Do Face Masks Work?
Five years after Donald Trump declared a national COVID emergency, here's what the research says.

This week marks five years since March 13, 2020, the day President Donald Trump declared a national state of emergency over the novel coronavirus outbreak. The White House issued the President's Coronavirus Guidelines for America three days later. Among other things, the guidelines advised Americans to avoid bars, restaurants, shopping trips, and social visits. They also said that governors in states with evidence of community transmission should close schools, bars, restaurants, food courts, gyms, and other indoor and outdoor venues.
Sticking to peer-reviewed science, and setting aside the political question of what the government should do with the information, what do we know now about the ways people tried to protect themselves from the virus? Over the next few days we'll look at several measures—ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, the vaccines—as well as the matter of how many Americans died of COVID infections. Today we'll tackle face coverings.
Early in the pandemic, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases chief Anthony Fauci notoriously announced on 60 Minutes that Americans "should not be walking around with masks." This was a reprise of Surgeon General Jerome Adams' February 29 tweet: "Seriously people. STOP BUYING MASKS!" Adams added, "They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can't get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!"
A little over a month later, the government did an abrupt U-turn, with Trump announcing on April 3 that the surgeon general and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention were now recommending that Americans voluntarily wear cloth masks in public to slow the spread of the coronavirus. Federal officials still wanted to reserve surgical masks and N95 masks for frontline health care workers.
States then began introducing requirements that individuals wear face coverings in public. By the end of the year, 39 states would adopt such measures.
These contradictory signals helped politicize facial masks. The controversy was further stoked by a January 2023 Cochrane Library analysis that was widely interpreted by many, including some of my Reason colleagues, as concluding that "masks don't work." In March 2023, Cochrane's editor issued a statement. "Many commentators have claimed that a recently-updated Cochrane Review shows that 'masks don't work', which is an inaccurate and misleading interpretation," wrote Karla Soares-Weiser. "It would be accurate to say that the review examined whether interventions to promote mask wearing help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses, and that the results were inconclusive."
It takes at least two sides to politicize an issue. A July 1, 2020, op-ed in The New York Times compared refusing to wear a mask to "driving drunk" and the San Francisco Examiner on July 15, 2020, asserted "not wearing a mask makes you selfish, not an independent thinker." Mask skeptics were denounced as "covidiots."
Five years after the COVID-19 emergency was declared, has more conclusive evidence emerged one way or the other?
Masks are a big category: There are cloth masks, surgical masks, N95 respirators that block 95 percent of small particles. People use them both as source control—that is, to reduce the spread of respiratory droplet to others when an infected person talks, sneezes or coughs—and as respiratory protection for uninfected wearers.
A June 2024 meta-analysis in the journal Clinical Microbiology Reviews synthesized evidence from more than 100 studies and reviews. It found that masks, "if correctly and consistently worn," are "effective in reducing transmission of respiratory diseases and show a dose-response effect." It also found that, N95 and KN95 masks were more effective than surgical or cloth masks. Using data from jurisdictions with mask mandates, the researchers concluded that "mask mandates are, overall, effective in reducing community transmission of respiratory pathogens." The efficacy of masks alone does not settle the question of mask mandates, which is far more complex.
In their comprehensive 2024 report, Effectiveness of masks and respirators against respiratory infections, researchers associated with the Finnish Institute of Occupational Health reviewed 153 research articles on the effectiveness of mask use against infective agents or airborne droplets and particles. They reported that 128 of the articles they analyzed found masks to be effective. They noted that "systematic reviews of on randomized controlled trial studies in clinical or community settings demonstrated effectiveness in 10 out of 16 studies, and 20 out of 23 studies found mask mandates to be effective."
A July BMJ 2024 article reported the results of a randomized controlled trial by a team of Norwegian researchers. They assigned half of their cohort of nearly 5,000 subjects to wear three-ply surgical masks in public spaces—shopping centers, streets, public transport, etc.—over a 14-day period. The researchers reported that 163 participants of 2,371 assigned to wear face masks versus 239 of 2,276 of non-wearers self-reported respiratory symptoms. The researchers concluded that "the results support the claim that face masks may be an effective measure to reduce the incidence of self-reported respiratory symptoms consistent with respiratory tract infections, but the effect size was moderate."
In February 2025, the BMJ published a review evaluating the role of masks and respirators in preventing respiratory infections in health care and community settings. The British team noted the difficulty of evaluating studies conducted in the midst of an ongoing epidemic, but it concluded that "there is ample evidence on the effectiveness of masks and respirators in community and healthcare settings to inform consistent policy." It also concluded found that community mask use is effective during periods of increased transmission.
The Finnish report noted that several early randomized controlled trials did not find community masking to be effective at preventing respiratory illnesses. In a March 2024 article in the Journal of the Royal Society Interface, two researchers at Columbia University probed the discrepancy between mask efficacy as measured by laboratory experiments versus randomized controlled trials out in the real world. They found that individual masking behaviors—most specifically, disease transmission within households where masks are rarely used—limits mask efficacy in randomized controlled trials. Nevertheless, the researchers concluded that at the individual and population levels, masking effectively reduces the risk of infection and lowers epidemic intensity.
