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Ukraine

Trump Pauses Military Aid to Ukraine

Plus: Tariffs go into effect, inside the fact-checker industrial complex, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 3.4.2025 9:30 AM

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Aid to Ukraine paused: Following his clash with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, President Donald Trump has decided to pause all military aid to Ukraine. "President Trump has been clear that he is focused on peace," a White House official told Reuters, speaking on the condition of anonymity. "We need our partners to be committed to that goal as well. We are pausing and reviewing our aid to ensure that it is contributing to a solution."

NEWS: Trump admin pausing and reviewing military aid to Ukraine

WH tells FOX "President Trump has been clear that he is focused on peace. We need our partners to be committed to that goal as well. We are pausing and reviewing our aid to ensure that it is contributing to a… https://t.co/QYKb31oHfh

— Jacqui Heinrich (@JacquiHeinrich) March 4, 2025

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"The official said the decision could be reversed if Zelensky demonstrates a good-faith effort to participate in peace talks," per The Washington Post. "Ukrainian officials have bristled that the Trump administration did not seek early buy-in on negotiations and were surprised by the decision to exclude them from last month's meeting between U.S. and Russian officials in Saudi Arabia."

This ain't it: A lot of the MAGA right is now acting like Zelenskyy is more villainous than he is in reality; I don't believe he wants a "never-ending graft meat grinder" so much as he wants to defend Ukraine's sovereignty and not be forced to redraw his country's borders every decade.

A much more defensible critique—lobbed his way by J.D. Vance in that now-infamous Oval Office meeting—is that Zelenskyy has a manpower problem, and his forcible conscription of military-aged men is wrong; that he has suspended certain press freedoms and ought to hold elections even during wartime; that he is fighting a losing battle at great cost to his people and that negotiating a deal that cedes some amount of territory is the best move he has available to him. It shouldn't be hard to engage in measured critiques, or to lob some criticism Europe's way, vs. impugning his motives.

Zelensky wants a forever war, a never-ending graft meat grinder. This is evil. https://t.co/FVaEkIm7Gq

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 3, 2025

One of the influencers to whom the Epstein binders were given chimed in with this:

Zelensky knows if the war ends, his power ends

Elections will resume and he'll lose

Then his adversary will investigate his money laundering and he'll be sent to prison

Zelensky is sending innocent Ukrainians to die in his meat grinder so he can stay in power

Dictator https://t.co/TU6s1gjr6f

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) March 3, 2025

"True," added Musk, quote-tweeting Draino. "As distasteful as it is, Zelensky should be offered some kind of amnesty in a neutral country in exchange for a peaceful transition back to democracy in Ukraine." As I said: There are lots of critiques of Zelenskyy that can reasonably be offered. This is something else entirely.

Still, for U.S. taxpayers who no longer want their money to be funding Ukraine, this pause—a drastic step toward reevaluating American support of Ukrainian defense—is surely welcome. But the souring of relations, without clear assurances that Europe will step up their support for Ukraine, makes Zelenskyy look pretty doomed to failure.

Tariffs go into effect: A month ago, Trump threatened to impose tariffs on Canada, Mexico, and China, ostensibly to punish all of them for their roles in allowing fentanyl to flow into the United States. At the time, Mexico and Canada successfully persuaded him to hold off until March, but he went ahead and imposed a 10 percent tax on imported goods from China.

Well, now it's March. Today, a 25 percent tariff on Mexican and Canadian goods went into effect, and the tariff on Chinese goods was raised from 10 percent to 20 percent. Canadian energy products will incur a 10 percent tariff.

Expect the prices of tons of goods to rise: Cars, computers, cellphones, avocados, tequila, lots of produce, beef, maple syrup, lumber. The easier thing to do might be to list the products that won't be affected.

Retaliatory tariffs have also been imposed. China announced "15% tariffs on chicken, wheat, corn, and cotton imports from the US" per CNN, as well as 10 percent on "sorghum, soybeans, pork, beef, aquatic products, fruits, vegetables, and dairy products."

Anyway, this is not good at all. Here's the only silver lining—a beautiful morsel of art:

I put the Curb Your Enthusiasm music to the stock market falling in real time as Trump announces his tariffs. My masterpiece lmao pic.twitter.com/syNwWAgIv2

— Armand Domalewski (@ArmandDoma) March 4, 2025

"Canada and Mexico accounted for 28 percent of all imports to the U.S. last year," Reason's Eric Boehm noted last week. "If the costs of Trump's tariffs are fully passed down the supply chain, consumers could be facing $225 billion in higher costs, according to an estimate by the American Action Forum (AAF). The energy and manufacturing sectors figure to be the hardest hit, thanks to the deeply integrated North American supply chains for products ranging from crude oil to critical minerals like cobalt and zinc." Not to mention: "Mexico is America's largest source of agricultural imports, according to the USDA. That includes 63 percent of U.S. vegetable imports and 47 percent of U.S. fruit and nut imports. All of that would be affected by the new tariffs. If Trump is hoping that Americans won't notice the consequences of higher tariffs, he's deluding himself."

For more on this, read Boehm's "Trump's Theory of Tariffs Makes No Sense."


Scenes from New York: New York City public schools have been rolling out their "black studies" curriculum—which teaches about the Black Panthers and has children read Ta-Nehisi Coates' "The Case for Reparations"—in likely defiance of the Trump administration's new rules barring diversity, equity, and inclusion–focused curricula.


QUICK HITS

  • "Earlier this year, Meta pulled the plug on its US fact-checking program. Google now refuses to add fact-checks to Search and YouTube. Nearly a decade of work—hundreds of millions of dollars spent, thousands of people hired—is gone, essentially overnight, and for good reason," writes Pirate Wires' Lauren Wagner. "My interviews with 20 trust and safety workers at Meta, TikTok, Snapchat, Google, and other major social media platforms reveal how a cottage industry of fact-checkers ballooned after 2016, bankrolled by tech companies' donations to nonprofit fact-checking networks. This fact-checking regime was not about truth. Instead, it evolved into a desperate stopgap and PR tactic that was doomed from the start." Relevant to this is the latest Just Asking Questions episode with Matt Taibbi:

  • Blood donor extraordinaire dies. The full story is really awesome, of a blood donor with antibodies in his blood that were able to help prevent hemolytic disease of the newborn (HDN), something that can cause stillbirth if untreated. Anyway, upon discovering these antibodies, he made it his mission to donate blood as often as possible.
  • "For all the talk about cutting government waste and fraud, the DOGE-Trump team seems mostly animated by rooting out leftist culture politics and its practitioners in Washington," writes Veronique de Rugy for Reason. "It feels that it is less about smaller government than it is about political transformation. While the two intersect, this strategy could fall short."
  • Andrew Cuomo, former governor of New York who is now running for mayor, ought to remain bedeviled by his twin scandals: Horrifyingly poor management of the state's COVID policy—including bad decisions about how to handle COVID-positive nursing home patients which allowed the virus to claim a far greater death toll than it otherwise would have—and groping, kissing, harassing, and asking to play strip poker with his many female aides. More from The Atlantic on how the pervy "love Gov" hopes to reinvent himself. (I, for one, hope he fails.)
  • lol:

"I'm a huge fan of Ronald Reagan but he was bad on trade," says Trump just now

— Charlie Spiering (@charliespiering) March 3, 2025

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   3 months ago

    Aid to Ukraine paused...

    In an ironic twist, due to not enough Ukrainian DEI.

    1. Overt   3 months ago

      "Just give us two weeks to flatten the (corruption) curve"

    2. Spiritus Mundi   3 months ago

      Clearly Pootin is winning. And that gives people a sad.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

      Best Bee of the month (and year to date):

      Trump Institutes Military Draft For Everyone With Ukraine Flag In Their Facebook Profile

    4. mad.casual   3 months ago

      The real reason the Donbas can't be allowed to fall back into Russian hands is the embarrassment and shame around all the failed commitments to move to Canada when Trump won.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   3 months ago

    Trump admin pausing and reviewing military aid to Ukraine...

    You know who else demanded an audit of public funds?

    1. Commenter_XY   3 months ago

      SecTreas Bessent?

    2. Medulla Oblongata   3 months ago

      https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2025/03/03/where-do-you-go-after-literally-hitler-n2652998

      A different news organization than the Associated Press gets to ask Trump questions. Hitler!

      Layout do-nothing government flunkies get asked to give five bullet points about what they’ve done in the last week to demonstrate their value to the American people. Hitler!

      He lets feminine euroweenies know that the United States is no longer going to pick up the tab for their national defense so they can focus on giving free stuff to Third World invaders even as they arrest their own people for the crime of speaking freely. Hitler!

      Elon lifted his right arm. Oh yeah, Hitler!

      Whatever. It’s all stupid, and it doesn’t work anymore if it ever worked at all. You can’t call Trump “Hitler” for the nearly ten years since he came down the escalator in the farthest thing ever from a Leni Riefenstahl rally and, after he fails to grow a tiny mustache, start wearing Hugo Boss uniforms and invade Poland, expect people to take it seriously. And people don’t care. It’s now just background noise. Trump is Hitler. What else is new? What else you got?

      “He’s Hitler” is a shorthand for leftist disapproval, much like the term “racist.” If you’re not a leftist – and sometimes if you are – you’re a racist. It’s not what you’ve done. It’s who you are. And the term is tossed around so promiscuously no one respects it. It doesn’t matter if you do thing X that they say is racist because you’re still going to be racist anyway. You can’t win. And when you can’t win, it’s not fair. And when it’s not fair, no one takes it seriously. It becomes a joke. No one cares.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

        This is a revealing moment in the devolution of our society. Most people now recognize the overt propaganda coming from the left, and at least some of their moral bankruptcy. So when somebody shouts "Hitler" or "racist" we know what they are up to. Watching how people respond tells us if they are true-believing fellow travelers.

        1. Overt   3 months ago

          HEY. It certainly is NOT my propaganda.

          1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

            Lol.

          2. mad.casual   3 months ago

            It certainly is NOT my propaganda.

            That sounds exactly like what someone overtly trying not to sound like Hitler would say. Shave your moustache.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

      No government employee ever?

    4. Vernon Depner   3 months ago

      Caesar Augustus?

  3. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

    New study of over 100k transitioned shows rates of depression and suicide go up post surgery.

    https://academic.oup.com/jsm/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/jsxmed/qdaf026/8042063?redirectedFrom=fulltext

    1. Idaho-Bob   3 months ago

      Transgender individuals face heightened psychological distress, including depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation, partly due to stigma and lack of gender affirmation.

      Sure they kill themselves, but it's the lack of DEI that's at fault.

      1. Social Justice is neither   3 months ago

        Maybe they're just more prone to dyslexia and are taking that as a command by their own activists.

        1. mad.casual   3 months ago

          Beware the IDEs of DEI.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

        Rather elegant admission that not going along with their narcissistic fantasy is what's really driving all of this.

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   3 months ago

      I believe the conclusion of the study was hahaha hahaha ha I told you it was a psychosis

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

        Sadly the conclusion was to invest in more mental health treatment post op.

        1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

          Exactly backwards. "We'll make you feel okay about maiming yourself and nothing changing".

        2. Spiritus Mundi   3 months ago

          Whatever keeps the money train rolling.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

            Money train AND throwing anointed victims into the volcano.

            1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   3 months ago

              Honestly, as long as they pay for it themselves, I don't care. We have enough people, and we can certainly make do without the insane ones.

        3. Overt   3 months ago

          The results are that transition did not work- directly refuting the assertions of many "experts" that folk like Chemjeff have extolled for the past year.

          Their analysis is that it might work if they just try harder. People can take or leave that, but it should be uncontroversial now that "Gender Affirming Care"- as recommended by many authorities in science- was measurably less successful than just giving people therapy to cope with their condition.

          1. Commenter_XY   3 months ago

            That phrase, 'gender affirming care', turns my stomach. It is a perfect illustration of how progressives perversely warp language.

            Gender affirming care is destroying their gender, or at least attempting to. Gender is immutable, you are XX or XY (or a rare variant thereof). Little wonder there are psychological problems and suicides.

            It is utter insanity.

            1. See.More   3 months ago

              Gender Sex is immutable...

              FIFY

              Gender is a linguistics terms mostly applicable to gendered languages (e.g. Spanish, German, etcetera) that have feminine, masculine, and neuter nouns.

              1. Overt   3 months ago

                Here is my problem: I actually agree with liberals on this. Gender, as opposed to Sex, is a cultural definition. What we see as the roles of women or men, how they present themselves to society and how they behave gets rolled up into a package that we can refer to as "Gender".

                And so, it is blatantly obvious that these noxious Liberals are trying to foist their culture on people unwillingly. Trying to convince my brood that their love of art makes them a girl or their love of baseball makes them a boy is an attempt to impose THEIR gender norms on my kid.

                Fuck that. These "Tolerant" liberals would be appalled if I started lecturing some muslim girl that it is an abomination to wear a hijab, and their attempts to define my daughter's gender by their conventions is equally appalling. This is especially true since it attempts to invert and erase decades of work that my wife, mother and other feminists spent resisting archaic notions like "Baseball is only for boys".

          2. See.More   3 months ago

            The results are that transition did not work- directly refuting the assertions of many "experts" that folk like Chemjeff have extolled for the past year...

            You are being generous if you assume that transitioning is actually about affirming whateverandso and "works" if the person feels better afterward. If, however, one takes the hypothesis that the real goal is to sterilize a significant number of people (a la eugenics) then it has been wildly successfully, regardless of the rates of depression and suicidal ideation.

    3. damikesc   3 months ago

      It is only logical.

      Until you complete transition, there is always the hope that the transition will fix your problems.

      When it does not, depression is 100% going to go up high. Your hope has been dashed.

      1. Randy Sax   3 months ago

        If you think "Hmm, I'm having a bum day. Better chop my dick off." you already a lost cause.

        1. D-Pizzle   3 months ago

          They very rarely "chop it off."

      2. Mike Parsons   3 months ago

        "It is only logical."

        Correct. The heart of the issue is deep sadness and not accepting themselves. Thinking there is a magic pill for such a thing, and then seeing that the pill doesnt exist, has to worsen things.

        The truly empathetic treatment would be for therapy aimed at accepting yourself, but this would be scoffed at as conversion therapy

        1. damikesc   3 months ago

          Indeed.

          Saying this, of course, means we "hate trannies". Not that humoring delusions is never a good idea. And fucking with the heads of youngsters is an unmitigated evil.

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   3 months ago

            True. I’m surprised Pedo Jeffy hasn’t threadjacked this discussion into a miserable pile of sophistry,

            1. Mike Parsons   3 months ago

              Like when he tried to defend CRT, he has been bitch slapped down so much he probably doesnt dare anymore.

              Parallel story arcs as well. Both times he used the same tired defenses of "not happening"--->"happening but its good", and it always relied on the same false premises that were pushed by the media, that have now been thoroughly debunked.

              The stuff Rufo and others put out basically fully disproved everything they were saying about CRT, and the Cass study (and now others) have done the same with the trans shit.

              So the stuff we all knew to be true through our lying eyes, turned out to be true, and he couldnt gaslight about it anymore with "muH ExPRTs!"

            2. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

              He’s too busy banging the war drum.

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

                "Child trannies for Ukraine!"

                1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

                  Let’s not give him any ideas.

        2. Overt   3 months ago

          We had to have a long talk with our daughter who was getting this nonsense in our schools, and from many acquaintances around her. After talking through this, I am convinced of a couple items:

          1) You are right. This is about accepting yourself. Maybe you are too tall, maybe you have pimples, or you are otherwise awkward. Rather than loving yourself, these people are teaching kids that the answer can only come from knives and drugs.

