Texas Ten Commandments Bill Is the Latest Example of Forcing Religious Texts In Public Schools
The Lone Star State's bill is already facing legal challenges.

Texas has become the latest state to pass a law requiring the Ten Commandments to be displayed in public school classrooms. The bill, which is already being legally challenged and is unlikely to pass constitutional muster, is part of a recent trend of red states attempting to inject religious texts into the classroom.
Senate Bill 10 requires public schools to "display in a conspicuous place in each classroom of the school a durable poster or framed copy of the Ten Commandments." The poster is required to only contain the text of the Ten Commandments and must be at least 16 inches wide and 20 inches tall. Further, if a school doesn't have an acceptable poster in each classroom, the bill requires them to accept any privately donated poster.
The bill was passed by the Texas state House on Saturday and overwhelmingly approved in the state Senate with a 28–3 vote on Wednesday. While S.B. 10 has not yet been enacted, Texas' Republican Gov. Greg Abbot said in a social media post earlier this month that he would sign the bill if it passed the Legislature.
Similar bills have been recently signed into law in Louisiana and Arkansas. While Louisiana's Ten Commandments bill tried to avoid legal scrutiny by directing schools to only use private donations, not public funds, Texas' bill makes no such distinctions. The bill states that a school "may, but is not required to, purchase posters . . . using district funds." Louisiana's bill was halted in federal court last November, shedding doubt on the Texas bill's ability to survive a First Amendment challenge.
The day after the bill was passed, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and several other groups announced that they were suing to stop the bill from becoming law.
"We all have the right to decide what religious beliefs, if any, to hold and practice. Government officials have no business intruding on these deeply personal religious matters," reads a Thursday statement from the ACLU. "S.B. 10 will subject students to state-sponsored displays of the Ten Commandments for nearly every hour of their public education. It is religiously coercive and interferes with families' right to direct children's religious education."
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What if they use rainbow font?
Good idea.
There are a number of fonts that can be used for the original Hebrew.
Humor is like a foreign language to the dim witted.
^
lol. Dlam owns your dumbass.
I'm mostly cool with 5 thru 10 so the poster would only need to be 10 inches tall.
What about 11 through 15?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXeTsWGPT0w
George Carlin had the right idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KiCEJoX9kE
I was around for his entire career , from Hippy Dippy Weatherman on. He was a terrible hate-filled obnoxious bigot who couldn't get over the fact he wasn't Lenny Bruce. (Who in fact could be funny)
He mocked airport security and called terrorism 'exciting' a truly disgusting person. Most people who liked him seemed to only feel good that someone else shared their hates.
His "In no way does this superstitious nonsense apply to the lives of intelligent, civilized humans in the 21st Century" seems presumptuous or poorly aged.
forcing it's reading and recital or placement?
damn the autopostrophe!
Does not matter. Both are illegal.
reviews are mixed.
Sure, just ignore the daily indoctrination into the reality denying, nihilistic cult of prog.
Whatabout!
No, turnabout.
More importantly, this also shows why that no matter how dysfunctional the Democrats are, and continue to become, the Republicans will not be able to hold on to power for long.
10 Commandments, Prayer in School, Abortion (especially things like banning the morning after pill), renewed war on HTC, etc.
As soon as the Pachyderms and Asses get momentum, they seem to always begin to pander to the extremes while ignoring the more populist middle who put them in to power to begin with.
renewed war on HTC
Huawei?
I don’t think you understand who is actually running the state house in Texas, it is not the run of the mill Republican but actual Rhinos. And I don’t mean kinda whishy whashy I mean actual Dems who run as Republican. Once elected they get Dems to vote for the speaker of the house and then said speaker puts Dems in charge of committees. I honestly believe they push laws like this (and the 6 month abortion ban law) to peal of any California imports who move to the Republican party back to the Dems and pissing off those of us who are real Republican so they can take the state blue. I know a few people who think things like this are important but for the most part the conservatives I know put this way down the list of what needs to be done by the state (this includes banning THC).
"Rhinos" should be spelled "RINOs".
"Whishy Whashy" should be spelled "wishy washy".
"Peal of": should have been written "peel off".
Was expecting to see “tow the lion”.
Glad you did that, I was about to.
Waiting for 'it doesn't phase me'
RINOs acquitted Paxton?
The biggest threat to the Trump populist vision is not Democrats. They are irrelevant at this point. The threat is from the old school Republicans.
Indeed. This is terrible overreach that undermines the good work Trump is doing.
Gov should veto it.
Of course not stealing, cheating or killing are beyond you and other Democrats so you shouldn't be reminded of your moral failings. Or do you think you were making some other point?
A stupid analysis disproved many times.
