Trump Shreds the Constitution By Bombing Iran
The attack on Iranian nuclear sites is a risky gamble. And it was completely by choice.

The world found out about another American war through social media. "We have completed our very successful attack on the three Nuclear sites in Iran, including Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan," President Donald Trump wrote on Truth Social at 7:50 PM on Saturday night. "NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE!" he added.
Trump told Fox News' Sean Hannity that he had B-2 stealth bombers drop bunker-buster bombs on the underground Fordo nuclear facility, and submarines launch Tomahawk missiles at additional nuclear facilities in Natanz and Esfahan. He gave Iranian leaders a heads-up before the attack, reassuring them that the U.S. was aiming for a one-off strike rather than a regime change war, according to CNN and CBS. Iranian media downplayed the results, claiming that at Fordo only two entrances were damaged.
This campaign is a war of choice. And the administration did not try to sell it to Congress—let alone the American people—before embarking on it. Instead, Trump watched Israel launch a first strike on Iran, then threatened to get involved, talking himself into a corner. Now he seems to be hoping that Iran simply won't respond to being attacked.
"Iran, the bully of the Middle East, now must make peace. If not, future attacks will be far greater, and a lot easier," Trump said at the White House. "Remember, there are many targets left," he added, threatening to "go after those targets with precision, speed, and skill."
There was peace eight days ago. Iran had been negotiating with the United States over the future of its nuclear program, with another round of talks scheduled for last Sunday. But on June 13, the Israeli military began bombing Iran. (One of its first targets was chief Iranian negotiator Ali Shamkhani.) Trump was reportedly impressed by the triumphant coverage on Fox News and rushed to take credit.
In the race to war, he did not bother to ask Congress for permission, and he limited the administration's briefings of congressional leaders to just one party. No wonder: Polling at the beginning of the Israel-Iran war showed that only 16 percent of Americans and 23 percent of Republicans wanted to be involved. Instead, Trump bet that he could make the war a fait accompli. Once the crisis starts, after all, it will be much harder to stop.
While House Majority Leader Mike Johnson (R–La.) praised Trump for his "clear reminder to our adversaries and allies that President Trump means what he says," House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D–N.Y.) said that "President Trump misled the country about his intentions, failed to seek congressional authorization for the use of military force and risks American entanglement in a potentially disastrous war in the Middle East."
Asked what legal authorization Trump had to start the war, the White House told RealClearPolitics that he simply "used the legal authority afforded to him as Commander in Chief." Rep. Thomas Massie (R–Ky.) concurred that the war "is not Constitutional."
Jeffries added that Trump "shoulders complete and total responsibility for any adverse consequences that flow from his unilateral military action." What those consequences will be is a huge open question. The immediate danger is that Iran will attack American troops or oil shipping in the Persian Gulf, both of which Iranian officials had previously threatened to do in response to a U.S. attack.
Iran can also rebuild its nuclear program. Iranian authorities have claimed that they already scattered equipment and material from Fordo before the U.S. attack—a prudent thing to do when expecting air raids. Unlike the facilities at Fordo, Natanz, and Esfahan, which were well-known to international inspectors, any new Iranian nuclear work would likely be secretive. The U.S. could find itself in a long-term game of whack-a-mole to stop a dispersed Iranian nuclear program.
And Israel has a say in whether the current war ends. Iranian officials have said that there are no grounds for negotiation while their country is being bombed. Israeli leaders have been constantly shifting the goalposts of their war effort: denuclearization of Iran, dismantlement of its conventional missile forces, or even full regime change. Trump has tied the fate of American troops to another country's forever war.
This outcome was something the Constitution was designed to prevent. "The Framers of the Constitution were clear that only Congress is empowered to commence offensive military hostilities," former Rep. Justin Amash (L–Mich.) wrote on X. "But there are people on the left and right who reject divided powers and fundamentally hate America. They're working deliberately and methodically to destroy it."
Editor's Note: As of February 29, 2024, commenting privileges on reason.com posts are limited to Reason Plus subscribers. Past commenters are grandfathered in for a temporary period. Subscribe here to preserve your ability to comment. Your Reason Plus subscription also gives you an ad-free version of reason.com, along with full access to the digital edition and archives of Reason magazine. We request that comments be civil and on-topic. We do not moderate or assume any responsibility for comments, which are owned by the readers who post them. Comments do not represent the views of reason.com or Reason Foundation. We reserve the right to delete any comment and ban commenters for any reason at any time. Comments may only be edited within 5 minutes of posting. Report abuses.
Please
to post comments
I wouldn't call it constitution-shredding. But it is highly disappointing.
The Fox News establishment shills love this shit. This is the best thing that's happened to them since November. All the more reason to hate it.
Constitution clearly gives only Congress the ability to declare war.
And when was the last time that the US declared war, before committing our military? 1917? Or maybe to be generous, 1941?
I’ve been told the constitution is a living document.
EVERY US president has been the Jews puppet.
Trump is simply an arrogant loudmouth lackey, too stupid to be sneaky.
Israel’s planned genocide in Gaza, their “final solution” for Palestinians, was the turning point of their plans where sneakiness became unnecessary.
Israel’s unprovoked attack on Iran, was their new strategy of open war against anyone standing in their way to achieving their wet dream of “Greater Israel”.
The ONLY way the US will “live down” their support of Israeli atrocities will be when Trump is swinging beside bibi on the gallows as a clear message to all traitors.
RM;dr
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of Nazi shit.
Fuckwit, what did Nazis ever do that jooos aren’t doing right now?
Invade Poland, invade France, invade Belgium, invade the Netherlands, invade Norway, invade Czechoslovakia, Anschluss Austria, invade Greece, invade Italy, invade Russia, invade the Balkans and the Baltics, unilaterally declare war on the United States; and since you're going to lie about the Jews we'll set them to the side and talk about the 2.9 million Poles killed of which 200,000 were deliberately massacred and placed in mass graves, and 37,000 were butchered at the Pawiak prison complex run by the Gestapo. And then there's scorched earth campaign during the invasion of the Soviet Union where every Russian village on the way to Stalingrad and Moscow was razed and millions slaughtered to make way for lebensraum, and then they executed 3,500,000 Russian POWs, and then there's the 1.5 million Gypsies they hunted and killed, ad nauseam...