          2) Most kids who go into this are basically LARPing cos-players. I have now silently watched as four girls (!!) went through this trans nuttery in my community. My kid has shared her text messages with them. This is all fantasy role playing. "You're gay" "No I'm not, I'm pan-sexual. You must be non-binary!" These are 12 year olds trying on new personas at the bequest of teachers and counselors.

          None of them showed any signs of masculine traits- all of them loved makeup and dressing girly and doing girly things. But all of them had some sort of awkward problem (early puberty, weight issues, bullying). Trying on these new personas was a way for them to escape their troubles and get a bunch of lavish attention from activists in their schools. It also allowed them to weaponize their condition against enemies.

          3) The kids going through these problems have almost all reverted back to being just girls. It's sad, because some took drugs and one of them has a deeper voice as a result.

          4) Parents sit by and let this happen at their peril. When these acquaintances started pushing their claptrap on our daughter we had to react very quickly. We told our daughter that in our house, girls climb trees, play sports and do other masculine things. But they are still girls. We accept her for anything she does (as long as it isn't harmful) and whether she dislikes dresses, is attracted to boys or girls, she is still our daughter and will be forever.

          On the other hand, I have talked with a couple parents of these girls, and while some are zealots pushing their kids into gender affirming care, others (sometimes their spouses) are dismayed that their cultural gender traditions are being overwritten by gender archetypes invented by some Queer Studies Philosophers in Washington.

          1. Mike Parsons   3 months ago

            "lavish attention from activists in their schools. It also allowed them to weaponize their condition against enemies."

            You hit it right there. 2 very key elements as to why its so popular.

            Take a kid that is unhappy, not fitting in, having problems. You know what makes them feel happy? An excuse. You arent happy because you are just different/special and society doesn't understand or accept you. And this is in a culture where victimhood has been made into a currency, so even better.

            Add to that, the activist community, in a cult like fashion, recruits by love bombing. They are miserable, and they want company. So they sell this life as brave, unapologetic, and show you all the fake happiness and kudos that happen on Reddit, and dont tell you that in the real world no one gives a shit about your issues, they want you to show up to work, STFU about yourself, and not weird out the customers.

            1. Overt   3 months ago

              Even moreso, by adopting this mantel, they immediately fit in.

              People in Red States or who don't have children think I am exaggerating when I tell them what is happening in these schools. These "LGBTQ Alliance Clubs" lure kids into them under the guise that it is natural to stick up to bullies. But in the clubs they are taught to roleplay these personas and get lavish attention- being told they were so "natural" in that persona that maybe there is more there. They are told to go through performative acts like writing essays, roleplaying in "bullying re-enactments", and drawing art depictions showing them as different people.

              Some of the most successful interrogators in Vietnam converted soldiers to communism using basically these same tactics. "Look, I know you are loyal, but I want you to write an essay talking about one thing you disagree about with capitalism. Certainly there is one thing..." And then suddenly these soldiers see all their colleagues writing, reading, acting out these criticisms of the West and within weeks many of them are selling out their country.

              1. Mike Parsons   3 months ago

                " through performative acts like writing essays, roleplaying in "bullying re-enactments", and drawing art depictions showing them as different people."

                Im pretty sure you just described like 99% of what has come out of hollywood writers rooms, with woke weirdos writing self insert empowerment fan fiction

              2. Square = Circle   3 months ago

                People in Red States or who don't have children think I am exaggerating when I tell them what is happening in these schools.

                ^

                I'm in the SF Bay Area and my main takeaway from your experience is surprise that you only know four girls who are doing this.

                The funny thing is that this is so transparently "girl-trend" behavior, but none of them can seem to see it, because they're all too busy finding things about themselves that prove how trans they are, never noticing that all their friends are girls, and that most everything they like to do, especially the sitting around supporting and encouraging each other in their identities, is really girly.

                Meanwhile, for the most part the boys are still running in circles and banging their heads into walls, totally ignoring all of this.

                1. See.More   3 months ago

                  Meanwhile, for the most part the boys are still running in circles and banging their heads into walls, totally ignoring all of this.

                  The few that aren't, I suspect, are simply cos-playing being a girl to get some cheap thrills in the girls' locker room.

                  1. Overt   3 months ago

                    I know of at least one boy that I, and pretty much all of his friends, suspect is gay. The question is whether he will just accept this about himself (absolutely no one on California will care if he does) or if he will progress to cutting his dick off (which will be cheered on by many, who will promptly ignore him when he realizes he has ruined his sexual capacity for the rest of his life).

                    1. D-Pizzle   3 months ago

                      Again, the vast majority of "transgender women" are anatomically intact.

            2. Overt   3 months ago

              "So they sell this life as brave, unapologetic, and show you all the fake happiness and kudos"

              I'll also note that one of the families have been long time friends- and their kid went this route. She has always been a pushy kid, trying to tell others what to do. I always found it annoying but also could respect her for trying to lead. Evidently, kids at her elementary did not like it at all and she was being bullied pretty hard by the end of 6th grade. At her middle school she adopted this persona to become a "Him" and the bullying stopped.

              I think that's bad, but I still love this family and had no interest in fighting with them over their kid. Right up until that kid started pushing this BS on my daughter. Then we hit the fan and had to tell their parents to back their kid off. I told them that their kid telling my daughter she was non-binary was no different than my daughter hassling a girl for wearing a hijab. Gender is cultural and they can follow whatever culture they want as long as they live my child alone.

          2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

            I guess in your social circle, having a trans kid is not the coolest thing.

            1. Mike Parsons   3 months ago

              Ya, same with mine.

              If you said "my kid is trans" in pretty much any of the circles I hang out in, it would be met with a quiet, polite, "ahhh ok....hows that going..." that is well understood to be a PC version of "oh shit, so sorry for your loss"

              Fortunately enough people still realize this is a serious mental condition, not something to be celebrated as a trophy

              1. Overt   3 months ago

                I am in an area that used to be conservative but has trended pretty liberal in the past decade. This was largely accomplished by the initial liberal invaders enforcing drastic cancel culture on people who dare to say "bigoted" things like, "I don't think it is right for kids to take drugs that permanently affect their body".

                As I noted above, among the families I have seen go through this, two have confided with me how terrified they are. One, the husband had to divorce the wife and take the kids to keep her from drugging his daughter. The second, the husband has given me the "Please help" signs many times, but he is afraid to stand up to his wife.

                So around here, there is plenty of signaling that being trans is "Brave and cool". And that is because the people who would push back are scared shitless.

    4. Mike Parsons   3 months ago

      Unfortunately it seems the conclusion they took was "its good for affirming gender, but needs better therapy after"

      which is...not great. Just expanding the medical service pipeline

    5. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

      Rates of depression increase in general as people embrace leftist ideology. If trannies represent the ultimate left wing, then they should proudly display their insanity.

    6. MollyGodiva   3 months ago

      Did you read the whole article?

      1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

        Tell us again about how gaslighting gay teens into thinking they are girls and chopping off their junk, is a good thing, Tony.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

          Part of Tony's emotional wreckage is the need for other people to be like him.

      2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

        Yes. I pulled out the important part and threw away the bullshit social/political part.

      3. Uilleam   3 months ago

        If you just read the whole article then you'll understand how important this is!
        If you just chop your body parts off you won't be depressed anymore!

        Same.

      4. soldiermedic76   3 months ago

        Why? Did you need him to read it to you, also?

    7. Mickey Rat   3 months ago

      Of course, the progressive response is that is the fault of "society" for not accepting them as being a member of the sex they transitioned to. In other words, the problem is with the world, not what is going on their heads.

    8. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   3 months ago

      Apparently, the tendency to commit homicide does as well.

    9. Eeyore   3 months ago

      100k? Just how many people have transitioned?

      1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 months ago

        Zero.

        1. mad.casual   3 months ago

          Evidently far, far less than zero.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   3 months ago

    The official said the decision could be reversed if Zelensky demonstrates a good-faith effort to participate in peace talks...

    I thought Trump had adopted a "who let you in here?" approach to Ukraine with regard to their participation in peace negotiations.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 months ago

      Only losers wait to be seated?

    2. Mickey Rat   3 months ago

      Trumpnis willing to sacrifice the Ukrainians for peace. How dare the sacrifice object.

    3. Medulla Oblongata   3 months ago

      Reuters:

      Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky acknowledged on Tuesday his Oval Office blowout with President Trump and JD Vance was “regrettable” and said his war-torn country is ready to negotiate a peace deal with Russia in response to the new pause on all U.S. military aid.

      “Our meeting in Washington, at the White House on Friday, did not go the way it was supposed to be. It is regrettable that it happened this way. It is time to make things right. We would like future cooperation and communication to be constructive,” Zelensky posted on X.

      “I would like to reiterate Ukraine’s commitment to peace,” Zelensky continued.

      “None of us wants an endless war. Ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting peace closer. Nobody wants peace more than Ukrainians. My team and I stand ready to work under President Trump’s strong leadership to get a peace that lasts.”

      1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

        BUT ORANGE MAN BAD!!!!

        1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   3 months ago

          Because he shows people what's hiding in the box labeled "Find Out"?

  5. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

    Washington state advances bill to allow Seattle to undo elections for sheriff's they don't like, undoing elections.

    https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/house-committee-advances-bill-allowing-state-agencies-decertify-elected

    1. Medulla Oblongata   3 months ago

      Gotta protect (D)emocracy.

      1. damikesc   3 months ago

        I'm getting the impression that the Dems aren't as fond of democracy as they claim.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

          Just in: 9 out of 10 Democrats hate actual freedom.

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   3 months ago

            Your only real freedoms are through the chains of socialism which bind us all, comrade.

          2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

            Making the 1/10 look bad.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

      And Democrats have the audacity to call us fascists!?!

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

        Alinsky smiles.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

      It's instructive that the marxists have fully taken off the mask now and are just openly stating that they feel entitled to have perpetual political power regardless of what their subjects think.

      Every politician that supports something like this needs to be shoved through a woodchipper.

    4. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

      The EU nods in agreement.

    5. MollyGodiva   3 months ago

      That is not what the article says. It is about imposing uniform rules on all elected sheriffs.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

        If only you had reading comprehension skills that could outmatch your penchant for ignorance.

      2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

        It is what the article says dumbass. Stop gaslighting.

        1. Spiritus Mundi   3 months ago

          Even if what MG says was true, it isn't a good thing.

      3. Uilleam   3 months ago

        That is exactly what it says. "imposing uniform rules on all elected sheriffs" is the talking point, you tool.

      4. soldiermedic76   3 months ago

        Best get in line for your pudding. You don't want to miss out like you did last week.

  6. Fist of Etiquette   3 months ago

    A lot of the MAGA right is now acting like Zelenskyy is more villainous than he is in reality...

    He's either profiting from this war or in over his head. I'm fine leaning toward the latter.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

      The fact that he acted that way, there and then, says he's seriously in water well out of his depth.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

        I’ll concur. Zelensky is in way over his head and pay grade here. And he’s not smart enough to realize it.

        1. Uilleam   3 months ago

          Zelensky is a tool

    2. Kungpowderfinger   3 months ago

      …that he (Zelensky) has suspended certain press freedoms…

      That’s an interesting way to put it.

      1. damikesc   3 months ago

        Trump is evil for removing the AP from certain events. Zelensky is a civil rights hero for outright suppressing media voices.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

          Party uber alles.

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

          He's just imitating his left-liberal puppet masters, especially the election-canceling vermin in the EU.

          Everyone needs to bear in mind that Zelensky has NEVER been in charge of Ukraine. The manlet is a literal actor playing a role that Victoria Nuland assigned to him. His entire station is dependent on being propped up by the Atlantic Council in its ongoing effort to break Russia up into a bunch of separate federated states that they can then exploit for its natural resources.

          He's over his head, but that's mainly because his puppet masters are over theirs, and are now desperately trying to keep their populations from getting restless enough to actually overthrow them by clamping down hard on speech and literally overturning elections that don't have the desired outcome.

          This all boils down to the EU trying to keep the US handcuffed to Europe, because as long as they can do that, they can continue strong-arming other countries by threatening to use US resources to put those countries in their place. It's basically the equivalent of a school bully who happens to be friends with the biggest, baddest guy on the playground and can use that guy to beat the shit out of anyone who pushes back against the bullying.

          1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

            ^

          2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

            +1

          3. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

            What's particularly notable about Zelensky's administration is that his cabinet is almost entirely made up of his buddies from the entertainment industry--former comedians, comedy writers, and entertainment lawyers.

            It would be like if Martin Sheen actually ran for President and put Aaron Sorkin in charge of the State Department and Rob Lowe in charge of Defense.

            People bashing on Trump for his staff's supposed lack of experience can't hold a candle to Zelensky's coterie of literal clowns. It's just further evidence that he's not the one who's actually running the country.

            1. Commenter_XY   3 months ago

              Red, here is another point to consider (Liz Wolfe evidently hasn't).

              UKR is one of the most corrupt countries in Europe, surpassed only by Russia. Does anyone think Zelenskyy is some kind of ukranian version of George Washington, and pure as the driven snow? AYFKM? And you think the generals under him are not corrupt?

              Zelenskyy never intended to sign the deal. It isn't just security guarantees. Part of this is that whole corrupt AF crowd is trying to securely guarantee their gravy train.

              One can forgive Liz Wolfe's youth and inexperience (naivete?).

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

                It's not even just the corruption. It's one of the main hubs in Europe for child prostitution and human trafficking.

                Biden didn't just have Hunter on the board of Burisma to get American contacts in place to exploit Ukrainian energy reserves and give him part of the skim, he did it so Hunter would have easier access to a state-sponsored hooker pool to get his jollies in his off-duty time.

                1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

                  “It's one of the main hubs in Europe for child prostitution and human trafficking.”

                  Now we’re getting to the bottom of why Warmonger Jeffy is all up in arms.

              2. Mickey Rat   3 months ago

                And Ukraine will never get rid of its corruption if it falls back into Russia's orbit. It will never improve its government if it is dominated by the Rusuan oligarchy.

          4. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   3 months ago

            Can we hand Nuland and crew over to Putin in exchange for settling for the historically Russian bits of Ukraine territory?

            Can we send them even if he won't take that deal?

    3. Overt   3 months ago

      A couple points that I might as well leave here:

      1) Wolfe seems to act like she knows what is going through Zelensky's head. She doesn't. I tend to think her analysis of his motives is closer to the truth, but that doesn't mean either of us is right.

      2) Acting like it is beyond the pale to suggest much darker motives for Zelensky is moral posturing and ad hominem. She is not arguing the facts, she is arguing that certain types of speech are out of bounds. This urge to scream, "You can't say that!" needs to stop. If Musk or other people are wrong, then put up your evidence. Don't criticize it merely for the implications.

      3) Indeed, I think there is a mix of motives here. By all accounts Zelensky was ready to sue for peace in the few months after the war. He'd have given up claims on land that he never really controlled anyways, and Russia would have been clearly humiliated. But the UK (supported by Biden) jumped in to sabotage those negotiations because they wanted Russia bleeding dry in Ukraine. Reports are that the UK and US told him that they would not guarantee the security of Ukraine unless Zelensky kept fighting.

      Now, in order to save Ukraine, Zelensky has succumbed to the Ring of Power. He has empowered oligarchs in his country that are corrupt AF. He has stopped elections. He has censored and imprisoned his opponents. He has begun dragging young men off the street and pressing them into service. Those actions- whether his motives were noble or not- will come with consequences when he is no longer in power, and he very likely is concerned about that.

