A Ruling Against Mahmoud Khalil Highlights Marco Rubio's Vast Power To Deport People for Their Opinions
An immigration judge's decision reinforces the constitutional argument against the law that the secretary of state is invoking.

Jamee E. Comans, an immigration judge in Louisiana, today ruled that the Trump administration had met the statutory requirements for deporting former Columbia graduate student Mahmoud Khalil, a legal permanent resident who was targeted because of his prominent role in anti-Israel protests at Columbia University. That decision underlines the vast power that a federal law gives Secretary of State Marco Rubio to deem someone "subject to removal" based on the opinions he expresses.
"This court is without jurisdiction to entertain challenges to the validity of this law under the Constitution," Comans said as she delivered her ruling. But the constitutionality of the law and Rubio's use of it against Khalil is the focus of litigation in New Jersey, where U.S. District Judge Michael Farbiarz has blocked Khalil's deportation pending resolution of the case. Comans' decision reinforces Khalil's constitutional arguments by showing how easy it currently is to deport someone whose views offend the secretary of state.
On Tuesday, Comans said she would terminate the deportation case against Khalil unless the government provided evidence to support its claim that he is subject to removal. In response, the government submitted a two-page memo in which Rubio avers that allowing Khalil to remain in the United States "would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences and would compromise a compelling U.S. foreign policy interest"—specifically, the government's interest in "combat[ting] anti-Semitism around the world and in the United States."
That legal rationale, which is based on a provision of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) codified as 8 USC 1227(a)(4)(C)(i), had already been widely reported, and the memo does not flesh it out with details specific to Khalil. It merely claims that Khalil, along with another green-card holder whose name is redacted, participated in "antisemitic protests and disruptive activities." Rubio's haziness underlines the startling breadth of the statute he is invoking, which not only encompasses constitutionally protected speech but also gives the secretary of state seemingly unlimited discretion to decide when people are subject to deportation because of their views.
The government does not claim that Khalil, who was arrested by immigration agents in Manhattan on March 8 and transferred to a detention facility in Louisiana after a brief stop in New Jersey, has committed any crime. In fact, Rubio's memo acknowledges that the case against Khalil is based on "past, current, or expected beliefs, statements, or associations that are otherwise lawful."
In general, a foreign national is neither excludable nor deportable "because of the alien's past, current, or expected beliefs, statements, or associations, if such beliefs, statements, or associations would be lawful within the United States." But the INA makes an exception when "the Secretary of State personally determines that the alien's admission would compromise a compelling United States foreign policy interest." The only statutory requirement to invoke that exception is that the secretary of state "has reasonable ground to believe" that someone's "presence or activities" would "have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States."
It is not hard to see why Maryanne Trump Barry, President Donald Trump's late sister, concluded that Section 1227(a)(4)(C)(i) is "unconstitutionally vague" in 1996. Barry, then a federal judge in New Jersey, noted that "the range of circumstances that could warrant deportation" under that provision "is virtually boundless."
The law grants the secretary of state "unrestrained power," Barry noted, "authoriz[ing] a heretofore unknown scope of executive enforcement power vis-a-vis the individual with utterly no standards provided to the Secretary of State or to the legal aliens subject to its provisions." It "provides absolutely no notice to aliens as to what is required of them," she added, and "represents a breathtaking departure" from "well established legislative precedent which commands deportation based on adjudications of defined impermissible conduct by the alien in the United States."
Khalil's case illustrates the law's vagueness. Rubio says "information" provided by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) indicates that Khalil participated in "antisemitic protests and disruptive activities" that fostered "a hostile environment for Jewish students in the United States." The memo lists a "DHS letter on Mahmoud Khalil" and two "subject profile[s]" of him as "attachments." But according to Khalil's lawyers, the government did not submit those documents or any other information beyond the memo as evidence in the immigration case.
We can surmise that the DHS documents include descriptions of the anti-Israel protests at Columbia, which often featured speech that was arguably or explicitly antisemitic. Columbia University Apartheid Divest (CUAD), for example, supports "liberation by any means necessary, including armed resistance," and has celebrated the barbaric Hamas attack that set off the war in Gaza. The group went so far as to retract an apology for the comments of a student protester who said, during a disciplinary hearing, that "Zionists don't deserve to live," adding, "Be grateful that I'm not just going out and murdering Zionists."
A federal lawsuit that survivors of the Hamas attack filed in Manhattan last month argues that CUAD, four other pro-Palestinian groups at Columbia, and three activists, including Khalil, are liable for damages under the Anti-Terrorism Act and the the Alien Tort Statute for "aiding and abetting Hamas' continuing acts of international terrorism and violations of the law of nations." Although the plaintiffs portray Khalil and the other defendants as "expert propagandists and recruiters" for Hamas, that claim is based almost entirely on constitutionally protected speech.
Even if Khalil openly praised Hamas or expressed hatred of Jews, those opinions would be protected by the First Amendment. But the lawsuit does not cite evidence that Khalil has done either of those things. The plaintiffs instead rely on guilt by association.
Khalil played a conspicuous role as a negotiator for pro-Palestinian protesters at Columbia. The complaint describes him as "the public face and de facto president" of CUAD. It adds that, "upon information and belief," Khalil is "also the de facto president" of two other groups named as defendants: Columbia Students for Justice in Palestine and the Columbia-Barnard Jewish Voice for Peace.
If those claims are accurate, it is fair to attribute those groups' views, including CUAD's endorsement of "armed resistance" and "liberation by any means necessary," to Khalil. Yet the inference that Khalil was in charge of those groups seems to be based mainly on his role as "the primary spokesperson and negotiator" for student protesters, a function that does not necessarily mean he agreed with all of the views they expressed. And although the lawsuit cites inflammatory Instagram messages promoting "intifada," Khalil has complained that he was blamed for "social media posts that I had nothing to do with."
