Your Tribalism Is Dumb
We don't just crave being on a team; we also crave a rival. We want to be in a club, and we want a nemesis to motivate us.

My father visited me once while I was working for Congress, and I took him to the D.C. Armory to see the marching bands perform. This was a brilliant stroke on my part as a son, as my father loves marching band music. He listens to John Philip Sousa every morning on his way to work, and he unwinds by playing Risk on his computer while listening to the kind of jaunty tunes you'd see in old war propaganda films as the aircraft carrier zips toward Japan. Dad might actually enjoy being invaded by a foreign army, so long as they did it while goose-stepping to a solid drumbeat. (I suspect he dislikes terrorists primarily for their lackluster showmanship.)
At one point, the Army bands split into two sections, then marched to opposite ends of the field. One band played some pithy march, like "We Could Wallop Denmark if We Had To." Then paused, so the other band could blast out "The National Coast Guard's Pickleball Fight Song."
When they alternated back, the stadium instinctively knew what to do: clap for their respective marching band, which had been created and assigned approximately six seconds ago.
When the first band finished its installment of "The Fightin' 51st Airborne Squirt Gun Squadron," the north half of the stadium roared with applause, while we in the southern section waited expectantly for our own response. Our band outdid the north section with an upbeat rendition of "Bury My Spleen at Fort Gibson," and we applauded even louder. (We wanted the north section to know that our band was the superior band, and that we adored them and their brassy musical prowess more than those anemic northerners loved their own middling ensemble.)
I was probably the only person in the entire stadium that day who thought it was the slightest bit curious that we were supposed to cleave into arbitrary groups, then arbitrarily root for an arbitrary team we had just been assigned. No one else seemed to consider the situation odd, because tribalism is so deeply hardwired into us. We instinctively form teams the way beagles sniff for rabbits, or how minotaurs build labyrinths to hibernate in.
Tribalism compels us to belong to a team—to love it, affirm our loyalty to it, help it, and subordinate our own interests to its greater good. We gain a desperately needed sense of almost transcendent belonging when we lose ourselves to these tribal identities.
So far, so good. The urge to team up, coordinate neckties, and sing fight songs is a positive one, springing from the depths of our nature as cooperative, social animals. The pleasant shift from "me" to "us" is an enjoyable and meaningful part of the human experience.
Here's the problem: We don't just crave being on a team; we also crave a rival. We want to be in a club and we want a nemesis to motivate us. We desire an external entity to rally against. In American history, particularly when we have a disconcerting nemesis like the Nazis, the Soviets, or a minotaur, we shift our competitive drive to the external threat and get surprisingly chummy with each other. Absent a compelling bad guy to unite against, partisans glance around and say, "Well, I guess I hate you!"
The urge to spar with a competing team is foundational, not circumstantial. That is to say, we are not blissfully lacking in team spirit or the inclination to coalitional rivalry until confronted by an external menace, at which point we suddenly group up and compete in response. Rather, the urge to oppose an outside foe precedes the foe itself.
It's similar to sex drive, in that tribalism can be inflamed and engorged by external stimulus, even as it hums nicely along by itself either way. I've known several men who have resorted to crazy, reckless things when deprived of sex for too long: flying across the world for a first date, calling up unquestionably ill-suited former lovers at odd hours, wearing hairpieces resembling a dead weasel. Humans are not wholly rational and well-balanced eunuchs until a hot person walks by and makes us leak cash and willpower.
That indisputable urge to reproduce does not mean we are hapless apes who wake up each day exclaiming, "Boy howdy, today I'm gonna go out and bang somebody!" then arrange our Google Calendars around getting laid. Yet it would be folly to view sex as some modular desire which we turn on and off when it's convenient, or which only activates when aroused by external stimuli.
Civilizations past and present are brimming with rules and parameters to appropriately channel our boundless libido. Much of the time, they've been onerous and stodgy. But there have to be some guidelines. I'm about as libertine as they come—good luck with your S&M throuple!—but even I acknowledge that we shouldn't try to achieve orgasm while standing in the middle of a busy intersection. That's not prudish, that's just basic logistics. It's inappropriate to satisfy our baser instincts in some places (funerals, highways, children's birthday parties while making prolonged eye contact with other parents) and it's inappropriate in some circumstances (adultery, while piloting a fighter jet, etc.).
