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Elon Musk

Another Divorce for Trump

Plus: A cynical take on Zohran Mamdani, Florida's drinking water threatened, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 6.6.2025 9:40 AM

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He needs space: Yesterday, President Donald Trump and his right-hand man, former head of the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) and occasionally-present CEO of X, Tesla, and SpaceX, Elon Musk, had a colossal blowup that played out in public, conducted primarily via X and Truth Social for all to see. At one point, Trump said he'd pull all the government subsidies and contracts Musk benefits from. At another, Musk accused Trump of being in the Epstein files, implying he was a frequent visitor to Pedo Island. The two, once thick as thieves, appear to be splitting up. Let me break it down for you.

It started with a Musk tweet over—oddly enough—government spending.

"I'm sorry, but I just can't stand it anymore. This massive, outrageous, pork-filled Congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination," Musk wrote on X on Tuesday. "Shame on those who voted for it: you know you did wrong. You know it."

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The "big, beautiful bill" is Trump's first major legislative accomplishment of the term, currently likely to pass in the Senate after making it through the House.

"I was disappointed to see the massive spending bill, frankly, which increases the budget deficit, not just decreases it, and undermines the work that the DOGE team is doing," Musk said in an interview with CBS last week. "I think a bill can be big or it can be beautiful, but I don't know if it can be both. My personal opinion."

Musk is right on that last point, but the idea that the bill—which the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates will add $2.4 trillion to the deficit over the next decade—"undermines the work that the DOGE team is doing" is laughable. If Musk had actually been committed to tackling government spending, he would have approached cutting entitlements. He was only ever working with the discretionary portion of the budget, (so roughly one quarter, max). What he actually accomplished with the discretionary budget was slapdash and overhyped, focused on staffing cuts—many of which were not especially meritocratic, and done via improper authority (and thus partially undone by the courts)—and, like, canceling software licenses (for which duplicates exist due to the classified vs. unclassified nature of government work). There's been some admirable digitization and calling attention to waste within the U.S. Agency for International Development (with accompanying cuts). Sen. Elizabeth Warren's (D–Mass.) Consumer Financial Protection Bureau has been essentially stopped in its tracks, with its fate presently unclear. But for Musk to act like his efforts amounted to anything much in the way of truly trimming the federal budget is silly.

That said, anyone talking fiscally conservative talk in public is a friend of mine indeed, so let's not worry too much about the veracity of Musk's claim: He has an issue with the spending bill, so now Trump has an issue with him. (Some Rep. Thomas Massie (R–Ky.) retweetage surely didn't help.)

Absolutely https://t.co/OPfIN3wdzw

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 4, 2025

"Elon and I had a great relationship, I don't know if we will anymore…And he hasn't said bad about me personally, but I'm sure that'll be next. But I'm very disappointed in Elon," said Trump yesterday when reporters asked him about the comments. "I've helped Elon a lot." Trump also recently declared he would've won Pennsylvania without Musk's support, which escalated matters.

"Without me, Trump would have lost the election, Dems would control the House and the Republicans would be 51-49 in the Senate," countered Musk on X. "Such ingratitude."

"Oh and some food for thought as they ponder this question: Trump has 3.5 years left as President, but I will be around for 40+ years," he added.

Then he started going really nuclear:

Time to drop the really big bomb:@realDonaldTrump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not been made public.

Have a nice day, DJT!

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 5, 2025

Trump's sort of flaccid response:

President Trump responds after Elon Musk accused him of being in the Epstein files. pic.twitter.com/TnogRC9R9X

— The Immortal (@TheImmortal007) June 5, 2025

"Elon's upset because we took the [electric vehicle] mandate and—you know, which was a lot of money for electric vehicles," Trump had theorized in his Oval Office comments earlier in the day. "He only developed a problem [with the bill] when he found out I would cut the EV mandate," Trump added, posting on Truth Social that Musk "went CRAZY" over the changes to the mandate. "Keep the EV/solar incentives cuts in the bill, also cut all the crazy spending increases in the Big Ugly Bill so that America doesn't go bankrupt!" Musk replied.

Then Musk went on a tear, directing followers to times when he discouraged lawmakers from passing EV tax credits and a Massie tweet about how "Some politicians get into politics to enrich themselves. Maybe that's why they can't imagine someone would judge a bill based on what's good for the country instead of what's good for their wallet." If that's not a subtweet at Trump, I don't know what is.

It's all really, really tedious. Looked at one way, the fracas was inevitable: Trump, with perhaps the notable exception of White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller, has had a very hard time keeping close advisers for years at a time. Staffing shakeups provided constant amusement (and useful dysfunction) during the first term; the second term's lieutenants appear to have been selected a bit more carefully. But Musk is mercurial, with enough wealth to retain independence, who has been consistently hawkish on reining in government spending, so it's not surprising that tensions would at some point emerge.

Looked at another way, Trump's main moderating force—perhaps one of the only people operating behind the scenes, telling him not to pursue reckless tariff policies—may now be out of the picture. We might stand to lose, especially if the spurned president goes on a vengeful tear and deliberately pursues policies that Musk dislikes.

But looked at a third way, we might all stand to gain. Musk raises political consciousness and reinvigorates a movement to cut government spending (while rightly cautioning that we're barreling toward recession if the tariffs really go into full effect). Trump cuts the government subsidies and contracts that Musk benefits from, and gets the government out of electric vehicle subsidization. The "big, beautiful bill" gets torpedoed and the deficit doesn't balloon quite so much. Massie sleeps more soundly at night, and gains a friend in Musk.

But you'd be forgiven for being angry that a republic built on Publius and Cato sparring over federalism and judicial review and checks and balances has descended into such petty bullshit.

It's a battle of egos, with some legitimate points thrown in there. Musk is not wrong that government spending is out of control, and that Trump and his lackeys in Congress have abandoned any pretense of fiscal conservatism. He's also possibly not wrong that Trump hobnobbed with evil men like Jeffrey Epstein, but it's not like anyone was voting for the president for his high morals in the first place, nor is it a shock that Trump and Epstein rubbed shoulders. But the thing that's perhaps most upsetting: I don't think this ends in self-reflection, and in Musk convincing Trump to embrace limited government. It also might unfortunately end in astronauts being trapped in space. (Again?)

In light of the President's statement about cancellation of my government contracts, @SpaceX will begin decommissioning its Dragon spacecraft immediately pic.twitter.com/NG9sijjkgW

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 5, 2025

It's fun to watch the drama if you're terminally online, but I think this take is possibly correct if you're thinking about the long game here:

Elon Musk and Trump duking it out on social media is entertaining but I strongly suspect Trump turning on the Federalist Society because conservative judges don't always rule in his favor is the more consequential betrayal.

— Kelsey Piper (@KelseyTuoc) June 5, 2025

And here's some cold water thrown on the Pedo Island claim:

One of the ways you can be sure that conspiracy theories are total bullshit is the fact that long term it would require bipartisan commitment to the cover up even in an age of increasingly vitriolic and totalizing partisan warfare

— Ben Dreyfuss (@bendreyfuss) June 5, 2025

I'm sure the two men, fueled by their respective diets of ketamine and diet coke, will continue to exchange barbs well into the weekend, probably at 2 a.m. when all normal adults are sleeping. And I'm sure I'll have more updates for you on Monday. But in the meantime, I can't help but wonder whether this drama actually serves the American taxpayer in any meaningful way. I hope so, but the era of fiscal prudence appears to be over. I'm not sure Musk can bring it back—at least not like this.


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  1. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    ...had a colossal blowup that played out in public, conducted primarily via X and Truth Social for all to see.

