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COVID-19

Do Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin Work?

Five years after Donald Trump declared a national COVID-19 emergency, here's what the research says.

Ronald Bailey | 3.11.2025 2:45 PM

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This week marks five years since March 13, 2020, the day President Donald Trump declared a national state of emergency over the novel coronavirus outbreak. The White House issued The President's Coronavirus Guidelines for America three days later. Among other things, the guidelines advised Americans to avoid bars, restaurants, shopping trips, and social visits. They also said that governors in states with evidence of community transmission should close schools, bars, restaurants, food courts, gyms, and other indoor and outdoor venues.

Sticking to recent peer-reviewed science, and setting aside the political question of what the government should do with the information, what do we know now about the ways people tried to protect themselves from the virus? This week, we're looking at several measures—face masking, the vaccines—as well as the matter of how many Americans died of COVID-19 infections. Yesterday, we tackled face coverings. Today, let's probe what researchers have learned about the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin in treating COVID-19.

Six days after declaring a national emergency in 2020, Trump on March 19 hailed using the antimalaria compounds chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine as a potential "game changer" in the treatment of COVID-19. Trump's enthusiasm for the compounds was likely stoked, in part, by a guest earlier that week on Fox News claiming that hydroxychloroquine had a "100 percent cure rate against coronavirus." The guest was citing the unpublished results of a small nonrandomized study by a team led by French researcher Didier Raoult.

Feeling pressured by the president, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued an emergency use authorization (EUA) for chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine on March 28 for the treatment of COVID-19.

In early April 2020, a team of Australian researchers reported that the antiparasitic compound ivermectin killed COVID-19 viruses in infected cells in a petri dish. During the pandemic in the U.S. the use of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin doubled and increased by tenfold, respectively, from January 30, 2020, to May 11, 2023, according to a 2025 Health Affairs analysis.

Citing emerging scientific data, the FDA on June 15, 2020, revoked its EUA after determining that chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine were unlikely to be effective in treating COVID-19. Again, the whiplash of confusing and contradictory claims and public health decisions about the efficacy of the compounds for treating COVID-19 ended up politicizing the issue.

Since 2020, there have been thousands of studies of the compounds. Google Scholar finds 32,800 and 15,800 citations of COVID-19 and hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, respectively. Many initial studies came to contrary conclusions about their efficacy in treating COVID-19. So five years after the national emergency was declared, what have researchers determined?

 

Hydroxychloroquine

A September 2024 article in the journal Biomedicines reviewing the findings of clinical trials for ivermectin and chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine reported that "most phase III clinical trials" of the compounds "observed no treatment benefit in patients with COVID-19, underscoring the need for robust phase III clinical trials."

On the other hand, another study in PLOS Medicine published in September 2024 reporting the results of a randomized controlled trial found that "there was evidence of moderate protective benefit" for taking the drug to prevent COVID-19 infections. That study did, however, acknowledge that hydroxychloroquine "has proved ineffective in treating patients hospitalised with Coronavirus Disease 2019."

The PLOS Medicine results mirrored that of an earlier meta-analysis of randomized controlled studies in the Journal of Thoracic Disease. The study by Chinese researchers found hydroxychloroquine reduced the risk of severe COVID-19 infections but "showed no effect on hospitalization or mortality." In a January 2024 study published in Social Determinants of Health, 871 healthy participants randomized to receive either hydroxychloroquine or a placebo were followed for 10 weeks. Over that period, 97 became infected with COVID-19, of whom 61 were taking a placebo. "Pre-exposure therapy with hydroxychloroquine appears to prevent moderate and severe illness caused by COVID-19 in asymptomatic persons," concluded the team of Iranian researchers.

A systematic review of the effectiveness of various pharmacological treatments for COVID-19 published in the February 27, 2025, issue of Frontiers in Pharmacology found that with respect to the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in treating COVID-19, "there was no effect on mortality in 16 of 18 meta-analyses."

In a March 4, 2025, letter to Frontiers of Medicine, a Chinese research team after parsing retrospective clinical data for hospitalized COVID-19 patients reported that "low-dose [hydroxychloroquine] was associated with lower all-cause mortality." On the other hand, they observed, "No significant difference in all-cause mortality was found between the high-dose group and non-[hydroxychloroquine] group among the mild and critically ill patients."

 

Ivermectin

An August 2024 meta-analysis of 12 ivermectin randomized controlled trials of nonhospitalized patients in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents reported that "ivermectin did not reduce hospitalization, all-cause mortality or adverse events when compared with controls."

In April 2024, an ivermectin randomized controlled trial in the Journal of Infection concluded, "Ivermectin for COVID-19 is unlikely to provide clinically meaningful improvement in recovery, hospital admissions, or longer-term outcomes. Further trials of ivermectin for SARS-Cov-2 infection in vaccinated community populations appear unwarranted."

