Has DOGE Already Lost Its Way?
Much cutting. Very waste. But the Department of Government Efficiency might not have the legal and budgetary chops to actually reduce spending.

A few weeks after the presidential election, Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy made a bold promise: They would team up to slash bureaucracy and cut trillions of dollars in federal spending.
Through the new Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), the pair promised to tackle "the sheer magnitude of waste, fraud and abuse that nearly all taxpayers wish to end," the pair promised in a joint op-ed printed in The Wall Street Journal.
"We are entrepreneurs, not politicians," they claimed. "We will serve as outside volunteers, not federal officials or employees. Unlike government commissions or advisory committees, we won't just write reports or cut ribbons. We'll cut costs."
More than two weeks into the second Trump administration, the situation has evolved considerably. Most obviously, Ramaswamy is no longer attached to the DOGE project, leaving Musk as the sole leader. Rather than being a volunteer working from outside the government, Musk now has an office in the White House, where the newly minted DOGE reports directly to Trump. And while the DOGE does seem to be aggressively targeting wasteful spending in the executive branch, it remains quite unclear whether those efforts will survive inevitable court challenges and whether the federal budget will actually decline (or at least grow less quickly) as a result.
The main problem in assessing the DOGE project at this point is that so much is unknown—and that much of that opacity seems to be intentional. Even the most basic things like the legal limits of Musk's role and how many staff are working for the DOGE remain unclear. More complicated questions like how much wasteful spending has been cut and whether those cuts can survive legal and congressional challenges are completely unknown. Indeed, even the most foundational aspect of what DOGE is doing—using presidential authority to block spending Congress has authorized—is on shaky legal footing. Musk is obviously moving quickly and causing a great deal of alarm within the administrative state, but it is hard to tell whether he's slashing government, breaking things, or merely putting on a big show for Trump's fans in the media and online.
Here's what we do know: The DOGE's mandate has already shifted significantly—to the point where it looks more like a more aggressive version of a Barack Obama–era project meant to streamline and digitize bureaucracy rather than the budget-cutting entity originally promised.
That might be a worthwhile goal, of course, and one that could give the president more direct control over the federal government's extensive contracting systems. But it is a considerably different one than the bold promise Musk made during the final stages of the presidential campaign: that DOGE would find $2 trillion in budget cuts.
Ramaswamy said last week that his departure from the DOGE was due to a difference in vision. Whereas he wanted to focus on cutting federal regulations and working with Congress to cut spending, as he and Musk noted in their Journal op-ed, he said the department has now "evolved from a focus on legal constitutional issues" to a focus on digital technology.
Has the DOGE already lost its way? Or has Musk shaped it into a scalpel that will ultimately prove more effective? Could it be both?
From Meme to the White House
Unofficially, the DOGE was born on August 19, when Musk tweeted an AI-generated image of his likeness standing behind a podium labeled "Department of Government Efficiency." "I am willing to serve," he wrote in the post, an apparent nod to some off-the-cuff remarks made by Trump a few days earlier.
Officially, however, new government agencies cannot simply spring from the foreheads of their fathers. After Trump won the election, and it became clear he was serious about appointing Musk (and Ramaswamy) to lead an IRL version of what had started as a campaign trail meme, there was widespread speculation about exactly what form the new entity would take.
On January 20, the country got the answer. Amid a flurry of Inauguration Day executive orders, Trump signed an order establishing the DOGE and gave it a mandate to "implement the President's DOGE Agenda, by modernizing Federal technology and software to maximize governmental efficiency and productivity." To achieve those goals, the DOGE was empowered to place teams of people within other federal agencies and departments to "improve the quality and efficiency of government-wide software, network infrastructure, and information technology (IT) systems."
As a practical matter, the DOGE took over the White House resources previously directed to the U.S. Digital Service, an entity created by the Obama administration with the goal of digitizing and modernizing governmental operations.
That executive order "resulted in a significant narrowing of the DOGE's mission, away from sweeping regulatory and budget cuts, toward a much narrower focus on tech modernization," James Broughel, a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, tells Reason. (While some of Broughel's colleagues have had direct meetings with DOGE staff, Broughel characterized his view of the new agency as solely that of an observer.)
Despite the narrower purview, Musk and the DOGE have certainly been busy. Musk's targets are the government's payment systems—in the Treasury Department and elsewhere—and federal payrolls. Working alongside the White House's Office of Personnel Management (OPM), the DOGE has offered buyouts to huge swaths of federal bureaucrats.
