How Making GLP-1s Available Over the Counter Can Unlock Their Full Potential
Drugs like Ozempic might not only address obesity but also alcoholism, smoking, and drug addiction.

When the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved Byetta (exenatide) in 2005, doctors thought it was just approving the first glucagon-like peptide-1 (GLP-1) agonist to treat Type 2 diabetes. But this new drug class had the potential to treat a host of other problems.
GLP-1 agonists mimic the body's intrinsic GLP-1, a hormone that stimulates insulin release, suppresses the hormone glucagon, slows the muscles that move food through the intestinal tract, and decreases appetite. GLP-1s indirectly cause weight loss by slowing the movement of food through the stomach and intestines, extending the feeling of fullness. Researchers soon discovered they also directly act on GLP-1 receptors in the brain to reduce appetite and cravings. During clinical trials and postapproval surveillance, clinicians noticed people on GLP-1s losing weight.
Clinicians began prescribing GLP-1s off-label—not for a purpose or in a dose the FDA specifically approved—soon after seeing the drug's weight loss effects. By 2014, the FDA approved the GLP-1 Type 2 diabetes drug Victoza (liraglutide) to treat obesity under a different brand name, Saxenda. Both brands contain the same drug but have different dosing instructions. Since then, other drug manufacturers have followed the same strategy.
The makers of the GLP-1 Ozempic(semaglutide) got the FDA to approve the same drug in a different dose under the name Wegovy to treat obesity. Later, the FDA permitted the makers of Mounjaro (tirzepatide) to market it for weight loss as Zepbound. Getting FDA approval for these rebranded products allows drugmakers to use existing patent laws to extend their exclusivity for the new indication—enabling them to charge higher prices. It also makes it easier for them to secure insurance coverage.
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As clinicians and clinical researchers learned more about the direct effect that GLP-1s have on food cravings, they set out to find if they may help reduce cravings for other substances and perhaps even help people with substance-use disorders.
A 2023 study found that people using GLP-1 medications for weight loss also drank less alcohol. More recently, research co-authored by National Institute on Drug Abuse Director Nora Volkow suggested that GLP-1 agonists could help prevent relapse in those with alcohol-use disorder. Together, these findings suggest that the drugs may reduce alcohol cravings.
Volkow and colleagues published a study in 2024 suggesting GLP-1s might also reduce the desire to consume cannabis. There is anecdotal evidence they may even cut nicotine cravings.
There is emerging evidence that GLP-1s can similarly reduce cravings for opioids. If so, GLP-1s can supplement or, in some situations, replace methadone and buprenorphine, two proven medications for opioid-use disorder. Even if they only work in conjunction with methadone or buprenorphine, they might reduce patients' dose requirements and reliance on them.
Even more exciting, there is early evidence that GLP-1 might reduce cravings for stimulants such as cocaine and methamphetamine. Presently, there are no medications for stimulant-use disorders.
Some researchers are now looking into whether GLP-1s can reduce compulsive behavior, including compulsive gambling.
GLP-1s are not without risks. In addition to common side effects such as nausea and diarrhea, these drugs can occasionally cause pancreatic inflammation and, in very rare cases, are linked to a rare form of thyroid cancer in people with a genetic predisposition.
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As I explain in my book Your Body, Your Health Care, in 1951 Congress gave the FDA exclusive power to decide which drugs manufacturers could sell over the counter (OTC) and which ones adults could only purchase with a prescription—a permission slip from a government-licensed health care provider. Before that law, manufacturers made those decisions. If they believed a drug was too complex or carried a high risk of misuse, they would choose to have it sold by prescription only, in part to protect themselves from liability.
If Congress removed the FDA's monopoly power to require prescriptions, it is possible that some 20 years after GLP-1s appeared on the market, competition from new brands will incentivize some makers of GLP-1 products to market them over the counter.
Ibuprofen carries the risks of kidney damage, hypertension, ulcers, and cardiovascular events. The FDA approved ibuprofen as a prescription drug in 1974. Ten years later it removed obstacles to people buying it over the counter. If adults are competent to buy and use ibuprofen with proper labeling instructions after 10 years, why can't they use GLP-1s with proper labeling instructions after 20 years?
Imagine how people would benefit if they could buy GLP-1s over the counter. Drugs tend to be dramatically less expensive when they are available OTC. Prescription drugs usually carry higher price tags than do OTC products, mainly because insurance covers prescriptions but not OTC purchases. When people pay out of pocket, they look for better deals, which pressures companies to keep prices competitive. Once insurance takes over the cost, shoppers stop paying attention to price and drugmakers can charge the deeper-pocket third-party payers more without worrying about losing customers.
If people are worried they might be drinking too much alcohol, using too much cannabis, or addicted to opioids, meth, or cocaine, wouldn't it be great if they could simply buy a GLP-1 over the counter? This way they could, if GLP-1s' effects in these areas pan out, privately and discreetly reduce their substance use to a safer level without facing any stigma.