Jews are committing a holocaust in Gaza and with their unprovoked attack on Iran have initiated WW3.
Apparently, you've forgotten Hamas, the Iranian-sponsored terrorist group that kidnapped, raped and murdered 1,400 Israeli AND Americans on 7 October, 2023.
Hamas was and is in Gaza with the full approval of the population there.
Israel has every right to search for their citizens by any means necessary, retaliate in kind and bulldoze any one's home that has harbored the Hamas terrorist pigs.
You would be able to see that if you would only pull your empty head of your gargantuan ass.
Netanyahu’s genocide in Gaza, which he inspired with his Amelek speech, was never about “defeating Hamas” . It was always about ethnically cleansing Palestinians from Gaza via his holocaust.
October 7 was an inside job, coordinated and paid for in advance by Netanyahu. There is no other way to explain the events that day.
If you think there is, do it by refuting the facts that demonstrate the inside job as presented in this video.
https://richardgage911.substack.com/p/new-documentary-on-gaza-october-7
Discreet military action like this does not constitute a declared war. Presidents of both parties have engaged in a similar use of military force. The president is the commander in chief. It is patently absurd to accuse him of "shredding the constitution." A refrain democrats repeat ad nauseam, especially when President Trump's policy is successful. Not only successful but necessary to end the nuclear ambitions of a terrorist state.
Trump said that Iran would be bombed if they enriched uranium in full compliance with the non proliferation treaty.
Israel committed an unprovoked attack on Iran. Iran responded as any nation would.
Trump then bombed Iran and is calling for their surrender.
If it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck. Trump joined Israel’s unprovoked attack on Iran and is, except for the formality, at war with Iran.
I wouldn't call it constitution-shredding. But it is highly disappointing
This. It is close to being a violation though, and I'm super disappointed that Trump decided to finally join Biden, Obama, Bushes 1 & 2, Clinton and Reagan.
He was supposed to be different.
Now how is he different than MollyGodiva/Tony, Shrike, Sarc and Jeff's heros.
The biggest issue is that he's going to end up losing a lot of the people that actually supported him over his non-interventionism. Something like this is an action that might be defensible over the long run for taking out Iran's nuclear capabilities, but that should have been left to a President who actually ran on such things.
The action itself as a Constitutional violation is moot because Presidents have been dodging Congress on that question since the end of World War II.
Don't be surprised to see a number of resignations from the admin in the coming weeks over this, and his approval ratings drop through the floor.
Yesterday Trump had a dozen positives over everyone else for me. Today he's got eleven.
I'm not happy about the bombing but I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
You don't even live in this country. Trump isn't even your president. You are fucking crazy.
Good thing you aren't allowed to have opinions about Putin, Xi, Milei, Macron, or Kim, right Sarckles, because you're not French, Russian, etc.
Right?
Fucking retarded human joke.
This is absolutely the case. Kind of SHOULD be the case, shouldn't it?
It annoys the hell out of me how often I have to defend Trump.
Problem is, the alternative was a "cackling lightweight" heading a coalition of people who literally hate me and are far worse at everything I might not like about Trump.
Dude ain't perfect, but all the screaming over auditing a government agency or deporting a tiny fraction of the tens of millions of illegal aliens encouraged by Biden's handlers, or having the national guard stand around a federal facility so people don't light it on fire during riots is fucking ridiculous. It's not arguing about football teams, it's about ideology and real world implications, which are subtle and complex.
I'm generally a non-interventionist, and definitely wonder about the necessity of this attack. But even if he's not 100% aligned with my personal views, Trump is more aligned than the alternative, whose staff may very well have done exactly the same thing given the same information.
What information? Did the Iranians also place an order for some suspicious aluminum tubes? Although I somewhat agree with your analysis, I'm not sure that a"Stupid but mostly harmless" cackler would not have been a better choice than a "stupid and reckless" narcissistic asshole. I guess time will tell.
So let them keep their facilities, give them another agreement that they will break 20 minutes after signing and in a couple years let the wipe Israel off the map?
It is known well enough the people in Iran want regime change. They don't want to be the bullies and terrorists the regime has made them out to be. Neither do the innocent people in Gaza or Syria or Yemen.
This was necessary. Like it or not. Like who is doing it or not. This was necessary. The world is a safer place now and further actions will continue to push the middle east toward peace.
“….stupid and reckless….”
So….. TACO is out this week?
Haha.
Something like this is an action that might be defensible over the long run for taking out Iran's nuclear capabilities
How effective will it be in the long run, really? He bombed the enrichment site that we know of, (we'll need to wait some days to learn if the strike was completely effective) but give them 5 years working on other sites and how much progress will they have made? They were working at the Fordow location in 2004 but nobody heard about it until 2009.
It won't matter because the regime will be out in time as the Iranian people make the change. It will happen and the middle east will move that much closer to peace.
Since the actual scientists doing the actual work were also targeted and killed, it seems like it might take them more than five years to get going again. It's probably not easy finding people with the right credentials who also happen to love the idea of a theocratic Iranian state.
If making a nuclear weapon was easy, every country with 'scientists' would already have them.
No one is going to resign and Trump will not lose any R support ( or gain D support). US domestic politics is a cult. Mike Johnson clearly chose to cheerlead rather than be the Speaker. There is no Constitution. No institutional check. And really nothing of interest that the US will do now. We are an autocracy but nothing changed either.
"...US domestic politics is a cult..."
JFucked is a steaming pile of lying, imbecilic lefty shit.
Fetterman applauded Trump. Maybe no True Democrat would support Trump…
The democrats of today are not true democrats, they are TDS addled Marxist extremists who hate America. Fetterman is one of the only true democrats remaining since the DNC moved to the extreme left, Sanders Warren crazy policies that are unconstitutional and harmed America pulling the strings and using Biden's auto pen.
Well. Gotta admit that TDS addled Marxist-Islamist extremists who hate America have implemented a more successful electoral strategy than limited govt libertarians have.
All they need is a few votes in order to capture Congress. Whereas limited govt libertarians need a lot of votes in order to remain completely irrelevant
It figures that the most reasonable Democrat at the moment also happens to be a recent stroke victim.