The populist middle
PEW
A growing share of the public dislikes both political parties. Nearly three-in-ten (28%) express unfavorable views of both parties, the highest share in three decades of polling. And a comparable share of adults (25%) do not feel well-represented by either party
There is no populist middle. Even Reagan's Silent Majority was not what you make it to be. Are you aware of the Reagan Democrats for example. Of course not.
"“Speaking for the ‘silent majority’ is popular among populists. Although this validation of the people’s will regardless of election results is a metapolitical illusion, an awareness of it helps us understand why populists often call the end result immoral after losing an election and refuse to accept the opposition after gaining power. In Hungary, Viktor Orbán has stated that it is impossible for the ‘people to be in opposition’. In Holland, Geert Wilders has repeatedly referred to the parliament as a ‘fake parliament” where ‘fake politicians’ work”.
Yet you don't sound like an Orban or Wilders type 🙂
If it were the Koran instead of the Bible, 'reason' would be all "please sir, I want some more."
How do you deduce that?
My prediction: 10C displays upheld by SCOTUS, and Stone v. Graham (1980) overruled, by a 6-3 vote. How far they go beyond that is anyone's guess.
The numbering used is a Protestant numbering and there are only two Protestants out of nine on the SC. This might be unanimously overturned.
There are no numbers in the MT so just as we use English for the Hebrew we use numbering for what was unnumbered. It affects nothing.
The Ten Commandments & Their Influence on American Law: A Study in History
By William J. Federer
President Harry S Truman addressed the Attorney General's Conference, February 1950:
"The fundamental basis of this nation's laws was given to Moses on the Mount ... I don't think we emphasize that enough these days...
If we don't have a proper fundamental moral background, we will finally end up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except for the State."
Franklin D. Roosevelt stated on December 24, 1942:
"We as a Nation and as individuals will please God best by showing regard for the laws of God.
There is no better way of fostering good will toward man than by first fostering good will toward God. If we love Him we will keep His COMMANDMENTS."
In 1954, President Dwight David Eisenhower said:
"The purpose of a devout and united people was set forth in the pages of The Bible ...
1) to live in freedom;
2) to work in a prosperous land; ... and
3) to obey THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD ...
This Biblical story of the Promised land inspired the founders of America. It continues to inspire us."
NOTICE ====> This Biblical story of the Promised land inspired the founders of America. It continues to inspire us."
Commie-Indoctrination Camps for Kids...
OR Christian-Indoctrination Camps for Kids...
This is what results from using Gov-Guns where 'Guns' aren't needed.
As-if it took 'Guns' to teach kids.
People need to stop playing Russian roulette with 'government' and start accepting it is nothing but a monopoly of 'Gun' Force.
The ***ONLY*** humanitarian usage of a monopoly of Guns is to defend Individual Liberty and ensure Justice for all.
WORD!
The numbering is the Christian numbering, not the Jewish numbering, so this Establishes Christianity as the official religion of Texas.
"The poster is required to only contain the text of the Ten Commandments "
A significant part of the text is omitted.
It really doesn’t, but I can see how a Marxist retard like you might think that.
Don't forget, it was written by the tiny hats who gladly break every one of them when it concerns the goyim.
Thou shall not steal means little to the tiny hats.
It also looks like they have used an inaccurate translation, too. The original Hebrew does not say, "Thou shalt not kill." A literal translation would be "Don't murder."
okay....
The version in that bill is specifically the King James version. So not just Christian. Anglican with an established church
Plus there were pre-Christian written versions that were not in liturgical Hebrew (which ain't the same as today) but in Aramaic and Greek
No, the Aramaic Targums were expansions because the mainstream of Jewry no longer knew Hebrew.
And there is the LXX, Symmachus, Aquila, and Theodotion.
BUT NO VARIATION that matters at all
The Talmud was written in Aramaic and that is far more authoritative (within rabbinic tradition) as a way of interpreting the paleo-Hebrew text than parsing paleo-Hebrew into modern Hebrew in order to comment on (or post something on a school wall) in English.
And it is almost certain that Hebrew was never used outside text. At least not by the time the texts were first written down in Second Temple period. Aramaic was the understood language even then
Well, there goes your point....they aren't concerned about authoritative or within rabbinic tradition. The Geneva Bible is the one they knew, It is a matter of the historical importance of the 10 commandments and not a nose-picker's guide to text criticism
I go to charliehall for my Hebrew translation.
I also grab a frog from the pond for the Latin translation.
Actually Vulgate uses the Future as Imperative. Again, utterly without any change of meaning.
The problem isn't difficult to solve. There shouldn't be public schools.
It's more complicated than just not having any government schools, because the government has its tentacles in private schools as well as home-schooling. Government licensing of "teachers", government approval of curriculum in private schools (as well as home-schooling in quite a few states), government-mandated "testing", etc, et al.