We know we have a sex drive, but we acknowledge we have to delay gratification until we've landed the plane we're piloting. There's nothing prurient about a desire to eat, but we understand that we have to chew the odd salad instead of hamburgers and pastries, lest we catch diabetes with both hands. Society needs to develop a similar awareness of, and solutions to, our equally strong coalitional instincts. We can't inoculate ourselves against tribalism, but we can at least stop ourselves from willfully exacerbating it.
I went into stand-up comedy knowing that everyone relates to death and sex—even monks, who occasionally get erections and die (hopefully not at the same time). Jokes that deal with these issues, particularly if they release some taboo or unstated tension, resonate with the human psyche in a way that punchlines about QuickBooks or airline food cannot. A lot of stand-up comedy revolves around tension in courtship (sex) and the quirks of aging (death).
I was surprised to discover tribal loyalty is just as potent and visceral as death and sex. In fact, more often than not, allegiance to a tribe is more important.
I'm not a particularly edgy comic, so I'm unlikely to ruffle feathers with bawdy jokes. All the same, I've rarely seen anyone in an audience get angry about an implied lack of sex, or gags aimed at their impending mortality. They can take it. Conversely, if you start asking people why they like a particular sports team, onstage or otherwise, they seriously contemplate running you over with their car.
How exactly are the Vikings "Minnesotan"? The players aren't from there. Their teams drafted or traded them. And they will leave when they get a better deal. The owner probably lives in New York or Florida half the time. As Jerry Seinfeld puts it, are we just rooting for the jerseys?
In high school, it surprised me to discover that many of my conservative, rural family members were registered Democrats. They came of age in a one-party state, and so affiliated with the only game in town, and had never felt compelled to change it. Why bother? It was simply a clerical distinction filed away in a building somewhere, not a personal expression of their values or chosen community.
In college, I had entire relationships with people whose politics I never learned. Granted, I might not remember due to binge drinking, but I seem to recall going on strings of dates where politics never really came up. Conversely, when I moved to Manhattan, a young lady told me on our first date, "I wake up every morning and try to be a better liberal." At the time, this statement made absolutely no sense to me. It sounded like picking a wrench instead of a hammer, then somehow incorporating daily devotionals about wrench usage.
Polling shows today's parents are more open than ever to the prospects of their son or daughter marrying outside of the family race or religion. But at the same time, parents are increasingly bothered by the idea of their child stumbling into a cross-partisan marriage. Politics has become the new religion.
For those deaf to the siren's call of tribalism, political discussions are particularly vexing. Partisans increasingly assume all political conversations are a referendum about who is the good team and who is the death of humanity. Try as you might to discuss policy or philosophy outside of the partisan Thunderdome, people assume you're agitating for Blue Team or Red Team. And make no mistake: There are exactly two teams. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia. You're not allowed to opt out.
Criticism of any politician, then, must likewise fall within that well-worn partisan gutter. I call it Teeter-Totter Thinking: If you say something negative about a Republican, it must mean you are simultaneously championing Democrats as the alternative, or vice versa. So, if you critique [former] President Barack Obama, they will bring up that George W. Bush was worse. If you criticize Donald Trump, they will dredge up Bill Clinton's sexual exploits with underage minotaurs.
All political conversations—and increasingly everything is a political conversation, from whether you prefer salad over barbecue to whether you drive a motorcycle or a unicycle—boil down to affirming loyalty to Our Team and, subtly or overtly, expressing disgust with Team Evil. Comedians have turned into pundits, and pundits have turned into minotaurs.
It would baffle an extraterrestrial visitor to discover that Red Team and Blue Team, which nominally promote policy prescriptions, influence whether you think Bud Light is progressive inclusive swill or sanctimonious woke swill. Back in the day, Bud Light was largely apolitical swill. In a world of inflamed tribalism, everything is a totem pole, and everyone wants to desecrate the enemy's sacred idols.
When we fail to reward partisan rancor as evidence of loyalty to the Good Team, Teeter-Totter Thinkers grow angry—we were supposed to applaud their polemical tirade! When we rebuff their efforts to bond over a shared hatred of some sinful person or ideologically dangerous sect, they infer we must harbor illicit sympathies for them. In fact, a lot of us simply don't want more hatred and fear in our lives.
