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India vs. Pakistan (and China)

Plus: Conclave time, land acknowledgements, deporting to Libya, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 5.7.2025 9:35 AM

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India strikes Pakistan: Last month, there was a terrorist attack in India-controlled Kashmir that killed 26 tourists. Yesterday, India conducted several airstrikes on Pakistan, saying the strikes were retribution for the attack.

The strikes may not have been as successful as the Indian military had hoped. "At least two aircraft were said to have gone down in India and the Indian-controlled side of Kashmir, according to three officials, local news reports, and accounts of witnesses who had seen the debris of two," reports The New York Times. "Pakistani military officials said that more than 20 people had been killed and dozens injured after six places were hit on the Pakistani side of Kashmir and in Punjab Province. Residents of the Indian side of Kashmir said at least 10 people had been killed in shelling from the Pakistani side since India carried out its strikes."

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Pakistan called the strikes "an unprovoked and blatant act of war." India said the strikes were "measured, responsible and designed to be nonescalatory in nature" focused only on "known terror camps."

"The scale of the strikes went far beyond New Delhi's response to previous attacks in Kashmir it has blamed on Pakistan, including in 2019 and 2016, which some analysts said meant the risk of escalation was higher," reports Reuters. But "the last time India and Pakistan faced off in a military confrontation, in 2019, U.S. officials detected enough movement in the nuclear arsenals of both nations to be alarmed," reports The New York Times. 

There's also, of course, the China factor: Pakistan now gets lots of its weapons from China, whereas India is more reliant on the West; relations between India and China have soured in recent years, while China and Pakistan have gotten much closer.

Conclave begins: Pope Francis, who died on April 21, expanded the number of cardinals. The conclave that appointed him a little more than a decade ago was comprised of 115 cardinals from 48 countries, whereas this conclave—which commences today—will have 133 voting-age cardinals (those under 80), from roughly 70 countries. In total, including those over 80, there are now 252 cardinals from more parts of the world than ever before.

Possible contenders for the next pope include Cardinal Pietro Parolin, who is basically the second-in-command and well-liked in the Vatican bureaucracy (but has come under scrutiny for dealmaking with China), and Cardinal Luis Antonio Gokim Tagle of the Philippines, who would be a Francis-like successor.

There's also Cardinal Péter Erdő of Hungary, a more conservative and scholarly pick. There's Cardinal Fridolin Ambongo Besungu, from the Democratic Republic of Congo, a pick that would represent the Catholic Church's growing presence in Africa (and possibly a more conservative shift). Or Cardinal Jean-Marc Aveline, whose humble personal style is reminiscent of Francis and who has deep theological knowledge and a bridge-building background. Or Cardinal Fernando Filoni, a longtime diplomat for the Vatican, who was close with Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI, but not with Pope Francis.

Land acknowledgements were always bullshit: "The United States, like all nations, was created through territorial conquest. Most of its current territory was occupied or frequented by human beings before the U.S. came; the U.S. used force to either displace, subjugate, or kill all of those people. To the extent that land 'ownership' existed under the previous inhabitants, the land of the U.S. is stolen land," writes Noah Smith at his Substack. "This was also true before the U.S. arrived. The forcible theft of the land upon which the U.S. now exists was not the first such theft; the people who lived there before conquered, displaced, or killed someone else in order to take the land.…The moral principle to which [land acknowledgements] appeal is ethnonationalism—it's the idea that plots of land are the rightful property of ethnic groups."

Land acknowledgements—which I see every time I go to an art museum anywhere within the five boroughs—were always predicated on the myth of the Noble Savage, that the tribes the European settlers encountered were a largely peaceable people living in glorious harmony with their surroundings. But Smith extends the logic out even further.

"Once the logic of land acknowledgements and 'decolonization' is followed," Smith concludes, "it leads very quickly to some very dark futures. Assigning each person a homeland based on their ethnic ancestry, and then declaring that that homeland is the only place they or their descendants can ever truly belong, would not be an act of justice; it would be a global nightmare made real, surpassing even the horrors of previous centuries."

(Read on for Smith's tale of Squamish YIMBYs trying to make bank.)


Scenes from New York: "Every place where I had seen something or someone that provoked unease was deemed permanently suspect," writes Lena Dunham of her much-hated hometown, New York City. "And, if you couldn't return to the scene of some randomized chaos in pre-Giuliani Manhattan, you couldn't do much at all. For so many people, New York seems to open a portal to the expansive lives they had always felt they should be living. For me, the city constricted until the only place I felt safe was in my loft bed at the back of our apartment, my head in a book, the faint sounds of the streets below my window like a white-noise machine that occasionally yelled, 'Out of my way, motherfucker!'…All this may seem to imply some deeper judgment about the city—that I think it's wanton and unregulated, a 'Where's Waldo?' of Boschian perversion."

The whole essay is kind of a delightful read if you can get over the byline.


QUICK HITS

  • "Newark has lost 20% of its air traffic controllers in recent weeks all on its own, with United CEO Scott Kirby claiming they simply 'walked off the job,' which seems to have followed malfunctions in radar and radio (what)," writes G.B. Rango at Pirate Wires. "Now, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy is begging for hires, offering $5k bonuses while speaking ominously of 'cracks in the system.' Which would be terrifying if I wasn't already doing everything humanly possible to avoid Newark Airport." ("Five FAA employees—a supervisor, three controllers and one trainee—took 45 days of trauma leave after the [recent] outage, according to the air traffic controller," per CNN.)
  • The Trump administration plans to deport migrants—nationalities currently unclear—to Libya in lieu of El Salvador. "The Libya operation falls in line with the Trump administration's effort to not only deter migrants from trying to enter the country illegally but also to send a strong message to those in the country illegally that they can be deported to countries where they could face brutal conditions," per The New York Times.
  • "Last week, the NJ district court in Mahmoud Khalil's case issued a 108-page decision that hasn't received adequate attention. The judge found that the Article III court has jurisdiction over Khalil's habeas petition," writes attorney Jenin Younes on X. "The judge found that Khalil is entitled to review of his petition in federal court. But arguably more crucially, the judge observed that Khalil raised a plausible claim he is being detained and deported in unlawful retaliation for exercising his First Amendment rights that warrant further examination, and has said additional orders will follow shortly." Full decision here.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    India strikes Pakistan...

    Nuke! Nuke! Nuke!

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

      More like…

      Shit! Shit! Shit!

    2. Public Entelectual   2 months ago

      They both grew their own, and Pakistan's answer to Oppenheimer tried with some success to export enrichment and bomb tech all the way from Tripoli to Tehran.

      After its successful underground A-bomb tests in the 90's Islamabad's papers editorialized in favor of going thermonuclear ASAP.

  2. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    "was comprised of 115 cardinals"

    No. It's "comprised 115" or "composed of 115".

    1. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

      What are you, the grammar pope?

      1. Mickey Rat   2 months ago

        To have some kind of expectation for professional writers to know grammar is such a drag, man.

      2. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

        MO just better not repost a photo where he's wearing the Papal tiara.

    2. mad.casual   2 months ago

      "The conclave that appointed him a little more than a decade ago was comprised 115 cardinals from 48 countries,"?

      "The conclave that appointed him a little more than a decade ago composed of 115 from 48 countries,"?

      1. Zeb   2 months ago

        I think "done comprised" is the proper construction.

        1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 months ago

          "done got"

          1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

            You're both wrong. It's "done been comprised".

  3. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Conclave begins: Pope Francis, who died on April 21, expanded the number of cardinals.

    SPOILER ALERT: The new pope might have some lady bits.

    1. Randy Sax   2 months ago

      Did you actually watch that awful movie?

      1. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

        I did. I was an altar boy so I can speak with absolute authority on it.

        I didn't mind it. The Church is a human institution subject to human frailties, and personally I don't see it as an affront to dramatize that. (It would be interesting to see certain other religions subject to a similar treatment, though.)

        SPOILER ALERT

        The twist was stupid but having the cardinal be SPOILER ALERT ntersex - which is an actual birth defect as opposed to a mental defect - instead of trans was perversely refreshing as I had different expectations given the environment in Hollywood the past few years. Reading what doctors used to do to children born intersex was horrifying, although that played no part in this movie.

        1. Randy Sax   2 months ago

          I didn't see it as a "affront", more just boring. Not enough guns or tits or explosions.

          I didn't see it, the Boyscast spent half an hour ripping on it and that was my takeaway.

          1. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

            Yeah I had to pause that episode to hurry up and watch it. In fact, that was my sole motivation. But I don't slow moving movies every once in a while.

  4. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    'Where's Waldo?' of Boschian perversion."

    The allusion will trip up a lot of people who will wonder what a fictional cop has to do with it. People who get the first reference will likely never get the second, and vice versa.

    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 months ago

      Liz's admiration of such a weak and self-indulgent metaphor is disturbing. I can't even fathom what it is supposed to mean, which, I'm sure, is entirely the point of the author; to come across as "in touch with culture" while communicating nothing of substance.