Please, for the love of god, just get rid of public schools. All these controversies and problems go away.
Public schools should be sued for malpractice.
Also, I know it's a big ask because the internet wouldn't exist otherwise (despite the fact that I was alive and can remember using the internet in that poorly-recorded era of history), but can we put someone else besides the Samaritans in charge of blocking and screening speech on the internet?
I'm always surprised how many people don't think education is a public good. Reading, writing, arithmetic, basic science is worth paying public money for.
No public money for madrassas, Talmud study, Xtian indoctrination, Zen navel gazing etc. If you want that send your kids to private school or homeschool. Bible study is a waste of time unless it's part of comparative literature.
Proving only that Lester illustrates what a poor eductation is !!!
Supreme Court made the point that he avoids...
Justice Clark giving the Supreme Court's decision in Schempp
" In addition, it might well be said that one's education is not complete without a study of comparative religion or the history of religion and its relationship to the advancement of civilization. It certainly may be said that the Bible is worthy of study for its literary and historic qualities. Nothing we have said here indicates that such study of the Bible or of religion, when presented objectively as part of a secular program of education, may not be effected consistently with the First Amendment. "
Which leads on to such statements as Lincoln's :
" In regard to this Great Book, I have but to say, it is the best gift God has given to man.”"
So, Lester, let me close with Christoper Hitchens to show not just your ingnorance on the one hand but also on the other :
In the May 2011 issue of Vanity Fair, Christopher Hitchens wrote an article in praise of the King James translation of the Bible. It was one of the last things he published before he died not long after in December. As Christian educators, would be foolish not to take his argument to heart:
A culture that does not possess this common store of image and allegory [ referring to the Bible, CH loved the KJV ] will be a perilously thin one. To seek restlessly to update it or make it “relevant” is to miss the point, like yearning for a hip-hop Shakespeare. “Man is born unto trouble as the sparks fly upward,” says the Book of Job. Want to try to improve that for Twitter?
IN everything you want education , learning , reason --- except in regard to the most influential book in history and certainly in American History !!!!
Post them in Klingon.
Not fluent but I hear Babel has a course with a money back guarantee.
That's just for openers. Grand Goblin Greg's minions are looking at requiring the Christian National Socialist twenty-five points program.
Sure Hank, we believe you!
I'm always curious as to which of the Commandments folks disagree with and why.
Taking the lord's name in vain is sketchy.
Why?
We're called to glorify God in our words and deeds, not invoke His name as a curse when we experience feelings of worthlessness, apathy, frustration, pain, or loss. Or, worst of all, invoke it in the name of our own prideful nature.
Suppose your own name - I'm going to assume it's Frank for sake of argument - was turned into a pejorative. Suppose people thought - even unconsciously - of you, you specifically, every time they were frustrated and pissed off and said "Frank damn it!" or "Oh for Frank's sake!" Or better yet, suppose it was a pejorative that your own children used every time they faced hardship or vanity.
Don't you deserve a little better than that, Frank? Than to be the personification of cursing and contempt?
Words we are not allowed to use.
A common list for libertarians?
Words we are not allowed to use.
A common list for libertarians?
Does it have to be a list or is a style guide, OK?
https://brand.msu.edu/storytelling/inclusive-guide
NB: The degree to which this 'list' relies on an unwritten list of words that are presumed to be understood not to be spoken is hilarious.
You're one of those people who reads the 10 amendments and concludes that the free press is the most important, if not the only, right granted to us by the entire BOR aren't you?
Nobody's saying you're not allowed.
We're saying you shouldn't.
You're not forbidden from sticking a fork in your genitals - but we WILL tell you not to do it. If you choose to ignore that, then the consequences are yours to bear. And don't expect a lot of pity from others for your foolish choices.
Fuck the Lord. I'll take his or her or its name in vain as much as I want to. Freedom of speech and all that.
And it's your right to do that. Constitution or no Constitution.
But you shouldn't.
May I ask though... why do you? I can personally conceive of no reason whatsoever to take the position you've taken and articulate it the way you did. Would you mind sharing what compels you to do this and why?
(Also, language.)
Lester, nobody on here would want you within a mile of their children. They might agree with you but they know you are a hate-filled foul-mouthed decaying volcano of immorality
tracerv - Frank, for this purpose - is real. Yahooey is a fairy tale.
Now, you could argue that tracerv is a `bot, but somebody launched it.
A fair amount of killings in Europe over that very thing
It is a law of reason not to abuse the common right of Freedom of Religin by abusing the holders with what is to them blasphemy.
Call some guys' mother a whore and they will kill you and you will get no sympapthy from any normal person
There's roughly 4 that aren't universally applicable.