      At the start of this war, Zelensky sold his soul to the globalist warmongers who wanted to bleed Russia Dry. I'm sure he thought he was doing his best to save his country, but now he is finding that he didn't actually save his country- just permanently enslaved it to the control of these globalist warmongers. He has sold out his integrity so much that without those benefactors, his own life is in jeopardy.

      But the fact is, Zelensky cannot beat Russia unless he somehow gets NATO to put their troops on the ground. And nothing short of "beating Russia" will save him for his crimes. And this is plainly obvious to anyone paying attention- his every move for the past year has been to provoke Russia to retaliate harder and harder until NATO feels obligated to intervene.

      Contrary to Liz's opinion, this needs to be discussed. Because if I am right, Zelensky in fact has to accept that his destiny is no longer linked with Ukraines. He has to chose his neck or Ukraine's.

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 months ago

        But the fact is, Zelensky cannot beat Russia unless he somehow gets NATO to put their troops on the ground.

        Riiiiiight...so foreign troops aren't doing the fighting. Good to known.

        1. Overt   3 months ago

          Good catch. I amend my statement:

          "But the fact is, Zelensky cannot beat Russia unless he somehow gets NATO to put conventional military forces officially on the ground."

          1. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 months ago

            Exactly what I said yesterday. Glad we are in agreement today.

            1. Overt   3 months ago

              No it isn't. You said that a key difference between the Vietnam war and Ukrainian war- that excuses the Press treating it different is that Americans were fighting in the former and not the latter.

              Americans are absolutely fighting in the Ukrainian war- just not officially. Which, by the way, also happened in much of the Vietnam war, when the press was far more harsh on the Vietnamese government than they are on Ukrainians today.

              1. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 months ago

                No I said that a difference from SVA was - Foreign troops aren't doing the fighting. Which is true.

                Didn't say anything about the press or elections. Didn justify or protect Zelensky over his ending press freedoms or elections. Only that by there own deeds, they seem willing to fight otherwise we'd have seen mass surrenders.

        2. Ron   3 months ago

          Afganistan kicked the Russians out and kept the U.S. at bay so i guess Ukraine can stand without our troops as well. Ukraine can but it will take years and lots of death and more hatred.

          1. soldiermedic76   3 months ago

            Afghanistan, aided by billions of dollars from the Middle East and the CIA kicked the Soviets out. Fixed that for you. Also, Afghanistan is a lot easier country to defend than Ukraine. Ukraine is all Steppe Land. Afghanistan is mostly mountainous and undeveloped, and multi-ethnic. It's comparing apples to oysters (not even oranges).

            1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

              Yeah, Afghanistan has been unconquerable since at least Alexander.

              1. soldiermedic76   3 months ago

                Not so much unconcquerable, as it's been conquered plenty of times (arguably we conquered it in 2001-02), but extremely hard to govern after conquest. That's the same problem Alexander had as well. And Afghanistan has almost never had a strong central government of its own either. It's largely a country only because, as Sir Terry Pratchett said (paraphrased), cartographers hate empty spaces on a map without a name.

                1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

                  I don't consider holing yourself behind walls while never actually defeating the native forces, who are still able to move about much of the country, and then overrun the capital so quickly as you withdraw that there's people hanging off the last plane is conquering someone.

                  It was less fun for Alexander's troops, as they spent the winters in tents.

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   3 months ago

        Liz's Z crush is kinda weird.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

          Must be his uniform.

      3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   3 months ago

        If Zelensky is smart, he already hid a billion or two and his bug out bag ready to go. With a travel destination somewhere he can safely live in exile.

    4. Minadin   3 months ago

      It can't be both?

    5. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

      He’s not THAT villainous. I mean sure, he’s shut down churches, taken control of all media, suspended elections, is conscripting every male he can, and is probably laundering our money, but he’s really not THAT villainous.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

        BUT HE DID THAT ONLY TO PROTECT DEMOCRACY!

    6. soldiermedic76   3 months ago

      Zelensky best watch his back. If things get bad enough (and I think they will soon) he may find all those men he's kidnapped off the streets to fight a hopeless war will come looking for him. I give better than even odds that Ukraine is headed for a military coup.

      1. Commenter_XY   3 months ago

        It will be a while (months), but very possible.

      2. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

        I half expected him to leave the press conference Friday and head straight to his hideaway.

      3. windycityattorney   3 months ago

        Finish your thought. Ukraine has military coup and then... surrenders to Russia??

        Why is it just assumed that the people of Ukraine want to be a Russian puppet state? That they trust Putin? That they don't vehemently hate Russia for the last 3yrs?

        You people are delusional circle jerking each other over how bad Zelensky is for taking drastic war time measures due to being invaded by a much larger and better equipped nation state as if the alternative isn't a murderous dictator who also wants to pillage their land for resources? The Ukranians have no agency of their own apparently. How fucking convenient. I am sure they will simply forgive all the death, rapes, destruction Russian caused in no time.

        1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

          Nobody believes you’re an attorney.

        2. soldiermedic76   3 months ago

          Tell me you know nothing about history without saying you know nothing about history. Fuck, you're a moron. After you've seen to many of your friends dying in a war you know you can't win, and one you didn't volunteer to fight in but were forced to fight in, you stop worrying about who is and isn't going to win, just like the Eastern Front in 1917.

          1. soldiermedic76   3 months ago

            The Huns are on Mother Russian soil, the soldiers will never abandon the fight.
            *narrator's voice: but the soldiers did give up the fight. They just wanted to go home and didn't care who won the war anymore.

        3. Diarrheality   3 months ago

          I'll stop laughing when you trade your Ukrainian flag for a rifle and a ticket to Donetsk. Until then, shut the fuck up.

  7. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

    Jewish journalist, sorry ma'am but you're not a random south Texas blogger, arrested for taking picture of employee wearing a keffiyeh for Palestine at grocery store.

    https://pjmedia.com/catherinesalgado/2025/03/03/jewish-journo-was-arrested-for-criticizing-keffiyeh-wearing-grocery-employee-n4937511

    1. damikesc   3 months ago

      She might be here legally. I think the blogger is not. So, OBVIOUSLY, the illegal has greater rights.

  8. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

    California pondering going full venezuela.

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2025/03/california-policymakers-ponder-state-ownership-of-oil-refineries/

    1. damikesc   3 months ago

      I told my wife that when I saw that story.

      Do these people not know the world exists?

      Up next: Land appropriation "where appropriate".

    2. Randy Sax   3 months ago

      "No hay gasolina" sign makers win big.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

        So? All the righteous people in California drive Teslas, er, other brand EVs, right?

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3eC35LoF4U

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

      "Socialism is not socialism!"

      1. Ron   3 months ago

        socialism becomes full on communism. If teh state takes over oil production there will be shortages such that fire trucks and ambulances wont be able to even leave the station

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

          But Democrats will still tell us that what they are doing is not socialism.

    4. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   3 months ago

      Trump should be pondering martial law for California if they do this.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

        Not necessary. Just round up the "subversive" anti-government leaders. That's what the left would do.

        Of course, I presume that California still has enough sensible people. I might be wrong, especially in coastal counties.

        1. Square = Circle   3 months ago

          I presume that California still has enough sensible people.

          It does. A big part of our problem is that Republicans have completely given up on CA. I can't remember the last time they ran a serious campaign for any significant office.

          1. Stuck in California   3 months ago

            SO much this.

            Look at how the Newsome recall went. Nobody -- NOBODY -- likes that dude around here. I don't even think they like him anywhere, but Los Angeles and the Bayarea will vote blue regardless of who is on the ticket.

            During the recall, the massively unpopular governor was able to frame it all as "Don't let this stupid talk show host into office" with absolutely no push back because Ds own the media. The republicans could easily have made it a much more consequential recall. Probably wouldn't have won it, but at least could have framed it better, maybe boosted a genuine alternative like Faulkener or at the very least used it to highlight Newsome's misdeeds.

            Nope. Just let it burn. Not only that, let Newsome pretend it was a mandate so he could double down on his progressive nonsense. They don't care.

            For those not educated in this state's politics, note that, before Jerry Brown, the last Democrat governor to serve a full term was... Jerry Brown in the 70s. It wasn't until the Obama years that the Ds got the complete supermajority and the San Francisco progressive view got forced on the rest of the state.

      2. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   3 months ago

        Why not just let the Californians suffer what they have voted for?

        But to make sure they feel really virtuous, he should encourage power plants in surrounding states to only sell CA "renewable" energy. No nuclear, no fossil fuels.

      3. D-Pizzle   3 months ago

        "They bought the plane tickets, they knew the risks. I say, Let them crash."

    5. mad.casual   3 months ago

      "Ayn Rand's subplots are implausible and her spineless, shiftless antagonistic characters are too one-dimensional (let's make them more realistic)!"

      1984... Atlas Shrugged... it's like they had an AI compile a to do list using the antagonists of speculative political fiction.

  9. Commenter_XY   3 months ago

    @LizWolfe....Some other undemocratic actions by the Golden Boy Zelenskyy in UKR.

    We have closure of much of the press; and,
    Shutdowns of russian orthodox churches (and arrest of their priests).

    The onus is on Zelenskyy to make amends with The Donald. The man acted stupidly and made a huge own goal.

  10. Fist of Etiquette   3 months ago

    ...he wants to defend Ukraine's sovereignty and not be forced to redraw his country's borders every decade.

    I hate the idea of appeasing that fuck Putin, but unless Europe wants to really pitch in here I don't see an alternative. America can no longer afford to be Earth's military, defense contractors be damned.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   3 months ago

      https://global.espreso.tv/russia-ukraine-war-tusk-500-million-europeans-ask-300-million-americans-to-protect-them-from-140-million-russians

      Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk stated this before departing for London on Sunday for an informal meeting of European leaders, as reported by an Ukrinform correspondent.

      "Today, the situation is complex because, by standing with Ukraine in the interest of our national security, we, Poles, are simultaneously firm advocates of the closest possible alliance between Poland, Europe, and the entire West with the United States," Tusk stressed.

      He acknowledged that Washington's current position on the war in Ukraine "is not as unequivocal" as Warsaw's stance.

      In this regard, he emphasized that this dilemma must be resolved, and Poland, with its reputation as a reliable ally in Europe and the U.S., which allocates the most funds for defending European borders, "has a unique position, and its voice will be heard even more."

      Tusk stressed that Poland will continue supporting Ukraine while simultaneously deepening relations with the U.S. "despite the challenging circumstances."

      He stated that Poland must have an "additional insurance policy" in the form of strengthening its national and European defense capabilities. He believes that Europe "must take greater responsibility for the continent's security."

      "This is a paradox, listen to how it sounds: 500 million Europeans ask 300 million Americans to protect them from 140 million Russians. If you know how to count, rely on yourself," Tusk emphasized.

      The Polish prime minister stressed that Europe currently suffers from a "deficit of imagination and courage."

      He pointed out that the European countries' army, together with Ukraine, consists of 2.6 million soldiers, while the U.S. has 1.3 million, China 2 million, and Russia 1.1 million.

      "Europe has an advantage over everyone," Tusk stated.

      He added that the same applies to fighter jets: Europe, together with Ukraine, has 2,091, the U.S. has 1,456, China 1,409, and Russia 1,224.

      "Europe, together with Ukraine, has twice as many combat aircraft as Russia," the Polish prime minister emphasized.

      He also noted that together with Ukraine, Europe has 14,400 artillery systems, while the U.S. has 5,000, China 9,500, and Russia 5,157.

      "There is nothing even to compare. As I said: the deficit lies in the inability to understand that Europe has the potential to be a great power," the Polish prime minister stressed.

      He added that Europe must wake up and take the protection of the continent seriously.

      "Today, we all loudly declare: peace through strength. A strong and well-armed Europe that believes in its strength and is ready to defend its borders is a Europe that can guarantee peace not through Ukraine’s capitulation, but thanks to its own united strength," the Polish prime minister emphasized.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

        Europe was more fun when they invented their own little wars and killed each other for territory every 10 years.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

          The last thing these people want is to see their 35-year long holiday from history come to an end.

        2. soldiermedic76   3 months ago

          There's still some Bourbons, Hapsburgs and Hohenzellerns hanging around, claiming to be heirs to their respective thrones. Hell, there's even a Bonaparte who's claiming to be the heir to the Emperor (actually there is a dispute as to who the title actually belongs to). Between those three (or four) houses, when they had power, you almost guaranteed a war at least once a generation. And they can hardly be more autocratic than the current leadership of the EU.

    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 months ago

      1. We can keep all assets we froze as a repayment for the aid we promised and delivered to Russia as a condition for honoring the sovereignty of former soviet states. That is a no brainer, unless your Obama and give pallets of gold out.

      2. We and the rest of the West can make the choice to no longer give Russia access to Western markets. For USA, Congrees will need to pass laws in that regard.

      3. Lastly we can send mean tweets every now and then there way. A faith worst then death or so I'm told.

      Don't need continuously pay for a war to not appease Putin.

    3. Minadin   3 months ago

      They never should have let Russia take their nukes away. It seems like an easy call in hindsight, but we encouraged them at the time.

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 months ago

        Having the Soviet nuclear arsenal end up on the black market isn't an easy call even in hindsght certainly from USA prospective.

  11. Medulla Oblongata   3 months ago

    I still think the Canada/Mexico tariffs are the whip and not a goal in and of themselves. Trump threatened them early, gave both countries a brief respite because they made noises about doing the things Trump wants them to do, thinking they can just keep side-stepping the issues. And now Trump is calling them on it.

    So much "red line in the sand" policy over the years has been met with diplomatic smirks. The tariffs may be stupid economics and cause some short-term pain on US citizens wallets, but they might also not last long if Canada & Mexico play ball.

    1. Randy Sax   3 months ago

      What exactly is "play ball" in this scenario? For Mexico, allow US troops to fight the cartels? For Canada, give US control of the northwest passage? Can you elaborate?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

        For Canada, it’s stopping the flow of fentanyl and controlling immigration.

        1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

          This.

          The problem is Trudeau doesn't want to stop the flow of fentanyl and wants his party to fight the upcoming election on tariffs.

          If Trump wants Trudeau to actually think this is a bad thing, he needs to do something that will hurt Justin, Freeland and Carney directly.

          Right now Trudeau couldn't be happier.

          1. Ska   3 months ago

            It's a weird position for a libertarian - to believe that a government, anywhere, is going to stop illegal drug smuggling.

            If drugs can't be controlled in a closed environment like prison, how does one believe drugs can be controlled in something as vast and comparatively open as an entire country's worth of geography?

            1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

              It's a little different than that.

              Trudeau is handing out fentanyl lite to Canadian junkies for free, as part of his oxymoronic 'safe supply' gambit. The cartels are taking it from the junkies in exchange for a tiny bit of the harder stuff and shipping it down to the states. This is literally Canadian government fentanyl.

              1. Alberto Balsalm   3 months ago

                The cartels are taking it from the junkies in exchange for a tiny bit of the harder stuff and shipping it down to the states.

                You got a cite? Seriously interested

      2. damikesc   3 months ago

        I'd settle for them to kill off their tariffs. Trump's early first term offer of us having zero tariffs if anybody else joins us is the best option.

        1. Randy Sax   3 months ago

          Soooo, NAFTA?

          1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

            NAFTA had a lot of limits and tariffs... not sure of serious.

            Those "free trade" bills are just agreements to set tariffs, import caps, etc.

            1. Randy Sax   3 months ago

              NAFTA wasn't perfect. But it did lift existing tariffs on the majority of goods.
              If you will allow me to rephrase;
              Sooo, a free trade deal?

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

                NAFTA wasn't zero tariffs, though.

                An actual "free trade agreement" would have no tariffs whatsoever. That's not NAFTA.

              2. damikesc   3 months ago

                I want a FREE trade deal.

