Trump's 'They Can Have 5' Moment is an Attack on Capitalism
Trump’s tariffs aren’t just bad economics—they’re a rejection of abundance, prosperity, and capitalism itself.

While recently aboard Air Force One, President Donald Trump told reporters that "a young lady—a 10-year-old girl, 9-year-old girl, 15-year-old girl—doesn't need 37 dolls. She could be very happy with two or three or four or five." He doubled down in an interview with NBC's Kristen Welker, saying that Americans "don't need to have 250 pencils. They can have five."
Trump is referring to the economic hardship that is inevitable due to his tariffs. Toys are a particular focus, many of which come from China and are subject to the highest tariffs. Trump is asking Americans to make sacrifices, and not with the eloquence of John F. Kennedy—the sacrifices we make are simply to satisfy his pride.
Americans produce a lot and consume a lot. We have among the highest average incomes and we buy a lot of stuff. We derive pleasure from acquiring and using material things, whether they're toys, clothes, video games, or cars. If 37 dolls make you happy, and you have the means, then go out and buy 37 dolls. It is not a question of whether we need them or not.
Trump's comments are an explicit rejection of materialism, abundance, and capitalism itself. I much prefer the Trump who was obsessively tweeting about stocks going up in his first term. Not only is Trump not tweeting about stocks, but he seems entirely indifferent to the prospect of a recession.
In other comments, Trump has said that prosperity can be achieved through tariffs—which is obviously untrue—so it seems likely that he's willing to trade off some short-term economic pain for potential long-term gain. But as any student of economics will tell you, the tariffs are all pain, and even if the president doesn't expect a recession, we are probably going to get one.
I don't buy dolls, but I do buy clothes. I am a clotheshorse. I own 250 T-shirts, 40 pairs of jeans, 70 shirts, 30 jackets, 20 suits, and 50 pairs of shoes. I like that I can walk into my closet and mix and match outfits every day, with nearly an infinite number of permutations. It gives me pleasure. Most of the shirts are made in India; the shoes are made in Italy (Italians have a better reputation for making shoes than Americans). They will be more expensive after the tariffs, and I will have to economize unless the manufacturer completely relocates the supply chain to the U.S. at great cost.
Do I need all these clothes? Of course not—but that is not the point. I am using the money that I earn—the product of my best effort—to buy the best efforts of a manufacturer on the other side of the world. I do not buy inferior products to keep less-competent Americans employed doing busywork.
The doll comments are somewhat reminiscent of former President Jimmy Carter putting on a sweater and going on TV in 1977 to ask Americans to turn the heat down in the face of natural gas shortages. That, followed by his 1977 "malaise speech," negatively impacted national morale and likely cost him his presidency.
There doesn't seem to be as much visceral outrage at Trump's assertion that American girls can make do with less. Yet, if there is a greater good here, Trump has been unable to articulate it. If the tariffs are in place simply because Trump romanticizes the late 1800s and thinks we can finance government spending with tariff revenue, then we are doomed.
This rhetoric from Trump has a great deal in common with Bernie Sanders' anti-capitalist worldview. Between the tariffs, the increasingly progressive income taxes, the incompetent attempt to cut government spending, and the explicit anti-materialism, Trump is off to a bad start with capitalists.
In the past, those with a desire for free-ish markets would generally vote Republican. At least in the past, the Republicans were pro-growth. What does it mean when both major political parties are anti-growth and anti-materialism? What does it mean when the political apparatus of a country is wholly aligned for it to fail? I would not get too comfortable in those stock index funds.
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Feel the Bern!
The libertarian case for less than 23 different kinds of deodorant but 250+ pencils.
America is off the rails and Trump isn’t the man to right it.
He’s shitting on the constitution while pandering to the foreign Israeli genocidal lobby. Assbackwards.
He’s making the rest of the world great as it unites to exclude the shitshow the US has become.
When / if America catches up to China in cheap shit production nobody will want it.
I’m sure Reason is pleased a nazi dirtbag agrees with them.