A July 2024 report in BMC Infectious Diseases of a randomized controlled trial in Sri Lanka using ivermectin to treat COVID-19 found, "Although ivermectin resulted in statistically significant lower viral load in patients with mild to moderate Covid-19, it had no significant effect on clinical symptoms." A March 2024 meta-analysis of 33 ivermectin randomized controlled trials by a team of Chinese researchers in the journal Heliyon found no significant difference in all-cause mortality rates or viral clearance rates between those treated with ivermectin and controls, although ivermectin did reduce the risk of mechanical ventilation for COVID-19 patients.

A February 2025 review study of ivermectin randomized controlled trials in Annals of Medicine & Surgery concluded that ivermectin showed no significant impact on critical outcomes such as mortality, mechanical ventilation, viral clearance rates, ICU admissions, or hospitalization rates compared to controls. Similarly, a February 2025 review article of randomized controlled trials by a team of Indian pharmaceutical researchers observed that "we consider Ivermectin ineffective in the management of COVID-19 disease, both as treatment and prophylaxis."

Nevertheless, ivermectin evangelists still argue that the medication is effective in treating COVID-19.

In December 2024, the French study that likely motivated Trump to tout hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19 was retracted based on, among other things, "concerns raised by three of the authors themselves regarding the article's methodology and conclusion." However, other French researchers rejected that retraction as disinformation. It turns out that retractions are now politicized.

After five years of intensive research and debate, the initial hopes that these off-the-shelf compounds might offer significant benefits for the treatment of COVID-19 were not fulfilled. While some data suggest that taking hydroxychloroquine modestly lowers the risk of infection, most recent evidence concludes both compounds are largely ineffective as treatments for COVID-19 infections.

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  1. Longtobefree   4 months ago

    What difference, at this point, does it make?

    1. Eeyore   4 months ago

      I'm guessing none?

      Don't worry the next corona virus that escapes a lab with be engineered so that these two drugs make it worse. Probably.

    2. Freethinksman   4 months ago

      "What difference does it make at this point?"

      Are you kidding? What percentage of people who consider themselves MAGA stalwarts continue to believe that those drugs are the *most* effective drugs available to treat Covid-19? I just hope Reason publishes another retrospective on the outcomes of the Covid mRNA vaccine, it's efficacy, and the true number of serious side effects caused by it. Hell, we're 30+ years past the Lancet's retraction and clarification of the intentionally flawed study of common childhood vaccines and their relationship (hint: none) to autism.

      It makes a HUGE difference at this point. It demonstrates that it was science and not politics that led the CDC, NIH, WHO and others to discount the efficacy of HCQ and Ivermectin.

      We were inundated both prior to Operation Warp Speed, which Trump should be bragging about, and after by people who confused actual science with whatever bullshit Rumble was feeding them. Nearly half the country mistakenly thinks those drugs were a panacea. They still don't know, or believe, that it was all political bullfuck.

      The only person who would dismiss the aggregated data at this point would be someone embarrassed by his own miscalculation. No, Anthony Fauci wasn't collecting money for every person who died of Covid, and he wasn't paid by George Soros to hid the truth about Hydrxychloroquine and Horsepaste from you. This isn't just righting a wrong, it's spreading *actual* facts, not *alternative* facts. Jesus.

      1. Mockamodo   4 months ago

        But Fauci was talking garbage, he had no clue if it worked or not and he'd already shown himself to be a liar by going from "masks won't help" to "even a mask made from an old tshirt works" to "you should wear as many masks as you can get on your face". We had stand 6 feet apart because covid has tiny little legs and can't jump that far. We had you'll get covid and die if you go into the forests or on a beach by yourself without a mask. It was lies after lies after lies.

      2. Granite   4 months ago

        Fauci lies and should be beheaded - at least that’s what Bannon said in 11-2020. Regardless, it’s clear fauci is not credible bc it’s proven he released covid as a bio weapon on the world at the behest of the us military, namely darpa. So see shouldn’t even be having a discussion over minutiae such as efficacy of random drugs that largely don’t do any harm. We should be talking about prosecuting all those involved in the deception since more people died of covid than the holocaust. Where’s the outrage?

    3. Public Entelectual   4 months ago

      Those who hoped the surge in off label ivermectin and quinine derivatives would produce brain worm herd immunity have been bitterly disappointed.

  2. sarcasmic   4 months ago

    As if we needed more proof that science is leftist.

    1. A Thinking Mind   4 months ago

      It wasn't the right that politicized science.

      1. sarcasmic   4 months ago

        Democrats did it first. That makes it ok when the right does it. Yes I know.

        1. Uilleam   4 months ago

          The 'right' isn't doing it, moron.