    No one likes it when his dads are fighting.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

      #Hashtag PrideMonth

    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

      Randy Marsh vs Bat Dad, says otherwise. And Elon is Randy.

      1. Randy Sax   8 months ago

        I thought this was America!

    3. Eeyore   8 months ago

      I don't think Epstein ever provided pengolins to his guests.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    I'm sorry, but I just can't stand it anymore. This massive, outrageous, pork-filled Congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination...

    I'm on Team Elon, I guess.

    1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

      From PJM:

      Elon Musk isn’t lashing out for selfish reasons—he’s raising red flags because he sees real problems in how parts of this bill were handled. Musk has built world-changing companies and if he’s sounding the alarm, it’s worth listening. He’s not trying to sabotage Trump’s agenda—he’s trying to make sure it lives up to its promise.

      At the same time, President Trump has every right to defend a bill that locks in his tax cuts, secures the border, ends the welfare racket for able-bodied freeloaders and dead people, and charts a bold course for America’s economic future. This is a once-in-a-generation opportunity to reshape the federal government in a way that works for the people, not the bureaucrats—and Trump and Musk are fighting tooth and nail to make it happen. Let’s not ruin that.

      So yes, there’s tension. But this isn’t the swamp vs. the people. This is two of the most influential figures in America—both committed to disrupting the status quo—pushing hard to get it right. Let’s hope the petty barbs get shelved and they work this out because the only people who benefit from this public feud are the Democrats.

      1. Don't look at me! (The bromance is over)   8 months ago

        But, he’s not a congressman, he shouldn’t say anything about it!

        1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

          Funny how Sarcasmic dropped that mantra like a hot potato this morning.

      2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

        Even Rand Paul is backtracking after admitting he isn't for a massive tax increase.

        “Basically the main thrust of it is, is the tax cuts … making them permanent. 110 percent for that. I supported it in 2017 and will support it again. I think it’s important to make the tax cuts permanent,”

        So the entire thesis Reason is trying to push is the hit to the deficit, which in totality is the tax cuts.

        What Paul says is his biggest issue is the raise of the debt ceiling. But this has never stopped spending, so kind of a powerless complaint.

        My biggest problem in this fight is the No votes acting like this is the only step that will ever be taken. They've already started recission bills finally, cuts that can't be done in reconciliation.

        It is more of the enemy of good is perfect.

        1. VinniUSMC   8 months ago

          Bingo bango.

          With tax cuts- have to reduce spending massively.
          Without tax cuts- still have to reduce spending massively.

          How about we pay more attention to reducing spending and stop stealing my money?

          1. Nelson   8 months ago

            Agreed. We absolutely have to balance the budget. The only way to do that is to reform entitlement programs (SS/Medicare/Medicaid) and stop increasing defense spending. That’s where almost 80% of the budget is.

        2. Nelson   8 months ago

          “ the hit to the deficit, which in totality is the tax cuts.”

          Not only is this incorrect about the deficit spending, it’s not even close to the only objection. The clause that would allow the President to ignore court decisions if they lose is one of the worst things in the bill. Plus the tax cuts for businesses and rich people will balloon the deficit while providing very little benefit to the middle class.

          1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

            Nelson continues to prove to be the dumbest among us.

            The cbo estimates to revenue for tax cuts expiring is what Nelson?

            What is the cbo estimate for hit to the deficit Nelson?

            How the fuck new you so retarded?

            Your objection is ignoring contempt of court? You mean like Garland and Obama did all the time? See Holder, clapper, etc.

            God you are fucking retarded.

            1. Nelson   8 months ago

              “ The cbo estimates to revenue for tax cuts expiring is what Nelson?”

              It will increase government revenue. It will also increase taxes on Americans. That’s how revenue works. It has to come from somewhere.

              “ Your objection is ignoring contempt of court? You mean like Garland and Obama did all the time? See Holder, clapper, etc.”

              You continue to think that whataboutism is a winning argument. Because you are intellectually deficient and have no principles.

      3. mad.casual   8 months ago

        Wait, so not every single issue can be artificially reduced a strict left vs. right dichotomy spectrum that only dimwits like sarcasmic can possibly transcend (correctly and even-handedly, just more in favor of Democrats and the Deep State)?

        Huh.

        1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

          "Elon arguing with Trump over a bill means we were right." - t. Sarcasmic

          1. mad.casual   8 months ago

            "Does Elon arguing with Trump represent the fracturing, implosion, imminent death, crumbling, desiccation, and scattering of ashes to the wind for the GOP (again)?" - MSM

    2. sarcasmic   8 months ago

      Democrats did it first. That makes it ok.

      1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

        The funny thing is, you actually believed that when the Democrats did it.

      2. Don't look at me! (The bromance is over)   8 months ago

        So boring.

      3. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

        Queue groundhog day post.

      4. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   8 months ago

        Poor sarcbot needs rebooted.

    3. Jerry B.   8 months ago

      Don’t know why, but I have the feeling that this whole thing is scripted.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

        I've heard that offered up, but I'm not sure the benefit other than to get Tesla back in the left's good graces.

        1. VinniUSMC   8 months ago

          Even if that's the only real benefit, that's a pretty significant one. Get the left to stop acting like terrorists at any mention of Telsa or Musk? Stop the Tesla stock price cliff?

          I agree that this seems like theater, the question is, how does Trump benefit? Or, maybe better, how do we benefit? Epstein files released? Better BBB?

          1. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

            I could believe it was all staged, except for when Elon posted that comment about Trump being in the Epstein files. Trump would never have agreed to that if it were scripted.

            1. DesigNate   8 months ago

              It supposedly got someone front the Biden admin to say “If Trump was on the list, we would have released that information.” Or something like that.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    "Without me, Trump would have lost the election, Dems would control the House and the Republicans would be 51-49 in the Senate," countered Musk on X. "Such ingratitude."

    Add in bizarre capitalization and Musk's tweets would be indistinguishable from Trump's.

    1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

      This is how double-alphas handle conflict. Not smoothly.

    2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

      Obviously Elon Musk is being haunted by a past reason commenter....

  4. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    ...@realDonaldTrump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not been made public.

    I thought we already knew he was in the files but I admire the energy here.

    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

      My favorite part about yesterday is now all of a sudden Musk isn't a Nazi and democrats want to release the files.

      1. VinniUSMC   8 months ago

        Lemmings are easily swayed.

      2. DeAnnP   8 months ago

        I have not seen any Dems suddenly change tune on Musk, but I am seeing a lot of MAGAts now trashing "drug-addled" Elon.

        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

          Because you're a partisan act blue employee with a script.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

            Personally, I think the whole thing is hilarious. Musk is absolutely right to complain about the BBB after all the work he did with DOGE to find cuts to make. But the fact that this whole thing caused him to go off on some aspie spazzout was funny as shit, especially because he's so deep in the government's defense orbit.

            1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

              The DOGE cuts were mostly for recission. A lot of the reform parts are in the reconciliation.

        2. A Thinking Mind   8 months ago

          I’m seeing people on Twitter calling for Elon to prove that the Trump assassination attempt was staged. With surprising levels of positive engagement. We live in interesting times.

    2. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

      "I thought we already knew he was in the files"

      The chances that Trump is in the FBIs Epstein files is 100% as even Trump admits.

      As far as we currently know, Trump and Epstein were on friendly terms until Epstein started creeping out on a Mar A Lago club members daughter and some of the employees and Trump had him turfed.
      This is sourced from news stories at the time.