Most troubling, teeter-totter/tribal/partisan politics increasingly gives those who are drunk on tribal warfare license to suspend basic human decency. Heathens on Team Evil have willfully forfeited their humanity, and so are beneath contempt. Otherwise lovely, considerate people make cripple jokes about wheelchair-bound politicians, or wisecracks about dead spouses and troubled children, because the target is of the opposing party and therefore exempt from ethical norms.
In online arguments, partisans fight their enemies with euphoric ruthlessness. In a spat about something as quotidian as trade barriers or the filibuster, they spew hurtful invectives calculated to inflict maximum emotional damage, in a way that would be wildly inappropriate (if not alarmingly sociopathic) in any other arena of life. A kind of derangement sets in to inflict not just emotional damage, but also social and vocational harm. If the villain winds up killing themselves, well, that's one less evildoer holding us back, right?
If someone on your adult kickball team laughed and laughed when a player from the other team accidentally split their femur in half, we would rightly view that schadenfreude as inappropriate. Yet, often crusaders from Red Team and Blue Team are not merely exempted from such basic considerations, they are openly celebrated for flouting them.
Sanctified as an epic struggle between two cosmic, warring factions, teeter-totter politics tells us that not only are you at liberty to be nasty and hurtful in a way you cannot be anywhere else in polite society, you are a good person for indulging such odious behavior. You can express your most vicious impulses and spew hate at your opponents for emotional release. Your cruelty will be tolerated, if not praised, in this singular aspect of society where normal restraints do not apply.
Perhaps one day we can quit reflexively bristling and squirting fire hoses of partisan bile at each other. Only then will we be able to focus on the real threat to our great nation: minotaurs!
This essay was adapted from Andrew Heaton's book, Tribalism is Dumb: Where It Came from, How It Got So Bad, and What to Do about It, by permission of Last House Standing Books.
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I was in the Navy for four years. Marines were the worst, mortal enemies, until the Army showed up, cuz they were horrible horrible ground pounders, and then the Air Force beat them for worst in their bus driver uniforms and bubble gum flyboy song with no tradition. The Coasties never entered into the picture cuz we wuz overseas.
It's pronounced 'Air Farce', you web-toed stump-jumper.
I remember finding they had special operations forces, and thinking, what, they drive the short buses and get special K for breakfast?
Truth, aka reality, is the only thing we all share in peace. Tribes that value truth, live in peace.
If you don’t value reality, not only are you insane but you’re a danger to yourself and others.
Says the Holocaust denier.
Misek would have lived in happy peace with real Nazis.
Shorter Misek: Well, time to start killing Jews again. Which never happened - at least not to the extent they claim, and have a lot of physical evidence for. I mean, yeah they probably killed some . . .
Me against my brother. Me and my brother against my cousin. Me, my brother, and my cousin against the fucking USAF!
But what if your brother joined the wing-wipers?
Then it was all of them vs. the Teamsters.
My Marine friends call you guys "taxi drivers".
Are those the ones DOGE fired before they even looked into the DoD? Basically imaginary like all your personal stories?
Bitch, you spend all day everyday on an internet forum. "Basically imaginary" is all you'll ever be if you keep up being a deadbeat waste of system resources.
Poor sarc.
And you’re just a retarded, cunty NPC.
Lol. Scottie is pissed his best friends idiocy is called out. Hilarious.
I gave up on sportsball loyalty when the SF Giants traded away Willie Mays. Felt like Capital T Treason. I knew he was getting old, but Willie Mays! He and Willie McCovey were the best post-game interviews. (My brother hung a huge aerial between trees and we picked him up distantly.)
Later, a year or two, I realized it was partly Willie Mays' fault too, as with all negotiations, and he probably should have retired as a player, and maybe he just wasn't interested in coaching. But the takeaway was that teams were just hired coaches and hired players, hired hands the lot of them, and team loyalty was a bizarre concept; what, am I supposed to feel loyalty to some mascot, or some billionaire who can change the mascot on a whim too? I did feel loyalty to Charlie O trying to introduce orange baseballs and requiring whopping big mustaches, and that was about it.
Mickey Mantle don't care about you!