It's a bit disappointing, I'll grant.
I can see the other side, though: It DID have to be a surprise attack, and if Congress had even held a closed session to vote on approving it, multiple members would have given Iran advanced notice.
Agreed. Constitutional limitations on government doesn't work well with surprise attacks on enemies foreign or domestic. And we apparently long ago chose the latter.
Fox News is fake and gay.
JohnZ is a pile of Nazi shit.
This cannot possibly end well. For anyone.
Iran hardest hit.
If Trump needs something stronger than a document shredder he can borrow my tree shredder. 😉
I suppose my Commie Mulch Machine also could be used to dispose of the trees that came down during last week's storms.
Because a nuclear Iran was going to end well? JFC you people think there are perfect solutions to truly evil people.
Nations have the right to produce nuclear project for power generation and medical needs.
However I would suggest EVERY nation have nuclear weapons that would cause Washington to pause before attacking.
Fuck off and die, Nazi scum.
Nations should have no rights, period.
Agreed. Nor should groups
A nuclear Iran is now guaranteed. Iran has now been attacked by two nuclear powers in the last week. There is zero possibility they are going to let themselves be permanently vulnerable - no matter how arrogant and deluded the US and Israel want to be.
We destroyed their nuclear facilities. Will do so again.
Of course we did.
You are stunned. Now Iran is not guaranteed to have a nuke. UNtil now they were. They have broken all agreements in the past and can't be trusted.
The Iranian people, the Palestinians, the Lebanese, the Yemenese and the Syrians will all be freed from boots on their necks and the guns pointed at their heads by the Iranian regime and the Middle East and world will be safer and more peaceful because of this than ever before.
You just love hate and fear less hate in the world.
Okie dokie
Yeah, it's baffling that only now is Iran guaranteed a nuclear weapon when the status quo was ensuring they could build the nuclear weapons they are already working on.
For those who are going to cry that the War Powers Act of 1973 allows this, answer me this:
"(c) The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."
Which of those is true now?
Which were true when the US bombed Libya? Forced regime change there?
Or hit U.S. citizens with a drone strike? (Looking at you Barry).
Not relevant. Failure to hold a president accountable for Constitutional violations does not make them legal for future presidents.
Nobody declared war. It was a “mostly peaceful “ action.
Hey Tony, how come you didn't give a shit when Biden and Obama did it but now you're upset?
Except once again, we have selective condemnation. Every single president since at least Reagan has done something similar.
But when Trump does it, it's terrible shredding of the constitution.
"Not relevant. Failure to hold a president accountable for Constitutional violations does not make them legal for future presidents."
Precedents are precedents.
See how well that turned out for the people of Libya.
Gotta keep the City of London/ Rothchild chews in the money.
Eat shit and die, Nazi slime.
The clause quoted by MollyGodiva is from the "Purpose and policy" section. It states a policy, not an absolute dictate.
The consultation section follows, which reads:
"The President in every possible instance shall consult with Congress before introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and after every such introduction shall consult regularly with the Congress until United States Armed Forces are no longer engaged in hostilities or have been removed from such situations."
Note that the policy section mentions "attack" as a policy prerequisite whereas the consultation section allows for "imminent involvement in hostilities". In the first case one has been hit, in the latter case one has not (lest the meaning of "imminent" be rendered void.)
Further reading of ALL the sections of the act indicate the Act allows for preemptive strikes. Preemptive strikes are presumed to be necessary by the Act as any comprehensive reading would indicate. Indeed, absent the Act the president would be acting unconstitutionally. Here's the whole law:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/chapter-33
Reason or molly ever reads the lawa. They read the parts posted by corporate media.
You can’t just ignore part of a law that you don’t like.
That’s you Molly, you’re the one ignoring parts of laws you don’t like.
Clearly unconstitutional and illegal under the War Powers Act. No threat was imminent to the US. Trump could have asked Congress for some generic authorization to use force to strike suspected WMD sites as a legal cover, and there was time to do so. Or just let Israel do it.
Not clearly, by any means. He notified Congress (and the American people) within the required 48(?) hours. Indeed, he notified everyone in the world almost immediately upon the B-2S clearing Iranian airspace.
Moreover, it appears that Trump informed the relevant members of Congress shortly before the attack.
And how are you going to prove that it was illegal? Absent a court ruling to that effect, you have nothing but hot air. And you aren’t going to get it into court. No one has standing, and there is no feasible remedy. Except maybe impeachment, which is Congressional, and not Judicial. And that isn’t going to happen with a Republican Congress.
I do not recall you window lickers getting your panties in a bunch when Lord Obama bombed Libya into regime change.
So I ask you now...what difference, at this point, does it make?
He was also wrong, you fucking idiot.
And Dems impeached him!
Oh, wait….
Proving sarcasmic has you cocksuckers pegged that 'as long as the democrats are fucking stupid idiots, Trump can be a fucking stupid idiot".
I think Trump should have gotten Congressional leadership approval. And sequestered them so no leaks could occur.
But he didn't. Trump hasn't gotten congregational leadership approval for anything he's done. What the fuck are you smoking to think that's even remotely possible? It's crazytown from here out.
Within the past week several shallow ‘earthquakes’ were detected in Iran. These could have been confirmed as nuclear tests by experts.
https://x.com/lionsofzion_org/status/1936123710294872549?s=42
If so, then Trump is perfectly justified in bombing Iran. Or would you be ok with a few nukes going off in Israel? They have said that this is their goal; take them at their word.
Why? Motherfucker straight up told Zelensky he had no cards at the table after we convinced them to de nuclearize their country in 1990. Once North Korea had nukes, we left them alone. The fact is countries with nukes have "cards at the table". Like it or not, history proves we do not respect countries without nukes and don't even treat them with respect. MAD applies equally to Iran even though your war boner is blocking your view of reality.
None of the countries with Nukes have committed acts of terrorism nor have they threatened to wipe another country off the face of the earth. Not fucking one. So go cry in your pillow about how horrible an act it was to ensure peace and security in the Middle East and the world.
“MAD applies equally to Iran….”
Well, maybe not so much now…..
