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Tariffs

All Trade is Reciprocal. Trump's Tariffs Interfere With That Reciprocity.

Governments should just get out of the way of free trade among consumers and businesses.

J.D. Tuccille | 4.4.2025 7:00 AM

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On a monitor, President Donald Trump announces "reciprocal tariffs" in a ceremony at the White House Rose Garden. In the background, a chart shows a steep decline as share prices fall. | Arne Dedert/dpa/picture-alliance/Newscom
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President Donald Trump's "Liberation Day" massive tax hikes—err, tariffs—are here, and the effects are already apparent in stock market selloffs, layoffs, and plant closures. We're also being asked to tolerate a little pain for the duration of the trade war with the entire planet until "reciprocal" tariffs close American trade deficits with other countries. But all this talk of allegedly fine-tuned tariffs intended to counter other countries' trading barriers is based on faulty assumptions: that every imbalance in commerce with other nations can be attributed to trade barriers, and that trade deficits are necessarily bad.

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A Lack of Reciprocity

"I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of America, find that underlying conditions, including a lack of reciprocity in our bilateral trade relationships, disparate tariff rates and non-tariff barriers, and U.S. trading partners' economic policies that suppress domestic wages and consumption, as indicated by large and persistent annual U.S. goods trade deficits, constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and economy of the United States," began the president's April 2 executive order invoking questionable unilateral executive authority to hike tariffs.

The recent report from the Office of the United States Trade Representative assessing international trade barriers looks not only at formal tariffs, but also at such impediments as weak intellectual property protection, "buy local" policies, discriminatory licensing requirements, subsidies, "sanitary" standards that exclude American goods, and much more. Many of these are easily recognizable as efforts to reduce competition to local companies. But they also seem very difficult to assess in terms of their impact. So, how did the White House come up with such specific numbers to assign to other countries' trade barriers so that it could "reciprocate" with fine-tuned tariffs of its own?

Well, according to the Office of the United States Trade Representative, "reciprocal tariffs are calculated as the tariff rate necessary to balance bilateral trade deficits between the U.S. and each of our trading partners. This calculation assumes that persistent trade deficits are due to a combination of tariff and non-tariff factors that prevent trade from balancing. Tariffs work through direct reductions of imports."

Wait. So, any imbalance in trade is attributed to trade barriers and tariffs are supposed to fix this by choking the flow of goods brought to the U.S.? Apparently so.

"The numbers [for tariffs by country] have been calculated by the Council of Economic Advisers…based on the concept that the trade deficit that we have with any given country is the sum of all unfair trade practices, the sum of all cheating," an unnamed White House official told The New York Post.

Flat-Earther Statistical Fabrication

That's quite a simplistic calculation to use as the basis of a global trade war. It's the sort of estimate that has economists scratching their heads and wishing they could punch somebody else's.

"The tariffs are much worse than we thought," Independent Institute economist Phil Magness commented on Facebook. "The CEA literally improvised them from a made up formula that confuses trade deficits for tariff reciprocity. The entire CEA should be fired and purged for this. It is not even 'economics' – it is flat earther statistical fabrication."

Worse, flat-earther humbug is being invoked to fix a problem that is really no problem at all.

"The gain from foreign trade is what we import," the late and great Milton Friedman commented during a lecture at Kansas State University in 1978. "What we export is a cost of getting those imports. And the proper objective for a nation as Adam Smith put it, is to arrange things so that we get as large a volume of imports as possible, for as small a volume of exports as possible."

Friedman added that "when people talk about a favorable balance of trade…it's taken to mean that we export more than we import. But from the point of our well-being, that's an unfavorable balance."

That is, trade deficits, by which we import more from a country than we export to it, are good.

The idea that exports are the cost of imports was emphasized by the Cato Institute's Michael Chapman in a piece he wrote last summer. He pointed out that trade isn't some state-level exchange in which one government mugs another. It takes place voluntarily between individuals and businesses.

All Trade Is Reciprocal

"In their criticism of global trade and imports, Vance and the GOP platform don't mention several important things: the American consumer, private property, and the freedom that people should enjoy to voluntarily exchange goods and services," he noted. "Some folks call this liberty and the pursuit of happiness: people freely choosing to buy and sell what they want, not what the government dictates."