      According to flight records, we know that Trump flew on the Lolita Express twice pre-break-up. Both times were at Epstein's invitation and both were because Trump Force One couldn't make it to New York to pick him up on time. The first time it was Trump and his children, the second time it was his wife and children.

      At no time did he fly the Lolita Express without his family.

      Elon knows all this, he actually talked about this on Rogan, which is what makes his statement strange.

      Either Elon knows there was something incriminating that wasn't released, which he didn't say, or he's just stating the obvious that was already known.

      Neither of their insults to each other are substantial. Maybe DLAM is right about this being Kayfabe to stop the attacks against Tesla, now that Musk has finished his job.

      1. DeAnnP   8 months ago

        Why would Trump need a ride on Jeffrey Epstein's plane? They lived down the street from each other in New York City. Trump admitted walking in on Miss USA contestants while naked in their dressing room. He spoke about Ivanka's lady bits, as well as Tiffany's BREASTS when she was a toddler. He's a pig.

        1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

          I wrote it write in the answer you illiterate fucking retard: “both were because Trump Force One couldn’t make it to New York to pick him up on time” due to weather. You could’ve googled it.

          He spoke about Ivanka’s lady bits,

          NICE LIE BY OMMISSION YOU PIECE OF SHIT. AND IT WAS HOWARD STERN. NOT TRUMP.

          Trump just bragged that his daughter was beautiful, just like every parent in the world thinks.

          In the 2004 interview with Stern, Trump tells the host that “My daughter is beautiful, Ivanka,” to which Stern interjects, “by the way, your daughter.” Trump finishes Stern’s sentence by repeating “she’s beautiful.”

          Stern asks Trump, “did your daughter get breast implants?” The real estate mogul replied that “no, she didn’t. I mean, I would know if she did. The answer is no. Why, did she look a little more stacked?”

          “She looks more voluptuous than ever,” Stern said.

          “No, she didn’t get them,” Trump said. “She’s actually always been very voluptuous.”

          “as well as Tiffany’s BREASTS when she was a toddler.”

          ANOTHER NICE LIE BY OMMISSION YOU PIECE OF SHIT.

          “She’s a very beautiful baby,” Trump replied. “She’s got Marla’s legs. We don’t know whether or not”—he put his hands to his chest to indicate breasts—”she’s got this part yet, but time will tell.”

          Fuck you’re such dishonest, propagandistic garbage, Shrike or whoever runs this retarded DeAnnP sockpuppet account.

  5. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

    Scenes from New York...

    Heard on an upstate NY (1000 Islands upstate, not Albany upstate) radio this morning that NYS may remove ALL stereotype mascots: Vikings, Fighting Irish, ... (and they listed some acceptable replacement mascots like "the beige sofas" and "the light breezes").

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

      "The empty beer cans" or "the used tampons"?

      1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   8 months ago

        Carburetor Eaters?

        1. Ajsloss   8 months ago

          Potholes

          1. Don't look at me! (The bromance is over)   8 months ago

            The moist towelettes.

            1. Eeyore   8 months ago

              The pee stains.

  6. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

    That's quite a claim by Trump on the Big Beautiful Bill. Other notable claims of legislation he endorsed:

    Cares Act - "biggest economic relief package"

    USMCA: "the largest, fairest, most balanced and modern trade agreement"

    You know I'm starting to think he doesn't read these bills or understand the details in them.

    1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

      Trump sees this as a bill that locks in his tax cuts, secures the border and ends the welfare racket.

      He knows what he put in it. The problem is all the pork that Johnson let the GOPe and the Democrats stick in afterwards.

      What's going on right now is the clash between the perfect versus the good.

      Ultimately Musk is right, but I understand why Trump was giving his support and it's not an unreasonable view.

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

        Oh so it's Johnson fault but Trump still says it great anyway. LMAO. More bullshit snake oil.

        1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

          I clearly explained why Trump thought it was good, and those are all good things, and you absolutely fucking know that most of the bullshit was larded in at the eleventh hour.

          1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

            SOGN hasn't been rational in a few months.

            Just stomps his feet demanding perfect to criticize the good to end up with the bad. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

            1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

              So the Cares Act was all Trump said it was? And I'm irrational, LMAO.

              1. VinniUSMC   8 months ago

                SaGN is on the sarcjeff diet.

                1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

                  So you think the Cares Act was great. Good to know, you and Jeff agree. Also how many jabs did you get? My count is zero but I don't fear bears in trunks like you and Jeff.

                  1. VinniUSMC   8 months ago

                    See? He just keeps beating dead horses and constructed strawmen.

                    I did get jabbed, unfortunately. 3 to be exact. I was enrolled at UMich at the time, dating a wonderful Korean lady, and visited Korea also during that time. I did get jabbed, because there was no upside for me to not do so. Otherwise, I'm very much on record here as being anti-covid vaxx, and making fun of Jeff's trunk bears. So, go home and play with your dead horse and strawman somewhere else.

                    The CARES act was bad. Trump could have vetoed it and it still would have passed. Then you would have complained that Trump hates Americans and wouldn't help them during an emergency (caused by Leftist shits like you). The only reason you hate CARES is because you hate Trump. Sarcjeff diet, like I said.

                    1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

                      "dating a wonderful Korean lady, and visited Korea also during that time."

                      I might have got jabbed for that myself.

                    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

                      Go stick another needle in your arm, seems the damage is already done. I didn't get jabbed for my job or while I was sitting on a federal grand jury as Biden tried to require for both.

                      And Nope, 1. Without his support who knows if it would pass. Congress is full of chicken shits. 2. If he vetoed it and it passed, I'd praise him, like I have on occasion like on DOGE. But he didn’t and there are no seconds acts in life.

                    3. VinniUSMC   8 months ago

                      Go stick another needle in your arm, seems the damage is already done.

                      Ok, sarcjeff.

                    4. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

                      I got the J&J only because I had already booked a trip to Mexico with my son and his family. This was before all of the vaccine bullshit was exposed and it was the only way to make the trip. Never got another jab of any kind.

          2. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

            "Know when to walk away"

            - Donald Trump, Art of the Deal.

            1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

              True, but there's no place to walk away to on this one. Congress was going to ram it through regardless, and the GOPe would stop hiding their knives behind their backs if he tried.

              1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

                So his only other option is praise it and attack Musk?

                SNAKE OIL SALESMAN

                1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

                  IT'S HIS FUCKING TAX CUT, BORDER SECURITY, AND WELFARE FIXES IN THAT BILL! WHAT HAPPENS IF THE GOPe TURFS THOSE IN REBELLION?
                  I already mentioned this. You're giving me Sarcasmic-tier responses. Do better.

                  1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

                    THEN HE SHOULD FIGHT THEM FROM BUTCHERING IT INSTEAD OF PRAISING IT AND FIGHTING PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST IT!

                    123% DEBT TO GDP SAYS WE CAN'T AFFORD IT!

                    1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

                      How do you know he didn't, and what part of eleventh hour additions do you not understand???

                      This shit was added at the very last minute for a reason, Sarc.

      2. DeAnnP   8 months ago

        "His" tax cuts are already locked in...he only made those for us pee-ons expire.

        1. VinniUSMC   8 months ago

          DeRP.

      3. Eeyore   8 months ago

        Your scale is off. It is a battle between bad and pure evil.

        Perfect is a pipe dream so far into the distance that nobody has ever seen it.

        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

          Retaining tax relief while cutting 8% through mandatory program reforms isn't bad. There is only so much that can be cut through reconciliation. It is a first step. Recission bills are already going through the House for more.

          Stop fighting actual cuts because they aren't enough. The end result of that fight is no cuts.