          1. SQRLSY   4 months ago

            If the below isn't the "right", then WHO is shit?

            https://news.yahoo.com/why-ron-desantis-cant-stop-talking-about-covid-134001001.html Florida had some bad COVID stats!!!

            From there…
            After reopening, DeSantis went on to ban mask requirements and falsely claim that people who receive COVID boosters are “more likely to get infected.” His senior-heavy state now has one of the lowest booster rates in the country and “by far” the highest vaccine-era COVID death rate of the six most populated states, according to a September analysis by the Tampa Bay Times. (That group includes California, Texas, New York, Illinois and Pennsylvania.)

            https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/centner-academy-vaccine-rules-leila-centner-david-centner
            “Florida School Run by Idiots Says Vaccinated Students Must Stay Home for 30 Days After Each Shot”
            This is the same school where a teacher told students not to hug their vaccinated parents for more than five seconds.

            (End subtitles and excerpts).

            See? We are ALL data-driven by now! My data says the OTHER (evil) tribe believes in vaccines, so MY tribe must BAN and SHUN the BAD tribe (and their cooties) as much as possible!
            The unvaccinated are now CLEAN and the vaccinated are UNCLEAN! Civic-minded BAD! Afraid of micro-chips in vaccines GOOD! Black is white, and good is evil!

            1. Granite   4 months ago

              You’re unreadable. Still. It’s like pretending a toddler isn’t annoying you when he demonstrably is making it clear his intent to do just that.

      2. Freethinksman   4 months ago

        I was certainly the right that dismissed the science in order to continue to live in their own *Alternative Reality*.

        And a lot of them died there too.

    2. Public Entelectual   4 months ago

      And Sarcasmic retromigently brainless.

  3. Eeyore   4 months ago

    How about we talk about something relevant? Like the current bird flu possibly escaping from a USDA lab.

    1. Granite   4 months ago

      Bc people do not like talking about threats to their lives and covid and bird flu intentionally being released on us is a frightful thought better left repressed lest we be compelled to run the streets red to right the wrong of a government who has made its own citizens their number one enemy.

  4. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   4 months ago

    Bailey will be all over that story when soros tells him it's okay to say

    1. Freethinksman   4 months ago

      Still with Soros. Jesus. That's alsways the fallback. Lose on science, lose on everything else, but live and thrive in the halo cast by the demonization of an old man. Jesus fucking Christ. Like a goddamned moth.

      1. BillEverman   4 months ago

        To be fair, they also sometimes get lost in their delusional fantasy that Obama is the Grand Master of the Illuminati, or some such. I mean, he is black, so he's got that on Soros.

  5. Sometimes a Great Notion   4 months ago

    Do Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin Work?

    Yes.

    Do H and I work against Covid?

    I'll need to read the article but I don't really care. Have had covid 3 or 4 times now, all cured/recovered with just vitamins, Tylenol and bed rest.

    1. charliehall   4 months ago

      Have had 11 doses of an mRNA COVID vaccine. Also vaccinated for RSV, pneumonia, and influenza. I wear N95 masks in crowded indoor environments.

      The last five years have been the healthiest of my life. I have never had COVID. I don't even get colds any more.

      1. damikesc   4 months ago

        Eleven doses?

        Seriously?

        You CONFESS to that?

      2. Uilleam   4 months ago

        No colds but your brain is fried. Got it.

      3. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

        Even your brain damage?

      4. DesigNate   4 months ago

        Hmm, I didn’t peg Charlie as being a parody, but now I’m not so sure.

        1. MasterThief   4 months ago

          Too on the nose.

      5. VinniUSMC   4 months ago

        11 doses?! Holy shit. I'd ask if you were really that stupid, but you've already proven that many times over.

      6. Mockamodo   4 months ago

        Well we know the vaccine doesn't prevent you getting covid, it simply reduces the symptoms, and it doesn't keep you from spreading covid. One of it's effects is to hide the symptoms so you don't know you have covid and are wandering around spreading it. I was 65 and unhealthy when I caught it, was sick with flu like symptoms for a week and over it, haven't had it again, so the old fashioned survive it and you're good seems to work as long as you're not full of vaccines, every person I know who jumped on the vaccine wagon has had it repeatedly.

      7. Granite   4 months ago

        Anecdotes are like excuses

    2. Brett Bellmore   4 months ago

      Apparently they do work, just not very well. A very modest protective effect.

      Since both drugs ARE well established as effective for other conditions, AND Covid demonstrably hits you much harder if you're already suffering from some unrelated medical condition, maybe the effect is indirect: They clear up some undiagnosed illness, making you a bit better at fighting off the Covid.

      1. VinniUSMC   4 months ago

        Either way, they appear to not be harmful.

        So, probably, they should be banned. -"The Science!"

      2. Freethinksman   4 months ago

        You need to re-read the article, if you ever even read it in the first place. Comprehension is a bitch.

