What Happens When Presidents Defy Court Orders?
“The Executive will lose much from a public perception of its lawlessness and all of its attendant contagions.”

Alexander Hamilton described the judiciary as "the least dangerous branch" of the federal government because it holds neither "the purse" nor "the sword." Rather, the federal courts have "merely judgment." In fact, the judiciary "must ultimately depend upon the aid of the executive arm even for the efficacy of its judgments."
But what happens to our constitutional order if the executive loses in court and then refuses to give efficacy to the judgment? What happens when presidents defy court orders?
This is no mere academic query. Over the past week, President Donald Trump has inched ever closer to openly defying an order of the U.S. Supreme Court.
On April 10, the Supreme Court ruled that a federal district court order "properly require[d]" the Trump administration "to facilitate" the "release from custody in El Salvador" of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, a man whom the Trump administration admits that it unlawfully deported to a Salvadoran prison because of an "administrative error." The Supreme Court further ordered the administration "to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador," and to "be prepared to share what it can concerning the steps it has taken and the prospect of further steps."
To put it mildly, the Trump administration has not faithfully followed this judicial order. Rather, Trump officials have egregiously misrepresented what the order actually said while taking zero steps to facilitate Abrego Garcia's return to the U.S.
And things may soon get worse. So let's assume the worst. Assume that the Trump administration just flat out disobeys a direct Supreme Court order. What then?
There are certain punitive measures available to the Court in such circumstances, such as sanctioning individual members of the administration over their specific complicity. The Court may also impose new injunctions aimed at specific individuals, departments, or agencies to stop them from participating in the lawlessness.
But at some point it all comes back to Hamilton. The judicial branch "may truly be said to have neither FORCE nor WILL," he wrote, "but merely judgment."
Think about it like this. In Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, Kansas (1954), the Supreme Court declared racial segregation in public education to be "inherently unequal" and therefore unconstitutional under the Equal Protection Clause. It is among the most famous decisions in American legal history.
Brown is justly revered today. Yet it was highly controversial in certain quarters at the time. There were cries of "judicial tyranny" in response to the decision, as well as calls for the impeachment of Chief Justice Earl Warren.
And some elected officials took their objections past the point of legality by openly defying the Court's decision. Perhaps the most well-known example of that is provided by Alabama Gov. George Wallace, who used the power of the state to, in his words, "resist any illegal court order, even to the point of standing at the schoolhouse door in person, if necessary." As the chief executive of a state, Wallace had numerous government forces at his disposal, and he unleashed them in a concerted effort to violate Brown and keep segregation in place.
Brown was a landmark opinion, but it was not enough, by itself, to stop a figure like Wallace from doing great damage for a time. The Court's unanimous decision had "merely judgment," as Hamilton would say, while Wallace had "the sword" of executive power. But the Court's judgment also had its own kind of power, the kind of power that persuades and convinces, the kind of power that compels people to take political action so that a mere judgment has its efficacy in the end. Today, Brown stands as the law of the land. And Wallace, to the extent he is remembered at all, is remembered as a disgrace.
So, like Wallace, Trump may spurn court orders and find success for a time. But at the same time, there is a price to be paid.
"The Executive will lose much from a public perception of its lawlessness and all of its attendant contagions." Those words appeared yesterday in a remarkable decision by Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit. It is a decision that every American ought to read, for it spells out exactly what is happening in the Abrego Garcia case, and exactly why the Trump administration deserves to lose it.
"The Government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order," Wilkinson observed. "Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done." Such actions "should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear."
Like all presidents, Trump is entitled to whine when he loses in court. But the American people will not, I think, look kindly on a loser who tried to wreck the constitutional order in a vain attempt to undo his well-deserved legal defeat.
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"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" - Donald Trump
It must be burning a new hole in your ulcer to know he won again.
This is giving me a new insight into the mind of a Trump voter. I too would now be perfectly content to see 20% of the population shipped off to a foreign prison camp.
But I will settle for watching them die of black lung.
Thanks maddow watcher.
Keep it up Trump you arrogant loudmouth. Nobody could / would demonstrate the corruption of all branches of government, media, private lobbyists with deep pockets and stooges with their hands in them like you are.