Pfffft! Yankees. Scum! They were so pathetic they had to buy Babe Ruth to be any good.
Stan Musial has entered the chat.
Started off strong, funny and with a point, then took a left turn into sex, then meandered through several unrelated points until the ending that I didn't make it all the way to.
It's for folks able to count higher than two.
It’s for idiots like you.
Teen murders parents as part of plot to kill President Trump
On a more serious note, I put all this teeter-totter politics down to government intruding more and more into our lives. When our daily interactions with government were limited to the post office, the rest of it mattered, but only remotely, and could be limited to election season. Now everything we do is affected by government. The 1930s were the big change; that's when sales taxes were invented, along with parking meters and widespread intersection signal lights. FICA deductions, withholding during WW II, labor relations and regulations, and now you can't repair a roof or add a deck without fretting over some neighbor snitching to the county.
There have been commenters here who refused to believe that private parties built most roads and dams. Air Traffic Control was invented by airlines starting in 1929, who were glad to palm it off on taxpayers after WW II. Radio frequency allocation was a private matter at first, then a common law property, until the burgeoning networks saw the opportunity to get Herbert Hoover as Commerce Secretary to control it, and they controlled him.
People no longer believe in individualism, and this rag is a good example. First thoughts always go to "what is government going to do about this" or (this rag's favorite) "how can we make government fairer or more efficient". The idea of tossing government out of some field is like throwing Momma from the train. Jimmy Carter's deregulations could never happen today. DOGE will expose a lot of corruption, Trump will roll back some wokism for a while, but trucking, railroad, and airline regulation is returning, baby step by baby step.
The only way to get rid of partisan teeter-totter politics is to get rid of partisan teeter-totter government, and that ain't gonna happen. It already takes so long to change regulations that Biden's changes to Trump's regulations were barely in effect when Trump took over again, and his changes won't be effective long before 2028 comes along. We're going to settle down into an era of a rusted teeter totter which people haven't got enough WD-40 to ever move again.
That's a very strong point. It's possible Heaton gets there in his book, but I don't intend to read it to find out. I do think he's a pretty fair guy and is genuinely interested in taking us back to an era of politics being the tenth most important thing in your life. It's a shame most of his fellow staffers don't share either of those traits.
It's hard to imagine someone working on all the videos making fun of government and still thinking government is competent. I'll add his book to my Kindle list, but only buy if the price drops. $10 for any kindle book seems excessive unless it's highly technical or full of maps and pictures and diagrams.
On a more serious note, I put all this teeter-totter politics down to government intruding more and more into our lives.
What you wrote is fairly well thought out. I can give you credit for that. However, there is something I think you missed in all of it.
How much of our daily lives government should be involved in is one of the choices voters have to make. It is also one of the main choices that sorts people into different political tribes. This is the thing that your proposed solution to tribal politics gets wrong, even though you admit that it "ain't gonna happen." What you are really arguing for is for your side to win.
He didn't miss it because it's not true! How much government should be involved in was NEVER a choice for the voters. From the very beginning of our Constitutional Republic the CONSTITUTION was intended to decide that, once and for all, forever. Although there was supposed to be some wiggle room in case, at some point in history, The People realized some flaw in the system, or history made it necessary to update the way we did things (e.g. new technology or unimaginable new threats) they could Amend it; otherwise that Government was intended to do ONLY the things specifically enumerated for them to do; and NOT do anything else! It was intended to be very difficult to change the Constitution! The minute The People discovered that they could get a benefit at someone else's expense through government authority; or that they could impose their preferred socioeconomic system through "exceptions" to the Constitutional safeguards, the end became inevitable.
He didn't miss it because it's not true! How much government should be involved in was NEVER a choice for the voters. From the very beginning of our Constitutional Republic the CONSTITUTION was intended to decide that, once and for all, forever.
No. For example: The Constitution says that Congress has the power to regulate interstate commerce. It doesn't say that it can only do that in a limited way, nor did it define what kind of commerce it could regulate. That was always supposed to be decided by the voters through their elected representatives.'
You are reading what you want to be true into it, without any basis in the text itself.
"It doesn't say that it can only do that in a limited way, nor did it define what kind of commerce it could regulate."