          1. Nelson   8 months ago

            DOGE cuts are basically nothing. The BBB puts an extra $2.4 trillion into the deficit, likely to be almost $5 trillion. Cheering for $10 billion (at most, probably closer to $2 billion) in “cuts” while cheering for a deficit spending bill that outdoes Biden is pure gaslighting ignorance.

            The only thing that matters is cutting the DEFICIT. If that grows, a couple billion dollars is meaningless. It’s less than a day’s-worth of the interest that all that new borrowing will cost.

            1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

              You remain so fucking ignorant.

              Just above you claim it wasn’t due to CBO using the baseline of the 2017 tax cuts expiring.

              Yet here you are using that baseline to state extending the 2017 cuts add to the deficit.

              Youre a lying leftist moron Nelson. You literally did what I accused retards of doing above and you claimed it was incorrect.

              God damn man.

              Just lie after leftist lie for you.

              Youre literally demanding a 3.8T tax increase because you’re too stupid to understand what the fuck you’re talking about lol.

              I guess you're now foe the 2.3T in tariffs now? If that is your big concern. Would offset the deficits completely dumdum. Let's see you be intellectually inconsistent again.

              1. Nelson   8 months ago

                The tax cuts expiring will raise revenues (which lowers the deficit). And the fact that you think there could ever be $2.3 trillion in tariffs shows exactly how ignorant you are.

                The best thing that could happen would be to shift the tax cuts from the wealthy and corporations (which never helps the economy) to the middle class (which does). Supply-side economics is a loser and always has been. It has never delivered anything its proponents say it will. It’s been almost 50 years of failure for supply-side. But doubling down on failure is very on-brand for you.

            2. Eeyore   8 months ago

              Even if DODG cuts 0 dollars their efforts at exposing how government funding really works are worth the effort.

              Congress is pure negligence. Has been for years. Someone like Elon calling them out and publicizing the reality of what they are doing might help a little bit.

              1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

                Doge cuts largely have to go through recission or regulsor order. They can't be cut in reconciliation.

  7. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    Xi [Jinping] appears to be betting that a reset in ties will lead to tangible wins in the weeks and months ahead...

    Xi is going to be a cheap Chinese Elon knockoff.

    1. VinniUSMC   8 months ago

      China already has an Elon knock-off. Maybe that's why Xi banned him from TikTok, to be an even shittier knock-off. China is good at that, race to the knock-offs bottom.

  8. Don't look at me! (The bromance is over)   8 months ago

    The importation of Fusarium graminearum to the US does not equate to a new introduction of the organism to the US and does not, by itself, pose a new threat to US agriculture or US security.

    Trust the experts.

    1. Ajsloss   8 months ago

      I blame the raccoon dogs.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

        What about frozen seafood?

        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

          Eaten by all the penguins.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

            Why is there a penguin on the telly?

      2. Eeyore   8 months ago

        I blame Mickey Mouse.

  9. Don't look at me! (The bromance is over)   8 months ago

    All teslas will now come with a “Resist!” bumper sticker as standard equipment.

    1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

      Elon Musk really did speed run through the Republican Party experience.
      1. Euphoric victory
      2. Grand sweeping plans
      3. Complete governing incompetence
      4. Political disillusionment

      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

        Whats strange is Elon has even called out the GOPe but seemed shock they can cause problems.

        1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

          I think he's shocked that Trump rolled over.

          Trump talks like he's a loose cannon, but ultimately he acquiesced to the GOP establishment. He did this too much in his first term.

          The number one thing that needs to be done by GOP Local Party Branches is to start primarying all the reps and senators who are fucking around.

          1. VinniUSMC   8 months ago

            At the end of the day, no matter what Trump says or does, Congress is the only people who can pass legislation.

          2. damikesc   8 months ago

            Good news is that Lindsay Graham has an actual living primary opponent this time.

          3. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

            8% in cuts while extending the baseline isn't exactly a roll over.

            Youre not going to undo 100 years of one way ratcheting on spending in the first bill limited by scope of what is allowed.

            1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

              "8% in cuts while extending the baseline isn’t exactly a roll over."

              This needs to be yelled here louder and more frequently.

      2. Eeyore   8 months ago

        He does work harder and faster then most of us do.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

      Does this mean all the social justice warriors will apologize for vandalizing Cybertrucks?

      1. VinniUSMC   8 months ago

        You assume they have the ability to feel remorse? Or admit wrong-doing?

  10. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

    Laura Loomer theory, except if Biden would have to out himself and the rest of Democrats on the list as well. Easier to just make some shit up and get CNN to put on air for 24 hours for months on end and have the FBI "investigate".

    1. DeAnnP   8 months ago

      People seem to forget who was in charge when Epstein was in custody. If you think Trump, Barr, and others did not make sure that any evidence of Trump/Epstein was destroyed in his first term, you are naive.

      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

        Youre not doing very well are you Rachel.

        1. DeAnnP   8 months ago

          Who is Rachel?

          1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

            Stop playing coy ms Maddow.

      2. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

        Haha, like Trump had any control of a blob organ like Barr and the rest of the leviathan during his first term.

        1. DeAnnP   8 months ago

          Why would Barr be against helping Trump destroy Epstein files? His daddy was in deep with Jeffrey, gave him a job teaching at a school, around YOUNG GIRLS. Not to mention Acosta and Bondi's involvement in FLA.

          1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

            Because Barr is in those files and the CIA and FBI wouldn't let him even if he were so inclined.

            Stop pretending like they could just walk up to a filing cabinet and burn the files in the restroom toilets. Being retarded on purpose isn't how you win an argument.

            1. DeAnnP   8 months ago

              I'm the one being retarded? You don't think there are scumbags in the CIA or FBI who are also on that list? When Epstein "hung himself" it was under Trump's DOJ. Trump's FBI. Trump's CIA. Why are Patel, Bondi and Bongino dragging their feet? Because they KNOW there are no files to show because they know they were destroyed under Trump's first term.

              1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

                I do love you blaming Trump for a dem controlled deep state that publicly and actively screamed resist his first term.

                Makes you look totally sane Rachel.

                1. DeAnnP   8 months ago

                  You may need a refresher on the Epstein timeline and who was in charge of the federal government at the time.
                  https://apnews.com/article/epstein-maxwell-timeline-b9f15710fabb72e8581c71e94acf513e

                  Ah yes, the "deep state". Never mind that Trump and Epstein were partying buddies for years, and ignore the Katie Johnson claim. Trump and Barr were partners in crime on destroying evidence and murdering Epstein because they love to fuck young girls.

                  1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

                    You know enough already to know that Trump and Epstein had a famous bust up years before and what it was about, you discount politruk.

                    You think that this place is like Huffpo or something where you can just make shit up and lie by omission and nobody will catch you out, right?

                  2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

                    I dont need a refresher in shit. Youre the fucking ignorant person who complains about an unelected deep state but has the audacity to blame the president. Even as courts actively demand he doesn't touch the deep state.

                    Retard Rachel.

              2. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

                "You don’t think there are scumbags in the CIA or FBI who are also on that list?"

                You actually think that "the list" is a bunch of names scratched out on a piece of paper instead of reems of documents, video, audio, deposited in offices across the FBI, CIA, Homeland Security and the Justice Department, don't you?

                Fucking Retard.

      3. VinniUSMC   8 months ago

        The intelligence community surely let that happen. Right. DeRP.

      4. Moonrocks   8 months ago

        If all the evidence was destroyed, then how is Trump still in the Epstein files?

        1. DeAnnP   8 months ago

          Who said there are still Epstein files? Musk?