Your open advocacy for genocidal Jews and their international war criminal leader will be just another stench that is your “legacy”.
A short painful one for all Americans as you help make the world great again by excluding America.
Hey Bubba, you got the nazi on your side lol.
Funny how that works.
Ridiculous, considering the fact that Trump is openly supporting the current holocaust in Gaza that Israel is on trial for committing.
Amusing for two reasons.
1) For using the word "holocaust" when the word was used for the killing of millions of Jews (for the pedantic among you; yes, the term came from the Greek, but the phrase "the holocaust" is applied specifically to the mass Murder of Jews by the Germans in WWII [britannica.com/event/Holocaust]).
2) Unlike other things buried in history and/or not covered well enough anyone with a working brain will remember what caused this current round of war; direct retaliation for the bombing of a building full of innocent Jewish civilians. Whatever word games one side tried to play, there's nothing that preceded that which justifies the brutal murder of almost 1200 people in a sneak attack bombing. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_war](closest thing I could find to unbiased news).
Not surprising at all that the advocate of Jewish genocide of Palestinians in Gaza finds the appropriate use of the term holocaust in Gaza “amusing”
Do you find holocausts “amusing” fuckwit?
The life of a Jew is not worth a speck more than the life of a Palestinian.
Not even when Jews invent a new word for the genocide they commit to make their lives appear more valuable.
Netanyahu is responsible for telling the IDF to commit genocide by referencing the Jewish biblical “god approved” genocide of women and children with the story of AMALEK. Clearly inciting genocide. With IDF soldiers on record rejoicing about killing tens of thousands of women and children referencing Amalek, the effect of Netanyahus instructions are clear.
Israeli defence minister Yoav Gallant said Israel was fighting “human animals” and that they will be “starved of food and water” which Israel has done and continues to do.
Amichay Eliyahu, the minister for heritage, suggested dropping a nuclear bomb on Gaza. Israel isn’t supposed to have nuclear weapons. Saddam Hussein was hung for crimes against humanity and he didn’t even have WMD much less threaten to use them.
The country’s mainly ceremonial president, Isaac Herzog, who described Palestinians as “an entire nation out there that is responsible” demonstrates the genocidal intention.
These statements in combination with their actual execution clearly meets the UN definition and criteria for genocide aka holocaust.
ALL nations signatory to the UN genocide convention HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO OPPOSE IT. Not deny it and send bombs money and troops to support it.
You seem nice.
You must be fun at parties.
Your comment does not add one bit of new information regarding TDS-addled steaming piles of shit like yourself.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
You’re a perfect example of why you’re kind belong in a landfill.
This country belongs to Americans. Not a bunch of fucking Democrat scum.
This is the same entity that gave us Wickard or, worse, Dred Scott. I don't bring these up as an excuse for Trump. I don't know if you can say the administration is or isn't doing what it can to facilitate the man's return. I haven't really seen much on what adequate facilitation attempts look like. But there are other times when history finds the Supreme Court probably should be defied.
ffs. It's pretty obvious they are doing absolutely nothing to facilitate his return, because they don't want him returned.
If Trump wanted him returned, he'd have simply asked for him back, as a condition of actually paying the money on the prison contract.
"Facilitate his return" is not part of the order.
Part of the issue is that people don't actually read...
That is the question. Would just sending a diplomatic message asking for Abrego Garcia be returned be enough to comply with facilitate?
Is the court requiring the Executive to threaten El Salvador if he is not returned? Does it require military action if El Salvador refuses?
Also pretty obvious Bukele said no multiple times retard.
You're also ignoring what facilitate means.
You're also ignoring the SCOTUS told the judge to respect article 2.
You're not very smart are you. Standard maddow watching leftist.
ffs, he's in prison in a sovereign state over which we have no control. Go fuck yourself.
"ffs. It's pretty obvious they are doing absolutely nothing to facilitate his return, because they don't want him returned."
Curse of courts demanding somebody do something they do not wish to do.
They can theoretically make him do something. They absolutely cannot make him do it WELL.