There's still no official list of who works in the DOGE or any idea of how many are full-time employees. There also remain serious and unresolved questions about the legality of Musk's role as the head of DOGE—while he concurrently serves as CEO of SpaceX (a government contractor) and Tesla—and his authority to access and direct federal spending without so much as a Senate confirmation under his belt.
Musk has also done a great job of promoting the DOGE's work on social media, where he has claimed to be cutting the deficit by about $1 billion a day—though there is no way to verify that claim, for now, in the absence of budget documents or independent assessments by the likes of the Congressional Budget Office.
Some of those claims have stretched the truth too. On Wednesday, for example, Musk (and White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt) touted shutting off $8 million that allegedly flowed from the U.S. government to Politico, a news outlet, over the course of 10 years. Those payments were subscriptions to Politico Pro, a premium service for policy professionals in both the private and public sectors that includes legislative tracking and other functions that some government workers might find beneficial.
Are all those subscriptions necessary? Probably not. Could some of that spending be curtailed? Almost certainly. But the existence of that spending is not a major scandal and $8 million (over 10 years) is a laughably small cut anyway.
'The Mission Change Is Real'
Broadly, two views of the DOGE have emerged.
On one hand, Musk rapidly seizing control of government payment systems has caused an uproar—both from those who applaud his efforts and those who believe it is an unconstitutional (or at least illegal) power grab.
"In the history of how to reform government, no one to my knowledge suggested getting hold of the systems controlling personnel and payments," Alex Tabarrok, professor of economics at George Mason University, posted on X this week. "Obvious in retrospect but [a] totally new play."
Others applauding Musk include Mick Mulvaney, the former White House chief of staff and former congressman. A longtime advocate of shrinking government, Mulvaney argued in The Hill this week that "DOGE, which, in fairness started as little more than a well-oiled public relations campaign, is now a real part of the federal government."
However, Mulvaney also admits that critics like Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D–N.Y.) have a point when they say the DOGE project lacks statutory authority for the moves it seems to be making.
So, in fairness, it may not be a "real part of the federal government" at all. And that uncertainty colors everything the DOGE is doing.
It seems inevitable that whatever control or oversight of federal spending the DOGE seizes will be subject to legal challenges. In part, that will depend on the Trump administration's ability to convince courts that the president can impound spending—that is, simply refuse to spend dollars that Congress has appropriated.
Provoking those legal challenges seems to be part of the plan. Under the terms of the Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974, the president isn't allowed to do that. Russ Vought, the new director of the OMB, has been open about his willingness to challenge that law's constitutionality. The outcome of that fight will likely determine how much of the DOGE cuts can stick.
In practice, Musk can claim to have shut down the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), but unless the courts and/or Congress go along with it, it hasn't happened. The president can audit, reform, manage, and otherwise exercise supervisory authority over the agency. He cannot simply shut down government programs unilaterally.
That makes it impossible to know, for now, what cuts will be lasting—and, ultimately, whether Congress will go along with any plans to reduce current spending (via impoundment) or future spending (by passing budgets that actually make cuts).
That lack of long-term certainty is what animates the other emerging view of the DOGE project. For those who are seriously concerned about the federal budget and rapidly accumulating national debt, firing some bureaucrats and slashing foreign aid—a puny part of federal spending—is a distraction from the real issues. Federal health spending (including Medicare and Medicaid), Social Security, defense spending, and interest on the national debt consume more than two-thirds of the nearly $7 trillion federal budget.
Certainly, cutting some wasteful spending is better than continuing to spend wastefully. Still, the context matters. Cutting a few billion in government contracts or staffing costs is next to nothing in a federal budget that totals nearly $7 trillion—that's $7,000 billion.
Even if Musk somehow managed to slash the federal work force by 20 percent, that would only save $60 billion. An extremely successful effort to trim mistaken payments might save $80 billion, but even these are relatively small figures given the enormity of federal spending, especially since Musk initially touted $2 trillion in savings.
And that assumes those cuts aren't blocked by courts, and that Congress doesn't immediately restore them in the next budget.
Regardless of how that plays out, it points toward a much smaller role than the one Musk told voters he would play in cutting spending and reducing the size of government. The new, more narrowly tailored the DOGE is better thought of as an attempt to revamp the administrative state through improved technology and a culture shift driven by Musk's experience in the private sector, to the frustration of some people who have met with DOGE staffers in recent weeks, who say the goals seem less ideological and less interested in budgetary and spending issues.
