The Senate Just Passed Rand Paul's Bill To Block Trump's Tariffs on Canada
The bill faces an uncertain future, but it is a faint glimmer of hope for those hoping to limit executive power over trade.

Just hours after President Donald Trump announced massive new tariffs on nearly all imports to the United States, a bipartisan group of senators made the first push to stop the most nonsensical part of Trump's global trade war.
With a 51–48 vote, the Senate approved a resolution to block Trump's tariffs on imports from Canada, which he imposed by declaring an economic emergency in early February. The measure to cancel that emergency declaration, sponsored by Sens. Tim Kaine (D–Va.) and Rand Paul (R–Ky.), faces an uncertain future in the Republican-controlled House and a near-certain veto if it reaches Trump's desk—but it also represents a small glimmer of hope, as it is the the first serious attempt by Congress at limiting the president's ability to smash free trade.
Paul was joined by three other Republicans—former Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R–Ky.), as well as Sens. Susan Collins (R–Maine) and Lisa Murkowski (R–Alaska)—and nearly all Democrats in voting to end the economic emergency.
In remarks on the Senate floor Wednesday afternoon, Paul outlined the many reasons for America to avoid a trade war with Canada. Perhaps the most important is also the most straightforward.
"We're not at war with Canada," Paul said. "They're an ally that buys more of our stuff than almost any other country in the world."
Indeed, it is quite insane to believe that the $400 billion in goods that crossed into America last year from its northern neighbor are some sort of threat. It is simply untrue that those imports constitute an emergency of some sort that demands dramatic executive action. And it's just silly to think that higher taxes on those imports will improve life on either side of the border.
Even so, the resolution divided Republicans and passed despite some strong criticism that Trump delivered on social media in advance of the vote. In a post on Tuesday night, Trump accused Kaine of trying to block "our critical Tariffs on deadly Fentanyl."
In remarks on the Senate floor, Paul mocked the idea that drug dealers would pay tariffs in the first place. He also stressed the economic damage that tariffs are likely to cause for American families, businesses, farmers, and more. He pointed to the fact that the Trump administration bailed out farmers in the wake of the 2018 tariffs and called that "an acknowledgement" that tariffs create costs for Americans. He pointed to estimates showing that tariffs will increase the cost of homes, cars, and many consumer goods.
"Are we going to have to bail out the car companies too? Are we going to have to bail out everybody who's going to be hurt by these tariffs? It's not a good idea," he said. "Despite arguments to the contrary, Americans know tariffs are a tax they are going to have to pay."
Getting the resolution through the House will be a challenge, thanks to some changes that House Republicans pushed through last month. A bill to undo a presidentially declared national emergency is supposed to be able to be brought directly to the House floor, but new rules adopted last month will force the Senate-passed resolution to take the scenic route through the House's committee process—a journey it is highly unlikely to complete anytime soon.
McConnell's decision to vote for the resolution was key to its passage. As Politico noted when it broke the news that McConnell would vote for the resolution, his defection from Trump's tariff orthodoxy is not necessarily a surprise. He authored a recent op-ed in the Louisville Courier-Journal warning that Kentucky "can't afford the high cost of Trump's tariffs." Even so, the former majority leader's willingness to openly defy the president is a significant move—and one that may offer some political cover to other Republicans to do the same.
It's unlikely that will be enough to undo Trump's chaotic and self-destructive trade war. Still, it's something.
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The Senate passed a bill? I thought we relied 100% on Judges to do this work? What's going on, it's like we've entered this weird through-the-looking-glass world where politics is finally doing what it's supposed to.
Please remind me why we're mad at Canada.
Because we have a president who isn’t a cuck.
Because we have a President who is a blithering idiot.
Biden isn’t president anymore, fuck bag.
Hey fag, Biden isn’t president anymore. He’s sitting somewhere drooling and staring off into space. Like most democrats.
Their beady little eyes? And Bryan Adams?
The way they sex up the womens and their excuse me's and their dirty sexy off market car parts plus the fact their farts smell of texas oil and their aluminium smells of quebecois strippers, sorry.
Thanks. I came to say exactly that. But I'm just not the wordsmith you are.