Until adults can get these drugs over the counter, removing the FDA's restrictions on compounding pharmacies can go a long way toward making GLP-1s less expensive. Under the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act of 1938 and its amendments, compounding pharmacists can make and sell products to consumers without needing FDA approval, as long as they use FDA-approved ingredients from licensed facilities. But the FDA prohibits pharmacies from creating drugs that "essentially copy" commercially available ones—though this restriction is lifted during critical product shortages.
After the FDA approved Wegovy for weight loss, demand for this and other GLP-1s soared, resulting in shortages of the FDA-approved brands. In late 2022, the FDA declared a shortage of Zepbound, Wegovy, and other GLP-1s and allowed compounding pharmacies to create essential copies. These pharmacies helped increase patient access to these effective drugs at significantly lower prices than the commercially manufactured versions.
In February 2025, the FDA announced that the shortage was "resolved." This means consumers will return to paying more for the commercially available product. The higher prices may force some people to stop taking the drug altogether. Compounding pharmacies are exploring alternatives, such as creating products with different doses or delivery systems than those used in commercially available drugs.
One way to improve the situation would be for Congress to remove FDA barriers to compounding pharmacies making products that are essentially copies of commercially available off-patent products.
Imagine a future where GLP-1s are readily accessible—through compounding pharmacies or OTC options—offering hope and healing to millions. For those battling obesity or substance-use disorders, these medications could become life-changing tools for reclaiming health and opportunity. Achieving that future will require bold policy decisions that lift needless restrictions and put transformative care within everyone's reach.
This article originally appeared in print under the headline "Unlocking the Full Potential of GLP-1s."
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Not so sure this is a good idea, relying on drugs rather than actual work to achieve a goal. With these drugs, you’re trading one addiction for another.
It's just modern hedonism, wrapped up in the language of fwee markers. It utterly betrays the libertine-ness of this rag, which I could tolerate if that was the goal, since there's no deception there.
Do you really think fat jeffy is going to lose weight on his own?
Hey, these drugs might even help sarc finally sober up.
The world doesn't produce enough GLP-1 for the latter.
Nor does it produce enough liquor to satisfy the thirsty drunken bitch.
This rag celebrates freedoms without responsibility.
Aka the elementary school understanding of "socialism".
True but not really the point of the article. People are entitled to make their own mistakes, especially since they already are even with the FDA's interference and largely pointless bureaucracy.
I mostly agree. But we might need people to sign a disclaimer stating they will not seek corrective aid from us after they fuck up.
"...we might need people to sign a disclaimer stating they will not seek corrective aid from us after they fuck up..." Cars... Bikes... Motor-bikes... Parachuting... Diving of all kinds... Walking by the highway... Mountain climbing... Eating wrong... Getting old... Having bad genetics... Petting dangerous dogs... Slipping and falling in the shower... My Good Government Almighty, just THINK AND STINK about ALL the money we could save on insurance!!!
Agreed but disclaimers, non-disclosures, loans, & all contracts in general, have gone in the shitter the last 10 years or so. Not sure that will help.
Taking responsibility for your decisions is white supremacy.
Taking responsibility for the decisions of the "others" of the WRONG Tribe, and PUNISHING them, is freedom-loving responsible behavior, according to the "libertarianism" of sore-in-the-cunt cuntsorevaturds!!!
Only if you’re not white.
The problem is with the current social constructs we are forced to subsidize their failures.
The problem is (that) with the current social constructs we are forced to subsidize their failures to vote for decent candidates, and we get AuthorShitarian and TotalShitarian candshitates erected to orifice, and they udderly RUIN the USA's reputation and good faith and credit, and RUIN our economy ass well, with cuntstant yo-yoing of tarrif-taxes!!!
Well, since those failures at the result of oppression, they are entitled to compensation, right?
True but will happen is they'll end up getting everyone else to pay for their mistakes.
THIS is why we must get the FDA to cuntinue making us get a doctor's spermission to blow upon a cheap plastic flute!!! PROTECT us all, FDA, PROTECT us all, from the un-authorized abuse of cheap plastic flutes!!!!!!
To find precise details on what NOT to do, to avoid the flute police, please see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/DONT_DO_THIS/ … This has been a pubic service, courtesy of the Church of SQRLS!
Also, the way in which the legalization or de-regulation is done, to this anit-IP libertarian, sounds essentially like all IP would officially belong to the government rather than the fig leaf of being owned by private corporations but enforced (or not) by government(s and global trade organizations).
It's all fun and games until someone is forced to compound the gay wedding Ozempic because, really, only patent holding is defensible free speech. Everything else is compulsory, off-the-shelf service in accommodation of The Public.
Yup. Not surprising the a senior fellow at CATO would miss this point.