  6. Uncle Jay   4 months ago

    I found it fascinating Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin were on the market healing for decades, and then, all of a sudden, Fauci and Company deemed them "dangerous" without explanation.
    Weird, huh?

    1. Zeb   4 months ago

      That part was particularly interesting. Saying that there is no good evidence for them is fine as that appears to be true. But the hard line taken against their use was another matter. If I understand correctly, doctors can generally prescribe things off label. If there is no great danger, let doctors and patients decide what to do.

      1. Moderation4ever   4 months ago

        Leaving it to the patient and the doctor is good as long as the patient understand and accepts if the doctor chooses not to use or prescribe unproven medications. Doctors prescribing off label often know if the medication is effective and what are the consequences of using a medication off label.

        1. Incunabulum   4 months ago

          You're fine with that - but you're not fine with the doctor choosing to prescribe off-label uses you disapprove of.

      2. TrickyVic (old school)   4 months ago

        ""But the hard line taken against their use was another matter.""

        This.

      3. JFree   4 months ago

        But the hard line taken against their use was another matter.

        I never paid much attention to those until that time when the drugs became completely politicized. From google it looks like late August 2021 (this one CNN). That is also exactly when the omicron wave broke across the south, swamping hospitals from FL to TX, and when the right wing media started hawking ivermectin as a replacement for vaccines (which by that point were deemed 'Biden/D' not 'Trump/R'). When there were literally fights in overcrowded hospitals turning patients away - as other already accepted patients/families would order doctors to treat covid inpatients with ivermectin rather than allow vaccination in the community. Even the Veterinarians Association wrote about the misuse - at a time when the real medical system was breaking down in exactly those places.

        The bright side is - Darwin took care of a reasonable portion of those folks - but nowhere near enough.

        1. Incunabulum   4 months ago

          There were no hospitals turning patients away.

          1. Brett Bellmore   4 months ago

            Now, that's not true: Plenty of hospitals were turning people away for 'elective' procedures like cancer treatment and heart surgery, to keep beds open for a wave of desperately sick covid patients that never materialized.

            1. JFree   4 months ago

              That wasn't late 2021. You're talking about March/April 2020. Where crisis standards of care were only implemented in NY area and I think New Orleans.

              Crisis standards of care only occur AFTER beds/resources get filled and the rationing from then on happens at the hospital door.

            2. Freethinksman   4 months ago

              That is absolutely true. Does this publication have to make us all relive the pandemic in totality just to prove that a fuckton of people got it wrong while continuing to believe they got it right? Jesus!

          2. JFree   4 months ago

            There were plenty of hospitals turning patients away. They were on 'crisis standards of care' throughout the South. And people were dying because of that. eg - a Texas veteran who died of acute pancreatitis a couple days later because the hospitals were full of unvaxxed covid patients fucking around with tales of ivermectin. This is precisely why excess deaths were higher in 2021 than in 2020 - in precisely those areas where disease 'denialism' became politicized.

            Those crisis standards of care made two assumptions that weren't true:
            1) that there were non-hospital actions that could be taken to PREVENT hospitalization (eg vaccination) and thus prevent or at least shorten any crisis standards of care timeframe
            2)that there wasn't actual conflict in hospitals where patients/families were preventing doctors/nurses from treating people for covid because they wanted treatment with ivermectin instead.

            That was all I really advocated. Changing the crisis standards of care to incorporate those facts. If what I advocated shocked people - well fuck you. That's the point.

            If you were at risk of HOSPITALIZATION from covid because you have comorbidities that you want to ignore, then that should be the vaccination calculus. Not merely a risk of death that also includes a one-month clogging up of ICU resources (that are also being ignored)

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   4 months ago

      Come on, it's not like the Inventor of ivermectin won a Nobel prize for medicine.

      1. Zeb   4 months ago

        That's really pretty irrelevant to whether it is dangerous or effective for covid. Lots of very valuable and important drugs are dangerous.
        Of course Ivermectin is quite safe as far as drugs go. And it was retarded to characterize it as "horse paste" (whatever that means). But it's not without dangers if taken in ill advised doses.

      2. Freethinksman   4 months ago

        Should we have shot people up with Uranium because of the Nobel prizes its isolation and uses led to? We all know that correlation does not equal causation, but apparently there are thos who think that *no* correlation *does* equal causation. We have reached Terminal Stupidity.

    3. Moderation4ever   4 months ago

      Any cases where patients are taking unproven medications present two issues of concern. The first that the patient may be avoiding better more proven treatments. For example, vaccine hesitant patients skipping the measles vaccines thinking they can just take cod liver oil if they get the infection. A second concern is the effect for patients who may truly need the medications. Malaria patient should not be deprived of medication because people with COVID are buying up the supply of medication they need.