The lawsuit is notably short of statements by Khalil himself that could reasonably be viewed as antisemitic. The complaint says, for example, that Khalil "led a rally where activists chanted 'from the river to the sea,' an antisemitic [slogan] used by Hamas to call for Israel's destruction." But it does not say whether Khalil himself chanted that slogan or endorsed the sentiment behind it.
Khalil, for his part, says he supports a peaceful solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. "As a Palestinian student, I believe that the liberation of the Palestinian people and the Jewish people are intertwined and go hand by hand, and you cannot achieve one without the other," he told CNN last year. "Our movement is a movement for social justice and freedom and equality for everyone." He disavowed anti-Jewish sentiment, saying, "There is, of course, no place for antisemitism."
One might reasonably be skeptical of those self-serving statements, even though Khalil made them long before he was threatened with deportation. But for what it's worth, Khalil's portrayal of his views is echoed by Jewish friends who insist he opposes violence and is not remotely antisemitic.
One of those friends, a Columbia professor who identifies herself as "an American Jewish woman who believes in the importance of Israel as a Jewish homeland," describes Khalil as "someone working to be part of the solution towards a peaceful resolution to the conflict in Palestine and Israel." She says he "has never expressed support for Hamas" or "endorsed any form of extremism."
Another friend, a Columbia student who says "Judaism has always been central to my identity," reports that Khalil attended "Shabbat dinners I hosted with my friends" and "always approached our traditions with kindness." She portrays Khalil as a calming influence during a rally four days after the Hamas attack.
"When people hurled insults and profanities at me and my classmates," the student says, "Mahmoud was the first to step in and de-escalate the situation. He never raised his voice, never used harsh language, never resorted to aggression—he spoke calmly and respectfully, shielding students, including me, a Jewish student, from harm. He put himself between me and an aggressor, prioritizing my safety over his own. That is not the behavior of an antisemite—that is the behavior of an ally and a friend."
At another protest that November, the student adds, "I witnessed firsthand Mahmoud's unwavering commitment to protecting Jewish students. When an unaffiliated individual began shouting antisemitic slogans, Mahmoud was the first to intervene, immediately de-escalating the situation and ensuring the safety of those present. This came as no surprise—I already knew Mahmoud as someone I could trust to stand up for me and my community."
For many Jews (including me), engaging in anti-Israel protests immediately after the Hamas attack was inherently offensive, and even Khalil's avowed views will strike anyone looking for nuance as tendentious. His lawyers say he "has called Israel's actions in Gaza a genocide and characterized the United States as financing and facilitating such violence." But none of this necessarily makes him antisemitic.
Rubio is not interested in parsing such distinctions, and the law on which he is relying does not require him to do so. Nor does it require him to justify his implausible claim that allowing one pro-Palestinian activist to remain in the United States would have any significant implications for the government's stance against antisemitism. After all, every American has a constitutional right to openly express hatred of Jews, and that legal tolerance of bigotry in no way means the government endorses those opinions.
Khalil's lawyers argued, unsuccessfully, that resolution of his immigration case required testimony from Rubio that would elucidate his reasoning. Khalil "has the right under due process to confront the evidence against him, and that's what we want to examine Secretary of State Rubio about," one of his attorneys told The New York Times.
The focus of Khalil's legal battle now shifts to New Jersey, where Farbiarz is considering his constitutional arguments. In a brief supporting Khalil's challenge, the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) argues that the deportation threat constitutes viewpoint-based discrimination, which is presumptively unconstitutional, and amounts to government retaliation for constitutionally protected speech. FIRE says that would be true even if Khalil had expressed support for Hamas, because "philosophical support for a terrorist organization (let alone mere overlap of certain political beliefs) is fully protected by the First Amendment."
FIRE agrees with the president's sister that Section 1227(a)(4)(C)(i) is "unconstitutionally vague, especially if the only deportable activity is protected speech." But as Trump sees it, the chilling effect of the law's indeterminate scope is a feature, not a bug. "Any student that protests," he said during his 2024 campaign, "I throw them out of the country. You know, there are a lot of foreign students. As soon as they hear that, they're going to behave."
In an emailed statement on Friday, FIRE Legal Director Will Creeley summed up the stakes of the case: "Can expressing an opinion that the government doesn't like justify a green card holder's arrest, detention, and deportation? That's what this case comes down to—and it's a question the courts must answer. The government is holding up a provision of the Immigration and Nationality Act that purports to say 'yes.' But the principles enshrined in the First Amendment say 'no.'"
Giving "a single government official sweeping and nearly unchecked power to pick and choose individuals to deport based on beliefs alone, without alleging a single crime, crosses a line that should never be crossed in a free society," Creeley said. "The only 'crime' the government has offered [is] that Mahmoud Khalil expressed a disfavored political opinion. If that's a crime in America, every single one of us is guilty."
[This post has been updated with comments from Will Creeley.]
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Well, at least he's going to a place where a greater percentage of the population shares his views, hopefully.
We should have deported every Cuban in Florida that supported Elian Gonzalez’ kidnappers over his father…4500 crosses in Arlington Cemetery and $3 trillion flushed down the toilet and hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslims slaughtered because Cubans in Florida threw a tantrum in 2000 over the illegal alien with the reckless mother Elian Gonzalez.
Hey fag, cool story. Did the butch who pegs you tell you bit of bullshit?
I care about dead Muslims as much as I care about dead ants
‘A Ruling Against Mahmoud Khalil Highlights Marco Rubio's Vast Power To Deport People for Their Opinions’
Sullum and Reason still peddling that lie.
I’m waiting for them to go full BlueAnon and start raving about April 20th.