Upshot: From the perspective of five years, most research finds that facial masking is at least modestly effective for preventing and slowing down the spread of respiratory illnesses like COVID-19.
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The fact that you even reported on the research is proof that you support mask mandates.
Like Ron's articles aren't easily searchable?
He wasn't strongly convinced government should have mandated masks, but he was convinced enough that people should be shamed into masking. Because that's so much better. Put on those face diapers and signal your virtues, peasants!
Also, kill yourself before your child has to call CPS on you again.
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He’s a real Kool-Aid Man,
Sitting in his Kool-Aid Land,
Playing with his Kool-Aid Gland,
His Hero is Jimmy Jones,
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Loves death and the dying moans,
Then he likes to munch their bones!
He’s truly, completely a necrophiliac,
His brain, squirming toad-like, is REALY, really whack!
Has no thoughts that help the people,
He wants to turn them all to sheeple!
On the sheeple, his Master would feast,
Master? A disaster! Just the nastiest Beast!
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Couldn’t quite fit ‘democrats did it first’ in, could you shitweasel?
Ron this is obfuscating the fact They found that individual masking behaviors—most specifically, disease transmission within households where masks are rarely used—limits mask efficacy in randomized controlled trials. Nevertheless, the researchers concluded that at the individual and population levels, masking effectively reduces the risk of infection and lowers epidemic intensity. This tries to explain away why it didn't work with what if's and buts, this was about typical of your science articles during covid, ie the mice with paper between them expirement.
You can easily handwave away any benefit as wearing the mask serves as a constant reminder there is something going around and people modified other behaviors that reduced their risk.
That's a consideration someone with even basic scientific understanding would consider. Ron doesn't do that and I'd assume most of those researching it knew not to include such considerations.
They noted that "systematic reviews of on randomized controlled trial studies in clinical or community settings demonstrated effectiveness in 10 out of 16 studies, and 20 out of 23 studies found mask mandates to be effective."
I assume that's a typo that meant to say 'non randomized controlled trials'.
The Finnish report noted that several early randomized controlled trials did not find community masking to be effective at preventing respiratory illnesses. In a March 2024 article in the Journal of the Royal Society Interface, two researchers at Columbia University probed the discrepancy between mask efficacy as measured by laboratory experiments versus randomized controlled trials out in the real world. They found that individual masking behaviors—most specifically, disease transmission within households where masks are rarely used—limits mask efficacy in randomized controlled trials. Nevertheless, the researchers concluded that at the individual and population levels, masking effectively reduces the risk of infection and lowers epidemic intensity.
This is about as weak-tea as you can get, and none of it speaks to the TYPE of mask being worn. The LARGEST RCT of masking found that surgical masks were 11% effective in mitigating influenza infections and cloth masks were 0% effective. Again, just saying "masking is effective" is a complete waste of everyone's time and resources.
The CDC failed in its duty to do an RCT of community masking during the entire COVID pandemic, because they knew what the results would be.
Another example of how the media spread misinformation about masking is my local paper did a story about how to manage your masks in your household, claiming that masks can be hung on doorknobs and that N95 masks can be worn for weeks at a time and still be perfectly good.
In uber-retarded Seattle, it was (and still is) extremely common to see people walking outdoors, alone, in the rain with an n95 mask on. The moment that mask gets wet, it's no longer an n95 mask because the electro-static charge is nullified.
But I get it, this is Reason's way of justifying their tepid response to mandates. If the scientism shows that the infringement on liberty works, then the infringement is justified? Given that, I've got a few ideas on reducing crime that I guaran-damn-tee will be effective but I suspect Reason would be pretty squeamish about implementing.
In uber-retarded Seattle, it was (and still is) extremely common to see people walking outdoors, alone, in the rain with an n95 mask on.
Shit, I still see morons wearing them while driving around with the windows up. It's like the Schwab and the WEF knew that the last generation spent creating a population of hypochondriacs was an ideal environment to unleash the kind of global pandemic virus that they, the WHO, and Gates had spent that whole time jerking themselves off over.
In uber-retarded Seattle, it was (and still is) extremely common to see people walking outdoors, alone, in the rain with an n95 mask on. The moment that mask gets wet, it's no longer an n95 mask because the electro-static charge is nullified.
Which is why, when we’re working with water, we use P100 filters. They’re both water and petroleum resistant. N95s really aren’t good for much other than dust from regular construction work.
found that [properly worn] surgical masks were 11% effective
They don't do shit when they're on your chin, hanging by one ear, or continually get pushed up/down so that you can talk and be understood, get worn for multiple days in a row...
Or in some cases covering your mouth but not your nose.
Not for respiratory viruses. This has been known for decades Bailey. Maybe read your comment threads from 2020.
B...but... this just talked about respiratory infections.
Speaking of infections, I see a grey box that no doubt contains the demented, retarded ravings of a rabid squirrel desperately in need of euthanasia.