"Thou shalt not have any gods before me" is an explicit call to hold the conception of God in Christianity above all. I'd call that an overstep in public schools that serve people of all different beliefs.
Not worshipping false idols is borderline, but is universal if you don't emphasize who and how to worship.
"Don't take the Lord's name in vain" can be interpreted as "don't curse" but I'd say it's also inappropriate in public school.
"Keep the Sabbath holy" is also over the line though again you can interpret it in a secular way that also is good advice and morally positive.
So 6 commandments and 4 ‘do your best’s.
NO, and I am glad to point out the continuing revelation of your ignorance in new areas 🙂
That there is one supreme God is a commonplace of the Philosophia Perennis
The following shows how wrong you are there
===== God comprehends in Himself the whole perfection of being. If then many gods existed, they would necessarily differ from each other. Something therefore would belong to one which did not belong to another. And if this were a privation, one of them would not be absolutely perfect; but if a perfection, one of them would be without it. So it is impossible for many gods to exist. Hence also the ancient philosophers, constrained as it were by truth, when they asserted an infinite principle, asserted likewise that there was only one such principle.
Next, taking Lord's name in vain has no connection to cursing as in foul language. And in court if you swear to the truth of something and you lie it is a perjury crime in almost all modern Western countries.
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THe Sabbath gave us weekends and days off. You can make it religious if you want but it establishes the right of others who believe to have a day off. Nothing to object to there !!!!
In a unanimous 9-0 decision on June 29, 2023, the Supreme Court granted a victory for Gerald Groff All he asked in return was that the Post Office accommodate his deeply held belief that he should honor the Lord’s Day.
9-0 I think even you know a losing battle when you see one
Trinitarian Christians arguably violate the no ghodz before me ban.
"Thou shalt not have any gods before me" is an explicit call to hold the conception of God in Christianity above all. I'd call that an overstep in public schools that serve people of all different beliefs.
You're free to ignore the commandment, MT. If you believe in Gaia or Elephanthead or Bacchus or Yourself - go for it. The school isn't telling you that you can't.
And the fact that they DO tell students to worship those things instead - under the color of environmentalism or rainbow inclusiveness or hedonism or whatever - that's not an overstep in schools that serve people of all different beliefs?
Not worshipping false idols is borderline, but is universal if you don't emphasize who and how to worship.
Do you know what the term "worship" means? It means love (which, incidentally, is a synonym for God - because God is love. And truth, and beauty, and good). Reverent, grateful, appreciative love. And love is a term of value. The Commandment is a call to place importance on that which is valuable, and not on things that are worthless - which is all things not true, good, beautiful, and loving.
"Don't take the Lord's name in vain" can be interpreted as "don't curse" but I'd say it's also inappropriate in public school.
What do you think happens if Student A calls Student B a faggot? Or a nigger? Is it appropriate to post rules to that effect?
"Keep the Sabbath holy" is also over the line though again you can interpret it in a secular way that also is good advice and morally positive.
"Since on the seventh day God was finished with the work he had been doing, he rested on the seventh day from all the work he had undertaken."
That's what the Sabbath is. A day of rest. Christians (and Jews) take this to mean a day to forget the menial drudgery of their daily existence and just spend the day relaxing and basking and being in appreciation of the glory of God.
For some that means going to Church or Synagogue. For others that means just taking a break. What it doesn't mean is to spend your entire week obsessing with your fallen earthly existence - whether that means work, or pursuing some panacea, or whatever else.
Take a day off. Have a glass of wine. Life isn't meant to be a killjoy.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/worship
Not love. Nope.
Worship = love is some theologian's gloss. The discussion of worship is negative: don't do these things to honor strange ghodz. Or is worship mentioned elsewhere in the commandments?
Congratulations! You win the Intentionally Missing The Point award!
Now say, "But muh dicktinary!"
"hold in honor, treat with due esteem and affection."
Gosh, what's another term that encapsulates that...
#11 Thou shalt Gov Gun'em down for not preaching the other 10 in public schools.
Which by the word was literally Satan's plan from the beginning.
Christianity is about Individual Liberty (CHOICE) ... which far too many Christians like to forget while they play Satan's advocate.
A good idea isn't a good idea when the ends are to Gov Gun'em down where no victim is to be found.
Tell me you know nothing about Christianity without telling me you know nothing about Christianity.
You are the entire problem with libertarianism. You are why people hate and ridicule it. You want the freedom, but not the accountability. You want liberty, but no responsibility. You want free will - which God happily gives you - but you don't ever want to have to answer for choosing bad, evil, hedonism, destruction, or death.
The Christian nation that is the United States of America understood very easily that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness were ONLY feasible when talking about a society of good people.
That's not the society you want. You don't want a Christian nation. You want all the liberty, but none of the morality. Meaning you don't want the United States of America.