I doubt you’ll have to wait long. I’m sure the Reason staff are exited for Hitler’s birthday.
Hey attacking jews and making them miss class is free speech
His goats haven't gotten laid since he left Islamobamastan, so they will finally get a warm welcome from behind upon his return.
Do we have a copy of the actual written ruling yet, instead of just news reports about it? Do immigration law judges even publish PDF's of their rulings?
I looked, but didn’t find one yet.
It is due to his actions, not opinions. Why do you keep misrepresenting that fact?
Because, dude, like all of reality is just, like, ideas in our heads man, and the law can't contain ideas in our heads. If it did, that would, like, be a violation of The Constitution, man. I know this might seem kind of, like, vague to people who aren't similarly free of physical constraints, but trust me man. It's a higher plain of individual liberty than what everyone else is living on. Thomas Jefferson told me so when I spoke to him.
More seriously, I don't no how to read "An immigration judge's decision reinforces the constitutional argument against the law that the secretary of state is invoking." in any other way than "The chocolate ration is being increased from 30g to 20g."
As usual, Sullum is lying, I truly hope some Islamist or Tren de Aragua scumbags brutally slaughter him instead of some innocent American who voted to get rid of them.
That was kind of my reaction: His constitutional argument against the law was reinforced by losing? I'm sure the administration would be only too happy to reinforce all of their foe's constitutional arguments, then.
Democrats generally make UNconstitutional arguments.
Because the truth doesn’t support the open democrat open borders narrative. Plus, Sullum is generally inclined to lie and distort.
New acronym
Js:drlsfwskhs
Jacob sullum:didn't read the liar subhuman faggot who should kill him self.
If people think I'm being too harsh, sullum lies throughout the entire article. If I showed up to sullum house and said if you leave I will beat you, would sullum think that freedom of speech?
F* this guy. He is an anti-Semitic, anti-American rabble rouser. We are allowed to kick him out.
Disruptive asshat. Doesn't have to be particularly anti-Semitic or anti-American. Your right to free speech is not a right to shout other people down and disrupt their peaceable assembly. Hand him his jacket and toss him out on his face. In this case, 'out' just happens to be 'out of the country'.
He's also a faggot goat-fucking satan-worshiping towel-headed child-molester worshipper with a sandy butthole.
Probably shouldn’t have admitted you know the condition of his butthole.
Hon, I'm a *Libertarian*. The more rabble roused against this tyrannical government (and I'm referring to Demopublicans as well as Republicrats), the better.
But the constitutionality of the law and Rubio's use of it against Khalil is the focus of litigation in New Jersey, where U.S. District Judge Michael Farbiarz has blocked Khalil's deportation pending resolution of the case. Comans' decision reinforces Khalil's constitutional arguments by showing how easy it currently is to deport someone whose views offend the secretary of state.
Shorter JS. Judges that disagree with JS retarded views bad, activist judges who agree with JS good.
At no point has sullum ever realized that there are conditions attached to visas and green cards. These have never been deemed unconstitutional. No matter the feels of JS.
JS also ignores SCOTUS has already discussed the jurisdiction issues and demands they be violated to get to a friendly jurisdiction.
The government does not claim that Khalil, who was arrested by immigration agents in Manhattan on March 8 and transferred to a detention facility in Louisiana after a brief stop in New Jersey, has committed any crime. In fact, Rubio's memo acknowledges that the case against Khalil is based on "past, current, or expected beliefs, statements, or
associations that are otherwise lawful."
JS links to a statute, then institutes requirements not found in said statute. Because JS is retarded.
It is not hard to see why Maryanne Trump Barry, President Donald Trump's late sister, concluded that Section 1227(a)(4)(C)(i) is "unconstitutionally vague" in 1996. Barry, then a federal judge in New Jersey, noted that "the range of circumstances that could warrant deportation" under that provision "is virtually boundless."
It isn't vague, you just don't agree with who holds the decision making power. That doesn't make it vague.
You also keep quoting a rabid and public activist judges who hates her brother as an unbiased arbiter of the constitution.
You also keep quoting a rabid and public activist judges who hates her brother as an unbiased arbiter of the constitution.
He lied, cheated, and stole in order to get to where he got, even paid a prostitute. Palm greasing and nepotism top to bottom. She, obviously, studied hard, did well, and walked the straight and narrow path to the federal bench in the state of New Jers... LOL!!! I tried to get all the way through I really did.
Remember when Twitter and parts of Reason were sure that Kavanaugh was on the take for season tickets to Nationals games? Maryanne Trump Barry, LOL, GTFO and take Liz Cheney with you.
Trump wanted to pull Kavanaugh’s nomination…Bush called Senator Collins and ordered her to drag him across the finish line. Kavanaugh has stabbed Trump in the back multiple times because his loyalty is to the Bush family.
Confirmations go much more smoothly when you democrats don’t put up stupid, unbalanced women to create a public spectacle where they outright lie about the nominee.
Really, who gives a shit what Trump’s sister thought about anything? Outside of being pulled out of the same crotch, I see nothing notable about her.
The law grants the secretary of state "unrestrained power," Barry noted, "authoriz[ing] a heretofore unknown scope of executive enforcement power vis-a-vis the individual with utterly no standards provided to the Secretary of State or to the legal aliens subject to its provisions." It "provides absolutely no notice to aliens as to what is required of them," she added, and "represents a breathtaking departure" from "well established legislative precedent which commands deportation based on adjudications of defined impermissible conduct by the alien in the United States."
Oh this is a fun set of retarded assertions.
The law is restrained. It is restrained to visitors who agreed to abude by certain standards and whose status could be revoked at discretion of the executive.
There is no legislative precedent. In fact many of these literally state there is no judicial review. And in fact the legislation gives determination authory to the executive.