Plus... due process of law must be followed. That, i assume, doesn't include extorting compliance from a sovereign state. I would think it would go as far as making a formal request... sort of like
"Well, one of our departments accidentally removed this dirt bag to your country mistakenly because we had to abide by a bogus stipulation that he couldn't be sent back to your country specifically due to his admitting that rival gangs would try to kill him. (Notice how this is implicit recognition of the fact that he was a gang member...?) Can you please send him back to us so that we can expedite his expulsion to a different country?"
Once we get a "sorry, no." then that's it i would say.
If the State Department hasn't done that already then, yes, I agree. That's a bare minimum. Also, talking to the country's president in the Oval Office might should count.
On the other hand, if the only reason El Salvador has him in their prison is because of an agreement with the United States and our gang designation, then you would think it wouldn't take much to get him out on our request. If El Salvador has him in prison for a reason other than that agreement, then I can imagine releasing him would be about as easy as getting our courts to release someone one of our judges had sentenced to prison (which is not very).
No doubt they don't want him back, but didn't they have Bukele in the Oval Office telling everyone he didn't have the power to return him? I don't know, has the court laid out the steps it would like to see as compliance? Due diligence has always seemed a murky thing.
Also, I guess my real point was kind of lost there. We write these articles about what would or should happen if the executive defies the judicial, articles which I enjoy reading. I think they would be more interesting with a neutral eye on the court's rulings, as those are not always deserving the reverence they automatically receive, especially when they go against Trump.
The judiciary not only has neither the sword nor the purse - it also abandoned "judgement" long ago. One of the reasons the Trump Administration may not lose as much as the judge seems to think it will is that the judiciary itself has lost much over the last century and more through a combination of legislating from the bench and performing impressive feats of logical torture in hundred-page rulings that obfuscate rather than enlightening The People about Constitutional limitations on Federal power in order to justify repeated violations. Add to that the remarkable level of judicial cowardice and refusal to defend the original intent of the Constitution and you have a judiciary without any credibility and a Constitution with no residual effect.
Yes to that. For better or worse the constitution doesn't give the Courts any enforcement powers which leads me to surmise that it's role was to be limited to resolving disputes between private actors. The court gave itself the power to determine constitutional questions and the other branches have found it politically convenient to allow that to continue. The courts spend thousands of hour dissecting legislative intent when the legislature is literally right down the street. The executive enforced Brown because it was politically popular. The executive and legislative branches did nothing about Roe because it was to their political advantage to blame the court no matter which side they claimed to be on. The conventional wisdom has become that somehow people wearing judge costumes, appointed for life, who will never pay a personal price for their conduct and will never stand for election can magically create the rule of law. It's pretty obvious that Trump is going to force the Court to face it's accumulation of illegitimate power. When we have district court judges threatening to hold the president in contempt we already have a constitutional crisis. If Roberts wants to continue the illusion of the Court's legitimacy he's going to have to play his cards judiciously but ultimately face the fact that he doesn't hold the winning hand.
That's literally the definition of "Constitutional crisis." When it comes to the show-down the only thing that will matter is whether the rest of the executive branch supports the President physically or supports the Constitution physically.
You're right. The court does not have either the sword or the purse. The Framers were wearing rose colored glasses when they simply assumed that whoever would be elected President would honor the oath he took to the Constitution. No one ever expected a President to undermine the rule of law. Of course the Framers didn't have TV. They assumed an intelligent, self-reflective electorate. At the time the Constitution was written the obvious danger of an autocrat leading the country seemed impossible. We had just fought a war to rid ourselves of the same. The framers could not have imagined such a lazy, entitled and greedy electorate would put a mad king in the White House. You can't account for everything.
At stake here is one primary issue: the role of law in our society. The only issue is one of due process. It has always been assumed that someone accused of a crime would have an opportunity to make his case in court. Why would the Trump administration decide that due process is not a given anymore? More importantly, why the fuck would the same people who feel the second amendment was put in place for citizens to fight against a tyrannical government decide that a President should be able to unilaterally do away with legal protections? This is exactly the kind of threat they have argued for (nevermind it is a preposterous rationale- the second amendment was to ensure there would be a "well-regulated militia" to protect the country because there was no army at that time). The absolute lack of self awareness is just staggering. This isn't an "Orange man bad" issue. This is a "we need to respect the rule of law" issue. If he is brought back and the court finds that Garcia meets the requirements for deportation he'd get thrown out. This is not about protecting a person or taking away a President's authority to conduct international relations. It is about the rule of law. Plain and simple. Team players who are willing to throw the Constitution under the bus will find themselves splattered in the same wheelwell as the Constitution once Trump has decided without consent to shred the rule of law. Standing against the rule of law is about the most unpatriotic thing I can think of.