And what do we call voluntary exchanges between willing participants? Well, as economist Roy Cordato wrote for the John Locke Foundation in 2018, "all trade, by definition, is reciprocal. It is best to think of a trade as simply two parties coming together for mutual gain with each of them giving up something that they possess for something that they want more."

So, in order to eliminate trade deficits with other nations that aren't really a problem to begin with, the Trump administration is hiking tariffs to raise the cost of imported goods so that Americans will buy less of them. That's interference in the free reciprocal exchanges chosen by consumers and businesses. And the price of that interference comes out of Americans' pockets. That's because, as the Tax Foundation's Alex Durante warns, tariffs are taxes that, while partially paid by foreign firms, are mostly a burden for people in the countries that impose them—especially as they rise to the heights we now see.

"If the US imposes a large enough tariff, the resulting reduction in economic activity would also entail a meaningful increase in unemployment," adds Durante.

This, of course is true of the tariffs and other barriers imposed by other governments as well—the ones to which President Trump claims to be responding and the new ones implemented as retaliation for the recent U.S. measures. But those are mostly a worry for their own people who suffer the consequences.

In a Newsweek column written back when American politicians fretted over a trade deficit with protectionist Japan, Milton Friedman cautioned: "We only increase the hurt to us—and also to them—by imposing additional restrictions in our turn." He urged the U.S. "to move unilaterally toward free trade" to minimize harm caused by tariffs and to maximize gains from trade.

If we want trade reciprocity, the government should get out of the way and let businesses and consumers engage in voluntary exchanges with each other and overseas partners as they please.

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  1. Incunabulum   1 year ago

    Yes government's should. But apparently it's only bad when the USG gets in the way. Other government's it's fine.

    1. Stupid Government Tricks   1 year ago

      Yes, dummy, you're beginning to get the picture. Their government, their country, their borders — their rules.

      No one likes other countries telling us what to do inside our country. Why do we get the right to tell them what to do inside their country?

      1. Strawmancasmic, Town Drunk and Gay for Booze   1 year ago

        Yet you only complain when we do it……..

        1. Stupid Government Tricks   1 year ago

          Gosh, why would that be? What does it hurt me when France raises their taxes on their citizens? Why is it any of my business who French voters elect and what their chosen government does to them?

          1. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

            It might concern you if you were trying to export your goods to French consumers, though, and the frogs in charge made your product more expensive. Likewise if you worked for a company trying to do so. There can be valid reasons for Americans to lodge that complaint.

            1. DesigNate   1 year ago

              This^

            2. Nelson   1 year ago

              “ It might concern you if you were trying to export your goods to French consumers”

              So don’t sell them to French consumers. Sell them to Scandinavian or African or Asian consumers. That is the point: tariffs will make less companies sell into your market because the cost of entry is too high, so they’ll just sell someplace else that isn’t so costly.

              Guess what happens to prices when you have less supply to meet increasing demand? It’s as basic as economic theory (and practice) gets.

      2. Incunabulum   1 year ago

        We're not telling them what to do.

        We're telling them what we're doing.

        Or is it other countries get to do what they want but we have to do what they want?

        1. Nelson   1 year ago

          No, we’re telling them exactly how we are going to screw over our own consumers.

          The weird “trade deficits are a bad thing” belief makes no sense. But I guess when you hire people based on loyalty, not competence, they go along with any erroneous belief you have.

    2. Wizzle Bizzle   1 year ago

      ^ x 1 million

      Tariffs are terrible policy. But I don't take any of the media critics seriously since they have had no problem with tariffs in my lifetime, so long as a Republican president wasn't the one putting them in place.

      Obama slaps a 35% tariff on Chinese tires? Great! Finally the adults are back in charge.

      Biden keeps every fucking one of Trump's first term tariffs in place? What a cognitive superstar who is totally not shitting his pants and watching Teletubbies.

      And most importantly, every other country can ratchet up tariffs on the US for decades, and that is definitely free tradesies. But God help us if we implement tariffs that are lower than theirs. One could try to pretend that Reason is trying to hold "their country" to a higher standard. But that would require any writer here to believe that borders exist, which they do not believe.