Again. You're arguing solely from your feels and you disagree. Not based on text.
Despite linking to the legislation JS chooses opinion. And opinions without actual citations attached.
Exactly. Everyone wants ‘due process’, which means Rubio decides. JS apparently doesn’t like due process.
Tough shit; get the law changed or STFU.
Even if Khalil openly praised Hamas or expressed hatred of Jews, those opinions would be protected by the First Amendment. But the lawsuit does not cite evidence that Khalil has done either of those things. The plaintiffs instead rely on guilt by association.
Did you even bother to look into the group he was leader of? They promoted Hamas. They promoted the destruction of the western world. They worked and had speakers from those connected to actual terrorism.
We already have laws on the books regarding material support of terrorist organizations.
The same criteria can be used to remove the security clearances and other priveleges from citizens. At the discretion of the executive.
And a visa and green cards are priveleges.
Sullum, you're retarded.
Did you even bother to look into the group he was leader of? They promoted Hamas. They promoted the destruction of the western world. They worked and had speakers from those connected to actual terrorism.
Even at that, you lead a protest to bring szechuan sauce back to McDonalds or that birds aren't real, fine. You harass students, take over buildings, and disrupt classes in order to bring back szechuan sauce or convince them birds aren't real... expect to get tossed out on your ear.
Even the most rabid J6 supporters have said, "OK, some of them were probably trespassing and should've been removed."
Wait. Birds are real?
It’s debatable.
Well Mao thought birds were capitalists, but whatever.
Birds are real but giant mechanical movie sharks are fictional.
You harass students, take over buildings, and disrupt classes in order to bring back szechuan sauce or convince them birds aren't real... expect to get tossed out on your ear.
The law says the person's activities must have "serious adverse policy consequences for the United States."
How does blocking some people from going to class create "serious adverse policy consequences for the United States"?
Sure the guy seems to be a colossal dick. But "serious adverse policy consequences for the United States" warranting expulsion from the country?
Come on.
Even the most rabid J6 supporters have said, "OK, some of them were probably trespassing and should've been removed."
Not that I've seen.
The group Khalil was a part of called foe the overthrow of western governments. They advocated violence.
(iii) any activity a purpose of which is the opposition to, or the control or overthrow of, the Government of the United States by force, violence, or other unlawful means,
The group worked with and had speak foreign terrorist groups. They openly supported a US designated terrorist group.
(B)Terrorist activities
Any alien who is described in subparagraph (B) or (F) of section 1182(a)(3) of this title is deportable.
(C)Foreign policy
(i)In general
An alien whose presence or activities in the United States the Secretary of State has reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States is deportable.
They took over buildings and assaulted students for religious reasons. Namely jews.
(E)Participated in the commission of severe violations of religious freedom
Any alien described in section 1182(a)(2)(G) of this title is deportable.
In his green card application he also ommitted groups he was a part of including former employment like UNRWA and groups supporting Hamas.
(H)Waiver authorized for certain misrepresentations
The provisions of this paragraph relating to the removal of aliens within the United States on the ground that they were inadmissible at the time of admission as aliens described in section 1182(a)(6)(C)(i) of this title, whether willful or innocent, may, in the discretion of the Attorney General, be waived for any alien (other than an alien described in paragraph (4)(D)) who--
Want to try again?
Please note whose determination is active in all these.
Wasted comment. Sarcbot will make the same bullshit claims in the next article. Or even downthread.
It is more foe those who choose not to be ignorant than sarc. Even if he knows something is a lie he will repeat it blindly if Psaki tells him to.
Of course the drunk thinks there is a right to keep students from going to class, the democrats have been doing that since the 1950s.
And they’ve been terrorizing Jews in general for decades before that.
Spreading propaganda for a terrorist organization seems to threaten "serious adverse policy consequences for the United States.", especially if done in mass, with the cooperation of a fifth column embedded in higher learning, media, and government employees.
What if the next administration decided to support Palestine and label Israel the aggressor? Would you find it acceptable to deport people for spreading pro-Israel propaganda? Using the reasoning being defended here, under that administration Jewish immigrants doing a pro-Israel sit-in would be deported.
Or is that somehow different.
That's the law. If a Democrat wants to declare the IDF a terrorist group. Good luck.
Wondering why you aren't saying hands are tied, congress had to make changes here. What's (D)ifferent?
Sarc is such a lying PoS.
Yeah, because Congress declares terrorists not the administration.
Then again I've got most of those dipshits on mute, so I don't know what they've said since I made the decision that I could happily live the rest of my life never again reading a word they write because I frankly don't care.
You don't mute people. Proved it the other day when you repeated something I told you lol.
And you care enough to cry like a little leftist bitch about it.
Is Sarc more of a bitch, or a cunt?
Please discuss.
I'm guessing his mother was a bitch, father a cunt, so he adopted both descriptors.
Or vice versa. I could see his mother being an overbearing man hater who emasculated him at every opportunity, and his father, of one was even in the picture, as total pussy who drank to tolerate Sarc’s mother. Or maybe she was also an abusive drunk, and beat the father. So perhaps the father was a battered masturbator, who cried in the dark and was afraid of his wife.
If the next administration decided to be friendly with Palestine and declare Israel to be the aggressor, then by the reasoning that the Trump defenders are celebrating right now, that administration could disappear Jewish immigrants off the street and send them "home", or maybe to an Iranian prison. In principle it would be no different. Thing is, Trump defenders have no principles.
Lol. Even uses the same fearmongering as democrats and MSNBC.
Yes. They can depoet at the discretion of the executive per the current law. Congress can change the law. That's what you've demanded for months.
It is funny how you demand all changes go through congress unless you don't agree with the current laws.