Yeah, comment threads from DEEPLY egg-headed, TOTALLY data-driven right-wing wrong-nuts is THE Proper Way to Do The Science!!!
Look, you can't trust studies done after COVID as it's a grand attempt at covering their ass in retrospect.
There have been plenty of studies on that very subject from before COVID, which would be more reliable given that there was (at the time) no political reason to skew the data.
Not to say an honest review couldn't be done today, merely that one won't be and if any is done it will be swiftly killed in favor of consensus science.
You beat me to it. Yes, any masking studies done after 2019 need to be ignored.
So just for the record, here is the CDC mask guidelines from before the Communist Chinese Virus was sent over.
"Background; Masks are not usually recommended in non-healthcare settings; however, this guidance provides other strategies for limiting the spread of influenza viruses in the community.
Unvaccinated Asymptomatic Persons, Including Those at High Risk for Influenza Complications
No recommendation can be made at this time for mask use in the community by asymptomatic persons, including those at high risk for complications, to prevent exposure to influenza viruses."
"It takes at least two sides to politicize an issue. A July 1, 2020, op-ed in The New York Times compared refusing to wear a mask to "driving drunk" and the San Francisco Examiner on July 15, 2020, asserted "not wearing a mask makes you selfish, not an independent thinker." Mask skeptics were denounced as "covidiots.""
And in the Reason comment section, another popular comparison was made and continues to be referenced to this day.
Ooh. Ooh. Bears?
https://reason.com/podcast/2021/10/25/freedom-responsibility-and-coronavirus-policy/?comments=true#comment-9176512
I'm still 100% pro-bear.
Depends on the color of the bear....
I know the white ones are the biggest assholes and will kill you just to eat your liver. The brown ones will murder you for fun or just out of spite. The black ones like to look scary when they aren't trying to eat stuff out of your trash. I think my trunk is only big enough for a black one.
Racist!
And what kind of trunk it’s in.
It takes at least two sides to politicize an issue.
No, it takes one side to politicize an issue like this. The side that tries to mandate an unproven intervention. As soon as you try to mandate something, it is politicized.
BING!
Do Face Masks Work?
In every study people in the mask cohort still got sick. So, no, wearing a mask will not stop you from contracting an airborn respitory virus. Can it reduce the odds of you getting sick, yes but not a statisically significant amount. If you are facing near daily exposure, you will eventually get sick mask or no mask.
Not to mention the ill effects from WEARING a mask.
Can it reduce the odds of you getting sick, yes but not a statisically significant amount
A "statistically insignificant" difference means there was no meaningful difference between the groups, a negative result, that is. The hypothesis is not supported. In these studies, the statement "masks are effective in ..." has not been proven at all, no matter how much the COVID nazis wanted it to be so.
In every study of seatbelt effectiveness we conducted, people who wore seatbelts were injured or killed in accidents. Yes, the odds of them getting injured or killed was less, but based on the fact that they do not confer total invulnerability and immortality, we deem seatbelts to be useless.
Don't understand what statistically significant means, eh?
Did face masks work? Absolutely, 100%.
Masks made it easy to distinguish obedient, scared sheeple and notorious grandma-killing rebels. Note: for this purpose, the type of mask and position worn did not matter.
Masks also provided a talisman for the sheeple to attain some ability to function in public, after over-dosing on panic. If not for masks (and then vaccines) millions of people would still be self-isolated and living on grocery deliveries and government checks.
Finally, masks became an effective mode of state power enforcement, both conditioning the compliant and punishing criminals. The absurdly inconsistent rules (e.g. the infamous "must wear mask while walking to restaurant table but can take mask off sitting at table") helped people accept state control by edict, even if illogical and void of justification.
(e.g. the infamous "must wear mask while walking to restaurant table but can take mask off sitting at table")
Anybody with half a brain went to their grocery (or hardware or home goods or whatever) store within the first two weeks, saw or watched the employees wipe/spraying down all the carts, saw all the impromptu plexiglass barriers that had been erected, and then watched people push groceries, money, credit cards, car keys, etc. under the plexiglass back-and-forth without a single thought as to contamination and *knew* it was going to be a shit show.
Barriers everywhere but had to touch/swipe card reader, touch for no cash back, etc.
They also worked to assist with armed robberies, commit mayhem without visual detection, and burn shit down without being ID'ed.
They’re great for hiding secret identities of superheroes.
Over the next few days we'll look at several measures—ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, the vaccines—as well as the matter of how many Americans died of COVID infections.
OH. MY. GOD.
More testing needed!
Reason launches a comedy series.
Be prepared for ivermectin, which is administered early in an infection, didn't work for people already hospitalized!!!
Ron still thinks he can somehow redeem himself after years of selling the libertarian case for Covid tyranny. Weird.
This is a sad effort if so. He remains behind what an interested person understood by May 2020. With the wealth of evidence and studies he can now draw from he pulls basically no data and infers unsupportable conclusions from the other authors' conclusions.
From the perspective of five years
ALL OF A SUDDEN!
Go fuck yourself Ron.