  11. Randy Sax   8 months ago

    Rising rates of antibiotic resistance means UTIs [urinary tract infections] are becoming an increasingly difficult infection to treat

    Chick Problem.

    1. VinniUSMC   8 months ago

      Much more common for women, because it's much harder for men to get. Men tend to get worse strains of infection though because of that. Either way, that shit sucks.

    2. mad.casual   8 months ago

      "Women and children have always been the primary victims of antibiotic resistant infections."

    3. Eeyore   8 months ago

      Butt stuff increases the risk as well.

      Don't forget kidney infections can result from the same pathogens and route of infection. It can become life threatening fairly quickly.

  12. Mickey Rat   8 months ago

    "If Musk had actually been committed to tackling government spending, he would have approached cutting entitlements."

    On what possible authority could DOGE have been enabled to cut entitlements? It was challenged enough on the limited authority it was given. It is a weird criticism that seems dependent on Trump actually being the dictator he is denigrated for wanting to be.

    1. Don't look at me! (The bromance is over)   8 months ago

      "If Musk had actually been committed to tackling government spending, he would have approached cutting entitlements."

      Holy crap. Like that would have worked.

      1. Jerry B.   8 months ago

        Would have been great for the Democrats. What a wedge issue.

        1. Nelson   8 months ago

          So you want to balance the budget, but aren’t willing to cut entitlements? Good luck with that.

    2. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

      It is a weird criticism that seems dependent on Trump actually being the dictator he is denigrated for wanting to be.

      Reason narratives. KMW probably emailed them to Liz this morning.

    3. VinniUSMC   8 months ago

      Exactly.

      "Make bigger cuts! Why don't you cut entitlements! No, you can't cut that! See, Trump wants to take away your welfare! Vote Blue for MASSIVE SPENDING INCREASES TO ENTITLEMENTS!" -jeffsarc

    4. Wizzle Bizzle   8 months ago

      Agreed. What an astronomically stupid take. Elon is the first 'Republican' to try to actually inact spending cuts since Gingrich. But he didn't singlehandedly solve our debt problem in 100 days, so he was turncoat faker. Go fuck yourself, Liz.

  13. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

    Stop repeating this nonsense.

    Trump cuts the government subsidies and contracts that Musk benefits from

    Musk has been trying for several years to cancel the EV tax credits. His motives aren't pure; Tesla reached its quota and their cars don't qualify any more. But Trump is lying when he says that is why Musk is against the BBB.
    There are no other government subsidies in Musk's businesses. SpaceX earns its money the old fashioned way. NASA buys their services because they are cheaper and better than the competition. Boeing's capsule stranded astronauts at the space station, remember? Well, they weren't really stranded, but NASA had to rely on SpaceX to bring them back because Boeing's capsule was too risky. although it did turn out to work when it came back empty.

    Whatever one thinks about Tesla cars, they made a profit on their own without government subsidies.

    As for Trump and pedo island, Trump doesn't have a reputation for the young ones that I know of, unlike Clinton and his interns, or so many Hollywood celebrities, or even Biden sniffing girls' hair and fondling their shoulders. It's no defense to say Biden's DoJ would have prosecuted Trump if he were on the list, because that would open up the whole of the list and all the Democratic names. But I can't imagine Trump being a pedo like Clinton.

    One of the ways you can be sure that conspiracy theories are total bullshit is the fact that long term it would require bipartisan commitment to the cover up even in an age of increasingly vitriolic and totalizing partisan warfare

    As for this dustup itself, I'll take Musk over Trump any day. Musk earned his fortune from the ground up, saved Twitter, and has done far more to advance society and the economy than Trump ever will. Trump certainly shook up politics, he's at least paused DEI and wokism in government, but he's throwing away all his good political capital on his idiotic incoherent tariffs. His deportations are slapdash, distracting, and a drop in the bucket: he's bragging about having arrested / deported 10,000 illegal immigrants in four months. That's 30,000 a year, and there are 10 million of them. He's deporting illegals who have been living here peacefully for 10 or 20 years, with families, when he promised he'd focus on the criminals. He has stopped further illegal immigration, but he's given the Democrats too many own goals, and 30,000 a year? That's peanuts.

    1. Don't look at me! (The bromance is over)   8 months ago

      … and 30,000 a year? That's peanuts.

      What was that stuff about perfect and good?

      1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

        Something wrong about complaining when something could be better? It also doesn't come close to matching his campaigning and all the bragging by his fanbois.

        "I'll deport millions of illegal immigrants!"

        "Yay!"

        Deports 30,000.

        "Good enough, stop complaining."

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

          Gee, in office 4 months, fighting the swamp dwellers the while and TDS-addled slimy piles of shit are displeased.
          Fuck off and die, asshole.

          1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

            Yup, there it is. "Stop complaining. It's good enough."

            1. VinniUSMC   8 months ago

              Stupid is as Stupid does.

          2. The Average Dude (Who's Smarter Than You)   8 months ago

            Whoa boy... just the slightest bit of Trump criticism really brings out the best in you. Is DJT your REAL daddy, not just metaphorical?

            1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

              Lol. Just more retarded by the day. Think you chose the wrong adjective in hour handle.

              Your act blue employer is going to be upset you're being too obvious.

        2. VinniUSMC   8 months ago

          Stupid.

          Deports 30,000.

          "Hell yeah, good start, keep it up!"

          Stupid: Nah, better stop trying.

          1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

            Liar. Show me where I said he should stop trying. You can't. I didn't.

            1. VinniUSMC   8 months ago

              Why don't you start by showing me one person who said 30,000 is good enough? You can't. Because you made it up.

              "Not good enough, so better not try" -Stupid

          2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

            Eeyore libertarians. Why bother.

      2. mad.casual   8 months ago

        Yeah, the statement "He's deporting illegals who have been living here peacefully for 10 or 20 years, with families, when he promised he'd focus on the criminals." feels like a Reason-writer "Who cares if they're here illegally and consuming education and welfare resources and voting for more? As long as they aren't physically hurting anyone *right now*, what does it matter? They're probably all wealthy taco truck owners anyway." mask slip.

        It's 30,000 people, the "families" he's citing are a couple of handful of cases sifted through by the media and even then, frequently, they tried to get back into the country after attending a terrorists' funeral or even if you assume them to be completely innocent, were in a car load of fresh-across-the-border illegal immigrants. It's like the defense of the 60 Min. piece edited to make Kammy look good. Even if you love the media and free speech, that at least deserves a "to be sure" not "THIS NEEDS MOAR DEFENSE!"

        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

          A new report out that 25% of school children are children of illegals. That's roughly 30-40B a year.

    2. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

      There are no other government subsidies in Musk's businesses. SpaceX earns its money the old fashioned way. NASA buys their services because they are cheaper and better than the competition.

      The number of retards who think that buying rides on the safest, cheapest space access in history is a subsidy is remarkable.

      The number of retards who think direct-to-consumer EV tax credits are a subsidy paid to Tesla is also remarkable.

      1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

        Eh, the EV subsidy does increase auto sales, which did indirectly subsidize Tesla. But they all got it, not just Tesla, and now it's got various strings attached and I've lost track of it. The main point is, Musk did not turn against the BBB because of it.

        1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

          "But they all got it, not just Tesla"

          Exactly. If it had just been Tesla, then the critics could have legitimately called it a subsidy.

          1. mad.casual   8 months ago

            If it had just been Tesla, then the critics could have legitimately called it a subsidy.

            ... to Tesla.

            It is and was a no-shit subsidy. Not a tax credit. Not some sort of convoluted fleet wide, quota-based discount. The people giving it called it a subsidy and the people using it to buy cars regarded it as a subsidy. The explicit intent was to push down the purchase price to drive market adoption.