                Not a managed one.

                If a country has tariffs on us, which Canada and Mexico very much do, then we need to tariff them in return.

              3. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

                It literally included negotiated tariffs and the ultimate tariff, import and export caps.

      3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

        My wishes:

        Mexico stops being a Marxist narco-state.

        Canada stops being a DEI WEF outpost.

      4. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

        Mexico has actually started arresting some cartel members. Not sure if it’s just a token effort or legitimate yet. We’ll see.

    2. MollyGodiva   3 months ago

      Tariffs are not something you impose as a bargaining chip. They are to deal with trade imbalances. And they do a poor job at that.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

        Are you always this stupid, or are you just showing off here?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

          Do you think Tony wears a frilly dress when posting as Molly?

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

            Probably with a pink bra and pink panties.

      2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

        False.

  12. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

    This ain't it: A lot of the MAGA right is now acting like Zelenskyy is more villainous than he is in reality; I don't believe he wants a "never-ending graft meat grinder" so much as he wants to defend Ukraine's sovereignty and not be forced to redraw his country's borders every decade.

    Million dead. No elections. Arresting priests and journalists. Forced conscription. Tens of billions missing. Known fraud and corruption.

    Not the hero you want to defend Liz.

    You're allowed to criticize him.

    1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 months ago

      His motive may be noble and his actions evil.

      Every evil leader in history thought himself noble

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

        Every evil leader in history thought himself noble

        I think this should be repeated and remembered always. They never think of themselves as evil, be it Stalin, Hitler, or some small time idiot like Zelensky.

        1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 months ago

          It explains 140 years of Progressivism in its entirety

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   3 months ago

      Zelensky is an angel, you know like licifer

    3. MollyGodiva   3 months ago

      I am always going to be on the side of those defending their homes over the ones conducting a war of aggression.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

        So, uh, Molly, what’s your opinion on the Vietnam War?

        1. Mickey Rat   3 months ago

          That is a hell of more complicated issue than you think is, as the Vietnam War ended by North Vietnam invading and conquering South Vietnam. Not to mention the Ho Chi Minh regime being beholden to a totalitarian ideology.

        2. MollyGodiva   3 months ago

          Good question. The Vietnam war was far more complex and had more players than Ukraine. By the time the US entered the conflict Vietnam was 5 years into a clusterfuck attempt by the French to install their favored government. In theory I do support the free world defending a country from an invader, but I am on the fence about Vietnam.

          1. TrickyVic (old school)   3 months ago

            "" In theory I do support the free world defending a country from an invader,"'

            Like when we liberated Kuwait back in 1991?

          2. soldiermedic76   3 months ago

            Of course you support other people fighting and dying, as long as you don't have to. People like my son and nephews. But I doubt you even know anyone who is serving, so it's all abstract to you.

      2. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

        What does this even mean?

        1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

          That Molly is retarded.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

            That’s pretty much a given.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

              But Dunning-Kruger!

          2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   3 months ago

            It’s really Tony, so….. yeah. Completely retarded.

      3. Spiritus Mundi   3 months ago

        I am always going to be opposed to using corrupt regimes to fight proxy wars against the 'wrong' side .

      4. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

        Then go fight over there.

        I'm sure they could use some fake PhDs as a meat shield.

      5. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

        I am always going to be on the side of those defending their homes over the ones conducting a war of aggression.

        Glad to see you support cutting off the flow of immigrants into the US.

      6. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 months ago

        Have you spoken to anyone from the Donbass then? You might be surprised

      7. Gaear Grimsrud   3 months ago

        So you support the repatriation of the Donbas Russians that Ukraine waged an unprovoked war on?

        1. Mickey Rat   3 months ago

          The parts of Ukraime Russia subverted?

          1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

            Cite?

    4. mad.casual   3 months ago

      A lot of the MAGA right is now acting like Zelenskyy is more villainous than he is in reality; I don't believe he wants a "never-ending graft meat grinder"

      Now do Nixon and Johnson.

  13. Fist of Etiquette   3 months ago

    Then his adversary will investigate his money laundering and he'll be sent to prison...

    You know who else ended investigations by being president?

  14. Social Justice is neither   3 months ago

    "Good Liz" shilling for forever war so long as it supports corrupt totalitarian dictators the left likes and VDR demanding ongoing Federal corruption until Democrats volunteer to give up their corruption is quite the stance for a "Libertarian" site.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

      "...VDR demanding ongoing Federal corruption until Democrats volunteer to give up their corruption..."

      The TDS-addled shit-pile Tuccille is doing the same.

    2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 months ago

      Rooting out the ideology of ever-expansive government IS being anti-big government, just as rooting out meat -eating is being pro-vegetarianism

    3. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

      Don't forget VDR and others wanting tax increases.

    4. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

      Democrats and their RINO sycophants will never give up the gravy train of corruption willingly. You have to cut them off and eventually arrest them for what they’ve done.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

        Hey, why even support "democracy" unless it funnels money into your pockets?

    5. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

      Yeah, for some reason the ideology that involves getting the government into every aspect of life is where they’re finding a bunch of corruption and waste. How crazy!

  15. Medulla Oblongata   3 months ago

    At the onset of the war, I wanted the US to help Ukraine. But after years of shoveling cash into Zelensky's coffers with little accountability and offloading weapons that may or may not have been used in to war (vs being sold on the open market for more cash), I'm far more measured in what I think constitutes helping Ukraine. And throwing 10's and hundreds of billions of dollars (that we don't have and have to borrow) over the fence into their yard does not cut it.

    1. MollyGodiva   3 months ago

      Do you have any citations for that?

      1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

        Yes. The entire corpus of everything written on the internet about the conflict, you sealioning fuck.

      2. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

        Lol, pathetic.

      3. soldiermedic76   3 months ago

        Which part is to hard for you to understand and that you need a citation for? Because everything he posted was either common knowledge or opinion. Fuck, you're an imbecile.

      4. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   3 months ago

        Tony, it’s widely known. Which I’m sure you know, and approve of.

    2. Juliana Frink   3 months ago

      I think it's worse than most of us imagine. Consider the "empty battlefield" described in this article (but the entire article is a must-read):

      https://im1776.com/lessons-from-ukraine/

      "The ability of both Ukrainian and Russian forces to survey and strike the battlefield is so precise that they can find and hit enemy vehicles and positions at particular points of vulnerability: footage of FPV drones flying through doorways and windows of enemy strongpoints is now everywhere."

      "On modern battlefields, hiding is now a critical skill. Anything (or anyone) that can be seen can be hit and destroyed. Blanketing electronic warfare, which can deny airspace to enemy drones, remains far away, and until it arrives, the ability to win decisive victories has become very difficult."

      I doubt anybody who is okay with perpetuating this war has any idea of the kind of hellscape this presents. Although I expect the Globalist warmongers are tickled to death at the prospect of trying out all these new toys for delivering misery and death!

      1. Juliana Frink   3 months ago

        Oh, and by the way, once these motherfuckers have tested all these marvelous weapons out in Ukraine, who do you think they're itching to try them out on next???

        1. Social Justice is neither   3 months ago

          Coming to a PD near you.

      2. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

        “I doubt anybody who is okay with perpetuating this war has any idea of the kind of hellscape this presents.”

        I gave people the benefit of the doubt in the beginning, but at this point if they’re still ignorant of what is happening then they’re being so on purpose. It’s honestly amazing that there’s so many people on a “libertarian” comment section that are pro-war.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   3 months ago

    There are lots of critiques of Zelenskyy that can reasonably be offered. This is something else entirely.

    Oh, you sweet, just-now-condescended-to child. To be a true cynical critiquer of state power you must accept that no one is above anything when it comes to power and money.

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

      Except for unelected bureaucracy. -jeffsarc

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

      Liz is losing it.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 months ago

        Sad.

    3. Spiritus Mundi   3 months ago

      People are willing to abandon their principles and better judgement because they have been led to believe the 'good guy' always wins.

  17. Fist of Etiquette   3 months ago

    At the time, Mexico and Canada successfully persuaded him to hold off until March...

    And now Trump has built a big, beautiful financial wall around the country. Let's all watch as passive observers to see how it turns out, shall we?

    1. Longtobefree   3 months ago

      Most likely it will turn out like the last time he imposed tariffs.
      The only significant difference is the overall economic damage from 4 years of whoever was running the country while Biden ate ice cream in the oval office.

      Why does everyone assume we will continue to buy as much as we did before tariffs? They are as much to change behavior as to increase revenue. Put off major purchases where you can't find a US alternative. Shop around and buy American (if there is an American manufacturer that survived Biden). Do without. Lots of choices other than pretending we HAVE to buy foreign goods.

      1. Quicktown Brix   3 months ago

        Why does everyone assume we will continue to buy as much as we did before tariffs?

        No one does.

        They are as much to change behavior as to increase revenue.

        Yes, Part 1 and 2 of a planned economy; 2 reasons libertarians hate tariffs.

        Put off major purchases where you can't find a US alternative. Shop around and buy American (if there is an American manufacturer that survived Biden). Do without. Lots of choices other than pretending we HAVE to buy foreign goods.

        I believe this is a perfect scenario for the phrase "Fuck off slaver."

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

          There is zero correlation between tariff rates and inflation rates in this country's history.

          1. Quicktown Brix   3 months ago

            Well that's just wrong, so wrong.

            Our recent study found that the 2018 tariffs imposed an annual cost of $419 for the typical household

            https://libertystreeteconomics.newyorkfed.org/2019/05/new-china-tariffs-increase-costs-to-us-households/

            Calculations show that Trump’s tariffs raise the price of steel products by nearly 9 percent. Higher steel prices will raise the pre-tax earnings of steel firms by $2.4 billion in 2018. But they will also push up costs for steel users by $5.6 billion.

            https://www.piie.com/blogs/trade-and-investment-policy-watch/steel-profits-gain-steel-users-pay-under-trumps

            There's more, many more.

            1. Commenter_XY   3 months ago

              Overall inflation was unaffected.

              1. Quicktown Brix   3 months ago

                Well that's impossible.

                Maybe you meant it was small/negligible? Much like the tariffs imposed by Trump 1.0 were "small/negligible" relative to the tariffs imposed by Trump 2.0.

                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

                  Well that's impossible.

                  No, it's not. Trying these cherry picked stats doesn't change the actual fact that there is no correlation between tariff rates and inflation rates in the nation's history. In fact, the last major one to be passed, the bete noir of the free trade crowd Smoot-Hawley, kicked off massive DE-flation.

                  This shit isn't hard to find, even for a retarded software sperg in the Boise suburbs.

                  1. Quicktown Brix   3 months ago

                    Well, maybe if you ignore the GREAT DEPRESSION. Great conclusion though.

                    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

                      Thanks for conceding the point.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

            Well that's just wrong, so wrong.

            No, it's actually accurate.

            There's plenty of charts out there that show the nation's tariff rates and the nation's inflation rates over the last 125 years or so. Perhaps you should consult them instead of trying this lame tactic of claiming that a single tariff on a single product applies to the entire history of tariff and inflation rates.

            1. Quicktown Brix   3 months ago

              The huge disadvantage of your proposed method is that it doesn't control for confounding variables. The advantage is the nice dopamine rush you get when you satisfy that confirmation bias.

              I say this because 99+% of economists that use much more rigorous techniques find just the opposite of what you're saying. It works in theory, it works in models. It works in case studies.

              Can you find a single economist that claims tariffs don't raise prices?

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

                Yes, I know you're trying to make glittering generalities, appeals to authority, and red herrings now because the actual data doesn't support your assertion.

                How about you look up the actual rates, you lazy piece of shit, and get back to us?

                1. Quicktown Brix   3 months ago

                  I posted links. You gave nothing but obfuscation and stubborn denial. So call me names and enjoy your ignorance.

  18. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

    Expect the prices of tons of goods to rise: Cars, computers, cellphones, avocados, tequila, lots of produce, beef, maple syrup, lumber. The easier thing to do might be to list the products that won't be affected.

    Retaliatory tariffs have also been imposed. China announced "15% tariffs on chicken, wheat, corn, and cotton imports from the US" per CNN, as well as 10 percent on "sorghum, soybeans, pork, beef, aquatic products, fruits, vegetables, and dairy products."

    Two points here. Why is china's retaliatory but not trumps? China already has higher tariffs on US goods, commits theft in the hundreds of billions, and even doesn't allow many goods.

    Second, even the Atlanta fed understands price increases aren't linear and is estimating under a 1% cost increase, less than a quarter of inflation we saw yearly under Biden.

    https://www.atlantafed.org/-/media/documents/research/publications/policy-hub/2025/02/28/01--tariffs-and-consumer-prices.pdf

    With deregulstory pressure coming from Trump, domestic goods will decrease in price as well offering supply shift. You all keep acting like goods can only come from these countries, that there are zero other choices for consumers. On top of that we've already seen multiple companies announce domestic expansion which will have a positive effect of getting people off welfare and unemployment.

    This issue is treated so badly at this site.

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

      Reason's Eric Boehm noted last week. "If the costs of Trump's tariffs are fully passed down the supply chain, consumers could be facing $225 billion in higher costs, according to an estimate by the American Action Forum (AAF).

      This is the retarded talking points and analysis Eric is famous for. Tariffs do not impose a linear increase in the costs of goods. This statement is full on retarded.

      Choose any time period and show me the 1:1 price to tariff correlation.

      This type of idiocy is just dumb.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

        Dumb or ideological?

        1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

          For Eric a large part of it is being a comms major pretending he understands economics. He doesn't even have thr mathematical background to understand the basics. So his entire economic theory is based on narratives.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

            Isn't all leftist "economics" based on feelz?

    2. Quicktown Brix   3 months ago

      a 1% cost increase, less than a quarter of inflation we saw yearly under Biden.

      Yes, 1% on top of Biden's inflation, not instead of.

    3. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

      Honda was going to build a new Civic plant in Mexico. Now they’ll build it in Indiana.

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2025/03/03/honda-will-produce-civic-in-indiana-to-avoid-tariffs-report-says/81175545007/?gnt-cfr=1&gca-cat=p

      1. Quicktown Brix   3 months ago

        And we all get to pay more for a Civic. That's a government coerced wealth transfer.

        Hmmm....I wonder if they use any steel or aluminum to make Civics...

        1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

          I’m not going to buy a Civic.

          1. Quicktown Brix   3 months ago

            I assume you will work at the Indiana Civic plant then?

            1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

              No.

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

          And we all get to pay more for a Civic.

          A Civic starts at $25,000. We're already paying a lot for them.

          The cost of Ford F-150s, Rams, and Jeeps the last four years didn't go through the roof because they were assembled in the US.

          That's a government coerced wealth transfer.

          LOL, from Mexico to the US? US policy should be citizens first, foreigners last.

          1. Quicktown Brix   3 months ago

            Why Honda plant worker/owner/union citizen first, Honda Civic citizen consumer last? That's the wealth transfer.

        3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   3 months ago

          Don’t strain yourself.

  19. Fist of Etiquette   3 months ago

    China announced "15% tariffs on chicken, wheat, corn, and cotton imports from the US" per CNN...

    Who the fuck imports chicken?

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

      They want their bird flu back.

    2. Randy Sax   3 months ago

      Nuggets maybe.

    3. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

      A country that can’t grow enough food, like China or India.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

        What? How dare you imply those two power-house economies of the future can't raise chickens!