    2. Zeb   2 months ago

      So no one who was a kid in the 90s ever learned about European renaissance art?

    3. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

      Hieronymus is my homeboy.
      Seriously, I have a copy of the Ship of Fools on the wall in my den.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   2 months ago

        That makes sense. I can see you getting some sick religious pleasure from all the suffering humans in The Garden of Delights.

        1. DesigNate   2 months ago

          You’re an idiot.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

            The latter part of this is befitting of Shrike: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheFarSide/comments/1cmbi9a/ship_of_fools_car_of_idiots/?rdt=37434

        2. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

          Hahaha, tell me you know nothing about art and googled the name without saying so expressly. I know it's not your favorite anime kiddieporn artist, Pluggo, so I can understand your ignorance.

      2. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

        I have “Ship of Fools/Car of Idiots” in a book on one of my bookshelves.

  5. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 months ago

    I think it's wanton and unregulated, a 'Where's Waldo?' of Boschian perversion.

    I can't imagine calling any piece containing that line of nonsense "delightful". You are better than this, Liz. Go read Politics and the English Language, and then assess that piece again.

    1. Social Justice is neither   2 months ago

      I could see delighting in the schadenfreude of Lena Dunham being deathly afraid of the city that was everything her black proggie heart desired.

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 months ago

        I like the way you think.

      2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

        Isn't that the cunt that who falsly accused a guy from her collage because he was republican?

        1. Use the Schwartz   2 months ago

          collage

          Punning, or Punning-Kruger?

    2. Zeb   2 months ago

      I thought it painted a pretty good picture of NYC. Of course Bosch himself was sort of the original Where's Waldo of Boschian perversion.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

        Ask AI to produce a Where's Waldo scene in the style of Hieronymus Bosch?

  6. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Land acknowledgements were always bullshit...

    In deed.

    Ha! Get it?

    1. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

      That one landed

      1. Ajsloss   2 months ago

        Went over my scalp.

        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

          I have a reservation regarding these puns.

      2. Overt   2 months ago

        Whichever one of these guys tries another pun, I'm gonna wampum.

        1. Ajsloss   2 months ago

          Better yet, totem up a pole, then drop 'em.

    2. Ska   2 months ago

      You should pay a fee for those kinds of jokes.

    3. Randy Sax   2 months ago

      "I acknowledge that this stadium was build on land that was previously occupied by... some low rent apartments that we eminent domained to build this stadium."

    4. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

      I have reservations about that pun

    5. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 months ago

      You may have just mortgaged your future with that one.

  7. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

    The Met Gala looks like a scene from The Hunger Games.

    1. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

      If you take a video of downtown LA and juxtapose it to the met gala, you get a 1:1 remake of the hunger games

    2. DesigNate   2 months ago

      Considering The Capital was an amalgamation of DC and NYC, that totally tracks.

  8. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Possible contenders for the next pope include...

    ...His Holiness-elect, Pope Donald.

    1. THX1138   2 months ago

      We'll know when we see the orange smoke.

      1. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

        Papam habemus!

      2. Public Entelectual   2 months ago

        Does orange smoke mean they've elected an Irish antipope?

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 months ago

      After he finishes his 3rd term in 2032.

    3. Randy Sax   2 months ago

      I like Danny McBride as the next pope.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdBD7JPoDDM

      1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

        Or Scotty? (who doesn't know...)

        https://youtu.be/y5QdsBJh1L0

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

          His friend Cooper.

          Cooper: Hey, check this out! I'm the pope!
          Scott: Cooper... take off the pope hat.

          Later…

          Scott: [Points to Cooper's hat] Cooper, the hat! The hat! The hat is on fire!
          Cooper: "We don't need no water let the m... "
          Scott: I'm not kidding! Look!
          Cooper: Oh, holy shit!

  9. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    The United States, like all nations, was created through territorial conquest.

    YOU HEAR THAT, GREENLAND?

    1. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

      new PM telling Trump that "Canada isnt for sale!"

      Poor fucker thought we were going to pay him?

      1. mad.casual   2 months ago

        My understanding is that parts of Canada are trying to give themselves away.

        1. Randy Sax   2 months ago

          Alberta, maybe northwest territories.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

            Alberta and Saskatchewan both have petitions going around for signature for a vote on independence from Canada (like Quebec did back in 1995). Should they go, it’s likely the entire West will go (BC, AB, SK, MB, NT, and YT), but they’ll go as an independent country, together.

            1. Randy Sax   2 months ago

              Named what? Canada 2?

            2. Marshal   2 months ago

              We should trade California for them. It's be a hoot watching them argue over how to ruin their country the fastest.

  10. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Land acknowledgements...were always predicated on the myth of the Noble Savage...

    They used every part of the settler.

  11. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

    What a surprise, the foreign aid official who was celebrated for bravely refusing Trump’s appointee as chairman of the board and DOGEs access to his agency’s financial records was taking kickbacks.

    Foreign Aid Official Who Resisted DOGE Took Secret Payments After Steering Africa Money To Friend

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

      “I am shocked-shocked-to find that gambling is going on in here!”

      How many others of La Resistance were/are getting NGO kickbacks as well? I’m willing to bet a non-insignificant number have been.

      1. Idaho-Bob   2 months ago

        All. The quantity is all of them.

    2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

      This is why the left fought so hard to deny audits. And our usual leftist losers fought against the audits through ignorance.

      Bessent in an interview yesterday was saying a full third of payments are not tied to an appropriation.

      1. Overt   2 months ago

        "And our usual leftist losers fought against the audits through ignorance."

        No, through tribal allegiance.

        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

          I argue their allegiance comes through ignorance. A reliance on corporate and one sided media.

          1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

            Tribal ignorlegiance.

  12. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    The whole essay is kind of a delightful read if you can get over the byline.

    I cannot.

    1. mad.casual   2 months ago

      Yeeeeah. Art immitating life immitating art; the reason I cannot get over the byline is not because of the specific arrangement of letters therein.

  13. sarcasmic   2 months ago

    "The Libya operation falls in line with the Trump administration's effort to not only deter migrants from trying to enter the country illegally but also to send a strong message to those in the country illegally that they can be deported to countries where they could face brutal conditions,"

    So Trump is shopping around for foreign torture prisons where he can pay to house people he deports without any due process, in defiance of the courts, knowing that will result in mistakes (foreseeable consequences are not unintended), and then lie and say that once they're deported there's nothing he can do. That's pretty sick.

    And his defenders are proud of this.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

      I don’t really care, Strawcasmic.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

        Oh we know.

        Where do you draw the line at the level of treatment that those dirty filthy illegals are subjected to by the government? You don't care that they don't receive any meaningful due process. You don't care that they wind up in a foreign gulag. You don't care if the government separates families and deliberately creates orphans. What level of treatment is too terrible even for you to tolerate?

        1. sarcasmic   2 months ago

          As I've said before, Trump's defenders would like nothing more than a final solution to the immigrant problem, but they know they couldn't get away with it. So they settle for the next best thing, which is foreign torture prisons.

          I'm wondering how long until Trump makes a deal with Putin to put deportees in the literal Siberian gulag. That would please his defenders to no end.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

            I think they will continue to defend harsh and unjust treatment of migrants, right up until the moment where either (1) it affects them personally, or (2) it harms their chances of staying in power. But in no case would they change their mind based on the treatment of the migrants themselves.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

              Again, you’re abusing language. These are not “migrants”, they are illegal aliens. Stop conflating the two terms.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

                They are migrants, which is an accurate term to describe "people who migrate". And before you start policing my language, maybe you should try telling your team to stop calling them INVADERS.

                1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

                  They are illegal aliens in terms of the law when they’re here and have not properly applied for citizenship or visas.

                2. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

                  They are criminals who deliberately and purposefully broke laws. Fuck you, Jeff.

                3. See.More   2 months ago

                  before you start policing my language, maybe you should try telling your team to stop calling them INVADERS.

                  in·vad·er
                  /inˈvādər/
                  noun
                  noun: invader; plural noun: invaders
                  a person or group that invades a country, region, or other place.

                  in·vade
                  /inˈvād/
                  verb
                  3rd person present: invades
                  enter (a place, situation, or sphere of activity) in large numbers, especially with intrusive effect.
                  "demonstrators invaded the Presidential Palace"

                  (of a parasite or disease) spread into (an organism or bodily part).
                  "sometimes the worms invade the central nervous system"

                  (of a person or emotion) encroach or intrude on.
                  "he felt his privacy was being invaded"

        2. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

          Oh yes, the old “You don't care that they wind up in a foreign gulag. You don't care if the government separates families and deliberately creates orphans” crap. The separation of families happens when one member commits a crime and gets sent to prison. Orphans are only created when both parents are deceased. Don’t misuse that term. Of course, you and Sarc had no issue with families being separated when the J6ers were sent to long-term holding cells with no due process and made to sign excessive plea deals, hypocrite.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

            The separation of families happens when one member commits a crime and gets sent to prison.