Quebecois strippers smell like stolen money and provincial government grift. Quebecois breathe smells like Liberal party cock however, which in turn smells like brutalized Albertan anus.
Don’t forget the way their heads flap back and forth. Taint natural.
If tariffs are the worst thing in the world, why do we accept Canadian tariffs up to 200%, much higher than US tariffs?
Why have multiple Canadian politicians been linked to Chinese fentanyl labs?
Q. Why have you learned nothing about tariffs?
A. Because you don't dare say anything mean about Trump.
Lol. I knew you'd come in with a stupid assertion.
Ontario official announced Canada was ready to agree to NO TARIFFS due to trumps actions.
Apparently you think disparate tariffs between countries is better than NO TARIFFS between them.
Because you refuse to learn, refuse to think, and have a religious outlook towards a failed theory.
Fucking hilarious you're trying to crow about this. Fucking. Hilarious.
I've been calling for this type of reciprocity for over a fucking decade. Before trump. You've literally turned into sarc dumbfuck. You're broken. You're wrong. Please don't become an alcoholic like sarc. You already adopted his utter dishonesty. Stay sober buddy.
Here's a good example of how utterly ignorant you are. Tell me, O Wise One, what reciprocal tariffs are appropriate for these three countries?
It's a real simple question which you cannot answer.
Country A sells $1B of spoons to Country B.
Country B sells $1B of knives to Country C.
Country C sells $1B of forks to Country A.
They've all got trade deficits and credits with each other. Trade deficits with single countries in a world full of trading partners are a meaningless fiction.
Overall trade deficits merely measure foreign investment, and Trump's an ignoramus for thinking he can raise foreign investments while lowering trade deficits, since they are the same value with opposite signs.
I don't think the answer to that question is in the book that Jesse read.
He fag, no one really gives a fuck what you think. You’re just a Neo Marxist nod troll.
No where in my post do I mention trade imbalance or deficits.
Like most sarc like beings he is changing the subject because he doesn't understand what I've said.
Like you he is dishonest.
Deficits do not measure foreign investment. They measure money sent abroad, in return for goods and services.
The current account must balance the deficit, but on any given year only about a third of that balance is what we would call "foreign investment" (i.e. the purchase of bonds or direct investment in corporations.) The rest is purchase of assets and treasuries as well as putting money in money markets.
You keep intentionally changing the subject to a discussion I'm not having. One of trade deficits. It is an argument I'm not making as it is one I am not concerned with. My argument is trade barriers, not deficits.
This is the third time you've now inserted an argument I'm not making for the one I am making. Because you've become a dishonest piece of shit.
I could give two shits if some9ne has a deficit in an actual free market.
Do you find it odd you rely on bullshit like this instead of making an actual intelligent argument?
Again you're defending a system that has tariffs while fighting against zero tariffs lol.
"If tariffs are the worst thing in the world, why do we accept Canadian tariffs up to 200%, much higher than US tariffs?"
- Those 200% tariffs apply only to specific products under certain conditions. They are not at all comparable to what the U.S. is doing right now.
- These tariffs comply with the treaties Canada has signed with the US including those signed under the Trump administration.
- The fact that Canada does something is not, in itself, a valid justification for the U.S. to do the same. Are you really saying that the USA should be more like Canada ?
- Whether or not Trump's tariffs are beneficial, the fact that they are imposed under the pretense of a non-existent emergency is troubling from a rule-of-law perspective. Tariffs are taxes, and the power to levy taxes belongs to Congress, not the president. While Congress can delegate authority to the president in cases of genuine emergency, it cannot (and did not) hand over a blank check that allows the president to completely bypass congressional oversight.
- Trump don't even really claim to support free trade. This idea that he only push tarrifs to end tarrifs is baseless.
They call sliced ham bacon. No seriously. It's misinformation and disinformation and outright fraud. Good luck getting a double bacon and cheese burger up there. You don't what you're gonna get.
Not kosher. I am Jewish
Their leader wore blackface.
Not cool bruh. Not cool.
Their shitty tariffs? Their lack of border enforcement?
Their geese are pooping on Trump-owned golf courses.