      2. soldiermedic76   3 months ago

        China's biggest problem is that it's meat producing areas and it's grain producing areas aren't connected by any infrastructure. Oh, they grow a lot of wheat and corn in the Northwest portion of the country but have almost no way of shipping it to the eastern portions, especially the southeast, where it is needed. So the government buys all that grain, and then let's it rot, and then turn around and buy US and Australian grain to make up their domestic shortfalls. This also means they can't really expand their pork and chicken production, because they can't produce enough feed (or at least get the feed to where it's needed) to grow these industries. There's a bunch of other things in play, mainly the Chinese like to manipulate the American grain and pork markets by threatening boycotts, tariffs, etc, and when the market collapsed, swoop in and buy while suspending their previous threats. The US traders love it because it keeps the US markets artificially low, because everyone knows China is bullshitting to drive down prices. The ones who get screwed are the farmers and ranchers who sell at a loss because no one is willing to call China out for its obvious bullshit.

        1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   3 months ago

          Maybe they should have built some railroads instead of empty cities.

    4. Ska   3 months ago

      Ernie Anastos?

      Hitler?

    5. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   3 months ago

      Send them the flu ridden chickens for free.

  20. Fist of Etiquette   3 months ago

    ...as well as 10 percent on "sorghum, soybeans..."

    Does China have soyboys? Because that population is going to take a hit.

    1. See.More   3 months ago

      Does China have soyboys?

      China's soybean imports amount to more than half of worldwide trade. They are a net importer and the largest importer of soybeans globally.

      1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   3 months ago

        So they’re mostly soyboys?

  21. Fist of Etiquette   3 months ago

    Mexico is America's largest source of agricultural imports...

    We may actually have to take restrictions off of what American farmers can grow.

    1. Randy Sax   3 months ago

      And abolish subsidies on the monocultures they do grow.

      1. Ron   3 months ago

        this is what needs to be done. some of those tarrifs may decrease prices as well If china wont buy our chicken then the markets will lower their prices here or help offset the losses from bird flu. sure some manufactures may not grow as many chickens. if we removed some of the regulations every town could have their own chicken farms which would also reduce the influx from massive kill offs. burt thats why they like regulations since it forces production to larger corporations which are easier to control and shut down when they like

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

      The Greenies want us all back on the co-op farm, so we can grow tomatoes and kale. You know, the subsistence level of "modern" society.

    3. soldiermedic76   3 months ago

      I love how they then quote '67% of all imports' but fail to state what percentage this is of actual US consumption. Is it 1%, 10%, 20% (doubt it's this high). Because 67% of 1 percent is nothing. Also, the reason we import may be not due to shortages but for other reasons. Take beef for example. We import a lot of beef from Australia. Not because we have a shortage of beef, we produce far more than we consume on average, but because our beef is to high of quality, so it utilized as much as possible, for premium cuts, meaning we have a shortage of meat for grinding. And hamburger is by far the most utilized cut. So, we import a bunch of Australian beef that is used for nothing but grinding into hamburger, to supplement domestic hamburger production.

      Some of the agricultural goods imported from Mexico are actually American goods. Leather for example. Almost every hide from every slaughtered beef in the US is exported to Mexico, where it's tanned, and then shipped back to the US for utilization. This counts as a Mexican agricultural export. There's several other products that this occurs with (the same with Canada on some goods).

  22. Fist of Etiquette   3 months ago

    New York City public schools have been rolling out their "black studies" curriculum...

    Way to miss the Black History Month deadline, dipshits.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   3 months ago

      They are on cpt

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

      Calendars are raciss!

      1. Marshal   3 months ago

        Having a future time orientation (planning ahead) is racist. - Seattle Public School District, ~1994

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

          Also, The Smithsonian, 2020.

  23. Fist of Etiquette   3 months ago

    Blood donor extraordinaire dies.

    I KNEW GIVING BLOOD WASN'T SAFE.

    1. Longtobefree   3 months ago

      True enough.
      After scouring the web, I have learned that every single person that ever donated a little as one pint died.

      1. Spiritus Mundi   3 months ago

        Or will die......eventually.

        1. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 months ago

          The Singularity can't come fast enough.

      2. VinniUSMC   3 months ago

        No one is safe from Big Blood!

        This is almost as bad as the dihydrogen monoxide crisis! Billions will die!

      3. See.More   3 months ago

        After scouring the web, I have learned that every single person that ever donated a little as one pint died.

        Correlation does not equal causation. Every one of those people were exposed, both externally and internally via consumption, to dihydrogen monoxide and that's what killed/kills 'em!

        * EDIT: Shit. Shoulda read farther before hitting Reply. VinniUSMC beat me to the joke...

    2. Medulla Oblongata   3 months ago

      Dracula hardest hit.

  24. Fist of Etiquette   3 months ago

    For all the talk about cutting government waste and fraud, the DOGE-Trump team seems mostly animated by rooting out leftist culture politics and its practitioners in Washington...

    To be fair, we got very little useful bang for our buck with that lot.

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

      Not funding leftist agitator and activists with federal funds is a bad thing now.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

        An existential threat to (D)emocracy!

    2. Longtobefree   3 months ago

      Funny thing, that.
      Leftist culture politics and its practitioners in Washington created most of the waste and fraud, so it is logical that will feel the most pain when it is reduced.
      Just like it is impossible to cut income tax rates without benefiting 'the rich' since 'the rich' pay 80% of the income taxes.
      I know math is hard, and math is racist, but it also leads to the truth.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

        But the truth (the kind based on objective facts) is also racist.

    3. Social Justice is neither   3 months ago

      We may not have but the Democrat establishment sure does.

  25. Fist of Etiquette   3 months ago

    Andrew Cuomo, former governor of New York who is now running for mayor, ought to remain bedeviled by his twin scandals...

    Forget it, Elizabeth. It's Newyorkcitytown.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

      Still, could be worse. They could have a bunch of total incompetent idiots wanting to take Brandon Johnson’s place as Mayor of Chicago.

  26. Fist of Etiquette   3 months ago

    "I'm a huge fan of Ronald Reagan but he was bad on trade," says Trump just now...

    He traded the Soviet Union for whatever Russia is now!

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

      Wait til reason finds out Reagan also implemented tariffs.

  27. Stupid Government Tricks   3 months ago

    Oh, bother, here we go again.

    1. Tariffs are taxes on imports, paid by importers, passed on to consumers.

    2A. Revenue tariffs seek to maximize revenue, which means keep most imports flowing.

    2B. Protective tariffs seek to block imports so domestic industries can raise prices to make inefficient production profitable.

    3. Protective tariff proponents use the same argument that gun grabbers use for huge taxes on guns, such as 100% sales taxes or the NFA's $200 tax (which would be around $3000 today if adjusted for inflation): Guns/imports are icky, but we can't ban them outright, so we'll just tax them out of existence.

    4. Because protective tariffs boost inefficient domestic industries, they necessarily and simultaneously draw resources away from more efficient industries. This as counter-productive as it sounds.

    5. Because protective tariffs raise prices of the protected goods, they reduce how much consumers have available to spend on unprotected goods. The increase in inefficient employment is wiped out by the simultaneous decrease in efficient employment, and once you add in the increased government employment to process the tariffs, there is a net loss in employment.

    6. Because protective tariffs raise prices, they decrease unit sales, which reduces employment in the protected industries.

    7. Protective tariffs are central planning; replacing individual free market decisions with bureaucratic government wisdom, which is to say, out of date, collective, uninformed, and expensive.

    8. Protective tariff proponents like to argue "national security", belied by taxing washing machines and garlic. They also refuse to acknowledge any of the costs of tariffs in general or protective tariffs specifically. This is another hallmark of statists, who refuse to admit that increased bureaucracy and central planning have any downsides.

    9. Proponents of Trump's particular style of tariff games pretend there is no downside to sudden and unpredictable changes in tariffs, that businesses can pivot on a dime, that supply chain disruptions are something every business deals with all the time, so Trump's disruptions are just more of the same. I think these people are more than a little ignorant of how businesses actually function.

    There is nothing libertarian about tariffs.

    Notes:

    * I numbered all my points. If you want to actually rebut or discuss them, please respond to each point.

    * This is not a court or a science journal. I neither provide nor expect either definitive proof or references. My arguments all follow from basic definitions and a modicum of common sense. If you choose to respond otherwise, that's your problem, not mine.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   3 months ago

      2b, why do you automatically call American manufacturing inefficient?
      Biden alone increese regulatory costs by 1.6 t a year. That's goverment imposed inefficiency. Or is it inefficient because the US doesn't have slavery? So it's okay to export slavery to another country so you can get cheep crap from temu?

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

        It's an excuse to buttress his unfounded beliefs. Thats it.

        1. Stupid Government Tricks   3 months ago

          Snipe instead of rebut. Got it.

      2. Stupid Government Tricks   3 months ago

        The protected industries are inefficient relative to unprotected industries, by definition, since they can't produce what people want to buy at the unprotected price.

        The whole point of protective tariffs is to raise efficient producer prices so high that inefficient producers can raise their prices to match and finally make a profit.

        Take a stupid example, straw hats. No one thinks American factories couldn't make straw hats. But could they do so as efficiently as some third world country? Probably not. They'd have to charge a lot more. People would buy fewer straw hats. What's the point of protecting such an inefficient industry?

        Same thing applies to washing machines. If South Korea wants to focus on making washing machines, great, let them; the American companies which could produce them can now concentrate on producing more valuable products which take more skill to produce.

        The major reason American manufacturing workers are so expensive is because their factories are so much more productive. It's not because factory owners feel sorry for them and pay them more out of the goodness of their heart.

        In the 1920s, I think, the future Admiral Yamamoto of Pearl Harbor fame was a naval attache in the US and reported back to Japan on a road building project using modern power equipment. He compared it to how Japan built roads, with shovels and wheelbarrows. It's that capital investment in productive tools that made American road builders more productive and worth higher pay.

        Milton Friedman was supposedly shown a bunch of Chinese workers using shovels and wheelbarrows on some big construction project, a dam or road. The CCP official bragged about putting so many men to work. Friedman said that was stupid; if the sole purpose was to employ people, why not issue them spoons so they'd have to hire more?

        1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   3 months ago

          And I'm saying America is only less efficient because the goverment created issues of massive over regulation, and subsidized slavery

          1. Stupid Government Tricks   3 months ago

            No shit. Regulations certainly are a drag on the economy. But so are tariffs. You can pivot to whatever straw man you want, but the truth about tariffs doesn't change.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

      Do you hate all taxes?

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

        In the VDR thread he called extending tax cuts as spending. So doubtful.

        1. Stupid Government Tricks   3 months ago

          When governments want revenue, they don't care how they get it, they are going to get it and they are going to get however much they want.

          When they extend tax cuts without reducing spending, they are going to make up that revenue loss some other way, whether other taxes, inflation, or borrowing.

          Try an honest actual argument for once. Try using that TDS-loyalty long enough to actually think and type a real rebuttal.

        2. Medulla Oblongata   3 months ago

          Remember that the IRS calls the money you're allowed to keep "tax expenditures".

      2. Stupid Government Tricks   3 months ago

        Do you love all taxes?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

          Nope. I would prefer user fees when they support user-specific spending, and a head tax for general revenue.

          1. See.More   3 months ago

            ... and a head tax for general revenue.

            Headline: Blowjobs Hardest Hit

  28. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

    The problem with the tariffs on Canada that the Trump administration just can't seem to get, is that Trudeau wants them more than anyone else.

    The Liberal Party utterly and deliberately destroyed Canada over the last decade by every metric. He destroyed it's oil, potash, lumber, smelting, agricultural and fishing industry with insane and useless environmental rules specifically created to destroy those industries. He enacted "compassionate" crime laws that emptied prison of even violent criminals and increased crime by 900%. He collapsed the healthcare infrastructure by opening the borders to a million+ people a year while stopping federal investment in said healthcare and making rules against provinces allowing more privatization. In the process fucking over both Canadians and the new immigrants. Now Canadian cities have people living 40 to a house, because he has gone out of its way to stop housing starts for "environmental" reasons, etc. The country is unrecognizable to what it was 15 years ago.

    Because of this, Trudeau is the most hated prime minister in Canadian history. He was in single digits in the polls. His party was going to be wiped out. Down from two hundred plus seats at their peak to two. They would've lost official party status.

    So the idea that he can blame Canada's woes on tariffs rather than his party's malevolence is a godsend for him. His party will probably still lose the election, but not by as much, and will still retain official party status and the federal funding that goes with it.

    He never gave a fuck about hurting Canada anyway. He's the WEF's creature and was aiming for Agenda 2030. In the meantime he'll jack up the fentanyl heading south.

    The Trump administration needs to take this into account. Sanctions need to fuck Trudeau personally to work (and Carney, and Freeland).

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

      I disagree. If voter turn out increases due to Canadian patriotism, it doesn't mean those votes go to Trudeaus party. They all still hate him outside of Montreal. In fact it may end up being a larger share for other parties.

      I don't think Canadians are dumb enough to fall for the last 10 years of shit they suffered being caused by something starting this week.

      1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

        Trust me, the entire Boomer plus contingent here, think Trump is Satan. They still believe what they see on the USAID funded media. Under 65 it's a different story, but over 65 are a third of the actual voters.

        They may not like Trudeau one bit, but he's not running in the next election. WEF'ers Carney and Freeland are.
        And as the former governor of both the Bank of Canada and the Bank of England (not consecutively), Carney will be able to trick enough old idiots into thinking he's a fiscal conservative who will right Trudeau's wrongs, even though he created those policies for Justin.
        It won't be enough to win the election, but it will stave off losing official party status.

        That's why if Trump wants tariffs to work he needs to target Trudeau, Carney and Freeland directly.

        1. Spiritus Mundi   3 months ago

          Good thing MAID is quickly reducing the over 65 gaurd.

        2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

          Aren't your boomers the ones who already voted in trudeau? So wouldn't you expect more votes from non boomers from any increase?

          1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

            No.

            Even the boomers were going to vote against the liberals until the tariff thing started. Now enough are being swayed back because orangemanbad that the Liberal party will still be able to cling on to official party status. Because we have so many parties it's not a binary choice like in the US.

            Poilievre will still have a majority and form government, but he will no longer have the predicted supermajority and the Liberals and the NDP won't have learned their lesson.

            It's hard for most to imagine a country led by a politician who actually wants to destroy it and beggar its people, but that's what the Trudeau Liberals are.

        3. damikesc   3 months ago

          Freeland calling for Canada to fall under EUROPE'S nuclear umbrella should disqualify her as a blithering moron.

          She's not just dumb...she's Jasmine Crockett dumb.

          1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

            She's evil. A poison dwarf. Nobody hates Canada and Canadians more than her and her acolytes.

            She's actually on the WEFs board of governors. She's not just a soldier, she's one of the generals.

            1. damikesc   3 months ago

              It always baffles me how just loathsome pricks like her or, say, Chuck Schumer keep getting elected in spite of them being barely human.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

                I strongly suspect they have some sort of ballot stuffing going on.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

      I have said from the beginning that Democrats created Trump, and would not know what to do now without Trump.

  29. chemjeff radical individualist   3 months ago

    Why is it that Zelensky is held to such high standards of democratic conduct during wartime that no advanced Western democracy has ever met? EVERY democratic nation has suspended or revoked civil liberties or democratic processes during time of war. Every single one. And yet when Zelensky does it, he is regarded as some monstrously evil dictator. This is just concern trolling bullshit, not a serious criticism. Serious criticism would acknowledge that during times of war, different standards must apply, for better or for worse.

    How much press freedom did the American press really have during the Second World War? Hmm? And maybe the Japanese-Americans would like to have a word about what the American government thought about 'civil liberties' during that time.

    I posted last night how Britain held parliamentary elections during the Second World War - the major parties conspired to prevent the voters from having a choice. When a vacancy opened up, the incumbent party appointed a replacement and the other parties didn't challenge the appointment. Not exactly a model of democratic participation.