"Get government out of the way!" (Good, libertarian start.) "And let pharmacists render these patents worthless for the good of the collective!" (Goddammit.)
Wussel Pussel wants to micro-manage twat pharmacists can and can snot sell... Twat and udder slurprise, and twat an udder libertarian which Wussel Pussel is!!! How many udder professions does Wussel Pussel want to micro-manage, for The Good of The Collective Hive? Does Wussel Pussel simply want to replace Government All-Righty Almighty with the PervFection of Wussel Pussel?
Yes, TANSTAAFL. Everything has a cost. I wouldn't mind losing a few pounds, but my body has settled in it its current weight. If I started taking drugs to lose weight, I'd have to spend the rest of my life taking those drugs. Even if they were free, price-wise, never mind who's actually paying for them, they have other costs, the unseen costs.
Have you ever seen “ozempic face”? It’s not pretty.
Neither are fat bodies. Trade-offs?
Nothing wrong with a little cushion for the pushin’.
Little is key word.
Or go big, and just poke into any convenient sweaty fold.
The sarcjeff method.
He didn't mean your OWN sweaty fold.
Look at Mr. Fussy up here.
I am tall and well groomed. Ask sarc.
Is he still pining for you?
It’s because he looks like a cop.
"Ozempic face" is just the beginning.
We already suffer and struggle with various wasting and lack-of-use diseases as we age. They're the literal markers of a rather self-evident truth (Personally, at Brian Johnson's age, I beat Magnus [who's 10 yrs. younger and 'ages' himself 10 yrs. below that] at everything except continuous push ups). Cutting off the supply of fuel in concordance with lack of use isn't going to make the wasting any better.
In a bit of alignment with the 'hedonism' Nobartium points out above, this should be repulsive to 'transhumanists' and life extensionists like Ron Bailey. Even normal people should rightly regard it as a somewhat misguided or misanthropic "I don't need my feet, everybody thinks feet are ugly, and they only take me places where I can get hurt, so cut them off or medically remove them." approach.
Not so sure this is a good idea, relying on drugs rather than actual work to achieve a goal.
What we do know for sure is that relying on "work" to reverse obesity is unsuccessful for nearly all obese people who try it. If we're not going to just write them off as goners, we need new approaches to treating obesity. GLP1s might be on the right track, but it's too soon tell.
.."work" to reverse obesity is unsuccessful for nearly all obese people who try it.
Do, or do not. There is no try.
Nonsense. "Do, or do not. There is no try." is a short way of saying, "never attempt to do anything unless you are absolutely certain you will succeed." Obviously ludicrously bad advice.
Sorry you didn’t get the reference.
I got the reference. Just pointing out that the statement is retarded.
The character who said it did lose an entire galaxy.
Plus, he died.
And he look under the fridge? A lot of stuff that gets lost rolls under the fridge.
Evaluating your own risk posture is retarded?
Saying "there is no try" is the OPPOSITE of evaluating your risk posture. It's saying don't make the attempt unless success is certain.
Looks good as motivational poster though.
It means don’t be a quitter.
Not being a quitter means trying.
Not being a quitter means trying.
This is why you fail.
Wow. This thread just kept improving. Kudos.
Little green men are not always correct.
Why bring race into this?
Skin color is the most important thing.
"Men"? You sound like a double bigot.
Double secret bigot.
Obviously ludicrously bad advice.
Or it's "Endeavor at something that works until you succeed."
Bad advice is better than a out-and-out lie like "relying on "work" to reverse obesity is unsuccessful for nearly all obese people who try it".
GLP-1 isn't magic. You aren't imbued with some demonic ability to forego food or trips to the grocery store and you know it. It doesn't do anything a relatively broad standard or average human being can't or doesn't.
Moreover, the dismissal of "ozempic face" is you applying your same shit on the next shingle and selling it on down the road. Will exercising and dieting give you a 20" arms and a 28" waist? No. Those aren't realistic goals and not attaining them is not failure. But magically-enchanted retards like you and Ron Bailey will say "See, 'work' doesn't work! (and MOAR TESTING! will stop COVID)" while defending ozempic face.
No it's not on the right track but pills are the American way.
Obesity means extra fat on the body. The only way for the body to burn that is via ketosis. Not a ketosis diet - fasting. The only way to burn that many calories (and fix the underlying metabolic problems that created the obesity) is to fast for multiple days and probably a series of those.
Ozempic might be a good way to deal with the hunger pangs in the first couple days of a fast. But doctors don't know how to medically structure or supervise a fast of more than a few hours. And never will.
Your knowledge of fat metabolism is sorely lacking. Just like your knowledge of everything else.
Perhaps you should stick to hating Jews.
What we do know for sure is that relying on "work" to reverse obesity is unsuccessful for nearly all obese people who try it.