Which makes me wonder why you insist on being here.
"You don't want a Christian nation. You want all the liberty, but none of the *morality*."
!!!100% CORRECT!!!
The very first line of the Bill of Rights of the US Constitution
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
"Meaning you don't want the United States of America."
!!!100% Pure BS!!!
A *real* USA is exactly what I want.
Not you or anyone else pretending their *moral standards* (i.e. religion) gets make-up their own 'meaning' for the USA in complete contrast to the very supreme law of what the USA 'really' is.
!!!100% CORRECT!!!
So you're cool if someone rapes your wife? Cool if someone beats you in an alley and takes your money? Cool if someone murders your child?
They're just exercising liberty y'know. Without morality.
!!!100% Pure BS!!!
It's really not. The Founders banked on a good and moral people who would CHOOSE Christianity because Christianity is the only morally correct choice; the only way this country was going to work. They wouldn't compel them, they wouldn't punish them for failing to do so, so they guaranteed their freedom, codified by law. They venerated the Lord so much that they guaranteed the American people the same approximation of what God Himself gave us: free will. To use as we see fit, to America's ultimate reward or America's ultimate destruction.
America, in its effort to create a nation that is as close to God's image as any nation could be, wants the best for all its people. But they have to want the best for themselves, and make the right choices in furtherance of that. They will fail (we all do), and Americans will forgive them - so long as failure, and its accompanying destructive capacity, is not their goal.
You have to want America, TJ. I do. You clearly, admittedly, do not. You want the destruction.
Meaning it's not BS. You want all the protections and guarantees of a Constitution, but none of the moral responsibility that makes that Constitution possible in the first place.
You hate America. Because, at the end of the day, you hate the very premises that make America possible in the first place. You probably even hate God Himself. You wouldn't be the first and you won't be the last.
Because when you want total liberty and no morality - you just want anarchy. And that's not American.
Your "*real*" USA, that you want, is the same thing that any run of the mill boring 'ol self-centered relativist pagan wants. To be your own god.
It'll never work, TJ. Not ever.
Yes. The founders based the USA on Christian values.
And just as I stated...
"Christianity is about Individual Liberty (CHOICE) ... which far too many Christians like to forget while they play Satan's advocate."
Violating someone else's Individual Liberty/Rights is NOT a moral issue (rape). There is no confusion about what the founding of the USA is based upon and it isn't legislating a religion (i.e. someone else's morals). And frankly; the State (i.e. Public) claiming ownership of a Woman's vagina isn't very far from the State raping said Woman. That is what becomes of legislating 'morals'. A public raping of a Woman's body.
Violating someone else's Individual Liberty/Rights is NOT a moral issue
Are you stupid or something? Where do you think your rights come from? Who decided you shouldn't be raped and on what basis?
Spouting anguished superstitious gibberish about one's invisible playmates is easier than reading Moral Rights and Political Freedom, Viabla Values or Atlas Shrugged and getting a clear explanation of morality, values and ethics.
So then answer the question. Which Commandments do you disagree with and why?
As written in the text of the bill, there seem to be eleven commandments.
One obvious line of 1A attack is the favoring of one religion's version of 10, or eleven as it may be, commandments over other religions'. I'm certain if we checked with the Catholics, they would have a slightly different version. Perhaps the muslims or jews could come up with a 10 bullet point summary of commandments.
Speaking as a Catholic, as long as the other denoms kind of get the general gist of them all, and understand that the Commandments are written in an order of hierarchy of how sinful they are (yes, blasphemy and dishonoring your parents is more sinful than killing someone), we don't quibble about the numeric count. I've also seen interpretations in other denoms where the last two are condensed simply to "Thou shalt not covet."
Since they're not Catholic, they're obviously not going to get it all right and they're going to get hung-up on that whole "self-interpretated scripture" thing - but at least they seem to have a genuine desire to want to be closer to God. That's admirable.
Perhaps the muslims or jews could come up with a 10 bullet point summary of commandments.
The Jews and the Catholics would be pretty darned similar.
The Muslims don't understand the first thing about it. Or anything else.
You’re no kind of Catholic I’m familiar with.
12 years of Catholic school, 2 priests in the family, btw.
You’re no kind of Catholic I’m familiar with.
As a Protestant, the fact that he seems to know the material and can reason in that realm of knowledge and you "refute" him on just one of several points, kinda, with absolutely nothing besides, "I went to school and I know *2* priests!" is 100% grade A, 24K solid gold-encrusted [*chef's kiss*] satire.
satire
...or unaware self-parody.
Yikes then what is murdering your parents 🙂
This is like the legal speak about death sentences "Oh he got 3 death sentences" ...."Joe has 3 concurrently running life sentences"
The 10 commandments can accomodate only one distinction, sins that send you to Hell and those that don't.
