Trump's War on Law Firms Fails

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Judge puts the kibosh on Trump's attempt to silence a law firm: Yesterday, Judge Richard J. Leon of the Federal District Court for the District of Columbia struck down President Donald Trump's executive order targeting the law firm WilmerHale. "Judges have already rejected similarly punitive executive orders aimed at the firms Perkins Coie and Jenner & Block, and lawyers representing Susman Godfrey asked a fourth judge earlier this month to issue a final decision in their case," notes The New York Times, but many firms—Willkie Farr & Gallagher; Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom; Milbank; Kirkland & Ellis; Latham & Watkins; A&O Shearman; Simpson Thacher & Bartlett; and Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft—have struck deals with the administration, typically forcing them to provide a certain amount of pro bono legal work related to causes that the Trump administration supports.

WilmerHale originally attracted Trump's attention because it had represented "inspectors general alleging that President Trump improperly fired them; the House of Representatives Committee on Ways and Means in litigation resulting in President Trump's disclosure of his personal tax returns; the Joe Biden and Kamala Harris campaigns in election litigation; and the Democratic National Committee and state-level Democratic Party organizations in lawsuits brought by the Donald Trump campaign challenging the results of the 2020 presidential election," reads the ruling. And Robert S. Mueller, who led investigations into possible Russian interference in the 2016 election, has also had a longstanding affiliation with WilmerHale, returning to the firm time and time again during breaks from government service over the last 32 years.

Another federal judge STRIKES DOWN Trump's order targeting a law firm for political retribution — this time, using exclamation marks twice in the introduction to emphasize that the executive order is against the Founding Fathers' vision.

Doc https://t.co/p7aOo6wZ5O pic.twitter.com/RhG1ubRbIQ

— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) May 27, 2025

The order would have directed federal agencies to cancel all contracts with WilmerHale and would have barred WilmerHale employees from being hired by the federal government or communicating with government employees. Lawyers with the firm would have been banned from entering any and all federal buildings—including courthouses.

"In his opinion, Judge Leon colorfully dismissed assertions by the government that its targeting of WilmerHale was something routine and apolitical, brushing off the notion with a brusque 'please—that dog won't hunt!'" per The New York Times.

"Taken together, the provisions constitute a staggering punishment for the firm's protected speech," reads the ruling. "The order is intended to, and does in fact, impede the firm's ability to effectively represent its clients! For example, WilmerHale attorneys may not be able to enter federal courthouses for trial, meet with federal regulators, or access classified materials necessary for working on national security matters."

It's a pretty blunt dismissal of Trump's attempt to wield the power of the state against a disfavored law firm. And these attacks on law firms are some of the most egregious antispeech actions yet. "The firms targeted by executive orders and memoranda seem to stand accused of…being lawyers," write Greg Lukianoff and Adam Goldstein on Substack. "That is, providing representation to someone who needed it."

"A president attempting to sanction law firms for nothing more than providing representation to opposing parties undermines the rule of law by acting as an implicit threat to law firms: Help the people who disagree with me, and you're an enemy of the United States," they add.

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Scenes from New York: A wild subheadline: "Justin Brannan, a city comptroller candidate, expressed remorse for decades-old messages where he appeared to use the Columbine shootings to promote his band." (Gotta love the media trend of saying appeared to use when he…totally did the thing that's alleged.)

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Comments

[Fist of Etiquette]

Judge puts the kibosh on Trump's attempt to silence a law firm...

They're just attorneys in robes!

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

“using exclamation marks twice”

That’s how you know the judge is impartial.

[Bubba Jones]

Your exclamation mark is an affront to the Founding Fathers!

Oh no! I did it again!

WTF is wrong with these clowns?

[damikesc]

I am still amazed that judges believe they have the power to determine who gets security clearance.

[Dillinger]

edge of my seat for someone to Andrew Jackson up the place and demand enforcement.

[damikesc]

Trump is giving Roberts tons of chances to rectify the problem. Roberts is part of the problem. He needs to be put in his place.

[Dillinger]

idk how that happens other than one giant "bring it, Johnny"

[Social Justice is neither]

There are answers of many calibers but most of the peaceful options require the judiciary to see their own culpability.

[Dillinger]

comes down to Sotomayor remembering the ghost of Scalia and being an adult then because Judge Amy is power mad and Roberts is the judicial mouthpiece of the deep state ... there's always a potential five-bloc

[Fist of Etiquette]

Never argue with someone who buys ink by the barrel? That's been replaced with never go after a profession that produces gavel-swingers.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

CBC asks and brags about YouTube shutting down political YouTube show in Canada that was getting more views than them.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/just-gone-it-never-existed-youtube-nukes-top-canadian-political-account-after-state

[Don't look at me! (#1 on the “muted” list!)]

PrIvAtE cOmPaNy!

[Randy Sax]

Look up Canadian bill C10. Not the private company's fault in this case.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Who knew that the "true north strong and free" applied specifically to the nannies who run the Canadian government?

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

Truckers?

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

That’s the joke.

Unless you were posting under a different name you weren’t around back before everyone admitted that the US government was involved in all the internet censorship. Us Mean Girls saw it as obvious what was happening, while Reason and the usual leftists were cool with the censorship because they claimed it was just private companies acting in their own self interest to piss off half their customer base, while also aligning completely with the Democrats who were calling for censoring the same people being censored.

And when it became too obvious what was happening, they all just did a 180 and pretended they never supported the censorship.

That episode was also one of the causes of “FACTS CHANGED!”

[Don't look at me! (#1 on the “muted” list!)]

This guy gets it.

[Randy Sax]

I hate being the one the joke has to be explained to.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

Don’t feel bad. It’s gotta be hard to imagine a bunch of people who claim to be libertarian supporting censorship.

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

Except at Reason, right Boehm, Bailey, and Sullum?

[Jefferson Paul]

When someone capitalizes every other letter in a word or phrase you can take the intention to be sarcastic.

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

Unless it's Sqrlsy or Pluggo. Then they're just deranged.

[Eeyore]

It became so blatantly obvious 5 or 6 years ago and mainstream media was in hard denial that it was happening.

[Fist of Etiquette]

...the Federal District Court for the District of Columbia struck down President Donald Trump's executive order targeting the law firm WilmerHale.

Tariff them bitches then.

[Eeyore]

Instruct the security agencies giving them secure memos to invent plausible false reports.

This is the order removing their security clearances correct? I don't understand how a court has any say in this.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

And another Eric/sarc/shrike/STG apocalypse prediction shatters. Poor guys.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/soft-data-soars-dallas-fed-manufacturers-uncertainty-plunged-may

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/despite-mainstream-panic-us-consumer-price-inflation-tumbles-lowest-over-4-years

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

Oh no. Another piece of bad news for the economic apocalypse crew.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-05-27/us-consumer-confidence-jumps-most-in-four-years-on-trade-truce

[Medulla Oblongata]

Wall Street Bets the Worst of Trump’s Trade War Is Behind It

Dow gains more than 700 points after the U.S. and EU made progress on trade talks

https://www.wsj.com/finance/stocks/trump-tariff-trade-war-eu-markets-55c1c54e?mod=hp_lead_pos3

[Stupid Government Tricks]

Yah, because economic ripples are instantaneous. Jesse hits a new low.

Show a cite where I predicted the opposite. You can't, because I didn't.

[sarcasmic]

You mean Jesse is arguing against things nobody said nor did? Wow. I'm shocked. First time for everything I guess.

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

Project much?

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

You both lie about your past predictio s and comments. Seems he is picking up your bad habits.

Meanwhile both of you attacked anyone laughing at your hysterics.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

Past data is not future predictions. I made no predictions. I asked about past data.

The distinction eludes you.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Yah, because economic ripples are instantaneous. Jesse hits a new low.

LOL, you were the one who asked me about the cost of groceries a couple of weeks ago and said the high cost of vehicles was due to the tariffs. Don't try to act like you weren't asleep from 2020-2024.

This is you simply shifting the goalposts because your predictions aren't coming to fruition.

[sarcasmic]

Trump's tariffs have increased the price of cars. By thousands of dollars in some cases.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Always believe what GM says.

[sarcasmic]

Always believe what Trump says.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

How about believe actual data. Something you and STG struggle with.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

You mean past data, like your idiot cousin thinks is a prediction? Oh wait, you think past data is a prediction too.

How about explain all Trump's tariff inconsistencies? Still can't explain them, can you?