If only there was someone left with their credibility intact to speak with authority on the subject. No such person or institution exists so everyone can piss all the way off.
Wait until Bailey finds out the truth about mRNA 'vaccines.'
That is synonymous with "when hell freezes over".
In Baileyworld they will always be safe and effective.
NYT reports that gloryholes are immodestly effective at preventing the spread of COVID infections.
Now do monkeypox.
NYT reports that monkeypox is immodestly effective at preventing the spread of COVID infections.
WHAT PREVENTS THE SPREAD OF GLORY HOLES???
A dearth of homos?
Good band name.
Gene Hackman’s wife was seen in public wearing a mask on the day she most likely died. Did her mask work?
Hantavirus is not transmittable person to person, so no. If anything, it probably exacerbated her respitory distress.
I willing to entertain the idea that if you are actively cleaning up mouse droppings, that might be a situation where a mask and gloves wouldn't be a waste. The 4 corners flu is no joke.
I wonder if anyone has done any research on the efficacy of transorbital lobotomies to prevent the infectious spread of communications of people unable to figure out if masks work or not.
Merely questioning the efficacy of transorbital lobotomies makes you a transphobe.
Are we sure Ronald Bailey didn't die in 2020 and was replaced with AI? The BabylonBee made an AOC story generator that might be better than the RB one. https://babylonbee.com/article/aoc-is-a-genius
It was accepted medical consensus for about 100 years that masks had little to no effect on the spread of airborne illnesses, based on those 100 years of research and experience.
That flipped in April 2000 when the New England Journal of Medicine published an article that basically stated masks were largely a psychological soothing mechanism--which was right at the same time that dago fuck Fauci flipped the script to state that "masks work" and set off two years of mass social control and media gaslighting. When anti-maskers started citing that article, the Journal had to backtrack and write this pathetic addendum stating that "of course masks work!" even though they'd explicitly stated otherwise when the article was published.
The type of mask seems important, as well as the fit. There was no chance of repurposed loosely-fitting bandanas or other various cloths of helping the wearer very much. Although they might of helped others by preventing splatter.
How well they do or don't work doesn't really matter if half of the population is against them for pollical reasons. We just have to hope that the next pandemic is no more deadly than the last. If the next one is more deadly, nature will sort it all out without regard to politics.
How well they do or don't work doesn't really matter if half of the population is against them for pollical reasons.
Well, it kind of does matter. If they actually work, you're not going to find that half of the population is against it, regardless of politics. It's only when your talisman doesn't work that you begin to find such a split.
If the next one is more deadly, nature will sort it all out without regard to politics.
It will take down the fake libertarian *and* the fake Classical Liberal parties!
"if half of the population is against them for pollical reasons. We just have to hope that the next pandemic is no more deadly than the last."
Common sense isn't a political reason and this 'pandemic' wasn't deadly to the vast majority of the population. But we let them destroy our lives and livelihoods anyway, and you tools promoted it.
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Short answer, from an asbestos professional, Ronald, is NO.
Unless you can fit test the mask in some way, shape, or form, it does not work. Your cloth and surgical masks cannot be fit tested. N95s can, but it’s difficult, and there’s no guarantee it’ll stay. The only thing that will work at a minimum is a half-face respirator with HEPA (P100) cartridges which filter out 99.97% of everything bigger than 0.3 microns or larger. These can easily be fit tested and even tested by the user to make sure the seal works properly. When testing for viruses, this is what medical professionals use (as do we in the asbestos world).
The mind-boggling part was people treated any mask as equal. Respirators, N95, surgical, double-N95, face shields, were considered equal to whatever cute thing your Aunt Matilda made from the scraps in her sewing bin.
Decent article but the concluding paragraph is not supported by the evidence presented in the article itself. The proper conclusion is that "facial masking is at
leastmost modestly effective..." The challenges of even getting medical professionals to where masks in a way that is effective dwarfs the challenges of teaching the general populace how to wear them properly. And improperly worn, they are nothing more than medicine theater. The placebo effect has a higher positive correlation than some of the pro-masking studies mentioned here were able to find.The Finnish report noted that several early randomized controlled trials did not find community masking to be effective at preventing respiratory illnesses. In a March 2024 article in the Journal of the Royal Society Interface, two researchers at Columbia University probed the discrepancy between mask efficacy as measured by laboratory experiments versus randomized controlled trials out in the real world. They found that individual masking behaviors—most specifically, disease transmission within households where masks are rarely used—limits mask efficacy in randomized controlled trials. Nevertheless, the researchers concluded that at the individual and population levels, masking effectively reduces the risk of infection and lowers epidemic intensity.
Ron, this not saying they showed they worked. In fact this is the explanation one writes when your findings run counter to your original hypothesis, and that you failed to demonstrate that your hypothesis is a better fit than the null hypothesis, e.g. they didn't have the statistical power to reject the null hypothesis (in this case that masks aren't effective), so they have to provide explanations as to why their hypothesis failed to provide a better answer.
The only time in my life I wear a mask is on Halloween...and no, I didn't catch the COVID virus.