This is 100% false and is also mentally lazy in a manner that flagrantly false-advertises GLP-1 (or any other medications or treatments).
"Work" 100% reverses obesity. However, just like anything short of retard magic, once you stop putting in the work, it stops... working. This is as true of taking GLP-1s as it is of getting exercise and being more cognizant of and controlling what you stuff in your face than livestock eating from the trough. The GLP-1s specifically use the exact same mechanisms.
That's horseshit. It takes about 2600 calories to run a marathon. So for someone who is say 70 lbs overweight, you are advising them to run 100 or so marathons. Not after they lose the weight but in order to lose the weight. And if they can't, they're lazy. Which BTW wouldn't work because in order to run a marathon, you actually need to carb load. Fat itself is best for burning energy at basal metabolic load (to survive a famine) not a heavy break a sweat load. That latter is how carb energy can work
You people are insane.
I know Ayn Rand told you to diss God, morals, and altruism, BUT
you say "obesity but also alcoholism, smoking, and drug addiction."
For decades this psychological advice meshed completely with Christian teaching of the ages
""Keep the faculty of effort alive in you by a little gratuitous exercise every day. That is, be systematically ascetic or heroic in little unnecessary points, do every day or two something for no other reason than that you would rather not do it, so that when the hour of dire need draws nigh, it may find you not unnerved and untrained to stand the test". "
What we don't want is drugs that ensure you will end up a jagged volcanic monster of never-controlled behavior
"I know Ayn Rand told you to diss God, morals, and altruism, "
Tell me you don't understand Rand without telling me you don't understand Rand.
"For decades this psychological advice meshed completely with Christian teaching of the ages"
And look where it got you.
Now quote all the nasty stuff in the Bible.
God COMMANDS us to kill EVERYONE!
Our that them thar VALUES of society outta come from that them thar HOLY BIBLE, and if ya read it right, it actually says that God wants us to KILL EVERYBODY!!! Follow me through now: No one is righteous, NONE (Romans 3:10). Therefore, ALL must have done at least one thing bad, since they’d be righteous, had they never done anything bad. Well, maybe they haven’t actually DONE evil, maybe they THOUGHT something bad (Matt. 5:28, thoughts can be sins). In any case, they must’ve broken SOME commandment, in thinking or acting, or else they'd be righteous. James 2:10 tells us that if we've broken ANY commandment, we broke them ALL. Now we can’t weasel out of this by saying that the New Testament has replaced the Old Testament, because Christ said that he’s come to fulfill the old law, not to destroy it (Matt. 5:17). So we MUST conclude that all are guilty of everything. And the Old Testament lists many capital offenses! There’s working on Sunday. There’s also making sacrifices to, or worshipping, the wrong God (Exodus 22:20, Deut. 17:2-5), or even showing contempt for the Lord’s priests or judges (Deut. 17:12). All are guilty of everything, including the capital offenses. OK, so now we’re finally there... God’s Word COMMANDS us such that we’ve got to kill EVERYBODY!!!
(I am still looking for that special exception clause for me & my friends & family… I am sure that I will find it soon!)
Don’t forget… The above ALSO applies to Sacred Fartilized Egg Smells!!!
The entry point to the above-listed Deep Biblical Analysis is…
No one is righteous, NONE (Romans 3:10).
That means that NOT EVEN THE SACRED FARTILIZED EGG SMELLS are righteous! NO exception was listed for egg smells, fartuses, etc.! And if you follow the rest of the Biblical-literalness LOGICAL argument laid out above, then the Bible actually commands us to KILL said Sacred Fartilized Egg Smells!!!
WHERE are the Biblical literalists when we desperately NEED them?!?!
The entire thrust of the New Testament is that Christ fulfilled the law by taking its penalty upon Himself—redeeming humanity from condemnation under that law. This is central to Christian belief and the very reason Christianity is distinct from Judaism or Islam.
Christ Himself said He came not to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it (Matthew 5:17). But the fulfillment He speaks of is completed in His death and resurrection—where the righteous requirements of the Law are fully met in Him, not in us. This is why Christians celebrate Easter.
Galatians 3:13
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us.
Romans 8:1–4
There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus... For what the law was powerless to do... God did by sending his own Son...
Colossians 1:13–14
He has rescued us from the dominion of darkness... in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Romans 10:4
Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
Colossians 2:13–15
He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness... nailing it to the cross.
Galatians 3:10–14
Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God... Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law... so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
So no, Christians are not "still under the law"—and certainly not under its penalties. That was the whole point of the cross.
As for “capital offenses” in the Old Testament, including working on the Sabbath:
The Sabbath was Saturday, not Sunday.
The punishment for breaking it was indeed death under the Mosaic covenant—but Christians are not under that covenant.
That’s why Christians worship on Sunday rather than on the Sabbath: not as a replacement for the Sabbath, but to commemorate the resurrection of Christ, which occurred on the first day of the week.