Because you're a fucking leftist hypocrite lol.
Why would they be sent to Iran unless they were iranian?
We sent Venezuelans to El Salvadore, and Afghanis to Cuba.
Venezuelans went to ES due to Maduro refusing repatriation flights. He only relented a week later.
Yeah, but sending people to a prison in a third country seems... IDK... maybe un-liberterian? No trial, no actual sentence, I mean deport everybody, but you gotta give a guy a trial before putting him in an El Salvadorean Supermax.
The Venezuelan government is free to make that argument to the El Salvadorans.
Deportation is at discretion of the executive. Based on the laws utilized. Visas aren't a right. Legal visa holders are denied entry all the time. The laws pertaining here are above.
Libertarianism doesn't require open borders. Especially allowing negative costs of welfare and societal disruption.
It is no different than a civil violation for a citizen, such as a DL suspension. There is no foreign national right to be in the US.
The foreign national agreed to provisions for a Visa or green card. Someone here on a visitors visa can't work as an example. This isn't difficult to comprehend.
Only dishonest filth like MAPedo Jeffy,Sarc, Sullum, and Fiona believe otherwise. And will make up any lie to get their way.
They’re all chaotic evil.
When my college roommate violated his student visa and was deported by Spain, the federales raided his apartment, put him in an unmarked van, and drove him to the border with Portugal, and kicked his ass out. They didn't fly him back to America.
Yeah I agree on that, deport them sure but put in a prison in a 3rd unrelated country? That seems crazy to me. If they were tried and found guilty of some particular crime outside of their immigration fraud, sure, but it doesn't seem like that ever happened either.
Let's send the jews to Iran.
“” Yes. They can depoet at the discretion of the executive per the current law. ””
I bet he didn’t expect that answer.
I don't read his stupid comments. At least not on purpose. Occasionally the browser logs me out. I'm trying to figure out why I still read your stupid comments.
His “stupid” comment was basically agreeing with your premise.
Correct me if I’m wrong Jesse.
So he's an antisemite as well as a xenophobe. Not surprised.
Wut?
Youre the one defending immigrants who cheer on Jewish raping and killing. Lol.
He’s just lying again. He doesn’t mute anyone.
I’m trying to figure out how you squared that circle?
No, seriously, how does agreeing with you that, under current visa/immigration law, Congress could declare the government of Israel a terrorist organization and President Harris could revoke Jewish students visas make him an anti-Semite?
Not trying to pick a fight, I’m genuinely curious about the logic you used to arrive at your conclusion.
Yes. For weeks now sarc has demanded congress as the supreme branch. Until they change the law, Rubio and Trump and beholden to the current terms of the law. Which is discretion by the SoS.
But sarc has this habit of switching answers depending on subject.
For example he demands law is king even for novel interpretations if used against J6 or Trump. In the next thread he will demand illegals are fine to violate US laws due to morality.
His only principle is hypocrisy.
Lol!
Hamas, not Palestinians. And Hamas has been declared a terrorist organization by Congress, while the State of Israel has not.
Pretty sure MS13 has not been declared a terrorist organization, yet Trump is deporting suspected members without due process as if they were citizens of a government with which we were in a state of war.
It looks very arbitrary to me. The targets could easily switch with a new administration. It is almost certain that they will.
And you know what? It will all be ok because Trump did it first.
I didn’t know Hamas were members of MS13.
What’s the odds you are conflating two different things?
Even MS13 was declared a foreign terrorist organization along with a few others. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Foreign Terrorist Organization Designations of Tren de Aragua, Mara Salvatrucha, Cartel de Sinaloa, Cartel de Jalisco Nueva Generacion, Carteles Unidos, Cartel del Noreste, Cartel del Golfo, and La Nueva Familia Michoacana
Sarc is as usual ignorant.
When are we just gonna say "fuck it" and call the niggers terrorists too?
Hey shrike!
Amazing how racist the left is but they feel the need to project their hatred on others.
It's like a sad, cruel, unfunny inversion of the "But not the Irish" bit from Blazing Saddles.
Johnson: Alright, we'll shoot, beat, and jail all the Deplorables who were in the Capitol on J6. We'll arrest and prosecute the Bitter Clingers attending Church services and Synagogue during COVID. We'll shadowban, deplatform, and jail the Trolls on social media... but we won't persecute the niggers!
[Dismissive handwaving and disagreeable headshakes from the crowd]
Historic First Black Sheriff: No deal!
Johnson: Aww, prairie shit... everybody!
Shrike really like black peoples, but only the prepubescent boys.
When democrats are in charge again.
Hat are the odds of him being blackout drunk at this point on a Friday night?
OMG are you really that obtuse? Terrorists does not equal roving bands of military age illegally within our borders; i.e. an invasion, which is the law Trump is using, not the one about terrorists.
Youre wrong retard. Lol.
Link:
https://www.aila.org/library/dos-90-fr-10030-2-20-25
Basically you're admitting to being an ignorant retard. Makes sense.
You were also ecstatic when the targets were the Proud Boys as you cheered even locking up someone not in d.c. for J6 for 20 years.
Oh, come on, he's so much worse than a retard.
Send them home? Yes.
Iranian prison? Not so much.
(No, I don’t think we should be sending anyone to another countries prison, unless they are wanted in that country and we have an extradition treaty with them.)
FIRE has usually been good on free speech and they are right in the speech aspect. But they are missing the action part, which is not protected.
This seems applicable since he joined and became a leader of an organization whose mission statement is to eradicate Western Civilization of which the US is a part.