This is patently false. It is you who is reading what you want to be true into it! Interstate commerce is commerce between the states. When Congress passes laws to regulate the employment relationship for a business engaged in making widgets that someone else buys to sell to another state that is not even remotely "regulating interstate commerce." When Congress passes a law to regulate the produce grown by a farmer bought by someone else to sell to another state, that is also not even remotely "regulating interstate commerce" no matter what excuses they pretend to at the time. But thanks for trying to defend the indefensible for us ... now we know just how much you hate Constitutionally limited government authority.
This is patently false. It is you who is reading what you want to be true into it! Interstate commerce is commerce between the states. When Congress passes laws to regulate the employment relationship for a business engaged in making widgets that someone else buys to sell to another state that is not even remotely "regulating interstate commerce." When Congress passes a law to regulate the produce grown by a farmer bought by someone else to sell to another state, that is also not even remotely "regulating interstate commerce" no matter what excuses they pretend to at the time.
Where in the text of the Constitution does it say that?
You're telling me that I'm the one reading into the text something that isn't there and then immediately explain what the text means using ideas and arguments that are not based on the text.
Instead of relying on what the Constitution actually says, you are explaining what you think it means.
Is this how boomers really think? Completely oblivious to the GOVERNMENT PAYING FOR BOTS AND PUSHING NARRSTIVES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE INTERNET?
Do you chumps have any fucjing idea how ubiquitous this phenomenon is?
Quit jawing about your antiquated wisdom and get with the goddamn program. Jesus fuck this is readily available information. Y’all still acting like “conspiracy theory” stuff means it’s fake. Wrong. Almost all reasonable conspiracy theories are mostly true. But this isn’t even a conspiracy theory - IT IS GODDAMN FACT YOU FUCKS.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33882014/
https://demtech.oii.ox.ac.uk/research/posts/industrialized-disinformation/
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-01-13-social-media-manipulation-political-actors-industrial-scale-problem-oxford-report
Or do a search from duck duck go and learn something new. No wonder this country is polarized and going to shit - our elders have been hypnotized into zombies who think the legacy media is still pretty good and their comments on social media are responses to actual people.
Oh and btw Covid was released on us, numbnuts.
The only thing people seem to need more than a group to belong to is someone to exclude from it.
Ok boomer.
You can reject or embrace a value, but keeping the on/off switch meaningless is the key to Left&Right monofilamentism and package-dealing (fusionism a century ago). TWO value components, like individual rights and economic freedom, cleave the looter Kleptocracy asunder like the Wizard of Mangaboo. There result four alternatives raising questions like what is value? freedom? coercion? force and such with answers in reality rather than the Nyoo Testamint, Mine Kampf or the Communist minifesto.
Ok, pre boomer.
I hate haters.
Then it's haters all the way down.
I hate hater haters.
Yup, tribalism and instinctive hate of the others is hard-wired in humans. Just look at other apes, and imagine what our ancestors were like.
But why no mention of deliberate efforts to encourage and exploit tribalism? Politics and religion certain did this in their earliest forms, and obviously still do today. Their evil offspring, media, then perfected the art of division for fun and profit, and now most media is proudly and probably irreversibly tribal. And commerce has become more tribal, with clear affinities for certain companies and products, with sales appeal just as much about signaling as any practical value.
"And commerce has become more tribal"
^THIS....
The predictable effect of putting [WE] gangs with a vote Gov-Guns (i.e. democracy) in charge of commerce to begin with.
Perhaps the founding fathers who wrote the US Constitution understood a heck of a lot more about 'politics' than most give them credit for.
There isn't much out there more barbaric than putting the end of a Gov-Gun as the solution to every problem under the sun. (i.e. BIG Government)
As said before and I'll say again; The only humanitarian use of Gov-Guns is to ensure Individual Liberty and Justice for all.
"Perhaps the founding fathers who wrote the US Constitution understood a heck of a lot more about 'politics' than most give them credit for."
The founding fathers understood a heck of a lot more about human nature than most give them credit for.
Good book. For the most part each chapter was a summary of a Political Orphanage episode. Was still entertaining and informative. And every comments section on this site shows how you tribalist Trump defenders are, well, dumb.
You've admitted you don't read. Maybe a book on tape.