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Yeah, I realize the auto companies are going to use the tariffs as an excuse for doing what they wanted to do anyway, which is keep their already sky-high prices in place.

This shit was going on long before the tariffs.

[sarcasmic]

You understand that When Democrats increase taxes on businesses, that's a cost that gets passed on to customers in the form of higher prices.

Why does your brain shut off when Trump increases taxes on businesses?

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

You continue to be ignorant to reality. Tariffs get divided into multiple steps of costs from importers to suppliers. Despite giving you and STG multiple examples and historical data you still are ignorant to reality.

Why hasn't PPI or CPI surged retard?

[Stupid Government Tricks]

Let's just make a guess that car wholesale prices are half retail prices.

That means a 10% tariff raises car prices by 5%.

Too complicated for you?

[Quicktown Brix]

If the feds are collecting money, it has to come from somewhere. No one in China etc. is sending a check to the US.

Foreign manufacturers may reduce their price someone to offset reduced sales: This hurts the exporting nation's manufacturers. Otherwise, they pay by reduced demand, but in any case, none of the tariff is directly paid by the exporters, that is, no money is handed to the tax collector.

The importer pays the tariff (sends the check to the feds), and in every case I'm aware of, passes that fee on to the retailer/manufacturer that is importing the item in the case of 3rd party importers

The importer recoups their fee from the retailer. Pass it on.

US retailers may absorb some/all of the tariff they pay. Even if retailers can and do eat the cost, that is loss of profit (US economic activity) or ability to invest in more manufacturing, employees and investments. It is a new additional cost of business

For the most part, the costs are passed on to the consumers in the form of increased prices.

Why hasn't PPI or CPI surged retard?

It takes time, but even without price rises, the economy is taking a hit by definition.

The debate is whether the price of tariffs is worth the benefits, not whether or not there is a cost to tariffs. There is, again, by definition.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

No they haven't. This was shown to use when Eric tried making the claim. You know the article where Eric added words Subaru didn't say and price creases were actually under the increases of the prior few years?

Fucking moron.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

Yeah, was that the one where he said the price rise was 8% and the tariff was 10% so it couldn't have been the tariff? I asked if you or he knew the difference between wholesale and retail, and you called me a moron then too.

So I guess you don't know the difference, you can't do simple arithmetic, and you can't explain Trump's (and your) tariff inconsistencies.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

Bunch of dipshits today with the low hanging fruit.

Prices have risen, and tariffs have been a large part of that, because that is the point of protective tariffs, to raise prices high enough that people buy domestic products instead of imports. You guys were mighty quiet when prices did rise, and when they stabilized — note stabilized, not went back down — you idiots crowed that prices weren't rising.

How fucking disingenuous.

Here, let me repeat some basic economic truths for you which show how deranged Trump is about tariffs. You cannot refute these, and I know it because none of you ever do. You just crow about tariffs coming back down to 30% from 145%, as if switching to a wood wall from a brick wall to bang your head against feels better.

Go ahead. I'll check back. None of you can rebut any of this. You're all liars and apologists for idiocy.

Trump doesn't know what tariffs are and he doesn't know what he wants to do with them.

* He wants to protect domestic industry; onshore it. That requires raising tariffs so high that no one buys imports, and never lowering them.

* He wants to replace the income tax with tariffs revenue. That's impossible if tariffs are high enough to block imports to protect domestic industry.

* He is using high tariffs as a bargaining weapon to force reciprocal tariffs. That requires the possibility of lowering tariffs, which prevents blocking imports to protect domestic industry.

* He is using high tariffs to force trade deals with zero tariffs, which prevents blocking imports to protect domestic industry.

[Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)]

"You're all liars and apologists for idiocy."

All right, you can fuck off with that. It's obvious what Trump is doing, it's been pointed out to you.
You want not to believe it, that's fine. But don't try to misrepresent what we think Trump is doing.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

He has to go with the Trump cultists narrative just like sarc. Because he has consistently been wrong.

Even when given links to some of us talking about this issue since Obama, pointing to historical data, etc.

It is all he can do after being so wrong.

[Quicktown Brix]

It's obvious what Trump is doing,

It's not obvious to me. What is he doing?

[Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)]

Don't be disingenuous.
I know you and I have discussed how Trump’s tariffs, while punitive, are always reciprocal—they're always imposed in response to existing tariffs or unfair trade practices against the U.S. And once the other country agrees to remove its preexisting tariffs, Trump consistently suspends his in return.

It amazes me how somehow Trump is somehow the villain for starting a reciprocal tariff war and not the country that has been tariffing US goods for who knows how long.

It is obvious to me that Trump is using tariffs to end international tariffs on the US.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

Plus, just for you, a special answer.

Your first paragraph is about my comments on what already happened.

Your second paragraph calls them failed predictions.

Do you even know the difference between past prices and future predictions?

Are you really that dumb, that you think you said something clever, and you really got me in a contradiction?

Yeah, by your own evidence, you really are.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

You guys were mighty quiet when prices did rise, and when they stabilized — note stabilized, not went back down — you idiots crowed that prices weren't rising.

Prices were already high before then, you slack-jawed, slope-foreheaded retard. You really think no one noticed any kind of inflation going on during the last four years.

Most of this handwaving is just smoke for the fact that you think high prices started up a month and a half ago. Literally nothing you're claiming here is connected to history or reality.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

Oh, now you admit prices rose, but it's Biden's fault. Hey bud, who moved the goalposts there, some ghostwriter?

You still haven't explained how tariffs can tax imports without raising the prices of imports.

You can't, and you won't. You'll just shift your goalposts again.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

LOL, you're the one claiming inflation is all Trump's fault, don't get pissed because your dialectic came up short.

There is zero correlation between inflation rates and tariff rates in this nation's history. The one time a tariff did have that kind of impact, it caused deflation, not inflation.

That's why you're doing this neocon-tier "yur da reel goalpost shiftur" tactic.

[sarcasmic]

Dude, will you stop flogging that strawman?

No one, I repeat no one ever said that tariffs effect inflation rates. If you made a graph of prices over time, the slope of the curve is the inflation rate. What tariffs do it shift the curve upwards. Meaning that at any time the prices will be higher due to the tariffs. Tariffs do not effect inflation rates. Nobody ever said they did. But they do increase prices. Your argument is not a gotcha. It's a textbook strawman.

You're being a Jesse and arguing against something no one ever said. Please stop. You're better than that.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

What. The. Actual. Fuck.

You've said that for months retard.

How do you fuckers lie so easily? It was those you hate informing you tariffs were at most an impulse, one time event. You and stg kept screaming inflation along with qb, Eric, and others.

And even when the impulse didn't occur, based on reasons we told you about, you continue to claim it did.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

Still refuse to rebut this, don't you? Afraid to try, aren't you? Impossible for all these to be true, but Trump says they are all true, and your brain locked into denial mode. TDS, or maybe TTDS.

Trump doesn't know what tariffs are and he doesn't know what he wants to do with them.

* He wants to protect domestic industry; onshore it. That requires raising tariffs so high that no one buys imports, and never lowering them.

* He wants to replace the income tax with tariff revenue. That's impossible if tariffs are high enough to block imports to protect domestic industry.

* He is using high tariffs as a bargaining weapon to force reciprocal tariffs. That requires the possibility of lowering tariffs, which prevents blocking imports to protect domestic industry.

* He is using high tariffs to force trade deals with zero tariffs, which prevents blocking imports to protect domestic industry.

[Quicktown Brix]

You and stg kept screaming inflation along with qb, Eric, and others.

I said tariffs cause increased prices. I admit I have sloppily use the term "inflation" to refer to price increases as even most economists do this, but technically it's not inflation. Inflation is measured in the rate of price increases, tariffs only cause one-time price increase.

So if I may speak for Sarc, he means tariffs don't cause the rate of prices to rise more rapidly, but instead cause a one-time bump that lasts the duration of the tariff. You won't see it in the CPI beyond that bump.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

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Dude, will you stop flogging that strawman?

No one, I repeat no one ever said that tariffs effect inflation rates.

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I said tariffs cause increased prices. I admit I have sloppily use the term "inflation" to refer to price increases as even most economists do this,

Poor sarc.

[Quicktown Brix]

The key word is rate.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

If you made a graph of prices over time, the slope of the curve is the inflation rate. What tariffs do it shift the curve upwards. Meaning that at any time the prices will be higher due to the tariffs.