WHEN will sanity return to "Team R" politicians in the bulk, instead of just to a few sensible outliers? Fucking TRUMP, that asshole, has RUINED "Team R"! May He PervFectly BURN in His PervFected trade-war Hell!!! (Metaphorical trade-war Hell, that is... No need to send the Fed-goons to send me to a jail-Hell in El Salvador, now! I'm SNOT threatening Dear Orange DickTator!)
C'mon, Rand, Tariffs aren't mere talismans!
Bipartisan: “A bunch of leftist clowns “
Trump should pull his SS protection, surely his charming lefty neighbors wouldn’t do anything.
first serious attempt by Congress at limiting the president's ability to smash free trade.
Unilateral trade is not free trade.
Imagine making this claim the same day Canada said they would go to zero tariffs if the US did too in response.
The deep state will always defend itself.
They will continue to double down on decades of failed economic theory because they refuse to admit they were ever wrong.
"decades of failed economic theory" that made the US the richest nation on the planet. Got it.
Hey fag, that same failed economic theory that out us $36 trillion in debt.
“ failed economic theory”
Capitalism is a failed economic theory? Free trade is a failed economic theory? The US as the richest country in the world is because of those theories. But apparently price increases for consumers is a good thing and less trade will make America richer? Man, you are ignorant.
The bumper sticker crew remains retarded. Unilateral trade isn't the sole form of capitalism you retarded fuck. Managed trade isn't the sole form of capitalism you retarded fuck.
Why are you people so fucking retarded.
The US is 36T in debt with an ever rising welfare state snd government dependence because of globalist offshoring of jobs and production retard.
“ The US is 36T in debt”
That has nothing to do with tariffs. Tariffs didn’t create it and tariffs won’t fix it. Only a balanced budget will.
“ because of globalist offshoring of jobs and production”
And what do you imagine will happen if all tariffs disappear? The exact same thing.
Globalism is a thing because labor costs are a major part of production costs and US labor is really expensive because our standard of living is so high. Our labor costs 10x as much as places like India and Vietnam, with similar product quality. There is no way that a US worker would take a job that paid that. They couldn’t afford to.
The anti-globalist “bring our manufacturing jobs back” fools are economically ignorant. Just like you can’t avoid supply and demand, you can’t avoid labor costs.
And that means the US isn’t a place to make mass produced products like textiles or formed plastic or anything else with no IP value. It’s unskilled labor that can be done just as well by someone making $2.50 an hour in India as someone making $25 an hour in America.
Advanced products and valuable IP is best produced in more developed countries due to the higher skills and stronger protections they have, but even then US labor is expensive.
So the only way those jobs come back is if the tariffs cover the difference in labor costs and remain in place indefinitely. That will raise the price of those products, costing most consumers (who didn’t get any benefit, since they already had a job) a lot more and giving a small number of people a job they didn’t have before. Most people lose.
Free trade will never be no-tariff. That’s a strawman. But free trade, which is what we have when there isn’t a trade war, is the best and most efficient way to produce desired goods for the lowest cost (which means the lowest price to consumers). Thinking that such fundamental economics can be changed by tariffs is fiscal and economically ignorant.
Yeah. The Doug Ford statement isn’t exactly congruent with this. I like Rand and still like him a lot. I might have gone hands off with Canada or sold the details better. Trump already got commitments for better border enforcement from Canada and Mexico. We will see. This unlikely goes anywhere in the House.
Also would just be vetoed. Happened under Biden often. They would need more than 51 to override it. So this is solely posturing.
It's the same shit as soros style progressive criminal law. They keep trying the same reformative shit and it doesn't work. Theft grew immensely when California stopped actually arresting thieves.
Markets won't reform by ignoring bad actors. May as well call unilateral trade as practiced reformative economics.
"Markets won't reform by ignoring bad actors."
And when the only weapon you have is tariffs, it shows how utterly devoid of imagination you are.
Let's rephrase that.
"Criminals won't reform by ignoring bad actors."
But shooting criminals is hardly the only way of not ignoring bad actors. Besides locking them up, fining them, putting them in stocks or pillories and egging them, you can also put locks on your doors, add security cameras to scare them off, get a dog.
Your imagination sucks.