RM;dr
Capitalism is good, but Billionaires who benefit from Capitalism are bad. Got it.
In the past, those with a desire for free-ish markets would generally vote Republican. At least in the past, the Republicans were pro-growth. What does it mean when both major political parties are anti-growth and anti-materialism? What does it mean when the political apparatus of a country is wholly aligned for it to fail?
It means the GOP is continuing its march from authoritarianism to totalitarianism.
Remember when the Democrats fired government employees for refusing to participate in a hazardous genetic experiment?
Remember when the Democrats illegally censored the political speech of millions of Americans?
Remember when the Democrats imprisoned dissident protesters without trial?
Remember when the Democrats tried to remove a political opponent from the ballot, and when that didn't work they tried to bankrupt him, and when that didn't work they tried to jail him, and when that didn't work they tried to assassinate him?
But Sarc was cool with all that. The real impending fascism for Sarcasmic, is economic tariffs, just like every single president before Trump has imposed, but somehow this time it's different.
Sarc's like a cartoon character.
He's like a scratched record that is stuck in the same groove repeating the same line with an annoying skip.
Anyone who believes that Canadian mental patient needs psychiatric meds of their own.
What did I say that was incorrect, you shitty drunken DNC shill.
He lost his USAID funding from whatever NGO employees the 50centers.
I do remember a mob marching on Capitol Hill chanting "Hang Such and Such" and building gallows to that effect. I just don't exactly remember who the mob was targeting or what political movement the mob was aligned with.
I remember the BLM protests too. What’s your point?
Think he meant the FBI UC at J6.
"I do remember a mob marching on Capitol Hill chanting "Hang Such and Such" and building gallows to that effect."
No you don't.
The first didn't happen. There was one guy videotaped shouting "Hang Mike Pence" while the rest of the crowd called him a fed. That's it.
The "gallows" were videotaped being set up a whole day before the rally by men who have now been identified as FBI agents. Just like the guy who planted the pipe bombs, the guy filmed breaking the windows, and the only guy filmed calling for insurrection that day, Ray Epps.
Your big lie is over. Your Reichstag Fire has been exposed as a false flag. You frauds are all exposed.
"Remember when the Democrats fired government employees for refusing to participate in a hazardous genetic experiment?"
No such thing happened. In fact none of these things happened.
LOL...Attack! Pounce!
TARRIFS ARE AN ATTACK ON CAPITALISM!
First Trump attacked the children and now this!
Their whole narrative doesn't make sense from base logic.
If tariffs are an attack, then tariffs on US exports are an attack based on their premise. The NAP doesn't require us to lay down and take it. But allows a response.
But with every one of these articles the premise ends up being only the US response is an attack, so lay back and take it.
This is one of my issues with ideal based libertarianism. Models that assume the US is operating amongst an ideal set of trade partners or in ideal conditions and only the US response can be criticizes or affected.
At this point ideal based libertarians are no better than climate activists. Both rely on models that keep getting disproved over and over by reality. But a demand we worship the flawed models.
Jesse are you a socialist
Hey sarc!
At this point ideal based libertarians are no better than climate activists.
I know right, Libertarians need to get on the Sanders/Trump bus. Don't they know having a top down figure controling the economy is the best! Its worked everywhere that it has been implemented.
Real Trumpism has never been tried!
All of you have gone full sarc.
Predict one correct market response. Just one.
It’s probably just one the retarded writers.
Lol. You fucking globalists who buy every fucking lie you've been told but are too stupid to realize it. You want the US to be controlled by globalist elite. Massive trade agreements. Controlled trade. But as long as they call it a free market you defend it. Any action to get i actually closer to a free market you attack.
Useful idiots indeed.
I'm willing to bet that Jared has 24 kinds of deodorant.
"and 50 pairs of shoes"
I'm betting Jared prefers the company of men.
I'm betting Jared prefers the company of men.
Hopefully.
He will never win the presidency now.