            Sorry, but I sat between and heard too much "Oil companies (who's products are taxed to the consumer) get 'subsidies' for writing down the costs of the assets they've depleted." and "EVs are just really popular." to let this slip.

            1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

              The fuck??

              At best it was a subsidy to consumers. Lefties buying their rides on taxpayer dollars. If it was "to Tesla" then they would have had to buy Tesla's. They didn't.

    3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

      "Whatever one thinks about Tesla cars, they made a profit on their own without government subsidies."

      You.
      Are.
      Full.
      Of.
      Shit:
      "...Eleven states require automakers sell a certain percentage of zero-emissions vehicles by 2025. If they can’t, the automakers have to buy regulatory credits from another automaker that meets those requirements – such as Tesla, which exclusively sells electric cars.
      It’s a lucrative business for Tesla – bringing in $3.3 billion over the course of the last five years, nearly half of that in 2020 alone. The $1.6 billion in regulatory credits it received last year far outweighed Tesla’s net income of $721 million – meaning Tesla would have otherwise posted a net loss in 2020..."
      https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/31/investing/tesla-profitability/index.html

      1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

        That doesn't change the fact that Tesla outsold other EV companies that benefited from the same mandates and the same tax credit.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

          Mobile goal posts, TDS-addled shit-pile.

          1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

            Which goal posts moved? Would that apply to promising to deport millions and only deporting 30,000? Or is that "good enough"?

            TDS is bipartisan. TDS shit stinks up all shoes which step in it.

            1. VinniUSMC   8 months ago

              Almost 5 months in. Nothing else can happen. All done.

              Stupid.

              Please, please, find 1 fucking quote from anyone saying "30,000? Good enough." I dare you.

              1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

                All you clowns complaining when I mention it. All you clowns bragging about what a good job he's doing, when it's not even close to what he promised and campaigned on.

                If you need more than that, then you have double standards by expecting me to accept just 30,000.

                1. VinniUSMC   8 months ago

                  So, just a liar, making shit up. Got it.

            2. Wizzle Bizzle   8 months ago

              It sure does. You've got the Reason staff, who are almost universal in their hatred for Trump and can't acknowledge that most of his policies are considerably more libertarian than those of any other president in the 21st century (low bar). And you've got Reason commenters, half of whom defend anything Trump touches as the true intention of the founders while they masturbate into a My Pillow.

              Too bad there isn't a third party that believes in individual liberty and small government. There was one once, but it died with Covid in 2021. Right around the time it refused to mobilize against tyrannical government lockdowns in favor of safetyism.

              1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

                Ahh yes. Change by the 1%

                I find it weird your takes always end up with zero changes in the right direction. Just complaining perfect isn't happening. So why bother. Almost like in reality your views produce the status quo. So just be honest and say you want that.

                1. Wizzle Bizzle   8 months ago

                  Ah yes, Jesse the grand diviner has figured it out once again. I am secretly for the status quo, which is why I want entitlements actually reformed (which you apparently don't) and the budget actually slashed (which you apparently don't).

                  Democrats are driving us into a ditch filled with acid-lava at 100 mph. Republicans think that's crazy when they don't have the wheel, but when they do have the wheel they decide to drive into the same ditch at only 87 mph. That's not perfect being the enemy of the good. I want someone to stop the truck, if not back it up. That's what Trump promised for 5 minutes, and what the actual fiscal conservatives celebrated about DOGE.

                  Our spending is an existential threat to the nation. Period. So I don't care if we don't kiss the illegals' booboos as we kick them the fuck out of our country and off our teat. And I don't really care if Trump follows some district judge's protocols when he slashes departments a lays off government parasites. But I do care if we undo all of it by passing yet another Republican spending blowout. We don't have any more wiggle room. The can has been kicked too long, and it's now or never.

        2. mad.casual   8 months ago

          Outsold in a market buoyed by EV subsidies, which he originally supported. They achieved the aim of the government picking winners. This is the same thing as "Because GM and Chrysler (mostly) paid back their loans and are still afloat, bailing them out on the taxpayer's dime was the right thing to do."

          Anyone truly recognizing and opposed to "Stupid Government Tricks" rather than advertising their ability to fall for even "Stupid Government Tricks" would recognize this. It's the same regulatory capture/"pull up your own and kick down the other guys' ladders" that put the FAAMNGS in charge of the censorship regime.

          Doesn't make Elon an Enemy of The State by any means, but the idea that he's any more of a market purist than a real estate mogul who disagrees with him on tactics is illusion at best.

          1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

            The fact that he made money in the beginning, with the same tax credits and mandates as every other EV manufacturer, including the established auto manufacturers, meant that he hit the tax credit cutoff sooner. Sure he's got his own self-interest in wanting the tax credit eliminated, now. But that doesn't change the fact that Trump is lying when he says Musk turned against the BBB for not keeping the tax credit.

            1. mad.casual   8 months ago

              But that doesn't change the fact that Trump is lying when he says Musk turned against the BBB for not keeping the tax credit.

              And Trump isn't in the Epstein Files either.

              If you were really against government thumbing the scales in any principled or moral way, the distinction between putting their thumb on in the first place and taking it off after they felt the manipulation was successful would be moot. Much less who they put it on or took it off for and why.

    4. DesigNate   8 months ago

      “He’s deporting illegals who have been living here peacefully for 10 or 20 years, with families, when he promised he’d focus on the criminals. He has stopped further illegal immigration, but he’s given the Democrats too many own goals, and 30,000 a year? That’s peanuts.”

      Liz posted just like two days ago that Stephen Miller was pissed off that we’re focusing on criminals and not the guys at day labor centers and Home Depot.

      This is a stupid fucking take.

      Could the numbers be better? Yeah, obviously. Could they be better considering all the bullshit “judgements” and injunctions, etc? Probably not.

  14. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

    Well, for those who want politics to entertain like pro sports, you now get your wish. The only question is are we watching NBA or WWE?

    1. Mickey Rat   8 months ago

      NHL. What entertainment value is there in the emasculated players of the NBA?

      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

        LeBron almost injured himself flopping from your criticism. How dare you.

        1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

          The gust of wind created from Lebron flopping sent flying at least 5 soccer players who are rolling on the ground holding their knees now! Thanks a lot!

    2. Ajsloss   8 months ago

      As long as it isn't wNBA.

      1. Wizzle Bizzle   8 months ago

        If Trump were an actual dictator, I would love to see him force an NBA allstar to identify as a bulldyke for a week so the definitely-a-woman could sign a WNBA contract, drop 150 points on the "best" team in the "league", and then retire as their all-time scoring champion.

    3. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

      Trump has basically been cutting WWE style promos his entire career, and shit, the random meetings he does in the oval with musk or other celebs resemble the scenes Vince McMahon would concoct at times.

  15. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

    After four years of phony jobs and economic data, where every report was wildly inaccurate and had to be revised down later, CNN starts worrying about government data accuracy.

    DOGE layoffs may have compromised the accuracy of government data

    Sarcasmic somehow doesn't think the Democrats did it first, though.

  16. Ajsloss   8 months ago

    Wait, so Elon is good again?

    1. Don't look at me! (The bromance is over)   8 months ago

      It’s all a scripted act.
      These guys aren’t billionaires because they are stupid.

      1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

        Kayfabe?

        Something does seem a little fucky about all this.

        1. Don't look at me! (The bromance is over)   8 months ago

          It’s either that or trump outsmarted musk.
          Which do you think is more likely?