      Hey, Japan and South Korea: You are economic juggernauts and close allies. Lift the 25% tariff on the US.
      Hey, EU: You get to retire at 26 and sip Suze out of some French whore's shoe because we pay for your defense. Lift the 20% tariff on the US or get flattened by Russia. Or both. I don't really care anymore.
      Hey China: You are the greatest threat to the planet and you already committed a soft WWIII with the Wuhan Flu. Go ahead and keep your 34% tariff on the US. And then eat shit and die.
      Hey, rest of the world: Stop the trade war YOU all started and we'll get to something much closer to free trade.

      Eat a dick, Tuccille.

      1. TryLogic   1 year ago

        Amen. Golf clap...it's not exactly as cut and dried as the headline writing retards would like to pretend.

        1. TryLogic   1 year ago

          Here's an article that lists quite a few concessions the tariff costs have already prompted - https://www.ft.com/content/0431ef42-7386-4e19-935e-a06ae40f474c?segmentId=b385c2ad-87ed-d8ff-aaec-0f8435cd42d9

      2. Strawmancasmic, Town Drunk and Gay for Booze   1 year ago

        That sums it up nicely.

    3. Tankboy   1 year ago

      The way Reason has it, you'd think Bernie Sanders was a model Libertarian. When did Libertarians drift so far to the left? This one hasn't.

  2. Incunabulum   1 year ago

    Secondly, is Reason going to acknowledge the mistaken reporting they did about the 'innocent' people deported to El Salvador?

    1. Spiritus Mundi   1 year ago

      No, Boehm doubles down by equating it to Japanese internment.

    2. mad.casual   1 year ago

      Dude, they granted themselves amnesty on COVID and 'mostly peaceful'. They only acknowledge mistakes when they're worse than typos but not so egregious as to be "[Can we get a link to support my argument here?]" embarrassing.

      1. VULGAR MADMAN   1 year ago

        And they wonder why people hate them.

    3. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   1 year ago

      Can I get the cliff notes on that?

      1. Incunabulum   1 year ago

        Turns out the 'gay makeup artist' and the 'guy with a soccer club tattoo's were actually gang members.

        Because it turns out you can be in a gang and hold down a job, even raise a family, at the same time - as domestic gang members have been doing for generations.

  3. Thought about __ all my life   1 year ago

    Your argument is against you. What is free if Company X is solely in business because Country Y is backing them financially.
    And the national security angle, not just the horror of human organ harvesting but the fact that Biden was selling our entire energy security. Look at this and tell me what I am missing.

    FACT 1 the Bureau of Land Management opened 31 million acres of federal lands to SOLAR energy development

    FACT 2 China dominates the global solar supply chain, controlling over 80% of manufacturing capacity across all stages, from polysilicon to modules, and is the main exporter of assembled PVs.

  4. DaveH   1 year ago

    What's especially bizarre about this whole soap opera is that other countries, instead of reducing or zeroing out their own tariffs, are determined to inflict equivalent damage on their own people.

    Where are the adults in the room? Oh, right -- they've all been excluded.

    1. Social Justice is neither   1 year ago

      No, the vindictive socialists of other countries are seen as the adults for their vindictive actions and socialist policies...by the "libertarians" writing here.

      1. Wizzle Bizzle   1 year ago

        Yup.

  5. Spiritus Mundi   1 year ago

    Trump's Tariffs Interfere With That Reciprocity.

    Other nations' tariffs, not so much....

    1. LoneSnark   1 year ago

      You want us to focus on the splinter in their eye while Trump hurls a log into our eye.

      1. Spiritus Mundi   1 year ago

        How do you get other nations to remove their unilateral tariffs on US imports?

        1. Alberto Balsalm   1 year ago

          You don't. You certainly don't do it by destroying your own country. The depth of your stupidity is astounding. Instead of being a little whiny bitch complaining how everyone has mistreated you, why don't you try to fix things in this country to make starting businesses easier, eliminating unfair concessions to coprporations etc. No, instead, you parrot Trump WHINING about how unfair he's been treated. You stupid fuckers need to grow the fuck up before you completely ruin this country.;

          1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   1 year ago

            Here in which the left proudly states they don't actually want free trade.