See! It worked!
No, at least not in the way they were forced onto the public. My bandana didn't protect anyone except the businesses I entered from being shutdown by the Covid Police.
Snacks at the bar helped prevent Covid.
"if correctly and consistently worn,"
No True Scotsman
If China is the origin of a virus, is it racist if the President bans flights from there?
Some people actually believed that it is.
The question for me is whether the nuisance warrants the prevention ratio. I think if one is infected with something transmissible by air, it's a decent thing to mask up. Otherwise healthy and not prone to significant danger from an infection should be left alone. There was way too much enthusiasm for controlling others demonstrated during the great scare. It was a good example of just how easily totalitarian society progress.
I've been wondering whether this website was all about nothing but rage bait. Jacobin Sullum's twice daily TDS screeds were my main reasoning, but...
This is just rage bait. It's so, completely, unbelievably bad it has to be.
I mean, a "libertarian" publication and it avoids any of the public liberty ramifications. What's that about? Those are about the only thing a libertarian journalist would be qualified to address. In this case, libertarian, journalist, and qualified are just three lies in one package.
As for "don't work", the question is for what? And for Covid, specifically, they are not addressed. Author picks a meta study we don't trust of trials nobody trusts, or a meta study of public data, which we REALLY don't trust. And he picks and chooses a couple of very minor facts, ignoring the inconvenient ones.
For example, Surgical masks might be effective at reduction of droplets, but covid was aerosol. Using masks as "source control" requires a totally different thing for an aerosol than for a fomite. N95s, for instance, are decidedly not designed for source control, they're for the protection of the wearer, only, and only work if properly fitted and properly worn, which is an extremely high bar even for trained medical professionals.
So, the best you can do is a meta study showing an extremely minor uptick (the difference between 0.7 and 1%) in self-reported, unverified symptoms of possible respiratory infection. Which at least was some sort of study, but still doesn't answer any reasonable questions of a libertarian nature.
It wasn't "It takes two" to politicize. This shit was politicized from one side, and one side only. Starting with Masks 4 All, the advocacy group that began the "My mask protects you" horseshit and then went entirely into a leftist propaganda campaign. It was meant to be divisive, and was. Still is, and you're still falling for it.
Masks had nothing to do with "public" health. Especially once we'd figured out that, literally, everyone was getting exposed to the 'rona one way or the other, natural, via vaccine, or both. Infectivity was as high as measles for fuck's sake. Yest not one patient was treated at the tent hospitals or the hospital ships, the system did not collapse, vaccines were available for those that wanted, most of us had it the old fashioned way anyway, and still the leftists were demanding we wear masks. Seriously, I couldn't go to an indoor concert without a mask and showing my vaccine card in fucking May of 2022! Two years later and the state and CDC guidance were still there.
So, here's how you find your libertarian angles. "Work" for what? To slow the spread? To prevent disease? To prevent covid specifically? You have to define that, because you could say maybe but probably no to the first, no to the second, and absolutely no to the third. Knowing the difference in the definition of "works" here, you figure out where the aspect of personal liberty is involved and a hearty libertarian debate regarding freedom of association, my responsibility to you, and my responsibility to myself intersect. A discussion of whether it's the government's job to tell me whether I should pretend to protect myself from a disease that, literally, every single one of us is going to be exposed to sooner or later seems very libertarian.
How about how bad those public data are? There's your libertarian angle on how incompetent the CDC and local health authorities were. Why were we funding them? Why were they not responsive to the actual needs of the actual crisis for which they theoretically were created? Why didn't the CDC do a single RCT? Why didn't the CDC do massive, effective studies where natural controls were in place, like communities in Arizona where some schools did not require masking so you could easily have gotten data otherwise unavailable once vaccines and full-scale opening happened elsewhere?
Why have you NEVER mentioned "Masks4all" who so vehemently lobbied for mask mandates against all prevailing science, beginning the politicization? Is it because you want to blame Trump at the very beginning, when we knew jack squat and the public has been riled into a panic, and "both sides" it with people months and years later who were still demanding we continue that shit? Because that's how it comes off, not like the left took an authoritarian stance and absolutely refused to ever change it regardless of ever mounting evidence to the contrary.
Yeah, "masks work" based on almost zero positive evidence for a really marginal definition of "work". What's the journalistic equivalence of damned by faint praise? Because that's what this is, and should be the point for a libertarian to tee off a million great shots.
Nope. Reason is buzzfeed. Listicles and stupid, vapid articles under rage bait headlines.
I'm fine with them doing a solid post-mortem on the science itself. What were the claims and what has proven to be true. Who was right and wrong. Articles along those premises are needed journalism. I would hope they all tie together in the end with how the perversion of science was used to justify infringements of rights.
But, this isn't a post mortem on the science.
It's literally a tiny slice of "science" that really doesn't tell us anything new. And, frankly, is this dude really the one you trust to analyze the science? He'd have to do a much deeper dive than glossing over a few headline summaries of meta analyses to give me any confidence in his knowledge.