Yikes then what is murdering your parents
lol, pretty bad.
The 10 commandments can accommodate only one distinction, sins that send you to Hell and those that don't.
The terms you're thinking of are "mortal sin" and "venial sin."
And it's not so much that one is a direct ticket to Hell while the other isn't - if you're out committing venial sins with impunity and without repentance for them, that's something that distances you from God (Purgatory). Mortal sin, on the other hand, left unrepentant and unconfessed completely separates you from Him. Humanity lived in that latter state ever since Eve at the apple, but Jesus opened the door again.
In fact, if you've ever read Dante, you'll see a lot of questionable people in the first layer of Hell - Caesar, Aristotle, Plato, Socrates, Saladin, etc. It's not that they were sinful, they just weren't Christian and arguably never had the opportunity to embrace the faith. "The virtuous unbaptized." (It also wasn't really "Hell," insofar as one might consider Hell. There was no pain or suffering, just eternal separation from God.) You'll also note that, consistent with the Harrowing (Matthew 27: "the tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised"), that even crucial Biblical figures were down there - Abraham, Moses, Noah, David, etc. "The faithful fallen." Not even Abraham himself was able to get into Heaven. Jesus had to go get him.
Venial sins can be forgiven through genuine repentance and through receiving the Gospel and Communion (aka. going to Church), though they should still be confessed regardless to receive the sacrament of Reconciliation. Mortal sins absolutely require Reconciliation (with some very few exceptions - like, a genuinely repentant murderer who hasn't made it to Reconciliation, but dies in martyrdom perhaps) - and so long as you're in a state of Mortal sin, you cannot receive Communion. (Taking it in a state of Mortal sin actually compounds the sin. This is why if you deliberately fail to participate in the Eucharist during the Sabbath - aka, intentionally don't go to Church on Sunday - you CANNOT receive Communion until you first go to confession. Hence why Priests often offer it on Friday nights and Saturday mornings.)
But there is absolutely a hierarchy to them. From bottom to top, least sinful to most, it can be regarded as: sinful desires for yourself; sins against others, sins against family/society (family is the basis for society), and finally sins against God Himself.
The last ones are the ones that put you most in jeopardy of eternal separation from Him. aka Hell.
wrong again.... "Caesar, Aristotle, Plato, Socrates, Saladin"
That is the first circle of Hell but theologically it is Limbo, a product of speculative theology and not dogma, never was. (Limbo, from the Latin limbus, meaning a hem, edge or boundary.)
The point wasn't about the specific designation of the place. The point was that there is no getting to Heaven unless it's through Jesus. And for that, you must avoid sin, repent for its commission, and be active in your faith.
Observe the division of mendacity. Mystical bigots carp, whine, convulse and carpetbite over anyone exercising individual rights to chose actions in terms of real values. Looter politicians hear this moaning, pander to it for campaign donations their All-Powerful invisible isn't stupid enough to fork over. With that they enact cretinous prohibitions and send armed jackbooted minions protected by immunity to use deadly force to make them stick. When your kid is shot dead over some plant leaf, the defenders of gin and cigarettes deny all involvement in making that happen.
Maybe your kid shouldn't be playing with plant leaves.
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Gen 1:29
https://bible.usccb.org/bible/genesis/1
The leaves in question are from seed-bearing plants, aren't they?
Go ahead and eat some poison sumac then.
God gave you free will. He also gifted you with the capacity not to be a friggin' retard.
But that's is what is wrong with you, you never do in fact check !!!
and when you say 'different' (on the basis of not actually knowing) what can you mean, that one translation proscribes what another recomments ???????????????? We know the BIble of the Founding
THE GENEVA BIBLE
"We all have the right to decide what religious beliefs, if any, to hold and practice. Government officials have no business intruding on these deeply personal religious matters," reads a Thursday statement from the ACLU.
"Unless, of course, those 'religious matters' are fake or involve drugs."
The ACLU has some really uneducated hacks. That specific "we have the right to decide" is Jewish/Christian , you could not even say that in a Muslim culture. But ACLU is an embarrassment for educated folk
Emma , you post a lot of unhinged stuff ????
You say, in a seeminly objective say, the choices are X and not-X , when in fact that isn't even the way it is looked at legally
So on Bible and such in the classroom
" But even if its purpose is not strictly religious, it is sought to be accomplished through readings, without comment, from the Bible. Surely the place of the Bible as an instrument of religion cannot be gainsaid, and the State's recognition of the pervading religious character of the ceremony is evident from the rule's specific permission . . . permitting nonattendance at the exercises. None of these factors is consistent with the contention that the Bible is here used either as an instrument for nonreligious moral inspiration or as a reference for the teaching of secular subjects."