India just agreed to drop all their tariffs. Isn't that a good thing?
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/jeff-charles/2025/05/06/india-agrees-to-drop-all-tariffs-on-us-products-n2656634
Not allowed to talk about this stuff here.
Reality has a habit of ruining a good narrative.
the sacrifices we make are simply to satisfy his pride.
You lose the high ground of libertarian principle when you also toss out such blatantly biased and unprovable allegations.
One of most obvious symptoms of TDS is blurting, or whatever the equivalent of blurting is when writing.
"Trump’s tariffs aren’t just bad economics—they’re a rejection of abundance, prosperity, and capitalism itself."
Looky here! The TDS-addled slimy pile of shit Welsh found another TDS-addled slimy pile of shit writer!
How..............................
boooooooooooooring.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
hahahahahahahahahahaha like clockwork
Sevo shows up to attack a FREE MARKET LIBERTARIAN for criticizing socialism because his only principle is defending Trump from criticism.
Socialist Sevo!!!!!
Donald Trump could rape sevo's mom and he would tell his mother she has TDS for resisting.
Nothing you support is a free market. You support a lie told by globalists sarc.
Trump could call for the nationalization without compensation for all 500 of the largest US corporations, and the Trump Cult here would attack anyone who says that that is socialism by calling them TDS.
Trump continues to argue that a trade deficit means we're losing. This is ignorant and stupid, and hence very few cultists are prepared to concede that he's wrong.
Yeah... Look at Venezuala... They didn't lose anything.... /s
The remnants of leftard utopia...
Holy shit TJJ. Are you really arguing that having a trade deficit with another country is bad? LOL
Venezuela usually runs a trade surplus, fuckwit.
Oh right... That's why the whole nation went bankrupt...
Too much surplus! /s
How stupid can you get?
That's why they're laughing at you.
Ignore the horse shit about 'losing'. This is really simple arithmetic and macroeconomics.
A trade deficit REQUIRES that it be balanced somehow someway. For non-reserve currencies, it requires that savings be lower than investment (meaning that foreigners will increasingly own your country) or that the currency exchange rate drop and thus imports become more expensive. If that latter dynamic occurred, no one would say boo that the trade deficit eventually closes because it would be the higher price of imports that is driving the change in demand for imports and thus is closing the trade deficit even in the absence of an increase in exports caused by the lower currency making exports more competitive elsewhere. The first dynamic - foreigners increasingly owning your country - is ALWAYS going to be a problem for anyone rational.
The only ceteris paribas (the pervasive term in economics) here is that this all assumes a balanced govt budget before and after. That the trade deficit is not resulting in an increased demand for govt debt and thus is driving down interest rates and distorting the cost of money (and the return on savings) and thus driving excess consumption. Unfortunately this is CLEARLY what has happened re the US which is why we have - because of the arithmetic of persistent deficits - turned ourselves into a financialized economy driven by asset bubbles. Thus making our asset owner class very wealthy and turning the economy into a casino for them and the foreigners they meet at Davos each year.
What changes - for the US and ONLY for the US - is that we are the reserve currency. Every global trading system REQUIRES a reserve currency. Where the demand for it grows as trade grows. I'd go into this but this is clearly not a website where anyone in the commentariat (or Reason itself) gives a rats shit about how actual economics works - how international finance works. What a reserve currency truly even is.
How is my trade deficit with Walmart balanced?
the pervasive term in economics
You have never taken an economics class in your life.
How is my trade deficit with Walmart balanced?
You don't use WalMart scrip (or your own autographed toilet paper scrip). You use US dollars. Which means you have to deal with the bank to balance your 'trade deficit'.
You people are so fucking stupid.
That's funny. Because when I buy things from China I don't use Alibaba or Temu scrip either.
I don't think you know what a trade deficit is and I think that weakness makes you angry.
Where do you get renminbi to pay Chinese producers? That's what they use to pay their bills. Even better - how do the Chinese pay for oil they buy from Indonesia if the Indonesians don't want renminbi and the Chinese don't have rupiah?