            Illegal entry is a misdemeanor. If dad is pulled over for a speeding ticket, should he be sent to prison too? It is your team's deliberate choice to treat the crime of illegal entry as far worse than it really is for the specific purpose of "setting an example" and being deliberately cruel.

            families being separated when the J6ers were sent to long-term holding cells with no due process and made to sign excessive plea deals, hypocrite.

            Every single Jan. 6 defendant received vastly more due process than Garcia received. Every single one had the right to a jury trial, and no one was forced to sign any plea agreement. If Garcia received the treatment that Jan. 6 defendants received, that would be a step in the right direction!

            1. sarcasmic   2 months ago

              It is your team's deliberate choice to treat the crime of illegal entry as far worse than it really is for the specific purpose of "setting an example" and being deliberately cruel.

              Good people don't see cruelty as a virtue.

              Every single Jan. 6 defendant received vastly more due process than Garcia received.

              Yup. They got due process good and hard. But Trump defenders will of course lie and claim they got none, because that's what liars do. I don't know why you engage with people who are incapable of making good faith arguments.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

                So should they be shot dead for trespassing, Sarc?

            2. damikesc   2 months ago

              "Illegal entry is a misdemeanor. If dad is pulled over for a speeding ticket, should he be sent to prison too?"

              Feel free to generate a remotely cogent comparison.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

                It is.

                1. damikesc   2 months ago

                  I would ask, again, if you're too dumb or dishonest to discuss this --- what is the point of conversing with you instead of just mocking you, ala Pluggo?

                2. DesigNate   2 months ago

                  It is not.

            3. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

              Except for the ones that got shot in the face, which according to you the cops had every right to do to each and every single one of them.

            4. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

              "Illegal entry is a misdemeanor. If dad is pulled over for a speeding ticket, should he be sent to prison too"

              No, he should get the punishment prescribed by law. For illegal aliens, by and large, the "punishment" is simply deportation back to their home country. And in many cases, the due process involved is simply "We caught you, you're an illegal alien with no mitigating circumstances, you are being administratively deported, get on the bus. Next!"

            5. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 months ago

              “If dad is pulled over for a speeding ticket…”

              What about if “Maryland dad” is pulled over and smuggling humans? Let him go on his way?

              You see, dumbass, this all could’ve been avoided, but noooo…. Lol.

              Take some responsibility.

        3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 months ago

          And yet, if they leave right now…..

      2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

        Sarc putted another sock last night in the sullum thread. Having a bad week.

    2. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

      Well it's a bit of a lie, so I don't care. When another country imprisons their own citizens for shit that country deems illegal, I fail to see how that's Trump's fault. They broke American law, they got expelled, they got arrested by their own country, not America's problem anymore.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

        https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senator-presses-trump-wrongly-detained-man-after-el-salvador-cites-us-funds-2025-04-29/

        He said, "we have a deal with the U.S. government. They send people. We host them. They pay. And that’s it," the senator wrote in the letter to Trump, citing Ulloa.

        The US government is paying the El Salvador government specifically to house people at their gulag.

        1. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

          "Van Hollen citing Ulloa"

          Here's where the fibbing starts. Van Hollen is lying, just like you.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

            It must be nice to make up your own reality. Conveniently, everyone who says something that disagrees with your narrative is supposedly a liar.

            So if your claim is true, what is the crime that Garcia was charged with? Sure doesn't look like he had a trial. So he was thrown in prison without ever being convicted of a crime by a court of law in El Salvador? Gee, that sounds terrible. Maybe Garcia has a good reason to claim asylum from that type of authoritarian government abuse, don't you think?

            1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

              Not good enough to convince a judge to grant him asylum, though.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

                You do understand that the reason why Garcia's application for asylum in 2019 was turned down was NOT based on the merits of the claim, but because the 1-year time limit had run out?

                That is why he got the 'withholding of removal' order from the judge instead. It was the next best thing that the judge was legally allowed to do.

                1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

                  Activist judge rapes law. News at 11.

        2. sarcasmic   2 months ago

          That fact right there shows that Trump and his defenders are lying when they say "Once someone is deported to prison there's nothing that can be done!" Sure there is. Tell them to send the guy back if they want to get paid. But Trump and his defenders will continue to lie about this.

          It's also very telling and very disgusting that Trump is picking some of the cruelest prisons in the entire world because he couldn't get away with treating people that way on American soil. This gives his defenders wood, but anyone who isn't a malicious xenophobe should be deeply disturbed by this.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 months ago

            It's also very telling and very disgusting that Trump is picking some of the cruelest prisons in the entire world because he couldn't get away with treating people that way on American soil.

            The CIA's used USAID as their front group for the very same purpose for decades. Trump's not setting any kind of precedent here.

            1. sarcasmic   2 months ago

              It was morally repugnant then, and it still is.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

                So no “Democrats did it first” strawman?

        3. damikesc   2 months ago

          Yes, I trust Van Hollen on anything...

      2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

        The idiot Marxists don't understand this point.

        Has been numerous watching the 2 Marxists screaming Trump is an authoritarian demand Trump manage foreign legal systems.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

          No, maybe Trump the Master Dealmaker can make a deal with the government of El Salvador along the lines of, "hey, why don't you turn over Garcia to us, otherwise we won't pay you any more money to house prisoners at your prison". Doesn't require the US government asserting control over the El Salvador judicial system or sending in the Marines to extract Garcia by force.

          1. sarcasmic   2 months ago

            He knows all this, but is arguing in bad faith as always. That's why there's no point in engaging with him. All he does is lie and misrepresent, because at his core he's a simply bad person.

          2. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

            Why? So he can be removed to Costa Rica or Panama instead?

            Did he or did he not have a valid outstanding removal order?

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

              Because he does not belong IN PRISON.

              1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 months ago

                Most gangbangers do. Why not him? The domestic battery, the human trafficking, that’s just the stuff we are certain about

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

                  Was he ever convicted of a crime that would justify prison time?

                  Are you now advocating for people to be thrown in prison based on outrage over his dirty laundry aired to the public?

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

                    He is an El Salvadoran citizen. What they do with his is none of our business. He doesn’t belong here though.

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

                      No, the US government is paying the government of El Salvador to hold him in that prison.

                      But hey, let's just entertain your claim for a moment. What crime did he allegedly commit in El Salvador? Did he receive a trial in El Salvador? Doesn't look like it. So Garcia was thrown in prison without being accused of a crime and without a trial. Sounds like the government is oppressing him, no? That is one reason why asylum exists. You are unintentionally making the case for why Garcia deserves asylum.

                    2. damikesc   2 months ago

                      We do not have any evidence of that. We have the "man"'s home country treating their own citizen in a way. Not. My. Concern.

                    3. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 months ago

                      Jeff, you stupid lying Fvck, for the 200th time, we were paying Zelle Salvador to imprison Venezuelans that Venezuela would not take back

                  2. rbike   2 months ago

                    Sounds like the next alternative will be Libya or even some other African state.
                    When the South Americans realize they may end up stuck in Africa, they are probably headed home.

              2. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

                So if we get him out of El Salvador prison, but immediately deport him to Costa Rica, Panama, or Libya, or wherever else we can get 3rd countries to take deportees--in accordance with the original removal orders--he'll be out of prison AND out of the US. I'm fine with that. OTOH, if he illegally returns to the US again, getting the "trespassers should be shot int he face" treatment might apply.

            2. sarcasmic   2 months ago

              Why?

              Because the Supreme fucking Court told Trump to facilitate his return, which could easily be done despite the lies coming from Trump and his defenders.

              So he can be removed to Costa Rica or Panama instead?

              Yes. He has been ordered out of the country, just not to El Salvador. And certainly not to a torture prison in El Salvador.

              1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 months ago

                “…,.not to a torture prison.”

                Lol. You drama queens really undermine everything you say with hyperbole.

                I’m a little disappointed you didn’t work in “disappeared” to your nonsense. Are you transitioning to “genociding”? Haha.

                1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

                  He has used disappear many times the last few weeks. He just repeats whatever maddow says Monday.

          3. damikesc   2 months ago

            Why would he?

            Courts cannot force international negotiations.

            Humoring them is asinine.

    3. Overt   2 months ago

      "So Trump is shopping around for foreign torture prisons where he can pay to house people he deports without any due process, in defiance of the courts, knowing that will result in mistakes (foreseeable consequences are not unintended), and then lie and say that once they're deported there's nothing he can do. That's pretty sick."

      Yes, this is exactly what I said weeks ago:
      https://reason.com/2025/04/17/federal-appeals-court-rejects-trump-administrations-attempt-to-block-return-of-kilmar-abrego-garcia/?comments=true#comment-11009262

      The Biden administration broke our immigration system by purposely overloading the Asylum system with millions of requests that could never be adjudicated. This cynical method uses people as props- encouraging them to settle here so that in 4 - 8 years when their asylum case is heard and rejected, they can be a heart-wrenching case of evil government brutality. "Oh look, they are deporting a mom and her anchor baby. Can't we make an exception for these (checks notes) 11 million people and their kids?"