            1. VULGAR MADMAN   1 year ago

              They’re “America last”.

            2. Alberto Balsalm   1 year ago

              Speaking of whiny man babies. Go read a new book you dumbfuck. Maybe someday you'll actually learn something. Unfortunately, probably not before you and your army of whiny man babies ruin the entire country.

              1. VULGAR MADMAN   1 year ago

                Read something besides Marx, you faggot leftist.

                1. Alberto Balsalm   1 year ago

                  so much cry. I hope you find a boyfriend soon.

                  1. VULGAR MADMAN   1 year ago

                    Your soy-fueled rage is amusing.

              2. Spiritus Mundi   1 year ago

                Tony read a book once. He is an expert on everything now. Just ask him.

          2. Bipedal Humanoid   1 year ago

            You sound angry.

            1. Alberto Balsalm   1 year ago

              If you're not angry, you're not paying attention

              1. Incunabulum   1 year ago

                You weren't paying attention for the last 50 years then.

          3. Strawmancasmic, Town Drunk and Gay for Booze   1 year ago

            Hey fag, no one gives a shit what you think. You’re just another retarded international socialist that voted for Harris.

          4. One-Punch_Man   1 year ago

            Show us where the orange man touched you. You do realize it's your team on the left that stops all the things you are complaining about (Which Trump did run on. It's only been 100 days).

            Go look at that great right winger Elza Klein explaining to Jon Steward the 14 steps it takes to get something done under Build, Back, Better bill

          5. Social Justice is neither   1 year ago

            Ah, so dumb commies like you think fighting back against a bully is the real problem, got it. Tells me everything we need to know about stupid cunts like you.

      2. DesigNate   1 year ago

        If other countries tariffs are in fact higher than even the ones Trump is imposing, then it’s more like “focus on the log in their eye rather than worrying about the splinter in ours”.

      3. Tankboy   1 year ago

        It's a bargaining position. Trump doesn't want to tell other countries to equalize trade, he wants them to make him an offer of what they're prepared to do. Hey, maybe it'll be acceptable. Maybe they'll need to try again. We are the #1 economy, we're dealing from strength.

        1. Nelson   1 year ago

          What is the end game?

          1) Is it protecting our manufacturing by making it expensive enough to import something that the US version will be the same price (a higher price than now, but the same)? That requires high tariffs to be basically permanent, otherwise the jobs go back where the production costs are much lower.

          2) Is it forcing everyone to have zero tariffs? That would require high tariffs for a short time, until the other countries dropped their tariffs, at which point our tariffs would go to zero, too. However, manufacturing and low-skill jobs would continue to leave America and flow to the countries with the best high quality/low cost offering. On a macro level, this would be the most free version of free trade. It would be more costly, since there would be no revenue generated to pay for the customs inspections and various other services and personnel necessary to process imported goods. The government would bear all of that cost.

          Note that if you want #1 above, you can’t have #2 as well. They are mutually exclusive.

          3) Is it to generate revenue for the government? If so, the tariff rates would have to be low enough that they wouldn’t cause companies to stop selling their products here, but high enough to generate a relevant amount of revenue. Maybe 2% or so would probably be about the sweet spot.

          Note that if you want #3, you can’t have #2 or #1. They are mutually exclusive.

          4) Is it to eliminate our trade deficits with other countries? If so, tariffs can’t accomplish this and the decision-makers should be aware that it is impossible.

          Our trade deficits exist because we are a wealthy nation, so we have the money necessary to buy things. Those who sell things prefer to be in markets where people have the money necessary to buy their things. And we have the money necessary to buy things because we trade with others. It’s not rocket science.

          5) Is it to stick it to other countries that put tariffs on our goods? Why? They aren’t hurting us, they’re hurting themselves. If they put huge tariffs on American goods, American companies won’t sell there. If you assume that American goods are desirable (which they are), then the only people who lose are the citizens who want American goods, but can’t get them. This is grievance, which is never a good basis for policy.