You're not worth engaging in on this. So I won't. You very obviously do not know what you are talking about. I worked (peripherally) in international finance for many years. With a degree in econ. You OTOH do not understand anything beyond how you pay your bills at WalMart.
Did you think you asked a serious question? One informed?
We don't know how long we could maintain a trade deficit, but we can at least agree, not forever.
At some point the market must self correct as you state with "the currency exchange rate drop and thus imports become more expensive.
I think we can probably agree that the trade deficit, it's causes and effects, are extremely complicated and although you've put more detail here in the comments than anyone else I can recall, it brushes over many extreme complications as evident by the fact that even economists don't agree on if extended trade deficits are bad and how, or even if, they should be handled by government policy.
Anyway, that's a long disclaimer to ask. Don't you think Trump's trade policy is just pushing up a correction that has to come anyway? And, not just rushing it, but due to the all at once shock disrupting world markets, causing additional damage. Then there's the inefficiencies of tariffs such as dead weight losses exacerbating the pain more than necessary.
The bottom line is, the correction has to come. The only way Trump can correct this in the short term is through a painful correction that he's sugar coating. A free market correction may be a "no one says boo" slow adjustment. And hell, I think we'll collapse from the budget deficit WAY before we need to feel pain from the trade deficit.
Or we could just pillage Canada and Greenland.
I don't think Trump is really to 'blame'. The tariffs stuff and his blowhardism and bullying is incompetent and counterproductive. But the perma trade deficit (and its problems) has been known to be a consequence of a reserve currency that is a national currency since Keynes advocated the 'Bancor' as reserve currency at Bretton Woods.
Even Trump's creation of incoherency and confusion has not really moved the needle more than it would have otherwise - except maybe Europe with its flawed regional reserve currency of the euro. Prob not even there since that would be an indirect effect. The reality is the world has increasingly despised the US because, post-Cold War, we use the reserve currency as a weapon of American foreign policy via sanctions/confiscations/etc. That is how we chose to 'win' the Cold War. It gives us the hubris that we can fight wars without risking our blood. That global trade is nothing but an American colony - not free trade. And it creates very rational reasons why the world despises the US.
Maybe Trump's bullshit and bluster will move those foreigners to at least replace the dollar with regional reserve currencies. Which would be good long-term but obviously unintended by the US.
Regardless - austerity is going to happen for the US unless we somehow DOMESTICALLY (meaning domestic savings) start blowing asset bubbles again to kick the can and delay the reckoning. It is the combination of trade and budget deficit (totaling 11% of GDP - both requiring foreigners to finance since we have no source of domestic savings) that will create the austerity. That's what needs to correct.
Just to build on one point (really awesome that you brought all these subjects up), the issue of foreign owned capital. In international/macro econ, there's a concept called the impossible trinity. It's a policy paradox that states that you cannot have free capital, a fixed foreign exchange rate, and independent monetary policy at the same time. The basic concept is that attempting to enact any two of these three policies makes the third impossible.
Ex. you allow for free movement of capital, meaning foreigners can buy and sell in your country as they please. A fixed exchange rate means one currency's value is pegged to another and changes in-kind. If you enact these policies, what happens if you try to enforce independent monetary policy (meaning you set your own domestic interest rate)? If you choose anything other than the global interest rate, with free movement of capital, foreigners will use interest rate arbitrage to exploit your economy. This will in turn put downward pressure on your currency, which will be significant enough that you will no longer be able to maintain a fixed exchange rate.
This concept is really important to understand with Trump's tariffs. Everyone agrees that the largest issue is the national debt. It has spiraled out of control and nobody has the political will to deal with it. Now let's apply the impossible trinity. Which conditions apply to the US? USD floats and is not fixed. You could argue that we don't have independent monetary policy (note that I am not talking about "independence" in the sense that the fed is not politically accountable, rather the "independence" to rebuke global markets with interest rates.) What if someone wanted to pursue more independent monetary policy? Well, prior to tariffs, we didn't really have capital controls. Independent monetary policy may expose us to forex risk, so perhaps we are pursuing a more fixed exchange rate. What do you have to do in order to pursue these two policies? Control capital.