What happens? Canada announcing they are open to NO TARIFFS dumbass. Along with 5 other countries so far. With others reducing the tariffs on US goods. All of this is terrible right?!?
You don't believe in a free market apparently. Lol.
God damn you're a fucking fool.
Look who is on your side buddy. The worst liberals here. Sarc, Jeff, Molly, etc. Nice crowd you've joined.
I even offered you and gave you reading about this concept and you ignored it. Lol.
Look who is on your side buddy.
The sad part is, Jesse actually thinks this is a convincing argument. That a person's claim must be wrong because the "wrong people" are saying it.
You have never answered a single question of mine concerning tariffs. Never. You have always followed the sarc playbook by asking unrelated questions in turn. And you cuss and insult, just like the lawyer who has neither facts nor law to pound.
You have nothing.
I do have to amend that. Jesse's got guilt by association. I can play that game too. Jesse, look who you've got on your side:
* Trump, who thinks he can raise foreign investment while reducing trade deficits, even though they are the same thing.
* Navarro, is it, who came out with that humdinger that adding taxes to imports reduces prices?
* Some other genius, or perhaps the same ones, who say protective tariffs will replace the income tax because they will generate so much big beautiful revenue, at the same time they are so high that they reduce imports and require even higher tariffs to get the same revenue, in a vicious circle which ends up with tariffs going all the way to 11 because there's no imports left.
* Another genius who doesn't know that Trump's tariffs are protective tariffs designed to raise prices so high that imports stop, yet confuses them with revenue tariffs, designed to be low and not stop imports.
That's Jesse's clown posse and my accusation of guilt by association with economic illiterates.
“ What happens? Canada announcing they are open to NO TARIFFS dumbass”
So tell me, genius. If tariffs are zero, production will happen in the countries with reliable quality and low labor costs. Where would that be? Hint: it’s not the US.
If tariffs are zero i don't care where production happens you dumb retarded fuck.
If the production ends up elsewhere I'm fine with that dumb retarded fuck.
Except that's not what happens as China and Vietnam have higher tariffs on US goods dumb retarded fuck.
You guys ignorantly say shit with zero interest in reality.
If your theory were true there would be less or no tariffs on US goods. Because labor isn't the only cost of production you dumb retarded fuck.
“ If tariffs are zero i don't care where production happens you dumb retarded fuck.”
I thought tariffs were going to bring back American jobs and stick it to the globalists.
“ Except that's not what happens as China and Vietnam have higher tariffs on US goods dumb retarded fuck.”
Which has absolutely nothing to do with the cost of labor. As long as China (although as they have become a richer country, their labor costs have risen, so they aren’t as good as they used to be) and Vietnam (excellent quality/cost of labor environment) and India (even better, since they have a large mid- and high-skilled labor pool (in addition to low-skilled) have labor costs that are a fraction of the US, manufacturing will happen there. It’s just math. You can’t make most things in the IS for a better cost than the landed cost of India or Indonesia or Vietnam.
Tariffs are a tax on your own citizens. Vietnamese tariffs mean nothing to American citizens because it isn’t going to cost them a penny. American tariffs will cost American citizens a ton.
“ If your theory were true there would be less or no tariffs on US goods.”
Why? That isn’t at all what “my theory”, also known as economics, would indicate. Tariffs are imposed for a variety of reasons, including raising revenue for the government. The existence of tariffs in other countries doesn’t necessarily mean that they are protecting their production. That’s just what WE, as a wealthy nation with a high cost of living, have to use tariffs to do. Otherwise our labor costs are too high.
“ Because labor isn't the only cost of production you dumb retarded fuck.”
Absolutely right, you ignorant fucktard. But it is one of the largest costs to businesses and when you are talking about producing somewhere where the labor costs 1000% more, like the US, it is one of, if not the single, most important factor in production costs.
We will never be competitive in unskilled manufacturing because US workers will not work for the wage that would make it make economic sense for a company. That’s just math.
Also, please decide which economic impossibility you think makes it worth raising prices on every American. Bringing American manufacturing jobs back? Raising revenue for the government? “Balancing” our trade with other countries? Some other paleocon fantasy? Which one (or ones) is it?
How would you get Canada to lower their tariffs?