      Trump is cynically using Garcia as a prop- showing every one of those millions of asylum seekers that they could self deport under their own terms, or risk being grabbed by the government and sent to god-knows-where.

      It was horrible when democrats did it to MILLIONS of people. And it is horrible that Trump is doing it to hundreds right now.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

        The Biden administration broke our immigration system by purposely overloading the Asylum system with millions of requests that could never be adjudicated. This cynical method uses people as props- encouraging them to settle here so that in 4 - 8 years when their asylum case is heard and rejected, they can be a heart-wrenching case of evil government brutality. "Oh look, they are deporting a mom and her anchor baby. Can't we make an exception for these (checks notes) 11 million people and their kids?"

        Or, it could be that the Biden admin was following the law which grants to migrants the right to request asylum, and when the number of asylum applications became unmanageable, the Biden admin went to Congress to ask for more resources, which was a part of the bipartisan immigration bill that was negotiated. Of course, Trump deliberately sabotaged this bill because he wanted to run on the issue of immigration rather than do something to try to fix it, specifically so that he could generate narratives like the one above, that Biden deliberately flooded the country with millions of invaders and that only Trump could stop it.

        1. damikesc   2 months ago

          Since you are either dumb or incapable of honestly discussing what that laughable bill contained, what is the point in attempting to converse with you?

          1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

            He is both.

        2. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

          Biden admin was following the law

          Assumes facts not in evidence.

          Ignoring the law. Now, that's a Biden administration.

        3. DesigNate   2 months ago

          “OF COURSE most of the applicants aren't really fleeing persecution in any meaningful sense.”

          You keep acknowledging that they don’t really qualify for asylum, and that it is pretty well known that most will not. So no, Biden did not follow immigration law.

        4. Overt   2 months ago

          "Or, it could be that the Biden admin was following the law which grants to migrants the right to request asylum, and when the number of asylum applications became unmanageable,"

          No, you are wrong, and you don't know what you are talking about. I don't know where the fuck you are getting your talking points, but if you are going to make up hypotheticals, deal with the actual facts at hand.

          It is a fact that the VAST MAJORITY of these people will be denied asylum upon receiving their hearing. The rate was over 2/3 before the government started pumping money into these mass migrations, it will likely be higher still as the last 4 years of backlog begins to hit.

          It is a fact that NGOs know that every person they trafficked through the Asylum system will be likely rejected, and required to go home as soon as the hearing is over. There are several basic tests that these NGOs could have used to determine that the people would be denied, but they deliberately did not use them. Because the millions of people who would be rejected after settling in this country was a FEATURE not a bug.

          It is a fact that nevertheless, the Biden administration funded these NGOs, and made changes to process to make it easier to apply for Asylum status. They did this KNOWING that the vast majority of people who applied would be rejected and sent home.

          So whether the Biden Admin intended to get additional resources from congress, it would only be to more rapidly deport the people that they were enrolling through their own actions. Color me skeptical that this was their plan.

          "Of course, Trump deliberately sabotaged this bill"

          Trump didn't do shit, because he was not in office. He may have said plenty of stuff, but what the Biden Admin did was on them and them alone. If they didn't have the resources to give timely approval to Asylum seekers, then they shouldn't have shoveled money hand over fist to get people into that pipeline.

          Everyone can see what the plan was here. Fill the pipeline, so that in 4 years when these poor pawns get deported, you get hundreds and thousands of news stories about poor person X being sent with their anchor babies back to El Salvador or Venezuela.

          It is hilarious to see you ascribing "sabotage" to Trump who could do nothing but post on Truth Social, while giving a pass to the Biden Administration who actively pumped people like living cattle into a system that they KNEW would chew them up, disrupt their lives and send them packing home. You continue to demonstrate that you are a schill, Chemjeff. Good work.

          1. Overt   2 months ago

            Imagine the cold, heartless, ass you have to be to carry water for the Biden Administration here. Let's even assume for the slightest moment that Biden legitimately believed they could get the resources to administer a 100x increase in Asylum cases.

            All that means is that the Biden administration was spending absurd amounts of money to perform millions and millions of rug-pulls on hapless immigrants. They knew that upwards of 3 of every 4 immigrants who came into this country would be turned right around and sent home. They did nothing to pre-screen these people and in fact funded NGOs that knew how to exploit this law to get these people into the country (and qualify them for all sorts of federal handouts).

            So even IF the Biden Admin were well intentioned (and naive) enough to think they could suddenly turn on the spigot of Asylum deportations, that makes them look even worse- again, nothing more than cynical assholes giving immigrants a dream, sending them down the road to a hearing they knew would shatter those dreams in a 15 minute hearing.

            But because Trump was tweeting mean things from Truth Social while Biden perpetrated this cruel joke on tens of millions of immigrants, Chemjeff will spend hours trying to change the subject.

            THAT is Team Blue hysteria right there. Selling out all those immigrants, just to avoid his tribe looking slightly bad.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 months ago

            Fill the pipeline, so that in 4 years when these poor pawns get deported, you get hundreds and thousands of news stories about poor person X being sent with their anchor babies back to El Salvador or Venezuela.

            I honestly don't think that was the endgame plan. None of the Dems or their media allies expected Trump or any other Republican to be President. They thought he'd be in prison, and Biden would be running against some Paul Ryan-type of marshmallow like Nikki Haley who would be an easy pushover, just like they expected Jeb to be in 2016.

            Every action here reeks of Cloward-Piven/Alinsky political tactics--overwhelm the system, make the enemy live by its own rules, and when the collapse happens, the marxist utopia will arise in its place. It might sound like an Occam's Razor situation, but these people a leftist theocrats and missionaries. I go to academic conferences every year, and this is exactly how these type of people think.

            1. Overt   2 months ago

              The end game was to fundamentally change the country by importing immigrants into purple states. In order to do that they needed to legalize and naturalize all these people. Regardless of who the president would be, they would need political capital to pass a mass amnesty for these asylum seekers. And the tactic they were using was to overly delay the final hearing so that it would be as painful and heart-wrenching as possible when they finally got the deportation order.

        5. DesigNate   2 months ago

          “Of course, Trump deliberately sabotaged this bill”

          There was already an immigration bill sitting on Schumer’s desk. There was no need to pass the bullshit that the Democrats tried to push on us.

      2. mad.casual   2 months ago

        It was horrible when democrats did it to MILLIONS of people. And it is horrible that Trump is doing it to hundreds right now.

        And DeSantis teased the whole playbook and leftists openly kicked under-served black communities in the gonads while insisting that MV ushering immigrants out was just the only possible outcome of DeSantis' stunt.

        It's like the former environmentalists setting Teslas on fire. Even old, senile, dyed-in-the-wool party advocates like Maher and Stewart have to point out that you can't take the mask off, vandalize it, set it on fire, dump the ashes at the local South Side community center, and wear it too.

      3. Use the Schwartz   2 months ago

        Outstanding series of comments Overt.

  14. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Newark has lost 20% of its air traffic controllers in recent weeks all on its own...

    You can't take the trans out of transportation.

  15. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

    What Trump said: "Illegals are bad people, they are rapists, murderers, welfare cheats, cat eaters, and cannibals! I will deport them all!"
    What Trump voters heard: "Oh, he's only going to deport the bad people. He won't deport anyone I know, because none of them are bad people.
    Reality:
    https://www.newsweek.com/trump-voter-cost-mom-deportation-child-father-2068967

    She said it was a stark warning that immigration enforcement did not target only criminals but often ripped apart families who contributed positively to their communities.

    "I didn't post this for sympathy. But yall need to know it's not just 'bad' people with a criminal record being deported. These people are fathers......providers. Head of the household. The enemy wins by destroying the family unit with this policy," she wrote.

    1. sarcasmic   2 months ago

      Dude, they broke immigration law! That's even worse than ripping the tags off of mattresses!

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

        If you two assholes could ever get past your false equivalencies and strawmen tinged with TDS to see past them…

        Oh, who the fuck am I kidding?

        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

          It's all the have left.

          Nobody respects them. Doubt they even respect themselves. So they have anger.

      2. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

        You know how you never seem to know what "strawmanning" actually means, Sarckles?

        Well pay attention because Lying Jeffy is doing it right now,

    2. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

      I'll take shit that never happened for $1000, Lying Jeffy.

      Not that he wasn't deported, but the whole regretful Trump voter narrative that they've been trying to force for months now. Pure fiction.

      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

        Watching Luntz, CNN, Van Jones, et al all have the false narrative blow up in their scheduled interviews has been hilairpusbthough.

        1. DesigNate   2 months ago

          I saw that Van Jones one. Democrats really can’t grasp that they don’t own black people.