(3) Security and related grounds
(A) In general
Any alien who a consular officer or the Attorney General knows, or has reasonable ground to believe, seeks to enter the United States to engage solely, principally, or incidentally in-
(i) any activity (I) to violate any law of the United States relating to espionage or sabotage or (II) to violate or evade any law prohibiting the export from the United States of goods, technology, or sensitive information,
(ii) any other unlawful activity, or
(iii) any activity a purpose of which is the opposition to, or the control or overthrow of, the Government of the United States by force, violence, or other unlawful means,
is inadmissible.
Vii seems applicable since that same organization explicitly supports terrorism to achieve their goal of eradicating Western Civilization.
(B) Terrorist activities
(i) In general
Any alien who-
(I) has engaged in a terrorist activity;
(II) a consular officer, the Attorney General, or the Secretary of Homeland Security knows, or has reasonable ground to believe, is engaged in or is likely to engage after entry in any terrorist activity (as defined in clause (iv));
(III) has, under circumstances indicating an intention to cause death or serious bodily harm, incited terrorist activity;
(IV) is a representative (as defined in clause (v)) of-
(aa) a terrorist organization (as defined in clause (vi)); or
(bb) a political, social, or other group that endorses or espouses terrorist activity;
(V) is a member of a terrorist organization described in subclause (I) or (II) of clause (vi);
(VI) is a member of a terrorist organization described in clause (vi)(III), unless the alien can demonstrate by clear and convincing evidence that the alien did not know, and should not reasonably have known, that the organization was a terrorist organization;
(VII) endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization;
Yet the inference that Khalil was in charge of those groups seems to be based mainly on his role as "the primary spokesperson and negotiator" for student protesters, a function that does not necessarily mean he agreed with all of the views they expressed.
Do we accept KKK leaders claiming they don't really believe in racist ideology? There's always a special set of rules for left wingers.
Those claims never worked for Nazi guards either.
Who were the ultimate left wingers.
He speaks for the group and yet isn't their advocate? Ok....
"...Mahmoud Khalil, a legal permanent resident who was targeted because of his prominent role in anti-Israel protests at Columbia University. That decision underlines the vast power that a federal law gives Secretary of State Marco Rubio to deem someone "subject to removal" based on the opinions he expresses."
Well, no. He was giving support to Hamas, a terrorist group, which is absolutely a legal reason to deport his sorry ass.
Giving support doesn't mean saying nice things. It means giving them money or material. Was he fundraising or sending them guns? If so I haven't heard of it.
No. It doesn't.
It can include communication as well. How are you so fucking ignorant?
Sending money to aid organizations that also benefit members of a terrorist organization has been found to constitute material support.
Giving contact information for someone to another individual has been charged as material support if it was given with the intention of helping that person travel abroad to marry someone in a terrorist organization.
Joining an FTO, or helping someone else to join an FTO, or agreeing or attempting to join an FTO.
Speech made in coordination with, or at the direction of, an FTO can potentially be charged as providing material support to a FTO.
Speech made in coordination with, or at the direction of, an FTO can potentially be charged as providing material support to a FTO.
Sharing a link to the FTO’s website where they raise money has been charged as attempted material support.
https://mlfa.org/material-support-of-terrorism-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-law/
The group Khalil was with has taken and shared support materials directly from Hamas, clearly falling under current definitions of material support.
Youre really proving your ignorance tonight.
"...How are you so fucking ignorant?..."
Why are you being so kind as to ask? He's a fucking slimy pile of TDS-addled lying shit.
No, dumb ass, giving support means giving support. An American citizen can say whatever dumbshit he wants, but somebody here as a guest needs to not support terrorists, even if that support is only verbal.
Rubio isn’t running any of this…this is all coming from the White House. SoS is obsolete thanks to WhatsApp and Zoom.
You’re such a dumbfuck. And a massive fag,
As this article from CityWatch LA relates, Trump's new US Attorney Essayli, for the Central District of California (i.e Los Angeles) has chosen to attack the city of Los Angeles due to its fraud, waste and abuse in their homeless funding.
https://tinyurl.com/33LA44 April 10, 2025, CityWatch, Trump Attacks Los Angeles, by Richard Lee Abrams
Those of us familiar with Los Angeles wonder why Trump's US Attorney made such an effete attack. In particular, why did he structured his Press Release as to exclude the 25 years of massive corruption at the LA City Council which operates as a criminal enterprise in open defiance of CA Penal Code 86, which bars voting trading among city council members.
The City is far more vulnerable for its Anti-Mexican and Anti-Jewish polices in support of WOKE DEI. A federal district court has already ruled that UCLA intentionally discriminated against Jewish students with their support of the pro Hamas encampment and their refusal to alone any Jew who supported the State of Israel to enter certain buildings or wall thru certain parts of campus. Mayor Bass and the city of Los Angeles, where 100% of UCLA is located, cooperated with the UCLA anti-Jewish policy and refused to allow the LAPD to stop the harassment of Jewish students. When Mayor bass went away for a few days, other powers in LA and nearby cities put to together t coalition of police (LAPD, Inglewood, Santa Monica, Calif Highway Patrol) to break up the pro Hamas encampment which reacted violently. Of course, the violent protestors complained with the law enforcement did not disband and run away in face of the student violence, but instead used due force to break up and remove the encampment.
People outside of LA may not realize that LA is 17% Jewish and since Oct 2023, it has experienced repeated attacks with questionable LAPD response with lame excuses such as they did not know the Pico-Robertson area of LA was Jewish.
In light of the other student visas which have been revoked, it seems that the Trump Administration could highlight for the nation, again, how WOKE DEI attacks American citizens in the name of Hamas.
Bye, Felicia
Progressives do not support you blocking their way at an abortion clinic. But they support blocking your way to go to class.
Cute. You really think those college students being blocked from going to class were Trumpian conservatives? Doubtful.