I haven't seen anyone really talk about this and while I have some qualifications, I'm no expert. I just know that there's a greater plan at play with the tariffs, but I know that whatever it is, Trump would be an absolute idiot to tell people outright. He has everyone panicked because they can't tell what he's going to do or the real reason why and it is very clear now that this is intentional. Pretty impressive to see what he's doing. Definitely wasn't expecting it.
It's a policy paradox that states that you cannot have free capital, a fixed foreign exchange rate, and independent monetary policy at the same time. The basic concept is that attempting to enact any two of these three policies makes the third impossible.
That is I think true. It creates a further issue with what is called the Triffin dilemma. When the reserve currency is a national currency, then there can be no independent monetary policy for that national central bank. Their needs to keep issuing reserve currency to grease international trade will often conflict with domestic monetary policy. So no - the US does not have an independent monetary policy.
I don't think Trump really understands what he's doing. Bessent and Miran probably do. But none of them are being honest about what we've got - a broken global monetary order. It's broken many times since Bretton Woods - the London Gold Pool, Nixon's gold window shutting, Plaza Accords, Basel 1 2 and now 3, the spit and chewing gum nonsense after 2008.
And they respond with *ad hominem* attacks and accuse everyone who disagrees with them of TDS.
Sure. I believe you.
So Capitalism = Tax-Exemption for Imports, Domestic pays 85%????
So Abundance = Charge everything on the [Na]tional So[zi]alist CC???
So Prosperity = Consumerism without any Production???
Reason is so narrow-minded.. More like inflicted with TDS..
Get ready for our resident socialists Sevo, Jesse, and a few other degenerates to come in here and explain to us that Trump forcing people to change their buying habits isn't socialism or communism and that people criticizing him for it are leftists with TDS who love the government (?!?!?!, exactly).
Enter the 'government' created "buying habits" results of 0% tax on imports and 85% tax on domestic manufacturing.
Where's the Anti-Government when it comes to Domestic?
Shouldn't there be praise for Trumps Tax-Cuts and Jobs Act?
What about the Anti-Government De-Regulation and Spending-Cuts?
Do you think the Nazi-Regimes Debt is going to pay for itself?
You're not Anti-Governing.... UR just cherry-picking favors for foreign manufacturing on one specific item while playing ignorant to all the rest in an effort to hate just Trump.
Clinton gave us four years of budget surpluses. The cause of all this debt since then are the Bush tax cuts and the Trump tax cuts, along with the Bush war and the Trump bungling of COVID. Without them we would be paying off the national debt.
"The cause of all this debt since then are the Bush tax cuts and the Trump tax cuts"
.... BUT Trump Tariffs (which are a tax) is the end of the world?
P.S. Clinton didn't run a surplus. The #'s were just fudged by ponying off of the Social Security Trust Fund which UN-surprisingly is now going bankrupt.
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/clinton-surplus-myth/
How much bungling of COVID did Trump do? He supported the Cares Act of which DEMOCRATS wrote and passed. Democrats wrote a Double-Dip ARP Act of which DEMOCRATS wrote, passed and signed against Republicans. Trump wasn't even in politics.
Short of that ONE Democrats pitched, passed bill the Trump Administration ran 1/3rd the deficit amount as Biden and the [D] trifecta. And that 1/3rd the [R] deficit to [D] deficit is mostly consistent throughout the last 200-years.
As-if it would take anyone short of a complete con-artist to pretend Democrats weren't all about SPENDING BIG. That's all they do is pitch new ways to SPEND more $.
Nobody is forcing you to do anything sarc.
Would be good to force you to educate yourself so you could make an intelligent argument, but I gave up on that.