Broughel says that "some media outlets appear reluctant to recognize this shift," something he chalks up to Musk's and the DOGE's aggressive social media campaign highlighting wasteful government spending. "The mission change is real, however, and highlights the limitations of executive action without congressional support."
Cuts or Chaos?
With so much uncertainty still surrounding the DOGE, probably the best way to regard its efforts is through the narrowest—and most obviously lawful—part of its mandate.
That is, to see it as a rebranded and upgraded version of the U.S. Digital Service (USDS), which is what Trump's executive order plainly authorized. In that role, DOGE won't be able to single-handedly cut trillions of dollars, without congressional approval via legislation. But it can still do a lot of good.
"The 'how' of government is profoundly broken, and it needs to get fixed," says Jennifer Pahlka, a senior fellow at the Niskanen Center.
Pahlka helped launch the USDS when it was founded by the Obama administration in 2014 and has a unique perspective on whatever it is that Musk is trying to accomplish from his catbird seat in the White House. She's a Democrat and says she likely wouldn't be friends with Musk and is unlikely to cheer many of the policy changes that the Trump administration is pursuing.
Still, as someone who moved from the tech industry into the government with a mandate to make the federal bureaucracy more like the rest of the world in the 21st century—digital, efficient, and altogether less ossified—she has great interest in the DOGE's stated goals of greater efficiency. And she's rooting for positive changes, even if they seem far-fetched.
"I've come to believe that change doesn't happen painlessly," Pahlka told Reason in an interview last week. "My positive vision is that the disruption they will bring is of a nature that creates room for something more fit for the 21st century, more suited to the challenges that government needs to be addressing these days, and that takes a big chunk out of the sclerosis of our government."
She tempers that optimism with a warning about the inevitable tradeoffs. "Even in the best-case scenario, there's this interim period where I think some bad stuff can happen. Like, you know, you can mess with Twitter and you might risk it going down—but, who cares, right? No one is going to die."
"You mess with government systems in the same way and some bad stuff is going to happen, and I think it remains to be seen whether the bad stuff ends up being in proportion to the opportunity that this disruption creates," she says.
Almost three weeks in, there can be no doubt that Musk's instinct to "move fast and break things" is on full display within the DOGE. Whether that mentality can work in the stodgy world of bureaucracy remains to be seen. Even less certain is whether Musk's role in the White House translates into serious budget cuts, or merely unleashes chaos within the executive branch.
Things are happening quickly, and Pahlka's view is already shifting toward the latter. In a follow-up email on Wednesday, she expressed a more pessimistic view of what the DOGE has been up to. "I would just say that my concern is Musk's motivation. Is his ultimate goal a better, leaner government, and sees the current chaos as creative destruction? Or is he after something so fundamentally different that it doesn't respect the foundations our government is built on?"
Good questions, and ones that the Trump administration ought to answer.
Today's Republican Party is organized around Trump's whims. And the DOGE is in many ways a creature of those whims. But under the Constitution's separation of powers, only Congress has the power of the purse—which means the power to spend, and to not spend.
So in the end it will be up to Congress, working with the executive branch, to pass a budget that actually reduces government spending. Until that happens, the DOGE will be, at best, a sideshow—albeit one that libertarians might have a good, if tentative, reason to cheer.
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In short.
Boehm: how dare anyone actually attempt to do something good?!
"We reluctantly and strategically support the cutting of spending returning to previously accepted norms." - Reason "We totally aren't part of the grift too." Magazine
It’s fucking pathetic. Reason needs to clean house apart from good Liz and Robby and a couple others.
After Years of articles begging someone to gut the federal agencies some traction is just starting to materialize and Reason staff is angry that it’s happening.
Actually Robby exposed himself with his Politico story yesterday. He can fuck off too.
That was disappointing. I've been defending him lately and then he drops that bit of bs
That’s why I haven’t been defending Robby. I’ve seen his X posts, and they’re not as libertarian as I’d like. Liz’s, on the other hand, are more libertarian, closer to Stossel, and I think she’s being constrained and edited by KMW here.
KMW is fishing for clicks - and getting them! Just the fact that so many of us are upset by, and comment on, this article, arouses her, and fills that void in her .... bank account.