    3. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 months ago

      The enemy wins by destroying the family unit with this policy

      This is the sure sign of the Marxist agitator making a political statement. Accusing the other side of doing exactly what you have been doing for years.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 months ago

        It definitely has the strong whiff of the "concerned Christian conservatives" circa 2008.

    4. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

      "who contributed positively to their communities...fathers...providers. Head of the household."

      That's what the media told me every single day about Garcia, until the overwhelming pile of evidence built up that he was a wife beating gang member.

      Please, continue to die on this hill. Between this, the pedo shit, and the trans shit you will lose every election the next 10 years

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

        When you start conditioning liberty on the moral status of the individual involved, then we all lose. Because, news flash, nobody is a saint. I am quite certain that this person here is not a saint either. Maybe he once said mean things to his mom. Quelle horreur! But his liberty shouldn't depend on how good of a person he is. Neither should yours, or anyone's.

        What Team Trump is doing, is *first* imposing a sentence and punishing people, and *then* trying them in the court of public opinion, airing their dirty laundry for all in the world to see. Do you think YOU could withstand that type of scrutiny? Do you want a government that first imprisons you, and then riles up the mob to try to keep you in prison by telling the world every one of your dirty secrets?

        1. sarcasmic   2 months ago

          What Team Trump is doing, is *first* imposing a sentence and punishing people, and *then* trying them in the court of public opinion, airing their dirty laundry for all in the world to see.

          That's exactly right. Disappear the person and come up with an excuse later.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

            Are you now Jeffy’s little toady, jacking him off in the comments?

          2. DesigNate   2 months ago

            If he had been “disappeared”, we wouldn’t know where he is. /pedant off

        2. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

          When you start conditioning liberty on the moral status of the individual involved, then we all lose.

          Dumbass, we do this all the time when convicting and sentencing offenders in court. They did the crime and lose some liberty as a result. Or do you not believe in consequences for actions, Jeffy?

          And these deportees have had their due process and have had a deportation order issued against them.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

            No, it is based on the person's ACTIONS, not based on how bad of a person he/she is.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

              And thusly, their actions of illegally entering the country are being judged. Of course, it’s something you don’t like so you try to frame it as something else.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

                The crime of illegal entry is a misdemeanor. So why is Garcia in a foreign PRISON? Why is it at all relevant to bring up Garcia's domestic violence issues? Because Team Trump and you want to justify his harsh treatment by portraying him as an immoral bad person, far beyond the nature of the crime he has supposedly committed.

                1. Chupacabra   2 months ago

                  If only you showed this much concern for the victims of gang rapes.

                2. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

                  The penalty for illegal entry is deportation. What the other country does once the guy is deported is none of our business nor concern.

          2. Diarrheality   2 months ago

            Liberty is Jeff's ham-handed pretext for congressional reapportionment.

        3. Overt   2 months ago

          The problem, chemjeff, is that these people had an asylum hearing and they lost.

          For all the, "Oh noes, they followed the rules, how dare Trump!" people out there, these are the rules: As soon as your asylum is rejected (and 2/3 or more are rejected), you are obligated to leave the country. If you settled, married, had kids, etc- that is on you. You were never guaranteed to stay in the country, and it is up to you to bear the repercussions of unwinding your stay.

          Get ready because this is what is going to happen to around 11 - 20 million people who were ushered here under illegitimate reasons for the past four years. That is, they were given temporary status by requesting a hearing that everyone knows is unlikely to be approved. The people who cajoled them into filing these papers are, of course, the ones who should be blamed. They often do not explain what is happening to the immigrants, instead implying that they are being given permanent status. These people are the NGOs and apparatchiks of the Biden Administration that was welcoming them.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

            +1, Overt.

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

            The people who cajoled them into filing these papers are, of course, the ones who should be blamed.

            Sure. The migrants have no agency, they are just inanimate puppets. I expected more from you, Overt.

            1. Sailor1989   2 months ago

              That is not at all the point he was making.

            2. Overt   2 months ago

              Oh please, chemjeff. No one is falling for your "I'm offended on behalf of immigrants" bullshit. Just above you were throwing them under the bus so that you can defend Biden and Team Blue. Stop trying to use these people as a shield.

              Besides, your point undermines itself. If they have agency, then they should get what is coming to them. You can read the case law, and the articles, and understand that you are very, very unlikely to be approved for asylum. That means if you come to this country, set up shop, have children, and start a life- all knowing these facts- then we should feel no pity for you when the time comes to pay the piper.

              But, contrary to your point, most immigrants do not know what awaits them. They don't speak the language, and- let's be honest- immigration law is full of catch-22's and bureaucratic bullshit. As I noted in my previous post, most of these people are sold a false dream. They are told by NGO ads that they can get to America and start a new life. They fill out forms they can barely read, cajoled by activists who are deluded or Machiavellian enough to not disclose what they are getting these immigrants into.

              I know this happens, because I have close friends who spent years working the immigration courts in downtown LA. They dealt with these people DAILY. They are told they are applying for residence and then get a work permit, seemingly reinforcing that statement. By the time they ever receive a hearing, they've settled down, started a family, and are in for the shock of their lives.

              But I'm sure they appreciate you white knighting for them, chemjeff. Maybe when you get out of whatever white cloister you live in, (your mom's basement?) you might experience some hispanics.

            3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 months ago

              Lol. The pope of “white saviors”, chemtard is whining about “agency”? Too funny.

              When you sneak into a country there could be negative consequences. I’m sure the “migrants” know this. They are probably less traumatized about being sent home than you are on their behalf, you fat fucking emotional pussy. Grow up.

    5. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

      If someone is here illegally, without any special circumstance protection (e.g., pending asylum claim), deportation is the proper result. I don't care if they are good fathers or hard-core criminals. Well, that's not wholly true, hard-core criminals should never be admitted, while "good fathers" should be expected to follow the rules and welcomed when they do.

      Over 1M people every year play by the rules to become US citizens.

      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

        Jeff has retreated to an appeal to emotion because he has failed on every other attempt.

        Of course him and aarc dont realize their appeals ring hollow due to how they celebrated babbits death, j6ers removed from families, pro life attests, parents are school boards under investigation, etc.

        These appeals don't work when they show themselves to be so inconsistent with their views. Always political.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

          lol, it is your team that is appealing to emotion. All you have is demagoguery and scapegoating. Trump won on the issue of immigration not because he successfully convinced people that they are an economic burden. He won because he successfully scapegoated and demonized them as rapists, murderers, welfare cheats, cat eaters, and cannibals. He riled up the mob and Trump voters like the one above fell for it.

          The ONLY way your team can continue to justify the unjust unfair treatment of these migrants is by continually painting them as 'bad people' regardless of what they have actually done. So penniless Guatemalans seeking better lives for themselves become "invaders". A guy with the 'incorrect' clothing becomes a "gangbanger" and "terrorist". A guy who came to the US as a toddler, has a steady job, is married to a citizen, has a family and lives in the suburbs, just like lots and lots of ordinary Americans, becomes a "CRIMINAL INVADER".

          All you have are appeals to emotion, because you know that if it wasn't for the constant demagoguery and scapegoating, the people that your team are largely now deporting - not the actual criminals - would be worthy candidates for amnesty. And you will never ever tolerate that.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

            The amount of projection emanating off this comment is astounding.

            1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 months ago

              Jeffy is barely discernable from SQRLSY at this point. Other than references to flutes and horrible poetry, the Trumptator fan-fiction is no different.

            2. DesigNate   2 months ago

              He does that a lot.

          2. sarcasmic   2 months ago

            lol, it is your team that is appealing to emotion.

            In case you haven't noticed, Jesse likes to accuse others of doing what he is doing, while he is doing it, while also lying and claiming he's not doing it at all. His mendacity knows no bounds.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

              Dear God, even more projection from the king of JDS.

              1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

                It's a tie between sarc, Jeff and their socks at this point for who is king.

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

        Read the article.

        Baruth described her partner as a man who had lived in the U.S. for almost his entire life, arriving before he could walk, never committing a crime and making earnest efforts to secure legal status. He even made trips to Washington, D.C., hired immigration lawyers and did everything the "right way," she wrote—all to no avail.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

          And your point?

        2. damikesc   2 months ago

          People who were not involved in a riot at all suffered serious punishment due to 1/6.

          Cry more.

        3. See.More   2 months ago

          never committing a crime and making earnest efforts to secure legal status

          Do you not see how the second phrase, "making earnest efforts to secure legal status (emphasis added), contradicts the first phrase?

    6. damikesc   2 months ago

      Perhaps letting an illegal knock you up is an exceptionally poor idea...

  16. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    The Trump administration plans to deport migrants—nationalities currently unclear—to Libya in lieu of El Salvador.

    Oh my, I don't want to be anywhere near this when the first migrant of color is shipped to Africa.

    1. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

      "when the first migrant of color is shipped to Africa."