Trump Derangement Syndrome is indeed a real affliction. It just means the exact opposite of what the cultists believe. For fuck's sake, MAGAts. Open your eyes, you fucking imbeciles. Jesus.
Our eyes are open. Feel like you were traders. Get out, or suffer the consequences.
This is, quite simply, false. Even Benjamin Franklin made it clear that he was skeptical of the ability of Americans to keep their liberty and maintain the republic they were given. The "Debate on the Constitution" is full - from cover to cover - of attempts to subvert all of the predicted ways that The People could lose their republic, and almost all of them came true over time. There were no "rose colored glasses" in evidence at the time of the Framing.
Two pieces of advice: (1) either write less or use more paragraphing, and (2) you used a swear word three times. Unfortunately that makes your post NSFW and I must place you on Mute.
Kelo and "penaltax" immediately come to mind.
Go ask Joe Biden.
^This. Any writer complaining about Trump’s behavior in this case would have to be a thousand times angrier about Biden giving the SC the finger with his repeated unconstitutional stabs at buying off voters with college loan "forgiveness". Particularly when they told him it was unconstitutional before he even got the ball rolling, yet he carried it on for years in defiance of their order.
Since the phrase "both sides" causes an immediate erection for the Reason staff, I have to imagine there is some underlying cause for the omission of Biden's "constitutional crisis" from the article.
TDS will do that.
Is Abrego Garcia able and willing to return to teh United States, and the government is refusing to make transportation arrangements.
Last I have heard, he is not able to return to the United States.
I have heard and read that deportees can continue to challenge their deportation even after they have been deported.
I suppose that if the deportees ultimately prevail, the courts can order Executive branch officials to not just admit these deportees back, but to make transportation arrangements for their return to the U.S. as soon as they are able and willing.
Now, suppose some people were deported to Israel on October 5, 2023. The government concedes that the deportations were legally erroneous. The courts order the officials to bring the deportees back to the United States.
And some of these deportees were taken hostage by Hamas on October 7, 2023.
An order to make transportation arrangements for those deportees taken hostage, as soon as they are able and willing, would not be controversial.
But can a court order the Administration to send in SEAL Team Six to rescue these deportee-hostages?
Could they order the Administration to invade Gaza?
Could they order the Administration to negotiate with Hamas, let alone accede to any demand Hamas makes?
The analogy would be much better if the administration paid Hamas to take the Americans hostage.
"if the Americans were not in fact Americans, but citizens of the Palestinian Authority"
FTFY
The Palestinian Authority has never enacted a citizenship law.
Nope. You just failed to see reality. You too committed to your Marxist narratives.
Why?
""Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done." Such actions "should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.""
What would compliance with this order look like, given that there are limits to the US government's ability to compel a foreign power to do a particular action with regards to the foreign power's own citizen that they have custody of?
The US government is paying to have those deportees imprisoned. El Salvador isn't doing it for free. Getting dude back would be as simple as saying "Send him back if you want to get paid." That's it. That fucking simple.
El Salvador is being paid for the venezuelan deportees retard. Due to Maduro not allowing repatriation.
You love being ignorant don't you.
He revels in it. Just like he revels in getting blackout drunk every day.
Ok, so we asked Bukele and he said no. Garcia is a citizen of El Salvador. Bukele wants to imprison him. Now what?
Now, nothing more. Garcia is an El Salvadoran citizen, not a US citizen. He’s also wanted as a member of MS13 in El Salvador. This should be the end of it, but a certain political party, for some reason, seems to want gangs like TdA and MS13 here. That is the question that should be asked: “why do the Democrats want TdA and MS13 members to stay in the US so badly?”
I don't believe Ds actually want gangster illegal immigrants. I think they're just woefully misinformed about who this guy really is and are still desperate to jump on anything that might hurt Trump. This is SSDD and what's really pathetic is how China is kicking our asses while we fail basic media literacy tests and social experiments. Honestly, if we face a real threat, this country is fucked.