          So what is it you want to get at the end of this process? If it’s #4 or #5, you are doomed to disappointment because tariffs can’t get what you want. If it is either #1, #2, or #3, you have to choose one because you can’t simultaneously have temporary high tariffs that go to zero, permanent high tariffs, and permanent small tariffs at the same time. You have to choose one, depending on what you want to accomplish.

    2. Quicktown Brix   1 year ago

      Exactly. It's just like with back pain. Medical professionals keep suggesting to stop lifting heavy things, but never suggest to reduce gravity.

      1. Spiritus Mundi   1 year ago

        You analogy brings up something you probably didn't mean to, ignore the cause and avoid the consequence has been bad policy for a long time.

        1. Quicktown Brix   1 year ago

          True, but it's still better than find a scapegoat and increase the consequences.

          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   1 year ago

            Or to invent a strawman to justify your TDS, steaming pile of shit.

            1. Alberto Balsalm   1 year ago

              Looks like Sevo's here early to belch out stupidity from the echo chamber of his own asshole.

              1. VULGAR MADMAN   1 year ago

                Reason should give you a job writing bullshit articles for this filthy rag.

                1. Alberto Balsalm   1 year ago

                  And yet you come here everyday,to whine and cry. Go fuck yourself.

                  1. VULGAR MADMAN   1 year ago

                    It’s fun to make fun of dumb faggots who write complete bullshit.
                    It’s even more fun laugh at the simpletons who like it.

                  2. Spiritus Mundi   1 year ago

                    Poor sarc.

  6. TJJ2000   1 year ago

    "Governments should just get out of the way of free trade among consumers and businesses."

    Ironically EXACTLY what Trump campaigned on and is DOING.

    Oh whoops. Domestic isn't part of Reason-Magazines "My favorite pet-project is special-er game" ... so I guess none of the Tax-Cutting and Deregulation counts.

    Reason should just change all its Sub-Titles too....
    "Foreigners FIRST!"

    1. Quicktown Brix   1 year ago

      "Governments should just get out of the way of free trade among consumers and businesses." Ironically EXACTLY what Trump campaigned on and is DOING.

      Yeah. Just read that again. I don't need to say anything.

  7. Quicktown Brix   1 year ago

    We're also being asked to tolerate a little pain for the duration of the trade war with the entire planet until "reciprocal" tariffs close American trade deficits with other countries.

    Two weeks to flatten the economy.

    1. VULGAR MADMAN   1 year ago

      Stay tuned… faggot.

  8. Widhalm19   1 year ago

    Here's a thought for all you screeching Leftists pretending to be Libertarians. Since highly-urbanized Leftists DO NOT produce anything save chaos and destruction, you cannot possibly understand the foundation of ALL civilized cultures is based on agriculture, mining and manufacturing. That's right, your basket of Trader Joe organics have to be PRODUCED. No production - no civilization. In these United States, we've lost tremendous capacity of our manufacturing base thanks to idiots in Washington D.C. While Free Trade is the goal, a more Fair trade benefits everyone in the long-term. If other nations impose tariffs on US made goods the US should do likewise otherwise it reduces our ability to PRODUCE goods. Here's an idea for you ignorant blue-haired nincompoops ... stop buying $5 a cup coffee and learn to grow a garden.

    1. Quicktown Brix   1 year ago

      Humans have been industrialized for only a tiny fraction of our "history". Even agriculture is in it's infancy. We're progressing technologically at hyper speed. We're guinea pigs going in to the unknown. 150 years ago, people were saying the same thing about industry moving people off farms, like we'd starve or something. Clearly that was wrong. I'm guessing the same holds for manufacturing.

      1. BYODB   1 year ago

        Agriculture is probably the oldest known industry of humanity, so if it's in it's 'infancy' I'd be curious what exactly you mean by that. Are you comparing to the stone age or something?

        Also, human's still farm despite all that technology you mention. Fewer of them, sure, but it doesn't really make sense that you'd bring it up either. It's a non-sequitur.

        The idea that at some point in the future humanity will live in a post scarcity world is...improbable at best.

        1. Quicktown Brix   1 year ago

          Agriculture is probably the oldest known industry of humanity, so if it's in it's 'infancy' I'd be curious what exactly you mean by that. Are you comparing to the stone age or something?