      Excuse me, I think you mean "father, husband, community leader, and all around mensch" of color

      1. mad.casual   2 months ago

        Michael Jackson impersonator of color.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

          Before or after his skin started changing color?

  17. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Last week, the NJ district court in Mahmoud Khalil's case issued a 108-page decision that hasn't received adequate attention.

    Grooooooooan.

    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

      Guy has open support for terrorism in his past. He lied on his original visa. It can be revoked at discretion of the executive.

      Didn't take 108 pages to lay out the actual relevant facts.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

        I get the 1st Amendment concerns and largely agree with them to be honest but I wonder what criteria propriety would allow us to use to screen guests to the country, and how we correct past lapses.

        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

          We have always revoked visas for lying. Find someone working on a travel visa, they get deported. Lie on a green card application, it gets revoked.

          Nothing unique or unusual here.

          The 1a argument is a false one. He shined sunlight on his own violations of the terms of his applications.

          If a murderer confesses in an interview and police arrest him, we do you claim that is retribution while screaming 1a.

          In fact in cases like the OJ book, proceeds from financial gains from crimes can even be taken.

          This isn't a 1a issue.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

            Even knowingly lying on other forms can carry a severe penalty. See how fast the IRS goes after someone should he/she knowingly lie on a 1040. Shoot, as an engineer I have to sign state issued forms that carry penalties for knowingly lying, which is considered a felony.

            1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

              Except illegal aliens can lie of Form 4473 without fear of being turned over to ICE...

              "In 2019, Democrats in the House Judiciary Committee voted against amendments to a gun background check law. Those amendments would require that ICE be notified when an undocumented immigrant fails a gun background check. Furthermore, in a later vote before the full House, most Democrats voted against a motion to include the same ICE notification provision in the bill.

              Or simply be allowed to own guns that would cause citizens to be in jail...

              Undocumented Immigrants Have Right to Own Guns, Judge Rules

              https://www.newsweek.com/undocumented-immigrants-have-right-own-guns-judge-rules-1880806

              "The Court finds that Carbajal-Flores' criminal record, containing no improper use of a weapon, as well as the non-violent circumstances of his arrest do not support a finding that he poses a risk to public safety such that he cannot be trusted to use a weapon responsibly and should be deprived of his Second Amendment right to bear arms in self-defense," Coleman, who was appointed under President Barack Obama, wrote in her eight-page ruling filed March 8.

              Carbajal-Flores was charged under Title 18 of U.S. Criminal Code, which legally disallows undocumented individuals to possess firearms and ammunition "or to receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce."

  18. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

    We've just scientifically explained Jeff and Sarc.

    Physical fitness is now far-right

    Healthy eating is now far-right

    Epic poetry is now far-right

    Reproducing is now far-right

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

      That explains a lot.

    2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

      Thankfully for sarc drugs and having cps called on you seem to be on the left still.

      For jeff pedophilia is on the left.

    3. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

      I maintained an ongoing list of "Today's List of Things That Are Racist". Had similar entries (will omit the many links so the post doesn't get flagged as spam)

      ----
      Objectivity, paternalism, individualism, and perfectionism...among several other traits.

      Nicki Neily on X: "NEW from @DefendingEd: The San Francisco Unified School District provides training to staff that labels “perfectionism” and “individualism” as characteristics of “white supremacy culture.”

      Also "Those with strong documentation or writing skills are more highly valued" is "white supremacy".
      ----
      "It's ethnic erasure to demand you not commit crime."
      ----
      “Gun Shot Detecting” Microphones Labeled Racist, Senators Demand Defunding
      ----
      Four-day weeks could be racist because they discriminate against “frontline” public sector workers, a Welsh government report has said.
      ----
      Going to the theater is apparently so racist that special blacks-only seatings are required.

      Headline: London play will have 'all-Black' audience nights to allow experience 'free from the White gaze'
      ----
      "Cannibalism isn't ethically too bad, and the reason that we're against it is because... racism.
      ----
      Architecture and interior design are racist. We must decolonize our homes...

      Headline: Interior Race Theory Is a Creative Way to Decolonize Our Homes
      ----
      Generative AI sets a new inequality trap for Black Americans
      ----
      Pumpkin spice is racist.

      Violent history of pumpkin spice, which came from Dutch colonialism - The Washington Post
      ----
      Princeton Sophomore Says College Honor Code Prohibiting Cheating Is Racist
      ----
      Word limits on a college application essay are racist.

      The article in the Harvard University newspaper explains that this new format is, in fact, racist and discriminatory as it does not allow students of “non-traditional backgrounds” to explain themselves and their situations.

      According to the article’s author, “Shortening the essays has a disparate impact that falls heaviest on those from marginalized backgrounds. Learning to package yourself within a shorter amount of space is a product of advanced education; longer essays more equitably allow applicants to discuss their experiences in full, particularly if they are from non-traditional backgrounds and require more space to elaborate on nuanced qualifications.”
      ----
      Gov. Gavin Newsom (D-CA) has signed into law California’s “Ebony Alert” system, a new, separate version of the Amber Alert system for missing women and children. According to California Democrats, the Amber Alert system is too racist, and this new Ebony Alert system will prioritize black women and children. It is a different system from the Amber Alert system, but it functions in the same way.

      If you like, you could even say that it is “separate but equal.”
      ----
      Woke individuals angry at White police officer saving a Black baby’s life, they feel its “copaganda”

      And a LOT more...bicycles, owning a car, favoring people not previously evicted when considering new tenants, working out, Ring cameras, childhood obesity, BMI, Candian wildfire smoke, voting for a black man to be your state's governor, trees, sperm donation, taxes, Western science, Revolutionary War reenactors, Catholics who prefer the old Latin mass, white house paint,

  19. mad.casual   2 months ago

    "it leads very quickly to some very dark futures. Assigning each person a homeland based on their ethnic ancestry, and then declaring that that homeland is the only place they or their descendants can ever truly belong, would not be an act of justice; it would be a global nightmare made real, surpassing even the horrors of previous centuries."

    *Some* previous centuries. Otherwise, it's a pretty overt throwback to days of Indo-European (and other continents) tribalism where you, inasmuch as there were morals, had a moral imperative to kill outsiders who wandered into your (tribe's) territory and take their stuff... for the good of the tribe.

  20. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    Khalil is being deported because he violated the contractual terms of his application to remain in the US; his exercise of his 1st Amendment rights simply advertised his violations.

    If an unsuspected bank robber goes on TV and advertises his whereabouts and publicly states his guilt, his arrest is not noteworthy nor a violation of his 1st Amendment rights.

    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 months ago

      The right is to free expression, not to protection from the consequences of having freely expressed yourself.

  21. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    Chicken nuggets, Muslim alcoholics, ISIS terrorists, "human right to a family life"...

    Leftist judges accept sob stories and twist the laws with no accountability...sounds familiar.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/05/04/why-britains-asylum-system-is-broken/

    ...the Labour government has this week tried to tighten up the asylum-application process. It has announced that anyone who has committed a sexual offence will be prevented from seeking refugee status. [Edit: Some folks here just started crying...] It will no doubt strike most people as crazy that sex crimes were not automatically disqualifying in the first place.

    The rules as to who gets to stay here have effectively been delegated to the judiciary. And whatever else they are, judges are not democratically accountable and often make decisions that sound bizarre to members of the public. If we want a safe and humane asylum system then the starting point must be to re-establish a fundamental element of the process which has been lost – namely, democratic accountability.

    Ordinary Brits have an entirely reasonable approach to this issue. They don’t think people who have committed serious crimes should be able to stay here. But they also don’t want deportation orders handed out arbitrarily. They don’t express blind hatred towards foreigners, but they do expect those who seek to live here to respect the UK’s criminal laws.

    But while decisions to deport people who have committed serious crimes shouldn’t be taken lightly, we should still expect foreign nationals to obey the law. Failing to do so can and should carry significant consequences for the ability to remain here. This is not evil or uncaring. This robust approach to foreign criminals allows us to be more humane to those genuinely seeking refuge and asylum here.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

      Case in point...

      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/05/06/biden-appointed-judge-requires-trump-to-resettle-12k-refugees-in-american-communities/

      A district court judge, appointed by former President Joe Biden, is requiring President Donald Trump to bring roughly 12,000 refugees to the United States in a new court order issued this week.

      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

        This ruling is appalling. It isn't even just letting them in but also providing resettlement resources.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

          I think “appalling” is puting it mildly. It’s disgustingly offensive.

      2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 months ago

        Trumps War on the Courts is appalling. Why won’t he just do everything they tell him to like a good little underling?

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 months ago

      Ordinary Brits have an entirely reasonable approach to this issue. They don’t think people who have committed serious crimes should be able to stay here.

      The "reasonable approach" would have been to start assassinating every public official, academic, political activist, and media member who allowed it to happen, either through malice, political correctness, or sheer incompetence.

      The UK needs a new "Troubles" era, except it can center around the harms done by Soros-inspired "open societies" rather than Irish separatism.