To argue that Christians are still under the Law’s penalties is to misunderstand the Gospel itself.
Yes, Easter is when we celebrate Jesus regenerating into his second body. Then he left earth to travel time and space. Fighting for peace in a universe at war.
The punishment for breaking it was indeed death under the Mosaic covenant—but Christians are not under that covenant.
Hence the words, "the new and everlasting covenant," at every Eucharist.
"The Old Testament is the story of God's childhood."—Michael Gellert.
Was that the twilight zone episode with Bill Mumy?
Well sure, generous, broad-minded, tolerant people will look to the Bible to find justification for doing good. "Love your neighbor". Evil people will do the opposite. Do what you want to do, and find the justification later, from anywhere that supports what you want to do. If we directly have a link to "God" or your conscience, internally, and the good will do good, and the evil will do evil, and find their justification later, in "Holy Books" or other places, then who really needs the "Holy Books" anyway? If they help you do good, I am all on board, actually! If they help you to do evil... Well, not NEARLY as much so! "The Devil, too, knows how to quote scripture", some Shakespeare character once said...
It's not people finding "justification" to do this or that.
The New Testament is unambiguous: the central doctrine of Christianity is that God became human in the person of Jesus Christ and died in our place, bearing the penalty for breaking the moral law outlined in the Old Covenant. In doing so, He fulfilled the law—completely.
That’s why Christians aren’t bound by the Old Testament ceremonial or dietary laws anymore. They can eat bacon cheeseburgers, shrimp, or work on Saturdays without fear of violating the covenant, because that covenant was fulfilled in Christ.
You should consider reading the New Testament one weekend. Even if you're not a strong reader, it's short enough to get through in an afternoon or two. And if you read it like a continuous story instead of treating it like a set of encyclopedia entries, I think you might be surprised by what it actually says.
Peter McWilliams, "Ain't Nobody's Business if You do", https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/192976717X/reasonmagazinea-20/ is a most excellent book! It isn't "religious" per se, but discusses it for about 1/3 of the book, as religion being the root cause of excessive busy-bodyishness (self-righteousness enacted by law) in matters that Government Almighty would be wise to stay out of. I was brought up Biblical-literalist fundamentalist, so I know my Bible. I literally ran away from all of that (and from family) at age 15. This (above) book rescued the Bible in my eyes; I had pretty much just ignored it (age 15+) till about age ? 42, 44, maybe. Then I read Peter M... Peter M. says that the Bible belongs neither to conservatives or to liberals, it belongs to all of us. Now I believe in being a "fundamentalist" again, but only in the sense that we should pay more attention to the "fundamental" of trying our best to love our neighbor!
Peter M. says that Jesus didn't give a single hoot about Government Almighty policies, but VERY often scolded people about hypocrisy and self-righteousness!
You read that book, but did you actually read the bible again?
Don't rely on other people's interpretations. Read it yourself and judge it by your own effort. Get a modern translation, and read it without focusing on verses.
More testing needed!
Just two weeks to flatten the gut!
We are all injecting this together!
The one time masks to stop them from eating would be useful.
"Your mask* protects me, from having to see your fat butt."
*Actually more of a muzzle.
GLP-1 suppresses appetite, so when you stop taking it your appetite returns to its previous state and you get fat again.
I BLAME IT ON BIG FOOD!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SP6zmBP4oaw&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5tD
Nice. I was also thinking of "Big Food" in the sense of Big Pharma. If only those corporations would not keep producing all those millions of tons of stuff to eat.
BTW, I think the WEF would approve this message.
Not necessarily. Some, people aren’t good at losing weight, but are ok at maintaining.
Necessarily
'Drugs like Ozempic might not only address obesity but also alcoholism, smoking, and drug addiction.'
Meh. We demand free soma!
Well; just as it is in every other [Na]tional So[zi]alist Empire Health system. Asking Gov-Gun-Gods for permission will curb "the peoples" prosperity because some leftist learnt them that only 'Guns' (Gov-Guns) against them can make prosperity when really they do the complete opposite.
It makes sense now. Why sarc became a Democrat.
https://x.com/ThePatriotOasis/status/1928175293811822967
I would've classified him as an asshole instead of a pussy.
His asshole is his money press. This is how he supplements his welfare checks so he can get closer to the end of the month before running out of booze money. Plus he has his goofy hole business in the men’s room at the local transit authority.
I saw this and I nearly pissed myself laughing.
ThePersistence @ScottPresler
This is not me.
I... I don't get the joke.
Is there some sort of twitter thing I am missing here?
The woman looks very much like a fat Scott Presler.
Scott Presler is a giant, long-haired, gay MAGA activist, and by that I mean he's very tall, has very long hair, is homosexual and is a big-time Trump supporter.