          Yes, the stone age, etc. If you're a bible literalist we can bypass this discussion, but what I mean is that homo sapiens are 1st found in the fossil record around 300,000 years ago and agriculture is thought to have started around 12,000 years ago. So we've been farming for only about 4% of our existence.

          human's still farm despite all that technology you mention. Fewer of them, sure, but it doesn't really make sense that you'd bring it up either. It's a non-sequitur.

          This is exactly my point. Less people work in farming because of technology. Less people can work in manufacturing too without necessarily causing some sort of collapse. For other nations much food is imported. It's not really a big deal in a global economy, especially if you're the biggest superpower.

          1. BYODB   1 year ago

            Gosh, how utterly trite that you'd cite the stone age as 'industry'.

            However, it remains true that a post scarcity society will probably never exist so just throwing out 'technology changes' is an absurd statement in regards to things like manufacturing. We will always need to manufacture things unless, amusingly, we go back to the stone age. How we do it may change, but the requirement that we do it does not.

            1. Quicktown Brix   1 year ago

              Gosh, how utterly trite that you'd cite the stone age as 'industry'.

              You read words that aren't there and skip the ones that are there. But the condescension is a nice touch.

            2. Quicktown Brix   1 year ago

              How we do it may change, but the requirement that we do it does not.

              Which was exactly my point

      2. Strawmancasmic, Town Drunk and Gay for Booze   1 year ago

        So basically you just said nothing other than technology has advanced.

        No shit. Maybe now you can explain to us the finer points of water being wet.

        1. Quicktown Brix   1 year ago

          Times change and their changing ever faster. What was true yesterday may not apply tomorrow.

          1. DesigNate   1 year ago

            But then, Isn’t it possible that the world has fundamentally changed since Ricardo first put forward his thoughts on comparative advantage, and global international trade is just a tad more complicated than in was in the late 18th, early 19th century?

            1. Quicktown Brix   1 year ago

              It's possible.

              I don't think there's much evidence that it has though; certainly not enough to justify risking so much of all of the world's wealth and mandating wealth transfers in the US. Economic principles seem unlikely to change unlike agriculture/manufacturing/technology which is clearly rapidly changing.

              Even if there was such evidence, however, it is still a violation of the NAP...not that that would stop anyone.

  9. mad.casual   1 year ago

    Dear Reason,

    Does the covert, illegal financing of COVID research *and* the millions of people the pandemic killed *and* the losses from the resulting lockdowns *and* the losses from the resulting supply chain collapse *and* the losses from the funding of the '100% safe and effective with no downsides' vaccine *and* the losses from it's propaganda and censorship advertising campaign *and* the indirect loss of life from delayed surgeries and forcing people and children to be sedentary *and* the chilling effect that virtually no one at any level of government has been called out and pilloried by the media on virtually any of it... does it all show up as a trade surplus or a deficit? Or is it all just part of the cost that goes into making a pencil that nobody, anywhere truly understands? At least until Trump enacts some tariffs and then everybody's sure it will set all of civilization back 50-60 yrs.

    Go fuck yourselves,
    mad.casual

  10. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   1 year ago

    Yep, tariffs are not good for trade, but they are just fine UNLESS THEY ARE INSTITUTED BY TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Fuck off and die, Tuccille. You had 4 years to gripe about tariffs when the country was being run by some two-bit secretary with access to the signature machine and you said absolutely nothing, you TDS-addled steaming pile of shit.
    Fuck off and die.

    1. Alberto Balsalm   1 year ago

      No you stupid fucker. Tarrifs against EVERY NATION on Earth is profoundly stupid. Even countries who are very fair with us. Even you should be smart enough to figure this out, you stupid cocksucker.

      1. VULGAR MADMAN   1 year ago

        You’re a goddamn liar. Fuck you.

      2. TJJ2000   1 year ago

        No you stupid fucker. Taxes against EVERY PERSON on Earth is profoundly stupid. Even people who are very fair with us. Even you should be smart enough to figure this out, you stupid cocksucker.