Hilarious you immediately go into the tribalism you supposedly learned about.
It’s “your tribalism” not his.
Yah, because TDS only works on one side. Yah, yah.
The only major difference I've seen between the worshipers of Obama's cult of personality and the worshipers of Trump's cult of personality is the accusation they make of those who aren't part of the faith. Obama's worshipers accused the faithless of being racist, and Trump's worshipers accuse the faithless of being deranged (TDS). That's about it.
And the irony on both sides is delicious, being that Obama's worshipers judged everything based upon race and Trump's worshipers are just fucking mental.
The irony is you supported and applauded all use of government against conservatives from Trump to J6 while defending Joe against the same charges. Then you declare others are in cults so you can rationalize your hypocrisy.
You are one of the most tribalist people here lol.
See how you constantly yell Trump cultists to people who just disagree with you. See how your legal analysis changes based on the target (Trump, j6, Alex Jones, etc). See how you claim illegals can violate laws as they aren't morale yet you defend novel legal construction against conservatives.
I mean look at your post just fucking yesterday.
It is fucking hilarious.
Hey idiot, you're the only one who brought Trump and Obama into this. YOU are the obsessive tribalist that you rail against.
I remember the days when Sarc made contrarian, but salient points. What happened?
Booze.
“All those people I hate are so tribal.”
He doesn't even realize the stupidity of his post.
To be fair, there are not that many non-MAGAts at a Klan Rally hissing match. But the key to comsymp unilateral surrenderists in recent decades has been Sharknado Warmunism. Canada's CTV network and the German DW both feature such objective coverage that only the obligatory inclusion up-to-date pearl-clutching over "greenhouse gases" or "carbon footprints" tells what whining about "baby seals" or "the arms race" transmitted to readers back when the LP was new.
Here he comes to shit on a perfectly fine thread with his hypocrisy.
Dumb, or a liar?
There are only two states in which a person can be non-tribal: feral (base instincts only) and robotic (following orders without question).
Therefore, it's pointless to try to break away from tribalism.
You should read about libertarianism. But you will have to find another web site.
Even libertarians are largely tribalist.
MC, beltway libertarians, LGBT anarchists.
I don't know if you are being serious or not, but either way you're just wrong. Humans at many times and in many places have overcome hard-wired instinct in favor of more civilized behavior. There are two - and only two - conditions necessary and sufficient for this to happen: the environment has to be safe and stable enough to ALLOW for higher motivations; and the view has to be clear enough for people to see the benefit they get from higher-level behavior. Although there will always be a few flawed individuals (the current shamans have labeled this "sociopathic personality disorder" but whatever,) if the vast majority of people in any locale can see the personal benefit to themselves from ensuring that ALL of them have equal rights, cooperation will prevail and teams will be strictly for fun.
>We Could Wallop Denmark if We Had To (et al)
Well aren't you just the cutest, making fun of something you don't understand.
It's not tribalism, it's a performance, and people understand the parameters of putting on a good show. There is no such thing as instant tribalism -- that would be a contradiction in terms.
As for the rest of the bloviation, I skipped to the end, and yep, there it is -- the book plug. I won't be buying that book; I'm in Tribe No Puffed-Up Pseudointellectual Sophomoric Nonsense.
When I watch sports, even if neither team is one I care about I'll find some reason to pick a side. The competition is less fun if you just golf clap every good play. Tribalism isn't wrong. The issue is in how people choose their tribes and what they will choose to support to remain in the tribe. There's no issue if people can switch tribes as easily as they chose which band to cheer for. It's when people settle into blind tribalism that we find a problem as those leading the tribes will abuse that loyalty.
“I was probably the only person in the entire stadium that day who thought it was the slightest bit curious that we were supposed to cleave into arbitrary groups, then arbitrarily root for an arbitrary team we had just been assigned”
Don’t strain your shoulder patting yourself on the back douche.
What is this with the minotaurs?
I'm sure it's something he uses a lot in his podcasts or whatever. Heaton's a decent guy, but his stuff definitely falls prey to the hipster / Manhattan / insisder syndrome. Which is somewhat comical given the topic.
You know how "amazing" is the new clickbait, right?
And you WON'T BELIEVE #8!!!
Will it shock me? Only one way to find out!