Haha.
"Proving sarcasmic has you cocksuckers pegged"
Well, Sarckles just gave away another one of his sock puppets.
It’s so sad.
He can't help it. Same issue Mike always had.
Sure sarc defended every democrat bad act. Sure his retarded strawman he defends on this sock is to hide that fact. Sure all of us have already stated we didnt want the US to engage Iran. Doesn't matter to sarc.
For some reason he thinks this one act justifies his past defense of democrats and voting for Kamala.
This one act doesn't even justify the tens of billions and boots in Ukraine. Let alone all the other terrible she sarc has defended on his original handle or as alberto.
It is quite sad to see the pathetic leftist believe it though.
Poor sarc. This retarded argument makes zero sense as we have come out already against attacking Iran. Unlike you defending every action of democrats.
I am still failing see why you common sense deficient people want to be skull fucked in our own lands one day by barbarians.
So you're afraid the Iranians are going to invade the US? Chickenshit coward
I'm not afraid. I just fail to see why angry little fellas such as yourself want to keep appeasing the death cult of Islam, as if you would be saved from the skull fucking if they did invade because you whimpered in protest against the bombings. They will skull fuck you first and laugh at how naive you were.
No, I just don't think religious zealots should have nuclear weapons, and do not understand why you think they should.
Peaceful nuclear application sites are not hidden hundreds of feet underground.
You are a scared little girl. 911 broke you morons.
JFree is just Sarc-Lite. Not even worth engaging.
Moving on...
Or when Bill Clinton bombed Bosnia into the ground.
Get reamed with a barb-wire-wrapped broomstick, shitbag.
How's that "at least no new wars" tagline working out for folks?
It’s not a war yet.
Trump escalated Afghanistan and Yemen…and then surrendered to the Taliban and Houthis. Unlike Bush Trump knows when to cut and run.
LOL, yeah it was Trump who surrendered.
At the top of the page: Trump and his three stooges.
Yea. Sevo and Jesse are probably buttfucking each other over Trump "bravely" duplicating the stupidity of the early 2000's. God help us all.
Well, this dude is all about facts, genuine debate, and respectful opinions.
You can tell by how he sticks carefully to the issues:
- probably buttfucking each other over Trump
- has you cocksuckers pegged
- He was also wrong, you fucking idiot.
What's the exact point of just spewing ad hominem? Nobody is going to care. It's not even subtle trolling, much less something interesting enough to read. Just (MUTE) and move on.
What, are you new here? Fuck off
Fuck off, Sarcasmic, and quit fucking sockpuppeting, you alcoholic retard.
Fuck off yourself, you cowardly canuck cocksucker. At least if your boy Trump manages to start WW3 I can take a little pleasure that you assholes will go down with us.
You're such a hypocritical piece of shit, you self-congratulating wife beating drunkard. You had zero problems with Obama and Biden bombing the shit out of places and you don't actually give a shit about this aside from the opportunities for trolling Jesse.
But you are Jesse, so whatever. Fuck off Jesse. Go read a chapter from your book on gAmE tHeOrY. The one that discusses preemptively attacking a country because you think they have nukes.
Poor sarc. Outting socks because he is fucking wasted.
I bet you cheered when Biden pardoned the Iranian arms dealers, eh? How about removing the sanctions and gave them billions which enabled Iran to fund their proxies and attack Israel on Oct 7th 2023? You're like Rachel Maddow with Maxine Waters mouth on top of wanting to fundamentally transform America into what the Founding Fathers designed it to never be.
You are still full of shit; this is Trump's worst move to date. Please fuck off and die, asshole.
“…..duplicating the stupidity of the early 2000s….”
Well, sure, as soon as he commits boots on the ground, scatters the Iranian army, sets up a green zone for the scattered army and militia groups to target, topples the regime creating a power vacuum, and, uh…….
Imma just stop right there. Other than all that it’s totally “duplicating” though. Good call, Al.
Haha. Idiot.
How's that "at least no new wars" tagline working out for folks?
Great until today.
Everything is great until the moment it isn't. The trick is recognizing when it will go that way. I'd say this outcome was always obvious. The cooler headed people around in the first time were able to talk him out of it. They're gone now.
I want to hope none of this will end up with dead Americans but I've resigned myself that it probably won't. It's morbidly validating to see more people begin to realize what everyone else could always see.
If the other team one the war would be Ukraine and Russia. So it's a wash no? So far 6 planes vs how many billions and people already dead? Biden was already putting boots on the ground in Ukraine. How was that working out for you?
You all act like things are in isolation and ignore the other bad facts at play. Argiment by prism in an imperfect world. Acting like children.
Yes I agree. It was about time someone like Trump came along and turned the US back toward the direction it was designed an on paths to peace and ending the swamp that funds forever wars and division among the people.
“I'd say this outcome was always obvious”
If it was, then it would have definitely happened under a Harris admin, what with her having the full support of the Neocon Regime Change faction. Fuck, it would have probably happened under an Oliver administration too because that sweet summer child would have been rolled harder than a joint in the Reason offices.
Still better than your ragging case of TDS, steaming pile of shit.
How’s that “TACO” tagline working out for folks?
Haha.
This attack will prevent China from moving on Taiwan and Russia from moving beyond Ukraine at least until 2029.
Iran will likely launch a few dozen scattered terror attacks, but ultimately stop when many more Iranian facilities are destroyed. A power struggle may overthrow the ayatollah.
No, this attack will align China, Russia and Iran against Trump, who is foolishly flopping his dick all over the world stage with congress being his useful idiots..
Really? They've been mostly aligned for a decade at least, and not-very tacit allies all throughout the Ukraine war.
Those countries have been doing business since the 80s, and in the case of Russia and China, since the Cold War started and Mao took over the latter. How fucking old are you that you don't realize this?
Forgot to switch to your Rachel maddow sock sarc.
You are so stupid that you don't understand those countries were already aligned. They had been the moment Biden won POTUS because of their help rigging the election and Biden did their bidding enabling the last 4 years of evil to push it's tentacles forward.
It's their propaganda, their lies, their funding of division and hate that has gullible folks like you buffaloed and kowtowing to their will.