      1. A Thinking Mind   4 months ago

        Both of those medications are extremely "proven." They've been around for decades. The only question is their efficacy against COVID-19.

        When it actually mattered was when there were no alternative treatments to COVID, which we do have now. Now patients have options, like Paxlovid. But when Fauci et al were denouncing "horse paste," they were attacking people for trying to take something off-label that has minimal side effects and had at least a promising vector for treatment, in that it seemingly reduces viral loads. Same for hydroxychloroquine, which actually may have some positive results if taken at the first sign of symptoms.

        It's worth pointing out that the prescribed antivirals also aren't useful unless taken at the first sign of symptoms. Doctors won't prescribe them to you if you've been showing symptoms for more than 4 days, and they're useless if a patient is always hospitalized. So the same failing that people were expressing about both medications-that patients who were hospitalized saw little effect when given hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin-also fits the specific antivirals for COVID-19.

        1. Freethinksman   4 months ago

          I take Hydroxychloroquine for Ankylosing Spondilitis (AS) which is an autoimmune disease related to Rheumatoid Arthritis. I couldn't get it for 6 months because morons emptied the shelves. It does have a relatively safe history, although serious side effects can and do occur. If there was a reason to take it, doctors and scientists wouldn't have made nearly as big a deal out of it. But there was NO reason to cause shortages for those, like me, who needed it and risk more serious and far more common heart conditions than the Covid Vaccine. People go crazy because doctors wouldn't prescribe something that didn't work. The same people go crazy refusing to believe in the stuff that actually is effective. It's all political and it's all just fucking dumb.

      2. DesigNate   4 months ago

        “Any cases where patients are taking unproven medications present two issues of concern.”

        If you aren’t the patient or doctor, it’s none of your concern.

        1. Freethinksman   4 months ago

          It's a huge concern. Drug manufacturers, hospitals and doctors don't want to be sued for side effects caused because some hick drives all the way in to town to demand something the doctor knows does not work, but which does have possibly severe side effects.

          Read the article again. Jesus.

  7. Ajsloss   4 months ago

    Mask up!

    1. Uncle Jay   4 months ago

      Is it Halloween already?

  8. Super Scary   4 months ago

    AMNESTY!

    1. mad.casual   4 months ago

      Yeah. Really looking like there can be no amnesty for the living.

  9. Gaear Grimsrud   4 months ago

    Lockdown and experimental vaccine mandate enthusiast Ron Finally admits his culpability and apologizes for his defense of an athoritarian scam. Right? Right!?. Didn't read the article but I don't see any other option in a "libertarian" publication.

    1. charliehall   4 months ago

      The COVID vaccines saved millions of lives and allowed economies to return to normal

      1. damikesc   4 months ago

        I'd like to see evidence to bolster that claim.

        1. SQRLSY   4 months ago

          Says the LYING, uneducated cuntspiracy-theory-believing, death-and-disease-lusting PervFect Nut Job! YOU PervFected One will SNOT read and acknowledge this, because You Are Already PervFected! And brain-defected, infected, and neglected!

          Killing people is good ass long ass anti-vaxxers have their way in promoting anti-vaxism ass THE most fashionable of ALL Marks of Tribal Virtue!!!

          https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages
          Just LOOK at the interactive graph right at the top of this link!!!! COVID deaths among the unvaccinated VASTLY outnumbered, and still outnumber, the deaths among the vaccinated!!! WHY do You Perfectly Lust SOOOO Much for death and suffering, LYING servant and serpent of communicable diseases?!?!

          PS, "food" is dangerous! People get sick and even die from food poisoning!!! Be SAFE!!! STOP eating!!!!

          1. DesigNate   4 months ago

            The “vaccine” was not necessary for opening the economy back up. This is an undeniable fact, seeing as the economy was open in places all over the world well before the first doses rolled out.

            And you know the numbers have been admitted to as being full of more shit than your average shitpost, right?

            1. SQRLSY   4 months ago

              Yes, I know, sore-in-the-cunt cuntsorevaturds need merely say "All of these are lies", and ALL of the data gathered by ALL of the mainstream, non-kooky people are ALL thereby refuted!

              Q: Twat can ANYONE say to help to fill the already-full-of-themselves, already-PervFected Righteous Saints of the Earth and Beyond?

              A: One can add NOTHING to the already-full-of-themselves vessels!

      2. Rossami   4 months ago

        Almost certainly not. The pandemic largely ran its course, like all pandemics do. Comparing the disease progression through developed countries that had access to the vaccines with the disease progression through countries without the same access shows far less difference than one would expect if the vaccines were even half as effective as you claim.

      3. Uilleam   4 months ago

        False

        1. SQRLSY   4 months ago

          False

      4. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   4 months ago

        They killed more people than it saved

        1. SQRLSY   4 months ago

          Citation please!