    All of these acts were wrong, including what Zelensky is doing now, but it's bullshit to condemn Zelensky for things that every Western power has done at one time or another without acknowledging that.

    Oh and by the way. How does Zelensky's conduct compare to that of, say, Putin? Would it be too much to point out that as bad as Zelensky's conduct is, it is not nearly as bad as what Putin has done?

    1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

      "Why is it that Zelensky is held to such high standards of democratic conduct during wartime that no advanced Western democracy has ever met?"

      This is a lie.

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

        It is a leftist narratives I've seen multiple times over the last week. Jeff is just repeating his talking points.

      2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 months ago

        I guess the US is not an advanced Western Democracy

        1864
        1944

        1. Spiritus Mundi   3 months ago

          It appears we also stopped elections during the global war on terror and W has been dictator for life. Plus all the mosques we demolished and Imams we jailed.

      3. chemjeff radical individualist   3 months ago

        It is true. For example you all are condemning Zelensky for censoring the press during wartime. Name me ONE democratic nation that did NOT curtail freedom of the press during wartime. Just one. You are demanding Zelensky adhere to standards that no other nation has ever been held to. That is because your criticism is insincere and is just concern trolling.

        1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

          We should create a holiday for all the censorship that happened in the past!

        2. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

          We all know you were obviously talking about elections, not the press, you retarded shitweasel. Don't try to move the goalposts now.

          Just take the "L" and move on to your next lie.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 months ago

            We all know

            this is ML code for "I'm gonna now gaslight everyone into redirecting the argument". No, I was talking about "democratic conduct" broadly speaking, not only specifically elections.

            1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

              "this is ML code for"

              This is Lying Jeffy code for "I'm going to lie about what this person just said".

              Point out in your original comment you piece of lying shit, where you were talking about the press and not elections and ONLY elections.
              It's absolutely unbelievable to me how you think people can't read the shit you wrote just several swipes up.

      4. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

        I don’t call him Lying Jeffy for nothing.

    2. Social Justice is neither   3 months ago

      LOL you retarded, dishonest cunt. Your own argument is that it is wrong and a standard that should be held but Zelensky should be exempt. You destroy your own argument.

      Or are you actually arguing that every bad act is fine so long as you can find some parallel somewhere in history that was excused or not punished?

      Also, I cannot go back in time but I can demand better of today and into the future.

      1. Spiritus Mundi   3 months ago

        Leftists always believe the ends justify the means.

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   3 months ago

        No, I'm not saying any of it is "fine". I am saying that calling Zelensky a tyrant and a dictator, for taking actions *during wartime* that every Western democracy has taken, is a dishonest criticism. I am also saying that focusing all of the criticism on Zelensky, while ignoring the monstrously worse things that Putin has done, starts to veer away from criticism of Ukraine and into pro-Russian apologism.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   3 months ago

          "is a dishonest criticism."

          No, it's an honest criticism. Like criticizing Trump for raising the debt limit again (in the coming weeks) would be an honest criticism, despite it having been done by every President for the last 50 years or so.

          We generally acknowledge that FDRs internment of Japanese-Americans was wrong, that censorship of the press even in war-time is wrong, and so on. Pointing out that these actions are wrong is not negated just because they are common, nor because this country has done it in the past.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 months ago

            that censorship of the press even in war-time is wrong

            But see here is the problem in applying peacetime standards of conduct to times of war. When a nation is fighting a defensive war of survival - as Ukraine is - then fighting the war has to take precedence over other considerations, because if the nation loses the war, nothing else matters! If Russia conquers all of Ukraine, whatever the Ukrainian Constitution says becomes completely meaningless. So yes, when a nation is confronted with the issue of its very survival, tough choices have to be made about how best to do that.

            In fact, I'm going to claim that it is not possible for a nation to *successfully* fight a war against aggression while still fully respecting everyone's liberties. There are certainly no examples in history where this has happened. This is because fully respecting everyone's civil liberties necessarily means undermining the war effort, as the aggressor very easily figures out how to use those civil liberties as a part of its military strategy against the victim. Such as, infiltrating the nation with spies, using freedom of movement and freedom of association against them.

            War by its nature introduces a utilitarian calculation into every decision, "will this help or hurt the war effort?" Zelensky has had to do this, every wartime leader has had to do that, I don't blame them for making some of these tough calls even if I don't agree with some of them. What really irks me is pretending that Zelensky ought to be judged as if his nation is peace, when his nation's very survival is at stake instead.

            1. Commenter_XY   3 months ago

              We get to make that judgment, chemjeff. Why? We are the ones bankrolling him. So we get to make informed critiques.

            2. Medulla Oblongata   3 months ago

              Are there any actions a war-time leader should not be able to do? Are there any principles to uphold even if doing so may cost you the war? Bombing your own citizens of the wrong ethnicity (FDR could have just executed Japanese-Americans?) How about universal conscription of all men and women? Euthanizing of certain classes of people deemed to be a drag on society, wasting precious resources that could be allocated to front-line warriors?

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 months ago

                Yes of course. There are these things called the "rules of war". But you'll note that the "rules of war" are not the same as the rules of peacetime. For example the "rules of war" say things like "it's okay to bomb the enemy, just don't deliberately bomb civilians". But of course the rules of peacetime don't permit bombing of anyone. That is my point. Not to litigate exactly what the "rules of war" ought to be. But to simply point out that the rules of war are different than the rules of peacetime.

                1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

                  The discussion up to this point has been about how governments treat their own citizens rights during wartime, and he was asked where he would draw the line. Warmonger Jeffy's answer was about dropping bombs on enemy territory.

                  So is he telling on himself, or trying to pull a trick?

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 months ago

                    Well, that tracks. You take a civil discussion and then try to twist it into some suggestion that I might favor dropping bombs on citizens in peacetime. Because you're a troll and an agitator.

                    1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

                      "suggestion that I might favor dropping bombs on citizens in peacetime."

                      Have you had a stroke?

                    2. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

                      Hey good news Pedo Jeffy! Trump just mentioned your favorite illegal alien rapists in his speech! Although he didn't mention that the 12 year old girl was drunk when they raped, tortured, and murdered her, so you'll probably point out his dishonesty.

        2. Social Justice is neither   3 months ago

          So Zelensky gets a pass for anything and everything, got it you dishonest POS.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 months ago

            No he doesn't "get a pass". He ought to be held to the appropriate standard. And under the current circumstances, the appropriate standard is not that of a peacetime leader.

            1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

              Haha, "held to the appropriate standard." What an asshole.

    3. damikesc   3 months ago

      You want our money? You live up to our standards.

      "Oh and by the way. How does Zelensky's conduct compare to that of, say, Putin? Would it be too much to point out that as bad as Zelensky's conduct is, it is not nearly as bad as what Putin has done?"

      Putin is not begging us for money. We are asking the party who is winning the war to let the losing party not lose. Nobody has said Putin is fighting on behalf of democracy.

      We have to ask the winning party to stop winning. It might be in their best interests (America was winning in Vietnam and was winning in Iraq and it did not mean a damned thing, so Russia winning in Ukraine is likely pointless also) to not go thru the continued effort.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

        But the essence of socialism (or "socialism", to appease the Democratic deniers) is that they are entitled to your money without any conditions. They know what is right better than you, and therefore can take your stuff--and tell you what to do.

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   3 months ago

        You want our money? You live up to our standards.

        Which standards? The standards that we say we want, or the standards that we actually hold ourselves to?

        During the Second World War, America censored the press and threw Japanese-Americans into camps. It was wrong, but America survived. So when Zelensky follows the same example - actually not as bad, as I don't think he is actually throwing Russians into camps - he is condemned as this horrible tyrant. It makes us look like a bunch of hypocrites, and frankly the people pushing this argument are just concern trolling and would have no problem with America censoring the press again should there be a Third World War.

        1. Nobartium   3 months ago

          It makes us look like a bunch of hypocrites

          Welcome to having elections being incompatible with persistence of policy.

        2. damikesc   3 months ago

          "Which standards? The standards that we say we want, or the standards that we actually hold ourselves to?"

          Standards we want. Beggers cannot be choosers.

          "It makes us look like a bunch of hypocrites"

          Were we begging other countries to give us tons of money to fight our war? No? Then there is no comparison.

          "people pushing this argument are just concern trolling and would have no problem with America censoring the press again should there be a Third World War."

          And if we begged the rest of the world to pay for the war, you'd have a point. But that is not happening.

          You want our money. You provide us, LITERALLY, zero benefit for the money you expect out of us. You do not get to make any demands, at all. Be grateful you've gotten as much as you have and beg for anything more we deem worth giving you.

          If Ukraine falls, it will not impact the US. Zelensky seems to not realize that.

    4. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

      I posted last night how Britain held parliamentary elections during the Second World War - the major parties conspired to prevent the voters from having a choice. When a vacancy opened up, the incumbent party appointed a replacement and the other parties didn't challenge the appointment. Not exactly a model of democratic participation.

      Your history is only partly true, Jeff. You’re forgetting that elections were held while the war was still on and Labour won them (1945). This is why Clement Attlee was PM for the end of the war and not Winston Churchill.

    5. sarcasmic   3 months ago

      Only leftists criticize criticism of Zelenskyy.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

        Your strawmen are boring.

        1. Spiritus Mundi   3 months ago

          And retarded.

      2. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

        Yes.
        Well, more Democrats than leftists. Especially when they lie about it.

    6. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

      Hey Warmonger Jeffy, have you learned what hagiography means yet? Lol, fucking retard.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 months ago

        Hey Troll Mac, are you aware that words can have multiple meanings?

        This is just illustrative of your dishonest trolling. You ignore the substance of my argument and focus on the one nitpicky thing where you think you have an opening to call me a liar. Do you remember that time when you criticized me for my choice of punctuation? How petty and stupid. It is because you're a bad-faith asshole who deserves the company of the other bad-faith assholes around here.

      2. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

        Wait. Jeffy thinks "hagiography" has multiple meanings? What did he think it meant?

        1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

          Warmonger Jeffy took a real beating last night.

          https://reason.com/2025/03/03/u-k-pledges-to-support-ukraine-after-trump-snubs-zelenskyy/?comments=true#comment-10942243

          1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

            Cumjeff criminal rapist: "Tucker Carlson's little hagiography trip"

            And then: "didn't claim that Tucker called Putin a saint. Why do you lie about me like this?"

            Unbelievable.

    7. GraniteLiberty303   3 months ago

      Our government's previous infringements on civil liberties during war time isn't an argument for Americans to shut up about other governments' infringements, particularly a government we're supporting through our resources. Moreover, you're making this argument among libertarians who didn't/don't support any of the infringements you listed.

      "during times of war, different standards must apply, for better or for worse."

      You can use this statement to justify quite few horrendous actions. Even J. Edgar Hoover opposed FDR's Japanese internment plan: https://encyclopedia.densho.org/J._Edgar_Hoover/#:~:text=One%20reason%20for%20his%20opposition,famous%20and%20influential%20than%20ever.

      There is a reason why even fans of past Presidents like FDR point to those historical actions as "black marks" on their records, and why more than a few admit after the fact the such actions weren't necessary to win the war. Any self-described libertarian should know this.

      1. damikesc   3 months ago

        It's also further evidence that things done poorly under Republican Presidents tend to be that particular President's fault, but things done poorly under Democrat Presidents are the COUNTRY'S failings.

      2. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

        “Moreover, you're making this argument among libertarians who didn't/don't support any of the infringements you listed.”

        Jokes on you, Lying Jeffy just lies about his enemies beliefs to justify his tribes behavior.

    8. TrickyVic (old school)   3 months ago

      ""How much press freedom did the American press really have during the Second World War?""

      Very little.

      But we did have an election.

      1. soldiermedic76   3 months ago

        Actually, when overseas the press was heavily censored, stateside it was less so and generally the media kept certain things out out of a true sense of patriotism. But several times reporters would wait until they were stateside and then publish information the War Department didn't want them printing. It actually drove our allies crazy all the stuff our newspapers would print that they felt we should have cracked down on.

  30. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

    'A lot of the MAGA right is now acting like Zelenskyy is more villainous than he is in reality'

    How about a lot of the "MAGA right" (Liz, are you losing it?) is now acting like Zelensky is more villainous than simple-minded goody two shoes image that the DNC-WEF establishment and their neocon buddies created?

  31. Nobartium   3 months ago

    It shouldn't be hard to engage in measured critiques, or to lob some criticism Europe's way, vs. impugning his motives.

    The war is now 3 years old, and there is no sign that things will reverse.

    How long do you want to delay blaming people for their own failures?

    1. Spiritus Mundi   3 months ago

      Delay at this point only means more deaths and more land given to Russia. It is insane they want this to continue in order to 'punish' Pootin.

      1. soldiermedic76   3 months ago

        The longer they delay, the closer Ukraine's collapse becomes. It's one of those things that occurs in wars of attrition (Western Front 1918, Northern France August of 1944, Eastern Front 1944 for examples). At first you slowly give up land, because your ability to resist is diminishing but you able to continue to cobble together enough forces to slow your opponent, but then suddenly, like a leaking dyke, the whole thing falls apart and then it's a race to the rear. Military history is resplendent in examples of this occurring (actually far more examples of this occurring than of the plucky underdog beating the superpower, a la Vietnam or Afghanistan, which are really outliers).

  32. Randy Sax   3 months ago

    "The Case for Reparations"
    People did bad things to my great grandfather, pay me.
    "The Against for Reparations"
    I didn't do that shit, fuck off.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

      Paid by non-slave holders to those who are not slaves!

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

        Potentially paid by descendants of non-slave owners (and people who died in the fight against slavery) to descendants of slave-owners.

        But WTF, whites owe blacks free shit, right?

        1. soldiermedic76   3 months ago

          I say the people who sold them into slavery should be the ones to pay the reparations. Let them take it up with West Africa.

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   3 months ago

      I think reperations are owed to slaves. If you made money off of slavery, then you need to pay reparations. So kapernack and LeBron with all of their Nike money owe reparations to the uuygrs that are enslaved to make their shoes

    3. Eeyore   3 months ago

      Shouldn't the descendants of slaves pay the descendants of slave owners? After all the children of slaves now live in the best country with the best opportunities. They should pay compensation for this.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

        Sowell has suggested that often enough, comparing the lives of US blacks to those living in Africa.

        1. Eeyore   3 months ago

          We could also declare a war on slavery and use the military to go into countries that still allow slavery and imprison any slave owners we find. That could be a form of reparations.

    4. Medulla Oblongata   3 months ago

      Reparations: Taking money from people who never owned slaves and giving it to people who never were slaves

  33. sarcasmic   3 months ago

    Expect the prices of tons of goods to rise: Cars, computers, cellphones, avocados, tequila, lots of produce, beef, maple syrup, lumber. The easier thing to do might be to list the products that won't be affected.

    Lies! Trump's tariffs are magic! They protect domestic industry, don't raise prices, and bring in enough revenue to replace the income tax! They're going to make us rich!

    1. Truthfulness   3 months ago

      There is no correlation between tariffs and inflation. Read the reply of Red Rocks White Privilege above.

  34. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

    Is it just me, or does Good Liz sound decidedly liberaltarian today?

    1. sarcasmic   3 months ago

      I was thinking the same thing. Her criticism of criticism of Zelenskyy shows that she's really a leftist. How dare she be rational and level-headed? If she was a true libertarian she'd be swept up in all the emotion directed at Ukraine and declare Zelenskyy to be an evil warmonger who started the war, does not want peace, and most importantly doesn't sufficiently respect Trump and Vance. That last part is just plain unforgivable. Can you believe he didn't wear a suit to the White House? That lack of respect is enough to make a true libertarian want to support Putin. At least he wears a suit. So yeah, she's totally leftist for not getting emotional.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

        Are you going for a record to see how many strawmen you can cram into one comment?