Why would it matter to you? Their tariffs are taxes on their people. Why does that bother you? Are not governments sovereign over their own territory and people? Isn't that why Trump is so hung up on kicking out immigrants and raising his own tariffs, because this is his country, not theirs? Why is it any of your business or Trump's business to tell Canada what to do?
It matters. Their tariffs limit access of American business to to their markets. Or do you believe it wouldn’t benefit American business to have a more level playing field in markets like Canada’s?
They don't care about reality. They care about their religion.
Congrats STG. Now you have Nelson on your team. You've got quite the backing.
Considering your application would be tossed in the “rejected” pile at pretty much every college and job I’ve been with (including my own business) unless it was saved as a “can you believe this guy thought he could get in” joke around the office, it’s better to be on my side than yours. You say more stupid shit in a day than I’ve said in my whole life.
And considering SGT and I disagree vehemently on most cultural issues (and he is more pro- than anti-Trump), perhaps you might wonder how two such different people with such different worldviews came to agree on economics?
Partially, it’s because we are both far more libertarian than you and your paleocon friends could ever be. But mostly because it makes sense and we aren’t willing to ignore reality like you do.
“Why would it matter to you? Their tariffs are taxes on their people. Why does that bother you?”
Because I want to sell my shit in Canada and their punitive tariffs don’t make it attractive for Canadians to buy it.
You know, the same reason punitive tariffs here are such a bad idea.
"Unilateral trade"? What the hell is that? One trader gives stuff away with no compensation from the other?
Yeah, you're as ignorant as Trump on trade. What you probably meant is "unilateral free trade is not free trade", which is just another way of showing your economic illiteracy.
Tariffs are a tax on domestic consumers. Period. Threatening to impose tariffs on your own citizens if some other country imposes tariffs on their citizens is exactly as insane as threatening to cut yourself if your neighbor cuts himself.
He also wants to cut income taxes. What would you do instead?
I thought the trick to Trump was to go by his actions, not his words.
Cutting taxes is pointless if he doesn't cut spending. Two trillion in the hole last year. Cutting a few billion is a drop in the bucket. Protective tariffs don't raise revenue; their purpose is to cut imports and collect less revenue.
If he doesn't cut spending, the government will collect that extra revenue by inflation or borrowing. Do you like inflation? I thought Trump said he wanted to cut inflation. Oh, that's right, we should go by what he does, not what he says. So OK, he's not cutting inflation. But he's going to borrow more, which will raise inflation.
Genius. Who knew a reformed Democrat could work so hard to disgruntle the American public so bad as to flip both houses Democratic in 2026, risk impeachment in 2027, and destroy any chance JD Vance has in 2028?
Fucking genius.
He is trying to cut spending. Congress will, also have to do some of the heavy lifting. Looks like you’re more focused on being angry than you are on taking an honest look at the facts.
"We don't think other countries are treating us fairly, so we will punch ourselves in the balls in retaliation!"
That is the logic of retaliatory tariffs.
Hey fag, a lot of those countries are caving in to avoid said tariffs. You just hate that, given how much you hate our constitutional republic, and its citizens. As we all know you despise citizenship.
Seethe harder.
Huh. Looks like Elon Musk broke the law after all.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/bice-elon-musk-group-removes-010416597.html
Sure looks like he did pay someone $1 million to vote in Wisconsin. Which is illegal.
But, we all know what the usual suspects around here think of the law. It is just a tool to help friends and punish enemies. Since Elon Musk is a friend, the law can't possibly be used to harm him.
Tell us about the children you hurt, fatty.
Hey fag, cool story. Did you furiously masturbate while you typed that?
says the guy projecting all over the place
Hey fag, I’ll bet you would love to if I ‘projected’ on you. But it isn’t gong to happen.
So slink back to your windowless bars.
No widespread fraud...
Huh. Remember that little exchange between Trump and Maine's governor in which the governor was disrespectful to the God-Emperor Himself? Well, that little outburst resulted in some lawfare from the federal government directed at Maine.
https://archive.is/V94Lm
This is what you all voted for. Hope you are happy.
Tell us about the children you hurt, fatty.