Aside: Government finally addressing his 2022 encounter with Tennessee Highway Patrol and alleged human trafficking.
https://www.ice.gov/doclib/news/releases/2025/25_0418_hsi_referral-abrego-garcia.pdf
"I don't believe Ds actually want gangster illegal immigrants. "
Yeah, they do. They might wax retarded about "diversity," but the reality is that they see these people as shock troops in a revolutionary vanguard. It's been this way since Harr-Cellar passed.
In Chicago the pols work with the gangs and not to make society ennobled.
I wonder how many people read this? SMH. You gotta wonder sometimes.
So a TN state trooper, pulling over a van with Garcia and 8 other people, most of whom couldn't speak or write English very well, looked suspicious, actually had a reason to detain/arrest them (expired drivers license), but he lets them go with a warning.
This is the same agency that's been in the news lately because they falsely arrested over 600 people last year on fake DUI charges, which were dismissed *6 to 8 months later* when the blood tox reports came back and showed 0.00 BAC.
You can't make this $h1t up.
Liar. Bukele said "If asked I would say no." That means he wasn't asked. And I'm not saying Trump should say "Mother may I?" I'm saying he should say "You like that money we're giving you? You want more of it? Send dude back."
You know you're beat when all you can offer are semantics.
You think Bukele is ignorant of all this? 555-come-on-now
Bukele would kowtow to anything Trump demands and every MAGA troll here knows that.
charliehall is a lying pile of steaming lefty shit and everyone here knows that.
What Happens When Presidents Defy Court Orders?
Don't know. Hasn't happened any time in recent memory.
To put it mildly, the Trump administration has not faithfully followed this judicial order.
Lie. We all watched him do precisely that on live television.
"Bukele, can we have him back?"
"Nope."
"Well, I tried."
Everything after that line in this article is just blah blah I hate trump blathering.
Let's be clear: Garcia has had his day in court. He is deportable. The only part that wasn't legal was sending him to El Salvador.
That ship has sailed, though. We can't force his return.
Exactly no one said "force". You're moving the goalposts in bad faith. The word used by the court was "facilitate", which could easily be done. It all starts with asking, which Trump has not done. How do we know this? The president of El Salvador, when questioned on the subject, said "If I was asked..." meaning he has not even been asked.
Trump, like his defenders, is operating in bad faith. People with moral standards find that to be disgusting, while his defenders take great joy in it.
Did you object to Obama's bad faith for the Dreamers' exemption from prosecution?
Whatabout whatabout? Whatabout. Whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout. Whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout? What a bout.
Yes, and no. Just goes to show that you people have no principles,
We’re supposed to ignore every illegal thing with Democrats have ever done, no matter how severe. If a republican even slightly bends the rules to undo Democrat villainy, he’s a monster.
This is basically what Sark says, and every single one of his posts.
Man, you go out of your way to demand return of an *takes deep breath* illegal, El Salvadorian citizen, gangster, wifebeater, human trafficker, deport order violator, and documented shitty driver.
Thanks for pointing out the fact that I have principles and you proudly have none.
Sarc, if you didn’t have double standards, you’d lack any standards whatsoever.
Yes! The only judicial recourse now is for some prosecutor to investigate, find out who ordered Garcia's kidnapping, and proceed to trial, and only then do the courts come into play.
And if Trump tells his prosecutors to not investigate or prosecute, that is no different from Obama telling his prosecutors to not deport millions of illegal immigrants because they had young children.
The courts approved Obama's prosecutorial discretion. They'd be class A TDS hypocrites to not approve Trump's prosecutorial discretion.
Seems fair (well not to Garcia and his family), especially since the punishment was be calculated based on the effort to return him.
The issue is, the guy that's responsible has some brand new immunity. So, impeach. I'm ready to see how Vance will do.
Think of him as a Savadoran Elian Gonzales, we're reuniting him with his mamacita and her fabulosos pupusas, every other Saturday.
Fuck off you dishonest leftist twat. The US has no rights to an ES man illegally in the US despite all the hypocritical pro State gymnastics you try to do.
This genius thinks arguing in favor of the individual illegally imprisoned by the state is pro-state.