Seriously, meta analysis is the at the very bottom of the pyramid of trustworthy science, in no small part because the quality of underlying studies can be so bad, or the studies could be chosen for a narrative, or excluded, or whatever. Garbage in garbage out, so just repeating conclusions means little. Meta studes rank far below actual trials with natural controls, which are very far below the gold standard of proper, repeatable, double blind, randomized controlled trials. A journalist, meta-analyzing meta-analyses, is not "Examining the science".
I stand by my assertion. This is nothing but rage bait.
I'm in agreement. This joke of an article proves that Ron and/or the magazine are incapable or unwilling to do this correctly even now that it is safe to do so. What a fucking joke.
I know you are man. I'm just in a bitching mood and bitching to you, not about you.
Really I'm just "Middle aged man yells at cloud".
All of Ron's desperate blathering aside the question remains, what value is there in preventing infection if in fact that's what masking actually did? Human beings are born with immunities given to us by our mothers. For the rest of our lives we become infected with viruses and develop immunities that are passed on to the next generation. If not for this miraculous process the species would have been extinct thousands of years ago. The Woodstock flu in 1968 had a higher fatality rate then Covid and nobody noticed. But to be fair, that brown acid was kinda sketchy.
And by the way Ron. Remember when you blamed RFK Jr. for the recent measles outbreak? Remember when he came out a few days later promising to provide vaccines to the affected areas? Of course you don't you pathetic piece of shit.
Pepperidge Farms remembers.
In other words - mask don't work.
Because no one is using N-95/P-100 masks, they're using t-shirts, and no one's wearing them correctly anyway.
Is the wife beater sleeveless less effective than full shoulder T?
The meta-analysis was cherry picked. Look at the graphs of state mask mandates and no-mandates. It's impossible tell. I forget who did it (either Steve Kirsch or Tom Woods, I think) but there was a quiz where you could try to match the mandates to the Covid outbreaks and there was no correlation whatsoever (maybe even negative, as in, the mandate areas often performed slightly WORSE).
Cloth masks are useless, even CDC finally admitted it.
Almost any mask outside of N95 or respirator creates a finer particulate that is actually more transmissible.
N95's kind of sort of barely work, but only if worn perfectly and correctly and properly fitted. No facial hair allowed.
No normal person is going to adhere to the mandates, and if they do they're at risk of pneumonia and bacterial infections. Surgeons change their mask, what, every 5-10 minutes? Yeah, basically NOBODY besides medical personnel did that, because they're not making health care dollars. They wore the same disgusting germ rags for HOURS.
What you wear in a virology lab protects you, and the rest of it is theater, it's been this way for 5 years (really 100+ years, as masks didn't work for Spanish Flu, either).
Anyone pushing the "masks work" lie and oppression for even five seconds is a traitor who deserves to die in a Communist Chinese gulag.
Well, they do work for ONE thing: making brain-dead, bootlicking slaves out of the mask-wearers.
Cloth masks are useless, even CDC finally admitted it.
As I said during that whole two weeks, we have the technology to put a man on the moon (or at least film it in a warehouse), but it wasn’t until 2020 that people were smart enough to think, “if I cover my face with a rag, I won’t get sick.”
Ladies and gentlemen, the final word. Thank you.
Is this for real? Are we seriously doing this?
Or is Reason just punking it audience?
Masks are a big category: There are cloth masks, surgical masks, N95 respirators that block 95 percent of small particles.
Not when you touch them, wear them around your chin, lift them in order to talk or consume food/drink, or a kajillion bajillion other ways the mask-wearers intentionally/ignorantly negated whatever effectiveness it might have had.
My favorite were the people who dropped them from their mouths to cough and sneeze. Like, how is anybody supposed to take that goat rodeo seriously.
Upshot: From the perspective of five years, most research finds that facial masking is at least modestly effective for preventing and slowing down the spread of respiratory illnesses like COVID-19.
Put on the nose, clown world.
You're still wearing a mask, aren't you Ronald. You're that guy, aren't you. The one that, if we're not openly snickering within earshot, we're silently pitying.
FoLLoWiNg tHe ScIeNcE LOL, yea?
Or is Reason just punking it audience?
THis.
So much this. It's just rage bait.
My favorite were the people who dropped them from their mouths to cough and sneeze. Like, how is anybody supposed to take that goat rodeo seriously.
I also thought that was behavior was ridiculous… until my cousin pointed out that nobody wants a sneeze on the inside of their mask, even if it’s their own sneeze. That shit is gross.
Truth.
I used to go to a chamber music festival. They reopened Summer 2021, but then after bear week decided people should "Voluntarily" mask in the concert hall. Except they'd have ushers standing over you, shoving a mask in your face if you weren't wearing one. This place is in a VERY blue part of town.
Anyway, the social area is an outdoor courtyard. I'd hang out in the corner, drinking my coffee, away from everyone else, and watch. (note: the ushers accosting me for walking into the courtyard is one main reason why I "used to" attend this festival every year)
What was happening was all the performative bullshit, with masks, double masks, masks with slogans, whatever. But these people hadn't seen each other in 18 months so they'd spot a friend, wave, the friend would come over, then when they were standing right in front of each other they'd pull their masks down so they could talk to each other. Over and over I'd see this play out.