      5. Mockamodo   4 months ago

        Well considering the left's insistence for decades that the Earth requires depopulation why would I believe the left when it says do this or massive numbers will die? From abortion to fighting genetically engineered crops to fighting DDT to the global warming scam to convincing our kids they're gay and need to take sterilizing treatments everything the left does is just a backdoor means of achieving depopulation.

  10. Overt   4 months ago

    What a waste of my money. If I wanted a summary of The Science!™ on anything, it certainly wouldn't be from Ron Bailey.

    I used to really respect him, but Trump broke Bailey. He now sees every article as his chance to clinically repudiate Trump under any circumstances.

    This is a Libertarian magazine, not a science review. Let's get back to the libertarian subjects.

    1. Freethinksman   4 months ago

      It's not like this is opinion. It's simply the data. Don't rant about the messenger because you have too much invested in being wrong. Be a man. Don't be so goddamned learnproof!

  11. Rick James   4 months ago

    The Science!™ (thanks, Overt for the cut-and-past-source) declares that the vaccine which was known to cause a whole range of possible adverse side-effects but it'll make you 85% more likely to be infected... strongly suggests you take it. Just a suggestion.

    Oh, and you're fired if you don't take it. Ain't Libertopia grand! Choices!

    1. Rick James   4 months ago

      Oh, speaking of The Science!™, our (hopefully future) NIH director throws cold water on your vaccines.

      1. Rick James   4 months ago

        But I know, Science is Right Wing.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   4 months ago

          Also racist.

          1. Rick James   4 months ago

            And favors the rich.

            1. Gaear Grimsrud   4 months ago

              POCs and the transgendered at greatest risk.

              1. Freethinksman   4 months ago

                Umm, I think this is a discussion about the fact that neither HCQ nor Ivermectin are effective at fighting Covid-19.

      2. Zeb   4 months ago

        I think he has been confirmed.

    2. mad.casual   4 months ago

      Somebody around here at one point had a chart that showed all the potential and alleged preventatives and treatments, their relative efficacy and fiscal costs.

      Even if you took the vaccines as more effective than Ivermectin and/or HCQ, their relative cost per case prevented was still orders of magnitude more expensive and things like Vitamin D, walking, and getting outside, which Ron "MOAR TESTING" Bailey never advised or advocated for, were another order still (being both as or more associated with positive outcomes *and* virtually free).

      The next set of lockdowns rolls around, I'm probably going to be old enough and high enough risk that it might be worth my (or my kids' and grandkids') while just to beat these people to death until I'm either gunned down or succumb to the disease.

  12. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

    Most of the studies demonizing these two drugs were studies intended to discourage their use. Many of the studies in this collection were likely the studies such as in France of introduction not at onset, but late into infection. Antivirals are best during very early onset.

    Likewise the studies you are citing are citing all cause mortality, ie the died with standard, not died from.

    1. Zeb   4 months ago

      That's been my understanding as well. A lot of the studies were done with very ill people when many who were claiming it worked were saying it needed to be taken early, and in some cases in combination with other drugs or vitamin D. Would have been good to see those claims checked out more thoroughly.
      I do think that all cause mortality should be looked at with treatments like this though. It's important to know how it affects all outcomes, not just the target one. A drug that cures a disease in 100% of cases isn't great if it also causes worse side effects than the disease in half the people who take it. As I understand it, not accounting for all cause mortality and all non-covid outcomes was a big problem with the vaccine trials.

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

        Side effects of at least ivermectin are already well known. Don't think it would be a factor in all cause.

      2. MasterThief   4 months ago

        If I remember right, it was when one or both were paired with zinc early on that they seemed to produce positive results. I never really cared or thought it likely they were a miracle drug, but saw no problem with people trying it and giving solid data on the effectiveness.

  13. Dillinger   4 months ago

    >>Do Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin Work?

    "Yes, and I'm sorry for the last five years." ~~ Ron?

    1. VinniUSMC   4 months ago

      Oh, you must be one of those "evangelicals" that Ron 'The Science' Bailey mentioned. How dare you question "The Science"?!

  14. chemjeff radical individualist   4 months ago

    A September 2024 article in the journal Biomedicines reviewing the findings of clinical trials for ivermectin and chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine reported that "most phase III clinical trials" of the compounds "observed no treatment benefit in patients with COVID-19, underscoring the need for robust phase III clinical trials."

    That is because this study was written by corrupt left-wing leftists who hate Trump and therefore it should be ignored.

    On the other hand, another study in PLOS Medicine published in September 2024 reporting the results of a randomized controlled trial found that "there was evidence of moderate protective benefit" for taking the drug to prevent COVID-19 infections.

    See? Trump was right all along! Here is a science article to prove it! You can't argue with this, it's peer-reviewed and everything!

    1. Freethinksman   4 months ago

      "That is because this study was written by corrupt left-wing leftists who hate Trump and therefore it should be ignored."