      2. mad.casual   8 months ago

        Yeah. The whole thing screams kayfabe to me. And I'm pretty sure all the people who sold their Teslas because of "What Elon has done to the brand." have no idea what the word kayfabe means. For some reason, the idea of a car company CEO promising them free charges for life and telling them how the car is going to save them money doesn't resonant as a car salesman promising them free oil changes for life and how it's going to save them money in the long run (or a real estate CEO promising that their big, beautiful casino will pay for itself in 10 yrs.).

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

          And monorails?

          1. Ajsloss   8 months ago

            Monorails put Brockway, Ogdenville and North Haverbrook on the map!

            1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

              is there a chance the track could bend?

              1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

                Not on your life, my Hindu friend.

  17. Ajsloss   8 months ago

    "More Federal Workers Are Flooding the Job Market, With Worsening Prospects."

    Because they have no marketable skills?

    1. Don't look at me! (The bromance is over)   8 months ago

      I’m sure there are some ships that need ballast.

    2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

      Charlie and molly promise us they are all the creme de la creme experts.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

      Just when you thought service at the coffee shop could not get worse...

  18. mad.casual   8 months ago

    The importation of Fusarium graminearum to the US does not equate to a new introduction of the organism to the US and does not, by itself, pose a new threat to US agriculture or US security.

    Yeah, because nobody between China and the US would do anything completely novel with them.

    In the 90s, I started filing paperwork around large shipments of diesel fuel and ammonium nitrate.

    In the early 00s, I was trained, vetted, and started filing paperwork around drugs of abuse.

    In the mid-late 00s, I was trained, vetted, and started filing paperwork for anthrax and ricin, sequences, organisms, and toxins (both of which are endemic).

    Additionally, in between, I've been vaccinated, and documented, for hepatitis and trained multiple times on how to handle MRSA and similar.

    This was all as a relatively pedestrian US citizen. The tolerance for Ph.D.-level adults, Chinese immigrants, who "forgot to file their paperwork" even just as an educational-level "I forgot to do my homework." is ridiculous.

    Again, we left the age of "this endemic disease kills half the population" over 20 yrs. ago. We're well into the age where "Sounds like a great idea! With the best of intentions! What could possibly go wrong?" kills a million people. Retards have been crying about "think globally, act locally" about phantoms 100 yrs. in the future that our children's children won't face, meanwhile "Best intentions" cooks up a myocarditis injection to protect children from a disease that only kills their sickly grandparents.

    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

      It is pretty wild that reason is now defending smuggling of invasive and damaging biological products to protect foreigners.

      1. mad.casual   8 months ago

        I forgot the euphemistic quotation marks around '"protect children"'.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

        Protect foreigners? Don't you mean protecting unrestricted immigration--for people and stuff?

    2. VinniUSMC   8 months ago

      It's not a new threat, just ignore it. -jeffsarc

      1. Don't look at me! (The bromance is over)   8 months ago

        Oh boy! A new vaccine on the way!

  19. KARayate kid   8 months ago

    Off topic: Go Pacers! The god damn Okies shouldn’t even have a team.
    And go Panthers!

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

      Settle down.

  20. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

    "Neil Young Invites Donald Trump to Summer Tour ‘If There Is Not Martial Law by Then'"
    [...]
    "As Neil Young prepares to tour the U.S. this summer, he's invited President Donald Trump to attend one of his shows as a way to remind him of "American values."
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/neil-young-invites-donald-trump-to-summer-tour-if-there-is-not-martial-law-by-then/ar-AA1G2XjM

    Young doesn't seem to understand that Trump is making history; Young *is* history.

    1. mad.casual   8 months ago

      Young doesn't seem to understand that Trump is making history: Young *is* history.

      Probably the most well-known American of American song lyrics aside from the National Anthem specifically lays out that Canadian Neil Young is not a man of "American Values". My kids learned this lesson by osmosis. Neil Young, somehow, hasn't.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

        He claimed to be frightened he wouldn't be let back in the US after his o'seas tour, since he said nasty things about Trump.
        Seems to have developed a raging case of paranoia along with his TDS.

        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

          The entire Trump is going to arrest citizens and celebs is pervasive as shit right now.

        2. mad.casual   8 months ago

          Seems to have developed a raging case of paranoia along with his TDS.

          Neil Young would be one of the few people I imagine to be immune to TDS in pretty much the same fashion that I imagine he, Joe Walsh, Keith Richards, Ozzy, etc. would be immune to zombies. He's always been a bog standard case of narcissistic, self-absorbed, Boomer rock star, own-fart-sniffing stupidity that just rotates through Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Trump, [insert next GOP president].

          1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

            "Boomer rock star"

            The key to the rest. You have to be a Johnny Rotten-tier anti-establishmentarian not to run with the herd for that gang.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

      Hmm, do you think Neil is worried about martial law per se, or the wrong brand of martial law? Maybe we could ask for his thoughts on how Trudeau handled those Canadian truckers.

      1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

        Or people who flouted the Covid lockdowns.

      2. mad.casual   8 months ago

        the wrong brand of martial law?

        Brand A being implemented and practiced globally and Brand B only existing in his head.

        Even a no-shit authoritarian king declaring "No one who is not a subject of the crown shall enter or reside the kingdom without the king's consent." is as backwards an interpretation of "martial law" as Israel's Genocide and Trump's Nazi fascism.

        These people don't know what these words mean, they just say them because they know the martial law vibe or dog whistle will stimulate their fans.

  21. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

    Now imagine how much more fun we could have if Elon and the Donald traded jobs, and Trump ran Space-X while Musk ran the White House.

    1. Don't look at me! (The bromance is over)   8 months ago

      Those rockets would become the biggest, the best!
      Oh, wait.

      1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

        I asked Chat GPT:

        "Look, folks, we’re doing things with rockets nobody thought possible. I bought SpaceX—great company, by the way, incredible—because I knew we could do better. Elon did a nice job, he really did, but now it’s Trump SpaceX, and we’re going to space the right way. The Trump way."

        "Other countries? They’re buying Russian junk. Sad. Ours? Sleek, aerodynamic, absolutely incredible—and reusable. Like magic. People are saying they’ve never seen anything like it."

        "And the astronauts—only the best. Top people. They’re patriots, they love this country, and they love flying Trump rockets. We even gave them gold-trimmed flight suits—just beautiful. Stylish, but still very functional."

        "So we’re going back to the Moon, we’re going to Mars, and maybe Venus—why not? People love Venus. And we’re doing it faster, cheaper, and classier than anyone else. Believe me."

        1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

          "Talk about Selling real estate in New York as if you were Elon Musk and owned The Trump Organization, Inc."

          "Yeah, so… I acquired The Trump Organization. Kind of unexpected, I guess. But it made sense. I mean, they build towers. I build rockets. Vertical integration, literally."

          "We're basically rethinking real estate from first principles. Traditional buildings are inefficient. So we’re retrofitting Trump X Tower with solar glass, Starlink connectivity, AI-driven elevators, and fully autonomous concierge systems. It’s not just a building—it’s a platform."

          "People think selling property in Manhattan is about location. Sure. But what if the location had an underground Hyperloop spur, rooftop Tesla drone pads, and every unit came with Neuralink compatibility? That’s not a condo. That’s a neural interface launchpad with a marble kitchen."

          1. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

            Okay that shit is hilarious.

            1. Nelson   8 months ago

              Yeah it is.

    2. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

      Probably be a lot more... Maybe there would be...

      Hmmm...

      A more pertinent question might be how would Trump fare running a rocket company, and how would Elon do buying and selling real estate in New York?

  22. Mickey Rat   8 months ago

    "From The New York Times: "More Federal Workers Are Flooding the Job Market, With Worsening Prospects.""