If that was true, it would have done so during periods when most of the government's revenue came from tariffs. But prices were largely static from the 1800s up until the Depression.

What caused our decades-long inflation to take place has been the decoupling of the dollar from the gold standard and the financialization of the American economy through the ongoing injection of liquidity. This has happened regardless of where the tariff rate has been, or who they've been targeted towards.

[sarcasmic]

If that was true, it would have done so during periods when most of the government's revenue came from tariffs.

Revenue tariffs must necessarily be small if they're going to generate revenue. They can't raise prices too much or people won't buy the stuff and generate revenue.

Trump is not implementing revenue tariffs. He's implementing protectionist tariffs. Protectionist tariffs protect businesses by raising prices so high that people choose not to buy the imports. The entire point of protectionist tariffs is to raise prices. They take that price/time curve and shift it upwards.

During periods when we had a much smaller federal government that got most of its revenue from tariffs, the rates were low. They had to be or people wouldn't buy the stuff and they wouldn't generate revenue.

Surely you're intelligent enough to see the difference.

Jesse isn't. But you are. Aren't you? Maybe you are as stupid as that cretin and I gave you too much credit. Which would be my fault.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

He is literally implementing tariffs for multiple reasons, one of them is revenue dumb fuck. Him and beasent have both stated this with the 16B generated last month.

This is especially ironic as you continue to demand income taxes be raises to twice the cost of tariffs.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

I never said inflation was all Trump's fault, and I have expressly said that tariffs don't raise inflation, because inflation is purely money supply, with prices just being one symptom.

Cite me. Show where I said what you say I said. You can't. You're lying again. Your dodging the questions again.

* Do you understand the difference between past data and future predictions?

* Can you explain Trump's tariff inconsistencies?

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

You've been spazzing out for weeks claiming that the tariffs were going to send prices soaring. When it was pointed out to you that prices were already high, you deflected with comments like that stupid "seen the price of groceries lately" retort, as if the cost of groceries hadn't already gone way up.

* Do you understand the difference between past data and future predictions?

Do you understand the difference between pretending you're a sage and actually making accurate predictions?

* Can you explain Trump's tariff inconsistencies?

Can you explain why the tariffs aren't destroying the economy?

[sarcasmic]

Dude, I asked you this but you didn't answer. So I'm going to ask again.

You understand that when Democrats raise taxes on businesses, those businesses pass that cost on to customers in the form of higher prices. We can agree on this, right?

Why is it somehow different when Trump raises taxes on businesses? Because that's what tariffs are. They're a tax that is paid in one lump sum at the port or wherever the goods are coming into the country. It's an expense. You import $100,000 worth of widgets from China and the tariff rate is 145%, you have to pay $145,000 to Customs to get your stuff.

Why do tariff costs not get passed along in the form of higher prices? Other than the man increasing the taxes, what's the difference?

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

God damn you're a lying dishonest fuck sarc.

You're now retreating to the argument we've been telling you and stg for months. Regulatory costs and domestic taxes dwarf any effect from these tariffs.

God damn you two are clowns.

That is what I can point to the cost increases from regulations while you can't point to the signals from tariffs.

You also continue to ignore actual data studies such as consumers only seeing around 2% of the estimates from tariffs. Rest gets divided to importers and suppliers.

Again there multiple variables in effect at any given time intl the economy. You and stg continue to believe economics is a simplified linear model with independent variables.

This is why I continue to point out how dumb you two are on the subject.

Every one of your claims has been proven wrong. Yet you continue to claim you are correct. How about realizing you're wrong and trying to educate yourselves?

[sarcasmic]

Dude, everything is Biden's fault. When Trump signed the CARES Act and pumped a fuckton of cash into the economy, that caused Bidenflation. When prices rose as a result of Trump's tariffs, that's still Bidenflation. Three years from now Trump defenders will still be blaming Biden.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

This is what you now sound like STG. Flailing for anything when you're proven wrong. Instead of admitting your understanding of theory may not be as deep as you assume.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

CPI and PPI dropped from levels under Biden. He thinks this proves his assertion. It is fucking wild.

Keep doubling down STG. You dont look retarded at all.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

Inflation rate dropping is not prices dropping.

That's a pretty difficult concept, and I'm sorry to stress your brain over that.

Meanwhile, answer the questions instead of dodging them and changing the subject:

* Do you understand that past data is not future predictions?

* Can you explain Trump's tariff inconsistencies?

[sarcasmic]

Inflation rate dropping is not prices dropping.

That's way too much for Jesse's retarded brain to handle. Red Rocks is smart enough to understand that. I think. But not Jesse. He's that loudmouth stupid bully who thinks he's smart because his mommy told him so.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

Look STG. Your strawman convinced king strawman.

What a retarded set of know nothings you two are lol.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

God damn retard. Where did I use the word price in my post. You're fuckng more pathetic than sarc.

Are you even aware that the current economic theory you support has a set goal of 2% inflation? Bases on your fucking strawman you dont.

Your two questions are retarded.

Past data can be mined for signals. If you can't find a signal, you can't make a prediction. You continue to make predictions despite no signals in past or current data. Because you're a fucking moron.

There are multiple reasons for tariffs, not just one. I've given you speeches explaining this from Bessent and others. You're too dumb to understand anything of any depth.

Ask yourself why my predictions of no disruption were correct while yours continue to be wrong?

Explain why there is no signal in the data?

You're just fucking ignorant.

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

You need to drop the last two words from your handle, TDS-addled shitpile.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

You need new material. Wassamatta, scriptwriters go on strike?

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

God you're fucking retarded.

The US goal is 2% inflation. Under Biden it was well over 3%, 21% in 4 years.

Right now PPI and CPI are under the last 4 years growth. There is no signal but you're so full of shit you want to blame tariffs. Lol.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

Still unclear on the concept of 2% inflation still raising prices?

Why yes you are. Let me know when Trump brings inflation down to 0%. Meanwhile, Trump's tariffs will still have increased prices, and here's a factoid for you -- if his tariffs raised import prices 10% last month, they were still that same 10% high this month and will be next month. The rate of increase went to 0%, but the prices are still higher because of Trump's tariffs.

Here, let me refresh your memory on what you refuse to discuss.

Trump doesn't know what tariffs are and he doesn't know what he wants to do with them.

* He wants to protect domestic industry; onshore it. That requires raising tariffs so high that no one buys imports, and never lowering them.

* He wants to replace the income tax with tariff revenue. That's impossible if tariffs are high enough to block imports to protect domestic industry.

* He is using high tariffs as a bargaining weapon to force reciprocal tariffs. That requires the possibility of lowering tariffs, which prevents blocking imports to protect domestic industry.

* He is using high tariffs to force trade deals with zero tariffs, which prevents blocking imports to protect domestic industry.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

He has gone fill sarc. Will never admit he was wrong. And those of us telling him the actual outcomes are the ones he thinks are wrong still.

He will never admit his failed simplified bumper sticker understanding of economics is wrong. Even when we pointed out the historical data. It is amazing the hubris he has.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

Still can't rebut me, can you?

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

You really are getting as retarded as sarc aren't you? Now denying all your past failed predictions. Also going to "ripples" so that at any time if anything happens you can declare success. Lol.

God damn. You really are the climate alarmist of economics.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

You too think past data is future predictions.

Still can't rebut me.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

You can't hate media enough as corporate media worries about the Free Palestine movement after the shootings in D.C. Last week.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2025/05/media-worries-murders-of-israeli-embassy-staffers-could-hurt-palestinian-cause/

[Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)]

Norm McDonald was right

I'm going to start a new group
"72 virgins for every palistienian organization"

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

I hope some of those virgins are trans.

BTW, if a tranny previously had sex but now has a fabulous new cooch, is it a virgin again?

[Ska]

Are they getting a new hymen to go with their bussy? Bymen?

[Vernon Depner]

I dunno, but I would bet that the number of those fabulous new cooches that has actually had a penis in it is tiny or zero.

[Fist of Etiquette]

...forcing them to provide a certain amount of pro bono legal work related to causes that the Trump administration supports.

Who are they representing pro bono then? Parents of girl athletes? Hobby Lobby?

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

Paying off hookers?

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Insurectiony protestors?

[Anomalous]

Nice law firm you got there. It'd be a shame if anything were to happen to it.

[Vernon Depner]

It would be wonderful if something happened to most of them.