You should try to open your eyes and leave your bubble to see what is happening and stop listening to opinions about what is from those who have been proven to lie to you over and over and over. Stop being a sucker for punishment and admit you were lied to and move on.
How is this going to do anything to China? China doesn't give a shit about Iran. All this has taught them is that Trump won't do anything unless he can follow someone else's lead (in this case, it's the Israelis).
I don't actually think China will move on Taiwan because its existence as a political foil is more useful than its service as a colony and taking it by force would cost more than China probably wants to pay. The only scenario that could happen is if the mainland ends up in political turmoil and wants to quell it by starting a foreign military distraction: see Russia and now the United States.
I agree that China isn't going to invade Taiwan or anything like that. Unless the US tries to force that issue because we prefer a war with China rather than an arms race with China.
But China is already smuggling stuff into Iran. You can see that with map images of where planes are flying.
My guess however is that they are waiting for the current hostilities to cease. Or ensuring that phase ends by again eliminating mineral exports to the US and declaring global peace. Their skill now is diplomacy -esp relative to the US. Imo they are going to pull Saudi/Gulf/Turkey away from the US and rapproche them re Iran
China has been supplying them with their latest gen weapons for a couple years now. They’re basically using friendly states to test their equipment.
No reason why Iran will respond to anything other than an attack by Israel. They know they can't beat the US so their only response to the US is to go for nuclear weapons. So that NEXT time, they will have nukes and the US will know that.
It's Israel that's in a box now. That will have to deal with the soon to be reality of a hostile and nuclear Iran. But who knows, maybe that will temper Israeli behavior in their region - esp since both Turkey and Saudi will respond to Iranian nukes with nukes of their own. Maybe that will be what forces peace to break out all over. If not, so what. Fuck em
We destroyed Iran's nuclear facilities. It was in the news.
Of course. Now everything is solved and we can move on to the new news cycle. Do you think it involves a new direction for Trump to get that elusive peace Nobel?
I'm pretty sure Iran is not Wile E Coyote
Those six B-2 bombers sure had one hell of a long non-stop flight to drop twelve GBU-57 bombs. (First claim was 5 to 6 dropped, but saw subsequent claim they dropped 12. Possibly in sequence on the same spot, like digging a deep hole.)
B2s can carry two GBU-57s each. So up to 12 is plausible from 6 B2s.
I'd be interested to know how they did it. I've seen a security camera video (I can't find it now for the life of me) of an Israeli strike where they put a penetrator in a previous shell hole in the middle of a street. Took out an underground complex without touching the buildings on either side, which is rather a remarkable level of precision. Doing that with something capable of 200 feet of earth penetration is kind of mind boggling.
Even converted paveways have high accuracy and those were originally dumb bombs. It's why Israel took out the ain't air infrastructure.
In Iraq the Airforce used an inert 2,000 lb. bomb with a JDAM kit to take out an antiaircraft gun that was next to a school.
This campaign is a war of choice.
Nonsense. Congress hasn't declared war. This is just a diplomatic sharing of ordinance.
Note: we never promised Iran that it would come to them intact. Nor did they make available a place for receipt, so we just had to airdrop it and hope that they got it.
The immediate danger is that Iran will attack American troops or oil shipping in the Persian Gulf, both of which Iranian officials had previously threatened to do in response to a U.S. attack.
Oh my gosh, please let them try that.
Oh my gosh, please let them try that.
Why are you wishing for American troops to be attacked? You're sick.
Because American troops are champing at the bit to scalp some hadjis. They're sitting there like, "Just give me a reason, you goatf**king SOBs." (They tend to use more profanity.)
Also, since the bombers are already nice and warm... Next up: Los Angeles. Target anyone waving a Mexican or palestinian flag.
Bring 'em down. America has had enough of the world's belligerent psychotic crybabies.
No thanks. Keep our guys out of it.
What are you, like fifteen? You have literally never been in the presence of someone who meant to do you real harm. I guarantee it. You're not a member of the armed forces and I would be shocked if you knew anyone who was.
Target anyone waving a Mexican or palestinian flag.
Wow. America First indeed. Slaughtering Americans sounds like such a class act. What are militaries for if not butchering their own people.
America has had enough of the world's belligerent psychotic crybabies.
The level of projection here is off the charts.
Seek help.
What a retarded assertion. Calling illegal immigrants America's own people. Thought you said you werent a Democrat. Guess how many illegals have been arrested as part of the rioters.
What idiocy.
Hey, long TDS. What do you expect?
You have literally never been in the presence of someone who meant to do you real harm. I guarantee it.
Eh, you'd be wrong on that one.
You're not a member of the armed forces
I never claimed to be.
and I would be shocked if you knew anyone who was.
Get the salts ready.
Wow. America First indeed.
That's a MAGA thing, right? You know I'm not MAGA, yes?
Slaughtering Americans sounds like such a class act.
Well, "Americans." Most of them literally aren't. 25% of California are illegals, and I doubt very highly that a large portion of the 75% are the ones down there causing havoc. The theater kids maybe, and I question the bonafides of the ones who claim to have been born here but then do stuff like that.
Seek help.
Sure. When's the next time your mom's free?
Fuck off and die, lying pile of TDS-addled slimy shit.
Obama went to war in Libya for six months without Congressional approval. A definite violation of the War Powers Act.
Trump's action is more like Reagan's bombing of Libya in 1986, which was not a violation of the WPA, which doesn't really matter because the WPA is still IMHO unconstitutional.
Also, we don't really care, Margaret. This has been a long time coming, and I don't even care if it leads to a legitimate impeachment (which it won't, because the 'crats screwed that up forever against Trump).
I just want to wake up every day from here until infinity to breaking news of Iran being bombed until there's nothing left to bomb. Actually, strike that (lol, pun!), I don't want it to be breaking news. I want it to be routine news. "There's traffic on the turnpike this morning so be careful with your commute, the United States and Israel have continued their daily carpet bombing of Iran ensuring no survivors, but let's turn now to this hilarious puppy that was filmed in a tutu doing Swan Lake." "Precious stuff Jen, precious stuff. Gotta love those puppies. Anyway, Alex will be with you after this quick break with the weather."
No. Once they capitulate and replace their leadership then we must desist.