        This one’s like a fucking clown car.

        1. Spiritus Mundi   3 months ago

          Strawcastic strikes again!

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

        Sad.

      3. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

        Poor sarc.

      4. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

        "Her criticism of criticism of Zelenskyy shows that she's really a leftist."

        You mean 'fascist', right? Liberals don't frown on people criticizing political leaders.

        Little goosesteppers like you do.

  35. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 months ago

    Tariffs go into effect:

    NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION! Fuck dictorial policies levied unconstitutionally on the American people. Donald Trump is scum!

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

      More rage here than the 5T in regulatory costs under Joe. Always funny to see how small shibboleths from some loom so much larger than problems 100 greater.

      I've never seen this outrage from you over regulations.

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 months ago

        Huh, I called Biden every name in the book? Multiple times. I was just hit with another price increase on HVAC equipment today over this after getting one for Trump signed AIM Act/410A phase out, so it isn't some sort of theoretical exercise for me. This is theft. How should someone react when their property is stolen?

        Fuck you though, defending unconditional theft from productive Americans. You're like those progressives defending rioters because businesses have insurance.

        1. mad.casual   3 months ago

          I don't think "Buying American is the equivalent of burning shit to the ground." is the winning campaign slogan you, or the DNC, thinks it is... still.

    2. Spiritus Mundi   3 months ago

      Wait, the elected president is representation?

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 months ago

        No, he's the head executive officer. All taxes must arise from the House of Representatives. See we have a branch of government called Representatives for a reason.

    3. damikesc   3 months ago

      Don't love tariffs, but they could just, you know, either lower theirs or work to prevent the fetanyl issue.

      As far as unconstitutional, it likely SHOULD be, but Congress has a habit of forfeiting their powers rather than making decisions.

    4. Medulla Oblongata   3 months ago

      Good or bad, it sure seems like Congress allows it...

      https://natlawreview.com/article/can-president-impose-tariffs-without-congressional-approval

      [1] 50 U.S.C. § 1701.

      [2] 50 U.S.C. §§ 1601-165.

      [3] 50 U.S.C. §§ 1701–1710.

      [4] See United States v. Yoshida Int’l, Inc., 526 F.2d 560 (C.C.P.A. 1975).

      [5] 19 U.S.C. § 2132.

      [6] 19 U.S.C. § 2411.

      [7] 19 U.S.C. § 1338.

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 months ago

        Just because Congress passes an unconstitutional law doesn't excuse Donald Trump acting on that unconstitutional law. He took an oath to uphold the constitution.

        Its why on another front, DOGE, I've no problem with Trumps actions. Because its dismantling (hopefully) or at least reducing the costs of many depts and the administrative state (pass law/then write law) that are themselves unconstitutional. In doing so he's upholding his oath to follow the constitution.

  36. Think It Through   3 months ago

    "For all the talk about cutting government waste and fraud, the DOGE-Trump team seems mostly animated by rooting out leftist culture politics and its practitioners in Washington," writes Veronique de Rugy for Reason.

    For Reason? What's that?

    I still find it weird when Reason quotes and links itself in the Round Up. Feels like trying too hard. DON'T MISS THIS ONE GUYS.

    1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

      Especially when it’s retarded on its surface.

    2. Juliana Frink   3 months ago

      Seems to me "leftist culture and politics" aptly qualifies as "government waste and fraud." Emphasis on fraud, at least to a libertarian.

  37. MollyGodiva   3 months ago

    Trump is a Russian asset.

    1. Super Scary   3 months ago

      A sphincter says what?

      1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

        TonyGodiva is a Democratic Party asset.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

      Cite, Molly, without using the completely debunked Russiagate shit.

      1. MollyGodiva   3 months ago

        Trump went to Russia in 1987 and then paid $100k to run a full page pro-Russian ad in the New York times.
        Trump spoke to Putin alone, with no US translator during a meeting.
        Trump has consistently made pro-Russian and pro-Putin comments.
        Russia helped Trump in 2016 (this is a fact, I am not saying that the Trump campaign was involved)
        Trump has lied about Russia invading Ukraine.
        The Trump DoD told it's Cyber Command to stand down in regards to Russia. And there are more.
        Ya, this looks a hell of a lot like Trump is a Russian asset.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

          So, irrelevancies and debunked Russiagate shit.
          Fuck off and die, asshole.

        2. Medulla Oblongata   3 months ago

          "This is my last election ... After my election I have more flexibility," Obama said, expressing confidence that he would win a second term.

          "I will transmit this information to Vladimir," said Medvedev, Putin's protégé and long considered number two in Moscow's power structure.

        3. Medulla Oblongata   3 months ago

          The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back, because the Cold War’s been over for 40 years!

          ---------------

          “Russia, this is, without question, our number one geopolitical foe,” Romney, who would be the Republican presidential nominee in the 2012 race against President Barack Obama, told Wolf Blitzer in March of that year. “They — they fight every cause for the world’s worst actors.”

          Obama and his team pounced on the comment, insisting that it showed Romney was hopelessly out of touch when it came to the threats facing the US.

          In the third presidential debate between the two candidates in October 2012, Obama went directly after Romney for that remark. “When you were asked, ‘What’s the biggest geopolitical threat facing America,’ you said ‘Russia.’ Not al Qaeda; you said Russia,” Obama said. “And, the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back, because the Cold War’s been over for 20 years.”

        4. soldiermedic76   3 months ago

          This looks a lot like bullshit. And that's exactly what it was. And no Russia wasn't trying to help Trump in 2016, the reports actually show they were trying to show discord for whoever won and ran ads attacking both parties. And morons like you fell for it and continue to fall for it. You're actually dancing to the Kremlin's tune more than Trump is, and you're to retarded to realize it.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 months ago

      Hey, Molly, if you want to troll bigly, you have to make a little more effort.

    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

      LOL, keep pushing this line.

      Seriously, keep it up. Your side's decade-long spazzout about Russia hasn't done anything except drop American perception that they are an adversary from 64 percent to 34 percent. At the rate you idiots are going, Americans will probably support assassination of Starmer, von der Leyen, Breton, Scholz, and a whole bunch of other EU stasi by the end of the decade.

    5. Spiritus Mundi   3 months ago

      BuT mUh RuSsIa is back baby!

    6. Mike Parsons   3 months ago

      still doing this cringe? Is this 2016 again or did I just sign on Reddit?

    7. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

      You forgot to mention Hitler. -5.

    8. chemjeff radical individualist   3 months ago

      He's not a Russian asset.

      He is however someone who sympathizes and identifies with Putin as another "tough guy" that he imagines himself to be. Did anyone else note, in that infamous Friday meltdown, that Trump twice tried to give sympathy to Putin for "what he went through" during the Trump-Russia investigation? WTF? How did Putin suffer at all from that? He didn't, but Trump imagines that Putin suffered just like he did through it all.

      I've concluded that Trump ultimately thinks the world should be run by strong tough leaders of big powerful nations, who project power because the weaker nations are afraid of them. That's why he and his crowd hate institutions like the UN. Why should there be any institution that treats all 160+ nations as equals? That's dumb. The only nations that really matter are the strong ones led by strong leaders, and everyone else needs to shut up and bend the knee. That is the Trump-MAGA view of international relations in a nutshell. So Trump sees Putin as another leader sharing that same vision.

      1. damikesc   3 months ago

        I do not know why anybody expects a negotiation to work when you refer to one of the parties as pure evil, repeatedly, for years. Why would they abide by anything you ever say?

        Either you want diplomacy or you do not. Make a decision.

        1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

          I don’t call him Warmonger Jeffy for nothing.

          1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

            Neocon Jeffy.

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   3 months ago

          Oh, so the fear is, Putin won't negotiate because his feelings are hurt by Zelensky's mean words? Really? I thought Zelensky was a weak manlet soy-boy puppet. Why would a tough guy like Putin give one single shit about what Zelensky thinks of him?

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

        Why should there be any institution that treats all 160+ nations as equals?

        Jesus Christ, talk about an assertion not in evidence.

        And the UN was always supposed to be the harbinger of post-WW2 world government fantasias of the elites. Sort of like how socialism is supposed to set the table for communism. This is from Time's article "American Malvern" in March 1942:

        These are the high spots of organized U.S. Protestantism’s super-protestant new program for a just and durable peace after World War II:
        >Ultimately, “a world government of delegated powers.”
        >Complete abandonment of U.S. isolationism.
        >Strong immediate limitations on national sovereignty.
        >International control of all armies & navies.
        > “A universal system of money … so planned as to prevent inflation and deflation.”
        > Worldwide freedom of immigration.
        > Progressive elimination of all tariff and quota restrictions on world trade.
        > “Autonomy for all subject and colo nial peoples” (with much better treatment for Negroes in the U.S.).
        > “No punitive reparations, no humiliating decrees of war guilt, no arbitrary dismemberment of nations.”
        > A “democratically controlled” international bank “to make development capital available in all parts of the world without the predatory and imperialistic aftermath so characteristic of large-scale private and governmental loans.”

        These were passed by the leaders of mainstream Protestant churches, not a bunch of fringe sects. John Foster Dulles himself literally provided them with the template. Even supposedly libertarian issues like free trade are only done in the context of the desire to put every single country under the thumb of a overweening international authority--with the assumption, presumably, that there won't be borders at all.

        And of course the philosophy driving all of this was the typical marxist deterministic bullshit:

        “Collectivism is coming, whether we like it or not,” the delegates were told by no less a churchman than England’s Dr. William Paton, co-secretary of the World Council of Churches, but the conference did not veer as far to the left as its definitely pinko British counterpart, the now famous Malvern Conference (TIME, Jan. 20, 1941). It did, however, back up Labor’s demand for an increasing share in industrial management. It echoed Labor’s shibboleth that the denial of collective bargaining “reduces labor to a commodity.” It urged taxation designed “to the end that our wealth may be more equitably distributed. “It urged experimentation with government and cooperative ownership.

        It demonstrates that the priority of the elites isn't "democracy," it's ensuring that institutions are configured in such a way that it becomes harder to push back against the bureaucratic octopus they set up to grift from. Strong Man leaders pose a threat to this dream because they don't have any qualms about brushing aside the mandarins. These are the guys that get targeted in color revolutions because they understand the playbook and are more likely to squash any attempts to use USAID-sponsored global media operations to spark internal uprisings over seemingly innocuous events. For recent examples, look at the Arab Spring that supposedly started over a street vendor setting himself on fire, protests in Iran that supposedly were about women wearing hijabs, the ones in Serbia that supposedly began over the collapse of a railway station canopy, or the Fentanyl Floyd riots here in the US.

  38. lwt1960   3 months ago

    Ukraine- Two thoughts. First, just because Putin is bad doesn't make Zelenskyy good. Second, social media amplifies the law of vacuums, in this case a vacuum of information from both sides, which invariably get filled with negative thoughts and outright nonsense. I can't imagine being a Ukrainian (or Russian for that matter) soldier on the front line watching this schoolyard fight play out. God bless them.

    Tariffs- expect immediate shortages, On existing orders, exporters won't ship until they get confirmation the tariffs will be paid, especially for DDP (Delivered, Duty Paid) orders . Importers will think it doesn't apply to orders in the system. It does. The whole system will come to a screeching halt. "Make it in the USA" is a joke for reasons too numerous to list. It would be like saying why didn't the cities just build new housing to house all the immigrants? Processes are measured with a calendar, not a clock. Fun times ahead.

  39. Marshal   3 months ago

    "For all the talk about cutting government waste and fraud, the DOGE-Trump team seems mostly animated by rooting out leftist culture politics and its practitioners in Washington," writes Veronique de Rugy for Reason. "It feels that it is less about smaller government than it is about political transformation.

    I immediately thought of this:

    https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=league+of+their+own+can%27t+we+do+both+scene&mid=2FDA1BAE0C2E04F682C12FDA1BAE0C2E04F682C1&mcid=1A7C085A166A40339E3632E1FAB18B3D&FORM=VIRE

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

      It's not like those leftist culture politics programs haven't been a massive suck on resources.

      This is such a false dilemma. Cutting these programs saves money and keeps the funding pipeline for anti-American leftist activism dry.

      1. Marshal   3 months ago

        Right. What do we think leftist culture practitioners are doing in government?

        Was Russlyn Ali just showing up to I Hate America rallies on her free time? Or did she also weaponize Title IX to create 10-30 THOUSAND useless but well paying jobs for otherwise unemployable left wing activists to hound people that left wing women want punished?

  40. Mickey Rat   3 months ago

    It is not enough to argue that Russia's war of conquest is not US business, it must also be that Ukraine is evil and illegitimate on its face. It shows the level of confidence they have in the initial argument.

    1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 months ago

      The argument of "Zelensky is a horrible tyrant!!!" is at best disingenuous, at worst it is a motte-and-bailey tactic designed to obscure pro-Russian apologism.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

        Fuck off and die, lying pile of steaming lefty shit.

      2. damikesc   3 months ago

        Putin being a tyrant does not mean Zelensky ain't one.

        Again, we allied with Stalin against Hitler. Both were thoroughly evil people.

      3. Dillinger   3 months ago

        >>at worst it is a motte-and-bailey tactic designed to obscure pro-Russian apologism.

        audible eyerolling is a danger to society.

  41. MWAocdoc   3 months ago

    "The official said the decision could be reversed if Zelensky demonstrates a good-faith effort to participate in peace talks"

    Eighty years ago the Third Reich launched a counteroffensive we later called "The Battle of the Bulge" in a desperate attempt to stall the Allied Offensive on the verge of invading the German homeland. Their goal was to force the Allies to negotiate a peace treaty with Hitler short of ending the war forcefully with the total defeat and occupation of Germany. Imagine if you will some third party demanding that the United States of America engage in a good-faith effort to negotiate a peace treaty with Hitler. I wonder if you can. You may say I'm a dreamer, but the complete and total defeat of the Third Reich was the ONLY acceptable end-game for us in World War Two. Zelenskyy, whatever his personal flaws might be, should not accept this idiotic ultimatum from our Fearless Leader! He should fight on until the New Ruskie Empire collapses from bankruptcy and depletion of its military resources and personnel.

    1. damikesc   3 months ago

      Unless YOU are willing to grab a gun and go fight, your political goals are unachievable. Russia leaves Ukraine if we send troops in and start losing lives.

      Pass.

      Ukraine ain't worth it.

      1. MWAocdoc   3 months ago

        Cheering on the heroic military counteroffensive being mounted by Ukraine defense forces is not the same thing as being willing to go fight personally. No, I do not agree with continuing US materiel support of that heroic effort. I do support pulling out of NATO now and letting Europe help Ukraine if they think it's a good idea. Russia leaves Ukraine when Putin is dead or when Russians refuse to be cannon fodder for his imperial aspirations or when Russia's economy collapses or when the rest of his empire starts rebelling or when the oligarchs get tired of his costly antics or ... etc etc etc

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

          "Cheering on the heroic military counteroffensive being mounted by Ukraine defense forces is not the same thing as being willing to go fight personally."

          You misspelled "losing effort".

        2. damikesc   3 months ago

          "Cheering on the heroic military counteroffensive being mounted by Ukraine defense forces is not the same thing as being willing to go fight personally."

          It will not gain back one meter of ground lost. It will just kill more Ukrainians and Russians.