Thing is, you guys support physically disrupting people trying to get legal abortions because you don't like them, and you want to deport people who aren't fans of Israel because you don't like them.
No principles at all.
Why does it matter which candidate they support? They paid for collage and they have a right to attend class.
My principles do not change a with the political wind. Your access to a clinic should not be blocked. Your access to education you are paying for should not be blocked.
With respect to the case at hand, blocking is an action, not speech. This is why it is not a free speech issue.
"...Your access to a clinic should not be blocked..."
Especially AA meetings in the case of this lying pile of lefty shit.
When you say you guys who are you referring to? If you are trying to refer to me then you are lying by projection again as I have never supported blocking people’s access to abortion clinics.
Lol. What physical disruptions?
Ignorant and a fucking liar.
A Ruling Against Mahmoud Khalil Highlights The Secretary of State’s Vast Power To Convince a Court to Deport People for Their Actions.
That matches reality a little better.
We interrupt this constant Reason barrage of open borders rants to bring you news from Colorado, where Gov. McDreamy did something that libertarians might care about:
"Governor signs bill banning manufacture, limiting sale of many semiautomatic guns
"Gov. Jared Polis on Thursday signed into law one of the most restrictive gun regulations ever adopted in Colorado.
"Starting in August 2026, the manufacture, sale and purchase of certain semiautomatic firearms that can accept detachable ammunition magazines will be outlawed in Colorado.
"The banned weapons would only be available for purchase to anyone who is otherwise allowed to purchase a gun if they have a magazine with a maximum capacity of 15 rounds that is welded, epoxied or soldered on. Right now, those kinds of weapons are rarely made."
Uh, no shit. Which of course is the point.
Now, there is a bureaucratic path to buying an AR15. People can (1) apply for a "gun safety" certificate, (2) get vetted and approved by their county sheriff, (3) take a 12 hour, 2 day course, and (4) pass a test. At that point people have a 5 year eligibility window.
The law also has this tidbit (of course):
"There is a small carveout in the measure that allows for the banned weapons to be manufactured in Colorado for military, law enforcement, prison guards or an armored-vehicle business. Gunsmiths can also work on the weapons."
Now we can wait for the lawsuit. Even if the law is struck down, it wastes more of my state tax dollars and encourages the nanny gun banners.
Now back to the standard Reason open borders programming.
What doesn't this ban? Are you down to revolvers, some shotguns, and a few types of rifles? That is batshit insane and deserves an immediate smackdown from the SC.
Governor signs bill banning manufacture, limiting sale of many semiautomatic guns
It bans manufacture entirely and limits the sale regardless of country of manufacture, so it's not an evil, protectionist tariff, otherwise known as a tax, and is irrelevant to the one, single source of all individual liberty; global free trade.
Guess we have to wait until next week for Crossfire Hurricane coverage?
He was here at the pleasure of the executive branch of the government, not at the pleasure of steaming piles of TDS-addled shit like Sullum.
Angering those in the executive branch was not a good idea. They were not pleased; he is gone.
Let me add:
It was his obligation to make sure to avoid angering the executive branch, not the obligation of the executive branch to warn him of such.
Example: A childhood friend had a father who was a ham radio operator. We were talking about the various regs on operators and John (my friend), said that using profanity on the airwaves would get you a 'Show Cause' order.
You might assume that this was a request to 'show cause' why the operator was being investigated.
No. It was a 'show cause' why your license should not be revoked. You read the rules in applying for the license and have violated them; this is not an A1 issue.
Libertarians for making it illegal to kick out a guest who shits on your carpet!
JS;dr
I got half way. Was fucking terrible as usual.
Sullum’s articles should be considered sufficient evidence that he is severely delusamd a danger to himself and others.
On that basis, Sullum should be permanently committed to a maximum security facility for the criminally insane.
In El Salvador?
If Mother's Lament comes around tonight:
https://x.com/ill_Scholar/status/1910857879130628227
Aliens. I watch the history channel.
I'm no disciple, but I'm pretty sure this is touched on, if not specifically addressed, in The Book of Mormon.
To Deport People for Their Opinions
In Jakey Fakey Clown World, "being a terrorist and/or terrorist sympathizer" has now been reduced to "an opinion."
I'm not even going to read this article. I usually given even the biggest jackholes here the benefit of reading what they said before commenting on it - but I'm not going to with this one. I'm just going to ask one simple question:
Why does Jacob Sullum (or anyone siding with him) want Mahmoud Khalil in America?
And don't dodge the question. I'm not asking why he "should" be in America. I'm not asking for rationalizations of his conduct. I'm not asking why he "deserves" to be in America. I'm not asking why you think he has a "right" to be in America.
I'm asking what you - you personally - think is valuable about his presence in American and among Americans. Why do you WANT Khalil here?
I defy anyone here to answer that directly.
I think the answer you'd get is a vague statement about diversity being strength and everybody benefitting from more people coming here from elsewhere. I think it unlikely that he would say that the point of immigration is to benefit Americans. I highly doubt he would say that we have the right and responsibility to select for individuals who mesh with our culture, boost our economy, and carry on the political traditions established in the Constitution and founding of our country.
Reason is a blatantly ‘open borders at any cost’ publication. And Sullum its second greatest acolyte. Right behind Fiona.
Duh. To fuck with Trump.
>An immigration judge's decision reinforces the constitutional argument against the law that the secretary of state is invoking.
Um, no, it doesn't. By definition it does the opposite.
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it unconstitutional. Just because its constitutional doesn't make it moral.
Don't confuse the constitution with morality.
He's not being punished for his speech! He's being sent home for his speech and that's not protected!
Sullum is a slimy pile of shit entirely too addled by TDS to understand your comment.
Sullum needs to fuck off and die to the benefit of the world.