Mills is an unprofessional piece of shit. When Biden’s army reserve thug was allowed to roam free for weeks after threatening to cause grievous bodily harm, then carried that out, she was glamming for the cameras during the post presser. Have had a few dealings with her.
We will find out if Nostradamus is correct. Ideally, the entire Ponzi scheme program gets sunset and all data collection centers close.
I couldn't vote, but it makes me smile, if that's what you're looking for, Lying Jeffy.
That said, I'll bet a million dollars that your WaPo story is lying horseshit, as your two ActBlue journolisters writing the story decided not to provide the Leland Dudek email they supposedly saw, or even an actual quote of what he supposedly said: Mills was “disrespectful” and “unprofessional” during an event with President Donald Trump, wrote Leland Dudek in a Feb. 27 email viewed by The Washington Post.
Pretty dodgy stuff, Lying Jeffy.
Hey fag, that all you got? Just iso,e bullshit claims from a discredited piece of crap?
You’re just a bog standard leftist.
"The Senate Just Passed Rand Paul's Bill To Block Trump's Tariffs on Canada"
Mark Carney, Justin Trudeau and Chrystia Freeland hardest hit. Nobody wants the Trump tariffs harder than they do.
You had the Ontario official announcing they were open to no tariffs today. That would ruin the globalists more than anything.
But now Canada will delay due to this vote assuring the issue stays at the forefront for you elections.
Would have been a victory for the non globalists to go to zero tariffs for both countries.
You understand that neither high tariffs nor zero-tariffs (nor anything in between) is going to change global supply chains, right? That only tariffs that are significantly higher than the savings production in cheap-labor countries will stop globalization? And that those tariffs will cause inflation so that most Americans will lose purchasing power for their wages?
Or are you so ignorant you think that manufacturing won’t always flow to the best combination of reliable quality and cheap labor? Which, for mass-produced commodities with no intellectual property (like textiles, furniture, molded plastic, toys, ceiling fans, lamps, pool noodles, etc., etc., etc.) will never be the US. Our standard of living is too high and our labor literally costs 10x as much as places like Vietnam, Indonesia, and India. There is no way to cover the added labor costs that US production would require.
So if your fantasy of zero tariffs were ever to come to pass, American manufacturing would still lose out. Globalization is here to stay because that’s the most efficient and cost- effective way to make things. And companies will ALWAYS choose that.
We're importing cheap labor as fast as we can.
The labor stays cheap only so long ass it stays "under the table", in the underground economy. Ass soon ass the illegal subhumans are put to work at a large-scale meat-packing plant, toy factory, or toaster factory, Government Almighty imposes high labor taxes, minimum wages, self-esteem therapy insurance mandates, etc., and there goes your advantages of cheap labor!
I agree and well put!
Donald's numbers are crooked and His books are cooked!
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/03/how-did-the-us-arrive-at-its-tariff-figures-.html This is how Donald cooked the books… Even nations who import more from the USA than they export, get hit with a 10% tariff. And WHAT is so bad about a trade imbalance with a specific nation? My employer runs a trade imbalance with me (they pay me money and I don’t pay them), and my grocer has a trade imbalance with me, the other way around.
You've now said the same retarded belief not backed by any data a second time. What a good little theist.
If your belief were true the US wouldn't have lower tariffs than other countries do.
It is amazing how ignorant most of you theists are to reality. As I state below you don't care about actual data or what actually happens, you care about slogans and bumper stickers. You're a fucking moron.
Labor isn't the sole cost of production retard. Yet that's the argument you've been given in your economic 101 class and repeat without inspection. Seems a common trait.
Liar!!!
The nations with the world's lowest tariffs are Hong Kong and Singapore, both of which maintain a 0% tariff rate on goods, with some exceptions. These economies are known for their free trade policies, which promote open markets and minimal trade barriers.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/4/2/where-are-the-highest-lowest-tariffs-trumps-reciprocal-tariffs-explained
“ If your belief were true the US wouldn't have lower tariffs than other countries do.”
Really, genius? How do you come to that conclusion?
“ As I state below you don't care about actual data or what actually happens”
Really? What data are you drawing on? What case studies of what “actually happens”?
“ Labor isn't the sole cost of production retard”
No, but it is the largest.