          "Russia leaves Ukraine when Putin is dead or when Russians refuse to be cannon fodder for his imperial aspirations or when Russia's economy collapses or when the rest of his empire starts rebelling or when the oligarchs get tired of his costly antics or ... etc etc etc"

          Putin, for his faults, is not an idiot. He knows how much this is damaging his economy and all. He needs a way out, a way to not "lose" this. So, we offer this minerals deal to both countries (Russia seemed interested as well) and end the war that way.

          It sucks that Russia attacked Ukraine. But that has been done and cannot be undone. So, all we can hope for is the least bad option. And this is likely it.

          1. MWAocdoc   3 months ago

            I see. So only Zelenskyy is responsible for more dead Ukrainians and Russians by continuing to defend his nation against an unprovoked military invasion instead of begging for peace, but Putin is NOT responsible for the ongoing death and destruction by continuing his attempt to occupy a peaceable neighbor militarily. Got it. All clear now.

            1. damikesc   3 months ago

              Again, life ain't fair. I get it. It sucks.

              Putin was the aggressor. He should not have invaded.

              We are past that now.

              What is done is done and cannot be undone without us having to lose troops, which I am not about to approve.

              I am interested in ending the war. I do not care who is responsible. I am sick of people dying and I am sick of Europe trying to drag us into another of their endless conflicts.

              Saying "Putin is the worst" is not going to end this.

            2. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

              Do you people have some sort of mental block about this? It’s like no matter how many times this is answered you just refuse to acknowledge it.

    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

      Gee, and most times it seems you have a second brain-cell.
      Hitler launched that offensive in the hopes of breaking the coalition and getting separate peace agreements.
      It stood near zero chance of accomplishing anything but a massive loss to the Nazis, which it did. It was a last gasp effort to keep from a complete and total loss at hands of the Allies and you are trying to compare the US position then to Ukraine's now?
      You.
      Are.
      Full.
      Of.
      Shit.

      1. MWAocdoc   3 months ago

        Russia now stands near zero chance of occupying the rest of Ukraine and a highly questionable chance of even keeping what they gained militarily. Meanwhile Putin is losing thousands of young men and dozens of tanks a month while expending materiel he cannot afford to lose while his "empire" is crumbling and his economy is going bankrupt. Yes, I stand by my comparison. Meanwhile, your opinion is worth about what thoughtful evidentiary support you put into it, i.e. "nothing."

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

          You.
          Are.
          Full.
          Of.
          Shit.

          1. damikesc   3 months ago

            He is right that Russia has basically zero chance to take all of Ukraine. They likely wished to take all of it, but at this point, the amount of men and money it would take would be counter-productive at best.

            My assumption is that all he wanted was to maintain his access to the Black Sea. It's why he opposed NATO expansion.

            Europe is trying to scuttle this deal, mind you. Their offer to put their troops on the ground is the precise thing Putin did not want --- NATO troops on his border.

            We need to realize that Russia was the aggressor for sure, that Ukraine is a corrupt shit show --- but the EU is anxious to continue the blood-letting as long as they can.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

              We need to realize that Russia was the aggressor for sure, that Ukraine is a corrupt shit show --- but the EU is anxious to continue the blood-letting as long as they can.

              That's because the EU sees Ukraine as another colony to exploit, whether it's for natural resources or child prostitutes for their degenerate ruling class.

              1. mad.casual   3 months ago

                child prostitutes for their degenerate ruling class

                In either the Roman Polanski or the "Own nothing. Sleep in pods. Eat the bugs. We'll castrate your children for you." sense, if one draws such distinctions.

            2. soldiermedic76   3 months ago

              In August 1918, the allied powers met and began planning for the Spring 1919 offensive. No one believes that the upcoming offensive in Meuse-Argonne would achieve a major breakthrough or that German defenses were on the edge of collapse. A little more than a month later, western forces were racing to keep up with the retreating Germans, to maintain contact as the Germans retreated East, convincing the German High Command that they had to seek an armistice or face a total collapse. The central powers completely collapsed suddenly, with little warning. Just half a year earlier, Germany had launched a major offensive that threatened to breakthrough (albeit the breakthrough was more hypothetical than actually achievable as Operation Michael never had a clear objective and was overambitious), now they were on the run.

              The first day of Operation Cobra was underwhelming, took little ground, and most attacks were repulsed. It looked like once again it was going to turn it another meat grinder, inch by inch assault, rather than the breakout they were hoping for. On day 2 however, the German lines completely collapsed, and it was a race to the Rhine.

              Another example, Petersburg, 1865. The Confederate lines had held for months, despite multiple Union attempts to attack or flank them. Then one morning they collapsed, actually catching Grant by surprise, unable to move reserves up quick enough to not allow Lee to escape again. Then it was a race to Appomattox (really it was a race to keep Lee from being able to turn south that ended at Appomattox).

              The point is, that history is resplendent with examples of sudden collapses after mounting a strong resistance, and they're often unpredictable at the time but with hindsight we're almost guaranteed. Nothing special about Ukraine.

  42. Dillinger   3 months ago

    >>A lot of the MAGA right is now acting like Zelenskyy is more villainous than he is in reality

    bit of a tyrant

    >>his forcible conscription of military-aged men is wrong; that he has suspended certain press freedoms and ought to hold elections even during wartime; that he is fighting a losing battle at great cost to his people

    I love when you contra-answer yourself. also you forgot he closed church.

  43. Medulla Oblongata   3 months ago

    Babylon Bee: Trump Institutes Military Draft For Everyone With Ukraine Flag In Their Facebook Profile

    1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

      Imagine Buttplug, mtrueman and JFree having to fight. Hilarious.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

        And Neocon Jeffy as he waddles onto the battlefield.

        1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

          He’d actually make a good meat shield.

          1. soldiermedic76   3 months ago

            Would he be considered cover or concealment? Or both?

            1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

              Even if the enemy didn't see him, he'd probably start asking them some stupid hypothetical questions, so concealment is out.

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   3 months ago

      I've been saying for decades, It's easy to support a war when it's not your kids dying.

  44. Landjo   3 months ago

    Maybe all of this insanity will change the narrative. Maybe Vance so obviously provoking Zelensky, and Zelensky taking the bait rather than focus on the minerals deal and give Trump a political win, was necessary to get him to resign, as Russia will not negotiate with him. At least now I hear from all sides hints of things unthinkable a few months ago but that are necessary for any chance of peace.

    But that and emerging out of talks with Putin saying things that sounded like the strawman version of a statement written by Lavrov is one thing. This decision is quite another. He could have used it as a massive lever for concessions from Putin, such as avoiding aggression beyond maintaining existing front lines. I am pretty sure Putin would have agreed to quite a bit in exchange.

    Trump has to be tough on Zelensky and the Europeans. He needs wins domestically. But equally so on Putin. And now that he is admitting more and more of us role in provoking the war, he has to take responsibility for ending it and bring about a security solution with hard sticks (and delicious carrots) that makes any notion of breaking the agreement unthinkable.

    Giving up such levers in the negotiations with Putin seems mindblowing. In fact I suspect Putin is mindblown as well.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

      Maybe Vance so obviously provoking Zelensky

      Which didn't actually happen, if you watch the full video (funny how this methodology is similar to the Nicholas Sandmann case). Zelensky was the one who decided to start litigating in front the cameras. The press is just mad that Vance chose to call him out on it and his generally entitled behavior.

      1. damikesc   3 months ago

        Hell, he called him "JD", which they are certainly not friendly enough to be using first names. Vance did call him "Mr. President" repeatedly.

        1. Dillinger   3 months ago

          >>he called him "JD"

          as soon as I heard that something something.

    2. mad.casual   3 months ago

      In fact I suspect Putin is mindblown as well.

      I disagree. At least not mindblown. From a Putin/Russian perspective, the US has bitten hard into a globalist socialist narrative it never really held and is, through various social issues, discovering the poison pill at the center.

      Certainly pushing back against the grasping of those levers based on his own interests but, at the same time, recognizing that the US, UK, Germany, France, Canada... all pulling on the same levers at the same time is inherently fucked up from/on their respective sides as well.

      Like your biggest HS (or grade school) bully vs. everyone in your HS class as a zombie. Yeah, your bully is a dedicated and inconvenient antagonist, but he's not as ubiquitous, dysfunctional, and hell bent on your destruction as the pro-Ukraine zombie hoard.

  45. Dillinger   3 months ago

    >>"It feels that it is less about smaller government than it is about political transformation. While the two intersect, this strategy could fall short."

    my money is on it will be beautiful, Veronique

  46. Dillinger   3 months ago

    >> ... makes Zelenskyy look pretty doomed to failure.

    dude was doomed to failure the second he agreed to the role.

  47. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

    Which writer is going to follow the script:

    THESE PEOPLE ARE A JOKE. A staggering 23 pathetic democrat senators just used the same script and clips word-for-word in a Trump-bashing video.

    They still haven't realized why they lost the election.

    https://x.com/Breaking911/status/1896974865422541262

    1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

      I was curious about this coordination, so I dived into this with AI and came up with a lot of names. Thread follows:

      First off, the Senate Democratic Caucus operates a Senate Democratic Media Center (SDMC), which “serves as a one-stop-shop for Democratic offices looking for high-level digital assets,” providing video editors, studios, and digital strategists for coordinated content.

      AI speculates that content was centrally developed – most likely under the direction of Senate Democratic leadership’s communications arm – and then executed by the senators’ communications staff in coordination.

      But the rabbit hole doesn't end here. Hang on...

      https://x.com/DataRepublican/status/1896983835402817944

    2. Mike Parsons   3 months ago

      "They still haven't realized why they lost the election."

      Still seeing a lot of doubling down on identity politics, articles like "why we are tired of listening to WHYTE MEN complaining", tranny town halls, and the icing on the cake, a fucking midwit imbred cousin fucking clown from Somalia, going with the :

      "the Americans are just ignorant drooling fools for voting Trump, and you cant even have conversations with them because they are so unintelligent"

      Keep. It. Up. Lose every election going with these paths.

      1. Super Scary   3 months ago

        I don't have a WSJ subscription, but I did see this treat posted a few days ago - "Can White Men Finally Stop Complaining?" https://www.wsj.com/politics/can-white-men-finally-stop-complaining-f2b190e0

        1. mad.casual   3 months ago

          Saying William Foster (Michael Douglas' character from Falling Down) is an icon of masculinity is like saying Gregor Samsa from The Metamorphosis or Winston Smith from 1984 is an icon of masculinity. Archie Bunker similarly sounds like, not an icon of masculinity, but someone a bunch of diverse childless cat ladies, who think crying during Predator is what a man in touch with his feelings would do, would consider to be toxic.

  48. Medulla Oblongata   3 months ago

    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1896587610098958643

    Rapid Response 47

    @RapidResponse47
    Illegal southern border encounters:

    Feb 2022: 166,010
    Feb 2023: 156,630
    Feb 2024: 189,913
    Feb 2025: 8,326

    What was that about "needing a bill" again?

    1. mad.casual   3 months ago

      And, again, the electorate voted for this overwhelmingly. They may not know *exactly* what the border policy is, but they don't want to pay for (social services and) a lack of enforcement.

  49. Medulla Oblongata   3 months ago

    https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1896687642080887017

    Libs of TikTok
    @libsoftiktok
    Camden “Sadie” Schreiner, a male track runner who cheats against women, was reportedly forced to run by himself in the Girl's 400M Open Masters Championships New York race after female competitors refused to run against him.

    He also competed in the Girl's 200m and where multiple other girls refused to run. Camden took first place in both events.

    THIS IS THE WAY

    REFUSE TO COOPERATE WITH THE MADNESS

    1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

      I’ve said from the beginning: women need to make a spectacle of it. If it’s a race, line up at the starting line, and when the gun goes off, take a couple steps forward then just stop. If it’s a team sport, when the game starts, sit down on the field and let the other team play by themselves while you sit there.

      1. mad.casual   3 months ago

        If it’s a race, line up at the starting line, and when the gun goes off, take a couple steps forward then just stop.

        I'm still not entirely clear on how the selective re-interpretation of the overarching rule doesn't enforce the degeneration of the sport into something between Calvinball and bloodsport.

        Line up in front of the finish line. Force him to run through you or, depending on the race, go around. Whichever way he chooses, a male fullback in pads gets to cease his forward progress in the expected fashion, as long as he's not targeting. If he really wanted to win the race, he should've kicked a field goal.

        Line up at the start line as a team on rollerblades. When you catch up to him on the track at any point, elbow him in the jaw. If he tries to get up, subsequent blockers can kneecap him.

        1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

          Hmm…

          Ok I got it. Let xer start running, and then a entire women’s roller derby comes flying out from the tunnel and beats the shit out of him.

          1. mad.casual   3 months ago

            We identify as the women's track team and we've got all the ova and DNA samples to prove it. Science bitch!

      2. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   3 months ago

        This is what I've been saying since the event occurred, that the USAA women's swim meet should have done to what's-his-face.

  50. mad.casual   3 months ago

    I don't believe he wants a "never-ending graft meat grinder" so much as he wants to defend Ukraine's sovereignty and not be forced to redraw his country's borders every decade.

    This detachment is at the core of all fundamentalism, religious, nationalist, or other. The desire to believe or need to fulfill a wish no matter how unreasonable and no matter how violently detached from reality it may be.

    Ultimately, it's zero knowledge, whether Zelenskyy wants to nobly sacrifice 100M lives to enrich himself as a war profiteer or whether he wants to sacrifice 100M lives in order to entrench Ukrainian culture and himself in it in perpetuity... the distinction is moot.

    1. Tony   3 months ago

      Prob just defending his country from a violent assault by a belligerent insane autocrat invader.

      1. Diarrheality   3 months ago

        Prob just defending his country from a violent assault by a belligerent insane autocrat invader is the propaganda used to paper over a very simple truth: A former comedian and political halfwit was suckered into playing a political game that needlessly cost thousands of lives in an effort to weaken a perceived enemy.

        1. Tony   3 months ago

          Also defending his sovereign country from an invasion.

          Good to know that when Putin casts his beady little eyes toward Alaska your position is simply to give it to him.

    2. mad.casual   3 months ago

      A lot of the MAGA right is now acting like Zelenskyy is more villainous than he is in reality. I don't believe he wants a "never-ending graft meat grinder" so much as he wants to defend Ukraine's sovereignty and not be forced to redraw his country's borders every decade.

      A lot of the literate public is now acting like Dr. Frankenstein is more villainous than he is in reality. I don't believe he wants a "murderous superhuman corpse race" so much as he just wants to cure disease or even stave off death itself.

      Again, for all the "UKRAINES IS NOT RUSHUNZ!", the distinctions between Hoosiers and Missourians is more pronounced and historically founded. That's not to say that Russia is justified in taking over part/all of Ukraine but unlike the retardation with Palestine and Israel leapfrogging back and forth across Empires into unrecorded history, we definitively know that Ukrainians and Russians were not any sort of existential opponents well after the Yankees and Confederates had managed to settle their border dispute.

  51. Social Justice is neither   3 months ago

    So on one side we have hysteria about Putin taking over all Europe and that's fine. On the other side we have a recognition that extending the war is a bloody meat grinder that Zelensky is adamant in pursuing in a lost cause and apparently that is beyond the pale. Fuck off with that, especially from everyone who saw no problem with the annexation of Crimea because Obama was in charge.

  52. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   3 months ago

    New York City public schools have been rolling out their "black studies" curriculum—which teaches about the Black Panthers and has children read Ta-Nehisi Coates' "The Case for Reparations"—in likely defiance of the Trump administration's new rules barring diversity, equity, and inclusion–focused curricula.

    Last action of the Department of Education, just before closing: Decertify NYC Public Schools.

    "I'm sorry. You graduated in NYC? We can't accept that as a diploma."

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