Seriously, what's the deal with these MAGA's infesting our page? They know they are MAGA's, right? These people spent four years during Biden ridiculing others for believing anything the "regime" said and often they were right. Now we principled libertarians are skeptical of what the new "regime" has to say, and they snap at us as if the Trump administration isn't just a pig with lipstick. It's the government, stupid. Of course we're going to question the official talking point of government officials and especially their leader. Why won't you guys? It's either because you're in a cult and/or because you're so obsessed with owning the libs you're willing to cuck yourselves into sounding like socialists to defend an administration liberals hate.
Either way, you're all extremely unprincipled and pathetic.
Especially a verb, a noun, "TDS ADDLED LEFTIST SACK OF SHIT" socialist Sevo. What a creep!
Or maybe one of the biggest agenda's the Trump Administration is doing is to DE-REGULATE and CUT-THEFT of the "government".
And only Leftard-TDS indoctrination makes anyone believe otherwise contrary to reality.
BREAKING NEWS: THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS NOT REDUCING THE SIZE OF GOVERNMENT.
God, TDS addled Trump supporters are the fucking worst.
When reality gets in the way just DENY, DENY, DENY and LIE....
Then deflect and contradict with "TDS ?supporters?"
WTF is that? Symptoms of a leftard self-destructing?
Stop fucking sockpuppeting, Sarc.
Shut up you communist piece of crap.
Hi drunky!
A) you have no principles. You support foreign markets manipulations and demand no response. Often at the behest of global entities.
B) you're not libertarian because you support a
C) you're uneducated so you buy every lie the globalist system has told you, including hiding of costs behind a reserve currency and an ever escalating welfare state from your preferred market.
D) you're not intelligent sarc.
It is amazing how every prediction you and the globalists have pushed as fear mongering has failed. But you persist pushing the same trained lies you bought without question from them.
I genuinely pity the MAGAs who spent a decade railing against "Marxism" only to find out their hero was a Marxist. He's just not the sidecut pink hair NAMBLA not-actually-a-Marxist they were thinking of, but the Mao/Stalin actually-a-Marxist they forgot about.
Nothing says Mao/Stalin like De-Regulating and Cutting-Spending huh? /s
Stupid party-partisan BS.
"He's cutting government departments just like Mao and Lenin!!!"
Alex Soros isn't sending us his best.
You are literally the useful idiot of the Marxists lol.
Jared, you don't have a wardrobe, you have an addiction. And given that you appear to have exact numbers and that they are all evenly divisible by 10, it seems you know that you have a problem and appear to be attempting to regulate it. Good on you for recognizing that and not doing coke or opiates, but please seek help before you wind up on an episode of hoarders arguing about the sentimental value of each of your 250 T-shirts.
"...a rejection of abundance, prosperity, and capitalism itself."
I cannot roll my eyes hard enough.
Also, keep buying cheap crap from China with credit debt.
I would love to continue buying cheap crap from China. Just like you do, you lying piece of shit.
I'm sorry you're poor and have bad value judgement. Keep buying from China at 25% discounts for shit that falls apart in half the time. Bet you've declared bankruptcy more than once due to your economic incompetence.
Hey now, Trump declared bankruptcy four times. How many times do you have to have to go bankrupt for it be economic incompetence?
You seem very angry, and have bad judgment regarding your purchasing habits.
As always, they twist a statement, a phrase, a noise into the evidence that their stance on an issue is correct, or their view of a person's character is accurate.
Even when all can see the glaring lie.
Because they are good people, very fine people, who injected the bleach and the horse paste into their multiple masks. They only had one scoop of ice cream on the pancakes they stole from their cousin
There are no libertarians or capitalists at Reason, that ship sailed long ago. The left has taken root here and only the commentariat keeps it from dying completely.
Are you referring to these idiot MAGA socialists who call everyone else leftists even though they're to the left of Bernie Sanders on free trade?
The skin you've wrapped around the pustulent heap you call a body does not disguise you, leftist. Nor does it hide your stink.
We who have loitered here these many years recognize the vileness that is your stock and trade and want none of it.