        Did you have some way of explaining how 'importers' getting ZERO-Taxes (Tariffs) is "very fair" with 'us' domestic manufacturers getting an 85%+ Tax?

        1. Alberto Balsalm   1 year ago

          Because what a country does within it's own borders is THEIR business, you retard. If they don't want to buy your shit, it's a bummer, but they are not treating you unfairly you whiny fucking idiot. You dumbfucks are flirting with depression 2.0.

          1. VULGAR MADMAN   1 year ago

            So only other countries have sovereignty, got it.
            Also, go fuck yourself.

            1. Alberto Balsalm   1 year ago

              How is some other country not wanting to buy your shit, or taxing their own people for your shit threatening your sovereignty, you whiny dumbfuck?

              1. TJJ2000   1 year ago

                That's was your POINT all along.
                You didn't just move the goal-post you literally switched the goal-posts.

                "How is the USA not wanting to buy foreign shit, or taxing their own people for your foreign shit threatening your sovereignty"

                You're just chasing your own tail trying to say FOREIGNERS FIRST!

                1. Alberto Balsalm   1 year ago

                  I see you've been reading from Jesse's book

          2. TJJ2000   1 year ago

            You didn't explain anything at all ... You just claimed it has to be OUR business to Tax Domestic Manufacturing to death while giving Importers a free-ride (ZERO-Tax).

      3. Strawmancasmic, Town Drunk and Gay for Booze   1 year ago

        “Even countries who are very fair with us”

        Hey fag, name a few. That are being ‘fair’ with us.

  11. Vesicant   1 year ago

    Me not buying a product from country X is interfering with reciprocity. Therefore, according to 'reason', I should be forced to buy every product in the universe.

    1. Alberto Balsalm   1 year ago

      You're giving mad.casual a run for his money in the non-sequitur olympics. Needs more words.

  12. Bipedal Humanoid   1 year ago
  13. Torguud   1 year ago

    Tariffs raises prices, and thus funds in state and local governments are also increased through their taxes. This is how Trump will sell this to the insiders.

    1. TJJ2000   1 year ago

      Now explain the Tax-Cuts.

  14. Bipedal Humanoid   1 year ago

    "Some folks call this liberty and the pursuit of happiness: people freely choosing to buy and sell what they want, not what the government dictates."

    I must have missed the part where these tariffs prohibit Americans from buying certain products.

    1. One-Punch_Man   1 year ago

      I knew my stuff from TEMU! 🙂

  15. Bipedal Humanoid   1 year ago

    Start calling it fair trade again (remember that phrase?) and not free trade and Trump's motivations become clearer to a reasonable person.

    Also, Alberto is very angry. Needs a $7 soy latte refill.

  16. kfs   1 year ago

    I believe in free trade; I think fair would be better. Let's give him a chance with this and see if it pans out. I just hope it doesn't hurt chance for a fourth term!

    1. Alberto Balsalm   1 year ago

      Yes. Fair trade is the proper term. You should let Jesse borrow your book. Tarrifs can be effectively used to broker fair trade. The way Trump is wielding them is reckless and potentially catastrophic. Time will tell.

  17. One-Punch_Man   1 year ago

    China 68% tariff
    Trump - we'll put half 34% on your goods
    China - nooo, we'll add 34% on top of 68%

    Reason - Trump bad man!

    I agree with Reason that tariff's hurt customers down the line. But they have never spoken out about other country using tariff's to hurt American exports. You know when an I phone comes out, you see Chinese buying boxes of them. They take them back to China because it's cheaper than importing.

    Reason also leaves out history. The reason US tariffs are low is go back to end of WWII. Europe/Asia were a mess/destroyed. US had low tariffs to help them rebuild (Marshall Plan). It has just been left at those rates.

    Why is it bad for the US to protect it's self interest but not bad when the rest of the world. Yes, there will be pain for a while, but the long term game we'll see.

  18. One-Punch_Man   1 year ago

    Side question - Is Trump's goal to get rid of individual income tax (Not corporate)

    Since a tariff is basically a consumption tax, which have Shrike/Jeff hit the rich harder, Basically, a VAT/flat tax end around Congress fighting?

  19. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    Et tu, Tuccille?

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