He's also one of the most successful get-out-and-vote organizers that MAGA has. He almost single-handedly brought Pennsylvania to Trump, and ironically he's the one who got the Amish to overcome their aversion to voting and vote Trump.
Anyhoo... from the comments:
"mcpeppers @mcpeppers
May 30
Petition to call her Temu Presler."
"Might," "imagine," "it is possible" -- yeah, let's base our drug policy on unsupported speculation on 'reason.' Or we could just ask the pink unicorns.
I notice Singer left out anal leakage and mental health issues like suicide. But hey, that last five pounds is worth all that!
This article is parroting all kinds of amazing results that haven't been proven at all then justifies it being over the counter based on that. What a crap article.
"...haven't been proven at all..."
The Lizard People CUMMANDED all of the doctors and experts to FAKE all of their evidence! They ALL lie!!! TRUST in Dr. (Dirty) Harry Jones alone!!!
"Trust in Me", Jungle Book, Kaa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZY8jUuEzJQ
Yeah, seems curious to base an entire article on theoretical magical results. There are always consequences.
Not that I disagree that everything should be 'over the counter' in the first place, but the justifications for that are strangely entirely absent from the article.
If they wanted to make a scientific justification for their view on this particular drug, they failed spectacularly to do so.
New here?
We get enough anal leakage from Sullum.
Gross. And true.
Hey, anybody remember olestra, and the magic potato chips and other stuff made with it? Now that was some serious anal leakage.
“Hey Apu, do you have any of those chips that give you diarrhea?
I have to do a little’spring cleaning’.”
They should market that for constipation.
Taco Bell lobbied against it.
A dark look into recruiting centers for OnlyFans.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/a-former-onlyfans-recruiter-reveals-the-dark-world-of-amateur-pornography
OnlyFans? If only Sinis and other recruiters had higher standards.
Slow down, Jeffrey. We're in the very early stages of experimenting with these drugs. No doubt currently unknown adverse effects from long-term use will be discovered, and the drugs will be improved as we learn more. It's way too soon to them to be hanging on a hook next to the Pez at the Speedway.
Yeah, these drugs have some serious side effects. And I’m not sure how easily the average de corset can figure out dosing.
Same way the doctors do.
Start with the minimum dosage the pen will dispense. Stay with that for a month. If it doesn't ruin your digestive system, double the dose for the next month. Repeat until the side effects are unbearable. Then drop back the the last dose.
See, I just saved you years of medical school.
Hey it worked out great with experimental Covid jabs. Oh wait...
That was a holy sacrament from pope Fauci.
Yeah I weigh under 140 pounds and I drink way too much beer, or so I'm told. I figure without beer I'd probably drop at least 20 pounds. If this shit reduces my appetite I could easily join the cadaver class. Is this a backdoor MAID scheme?
Not sure. Perhaps you should google ‘backdoor maid’. And if you want to see how this affects adolescents, add the word ‘teen’ to the search.
This one is a no-brainer for any libertarian. There shouldn't be required prescriptions for ANY drug. Next.
My dad was a pharmacist and he explained to me as a child that the whole prescription regiment is nothing but a marketing scheme. Government pretends to protect us from snake oil but civil liability is a much more effective tool. One of the really interesting things about marijuana "legalization" is that it skated under radar of the FDA because it was illegal. Government declared it a police matter not a drug available only by prescription. In the early days medical required a sign off by a doctor regulated by the states. Recreational isn't effectively regulated by the three letter agencies at all.
Civil liability would be TOO effective. Without the layers of liability protection provided by regulations and the prescription regime, no one would risk selling potentially harmful drugs—and virtually all effective drugs are potentially harmful.
Everything on earth is potentially harmful. That doesn't mean everything on earth is allowed to false-advertise and pony off taxpayers for every potential harm under the sun. It would work out perfectly/justly because that's is what being held responsible does.
Great! I'll import some fentanyl and sell it on the sidewalks. I'll need the money once the Trump policies disappear my job.
Nobody would employ you.
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Imagine a future where GLP-1s are readily accessible—through compounding pharmacies or OTC options—offering hope and healing to millions. For those battling obesity or substance-use disorders, these medications could become life-changing tools for reclaiming health and opportunity.
They're not life-changing. Because it does not in any way involve changing anything about your life. It's rats and snakes and mongooses all over again. You're just swapping one problem for another.
Getting FDA approval for these rebranded products allows drugmakers to use existing patent laws to extend their exclusivity for the new indication—enabling them to charge higher prices.
So the patent will expire on these drugs at one point when they are sold for diabetes, but will continue longer when they are sold for weight loss, etc? Expect to see a lot of renewed off-label prescription of the diabetes-targeted drugs when that happens.
Stopped smoking by: Not putting a cigarette in my mouth and lighting it.
Lost 85# by employing the best weight loss exercise ever: Quit eating before the plate was empty.