"THE WRONG PEOPLE ARE DOING THE STUFF WE PRETENDED WE WANTED!"
"It was supposed to be our friends in the Washington bureaucracy gradually implementing libertarian ideals and slowly and carefully reducing the gravy train. Not these uncultured Yahoos who we've been calling 'totalitarian'"
It's not even that. It's stuff they wanted, and as long as they just wanted it but had no reasonable chance to make actually happen, they could be dissidents. Now that dissident role's been taken away from them by actual activist dissidents who don't even acknowledge them as having been instrumental (because they practically weren't).
Roberta gets it.
This
its been two week they are just starting and yes things need to be figured out but its not not done "TODAY" so lets quit and go home and never try again
The main problem in assessing the DOGE project at this point is that so much is unknown
"But I'm going to anyway. Because by god, it's already been three weeks and they haven't finished yet!"
"I support what they're doing, but only when Other Team does it. Because my partisanship comes before my citizenship."
DOGE isn't about cutting waste and fraud, its a coup in progress, aimed at putting Elon Musk in charge of the US government, and ultimately of making him the unelected Dictator of America. OF COURSE it looks like it's lost its way, if you think its trying to do a better job of managing government spending. But once you realise its real goal, it's obvious.
See here for details: https://america2.news/content/files/2025/02/Musk-NRx-Memo-February-5-2025.pdf
So, this is the time for all patriotic American gun owners to do the Right Thing, and come to every federal government department to defend it from the coup in progress. Don't let the Muskovites into Federal buildings. Otherwise in a few months Donald Trump will be PINO: President In Name Only.
You go ahead and go confront Musk armed. We’ll be right behind you.
Oh well, so much for all the bullshit about the 2nd Amendment and Meal Team Six defending the Constitution. It was always a fantasy. At least when this is all over you won't be able to push that line again, because "Where were your guns in 2025?".
Where does the constitution talk about the likes of USAID and govt funding media outfits or engaging in regime change?
It was written in invisible ink.
Oh come on, try arguing in good faith. It's stuff that Congress is empowered to do. If people believed that USAID was unconstitutional before Trump told them it was, why didn't someone bring suit to block it? Unconstitutional laws get blocked all the time.
As for Politico, it turns out that detailed political reporting is a valuable commodity in a political environment. But Trump says it's corrupt, so it must be true.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-politico-payments-fact-check/
If people believed that USAID was unconstitutional before Trump told them it was, why didn't someone bring suit to block it?
They were all drinking the kool-aid and in on the grift! That's like asking why Bonnie didn't stop Clyde.
“…..is a valuable commodity….”
Well, maybe the bureaucratic parasites can pay for their own subscriptions, no?
You must be a “people are being deprived of (blank) if the government doesn’t provide it at taxpayer expense” kinda guy. Boy are you in the wrong place.
Haha.
Ok fed.
I'm certainly getting Ray Epps vibes from Paul256 and his post.
This was whipped up fast.
Someone on Team NeverCut must have gotten this through the pipe.
No one who actually believes in America *and* who wants to see spending reduced can be in favor of DOGE. Every significan impact Trump has attempted has been through fiat. Executive order. If you believe that there will be elections in the future, it doesn't take much critical thinking to see how this will game out. Let's assume he does not take over as a dictator/ king for life. Because unless you want that, what he is doing can and will be undone by the next Democrat elected President. A lot of his EOs would be undone by a Republican too. If he genuinely wants to cut spending he has to get it passed as law. A law that is COnstitutional is durable. An executive order is not. This all just performative bullshit. It's red meat to the halfwits and demitards who claim to both support the Constitution and support going over the heads of elected representatives. The two ideas are oxymoronic. Those who think he is doing something productive are just plain vanilla morons.
The goal can only be chaos. Wrecking things is easy. Building and maintaining them is hard. Elon is fucking up our government by creating a chaotic mess that will be overturned by any court (even the Supreme Court) it is defended in. It would be a Constitutional Crisis if there was a remote possibility that it could be argued to be Constitutional. Watching the colossal idiocy play out where he does something stupid, it gets undone a day or two later, and then doing something even dumber, is no way to Make America Great Again. It's fucking America sideways. I don't dispute that waste and fraud are rampant and that cuts are needed. Just fucking do it in accordance with the Constitution, not despite it.