Supreme Court in Schempp
It certainly may be said that the Bible is worthy of study for its literary and historic qualities. Nothing we have said here indicates that such study of the Bible or of religion, when presented objectively as part of a secular program of education, may not be effected consistently with the First Amendment. IBID
TOCQUEVILLE
Settled, common religious beliefs about morality are especially necessary, Tocqueville argues, for “free countries.” Without such beliefs, men are faced with a kind of intellectual and moral chaos that renders them incapable of preserving their freedom. “When religion is destroyed in a people,” he claims, “doubt takes hold of the highest portions of the intellect and half paralyzes all the others.” As a result, each citizen comes to have only “confused and changing notions” about the most important questions—such as the nature of his duties to himself, to others, and to the community.
Confronted with this uncertainty about the highest things, “one is reduced, like a coward, to not thinking about them at all.”
"A long time ago God came up with ten things he does not want you to do and if you do any of those things he will send you to a place of burning and smoke and flames and screaming and crying and suffering for ever and ever...but he needs money!" George Carlin
Carlin made jokes about terrorists that I am sure would disgust you.
Actually Catholic teaching says the opposite, that all the commandments are proscriptions of reason !!! and God giving the commandments only underlines the divine sanction of what reason says.
What part of “Do not steal” is specifically religious? What culture, even a pagan culture, does not require and enforce respect for parents and elders? In what sense is the command “not to murder” a religious command? Do non-religious people generally have no problem with murder? Similar questions come to the fore, about lying, adultery, coveting the spouse or property of others. At most times and most places in the world, there have been prohibitions against such things.
THOMAS AQUINAS ON THE
TEN COMMANDMENTS AND THE NATURAL LAW
Randall B. Smith
http://t4.stthom.edu/users/smith/portfolio/Aquinas-natual%20law.pdf
see especially ====> The Decalogue as a Revealed Articulation of the Natural Law
Leftists hate the ten commandments because they have no morality or ethics. The only ‘morality’ is whatever happens to be commanded by the Marxist state at any given time.
This is why the left hates Christianity so much. They can’t have any religion competing with theirs.
The 10 commandmenst are still displayed prominently in the Supreme Court building !! They were ubiquitous in colonial and Founding America, incl classrooms.
Tocqueville notes :
Tocqueville noted the presence of the King James Bible and Shakespeare alongside Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress in the homes of American pioneers, even on the frontier.
and let me adduce the arch-atheist Christopher Hitchens
https://circeinstitute.org/blog/blog-christopher-hitchens-was-right-about-king-james-bible/
Christopher Hitchens was right about the King James Bible
A culture that does not possess this common store of image and allegory [referring to KJV Bible] will be a perilously thin one. To seek restlessly to update it or make it “relevant” is to miss the point, like yearning for a hip-hop Shakespeare. “Man is born unto trouble as the sparks fly upward,” says the Book of Job. Want to try to improve that for Twitter?
Regardless of the many other stabs and claims he makes in his essay, his point is rather hard to dismiss. If the most articulate and rhetorically gifted atheist of the 21st century says that the KJV is the finest work of literature “second to Shakespeare” ever produced in the English language, there’s something to it. Christian or not, it is indisputable that the King James Bible (or Authorized Version, if you prefer) is something which transcends religion to becoming a cultural masterpiece, a work of art so influential in the imagination of its people that it’s difficult to calculate.
ONE FINAL NOTE: IT is people like you, Emma, that will be most surprised when 'they' come to your door. You argue against every cultural vestige of religion not realizing that the very ubiquity of that religion gave your your warrant to argue against it.
Sad
People like Little Emma will be among the first to go should the hard left democrats get their way. Got to purge the little people, like her to put everyone else in line.
The Ten Commandments that should be displayed are the Bill of Rights!
Almost all have a provenance going back to the Bible
the American practice of constitutions began with the Puritans’ Bible-inspired covenantal constitutions in New England in the 1600s Source Donald S. Lutz, “From Covenant to Constitution in American Political Thought,” in Covenant, Polity, and Constitutionalism: Publius: The Journal of Federalism, Vol. 10, No. 1, Fall 1980, eds. Daniel J. Elazar and John Kincaid (New York: U Press of America, 1980), 102.
according to Lutz’s research findings as presented in his Origins, the Bible was the most frequently cited book in the political literature of the American founding era from 1760 to 1805, surpassing all the secular writers.
And how many of those words and concepts predate the Bible, and were just coopted by Jewish and Christian scribes?
Don't be a zealot who claims that everything began with your particular tribe.
The Bible specifically says what you deny it says !!!!
IN fact your premise is wrong even by reason !!!