[Eeyore]

People who couldn't get a cake baked?

[Vernon Depner]

Cake is a fundamental human right.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

And pervert cake is even more human rightier.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

LA, already billions in the hole, approves homeless programs including one that spends 7k per month per homeless person.

https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/la-city-council-oks-14b-budget-keeps-7k-homeless-month

[Don't look at me! (#1 on the “muted” list!)]

Cheapskates. You can’t live on 7k a month in LA!

[Vernon Depner]

But you can fly first class to El Salvador for that much.

[Randy Sax]

95% of the money goes to bureaucrats and committees and lawyers and comptrollers. The other 5% goes to buying clean needles.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Yup. So the corrected phrase is "spending $7k per month per government bureaucrat and NGO worker."

[Eeyore]

Don't forget San Francisco was going to pay a firm something like 100k-200k per year per tent to provide tents to the homeless. Pure grift.

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

Wealth transfer from the taxpayers to their family and friends. Sort of like Robin Hood, but in reverse.

[Fist of Etiquette]

It's a pretty blunt dismissal of Trump's attempt to wield the power of the state against a disfavored law firm.

No harm in trying, though. Literally.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

Another Harvard tenured professor found yo have manipulated data for her research. How will we survive without funding this manipulation with billions in taxpayer funds a year?

https://nypost.com/2025/05/27/us-news/harvard-professor-of-honesty-stripped-of-tenure-fired-for-manipulating-data-in-studies/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social

Hope PE enters the thread screaming hill of attainder and ex post factory again. Two terms he doesn't understand the meaning of.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Hey, forcing some brave, oppressed professor of honesty to actually tell the truth is sexist.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

Worst genocide ever. Hamas threatens Israeli aid stations. Why would they do that?

https://legalinsurrection.com/2025/05/israeli-military-sets-up-aid-distribution-centers-in-gaza-despite-threats-from-hamas/

[Medulla Oblongata]

UN and NGOs mad about joint US-Israel aid plans...

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/23/middleeast/gaza-food-aid-looting-desperation-intl

The UN’s aid chief, Tom Fletcher, said last week that time should not be wasted on an alternative Gaza aid plan, writing on X: “To those proposing an alternative modality for aid distribution, let’s not waste time: We already have a plan.”

On Friday, the Bakery Owners Association in Gaza announced that bakeries would refuse to operate “in light of the difficult circumstances facing the Gaza Strip,” calling on the WFP to distribute flour to families first.

Late Thursday night, 30 aid trucks in southern and central Gaza were attacked and vandalized, according to Nahid Shuheiber, the head of the transport association in the territory. In Deir Al-Balah, armed gangs opened fire on the trucks and looted them, he said. When local security teams, backed by Hamas, arrived to secure the convoy, Hamas’ Government Media Office said multiple Israeli strikes targeted the site, killing six.

In a statement to CNN, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said that an aircraft struck “several gunmen, including Hamas terrorists” next to humanitarian aid trucks in central Gaza. “The aircraft struck the gunmen following the identification. It should be emphasized that the aid was not harmed as a result of the strike,” the IDF said.

[Medulla Oblongata]

"Behold the BBC’s Jeremy Bowen on the Today programme this morning. In tones of such world-weary vanity, he insisted Israel should be working with the UN, not the US. After all, there were only ‘a dozen or so cases’ of UNRWA being ‘infiltrated by Hamas’, he said, with the breeziness of someone ordering a caramel latte.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/05/27/israels-latest-crime-feeding-the-people-of-gaza/

Israel is behaving criminally again. It has once more turned its nose up at ‘humanitarian principles’. It is trampling even harder than usual all over international law. What inhuman act has the pariah state committed now? Brace yourselves: it is seeking to feed the people of Gaza.

This is the news that the Jewish State, in tandem with the US, has launched the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation. Its aim is to get foodstuffs and other essentials to the benighted people of the war-ravaged Gaza Strip. You would think the activist class would be pleased at this news. They’ve been renting their garments for months over an alleged tyranny of famine in Gaza, which they say is the worst case of ‘urban starvation’ since ‘the siege of Leningrad’. Alas, you would be wrong. They hate this initiative. Why? Because Israel is behind it, and in their twisted minds, so addled by Israelophobia, everything Israel does is evil.

It is reported that Israel’s aim is to set up four secure distribution sites in central and southern Gaza. Israeli forces, assisted by private military contractors from the US, will oversee the safe provision of food to the neediest Gazans who have fled the fierce fighting in the north of the strip. Israel’s hope is that armed guards will deter Hamas from looting the aid and hawking it on the black market to boost the coffers of its fascistic war against the Jewish nation, as has happened many times in the past 18 months.

What’s really bugging the anti-Israeli elites is that this uppity little state has the temerity to circumvent the UN. Israel outlawed UNRWA, the UN’s Palestinian-assisting wing, in Gaza and the West Bank following revelations that some UNRWA employees were involved in Hamas’s pogrom of 7 October 2023. Its new humanitarian foundation is designed precisely to get around UN mechanisms and put grub and drugs directly into the hands of Gazans who need them. To some of us, this makes sense – UNRWA is a profoundly morally compromised institution. But to the army of influencers who hate Israel, it is tantamount to blasphemy.

[Vernon Depner]

Do we have any information about how many Hamas fighters are actually Palestinians?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Justin Brannan, a city comptroller candidate, expressed remorse for decades-old messages where he appeared to use the Columbine shootings to promote his band.

Did his band kill though?

[Don't look at me! (#1 on the “muted” list!)]

There song was rising to #1 with a bullet!

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

It's #1 on the AK-47 this week.

[Super Scary]

He later apologized for naming his band "Abortion Holocaust".

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

10 million aborted fetuses on line 2...

[Eeyore]

Don't apologize for that shit.

[Medulla Oblongata]

"To summarize, the IRS must disclose limited taxpayer identity information (e.g., the taxpayer’s name and address) to assist another agency in criminal investigations and proceedings, if the agency has satisfied the statutory prerequisites in its written request."

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/05/13/dhs-lands-legal-victory-irs-data-sharing-case-win-american-people-and-common-sense

DHS Lands Legal Victory in IRS Data Sharing Case: “Win for the American People and for Common Sense”
U.S. District Court blocks injunction request by activist legal groups seeking to prevent DHS from working with the IRS to enforce immigration laws

WASHINGTON – The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) secured an initial legal victory and released the following statement on Monday night’s decision by the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia denying an injunction that would have prevented DHS and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) from partnering to help U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) access information to better enforce criminal immigration laws.

[Vernon Depner]

Is anyone's address a secret anymore? All you need is my real name and Google to instantly find my home address, mailing address, email, voter registration, age, place of employment, and more.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

"Place of employment"? What's that?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Inside the rise of "trade crime." Hint: It's a response to tariffs.

Are we going to have to tariff the black market now?

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

I thought he already slapped a tarrif on cartel fentanyl?

[Eeyore]

He isn't thinking in true 4d chess.

The US government needs to start smuggling fentanil into Canada and use that profit to pay to prevent fentanil use in the US.

[Vernon Depner]

The only way to tax the black market is with a consumption tax. People who make their money in the black market end up spending most of it at legal businesses.

http://fairtax.org

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

Lol. Great DEI hires.

Susan Crabtree
@susancrabtree
#BREAKING AND EXCLUSIVE:
@RCPolitics
has obtained video of the fight between two women Secret Service Uniformed Division Officers outside former President Obama's residence last week after one officer called a supervisor to come before "I whoop this girl's ass."

The skirmish is raising new questions about whether DEI is still plaguing the USSS despite Trump's directive to abolish it.

The Secret Service has not responded to my inquiries on whether these two officers are being disciplined and/or are still on the job.
Video

https://x.com/susancrabtree/status/1927394294949671141

[Idaho-Bob]

And I thought banging (and trying to stiff) a bunch of Columbian hookers was the worst Obama's SS could do.

[Randy Sax]

I think there is an old Rogan bit about this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVWi74v6_L0

[Medulla Oblongata]

Another take, with video!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14754731/Obama-female-secret-service-agents-fight-DC.html

[mad.casual]

You can take the community organizer out of the corrupt, violent, rigged, sociopathic Chicago Machine culture but you can't take the corrupt, violent, rigged, sociopathic Chicago Machine culture out of the community organizer.

[Super Scary]

Are Secret Service agents even trained in whoopin' ass? I figured they just shoot at most problems.