Why assume there is some victim incapable of personal action here? Do we need 'the march of the fat people' to do other than taking responsibility?
I don't care if someone buys it, but it is in no way a 'libertarian' response to some problem.
It's your life; take control of it, for pete's sake.
Ill give my normal PSA on these things:
GLP-1s and drugs like them are not good. Patients on them lose so much muscle mass, and you are essentially shutting down your GI tract because you dont have the self discipline to put down the fork. These people do not 'look good' they look like they have been tortured, they look weird. Its really bad to lose as much muscle mass as you do on Ozempic. And also, their gut health is terrible, absorption issues, hydration issues, and you essentially get a diabetic-like gastroparesis (food just sits in your stomach and doesn't move forward, thats why people describe the taste of rotten reflux/vomit all the time, and why they dont want to eat...)
It makes you lose weight by the absolute worst mechanism possible. All that said, I dont want to nanny anyone's life choices, do wtf you want. I just think the public is massively under-informed (purposefully, because this is a HUGE cash cow right now) and isnt getting actual informed consent. They just hear that its a miracle drug without ever really learning the down sides.
Oh, and because you dont learn any good habits at all, your weight loss will be dependent on staying on Ozempic or something like it. Like the people that get gastric sleeve or lipo, most of them just get fatter over time because they never really learned the skill they needed.
Final caveat (on the pro side), it is technically better to shut your GI tract down and have the negative side effect of GLP-1s if the other outcome is massive morbid obesity. Im not talking 50-100 lbs overweight, im talking my 600+ pound life bullshit. Those people's decision making is a bit more clear cut, as they are walking time bombs at their crazy obese size, and its a bit of a no brainer for them.
Either way, it really is a quite dystopian marker of a very sick society
600+ pound life bullshit. Those people's decision making is a bit more clear cut, as they are walking time bombs at their crazy obese size
And medicine has nothing to offer these people at this point. Maybe such morbid obesity will never be treatable, but at least an effort is being made now. GLP1s might not be the right path, but it's a start at looking at new approaches.
Well...no. GLP-1s, as I say above, do actually offer something for these people.
Its actually pretty difficult from a caloric intake perspective to maintain that much sheer size, you really have to be eating high calorie foods around the clock to maintain it. GLP-1s not only shut down a lot of the absorption of those calories, but make it so you just cant jam any more into the GI tract by slowing it substantially.
A GLP-1 would work (and often does work) quite well on these people and offers them a substantial increase in quality of life. Its probably the most appropriate scenario for GLP-1s.
Losing 20% of your body weight as a 200 lb overweight-to-mildly obese person provides substantially less than a 20% weight loss in a 700 lb person. Its probably truly not worth the side effects in the smaller person. The super obese person, it could be the difference between being bed-ridden and being fully mobile.
It's just dishonest, (self-)deluded bullshit.
Even the "BMI is a flawed metric" people overwhelmingly fall into this category. For every person where BMI is truly a flawed metric there are 10 people who are 20, 30, or 40 lbs. overweight, surrounded by people who are 20, 30, or 40 lbs. overweight, who maybe manage to get their 10k steps a day in and reinforce their body dysmorphia with "I've really only got 5-10 lbs. I could lose."
No. They've really got 10 lbs. that they can *see* that they could lose. There's almost certainly another 10 lbs. under that and the real problem is that BMI is more objective and they don't like it. If you're in +1 SD of the population for LBM, VO2 max, all your balance and strength tests, chem panel, activity and diet records, etc. and you think your BMI is off, OK. Otherwise, you're someone with 30-35% bodyfat deluding yourself into thinking your 20" arms look like Arnold's.
GLP-1 doesn't have anything to offer that someone in their life controlling their calories and activity couldn't achieve. The difference is, obviously, that person would be controlling them whereas, with GLP-1, it's OK for people like Vernon to overtly lie about the control and lack of self-control because THE SCIENCE!
The same stupid libertine, post-modern, nihilist horseshit about how, whether it's sex or pregnancy or consuming alcohol or drugs or affording a home, no one is ever in control of their own actions, for days, weeks, even years, until their preferred solution comes along and then it's the only possible solution and society should just give it to them because they're poor (economically or by will) and nothing else will work. Pregnancies just fall out of the sky so we need abortions. Heroin users frequently use until they OD and pass around blood borne pathogens so we need safe injection sites and free needles. Anyone could end up poor and homeless at any moment so we should have social welfare programs. This is just another pet cause.
"For every person where BMI is truly a flawed metric there are 10 people who are 20, 30, or 40 lbs. overweight, surrounded by people who are 20, 30, or 40 lbs. overweight...
...If you're in +1 SD of the population for LBM, VO2 max, all your balance and strength tests, chem panel, activity and diet records, etc. and you think your BMI is off, OK. "
Completely agreed. I have screamed this on a different soap box so many times to family and friends I should honestly just get a pamphlet to hand them for the next time.