The commenters you collectivists refer to as 'magas' are virtually all that remain of that which Reason was founded to be a voice for.
Even the writers decry free trade and minds in favor of the controlled degeneration that is the only reward your ideas can give.
What are you talking about, dummy? We have a President who is trying to command the economy by declaring fake emergencies. This is absolutely not what real libertarians support. You are a socialist freak masquerading as a libertarian because you are confused that the leftists you purport to despise are actually your ideological kindred spirits. Every time there's an article questioning the abuse of power by Trump, you and a few others on here automatically come to his defense. Not only are you in a cult, but your leader is an obese life long New York Democrat who you only love because he trolls Democrats and is bigoted against the same people you're bigoted against. You're a fucking joke and you should leave this page immediately, comrade.
Azathoth!!: "I'm a libertarian. That's why I support President Trump disrupting free trade and ignoring due process."
"Libertarianism is a political philosophy emphasizing individual liberty and limited government. It prioritizes personal freedom, free markets, and individual rights, advocating for minimal government intervention in people's lives, businesses, and property. Libertarians believe in the inherent rights of individuals to life, liberty, and property, and they generally oppose government actions that infringe upon these rights."- Google AI
You defend NONE of this. You're a socialist, maybe a fascist, I have no fucking clue, but you always go after the people who want to limit government power, which makes you a shitty boot licking statist. Fuck off
And in the very first paragraph you demonstrate the crux of your ignorance, stupidity, and being the useful idiot.
The market was never free. You demand the markets stay in this state. You attack attempts to make markets more free.
This is why you're called a Marxist.
Unilateral, disadvantaged trade is not a free market. But you're so fucking retarded and accept the lies it is, that you blindly repeat it.
You're an idiot. An idiot for actual Marxists.
I want a free market. Marxists want that too? Interesting
I am not a libertarian.
I use, when pressed, the term 'rational anarchist'.
It is you who defend nothing of liberty.
When one pursues free trade, you scream for 'fairness', for controls, for the status quo.
When someone tries to free speech from the fetters placed upon it by the left you grasp those fetters like lifelines, and try to justify them with leftist platitudes and dogma coached in language you hope sounds like what actual lovers of liberty would say.
Hell, you need an AI to put forth a definition of libertarianism.
Sad collectivist. You have lost.
This is absolutely not what real libertarians support.
You have no idea what libertarians support.
Every word out of your mouth is in support of the statist, leftist, collectivist status quo.
Libertarians --REAL libertarians want that destroyed.
Trump and his maga movement are doing some of that destruction.
YOU and your collectivist cronies are fighting every thing they do.
And it oozes from you. It hurts you to use your beloved 'socialist' as an insult, but you must, because you think it wounds us.
You've lost. It's over. Only the woodchipper awaits.
Libertarians --REAL libertarians want that destroyed.
Are "REAL libertarians" the same as TRUE libertarians?
We just call you guys who push marxism and globalist lies as such. Hoping one day youll realize after being wrong on every false narrative that maybe you were lied to.
Sanders is really having a hard time distinguishing himself from Trump on trade. Indeed Sanders loved tariffs and promoted them when Trump was still just a crooked real estate developer.
Trump's comments are an explicit rejection of materialism, abundance, and capitalism itself.
This gives Trump too much credit for thinking
thisanything through and having anything that resembles an economic philosophy or theory in his head. You were right the first time when you said that all of this was to satisfy his pride. (I'd have said his ego, though.)Only a repulsive MAGA piece of shit could support the President controlling the power of the purse (literally, as in he is trying to manipulate the market to change our consumer habits more to his liking) and then fucking lecture free market capitalists like myself on how we're being "libtards" opposing Mango Mao's agenda.
Fuck all of you MAGA degenerates.
And you continue to demonstrate how dumb you are while continuing to claim the markets prior to Jan 20th was a free market.
Retards gonna retard though.