  22. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    Gangs of "Asian" men raping children is a "dogwhistle"?

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/05/06/lucy-powells-rape-gangs-comment-was-a-mask-off-moment-for-labour/

    It has been more than 20 years since Labour MP Ann Cryer was branded a racist for drawing attention to the industrial-scale abuse of girls in her Keighley constituency. It has been more than 10 years since Alexis Jay’s report highlighted how fears of a racist backlash from the white working classes paralysed authorities in Rotherham from taking action to protect vulnerable girls. The inquiry into Telford’s rape gangs noted that ‘a concern about racism, and being seen to be racist, permeated the minds of [local] police’. The view that it is somehow racist, or far right, to want to put a stop to these sickening crimes is precisely what allowed the abuse to go unchecked for so long. Yet it clearly remains the view of the Labour Party, from the prime minister downwards.

    Lucy Powell’s comments confirm that Labour has learnt nothing at all from the rape-gangs scandal. It still views discussion about these crimes as unsavoury, uncouth and unwarranted – as something to be avoided and swept under the carpet. Powell’s real regret is that she said the quiet part out loud.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

      Britain is cooked.

      1. tracerv   2 months ago

        Yep. The whole UK. Ireland and Scotland are even worse at this point.

    2. Mickey Rat   2 months ago

      This, a few weeks after the Labour led Parliament entertained a moral panic over a completely fictional murder of a girl by an ethnically British, teenage boy from an intact working class family from a Netflix drama. This coincidentally justified the social media censorship legislation the Labour government is pushing. The Tory leader was publicly castigated for not watching the Netflix series during the moral panic.

  23. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    Tariffs!

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/finance/bessent-says-us-negotiating-17-major-trade-partners-not-china

    Bessent says US is negotiating with 17 out of 18 major trade partners

    Hours after his testimony, officials indicated that formal trade negotiations with China could take place as early as Thursday, when the secretary travels to Switzerland.

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/foreign-trade/india-offers-zero-for-zero-tariffs-on-auto-parts-steel-from-us/articleshow/120904237.cms

    India has proposed zero tariffs on steel, auto components and pharmaceuticals on a reciprocal basis up to a certain quantity of imports in its trade negotiations with the US, people familiar with the matter said.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

      So hold it a minute, using threats of tariffs to get other countries to lower or remove their tariffs actually works? Stunning. It might just be something called “negotiation” whereby two parties start at opposing ends and meet somewhere in the middle.

      1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

        That remains to be seen. Nothing worked yet. This is at least week 3 where we were told we could see a deal as early as this week with no details about who the deal is with or what the deal will be.

        1. DesigNate   2 months ago

          I remain optimistic.

        2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          You poor shit.

          1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

            That's the nicest thing you ever said to me.

  24. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

    For years now we've heard the left claim there is no data showing men taking over women's sports. So a database was created.

    https://hecheated.org/

    Of course the left is now freaking out over the database.

    1. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

      that database is a pretty huge kick in the (dick?) to the "its not happening!" crew.

      Time to move on to "its a good thing" I guess

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 months ago

        that database is a pretty huge kick in the (dick?) stinkditch to the "its not happening!" crew.

        More accurate.

        1. Randy Sax   2 months ago

          As far as I know the festering open wound surgery is not actually verry popular.

    2. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

      Chemjeff must be livid.

    3. BYODB   2 months ago

      Oh, I'm sure they are just absolutely livid that someone is daring to put numbers to this.

    4. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

      Just, wow.

      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

        It's like the fake race hoax database. The left hates exposing their tools and narratives.

        1. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

          They stuck with the "CRT just isnt happening in schools" for so long, until Rufo and other compiled tons of incidents of either praxis or straight up CRT being taught to kids.

          Jeff was carrying water for that line HEAVY way back when

          1. DesigNate   2 months ago

            He still does.

    5. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wyNrgVTvaSY

      A shot in the they/thems

    6. DesigNate   2 months ago

      The website name made me laugh.

  25. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

    I've been assured this never happens and mail in ballots are secure.

    https://www.cpr.org/2025/05/05/former-postal-worker-admits-stealing-ballots/

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 months ago

      I'll be fair here and say that they mainly got caught because Colorado has a ballot tracking database that informed the actual voters that their ballot had been submitted.

      This was mainly garden-variety middle-aged female federal worker stupidity.

      1. Randy Sax   2 months ago

        I don't know if 64 can be called "middle-aged".

    2. Yuno Hoo   2 months ago

      According to the arrest affidavit, Stuart and another woman stole more than a dozen ballots from Mesa County residents before they could be delivered to the intended voters. The goal, prosecutors said, was to test the state’s voting safeguards.

      Emphasis added. "We were actually doing the voters a favor!"

  26. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

    New report out on the Scalise shooting. FBI did their best to remove all of the political motivations that were transparent.

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/06/us-news/fbi-butchered-2017-congressional-baseball-shooting-probe-downplayed-anti-gop-motives-of-gunman-blistering-report-concludes/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_source=twitter

    1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

      Speaking of the FBI:

      https://justthenews.com/accountability/political-ethics/declassified-biden-admin-domestic-terror-memo-authorized-agencies

      The Biden administration authorized federal law enforcement four years ago to target Americans engaged in "concerning non-criminal behavior" in the name of fighting domestic terrorism, with a specific eye on those serving in the military, owning firearms, or spreading what officials considered to be "xenophobic" disinformation, according to newly declassified documents.

      The stunning breadth of the mandate was disclosed when Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard recently released a fully unredacted version of the prior administration’s "Strategic Implementation Plan for Countering Domestic Terrorism."

      The June 2021 memo exposed for the first time the law enforcement and intelligence framework that led the FBI to monitor and probe conservative Catholics and parents who protested against some school board policies and justified Homeland Security to engage in censorship or debanking of Americans the administration considered to be potential enemies of the state.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

        Must be too local for Reason.

  27. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

    Poor Boehm, sarc, stg...

    According to Bessent, there could be a 'substantial reduction' in tariffs on US goods, as the United States negotiates with 17 out of 18 key trade partners.

    He then suggested that the 1st quarter GDP will be revised upward, and that we aren't in a recession.

    "Reprivatizing the economy. On one side, we're going to be bringing down government spending, which has been crowding out the private sector. We're also going to be shedding excess labor on the government side. Then on the other side, we have a substantial financial deregulatory agenda coming."

    "The private sector can re-leverage, and we're putting a special focus on community banks, small banks, small regional banks, which were very near what I would call an extinction event in the next 4-5 years. The idea is to get them lending again too."

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/bessent-trade-deals-coming-soon-week-teases-substantial-reduction-tariffs

    1. BYODB   2 months ago

      Trump makes it easy to paint him as a dumbass given his antics, but at the end of the day this was a pretty obvious strategy. Amusingly his antics are exactly what made his threats effective. It wouldn't have worked for a 'normal' politician that makes their money off graft and insider trading.

      I suspect we should get used to the phrase 'revised upward' during his Presidency given that their predictions were always wishcasting and worse-than-worst-case scenarios.

      It's more or less the reverse of what their strategy was under Biden, which was lie to make him seem competent and level headed and that everything was just oh so rosy in outlooks.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 months ago

        Trump makes it easy to paint him as a dumbass given his antics, but at the end of the day this was a pretty obvious strategy. Amusingly his antics are exactly what made his threats effective.

        The stupid part is that anyone who's watched him in action over the last 40-plus years would understand this is exactly how he's always done business, and how a lot of negotiations are done in the private sector--come in with a massively overblown offer, then whittle it down to something more reasonable for everyone.

        Fuck, the Democrats themselves have done politics this way for decades--demand the whole cake, then convince the GOP they're getting a great deal by only giving the Dems half of what they want, because they know they can get the other half down the line. That's how the center-right was convinced that the immigration bill was a "bipartisan compromise," despite the fact that it put allowed entries at 4 times what Obama himself called a crisis level, and that Biden could ignore it anytime he wanted.

      2. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

        Amusingly his antics are exactly what made his threats effective.

        I see a lot of chicken counting, but no hatching.

        Speaking of wishcasting:

        Trump downplays tariff talks: ‘We don’t have to sign deals’

        Trump said [April 30th] during a NewsNation town hall that his administration has “potential deals” with India, South Korea and Japan...On April 29 he said negotiations with India were “coming along great” and the U.S. will “likely have a deal with India.”...On Tuesday, however, Trump blamed top aides such as Bessent and Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick for overpromising trade deals.“I think my people haven’t made it clear, we will sign some deals,” said Trump. “But much bigger than that is we’re going to put down the price that people are going to have to pay to shop in the United States. Think of us as a super luxury store, a store that has the goods.”

  28. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

    Hilarious. Buttigieg complains it is too expensive to make things in the US because of the regulations democrats passed.

    https://x.com/KyleMartinsen_/status/1919933693633720659

    1. mad.casual   2 months ago

      Still not as hilarious as him, on a mixed race podcast, to a mixed-race audience, backhandedly asserting that he bought his two mixed-race kids at a discount.