      They certainly liked the vaccine he expedited through Operation Warp Speed. It's almost as though those filthy libtards are willing to accept what evidence shows to be conclusive.

  15. Social Justice is neither   4 months ago

    But weren't you one of the people pushing scare stories about these because your stake in Pfizer needed a boost.

  16. rferris   4 months ago

    Amazing that their was no consideration given to the nations where ivermectin was the primary treatment and their results were better than ours?????

    The only data considered was experimental, no actual real world results were considered or evaluated.

    This article is less science and more advocacy for approved measures and offers nothing substantial, as the real world results were ignored.

  17. charliehall   4 months ago

    There never WAS any evidence for either. It was all fake science. And people died as a result.

    We see the same nonsense now with Kennedy suggesting that nutrition is the solution to the measles outbreaks.

    1. Rick James   4 months ago

      CHARLIE HALL!

    2. damikesc   4 months ago

      Stopping illegal immigration is the best way to rectify the problem.

      1. SQRLSY   4 months ago

        Burning witches is the best way to rectify the problem.

      2. SQRLSY   4 months ago

        So let's ALL get rectum-fried!!!

        (Did You know that The Pussy Grabber in Chief ALSO likes to grab fried rectums? THAT is why He is starting an unprovoked trade war, to rectum-fry us all in the ass, so that He can GRAB us yet some more!!!)

      3. Freethinksman   4 months ago

        You gonna send ICE out to round up individual viruses?

    3. Eeyore   4 months ago

      Poor nutrition is a known risk factor for measles severity, especially a lack of vitamin A. That is true regardless of vaccination status.

    4. Uilleam   4 months ago

      You go ahead and get your 12th booster. I'll pass.

      1. SQRLSY   4 months ago

        Thank YOU for keeping the rest of us CLEAN from vaccine cooties!!!

        https://news.yahoo.com/why-ron-desantis-cant-stop-talking-about-covid-134001001.html Florida had some bad COVID stats!!!

        From there…
        After reopening, DeSantis went on to ban mask requirements and falsely claim that people who receive COVID boosters are “more likely to get infected.” His senior-heavy state now has one of the lowest booster rates in the country and “by far” the highest vaccine-era COVID death rate of the six most populated states, according to a September analysis by the Tampa Bay Times. (That group includes California, Texas, New York, Illinois and Pennsylvania.)

        https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/centner-academy-vaccine-rules-leila-centner-david-centner
        “Florida School Run by Idiots Says Vaccinated Students Must Stay Home for 30 Days After Each Shot”
        This is the same school where a teacher told students not to hug their vaccinated parents for more than five seconds.

        (End subtitles and excerpts).

        See? We are ALL data-driven by now! My data says the OTHER (evil) tribe believes in vaccines, so MY tribe must BAN and SHUN the BAD tribe (and their cooties) as much as possible!
        The unvaccinated are now CLEAN and the vaccinated are UNCLEAN! Civic-minded BAD! Afraid of micro-chips in vaccines GOOD! Black is white, and good is evil!

    5. But SkyNet is a Private Company   4 months ago

      Who died?
      PLEASE TELL US who dieD when there was no other treatment, you weaselly lying shill

      1. SQRLSY   4 months ago

        https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(05)62668-2/fulltext

        Can fucking ax-grinding idiots perform a VERY simple Google search?

      2. SQRLSY   4 months ago

        https://www.unmc.edu/healthsecurity/transmission/2023/03/14/an-ivermectin-influencer-died-now-his-followers-are-worried-about-their-own-severe-symptoms/

        An Ivermectin Influencer Died. Now His Followers Are Worried About Their Own ‘Severe’ Symptoms.

        Danny Lemoi took a daily dose of veterinary-grade ivermectin and told his thousands of followers to give the drug to children. He died of a common side effect of the medication.

        Just before 7 am on March 3, Danny Lemoi posted an update in his hugely popular pro-ivermectin Telegram group, Dirt Road Discussions: “HAPPY FRIDAY ALL YOU POISONOUS HORSE PASTE EATING SURVIVORS !!!”

        Hours later, Lemoi was dead.

    6. MT-Man   4 months ago

      Lol now it's nutrition is bad. This is great from the parody since it's what the hivemind is thinking

  18. Rossami   4 months ago

    So it likely didn't help - but also largely didn't hurt. Which means the FDA should have kept out of the mess entirely.

    And yes, that implies that we need a complete reversal of the drug "approval" process. Drugs and treatments should be automatically allowed until and unless the FDA affirmatively shows that the harms outweigh the benefits.

    If the FDA wants to add an 'Underwriters Laboratory' or 'Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval' as a way to inform doctors and patients of vetted products, that's fine, too. But the presumption for products should be the same as for people - innocent until proven guilty. Stop patronizing us.