“ Yet that's the argument you've been given in your economic 101 class and repeat without inspection”
No, I got that in the 8 years I helped run the supply chain for the US branch of an international textile company. Which is why I know the advantages and disadvantages to IP and non-IP production, the lead times for orders, the time, money, and effort required to shift production between factories and between countries, and most relevantly to this discussion, the impact labor costs have on landed costs for products. I literally was part of the team that switched our production of several products from China to Vietnam and Indonesia.
You are an idiot who has no idea what you are talking about with production and supply chain. I do because I got paid a really good salary to do exactly that. And market the products, but that wasn’t nearly as interesting.
Paul is correct; the tariffs are not going to do what Trump hopes, but like those obsessing on climate change, he's got the trees dead in focus and the forest seems a foggy mystery: The DJ lost 1/100th of 1% on Trump's announcements.
Did you sell? "Stated vs revealed preference".
I did nothing for good reason
Keep your head up your ass you stupid fuck
Hey fag, Sevo is welcome here.
You’re not. So piss off. M’kay fag?
Today's tariff executive order is a rather long document that goes into detail on justifications and worth a read rather than relying on news outlets to simplify it for you.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/04/regulating-imports-with-a-reciprocal-tariff-to-rectify-trade-practices-that-contribute-to-large-and-persistent-annual-united-states-goods-trade-deficits/
The following section of the EO suggests that one objective of the order is to tear down tariffs or be cudgeled to trade death. That's an optimistic view of course and libertarian.
Even granting the existence of foreign tariffs that effectively deny US access to a foreign market, the question is who is really hurt by the foreign tariffs? Sure, I can't sell my widgets there, but their citizens are the ones who suffer by paying for local inefficient widget production. Meanwhile I still have customers locally and in other countries with low or no tariffs. If, perchance, the foreign company actually can make widgets cheaper than I can then even without their tariff I could not compete with then for thwir local customers.
It won't matter. The false comparative advantage and unilateral trade theists will never admit their theories are immature. That their theories disproved by actual data.
Comparative advantage theists claim the markets are just optimizing to cheapest labor or most efficient. Yet Vietnam has 90% tariffs on US goods. They wouldn't need this market barrier if they were more efficient and cheaper to produce there.
It's a decades long scam that has been run under a guise of free trade. It is not. It is managed trade. The same people fall for large managed trade bills being called free trade bills despite those bills being agreed to caps, tariffs, and other controls
Multiple countries have publicly announced deals to create actual free trade with zero tariffs. Israel, India is in discussions, Pakistan. Others are lowering their trade barriers. Like Vietnam. Yet all the false free trade theists are against these actions. They would rather live with tariffs than be proven wrong.
This isn't an idea that Trump just came up with. It is a theory that has been discussed for around a decade and a half. But they have to act like it came out of thin air.
As for your ask who is harmed. It is all market actor, foreign and domestic.
The way costs of production and development get spread is through number of goods sold. If I invest 1M in IRAD and can sell 1M unit domestically, the cost of that research is 1 dollar per unit. If I can sell another 1M in foreign markets, that reduces the cost of research to 0.50 a unit. Halving the cost. This is a fundamental item missed by most who don't actually research deeply into understanding markets.
Perfectly stated, but the globalist "free market" sheep will continue to bleat.
Ironically Nelson just stated what I said they would do. After this post lol.
“ The way costs of production and development get spread is through number of goods sold.”
This is about the most ignorant thing you have ever written, and it’s strong competition.
The cost of development will diminish with products sold in the manner you said. The cost of production does not.
The largest costs for production are labor, transport, and materials. Of those, labor is the largest, by far. Transport is the only advantage the US has for products produced in the US, but given the relatively cheap cost of transporting goods from Asia, it isn’t a huge advantage.
Even when prices skyrocketed under COVID to a reported $25k per container, it was only damaging to companies because they had already sold the goods for a lower price and the surge killed their profits. It still wasn’t high enough to make transport tip the scales in favor of US production.
Consider that the labor difference between Asian and US labor for textiles in one of those containers was likely around $100k for. Would you pay $100k to save even an inflated cost of $25k in transport? How about the normal $12k-$15k?