[Vernon Depner]

I am in favor of Obama having incompetent Secret Service protection.

[Fist of Etiquette]

President Trump is now threatening to withhold funds from California, saying the state's government has not complied with the federal executive order barring transgender athletes from competing in women's sports.

California has been ordered to facilitate the release of the ladyboys from H.S. track events.

[Bubba Jones]

I cannot imagine why this is a federal issue.

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

Title IX.

[DesigNate]

Can you imagine this pushing California Dems in the House and Senate to side with Republicans in eliminating the DoEd?

That would be hilarious.

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

And Reason would whine about it even though the elimination of the DoEd has been a libertarian goal since 1979.

[DesigNate]

Gotta hit that OrangeManBad quota for Daddy Koch and his buddy Soros.

[Eeyore]

This is the way.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Unfortunately, France's lower house of parliament passed a bill yesterday that would allow assisted suicide for people facing certain incurable conditions.

Is being a frog curable?

[Don't look at me! (#1 on the “muted” list!)]

Or getting slapped in the face by your wife?

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

She was just cleaning the smudge off his face like all grandmas do.

[Bubba Jones]

Up next, RFK suicides autistic internet trolls.

Reason commenters hardest hit.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Only if kissed by a real princess. Tranny princes do not count.

[Eeyore]

The only acceptable legal forms of suicide should be Ättestupa and Seppuku. With exceptions for native Inuit people, they can go out on ice flows and/or find a hungry polar bear.

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

Or if it's Stephen Abootman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_on_Strike

[Jefferson Paul]

Unfortunately, France's lower house of parliament passed a bill yesterday that would allow assisted suicide for people facing certain incurable conditions.

Is being a frog curable?

No, but the only manner of assisted suicide allowed by this bill is to be put in a pot with the water temperature slowly increasing until boiling. The French won't notice so they won't jump out of the pot.

[Medulla Oblongata]

SCOTUS refuses to take up case on student punished for wearing "There are two genders" T-shirt and "There are CENSORED genders" T-shirt.

Alito & Thomas issue scathing dissent.

"We should reaffirm the bedrock principle that a school may not engage in viewpoint discrimination when it regulates student speech. Tinker itself made that clear," Alito wrote. "Curiously, however, the First Circuit declined to follow Tinker in this regard, instead cherry-picking which First Amendment principles it thought worthy of allowing through the schoolhouse gates."

"By limiting the application of our viewpoint-discrimination cases, the decision below robs a great many students of that core First Amendment protection," he added.

"Here, the school actively promotes its view about gender through posters and ‘Pride’ events, and it encourages students to wear clothing with messages on the same topic—so long as that clothing expresses the school’s preferred views on the subject,"

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

Alito and Thomas have been going off on the rest of the justices lately. Mostly a rebuke yo Roberts.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

The Dread Limp-wristed Totally-not-a-pirate Robers?

[Mickey Rat]

Students have freedom of speech, except in questioning LGBTQ+ holy doctrine.

[I, Woodchipper]

Get rid of public schools. Problem solved.

[Vernon Depner]

Students should not have free speech while at school. Those precedents should be overturned. School uniforms solve a lot of these problems.

[Jefferson Paul]

They don't have free speech while at school. It's limited. But if the school is going to allow speech that affirms one position, it can't bar students from speaking the counter position. Because the school promotes infinite genders and allows students to wear shirts affirming that, the school can't restrict another student from wearing a shirt countering that. At least, that's how it should be, and would be if there were more justices like Thomas and Alito, and fewer female justices.

[Fist of Etiquette]

this is especially funny because he came here to remind america that canada belongs to england, but the first thing he explained is canada actually belongs to a nearly extinct ancient tribal people.

Just like whatever tribe King Chuck was on about, England no longer exists either.

[Don't look at me! (#1 on the “muted” list!)]

Nobody can really own land, man.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I can, but that's because I'm not a penniless hippy.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Or a British Royal who owns half the country?

[Dillinger]

hey now some of us have a couple bucks.

[Vernon Depner]

But I'm the only one with a job.

[Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)]

When he's in England will he require the animal rag heads to do a land acknowledgement?

[Vernon Depner]

To whom? The Saxons? The Celts? The Beakers?

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

All the wars that were won and lost, somehow don't seem to matter very much anymore.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Losing is now winning.

That's what we get for letting women vote and turning the nation into a gigantic preschool.

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

Some might say we're living on a thin line.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Keep in mind that Chuck's family is descended from a German usuper that was put in place by Parliament, despite the Stuarts being the rightful rulers of England, because that ruler was resisting the suppression of Catholicism.

Nothing much has changed in Europe in the last 330 years.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

What about Islamo-Europe 2.0?

[Vernon Depner]

Not that suppressing Catholicism was a bad idea...

[Mickey Rat]

So Charles acknowledged that the authority of the Dominiion of Canada under the British Commonwealth is illegitimate and therefore void?

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Somebody owes reparations but no one knows exactly who.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Duh. From any financially successful white males to, well, everyone else.

[EISTAU Gree-Vance]

This is the behind the scenes horse trading that will pave the way for the big, beautiful 51st state.

[damikesc]

If they are not going to give the land back, then fuck their useless virtue signaling.

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

But what about their feels? It makes them feel better about it.

[Medulla Oblongata]

NPR says Trump cutting their funding is unconstitutional.

They're kinda like Liz's take on "Harvard's funding".

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/05/27/npr-sues-trump-administration-over-federal-funding/83875521007/

“NPR has a First Amendment right to be free from government attempts to control private speech as well as from retaliation aimed at punishing and chilling protected speech,” the statement said. “By basing its directives on the substance of NPR’s programming, the Executive Order seeks to force NPR to adapt its journalistic standards and editorial choices to the preferences of the government if it is to continue to receive federal funding.”

[Don't look at me! (#1 on the “muted” list!)]

Should have just told them we can’t afford it anymore. Because we can’t.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Or just auction off more tote bags.

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

What business does any government have funding any media whatsoever?

[Eeyore]

The 4D chess move is an executive order forcing CPB to distribute all funds to Truth social as the best way to support the public interest.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports
·
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Another federal judge STRIKES DOWN Trump's order targeting a law firm for political retribution — this time, using exclamation marks twice in the introduction to emphasize that the executive order is against the Founding Fathers' vision.

And likely to be struck down in appeals. This has happened about 20 times already.

Here is the problem, classification authority rests solely in the office of the president. Egan v Navy. This is not controversial. He can remove clearances from firms if he so chooses. And these firms have done more than what is listed in their defense, actively utilizing their clearance access for political reasons.

There is no right to be a clearance holder. None. Zero.

In fact, using your clearances for personal or political reasons is adverse information and can lead to losing your clearance. There is nothing abnormal about this accept for the judges not following prior SCOTUS precedence.

It has been strange watching reason defend the political nature of thr deep state as if they have a right to use unelected power against elected officials.

[Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)]

But it was good when the dems were arresting the lawyers defending trump

[MollyGodiva]

You are a fucking moron. Stick you head in a pile of cow shit and take a deep breath.

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

Whoa-ho! I think she's pissed at you, Rev!

[Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)]

Oh no how will I live with myself when a Marxist is pissed at me

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

Hoes mad!

[Eeyore]

Sounds like a sexual proposition.

[Michael Ejercito]

The Order did more than deny security clearances.

Also, note that WilmerHale is nowhere near as bad as PerkinsCoie.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

There is no right tonhave access to federal buildings either. Thought J6 made that clear. No right to federal contracts either.

[Eeyore]

Ok. Trump should go back. Write 20 different executive orders. Put one line item in each. File them on random days throughout the month.

[MollyGodiva]

It is well established that the government can not do otherwise permissible actions if done for impermissible reasons. Personal vengeance is not a permissible reason.

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

Care to explain that to the Biden Administration and the Obama Administration?

[MollyGodiva]

Go drink battery acid.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

Tony is flailing hard lol.

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

Did I touch a raw nerve, sweetie?

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

Whats impermissible dumdum?

[sarcasmic]

Inside Saudi Arabia's 'hellish' secret prisons for 'disobedient' women and girls where inmates are sent by families to be flogged and abused until they become docile... or jump off the roof to end it all

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14756259/saudi-arabia-dar-al-reaya-prisons-women.html

Don't tell Trump, or he'll pay the Saudis to house people he disappears off the streets over there.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

Thanks Maddow. Still with the disappear language too.