Keep shouting at those clouds. At least they won't point out your cognitive dissonance.
I have no idea what you're rambling on about. Did that sound coherent in your head? The leftist bit is really weird. So is the phrase "The US has no rights to an ES man ...". Perhaps you ought to slow down a bit.
Garcia has had his day in court and was allowed to stay in the US. It does not count as due process if the government does the opposite of what was decided.
Go reread the court case again. You’re suffering from a lack of reading comprehension.
Nope. SCOTUS says the judge had no jurisdiction. Or does the Supreme Court not count now?
Of course, you’ve been told this dozens of times in the last week. So now you’re just a goddamn liar.
The follow up article on what happens when inferior judges ignore SCOTUS will sure be interesting, right?
If my “interesting” you mean “nonexistent”.
Nope. They completely mischaracterized the SC decision from the start so they can pretend the activist lower court judges aren't wildly exceeding their authority.
If the government can still blatantly bypass our 4th amendment rights via third party doctrine - why not the rest?
Does the 4th Amendment even apply to Garcia? He was in the Country illegally and had a deportation order. There's something that needs a USSC ruling.
Yes. All rights apply to all people within the jurisdiction of the US.
Except if you are within 100 miles of a border, the ocean, or an international airport.
Or if the cops do something fucked up that no cop before then has done.
Or if you are in any way in contact with someone who isn't a US citizen.
This remains untrue in many cases. Basic rights, but not all rights. For example a visitor on a foreign visa has no right to work.
Scotus has upheld vida revocation and deporting foreigners over speech multiple times.
4A applies to everyone.
MAGA trolls need to read the Constitution
charliehall needs to fuck off and die.
What Happens When Presidents Defy Court Orders?
If the president is Trump then his defenders cheer, just as they cheer when he ignores and breaks the law. They want a strongman. They want a dictator. Hopefully they won't get their wish.
If the victims are armed US citizens organized in well-regulated Constitutional militias, they defend themselves against officials who attempt to violate their Constitutional rights. If you're not a citizen, you're pretty much on your own with only unarmed nanny-staters to hold vigils in emotional support of your plight and to march in the streets waving slogan signs with their faces painted ineffectually.
You see illegal court actions as a tool to further the leftist agenda.
See J6 and Trump lawsuits.
You're a leftist piece of shit lol.
Imagine believing there have never been unconstitutional or illegal court orders. You're broken.
What happens when an entire "news" organization descends into debilitating TDS?
They're called libertarians these days.
I Hope you're referring to MSNBC, CBS, ABC, Cspan, and their ilk. Unfortunately you're probably referring to Reason magazine. I like to think these articles are the result of one or two writers that don't represent the rest of the organization. Though if that were the case I wonder why they're getting published. I Know they don't represent all libertarians; certainly not this one. There have been some anti-Trump articles that had some merit. Then there are some anti-Trump "hit pieces" for lack of a better term.
I've said for a while now; Trump really just needs to say a large FU to all courts lower than the SCOTUS, which he is supposed to be co-equal with. He's probably making a mistake by even trying to placate the lower courts opinions & rulings. As for the rather misleading headline "what happens when presidents defy court orders"? Nothing. Both procedurally and legally. SCOTUS has already ruled on that; even former POTUS has immunity for all actions taken within the confines of doing his job as POTUS. And if a district judge is stupid enough to try to charge someone in the executive branch, another SCOTUS ruling; the POTUS has absolute and unequivocal power to pardon anyone, anywhere for any reason. Full discretion. So suck it district court judges lol. (Though I think Biden was pushing the envelope for issuing pardons for crimes that hadn't been charged yet; but he did it and so far it stands).
What happens when district court judges get the idea that they have unlimited power to give orders to the President?
Courts need the power to make the administration follow federal law.
What is the federal law that they need to follow now (it being a given that the government violated the law by deporting him).
The Supreme Court needs the ability to make a little ass wipe activist district court judges do what they’re told.
The demands of a judge are not "federal law".
What laws were being followed when a judge stated no asylum but added a withholding order?
What laws were being followed when Boasberg appointed himself an emergency judge and acted without jurisdictional authority?