Now understand that the only two ways you can usually lower production costs on a given order is lead times and order size. More units ordered farther ahead lowers the per-unit price of that order and that order only. The next order of the same product won’t change at all due to the last order.
Also, since most companies use at-once, as much as 90% of each order has already been sold when the order goes in. Nothing will kill a company faster than wrapping up huge amounts of money in inventory.
So please stop talking about things you are ignorant of (which, given your posts, is virtually everything). And production costs are obviously very much something you don’t understand.
FWIW, the best balance for mass produced textiles is a 120 day lead and, at least when I was doing it a decade ago, you could hit the best per-unit cost at 25k+ units. After that it still went down, but not by enough to move the needle much.
"I may".....
He's the CEO, not the emperor.
Time for the House to grow a backbone and do it's job and end this farce before some really gets hurt.
So, Israel repealed all its tariffs with the US. Thus proving that tariff threats work to lower trade barriers, right? This is what Trump wanted all along, right? Surely Trump wouldn't respond by putting tariffs on Israeli goods *anyway*, right?
https://www.jta.org/2025/04/02/israel/trumps-liberation-day-includes-17-tariffs-on-israeli-imports-even-as-israel-cancels-tariffs-on-us-goods
The Trump tariff rates are made up.
"They didn't actually calculate tariff rates + non-tariff barriers, as they say they did. Instead, for every country, they just took our trade deficit with that country and divided it by the country's exports to us."
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2025/04/however-dumb-you-think-the-trump-taxes-are-theyre-dumber
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Fuck off and die, steaming pile of lefty shit.
If you knew basic arithmetic you could verify it for yourself.
Hey fag, his arithmetic is better than yours.
Hey fag, you got any more bullshit to shovel?
I gets even dumber. Trump put a 10% tariff on an uninhabited island near Antarctica.
https://www.salon.com/2025/04/02/trade-with-penguins-places-10-tariff-on-uninhabited-antarctic-islands/
Hey fag, you get dumber all the time.
Boehm is content to let Asia continue to steal our lunch money. This isn't the 60s and it isn't a level playing field anymore. Tarrifs are necessary in order to reset the system.
There is no way to reset the system, unless you can magically make US workers cost 1/10 of what they do. And no one is going to work for that in the US.
Tariffs bringing back manufacturing jobs is a fantasy that ignores how much labor costs are reflected in prices. Americans won’t work for what those in countries with a lower cost of living will because they can’t afford to. Literally. They can’t survive on the wage they would have to accept to bring those jobs back.
Thanks bumper sticker analyst. Weird you skipped over only one post of mine the one that already talked about your cost of labor theory.
You, stg, and others continue to prove you don't want an actual free market. You don't want tariffs to be zero. Amazing.
I replied to you, in detail. You keep trying to frame economics as “my theory”. It isn’t. It’s literally the way business works. Not only in the abstract, but in practice. You are ignorant of the theories you are attacking and have obviously never actually worked in supply chain or placed a PO with a factory or evaluated (and implemented) a change of producers in an existing supply chain. In short, you don’t have the slightest idea what you are talking about.
At this point the government is so fucked up I'm fine with him doing whatever he wants. I'm supposing he has some long term plan and these are just the first moves. Everything was going to shit with the Democrats anyway so I say let him run.
Trump is truly retarded.
It is amusing how his actions get other countries to drop their tariffs in agreement and you guys get so mad.
I’m all for a zero-tariff environment. I know it isn’t possible and that it would result in exactly the same global supply chain that we’ve had for decades. What is the advantage(s) that you think tariffs provide?
Is it increased government revenue? Protecting US manufacturing? Something else? Please be specific, if you’re even capable of doing so.
"it is the first serious attempt by Congress at limiting the president"
A resolution that narrowly passed and is doomed from there on cannot seriously be called "serious." I think Reason writers are letting their aspirational imaginations carry them away here!
Agreed. But when you’re dying of thirst, even a bucket of piss is awesome.
Perhaps the legislative should start legislating more often. Perhaps balancing the budget, eliminating redundant programs, dealing with the deficit. The list goes on and on. Time to step up and do your job instead of getting rich off insider trading.