Bingo. This actually isn't much like Mao, or Stalin, but it is very Very VERY similar to Mussolini. And just like Mussolini, he has a political party willing to lie cheat and steal for his purposes.
And they call me TDS when I point this out. I take that as a badge of honor.
"Libertarianism is a political philosophy emphasizing individual liberty and limited government. It prioritizes personal freedom, free markets, and individual rights, advocating for minimal government intervention in people's lives, businesses, and property. Libertarians believe in the inherent rights of individuals to life, liberty, and property, and they generally oppose government actions that infringe upon these rights." -Google AI
Most of the commenters on reason.com defend NONE of these principles and actually go after the people who do. GET OFF THIS PAGE, INFILTRATORS. You're more of an invading force than "illegal" immigrants are.
Illegal immigrants are heroes. You guys are zeroes. Die!
You literally continue to defend the very system that is none of those things lol.
Keep talking like this and one of Trump's commissars is going to cut your pencil and doll ration in half.
I am not a libertarian, because I do see more valid roles for government than the typical libertarian ideology allows. But some of the libertarian heroes also do -- both Hayek and Friedman supported mandatory universal health insurance.
To have a functioning free society, we have to allow some of our rights to be infringed to have things like electric and gas utilities, roads, railroads, and airports, a functioning healthcare system, functioning schools, law enforcement, and a functioning legal system. Somalia is basically libertarian -- no real government in most of the country -- but it is no paradise.
Nevertheless personal freedom, free markets, individual rights, non-intrusive government, and property rights are important to a free society and the MAGA crowd doesn't support any of these.
Illegal immigrants are heroes. You guys are zeroes. Die!
You first, malbushim.
What does it mean when both major political parties are anti-growth and anti-materialism? What does it mean when the political apparatus of a country is wholly aligned for it to fail?
It means that the globalist elite have hardened their grip on power to the point where democratic republican governments have become an irrelevant sideshow. The managed collapse and population reduction are beginning.
Here in New York the Democrats are pro-growth and the Republicans are anti-growth. No surprise that the parts of the state that have been having population losses are the Republican areas upstate.
The sick fake libertarians on here support shit like this
"It reads like a declaration of war, but with no named enemy and no battlefield. President Donald Trump’s April 2025 executive order titled “Strengthening and Unleashing America’s Law Enforcement to Pursue Criminals and Protect Innocent Citizens” is written in the language of emergency, where words like “lawless violence” and “injustice” gesture toward chaos while carefully avoiding the word. It offers no data, no thresholds, no limiting principle. Just one claim, repeated in various forms: that the state is under siege, and only unrestrained police and prosecutors, controlled by Trump, can rescue it. Joined with Trump’s newly extorted pledges of legal service from the country’s most powerful firms, this order does more than expand state power—it unleashes one of Trumpism’s core doctrines on the public: a police state sanctified, weaponized by law, upheld by lawyers who mistake résumé lines for moral courage, and placed entirely under the command of a man who bends the system to his will and answers only to himself."
Everything Is So Terrible And Unfair, BS.
Haha. What a whiny doosh.
The ONE thing Trump is unbelievably skilled at is getting people to be pants-pissing scared of things that don’t exist.
There never has been an immigration or border crisis.
There isn’t a national surge in crime.
The United States has not been getting taken advantage of in trade.
This man is unbelievable at taking the mentally feeble and molding their brains into tiny little organs, terrified of their own shadows.
Hon, you've commented SEVENTEEN TIMES on the same article.
Once is more than enough. You win Mute.
Tariffs are just another tax and like all other taxes they are essentially bad, but at times are necessary as a tool to level the playing field.
The arguments for and against tariffs are largely based on nonsense. If you take either side to the logical conclusion at the end of both, you end with a unsustainable scenario.
Murder is just another method of conflict resolution and all other methods are essentially bad, but at times are necessary as a tool to level the playing field.
The arguments for and against murder are largely based on nonsense. If you take either side to the logical conclusion at the end of both, you end with an unsustainable scenario.