Who is to say that Trump is defying an order? Obviously, we all know that Trump doesn't want this guy back, and Bukele is making it easy for him by saying no. But the judicial power does not include looking behind this charade. And yes, it is a charade. TFB.
This is a case that easily separates the fascists from everyone else. Only a fascist would support the notion that the President can deport anyone to a foreign prison and not return them when ordered.
Are you severely mentally retarded or something?
Tony should be put down.
Yes, it shows that you are the fascist. You are always the fascist.
Garcia is a known MS-13 gang member and wife beater who entered the US illegally as one immigration court has already deemed.
He is a threat to Americans due to his affiliation to this notorious gang and is not an American citizen.
He had his due process.
Now he's going to go to prison in El Salvador for the rest of his meaningless life and American citizens will be safer for it.
So, save the "you're a fascist" argument for your fellow leftist vermin.
[How is he supposed to return them if they are not able to return?
Are you under the impression that this guy is just chilling in some dude's place, ready to take a rideshare or taxi to the airport as spon as the U.S. government orders it?
"This is a case that easily separates the fascists from everyone else."
True. YOU are the fascist.
This is an extra hilarious comment because every authoritarian has abused the court systems and laws to go after enemies. Actual fascists support your side lol.
Only a fascist would support the notion that the President can deport anyone to a foreign prison and not return them when ordered.
According to Obama, Trump could have just had Garcia killed.
Trump is going to drop an upperdecker on the judiciary.
Molly, are you daft? Look, we all know that Trump could get this done. The problem is that he's a citizen of El Salvador held by the El Salvadoran government. Bukele has said no. The judiciary has zero power to force Trump to do anything to change that "no." It's just that simple.
None of the administration's legal arguments depend on citizenship at all. Once they can deport anyone, it is game over.
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
"Molly, are you daft?"
Molly is a lying pile of steaming TDS-addled shit.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/attorney-general-bondis-claim-that-courts-have-ruled-that-abrego-garcia-is-a-member-of-ms-13/
"What Happens When Presidents Defy Court Orders?"
Gee, just imagine if Lincoln would've defied the Dred Scott decision.
There could have been a civil war!
An Alabama Governor and the President of the United States. These two are not alike.
>The Executive will lose much from a public perception of its lawlessness and all of its attendant contagio
Lose much with *who* though. That is the question.
Biden's supporters were all onboard with his ignoring the courts when it came to things like making other people pay for their student loans.
Trump got half the country to vote for him - will he lose with those people? Or with the people who never wanted him in office? Because he can never win with them anyway.
Trumps numbers have gone up since the TROs started.
The Trump administration is following the letter of the court order. No less. You want them to go above and beyond that.
Wallace was doing things the majority of the country opposed - that is why the USSC rules why it did in the first place (the court does not and never has lead but always punted until it was sure which way the wind blows).
That's great that history won't look kind on him. But what can be done to stop him? If he can get away with this, deporting citizens or hell even just throwing them in American prison without due process is the obvious next step.
So we're to accept the fantasies of some TDS-addled shit-pile?
Fuck off and die, asshole.
No that was a step ago when DOJ was throwing j6ers into prisons.
This writer concludes that by not immediately abandoning their aims and faithfully executing the spirit of the judge's order the admin is defying the order. But that's a woefully obtuse interpretation. Trump said he has nothing but respect for SCOTUS and is committed to following their rulings and that the admin's actions are fully in line with those rulings by "facilitating" in a way that meets the letter of the law.
All the actions of the last week revolve around the term "facilitate". It's normal. It's constitutional. It's exactly the way that America law works and was intended to work. It's a process.
This article comes across as panic-stricken. The term "TDS" isn't just an invention by Trump supporters to disparage their critics. If you think the real estate prosecutions of Trump were just but the DOJ going after Leticia James for her own real estate "fraud" is lawfare, you have TDS.
What happens when the SC orders Trump to "negotiate a free trade deal with Santa Claus" and Trump disobeys it?
Nothing. Because the matter would be um, out of Trump's hand. Garcia is a foreign citizen. SC can no more order Trump to bring him back than to order him to stop Zelenskky to stop kidnapping disabled people off the street to serve in he military.