Or kill the new leadership. And the leadership after that. And the leadership after that. Until nobody wants to be leader of Iran because they know it's an immediate death sentence.
The War Powers Act has been law for enough time for SCOTUS to have ruled it unconstitutional. Its constitutionality is a question worth debating, but as I see it there is no point claiming Trump's invocation of the WPA is itself unconstitutional.
The WPA was not written to repeat or rephrase what is already in the constitution - that would have been a redundant exercise. It actually is a pre-authorization to the president to engage in limited warfare subject to various conditions. Whether the WPA should exist as written is worthy of debate. Also worthy of debate is whether Trump's decision was wise or foolhardy. But if he meets the requirements of the WPA then his action itself appears "constitutional".
It doesn’t appear to actually require Congressional pre-authorization, but rather prompt Congressional notification, and limited to 60 days, without Congressional authorization - which Obama/Clinton ignored in Libya. But, then, the Clintons were heavily involved in Regime Change there, presumably for financial gain…
This strike was a classic example why Congressional pre-authorization is not feasible. Much of the Dem side of Congress appears very Muslim friendly, and especially to Islamic terrorists - invariably funded by Iran. Out of 535 members, it is almost certain that the operation would have been leaked, ultimately to the Iranians. That may have resulted in the shooting down of some of the B-2 bombers, and loss of American service members.
Instead over the next day or so, the President will dutifully inform Congress what he had ordered, and the results, in conformity with requirements of the WPA.
Trump informed those in Congress who he needed to inform about an hour before the strike.
Air strikes happened before the war in Iraq. Clinton bombed Iraq when UN inspectors were denied access to key sites. Trump took out their top general in his first term and no war broke out.
We’re never sending an invasion force to Iran unless they manage to take out one of our cities. We’ll just bomb their infrastructure from afar until they cry uncle. And Israel has displayed uncanny precision and deception in striking the heads of organizations. Iran might try to rebuild nukes, but if you’re an Iranian scientist involved in that, Israel will kill you. They’re much closer to Iran assume most of the risk.
Iran is a terrorist state and Obama and Biden gave them back their frozen assets. Which they used to fund their nuclear ambitions and terrorist activity like 10/7. That Trump likely felt morally obligated to assist an ally betrayed by the Democrat party tells you something.
Take a deep breath. Realize who is the cause of most of the world’s warfare and genocide. Think of the women, gays and Christians in Iran who are treated like cattle. No, it’s not our job to free them. But we’re not going to let their government be a threat to the outside world. If they seize the moment and overthrow their government, I wouldn’t lose sleep. If some rebels take over like Syria, they can cut a deal so we leave them alone.
Freed Israeli hostages told media that Hamas told them they were rooting for Kamala. Get it now?
My thoughts are that this was one and done. The Israelis could do everything else but this. The néed for taking out their deep nuclear site was obvious, and short of using nuclear weapons (and the Israelis are less likely to have specialized ones to do this than we do), the only way to do it is with our Bunker Buster penetrators, and currently, there is one, and only one, way to deliver them effectively - our B-2 bombers. B-52s could be fitted to do so, but apparently haven’t been yet. I expect that to change. Yes, maybe they could be shoved out of a cargo plane, but it might not work, or even if it did, there is likely a loss of accuracy, and, thus, of effectiveness. Everything else the Israelis can do themselves. Hence my one-and-done.
It was masterfully done. Diplomatically, we were saying that they were running out of time. Then a flight of B-2S were sent west towards Guam, and maybe Diego Garcia. They were being tracked, presumably by the transponders that were helpfully kept active. This was a feint, covering for the flight east across the Atlantic, that actually carried the Bunker Busters that were utilized.
We’re never sending an invasion force to Iran unless they manage to take out one of our cities.
Here's the thing, though--how many young men are going to sign up to go to war over NYC, LA, SF, Portland, Seattle, Chicago, Austin, Memphis, Atlanta, Philly, Boston, Baltimore, or Denver being bombed at this point? My guess is a lot of hinterland America will say, "Welp, sucks for them, I suppose."
Texans may not like Austin much, but Austin is still Texas and we would not accept someone bombing our capital city.
For years I wondered how the MAGA movement would end. Now I know. What else will go down with it and the thousands of former libertarians' principles that succumbed to MAGA?
Back in November, I congratulated the Trumpers on their victory and hoped for the best. We got the worst, way worse than I ever could have expected. We will be paying for this for decades.
So Trumpers, enjoy the next few weeks or months before the tariff economic repercussions kick in, the "mission accomplished" banner isn't yet sun faded and frayed and your "Art of the Deal" this-is-a-negotiating-tactic cognitive dissonance has yet to begin to clear; because this is a new low for a US president.
Yes, US presidents have launched attacks against foreign targets without approval before, but none that have been so fraught with risk as a huge target like Iran. None have has been so publicly discussed and rejected beforehand. Polls were universal, US citizens didn't want this. Trump acted unilaterally, but we'll all pay, through a protracted war or blowback, probably both, and God only knows what else.
Well, it very much depends, doesn’t it. A once and done surgical strike halfway around the world, that helped lead to the collapse of the Iranian Theocracy and their subsidization of terrorism in the Middle East will likely be celebrated by most of your Trumpers, and at least quietly by pro-Israeli Democrats. Even openly, in the case of Sen. Fetterman. But if it is the beginning of US (re)involvement with Iran, then maybe not. But I expect this to have been one-and-done, providing the Israelis with the one thing that they couldn’t do themselves - a delivery system for our Bunker Buster bombs.
There is no one and done, there is only now or later.
I mean I want you to be right, but I'm too old and have seen too much.
You may be old, but man, are you ever S-T-U-P-I-D!
You mean the tariff related inflation and the market crash that TDS Nation has been predicting for months now? Get a grip.
Yes. The one that is coming.
Ahh relax, it'll be fine. You don't have to worry about the Democrats ever coming to executive power ever again. They cooked their goose with Tapioca Joe and Kamalamadingdong.
What you should be concerned about are Congressional Republicans. They've got something to lose, and they won't hesitate to cozy up to the Marxist left to prevent losing it.
I disagree on the 1st point, but agree on the 2nd.