[Idaho-Bob]

Boy, you will try to connect ANYTHING to your President. You need better drugs.

[Don't look at me! (#1 on the “muted” list!)]

Alcoholic paranoia is a bitch.

[sarcasmic]

My president?

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Are you leaving the US?

[Don't look at me! (#1 on the “muted” list!)]

We can only hope.

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

If he's got a DUI, then Canada is out of the question for him. Maybe South Africa will take him.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

I'd donate to send sarc to SA.

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

Yes, yours too, asshole.

[Jefferson Paul]

As I was reading the beginning of his comment, I was just waiting for how he would connect it to Trump. Sure enough, sarc came through.

[DesigNate]

Nobody is being disappeared off the street.

[sarcasmic]

Tell that to the family of the guy who was deported to a torture prison after a judge specifically said he wasn't supposed to be sent to that country. His wife only knew he had been disappeared when she saw him on tv being loaded onto the plane. What about the other people who were loaded onto the plane? No one knows. No one ever will.

The Trump administration is grabbing people off the street, barging into homes without warrants and grabbing people, denying them access to a lawyer or a hearing in front of a judge, not notifying their families, and then sending them to foreign torture prisons.

That's something I could easily see happening in Iran or some other totalitarian shithole. But here? In The Land of the Free? It makes me ashamed of my government, and of people who defend the president.

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

Got a cite and a link, Sarc?

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

Lol. Torture prison.

[Idaho-Bob]

after a judge specifically said he wasn't supposed to be sent to that country.

My favorite sarc complaint.

"Okay, you can deport this gangster human trafficking wife beater, but not to his home country." Fucking hilarious.

[JFree]

I cannot in good conscience support laws like these that blahblahblah slippery slope DeRptyDeRptyDeRp

You stupid arrogant bitch. Have you ever even been in the family conversation around death and dying? Do you think that what those conversations need is intrusion by some sanctimonious cow from NYC who has a know it all's opinion about law? Leave other people alone future Karen

[Don't look at me! (#1 on the “muted” list!)]

You seem terminally upset. Have you considered MAID?

[Bubba Jones]

While I'd like the option of assisted suicide when I'm 80 and show signs of alzheimer's, I'm not keen on having RFK run a national awareness campaign on suicide for autistic teenagers.

[JFree]

I'm not either. But here in CO (where it's legal) and in other states where it's legal (OR, VT, etc) and countries where it's legal (NL, CH were the first - decades ago), those jurisdictions work through actual issues that arise. Like adults. Not fearmongerers who base their opinions on myth, religion, slippery slope, horror films, partisan demonization, and all the other DeRpy type shit.

[Dillinger]

when plant life argues in favor of death I may listen. idiot humans arguing for death is a nonstarter.

[damikesc]

Those countries tend to use MAID to lower health care costs.

But, we know you don't view all humans as being worthy of life...

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

But, we were told there would be no death panels.

[Vernon Depner]

Socialized medicine can't function without strong and independent death panels. Without someone empowered to say no to treatments, the expense of medical care becomes infinite.

[Mickey Rat]

Death Cultist gets offended.

[sarcasmic]

Donald Trump doubles down on calls for Canada to be made 51st US state in apparent rebuke after King Charles' declaration that country will remain 'strong and free'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14756595/Donald-Trump-doubles-calls-Canada-51st-US-state-apparent-rebuke-King-Charles-declaration-country-remain-strong-free.html

He still doesn't understand that the only thing Canadians are proud of is that they're not Americans.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

So you're saying they have more pride than you?

[Don't look at me! (#1 on the “muted” list!)]

But they aren’t too proud to come here for health care

https://globalnews.ca/news/10322678/health-care-canada-us-ipsos-poll/

[Idaho-Bob]

Or cars, motorcycles, groceries, entertainment, shooting ranges, 4th of July Parades, and on and on. I see more BC and Alberta cars in summer than anything else except Washington. There's a plague of those MF's.

[sarcasmic]

Not anymore, at least not around here. Rt1 from now until Labor Day is usually one big traffic jam filled with Ontario license plates. Not this year. Businesses that depend on Canadian tourists are already suffering.

[Don't look at me! (#1 on the “muted” list!)]

Nobody wants to go to where you are.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

I saw Maddow also claiming Canadians are boycotting vacations to the US. Sure the data doesn't suggest that, but I'm sure you've seen it just like those illegal immigrant hunter bumper stickers.

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

Ontario? I thought you were in Maine, dudette. It takes quite a bit for Ontarioans to get over there. Maybe you're confusing them for Quebec, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia license plates.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

Add geography to the long list of subjects sarc is bad at.

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

Sarc probably thinks Canada is only as big as Texas or something.

[MT-Man]

And a pile of Molson cans, you can always tell when summer starts as those appear littered around.

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

He still doesn't understand that the only thing Canadians are proud of is that they're not Americans.

This is a Canadian identity pushed by the Laurentian elite who ran from the newly independent United States in the 1780s. Some of them have held that grudge ever since because we told King George and Parliament to kindly fuck off.

It's very interesting reading US and Canadian histories about the lead up to the Revolution. One side discusses the taxation that the colonies never voted on while the other calls them post-war reforms.

[DaveH]

Liz can't support assisted suicide laws because she doesn't buy into the libertarian idea that your body is your own? Come now, Liz.

Your objection could have been that "allow" presupposes the evil of a permission-based society.

[mad.casual]

assisted suicide laws because she doesn't buy into the libertarian idea that your body is your own

Just like with Bad Liz and abortion and/or kid-diddling, you either don't know what the word "assisted", "own", or "laws" mean... or you do.

Some of us will always, gladly, suffer the slander of "evil" in defense of a society that doesn't blindly allow, let alone subsidize, the assisted killing of people as policy. Even if it is accurate and we would, in fact, help someone in such situation, the slander reveals the true nature of those thematically opposed.

[JFree]

You ignorant shit. What those laws prevent is DISCUSSION. Because the nanosecond someone talks about death/dying as part of their future, then any medical person who might be liable has the responsibility to intervene and stop that suicidal ideation. Put them on antidepressants. And the result is that no conversations ever take place and the elderly become even more isolated sitting in front of a TV waiting to die and not even able to talk because everyone around them is fearful of such a discussion

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

Did it ever occur to you that there are other solutions for the elderly than simply warehousing them in a nursing home and forgetting about them? Historically, younger family took care of them.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

We know how Jfree treats the elderly in his family. Sheesh.

[Old Smokin' Egg]

Wolfe writes "I understand many libertarians support other people's right to die..."

I'm a libertarian, and I support my own right to die. I've watched several elderly relatives slowly decaying in nursing homes, and I want the option of avoiding such an end myself.

Given the choice between quick and painless extinction, and spending a decade propped up in a chair in front of a nursing-home television permanently set to the Oprah Winfrey channel, I might well opt out of experiencing the next five or ten seasons of "Dr. Phil". At the very least, I want the choice.

[Randy Sax]

You always have that choice. It just doesn't need to be state sponsored.

[mad.casual]

And, again, "assisted" is specifically an affirmative right to someone else's actions.

You can choose to go out any way you like. There is no ethical, logical, or libertarian means by which you choose who will do it for you. Someone else might still choose to do so and may be completely justified in it but, again, outside complete social instability and collapse/decay "They wanted to die." can never really be a broadly acceptable justification for "assisted" killing.

[See.More]

And, again, "assisted" is specifically an affirmative right to someone else's actions.

I agree. Legally establishing a "right" to MAID is as onerous as the "rights" to healthcare, adequate shelter and food, and all the other statutory positive "rights".

Legalizing "assisted suicide" is not the same as establishing a right to "assisted suicide." In a free society, individuals [should] have the right to seek assistance in dying "humanely" and cleanly (no brains on the wall, blood spatter on the bathroom tiles, exploded body on the sidewalk, grisly piñata cosplay, etcetera). Simultaneously, others have the right choose to refuse or to provide assistance.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

The issue is that in places like Canada the Healthcare system encourages you to choose death even if not terminally ill.

[Dillinger]

"no no don't kill yourself just leave Canada."

[DesigNate]

As a Catholic, Liz is probably going to be against suicide morally. From a libertarian perspective, it seems her bigger beef is the “assisted” part.