    1. mad.casual   4 months ago

      Drugs and treatments should be automatically allowed until and unless the FDA affirmatively shows that the harms outweigh the benefits.

      I wouldn't go that far but vastly reduced and more objective and transparent is absolutely fair.

      "We gave the drug to 100 people. It didn't kill any of them or give them cancer as far as we can tell. It's alleged to make your cuticles stronger, your breath minty fresh, and your farts smell like raspberries, 83 of the people involved noted one or more of these outcomes."

  19. arpiniant1   4 months ago

    Morons
    they don't work, you morons were swallowing them like candy and pretending it did something, meanwhile convincing other morons to do the same, causing shortages for people who actually had to worm their horses and such and than blame 'liberals' for, errr something
    lot of stupid here

    1. VinniUSMC   4 months ago

      Well, you got one thing right, you did post a lot of stupid here.

      Go with charlie to get your 12th shot of "The Science!"

  20. JeremyR   4 months ago

    I think the real question, are they harmful? To the point of the hysteric reaction against its use.

    Personally, I've had Covid 6 times without anything to help other than just rest.

  21. AT   4 months ago

    This week, we're looking at several measures—face masking, the vaccines—as well as the matter of how many Americans died of COVID-19 infections.

    No, this week we're looking at Ronald Bailey rationalize to himself why he's still wearing a mask in 2025, is on his 67th booster, is still having his doordash hamburgers shoved through his mail slot, and why he refuses to come into the office to work to do his oh-so-important job of calling the President a big dumb stupidhead.

    Lets. Not. Kid. Ourselves.

    Put on the nose, clown world.

    1. MasterThief   4 months ago

      I'm interested in him touching on the "vaccine" and other treatments. Does he want to talk about how many people died due to respirators when flipping a patient over could have saved their lives?
      Ron has no interest in the actual science or in truly diving into the errors and bad decisions regarding covid.

  22. Public Entelectual   4 months ago

    What possible harm could come from recommending worm cures and antimalarials for a respiratory virus attack?

    https://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2020/04/of-quinine-and-chloroquine-willis.html

    Cue usual hacks warning you not to read fake warning labels

  23. Incunabulum   4 months ago

    >That study did, however, acknowledge that hydroxychloroquine

    *Acknowledged*? Or add a covering-my-ass-please-don't-cancel-me caveat?

  24. Incunabulum   4 months ago

    > It turns out that retractions are now politicized.

    Hah! Bailey, what planet have you been on for the last 5 years?

  25. Fist of Etiquette   4 months ago

    Nevertheless, ivermectin evangelists still argue that the medication is effective in treating COVID-19.

    Lol. Bailey giving away the game with this unwarranted pejorative. His piece here, it turns out, is just as politically tinged as every other goddamn thing with this garbage.

    I don't know if ivermectin is an effective therapeutic and thanks to this kind of biased bullshit I never will. But it's cheap and easy to make and would have been very effective at stopping the EUA for the COVID vaccines so therefore it couldn't be allowed to be even tried by independent physicians and their desperate patients.

    1. Public Entelectual   4 months ago

      Are you speaking from your experience as a pigeon, a water buffalo or a horse ?
      https://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2021/08/cures-pigeon-lice-horse-worms-so-why.html

      1. Fist of Etiquette   4 months ago

        What on earth is that.

  26. Cp47   4 months ago

    So, five years after the "right" ignored what the experts said (lies that masks were ineffective notwithstanding) , you've come to the conclusion the experts were correct. Good timing.

    As for the ignoramus that said science is leftist... Science is an evidence based process that seeks objective truth. Scientists may lean left or right; science itself is orthogonal to politics.

    1. Mickey Rat   4 months ago

      And this when much of the Left denies that objective truth exists and that there is only narrative.

  27. Mickey Rat   4 months ago

    So the result is these medicines had some mild positive effect and did not deserve the invective and censorship that was shutting down even discussing them as therapies for COVID 19. They were one of the issues that were effectively banned in draconian fashion from discussion on major social media platforms.

    1. Ben of Houston   4 months ago

      I have to agree. "Better than nothing" for hydroxychloroquine. And ivermectin was at least a "can't hurt". That was exactly what we needed in the early days. No one said it was a miracle cure.

  28. SteveMD   4 months ago

    For hydroxychloroquine (and I think also for ivermectin), it was clear from the initial studies that it had to be administered at the correct point - early in the infection (along a number of other factors that had to be correct such as dosage). Many of the studies that were done at that time tested the wrong dosage, regime and too late in the infection. This would have diluted any possible effect and contaminated the literature such that it became hopeless to make a conclusion. Nothing you've written in this article addresses this issue - the point during the infection that the drug was given. Did any of the metastudies look at that? If this issue is not addressed, it is a waste of time writing about it or performing experiments.

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