St Augustine in De Doctrina Christiana
CHAP. 40.--WHATEVER HAS BEEN RIGHTLY SAID BY THE HEATHEN, WE MUST APPROPRIATE TO OUR USES.
60. Moreover, if those who are called philosophers, and especially the Platonists, have said aught that is true and in harmony with our faith, we are not only not to shrink from it, but to claim it for our own use from those who have unlawful possession of it. For, as the Egyptians had not only the idols and heavy burdens which the people of Israel hated and fled from, but also vessels and ornaments of gold and silver, and garments, which the same people when going out of Egypt appropriated to themselves, designing them for a better use, not doing this on their own authority, but by the command of God, the Egyptians themselves, in their ignorance, providing them with things which they themselves were not making a good use of; (1) in the same way all branches of heathen learning have not only false and superstitious fancies and heavy burdens of unnecessary toil, which every one of us, when going out under the leadership of Christ from the fellowship of the heathen, ought to abhor and avoid; but they contain also liberal instruction which is better adapted to the use of the truth, and some most excellent precepts of morality; and some truths in regard even to the worship of the One God are found among them. Now these are, so to speak, their gold and silver, which they did not create themselves, but dug out of the mines of God's providence which are everywhere scattered abroad, and are perversely and unlawfully prostituting to the worship of devils. These, therefore, the Christian, when he separates himself in spirit from the miserable fellowship of these men, ought to take away from them, and to devote to their proper use in preaching the gospel. Their garments, also,--that is, human institutions such as are adapted to that intercourse with men which is indispensable in this life,--we must take and turn to a Christian use.
Cardinal Danielou even wrote
Holy pagans of the Old Testament
by Jean Danielou
IF you are a Muslim please admit it
Gee, the author of this article didn't seem to mind when the perverts and degenerate trans/LGBTQXYZ123 movement tried to shove their perverted ideology down children's throats, at public schools no less.
That’s (D)ifferent.
How the Bible Shaped the U.S. Bill of Rights
November 15, 2024
https://forlordandliberty.com/blogs/news/how-the-bible-shaped-the-u-s-bill-of-rights
Some awful ignoarant posting goin on here.
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"Some awful ignoarant posting goin on here."
Yes, thanks for contributing your share to the ignorance ...
Probably Emma's biggest FAIL is treating the Bill of Rights as de novo. The whole thing comes from the 20 pre-existing State Constitutions
Bills of Rights Before the Bill of Rights: Early State Constitutions and the American Tradition of Rights .
By Peter J. Galie, Christopher Bopst, Bethany Kirschner
A little thought will answer the question' Why did we even need a Bill of Rights" --- because all these rights were already in existence in the States and no one wanted the Feds to override that.
Now, if only we could get the Texas Legislature to ban all public schools and funding for public education. If they privatized high school and college athletic clubs they could make a fortune in taxes from the new enterprise while eliminating a huge tax expense, freeing enough capital for Texas to become the economic capital of the world!
"It is religiously coercive and interferes with families' right to direct children's religious education."
While the ACLU has occasionally been on the right side of liberty and freedom, this is NOT one of those times. I have frequently been exposed to the ten commandments over many years in my life so far, have read the bible, some of it several times, not to mention parts of the Q'uran and several other religious mythology screeds, and never once felt coerced by any of that exposure. Although children may feel a little more insecure than adults, the benefit side of a cost-benefit analysis here might conclude that exposure in grammar school to this nonsense would provide valuable immunization to most of those kids for later life. There is nothing that makes adults abandon their right to liberty more than fear due to ignorance.
Just a silly and poorly-written case of you proselytizing.
You recommened exposure but doubt that it will do the same to others as it did to you. So you add "valuable immunization"
This misses both the point that your post replies to and your own premise. If knowledge, reading, and understanding of culture are important then the Bible , being the most influential book in history, is no different. But you can't bring yourself to follow your own premise ....you even mention it 'due to ignorance" !!!!!
I wish what you said made any sense at all, but since it doesn't I'll just move along now.
Religion is not allowed, unless it is Islam. Only transing and communism.
No Gaia-worship or is that the old horse on the 'methadone is the new heroin is the new opium is the new naloxone is the new oxycontin of the masses' socialist carousel?
This took those redneck altruists long enough to get to. God's Own Spanish dictator Generalissimo Francisco Franco lost no time violently upending an election he lost. Italian fascist Benito Mussolini ought to have his own statue on top of the Texas Statehouse for getting papist brainwashers access to government schoolchildren via Lateran treaties and truancy laws. Restoring burning crosses to the Capitol grounds is next on Grand Goblin Greg's 2025 Jesus Caucus agenda. https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2024/11/20/religious-collectivism-2024/
Yeah,,,,,, I knew your anti Christian bigoted senile ass would be here to attack Christianity.
You’re pinko filth Hank.