"But Garcia has due process" or "But Garcia won a reprieve on deportation to ES" is irrelevant. He is citizen and subject to another nation. He is NOT under our jurisdiction.
If one of our suspected criminal flees to ES, and their court grant him a stay, and he's accidentally sent back to US - we have to defer to their due process? If he was duly charged with violating THEIR laws, sure. Otherwise, why?
The irony is that What Reason is arguing for is interventionism. If our courts granted asylum to every draft dodgers who travelled to US under false pretense, we could decimate the Ukrainian army. I really have to wonder if Reason writers are actually reading the stuff they actually publish.
"What Happens When Presidents Defy Court Orders?"
If Biden is any measure, absolutely nothing.
Obviously Biden is your measure and you don’t measure up.
And as long we're talking about "obeying orders and laws" here.
Garcia was ORDERD deported by a judge. He could be deported anywhere except El Salvador. The illogic of that decision aside, did Biden try to obey and deport him to another country? At least to one our territories? Sure seems like he disobeyed court order, huh? No outrage over a suspected gang member and a wife beater allowed to stay so long in the country?
What of Maine disobeying federal law on trans athletes? The millions of immigrants who crossed our borders without permission, are they in violation of our laws? Judges who act outside their jurisdiction and allow juries to find someone guilty with only 4 votes, is that a threat to liberty?
This isn't about due process. This is about protecting immigrants, at any cost and for any reason. In 99% of countries, Garcia would have been deported on the spot, saving them troubles on gray areas. In this country, Garcia got special consideration and option not afforded to American citizens. He was ordered deported because he was in a gang. He was then allowed to apply for asylum and was denied due to lack of evidence. But he won a reprieve on deportation to ES because "just in case". Then no one deported him anywhere, and no one said anything.
If he was a legal citizen and set to lose his home because he didn't cut grass, do you think any court would indulge in saving him? No one would care. No, not enough of the right people would be weeping and wailing, invoking images of Nazi Germany, and dispatching senators to do wellness checks.
Americans don't hate immigrants and foreigners. They do resent living in a two tier system. They resent seeing foreigners given paid housing and healthcare and the attention of the federal brothel, while their own lives are in tatters. They should resent courts ordering, ORDERING! a president to extract a foreign national, while not ordering presidents to rescue imprisoned Americans under Hamas or American citizens forced to serve in the Ukrainian army.
I'm an immigrant in this country. It's not a good look when WE have trouble paying bills and making ends meet, when people from Haiti get free housing and healthcare. We can't even get our government to refill reservoirs to fight fires. Do you understand why Trump won?
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"To put it mildly, the Trump administration has not faithfully followed this judicial order. Rather, Trump officials have egregiously misrepresented what the order actually said while taking zero steps to facilitate Abrego Garcia's return to the U.S."
Yet, SCOTUS never ordered the US government to return Abrego-Garcia to the US. You're aware of this because you quote the ruling.
"On April 10, the Supreme Court ruled that a federal district court order "properly require[d]" the Trump administration "to facilitate" the "release from custody in El Salvador" of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, a man whom the Trump administration admits that it unlawfully deported to a Salvadoran prison because of an "administrative error." The Supreme Court further ordered the administration "to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador," and to "be prepared to share what it can concerning the steps it has taken and the prospect of further steps.""
As you even wrote, the SCOTUS ruled the US government to facilitate Abrego-Garcia's release from custody. No where in their ruling do they say he is to be returned to the US. Why are you egregiously misrepresenting the scotus ruling while claiming the Trump administration is egregiously misrepresenting the ruling? The SCOTUS told the executive branch to be prepared to provide the district court what it can. That means it is up the the executive branch to determine what it can provide to the district court, not the district court make the determination what the executive branch can provide.
The issues I see with this whole ordeal is courts overstepping their authority and then misrepresenting or outright lying about what the SCOTUS has ordered. The district court failed to provide the clarification of what it meant by effectuate, even though SCOTUS ordered them to do so. The SCOTUS even warned the district court it may be exceeding its authority by ordering the executive branch to accomplish, i.e. effectuate, the release from custody.
As of yet, Trump hasn't defied any court orders.
George Wallace was elected 3 times AFTER he made those comments. Exactly what price did he pay?
Definitely lose your birthday!