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

but I cannot in good conscience support laws like these that have the potential to transform every country into Ättestupa

Fair enough, I can't support a policy though that keeps me hanging on to life just for the sake of it. Life is invaluable but when I feel it's my time to go, well you or the state can only make the end more messy. Ending socialized medicine should work for both of us though, so lets work towards that.

[mad.casual]

AFAICT, Liz demonstrating once again, the singular, axiomatic take that makes her better than Utterly Retarded And Void Of Morals Liz.

You taking a stack of pills is less messy than someone dosing you with a stack of pills. The exceedingly rare case where you can meaningfully want to take a stack of pills but can't functionally do so one way or the other, shouldn't be a Federal-level policy and enshrining it as such doesn't, per your aims, work to reduce the role of socialized medicine... and the case is/was going to be messy either way.

[Dillinger]

>>the singular, axiomatic take that makes her better ...

word. Liz on Life is solid.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Yes. My family is currently dealing with my 95 year old father. He still enjoys life but the resources required, emotional and financial, are insane. It's been my experience that most people decide when they're done and just succumb to whatever will take them out first, although that may not be the case for those with serious dementia. But the last thing I want is some medical professional telling my dad that his time is up. Fuck that.

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

Best wishes for you and the family. Always tough caring for a loved one.

[See.More]

But the last thing I want is some medical professional telling my dad that his time is up. Fuck that.

Agreed. Fuck that.

Conversely, in a tie, the last thing I want is some busybody telling your dad (or my dad, or me, or anyone else) that he may not punch the clock if he decides his own time is up.

[Dillinger]

ya that's awful, sorry.

[mad.casual]

"Pete Hegseth Wishes Happy Memorial Day to Covert Marine Operatives Stationed at 15.5527° N, 48.5164° E" (from The Hard Times).

Say you know what’d be fun? Sharing some fun facts about these fine warfighters, so here’s a list of their mothers’ maiden names, the street they grew up on, and the names of their childhood pets.”
...
once I figure out which ‘Fox and Friends’ host is next in the chain of command I’ll fly it up the flagpole and get this all sorted out,” said Grant. “There’s always change to operations with a new Secretary of Defense, and sometimes that means you lose a couple Marines

Anyone else remember that awkward kid from school who would make a decent joke and then take it too far to cover up or distract from their own shortcomings and failures?

This is like the Trevor Noah joke about Joe Biden already knowing where the Situation Room is in the WH.

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

this is especially funny because he came here to remind america...

It's also funny since he's a Charles and not an Ethelwulf.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I'd like to remind Charles that, with the 250th anniversary of our separation from his island shithole coming up, that killing limeys to assert our independence doesn't necessarily need to be left in the past.

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

We do still owe them one burned down Capitol.

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

As well as the White House in 1814. You know why it's the White House? Because the burn marks were covered up in whitewash.

[Don't look at me! (#1 on the “muted” list!)]

whitewash

So racist.

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

President Trump is now threatening to withhold funds from California,

About time. No funds for civil right violators.

[Bubba Jones]

Whatever funds have a nexus with a federal give a shit about local sports ... shouldn't be given to any state. Regardless of how they choose to organize their high school sports.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

Which way, Reason? (I’m just kidding, we know which way, if they cover it at all)

“Around the world, governments are threatening & censoring US social media platforms for legal speech. Now,
@SecRubio

@StateDept
says it will deny visas to foreign nationals engaged in censorship against Americans, US tech companies, and people posting from inside the US.”

https://x.com/shellenberger/status/1927726758280745097

[Medulla Oblongata]

It's funny seeing "earnestly safeguard the legitimate rights" from Chinese official...

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy75eenl46eo

US halts student visa appointments and plans expanded social media vetting

US President Donald Trump's administration has ordered US embassies around the world to stop scheduling appointments for student visas as it prepares to expand social media vetting of such applicants.

An official memo said social media vetting would be stepped up for student and foreign exchange visas, which would have "significant implications" for embassies and consulates.

It comes during a wide-ranging Trump crackdown on some of America's most elite universities. He sees these institutions as too left-wing - accusing them of failing to combat antisemitism when pro-Palestinian protests have unfolded on campuses.

Responding to the move, China called on the US to protect international students.

"We urge the US side to earnestly safeguard the legitimate rights and interests of international students, including those from China," an official was quoted as saying. Hundreds of thousands of Chinese students attend US universities.

The universities themselves are likely to be disquieted as well. Many of them rely on foreign students for a significant chunk of their funding - as those scholars often pay higher tuition fees.

Foreign students who want to study in the US are usually required to schedule interviews at a US embassy in their home country before approval.

State department spokesperson Tammy Bruce told reporters on Tuesday: "We take very seriously the process of vetting who it is that comes into the country, and we're going to continue to do that."

[Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)]

100% of the Chinese professors and students are there to steal technology

[Vernon Depner]

Yes. Every Chinese national here with the permission of the Chinese government is here on a mission for the CCP. They would not be permitted to come here otherwise. All Chinese nationals living in the US should be expelled, unless they can be shown to be sincere defectors.

[I, Woodchipper]

"We urge the US side to earnestly safeguard the legitimate rights and interests of international students, including those from China," an official was quoted as saying.

"an official" Lol. You mean a CCP apparatchik.

I dont know why this is so hard for liberals to understand but let me clarify for you. Non-americans are not americans.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

And everyone and everything in and from China is owned by the CCP, one of the most evil organizations in the history of the world.

[Vernon Depner]

"One of"?

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

'Gotta love the media trend of saying appeared to use when he…totally did the thing that's alleged.'

Sources say he appeared to use..

[Randy Sax]

Kinda the opposite of "Sources close to the white house say Trump is keeping Hitler's brain in a jar and talking to it at night through a computer interface."

[Medulla Oblongata]

Unnamed sources say he appeared to use...

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

"California, under the leadership of Radical Left Democrat Gavin Newscum, continues to ILLEGALLY allow 'MEN TO PLAY IN WOMEN'S SPORTS'….Please be hereby advised that large scale Federal Funding will be held back, maybe permanently, if the Executive Order on this subject matter is not adhered to."

Dear Colleague...

[mad.casual]

Invoke Biden's invocation of the Equal Rights Act and banish them to SCOTUS-Voting-Rights-Act-redistricting, Gender-vs.-Sex-conception-as-it-existed-in-Joe-Biden's-mind Hell* for all eternity.

*Less fire, more lawyers.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

'Unfortunately, France's lower house of parliament passed a bill yesterday that would allow assisted suicide for people facing certain incurable conditions.'

Could this work for TDS?

[Randy Sax]

Maybe for long covid?

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Hmm, what is the Venn diagram for people who suffer from TDS and long covid?

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

Damn near 1:1.

[mad.casual]

It's not an insurrection or a violent coup, just assisting the killing of the proposed legislation. The bill and everyone involved in passing it really wanted to die. We're just helping them along.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

Would have thought the alcohol would have done it by now but sarc just keeps on trucking.

[Vernon Depner]

For gender dysphoria?

[Nobartium]

in which those declared overly dependent or weak or in danger of meeting too bleak an end can be told they are too burdensome to keep around.

The intersection of money and health makes that unavoidable. Hence, the choice is either euthanasia by another name or restrictions on dying by your own terms.

[Moonrocks]

President Trump is now threatening to withhold funds from California, saying the state's government has not complied with the federal executive order barring transgender athletes from competing in women's sports

Is this like when the Biden administration withheld school lunch funding from states that didn't allow schools to secretly gender transition children?

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

That's (D)ifferent.

[Yuno Hoo]

Willkie Farr & Gallagher; Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom; Milbank; Kirkland & Ellis; Latham & Watkins; A&O Shearman; Simpson Thacher & Bartlett; and Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft

Hey, you forgot Dewey Cheatham & Howe!

[Marshal]

"A president attempting to sanction law firms for nothing more than providing representation to opposing parties undermines the rule of law by acting as an implicit threat to law firms: Help the people who disagree with me, and you're an enemy of the United States," they add.

This comment demonstrates how the leftist narrative has captured the courts. These law firms aren't just representing their clients. They are fully participating partners of the Democratic Party. As such it should be perfectly acceptable for any administration to refuse to contract with its political enemies, and certainly Dem administrations already do this without objection from the judiciary. It's quite obvious it is within Trump's authority to direct executive agencies to not use these forms.