Was it Suderman who admitted he wore masks during covid so his neighbors didn’t think he was a republican? This just reminded me of that.
FINALLY, something by Heaton!
Libertarians have had trouble telling them apart because teeter-totter means a straight line with Hitler and Jesus at one end and Stalin and Mao at the other. Christian nationalsocialists define Trump voters as upright Christians surrounded by young-but-ambitious gerontophiles--like Virginia Giuffre. It follows from the exclusion rule that all Dems and Libs are all pedophiles and groomers-of-minors--defined as people under thirty. It may be that they hate gays for violating the new "2 genders" doctrine, thereby raising the specter of law-changing third-party spoiler votes. As a quick rule of thumb, most of what looter partisans say about one another is true.
Tribalism is a unique character strength of Democrats and that is well established.
For anyone else ...... maybe there is a US Constitution (Supreme Law of the Land) and there are those who want to destroy it and build a [Na]tional So[zi]alist Zero-Sum-THEFT-of-resources Empire out of their own selfishness and greed.
You can pound the tribalism drum all you want. It's the Individual Liberty and Justice for all ethics and honor that drives those who support a USA over a Nazi-Empire.
As-if the purity of 'democracy-only' of points makes a WIN no matter what (UN-Constitutionally) it is that Democrats very party is founded on wouldn't give away which party is the more tribalist.
No sense of irony, I see
Difference is (just as sarc demonstrates); True US patriots don't care which party honors the US Constitution but notices the reality in one party that *really* does honor it far-more-so than the other instead of hiding under the covers of a tribalist self-projection game.
Civilizations past and present are brimming with rules and parameters to appropriately channel our boundless libido. Much of the time, they've been onerous and stodgy. But there have to be some guidelines. I'm about as libertine as they come—good luck with your S&M throuple!—but even I acknowledge that we shouldn't try to achieve orgasm while standing in the middle of a busy intersection. That's not prudish, that's just basic logistics.
*facepalm*
As a gay Libertarian, I *had* to find someone outside my tribe. I know all twelve of the others!
Just the other day, on a local discussion board, someone posted to the effect of "This isn't just politics anymore! It's a war between GOOD and EVIL!". I responded that that attitude was a problem for our society today, and that someone disagreeing with you on a public policy issue does not make them "evil". Immediately, other posters excoriated me for not recognizing we are in a battle between God and Satan, and that if I'm not in the Jesus Army then I'm with the Devil. I don't see a way back to civility and respectful disagreement from here.
Well then, let's start one of those Hundred Years wars.
There are issues where I agree with them. Child sexual predation is one where I'll agree there is a good and evil side.
Is there actually a "side" in favor of child sexual predation?
Yes.
There is a whole movement around Minor Attracted People and their normalization. There is a movement defending sexualization of children to normalize it.
In the context of national politics I would not call a handful of weirdos a "side".
“Your tribalism is dumb” and yours?
Rabid partisan politics allows our hopelessly corrupt, oft criminal political system to flourish. Neither political party is worth a warm bucket of spit. Will we ever learn? I doubt it.
Will we ever learn?.....
That the only thing that separates 'Government' from anything else is it's monopoly of 'Guns' ?legal?-usage against the people.
As such it is not a tool capable of supplying sh*t in any other way than 'armed-theft'. The only non-criminal humanitarian things 'Guns' (government) can possibly supply a society is to ensure their Individual Liberty and Justice for all used against those who try to take those away......
Then look at the UK, and realize its political class (who do not really disagree on much of anything) is, if anything, much more corrupt.
The civilized social construct has been at war with reality from the beginning. Civilization is an unintended by-product of horticulture which was a survival strategy of subsistence. For the most part, civilization is the exact opposite of how our species evolved to live. In hyper-brief, our kind evolved to live in productive habitats in small, kin-related groups utilizing a sharing economy and governed by trusted elders. Band-level societies shared a common language, traditions, customs and language. Civilization, on-the-other-hand, causes people to live amongst hordes of strangers in a filthy non-productive habitat, specialized, socially fragmented and alienated from the natural world. Generally, the more civilized a person becomes, the more insane they get. This is why the political Left - the most highly-urbanized group in Western countries - appear so bizarre and batshit crazy.
"Back in the day, Bud Light was largely apolitical swill."