Indeed, legislation should be introduced by Trump's allies in Congress to back up and implement his EOs. Give them time. You may not understand it, but it takes a long time to get legislation through Congress, particularly with such a narrow majority and the 60-vote rule in the Senate.
Trump is doing what CAN be done. But, of course, in some people's eyes the very, very good is the enemy of the perfect and should be condemned.
Well said.
Who would’ve thought to see a fed here commenting. Well, start packing your bags, dork, as you’re not gonna have that job for much longer.
Get a grip dude
There's no "coup" in exposing the corruption of USAID and other governmental groups. Whine harder, you've been caught.
Deep State sees any effort to reduce its grip on power as a coup. A coup against the bureaucracy is precisely what we need.
Well, at least then we'd know who the unelected dictator of America is. But I think it's more likely that you are full of shit.
I'm only occasionally here, so someone please help me out.
I have friends and family who are libs but they actively avoid information that would show them how wrong they are. They just want to belong to a tribe and not worry about politics. Not great, but understandable.
Reason writers get access to all of the information on a daily basis. They have been proven wrong repeatedly. This asinine article, the flagellation on tariffs, Covid, Biden's cognitive decline, and climate change. They are consistently wrong on every issue, yet when it is crystal clear they were wrong, not only is there, not an apology, there is no change in their behavior.
What gives? I understand people do shitty things to provide for their families. Are these writers being held hostage by their employers? Are they evil? Retarded? This article is beyond parody. If they are doing it for the grift or because they don't have any alternative real-world marketable skills, do any of them demonstrate that they feel bad about it?
It is almost a miracle that we have the closest thing to a Libertarian government since the founding fathers, and every day they pick a new idiotic reason to oppose it. Why are they even here?
Simple. They are at Reason to get clicks. These articles greatly increase the number of people like us who are incensed by their stupidity and anti-libertarian tenor, and yet click, read (or tl;dr) and post comments. This increases revenue to Reason, which pays KMW's salary as well as Sullum and the other idiots.
The last time it got this bad a group hived off to their own website, https://www.glibertarians.com/ , but that has become an echo chamber.
IMHO, these articles are, unfortunately, KMW et al's best shot at having a 'balanced' site with a libertarian core. A big FAIL.
I have friends and family who are libs but they actively avoid information that would show them how wrong they are. They just want to belong to a tribe and not worry about politics. Not great, but understandable.
You might want to listen to those friends and family a little bit more. I would suspect you'd find that they think exactly the same thing about you. Actively avoiding information that would show you that you might be wrong about something? Well, where do you go to find information that might contradict what you think? Just want to belong to a tribe? Well, if you label them as "libs", what do you label yourself?
I also find it odd that you say that they don't want to worry about politics, but you are describing them as having views strong enough to be able to place them in one political tribe or another. Maybe what you really mean is that they just want to pick a side and then let that side do everything so that they don't have to worry? Okay...Does that mean that you think that they should remain skeptical of what side they do pick and follow up with what they are actually doing to make sure it aligns with what their goals were when they picked that side? That sounds good to me. My view is that our politics has gotten so dysfunctional because the base voters of both parties are so focused on opposing the other side, that they don't think critically about their own.
The worst part, though, is that everyone would read what I wrote and say, "Yeah! Exactly!" And they would immediately agree precisely because they are thinking that I'm talking about their opponents and not them.
In short.
Boehm: how dare anyone actually attempt to do something good?!
In short:
MasterThief: How dare anyone be skeptical that what Trump and Musk are attempting to do is good?
Your rhetorical question has an unproven premise: That Trump/Musk/DOGE are attempting to do something that will be positive for the people of this country. People that are skeptical don't start their analysis of claims by accepting unproven premises.
This is what I find the most frustrating about the Trump/Musk phenomenon. Those two billionaires are people wielding enormous wealth and power, but the same people that are skeptical of anything said by any Democrat to the point of assuming that they have bad intent, are uncritically accepting what comes from Trumpworld as confirmed fact.
holy strawman batman!
It's tough sledding, cutting the government.
To me, the bigger story has been the insane level of freak-out on the left and by swamp creatures. That's how you know the effects are real, and on target. I hope it continues.
"To me, the bigger story has been the insane level of freak-out on the left and by swamp creatures."
And the fact that Reason writers joined in on the freakout, tells us that they are actually swamp-creatures too.