    Wait, a labor glut is not good?

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

      They won't do the work that Americans won't do and DC is already overrun with food trucks.

  23. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

    'From The New York Times: "More Federal Workers Are Flooding the Job Market, With Worsening Prospects."'

    No wonder more Democrats are pushing (again) for increases in minimum wage.

  24. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

    https://mises.org/mises-wire/federal-judiciarys-war-trump-not-about-protecting-us-government-overreach

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

      Great analysis.

  25. Marshal   8 months ago

    One of the ways you can be sure that conspiracy theories are total bullshit is the fact that long term it would require bipartisan commitment to the cover up even in an age of increasingly vitriolic and totalizing partisan warfare

    This analysis is completely wrong even if his conclusion is correct. The bureaucracy or Deep State is entirely dominated and controlled by the far left. Even independent thinkers are rooted out. This is the number one priority in hiring by left wing institutions: academia, media, NGOs, and most government agencies. Even when Reps control the Presidency and/or congress the bureaucracy continues to push leftist goals as we saw with the Russian Collusion Hoax.

    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

      Regime libertarians refuse to admit to and even defend control of the deep state.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

        Industrial liberty for all!

  26. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    More Federal Workers Are Flooding the Job Market, With Worsening Prospects.

    When your primary marketable skill of having contacts at USAID is no longer as valuable as it once was.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

      Do those contacts help a new Uber-eats driver?

  27. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    It turns out the way we treat them may be part of the problem.

    Putting UTI sufferers on ventilators.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

      Or inject them with bleach?

    2. Ajsloss   8 months ago

      More testing needed.

    3. mad.casual   8 months ago

      Not enough flowers, chocolate, ice cream, and pony rides.

  28. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    A hypersaline plume of water that contains trace amounts of radioactive isotopes from Turkey Point [Nuclear Generating Station] is seeping into an aquifer that is the primary source of drinking water for more than 3 million people...

    Guess it's back to coal.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

      "...that contains trace amounts of radioactive isotopes..."

      Compare to background radiation or STFU.

      1. Jerry B.   8 months ago

        Any radiation is too much. Ask the millions who died at Fukushima.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

          From radiation or with radiation?

        2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

          And TMI! The death toll was............
          missing.
          BTW, supposedly one person was declared a radiation casualty as a result of Fukushima, but it comes with an asterisk; he died of cancer and we all know that only comes from nuclear accidents, right?

        3. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

          And since the beginning of time, man has yearned to destroy the Sun

      2. Moonrocks   8 months ago

        The salt is a pretty big problem on its own.

    2. mad.casual   8 months ago

      Hypersaline plume of radioactive water off the coast/down stream of a nuclear power plant? Seen it! [Presses 'channel up' button on the clicker]

      Wait, was everybody's mouth moving in time with their speech? Meh.

  29. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    Fusarium graminearum already has been endemic in the US for at least four decades.

    Just come up with a lucrative prophylactic and mandate it. Do I have to think of everything.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

      And spray it in jet contrails?

  30. VinniUSMC   8 months ago

    Musk is not wrong that government spending is out of control, and that Trump and his lackeys in Congress have abandoned any pretense of fiscal conservatism.

    You started out ok. Yes, government spending is out of control. But, here we have a bill which reduces government spending compared to last year (not enough, but a start), and keeps tax cuts. God forbid we get to keep our money.

    And where would we be without Trump this term? Hmm? Where would we be with Harris in the White House and/or Democrat majorities? Not talking about reduced taxes and reduced spending. "Complaining" about increased spending, and not a single DOGE fraud finding. But hey, Trump bad.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

      Yup, Trump is super terrible, especially compared to the last Libertarian President. Oh, wait.

    2. Nelson   8 months ago

      See, reducing spending is irrelevant if it results in deficit spending because the interest on that borrowed money costs more than has been cut.

      You’re like those people who buy a new car and roll the old loan into the new one. No, genius, in the long run you didn’t get anything for your old car. The interest on the loan will cost more than the dealership gave you for it.

      First you have to balance the budget, or at least reduce the deficit. He’s growing the deficit. That’s bad. Very, very bad. A couple billion from DOGE doesn’t make a difference at all. It doesn’t even cover the interest from the new borrowing for a single day.

      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 months ago

        Say it slowly Nelson, be truthful. You want 3.8T in New taxes.

        It's weird though. Just with the estimates CBO scored on tariffs, there would be zero hit to the deficit yet you rage against that. Weird.

        Won't even get in to how CBO doesn't include the cuts from recissions, future cuts to normal budget bills, and has an already proven false estimate of tax revenue change based on tax code changes, same with economic growth.

        But you do you. That retarded thing you're great at.

        1. Nelson   8 months ago

          $3.8 trillion? What are you talking about?

          And I want tax cuts, but where they help the economy: the middle class. Corporate welfare doesn’t help anyone except shareholders and giving more money to rich people is doubling the benefit to the rich.

          Supply-side is an abject failure. Boosting demand through middle-class tax cuts is a proven winner.

      2. DesigNate   8 months ago

        You don’t think that DOGE or Congresssional Republicans could find $240Billion more to cut ($2.4TT / 10 years)? I think the commentariat, even the more left leaning ones, could find that easy.

        1. Nelson   8 months ago

          They aren’t even going to end up finding $10 billion, never mind $100 billion. $244 billion is impossible for DOGE. It would be hard if they were addressing defense and entitlements, where most of the budget is.

  31. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

    Musk had a great idea. Then politics happened.

  32. TJJ2000   8 months ago

    Think the message is.......

    DO better Mr. Trump; 8% deficit reduction isn't good enough to tackle the $36T runaway debt the Democrat [Na]tional So[zi]alist Empire made.

    But at least it's a battle on CUTTING instead of LETS STEAL MORE and pretend 'armed-theft' will make sh*t.

  33. Moderation4ever   8 months ago

    I noted much earlier that I did not think there was a room large enough for both Trump's and Musk's ego. Interesting question is does this split the MAGA movement? Can Trump and Musk coparent the movement or is there spilt custody with each one taking a part?

    1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   8 months ago

      There is no split. They're arguing over purity, not having a disagreement. If anything Trump is more on your side than Musk is. Get your hands out of your trousers, Mod.

      1. Moderation4ever   8 months ago

        Fights over purity are never good, I could point to the Democrats to show that fact. I doubt Trump is more on my side. I think Musk is right the OBBB is a mess. I also approve of idea of DOGE and only have issues with the methods used which I think emphasized show over results.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

          You are a pathetic pile of lying lefty shit, aren't you?
          Fuck off and die, shit bag.

  34. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

    "New California bill ties legacy of slavery to college admissions"
    [...]
    "For example, someone such as former President Barack Obama would not qualify because his father emigrated from Africa after slavery was abolished in the United States, Assembly Judiciary Committee staff said.
    The committee staff also noted that some people who identify as white have learned from DNA tests that they are of African descent and may qualify under the bill..."
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/new-california-bill-ties-legacy-of-slavery-to-college-admissions/ar-AA1GaCDa?ocid=BingNewsVerp

    How about all the slaves of other races?

    1. mad.casual   8 months ago

      The oxymoronic white washing behind "We discovered that people of the same race were enslaved when some white people took a DNA test." is just the [chef's kiss] of oblivious retardation.

      Shit's really gonna get real funny when someone is black and has both slave and one drop of slave owner DNA.

      It's like an unending Calvin and Hobbes comic strip where they walk out of the transmogrifier and just keep re-narrating reality in spite of everyone else's recognition of it.

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