But they'd give me shit for not wearing a mask. Outdoors. Not within 10 feet of anyone, while I was drinking a cup of coffee.
By Summer 2020 there was no logic behind it. It was religious, and tribal.
"Calm down Pythagoras, calm down."
God what a hack you are Bailey. There is zero evidence for the effectiveness of standard face masks in preventing respiratory viruses. Zero. None. Nada.
In fact, so called "surgical masks" don't actually do anything useful in surgeries. They are pure theater at this point. And the research is VERY clear on this.
WOW, he forgot to list the majority of studies that said masks were of minimal or zero effectiveness. Oooopsy.
Probably just an oversight, what a "scientistic" fellow Baily is.
Why not have a science editor who is into science and has a scientific background??
I don't think he forgot anything because I don't believe a "majority" of studying show that masks are ineffective. There is no oversight on Bailey's part just slinging BS on your part.
More than 100 years of actual science show masks have NEVER stopped the spread of viruses.
If course, if we were going by established science, 90% of what we have 'learned' about Covid in the last 5 years would have been the DEFAULT assumptions.
"More than 100 years of actual science show masks have NEVER stopped the spread of viruses."
and citation or proof for the BS statement?
This was a reprise of Surgeon General Jerome Adams' February 29 tweet: "Seriously people. STOP BUYING MASKS!"
I remember that era. When only Asians and really old people were wearing masks in grocery stores - but people were beginning to hoard masks, toilet paper, and hand sanitizer. This was almost the same day that S Korea had truly solved their mask shortage problem. A much more serious shortage than here since the Chinese government had sent people to South Korea to empty their shelves of masks. But I found it instructive that they solved their problem the same day we identified a problem and panicked about it.
A year later - the only people wearing masks were GenZ hipsters sending a message about politics. Maybe a few millennials who would tromp through a grocery store with their kids - all wearing masks and glaring at everyone on the same aisle as them. Oh and some people driving their cars and walking their dogs while masked - none of whom seemed to have any co-morbidities and almost certainly vaccinated as well.
By definition, the scientific method is self-correcting. What we think are certainties will be challenged when new evidence emerges. This will continue to be true even when it seems that no new evidence could possibly be discovered. Hence, discovering an intact or dismembered human skeleton INSIDE a complete saurian skeleton will challenge current paleontology to its core.
In any case, I have yet to hear or read credible reports of deaths actually caused by masks themselves, assuming nobody was shot or stabbed during an argument over masks. Masks don't kill people, people kill people. A tip of the Hatlo hat to the NRA for that last bit.
Improper use of masks can certainly cause illness. Not sure if there are any documented deaths, but I wouldn't be surprised.
Clearly if you are using a mask that is not covering your mouth and nose, you are using it incorrectly. I saw plenty of this during the pandemic. Most people I see today wear the mask covering the nose and mouth.
A damp, bacteria-laden mask on your face is a health hazard to yourself, no matter how you wear it.
People use them both as source control—that is, to reduce the spread of respiratory droplet to others when an infected person talks, sneezes or coughs—and as respiratory protection for uninfected wearers.
There are at least two other ways people use them. Here in the US, they were used to pick a fight with other people at Costco/etc. Mostly those without masks becoming violently offended at someone else wearing a mask.
In most parts of Asia, they are also - and remain - a form of communication signaling. A form of communication signaling that works better than 'ok this is a cause for a fight' or 'my politics is better than your politics' as here in the US. More like - please keep your distance. The mask itself doesn't matter. The message does. If a clown nose and Bozo wig sent the same message, it too would work. Keeping your distance from others does work with respiratory diseases.
As does entering a room full of people wearing masks and realizing 'ok either they're sick or they're not going to be listening to anything and can't be understood so no reason to attend some 1 hour meeting' - which reduces transmission. The silliest thing I ever saw in the US was people sitting around a conference table - all in masks - for way longer than ANYTHING - including gas masks - would work. Cancel the meeting you morons.
From April 25, 2020:
https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/cloth-masks-are-useless-against-covid-19
The response from the pro-mask crowd to Dr. Brosseau was measured and nuanced. They called up CIDRAP (a place she didn't actually work, but wrote an article for anyway), and demanded she be fired. That's the scientific side Bailey sides with.
While not a scientific study, I and my wife do use masks in crowded indoor spaces like airports and especially on planes. It seems a simple precaution and seems effective. Most people we know who have had Covid lately get it after air travel. I also note that most people I see with mask are older and for people in their 70s and 80s this seems a reasonable precaution.
If you start believing in rabbit's feet, they can also seem effective with the added benefit that they are easier to carry. I suppose that has to be balanced against the fact that rabbit's feet are less performative, less visible thus not effective when virtue signalling.
I have more faith in a rabbit's foot than I do in the current Administration.
Wait...still?
Holy shit.