Republicans are only useful as an opposition party.
"For years I wondered how the MAGA movement would end. Now I know."
No, shitstain, baby and bathwater. Fuck off and die.
There is no baby.
Baby can't be seen by TDS-addled slimy piles of shit, TDS-addled slimy pile of shit.
Your wondering leads you down paths of fear and confusion.
Reality does not, history does not, actual facts of events do not back your fears and confusion.
If you believed in God you would be breathing a sigh of relief knowing the world is safer an that a true path to peace is forming in front of your eyes.
What are you basing these declarations on? I firmly disagree on all points.
Remember:
https://youtube.com/shorts/q9LyKrkoR0g?si=uzmu-JR1Kdeu7ZiF
57% Favor U.S. Military Action Against Iran’s Nukes
Thursday, May 29, 2025
SO even with 43% in the other camp (and they are not, this is to make a point) the public supports by over 14% and such plurality rarely exists nowadays.
yup
Democrats pass it ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Act_of_1941
Introduced in the House by Hatton W. Sumners [D]–TX)
Signed into law by President Franklin D. Roosevelt [D]
Passed by the 77th Congress [D] House & [D] Senate
but, but, but ... "It's all Trumps Fault!" /s
Republicans try to fix it ([R] Massie) but Democrats won't support it being fixed.
And that's why the left is nothing but a [WE] Identify-as gangsters RULE oriented that plays kindergarten point-the-finger at everyone else for exactly what they've done and are doing.
Clinton (D) Bombed Afghanistan and Sudan
Obama (D) bombed Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan
Biden (D) bombed Iraq and Syria
Bush (R) bombed Iraq
Trump (R) bombs Iran to stop a Nuclear production.
Besides, since the dogmatic psychopathic religious nuts took over Iran on day one, kidnapping our diplomats, sponsoring terrorism across the world - they had it coming. It is about time.
And who was killed when Trump bombed Iran?
Iran had been negotiating
Bullshit. There was no possibility that they would have given up their nuclear bomb program.
They still refuse.
"There was peace eight days ago." Give me a break. Iran proxies were regularly firing rockets into Israel in May and June. But more importantly, you ignore the war that was started by Iran and has persisted for 20 months. Just prior to 6/13 the IAEA declared Iran in non-compliance with the NPT and found they had sufficient 60% enriched uranium for several weapons. Then Iran announced new enrichment capacity in response. How long should we have played this game with this fascist regime?
Petti and other lefties at Reason should at least go to law school before they pontificate on US Constitutional law.
Constitutional lawyer and law Professor Jonathan Turley calls this absurd hypocrisy and outrage by left wing Democrats as "The Claude Rains School of Constitutional Law"
https://jonathanturley.org/2025/06/22/the-claude-rains-school-of-constitutional-law-democrats-denounce-iranian-attack-as-unconstitutional/#more-233013
Trump's poll ratings will continue increasing as at least 75% of Americans support eliminating Iran's nuclear weapons (as they know the theocratic Muslim Mullahs and military leaders of Iran want to wipe out Israel, Israelis and Americans.
This has been Trump's finest moment yet.
Perhaps. But 80% of Americans believe that Iran will hide their nukes inside the Easter Bunny BEFORE they surprise the US with a nuclear attack.
Cite?
Iran attempted to assassinate Trump by hiding nukes inside the Easter Bunny. You America hating traitors never believe the evidence even when there are photographs.
You have an active fantasy life and little else.
100% of those with sense recognize that JFucked is a lying pile of shit.
The War Powers Act has always been controversial and largely ineffectual. Presidents have long asserted the inherent powers to conduct such attacks under their Article II authority as the designated Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces. The WPA requires the President to inform Congress within 48 hours in a written notice to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate of the action.
The WPA further bars the use of armed forces in such a conflict for more than 60 days without congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF) or a declaration of war by the United States. There is a further 30-day withdrawal period.
Like everything other article this year, reason goes full chuck Schumer while ignoring precedence and the law.
Yeah the headline here is pure hyperbole. But this is not the MAGA I signed up for. Trump is promising a one and done. If that turns out to be the case I can let it slide. We shall see.
Honestly this should be grounds for impeachment, but it's not likely otherwise every president since WWII would have been impeached for the same infraction.
What grounds? Read the turley link above.
I hate to break it to you, Uomo, but the Democrats screwed impeachment up forever.
At this point, when Trump hears the word "impeachment" he's rightfully assuming he's getting a very nice fruit basket from Georgia.
Impeachment, no. Not re-electing him, sure.
Fact is the rules and guidelines were followed and whether it was prudent or not or political poison are different questions. Questions you retards refuse to contemplate.
It is cute so many retards on here think Congress could accomplish anything, after they have slowly ceded power to the Executive Branch for decades.
They did this because Congress doesn't WANT any responsibility...they want to bicker and grandstand and cry about what the other branches are doing, while they do absolutely nothing except prepare for the next election cycle. That was by their design.
Yup, sadly, yup.
This is the latest example of another dismal foreign policy failure. When will Washington put an end to its foreign interventionist policies that produce only bad results?
For one thing, the Trotskyite neo-cons who work for the benefit of Israel need to be stomped into the ground followed by the expulsion of every member of AIPAC and the removal of every member of congress who took orders from them. AIPAC needs to be given 24 hours to leave the country or face the consequences.
Finally, America needs to divorce itself from Israel, permanently. Also included is a divorce from NATO, the U.N. as well as an end to feeding the military industrial complex.
It may as well be too late as the American empire is headed for the same fate as every other empire in history , collapse and self destruction.
Trump has proven that he is nothing more than a stooge for Zionist Israel.
I am ashamed that I voted for him.
Time to burn my voter registration card....as I did with my draft card.
For one thing, the Trotskyite neo-cons who work for the benefit of Israel need to be stomped into the ground followed by the expulsion of every member of AIPAC and the removal of every member of congress who took orders from them.
You'll want Congressional approval before that kind of unilateral action, right?
Right?
J? You'll... you'll want Congress to have a say in that, right?
Right???
Time to burn my voter registration card....as I did with my draft card.
Do your social security card, birth certificate, passport, and drivers license too. Really commit to it, JF.