I feel like deep down they also know its a disingenuous argument too. So often you'll get the very silly question of "ya, so what about Dwayne Johnson, or John Cena. Are they 'ObeSe?!' See BMI, is meaningless".
No you stupid fat fucks, you know damn well The fucking Rock's physiology is in a separate universe from yours, and body builder types are actually the main exception to the BMI argument.
And then of course the fat acceptance / anti-racism intersectional crowd got ahold of it, and now we have the shitty argument of "but Samoans and other Islanders normally carry more fat" and use that, instead of maybe suggesting that they live under a slightly shifted bell curve that could apply, to say "well that means its totally fine that I, as a middle aged white woman with 1/1000th cherokee / hawaiin heritage, am 150 lbs overweight".
Its so fucking painful. Unfortunately the fat acceptance crew, even within the AMA and medical community, has essentially put the scarlet letter on BMI and made it near radioactive. Normies now reflexively will spout any of the above talking points within 5 seconds of hearing BMI, almost as quickly as they will say "counting calories has been shown, scientifically, not to work" and I could throw them off a bridge every time (and maybe with luck they will land on a treadmill)
*end rant*
And medicine has nothing to offer these people at this point.
Again, this is false. This is the same retardation that asserts that society doesn't do enough or has no means by which to help the homeless.
The vast majority of 600+ lb. or even 400+ lb. people aren't significantly metabolically different from the population of 100, 200, and 300 lb. people aside from the fact that they've shoveled more in, longer, and done less, longer.
This is the same thing, if not worse, than the 'gender, sex, is a social construct' stupidity.
You dig a hole, the hole gets bigger. You stop digging and shovel the dirt back in, the hole gets smaller. That doesn't mean digging a hole doesn't work. You use an excavator and then slowly shovel dirt into a much larger hole until it's full again. That *still* doesn't mean digging a hole, even with an excavator, doesn't work.
Moreover, even if it didn't work, it's utterly retarded and dishonest fiction to pretend that "This pill that makes them not mind going out and taking a few shovel fulls out of the hole every day." is the *only* thing that can/does work.
The common pathway that people get lead down, with the help of the mentions above (BMI, calorie counting, fat acceptance), is that "well I have tried literally everything and nothing works", to which I will respond "oh, except the thing that works 100% of the time but is hard".
Just did this round and round with a close family friend when they stayed in town with us. He played all the self-defeatist hits:
"I have tried everything"
"I am really active, I have been working out too"
"Counting calories doesn't work"
"I really barely eat anything"
"Honestly, you are just in way better shape because of higher metabolism, mine is slow"
On further inspection, while they stayed in town for a week with us, the following was uncovered:
-His 'exercise' regimen he added, was a short walk daily. He does WFH, so that's all he does basically. He gets a total of 5000 steps per day on average, we checked his apple fitness app. He does no additional activity
- He not only doesn't count calories, but on a day we all woke up and had a HUGE pancake and sausage breakfast at 0900, he went out for lunch at 1130 with his wife to check out one of the local spots, where they ate an entire whole ass meal (sandwich and fries). He probably had, no shit, 3000 calories by lunchtime alone
- After dinner, he had a weed brownie, and then a non-weed brownie, and then some chips
- I skipped the pancakes (I dont like to eat really before lunch other than coffee), and while they were at lunch I went on a one hour jog and then lifted weights. I did have to make the uncomfortable point to him when they came back from lunch (because he asked how he could possibly get in shape, nothing works!), that my 'better metabolism' is potentially explained by the fact that by noon, he had consumed 2 large meals >3000 calories, while I had a cup of coffee, 1 sausage link, then proceeded to burn 1000 calories and had a 300 cal protein shake. Since, you know, counting calories couldn't possible work, because fat people apparently get to ignore the laws of thermodynamics
So much of this learned helplessness does overlap with the homeless situation. "We have tried everything, we gave them money, we gave them shelters, we gave them tiny houses, and they just kept turning them into meth/heroine spots full of urine and feces." Ya, you tried literally everything except turning away from a life of doing drugs and panhandling to buy more drugs/alcohol. Amazing
thing that works 100% of the time but is hard
The research shows it works about 5% of the time, but most relapse by 5 years out.
You pretty clearly don't know what metabolic syndrome is. Here's the Mayo Clinic on the subject. That also links to related metabolic consequences like insulin resistance, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, etc. Presumably they know more than you.
Most drugs could be over the counter but ideologues don't like that. We finally have an over the counter oral contraceptive; there should have been one decades ago. Many of the Christian Fascists don't want women to have choices. And it took an activist Supreme Court inventing a non-existent constitutional privacy right to even make contraception legal across the US.
Shorter Reason: How taking a pill for everything will solve everything.