And might still be if they marketing team had not decided that replacing their existing customer base by pandering to a fake "inclusivity" by making an insulting caricature of a rans person a spokesperson. They made themselves political.
You want to go back to a time when businesses and businesses were not political? I'm wondering when that time was. It definitely wasn't in my lifetime. This famous commercial came out the year I was born. Is it apolitical? Or would it derided as "woke" for having such a "diverse" group of people sing such a "lefty" pacifist message?
You kind of missed the point of their marketing VP expressing contempt for the existing customer base.
I never saw anyone that expressed displeasure with Bud Light over the trans "spokesperson" (that would have gone entirely unnoticed other than that person's social media followers) mention any particular executive at Anheuser-Busch. If there is some kind of statement from their marketing VP expressing contempt for their existing customer base, it would be news to me. I mean, I mostly remember Kid Rock shooting up a bunch of Bud Light, while apparently, continuing to sell it at his bar.
The thing is, the "We Are Above It All Tribe" is a tribe too ...
Perhaps the true defining characteristic of Tribalism is aligned with the Communist/Socialist mentality ... [WE] Identify-as gang building w/o any underlying principles so lost they resort to name-calling the 'icky' people Tribalists (see sarc) as an excuse and act of self-projection.
Whereas a so-called Tribe that has the principles of ensuring Individual Liberty and Justice for all rather falls apart because it's missing that "true defining characteristic of Tribalism".
No, it isn't. I take the whole point of this article, and of John Cleese's decades-old video I link below, to be that tribes are defined as much by their enemies as by their adherence to the group's ideas and values.
To be a tribe, "We Are Above It All" would have to have both a shared set of goals and a shared set of enemies to oppose. But a) what are the goals of that supposed tribe? and b) who are the enemies that they oppose?
You should also note that having opposition isn't the same thing as having enemies. Enemies need to be defeated completely, and the methods used to defeat them can bend rules of ethics and morality much more than ordinary political opposition. And that right there is the danger of tribal thinking.
The funny thing about that type is they are completely silent as long as power accrues to the socialists. As soon as anyone stands up against them they're right there to decry the response as the instigating factor.
John Cleese said this more simply and more effectively ~40 years ago.
The one difference is that Cleese was describing "extremism". Cleese used that word, but I actually think that it is unfortunate that he did. Few people are going to think of themselves as being "extremist." Even the Barry Goldwater line, "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice," isn't going to get many people to admit to their views being on one of the far ends of the spectrum. This makes it easy for people that should be doing some self-reflection to dismiss this as not applying to them. The real point is that everyone needs to be thinking about this in order to avoid falling into the irrational cognitive traps that everyone is susceptible to experiencing.
It is also a problem that Cleese used that word when it isn't extremism that is the problem, but tribal partisanship. I can forgive him that word choice, however, because the idea of "tribal politics" probably wasn't used at that time in common discourse.
In his favor, the line that gave me the biggest rueful laugh in that video was how both the left and right shared the same enemy: moderates.
“Politics has become the new religion.”
Well, duh. And don’t try to be an agnostic.
For what it's worth, here's my take on this: while I agree that the tendency to join teams (in the modern sense) is programmed into us genetically as a survival trait handed down from a million years ago when trying to go it alone was almost guaranteed to ensure that your genes would NOT be passed along to the next generation, I disagree that the need to find a nemesis is even remotely in the same category. Just as sex is not your first priority while you're dodging bullets or starving slowly to death in a wilderness, opposing the socialists is not something I would feel any urge to waste time time or energy upon on any regular basis if not for the very real and very imminent threat they pose to me now. For decades I engaged in the philosophical and political game because I thought trying to head us back off The Road to Serfdom was important, although not necessarily urgent. I started to realize early on that the Socialists and, to a lesser extent, the Christian Prudes were not just engaged in a political game - rah! rah! rah! - but were deadly serious about imposing their social system on me, and that there was no way to beat them politically or legally. If there is any hope now of restoring the Constitutional Republic and its strictly limited Government, it would be Team Trump's wrecking ball and Team Milei's chainsaw. But that hope is rapidly fading. Sigh. Oh well, half-time is over - back to the game!
^That's a good read MWAocdoc +1000000000.