It's crazy how they argue that the rest of the world should be advantaged over US citizens.
Liberal self-hate.
Even a cursory scan of the Internet shows you stand pretty much alone on this. Time to acknowledge reality
And you Libertarians are becoming Anti-libertarians
Colorado's 'Libertarian' Governor Signs Massive Gun Control Measure
Your problem is: ABUSE OF WORDS
Abuse of Language, Abuse of Power
by Josef Pieper
Pieper argues that the abuse of language invariably leads to abuse of power, and unless language is used for communication in search of truth, it breaks down
Post-modernism. Language is flexible and poorly defined, but it will be used as a cudgel too only allow their singular perspective and solutions. It is the wielding of power through semantics to make argumentation pointless as there is no ability to agree on basic concepts. Reason engages is this type of thinking and argumentation. They never engage in the substance of arguments but instead stack strawmen to slay with redefined terms completely unmoored from their common understanding.
For some odd reason, the Ruger Mini 14 is not banned there. It is still unbanned throughout the United States.
The only logical explanation that it was proven to be completely harmless because B.A. Baracas, Face, and George Peppard proved during the 1980's that you could fire it relentlessly and not kill anyone.
Also welded by Marvin Heemeir in his bulldozer. Also welded by a couple of bad guys? who offed a couple of FBI agents in Florida who apparently harassed the wrong guys.
Note. I own one and really like it's operation. Supposedly more reliable than an AR. (I have no experience with AR's as I dislike the hard metal design)
Woke-ism is worse. They declare language means ONLY what they want, and when. And meanings are not universal, but asymmetrically favor liberals.
Viz: Liberal violence against others is speech, but speech against liberals is violence. But also, not speaking is violence.
Fuck them.
This is because Reason’s agenda is not based on actual law, and is very unpopular if they’re being honest about it.
No one wants it to cost a million dollars and take five years of court proceedings to kick an accomplice to terrorists out of the country. Except for radical democrats, like Reason.
You should try actual thought once in a while.
OMG!!!!
Why it's almost as-if they're just 'visitors' in someone else home..... /s
How can that possibly be!?!?!?! /s
Wrong place
Most people agree, especially during times when their ideology is not in power.
If I told you that the Supreme Court rejected, on the merits, a First Amendment challenge against a deportation based on the deportees' past membership in the Communist Party, would you believe me?
It's always been my understanding that, in the U.S., government at all levels is forbidden to take any adverse action against an individual because of opinions that person has expressed. A couple of weeks ago, an article on Reason quoted a Supreme Court opinion to that effect. But it was a concurring opinion, not the actual majority opinion. Has no majority opinion ever stated that doctrine without reservation? I don't know the answer. If one had, we would probably hear it quoted frequently.
At least it was only an immigration judge qho made the ruling discussed here. Is that an actual "Article III" judge, or just an administrative "judge" who is actually working for ICE or CBP? At any rate, I expect that this ruling will be overturned. But a few weeks ago, I would have said I was totally confident it would be. Today, I can say only that I am reasonably confident it will be, Which is a sad change in itself.
It's a stretch to call telling a guest that it's time to go home is an "adverse action".
No, he’s being deported because of ACTIKns he took, including promoting and coordinating pro Hamas activities that were illegal.
The ruling was correct. Period.
Just to highlight the bad writing and illogic.
They must have differing opinions but that is not logically the source of the legal ruling.
What is the difference between Youtube terminating accounts for expressing bigoted views, and the United States revoking green card for bigots?
None. Both involve individuals breaking the terms of contract, which involve speech. Reason would reflexively defer to "private businesses" in this matter, but there is no distinction.
A thought experiment - Khalil is a Euro white MAGA extremist and a spokesperson for the KKK. He negotiates with a school on their behalf as they occupy buildings and terrorize Mexican students.
Is this a person of "good moral character" required for green card? Objectively, no. It does not matter whether his cause is just.
Does this affect foreign policy? What do you think? What would be our relationship with Mexico be like if our nation and universities continued to admit bigots who hate their people, target their students, and pressure school officials to divest from Mexico?
Like any good right wing soldier, I detest identity / racial politics. But this is one of those rare moments where we should speak out against those who tolerate bigotry in the name of liberty. There is no case for a cretin like this to be our citizen. None. He is a threat to people of color like me, and it does not matter that I'm not Jewish. If I have to explain this to you, then you're part of the problem.
Sullum, who I presume is a white man, is certainly tone deaf in his position. He's better than this. We can impeach a president without a crime ever having occurred, but we can't deport someone without them having committed a crime? Seriously, make a case for him if he chanted "lynch all *iggers" on any school ground.
He's better than this.
Assumes facts not in evidence.
As I understand it, Rubio has made a finding that the guy's remarks are otherwise lawful. Maybe he didn't have to go that far, but he did.
Also, there's a difference between a green card holder - admitted to the USA for permanent residence - and a person merely *applying* for a visa, or who is here on a *temporary visa.* Those last types of people have no significant interest in remaining in the United States.
So if he hadn't gotten his green card (and I would like to know how he pulled *that* off), then I'd be all for kicking him out on vague foreign policy grounds. It he had no vested interest in staying in the U. S., he doesn't lose anything *legally* significant by getting thrown out.
But someone admitted for residence in the U. S., so long as they comply with standards of conduct *announced clearly in advance,* should have the basic nonpolitical rights of a resident.
There may be some preannounced standards he violated, but this foreign-policy law isn't one of them. It's a standard vague enough that it isn't suitable to use such standards to decide one's rights.
I realize that Trump didn't invent this law. It was passed in 1952 and tweaked in 1990. I can still see it being used to screen would-be visitors and kick out campus agitators. But applying the law to permanent residents is a constitutional bridge too far, in my view.