      So, uh, Pete... [sips coffee]... is this the part where you tell us all that you're so virtuous that you chose to pay extra for the black kids you adopted?

  29. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

    "The judge found that Khalil is entitled to review of his petition in federal court. But arguably more crucially, the judge observed that Khalil raised a plausible claim he is being detained and deported in unlawful retaliation for exercising his First Amendment rights that warrant further examination, and has said additional orders will follow shortly."

    How many tries did it take to find THAT judge?

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 months ago

      The judge shoppers hit the jackpot.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

        Unfortunately, it’s easy when the Democrats stacked the deck and deal from the bottom.

        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

          There are a lot of questions on court procedures at this point. For example how Boasberg keeps getting all the cases. Or judge merchan in NYC.

          There is even a judge in Texas who had to rebuke, should have arrested, the ACLU lawyers for leaving ex parte communications on his voicemail and with court staff.

          The entire judicial shopping is coordinated by the activists, honed under the sue and settle pathways devised under Obama.

          1. damikesc   2 months ago

            Trump should do the same. Find a sympathetic judge and do that same sue and settle BS.

          2. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

            https://townhall.com/tipsheet/rebeccadowns/2025/05/05/jim-jordan-letter-on-judge-boasberg-n2656554

            Judge Boasberg Keeps Getting Assigned Trump Cases. Lawmakers Want to Know Why.

            The letter also offers why the congressmen are looking to hear from the clerk herself. "While the District Court’s allocation process is intended to produce an 'equal distribution of cases to all judges,' in practice the distribution of cases can be unequal. The Committee cannot independently verify the randomness of case assignments because the composition of assignment decks is kept secret.

            The congressmen request of Caesar the following information from the cases of: Project on Government Oversight v. Trump from February 21, 2025; J. G.G. v. Trump from March 15, 2025; Erie County. v. Corporation for National and Community Service from March 17, 2025; and American Oversight v. Hegseth from March 25, 2025:

            1. Describe the process by which the presiding judge was assigned to the case, including the date of assignment and the method used.

            2. Describe any deviations in the process for assigning this case compared to the standard assignment process.

            3. State the number of “cards” each judge had already drawn from the relevant assignment deck when the case was assigned.

            4. State the number of “cards” each judge had remaining in the relevant assignment deck when the case was assigned.

            5. Provide the number of judges who were eligible for assignment to the case when it was assigned.

    2. damikesc   2 months ago

      Trump should feel free to ignore this Biden judge.

  30. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

    "Local scientists step up to defend their life’s work against Trump’s cuts"
    [...]
    "Neurosciencist Marla Feller, a professor at UC Berkeley, had never organized a protest before. But because the Trump administration’s cuts to federal scientific funding pose an existential risk to her life’s work, she and a group of fellow scientists spent the past few weeks planning a rally that will take place Friday at Civic Center.
    It is one of several simultaneous scientist-led protests that are set to sweep major U.S. cities in response to funding cuts to the National Institutes of Health and National Science Foundation..."
    https://sfstandard.com/2025/03/07/berkeley-ucsf-scientists-protest-trump-funding-cuts/

    Perhaps she might convince someone that her research might, well, be worth funding rather than rely on our 'generosity'.

    1. damikesc   2 months ago

      She should.

      But it does not.

      And she is aware of that.

    2. mad.casual   2 months ago

      Local scientists step up to defend their life’s work against Trump’s cuts

      Scientists Across The Country Put On Shittiest Farewell Tour Ever

      If they're planning to sweep major US cities, I hope they brought their own brooms.

  31. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    wrong place

    1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 months ago

      Right time

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

        Just need a little brain salad surgery
        I got to que my insecurity

  32. InsaneTrollLogic (Did the penguin tell you to do this?)   2 months ago

    The NGO rot is deep.

    https://x.com/datarepublican/status/1919895711094866213?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

    Many have asked me to do a deep dive on @SenThomTillis , but before I do that, I think it is important to contextualize why the events of January 6, 2021 were such an existential threat to NED, Open Society Foundation, and like-minded organizations.

    I always thought that J6 was mostly a Trump overreaction on the part of media and the J6 Committee. I was wrong.

    The NED journals reveal the ideological underpinnings of why Open Society believers found J6 an alarming, existential threat to themselves.

    We will be hitting on Larry Diamond's article published on January 2022 edition of the NED Journal of Democracy. If you don't know who Diamond is, he is one of the foremost "democracy" academics - his name appears all over the NED journals.

    Notably, Diamond and Soros both have co-coached regional committees for NED conferences. His ideology is deeply aligned with Soros' Open Society model, like the rest of NED.

    In the article, Diamond makes a very serious claim: "As the two master norms of mutual tolerance and political forbearance have begun disintegrating, democracy in the United States has begun to deconsolidate and is at serious risk of breaking down in the next presidential election."

    In other words, Diamond is saying that if people and politicians stop playing fair and stop accepting losses, the whole system could collapse by the 2024 election. And that's what happened on J6 (in his view).

    The simplest way to explain why J6 was so alarming is that - it proved elites are no longer in control. It proved that the public no longer blindly trusts the system. To Diamond, J6 meant that democracy crossed the point of no return and new, harsh measures have to be taken to remedy that.

    On the surface, the following quote sounds like a plea to get along- but the phrase "democratic norms" is a weasel word for Open Society norms. In other words, J6 was a flashing red light that institutions irrevocably lost their monopoly on the narrative.

    "Each side comes to view the other as an existential threat, straining and then rupturing respect for democratic norms and rules."

    To the elites, J6 wasn't even really about the insurrection itself. They don't care about that.

    Rather, the fact it happened at all represented a triumph of the populist narrative and a permanent fracture in institutional control.

    Therefore, J6 had to be met with the harshest possible response: to reclaim their monopoly on the media narrative and stop the public from losing faith in elite authority.

    This spawned a barrage of articles on how to crush such opposition. Rachel Kleinfeld in October 2001 advocated fast-tracked legal punishment.

    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

      And the EU is realizing slowly their own institutional control by globalists is at risk. Romania, Poland, Italy.

      Canada is now reliant on boomers to retain this control.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

      To the elites, J6 wasn't even really about the insurrection itself. They don't care about that. Rather, the fact it happened at all represented a triumph of the populist narrative and a permanent fracture in institutional control. Therefore, J6 had to be met with the harshest possible response: to reclaim their monopoly on the media narrative and stop the public from losing faith in elite authority.

      This articulates my thinking on this exactly, except for "losing faith in elite authority" which I would replace with "escaping the thumb of elite authority."

  33. BioBehavioral_View   2 months ago

    Creeping & Crawling

    “The unleashed power of the atom has changed everything save our modes of thinking, and we thus drift toward unparalleled catastrophe.” -Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

    The world had been creeping and crawling towards nuclear catastrophe. No longer. It now it is running.

    Henry Kissinger opined that the most dangerous site for risk to mankind is the border between India and Pakistan.

    Throughout the "Cold War" (otherwise known as the "Long Peace"), the chances of nuclear war between the Soviet Union and these United States were between slim and none. Rational people were in charge. They understood the catastrophic consequences of nuclear war.

    Not so with religious fanatics, and Mohammedans are religious fanatics. Their religion stands on a foundation of war. As noted in the so-called news today, most Britons are unwilling to fight for their country; Mohammedans are willing to die for their religion.

    https://www.nationonfire.com/islam-war/ .

    Could nuclear war between the Hindus of India and the Mohammedans of Pakistan become world War III? It could if China intervenes in behalf of Pakistan, which is unlikely.

    All-out nuclear war? If so, when the radioactive dust settles and the global firestorms extinguish themselves, no oxygen will remain in the atmosphere. All aerobic, terrestrial life will die. Fermi's Paradox come true.**

    **See the novel, Retribution Fever.

    1. Randy Sax   2 months ago

      no oxygen will remain in the atmosphere. All aerobic, terrestrial life will die.

      Really? I was hoping to play blackjack at the Gomorrah with Big Iron playing on my Pip-Boy.

  34. MWAocdoc   2 months ago

    India and Pakistan are a recent example of why nuclear nonproliferation is bullshit as a policy and mutually assured destruction has been proven repeatedly over decades. Also, a perfect example of why one nation should never give up its nuclear weapons is Ukraine. Do we think that Russia would have invaded Ukraine if they had shied away from western promises in exchange for nuclear disarmament? So we can add Ukraine to the long list of European nations betrayed by the United States.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 months ago

      On the other hand, it was a good thing that the South African government decommissioned theirs when apartheid ended. Can you imagine the retards running that country now with their finger on the button?

  35. damikesc   2 months ago

    Hmm, per ABCNews, "Maryland Man"'s "boss" (that is how he referred to him) said he hired "Maryland dad" to transport illegals across the USA.

    Or, in other words...trafficking.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      But in a good way, right?

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