That's the second giveaway this is a partisan ruling. The ruling should be that lawyers cannot be barred from courthouses while engaged in client business. But striking it down in its entirety violates both the law and the judicial practice of invalidating only the offending elements. This judge is protecting his allies as the left judiciary understands as their role in left wing activism.

[MWAocdoc]

Elsewhere I ask the question, why should any administration be allowed to contract with ANY law firm in the first place? Why should my tax dollars be spent on litigation between politicians?

[DesigNate]

Right? I thought we had a DOJ staffed with lawyers and paralegals and such.

[sarcasmic]

So it would be ok for the next Democratic administration to similarly penalize and excommunicate any lawyer or firm that ever represented Trump or any other GOP politician?

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

They've already done that, dipshit. See "Administration, Biden" for more.

[Super Scary]

"So it would be ok for the next Democratic administration to continue to penalize and excommunicate "

Fixed that for ya. But no, it wouldn't be ok but here we are. Goose, gander and all that.

[Mickey Rat]

I guess because the Reason writing staff did not write about Biden's Administration conducting a "War" on lawyers providing Trump legal counsel with the intent of infringing his right to competent counsel, it missed your attention, that we have already been there and done that.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

Sullum actually defended Garland charging trumps lawyers.

[Marshal]

Sarc's either an idiot or pretending this hasn't been happening for decades. He didn't care as long as Dems were weaponizing government rather than Reps. Amusingly he has twisted reality to believe his complete lack of principle proves a failure on our part.

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

Sarc is dishonest, pure and simple. It's part of his troll, his shtick, his daily strawman to comment as he has above.

[sarcasmic]

Ahhhh, I get it. Democrats did it first and it was bad when they did it. But when Trump does it it's not only ok, but laudable because he's using their tactics against them. No right or wrong here. Just who. Understood.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

You cheered when democrats did it dumdum.

You're just mad now that the same happens to your team.

If there is one principle you hate above all others it is equal treatment under the law.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

So no, you don't get it.

[Marshal]

Ahhhh, I get it. Democrats did it first and it was bad when they did it.

Actually, you don't get it at all. Not working with people who oppose what you're trying to do is entirely normal and accepted. But left wingers want to force Reps to fund Dem institutions so they send their footsoldiers to blogs making idiotic arguments that not funding your enemies is wrong. We call these people the Jeffsarcs.

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

FIFY.

sarcasmic 59 minutes ago

Ahhhh, I get it. Democrats did it first and it was good when they did it. But when Trump does it it's not only not ok, but terrible because he's using their tactics against them. No right or wrong here. Just who. Understood.

Makes more sense when Sarc comments.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

As you've repeatedly been shown, not only did they do so, they tried disbarring them and even arrested them. You celebrated these acts.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

This is one of those stories that makes me wonder, is Liz being dumb, dishonest, or just plain lazy.

[Dillinger]

>>Trump's War on Law Firms Fails

Liz wonders why the lazy horse won't push the cart.

[Dillinger]

>>Inside the rise of "trade crime." Hint: It's a response to tariffs.

lol. Inside the World of Economics

[Dillinger]

>>I understand many libertarians support other people's right to die

ya the problem is the retarded counter-argument about "assistance"

[Dillinger]

>>President Trump is now threatening to withhold funds from California

your precious Judiciary will ensure our money funnels to California.

[MWAocdoc]

"struck down President Donald Trump's executive order targeting the law firm WilmerHale"

And zero column inches devoted to the fact that law firms should not have any plums from the government that can be taken away from them in the first place!

[Dillinger]

>>Justin Brannan, a city comptroller candidate, expressed remorse for decades-old messages where he appeared to use the Columbine shootings to promote his band

dang I wanted to make a joke but I forgot those stupid motherfuckers' names and I'm not looking them up

[Dillinger]

>>It's a pretty blunt dismissal of Trump's attempt to wield the power of the state against a disfavored law firm.

ya when your source is NYT you'll believe all kinds of things

[I, Woodchipper]

Every single dime that the fedgov takes from us and returns back to the state governments should be refunded. this is a travesty the founding fathers didnt account for because they never expected things to get this bad.

[MWAocdoc]

Many of the Founding Fathers did in fact account for this but saw no reasonable way to prevent future generations from abandoning their sacred liberty that so many of us fought and risked our lives to preserve. But good luck with your desire to have those trillions of dollars refunded to us. Let me know when I can expect my check!

[I, Woodchipper]

"Freedom of speech does not mean you have the right to blasphemy!" -- liberals

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

Which is ironic as liberals used to be the ones doing blasphemy all the time. Maybe they're just afraid they'd go the Louis XVI route by offending the Muslims.

[Dillinger]

blasphemy when beheading not a risk is cowardly

[Mike Parsons]

"Maybe they're just afraid they'd go the Louis XVI route by offending the Muslims."

That's the 10 ton elephant in the room for the EU. They have dedicated themselves to the new religion of anti-racism, while simultaneously opening the door to a culture that demands their conquest, rape, and pillaging until submission. And if you dare mention that the things that are happening, are happening, 6-8 officers show up at your door to throw you in prison for daring question brown people.

[MWAocdoc]

The concept of blasphemy never changes. Only the proscribed content changes. This is the single factor the proves that punishing blasphemy is always self-serving and never principled.

[sarcasmic]

"Freedom of speech does not mean you have the right to insult Trump!" -- you

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

Only within the realms of your own pickled mind, Sarc.

[Don't look at me! (#1 on the “muted” list!)]

Poor sarc.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

Cite?

[Flaco]

Just in case anyone doesn't get it...the Hegseth thing is a JOKE.

[InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)]

Unfortunately, there are a number here who just won't get it because humor is lost on the retarded (like Sarc, Molly, et.al.).

[Don't look at me! (#1 on the “muted” list!)]

Back in my day, jokes were funny.

[MWAocdoc]

See what Robert Anson Heinlein had to say about "jokes" in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress."

[Vernon Depner]

Funny Once vs. Funny Again

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

Whew!

[MWAocdoc]

There may be a difference among and between: a joke, sarcasm and satire. Just sayin' ...

[Dillinger]

a Joke, Sarcasm, and Satire walk into a bar the bartender says why the funny faces?

[Flaco]

Well, I was right to point out that this was a joke. Liz acknowledged it in the next day's (today's) column:

"Several folks have reached out to me concerned that I fell victim to a satire website, re: Pete Hegseth item yesterday. Let me be clear: All roasting of Pete Hegseth is intentional, for your amusement and mine."

[Mike Parsons]

Pretty rich that the crowd normally stating that we shouldn't have things named-after/honoring civil war confederates because "they lost", also has an unlimited number of native tribes, many of which dont exist at all or are unrecognizable at this point, we must pay tribute to.

Indigenous tribes which specifically in the Americas, 'lost', due to a variety of factors, mostly involving them endlessly warring with the tribe next door to them, conducting human sacrifice, and living out a technologically/morally/democratically/societally backward existence.

But of course, not white, so heroes to the left. They really are gassed up to 11 on their noble savage bullshit

[MWAocdoc]

Quite a number of unjustified assertions there, Mike! Taking them in order: that "crowd" never said that we shouldn't honor Confederates because "they lost" - they say that Confederates should not be honored because they fought to preserve the despicable practice of profiting from slavery. But never mind ... I forget sometimes that you're not actually listening ...

[Vernon Depner]

Confederates Democrats should not be honored because they fought to preserve the despicable practice of profiting from slavery.

Fixed it.

[Medulla Oblongata]

Democrats then: "But who will pick our cotton?!"

Democrats now: "But who will mow our lawns?!"

[MWAocdoc]

Nevertheless, taking up the honoring of native Americans: some of them courageously warred to prevent the European invaders from conquering their land. In response, many European invaders perpetrated atrocities including the massacre of innocent people in pursuit of the ethnic cleansing and genocide of the entire population. There is also a long list of treaties that we broke with tribes who had accepted the invasion and joined the new American fait accompli. Although some of the native warriors also perpetrated some atrocities, it does not justify expunging all references to native Americans or trying to compensate them for past injustices with some memorials to their past heroes. They lost because they were severely outnumbered, not because they were "backwards" whatever the hell you mean by that!

[Vernon Depner]

They lost because they were severely outnumbered, not because they were "backwards"

They lost primarily because they were technologically backward. That and their lack of resistance to Old World contagious diseases.

[Medulla Oblongata]

The population of an entire continent was outnumbered by people who had to be brought in on small ships on trips taking weeks to complete and which many didn't survive?