Wait, so it's OK to round up American citizen Jews for expulsion from America, but not illegal aliens from (pick a country, any country)? And what would the "consequences" be for non-compliance?
I'm confused.
Anti-semite harder next time, Bro.
Just the usual responses from the brainwashed crowd of semi literate morons who vomit up the usual pejoratives .
The truth is , America's relationship with that Talmudic Zionist state has brought nothing positive for America.
The JFk assassination, The U.S.S. Liberty, 9/11, Johnathon Pollard, the Epstein/MOSSAD child molesting scheme and now this.
Time for America to divorce itself from that nasty Zionist state.
There you go Boomer, that's better!
Lead the charge my friend. You be the first to divorce.
I expect to see a selfie from your new expat home in Tehran within 72 hours. Property values there are at an all time low!
Have you met Misek? You two would be such a cute couple. Maybe add Jfree and form a throuple.
Fuck off and die, Nazi shit.
Rule number one in war is 'good young men die'.
Rule number two in war is 'you can't change rule number one'.
Rule number three in war is 'you don't tell the enemy what you are going to do by letting a bunch of politicians babble about it for a few months'.
Homework for the day:
Document one "war" the US was in that had no military action take place before a congressional declaration of war.
"...Trump was reportedly impressed by the triumphant coverage on Fox News and rushed to take credit..."
A well understood "tell" of a TDS-addled slimy pile of shit. Fuck off and die, Petti.
Impeach Trump!
Always a TDS Addled Lying Pile of Shit - fuck off and die!
For what?
For being Trump; what else?
Worst move yet, and I fail to see the reason. Isreal seemed to have the matter well in hand.
If you paid any attention you would know they have everything under control except for the MOP's which were needed to take out Fordow. Now this is done an Israel can continue with the rest of the complete removal of weapons in Iran and the majority of the regime so the people can rise up, this time not being slaughtered and lead themselves.
I certainly hope you are correct.
Donald Rumsfeld about to pop out and tell us that found the WMDs.
Relief. Blessed Relief
"Screw your courage to the sticking place." -from William Shakespeare’s Macbeth
When President Trump relieved the world of the threat of a nuclear-armed Iran, he showed the courage that theretofore some had accused him of lacking. No more “TACO” Trump now. No more counterproductive blather with the “art of the deal”.
"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." -Mao Zedong (1893-1976)
Ironically, no one feels relief more than the Mohammedan Arabs. The Mohammedan Persians in Iran had demonstrated to the Arabs in Saudi Arabia, for example, that they would use violence against them, even without nuclear weapons. The Saudis caved. With nuclear weapons? Fulfillment of the mullah’s goal of restoration of a Persian empire in the Middle East.*
(Note: East of where? East of London.)
Also feeling relief are the Chinese in Taiwan. Communist China will think long and hard before attacking or blockading the island-nation. Chairman Xi will not be so quick to “wag the dog” via naked aggression against Taiwan in order to divert attention from his self-imposed domestic troubles.
https://www.nationonfire.com/?s=xi
Then, there is Israel. Brilliant planning. Exquisite execution. Consequence? Severe impairment of the Iranian war-machine, allowing these United States freedom to attack from the air with impunity. The seeds of Mr. Trump’s courage were planted in Israeli soil.
Our President has reëstablished global American authority. He has demonstrated that the American Empire still has life. He has blessed the world, including the Iranian people, with a sense of relief for which the world should feel gratitude. To the American political nay-sayers with their misguided, legalistic mumbo-jumbo this commentator replies, “A curse upon your house of cowardice.”
“They swallow camels while choking on gnats.” -Matthew 23:24
As for "shredding the Constitution", with a nuclear-armed Iran, there might have been no Constitution because there would have been no United States, Remember, these people have repeated to us many times that they are willing to die while we are unwilling to fight. Well, President Trump showed them that we are willing to fight, at least as long as no one gets hurt.
Screw “soft power “. We’re dropping the big ones.
Finally we have a Prez who is willing to respond to the German attack on Pearl Harbor with a stupid and futile gesture
Do better.
Trump is Israel's puppet. Elected with American votes. Voters who don't realize this. Willfully, in most cases. Dupes in all.
Ezra Macvie is a slimy pile of Nazi shit. Fuck off and die.
Wait, you saw your shadow so go back in your hole, live by your own rules before trying to make others. Be careful the sunlight might cause you to see the truth, you don't want that do you?
Better than Last Black President, who was Iran's puppet. (There's a reason ValJar never left his side.)
Or Joey Senility, who was ??????'s puppet. (Anyone ever going to investigate that?)
Where's Colin Powell when you need him? Or Judith Miller?
Ah, the old "don't do anything to upset our enemies" argument, otherwise known as the squawk of the American chicken.
Coming from idiots who thought they were clever with TACO.
Kind of funny that Iran has had their Parliament approve the closure of the Straits of Hormuz. Because that is required under their constitution. I guess some countries take their constitution seriously and others don't.
You heard it first here, folks. Iran is totes democratic and not a theocratic authoritarian regime.
Next, why don't you cite the 99.5% approval of Iranians for their constitution. Never before in world history has that level of approval been present for any Western democracy, and somehow Iran leads the way?
Go and pull the other one.
Weeeellll, in fairness, 'constitution' doesn't necessarily mean 'democratic'. He's probably just referring to the koran. But yea, it gets 99.5% approval because they murder you on the spot if you show even the slightest disagreement.
1. Yes. Most everything anyone does is by choice.
2. Congress won't do anything - thus Congress has given de-facto authorization. There is no requirement that the President get a vote or even directly talk to Congress. You don't have to *like* that, but that is the way it is.
3. Iran has been 'negotiating' for decades - all while building their capabilities. They've been enriching U far beyond what they need for a nuclear power program. Not even nuclear subs need more than MEU.
4. There's all this talk about how this is bad because it will get us into another war in the ME - but why? Trump understands the concept of 'punitive expedition', our goals were limited (and achieved), and there's literally no one that want to get involved in 'nation-building' . . . except the Democrats. They just want to rebuild nations as LGBT-primacy.
Wow, Petti and Democrats in general siding with terrorists, how cliche.