The Cochraine Review published in 2019 by WHO and the CDC showed that masks could not be shown to be effective prior to them being hyper political. They came to the same conclusion a few years later.
Surgical masks all have giant - compared to the size of the virus riding in small aerosols - edge gaps around the nose, cheeks, and under the chin. Those low pressure areas are where the air will ingress/egress.
Also I believe that CA made an announcement that wearing a surgical mask would not protect one against the ash and various crap in the air during the Malibu fires. Those particles are much bigger than the viral particles suspending in water vapor.
Your comment is oversimplistic to the extreme. Aside from conflating the protection factor for the wearer from outside and the protection of the public from the wearer, you conflate particulate hazards with vapor and gaseous hazards in the products of combustion. Surgical staff wear masks in the operating room to protect the patient because it works. It is not 100% effective, but it significantly reduces the number of particles arriving at the patient - enough to justify requiring the wearing of masks during surgery. On the other hand, precautions in the hospital to protect staff from airborne and droplet transmitted contagious diseases are completely different and much more effective.
"Surgical staff wear masks in the operating room to protect the patient because it works. It is not 100% effective, but it significantly reduces the number of particles arriving at the patient - enough to justify requiring the wearing of masks during surgery."
They, in fact, do not work in surgeries:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01658736
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2493952/
https://www.cochrane.org/CD002929/WOUNDS_disposable-surgical-face-masks-preventing-surgical-wound-infection-clean-surgery
From the Cochrane review: "We conclude that there is no clear evidence that wearing disposable face masks affects the likelihood of wound infections developing after surgery."
So, mask wearing to prevent the spread of Covid is/was on par with the establishment of TSA following the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.
Yep, and like the TSA masks are still around and here at least I still see people wearing them even outside.
flipped on CNN to see if the world was on fire this morning & they were celebrating the five-year & I wondered if you would too.
Face masks might have a minuscule benefit, but nowhere near effectiveness to require people to wear them. This being said, the minuscule effectiveness depends on the mask being worn properly. Through covid, the vast majority of people wearing masks did not wear them properly. This includes the most fervent advocates of masks. Then take into account the idiotic rules put into place that were completely stupid with even a tiny modicum of common sense, like wearing a mask until you sit down to eat, because covid is discerning enough to not infect a person sitting versus fair game if they are walking to the table.
These authoritarians should be punished for their authoritarian acts and probably housed in a mental institute for lack of intelligence for their lack of common sense.
Whether masks work or not was NEVER the question! The question for this and all other similar issues was and still is: does a risk/benefit analysis justify a recommendation or a criminal mandate? Even if masks REDUCE the risk of transmission, does a mask mandate do more harm than good when taking ALL cost factors into account? Even if masks REDUCE transmission when used, do mask mandates result in mask USE? Etc. If you don't ask the right question, any answer you arrive at will be worse than useless ... it will be misleading.
Best case scenario for mask mandates, I think, is the Norwegian study which shows 6.9% of triple-ply mask wearers self-reported respiratory systems compared to 10.5% of non-mask wearers (over a 14-day period). So by wearing a mask, you improve your odds of not getting any respiratory symptoms by a whopping 3.6% (10.5% minus 6.9%).
And this is self-reported; obviously not blind. You can imagine that the pro-mask zealots in the experiment were much more likely to report symptoms if they were in the unmasked group vs. those in the masked group who would be likely to ignore any borderline symptoms.
"Whether masks work or not was NEVER the question! The question for this and all other similar issues was and still is: does a risk/benefit analysis justify a recommendation or a criminal mandate? Even if masks REDUCE the risk of transmission, does a mask mandate do more harm than good when taking ALL cost factors into account?"
It was THE question for a significant portion of the population. Mandates were a secondary question. People were interested in keeping themselves alive first. Similarly, mRNA vaccines were important for reducing hospitalizations and deaths and played only a small role in reducing the spread of infection during the 4 or 5 months after taking the vaccine. Scott Gottlieb did a good job of distinguishing between antibodies and T cells in that regard. Fauci did a poor job on this.
This became embarrassingly obvious when people started getting COVID multiple times AFTER having taken the vaccine. But most studies I have seen show that vaccines played a major role in reducing hospitalizations and deaths.
Did the vaccines do that or can we attribute much of that effect to the virus mutating over the course of a year into a less deadly form?
Hogwash. If you prescribe a treatment and it is "inconclusive" whether it worked or not, it didn't work.
There's a real world case study, between states with extended, strict mask mandates and states without. And there was no difference in mortality rates.
Yes, masks can slow "respiratory illnesses," but the diseases they are effective against are ones spread by fluid droplets, which are much larger than virus particles that spread COVID-19 (and hence not "like COVID-19". A paper or cloth mask (which 99% of people wore as their approved mask) is like trying to keep out mosquitoes with a chain link fence.
COVID-19 ramped up in the winter in cold states, when forced air heaters were running, and in the summer in warm states, when air conditioning systems were running. Early studies on planes and in offices showed the infections following the air flow, because it is an airborne contagion, not from spittle or snot that drops off after the magic 6 feet.