Yeah, pretty hard to refute. This should be every libertarian's dream. I didn't vote for Trump (or Kackles, or Chase), but I can unambiguously support the work he's doing here. And anyone who can't is either a big-government Democrat, a beltway grifter, a liar, or so addled by TDS that their political opinions shouldn't be take seriously by anyone. (Or, in Eric's case, all of the above.)
"This should be every libertarian's dream."
It should be every libertarian's dream that a president violates the law?
What law is being violated ? Be specific
Stop asking him to defend his narrative!
I was probably voting Libertarian before you were even born.
And *you're* so willing to defend your narrative, that you post under a pseudonym!
"...I was probably voting Libertarian before you were even born..."
Gee, perhaps you should have some idea of what libertarians believe.
I do indeed know what libertarians believe.
I even know some people who call themselves libertarians are so disconnected with the term that they voted for Donald Trump in preference to Chase Oliver.
Former democrat empty suit chase oliver? The one that campaigned on identity politics just 3 years ago?
Yeah. You're a fucking democrat lying to yourself lol.
Do you know any that voted for Harris over Oliver? A number of them work for reason.
You voted for Chase? Did you know he was gay?
Chase is gay? Does sarc know?
You mean the same Chase Oliver who was all for totalitarian control over Covid? STFD and STFU.
As opposed to former Democrat Donald Trump, who led an attempted coup to remain in power?
This is going great “Mark”.
Mark, you're doing well.
Blasting straight leftist narratives totally proves you're a libertarian.
Answer the fucking question, sockpuppet. What law is being violated? Be specific
"Answer the fucking question, sockpuppet. What law is being violated? Be specific"
Fuck off, you ignorant coward...hurling insults, hiding under the cover of anonymity. (And you call *me* a "sockpuppet!" What a maroon! Try having someone who actually knows what the word means explain it to you.)
I already did specifically write what law was being violated. It's not my fault that you can't read.
The Impoundment Act doesn’t apply to an audit, dip.
PEPFAR funding (to take just one example) wasn't simply "audited," dip. Try to have someone explain the meaning of that word to you.
PEPFAR funding was stopped. And even a REPUBLICAN Senator, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, thought the funding stoppage wasn't simply a temporary accident:
https://x.com/SenBillCassidy/status/1886546867548512456
"PEPFAR is the epitome of soft power. It is a Republican initiative, it is pro-life, pro-America and the most popular U.S. program in Africa. There’s even a waiver acknowledging this, yet I’m told that drugs are still being withheld at clinics in Africa. This must be reversed immediately!!"
Mark with the libertarian belief no spending can ever be stopped or reviewed.
Good work Mark.
You never voted Libertarian, ‘Mark’. You’re just not her democrat sock.
"You never voted Libertarian, ‘Mark’".
I've probably voted Libertarian more than any person commenting on this article.
I voted L in every presidential election from Harry Browne to Johnson/Weld. So what? Do I get a free watch or something? Nobody gives a shit.
Go to bed old man!
typical far left cultist....i know better than anyone else so listen to me. Top Men.
Appeal to being old is an interesting tactic.
I'm waiting for him to take a page out of Hank's playbook and start talking about the 1972 Libertarian platform, girl-bulliers, and Comstock Laws.
I've heard this script from most of the dem defending retards.
You didn't cite the law BTW.
Imagine posting on a website associated with the Cato institute and complaining about people using a pseudonym. I’d feel pretty retarded if I did that but you do you, “Mark”.
"What law is being violated ? Be specific."
Didn't you read Eric Boehm's article? The Budget Impoundment and Control Act of 1974 does not allow a president to simply completely stop spending that has been authorized by Congress for specific tasks.
For example, DOGE appears to be aiming to completely shut down all spending on U.S. AID. The president...let alone DOGE...is not authorized to simply stop all U.S. AID spending.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-does-not-authority-abolish-191020922.html
“Because Congress established USAID as an independent establishment (defined in 5 U.S.C. 104) within the executive branch,...'
Pretty sure the constitution established 3 branches of government, not 3-1/2.
"Pretty sure the constitution established 3 branches of government, not 3-1/2."
I *know* the Constitution gives no authorization to the President to simply ignore tasks for which Congress has appropriated money.
He isn't ignoring appropriation authorized, he moved the function to State.
This is just more proof you're ignorant and just pushing liberal nonsense.
What powers does Article 2 provide? You seem to be ignoring their powers in deference to Congress. With an utter ignorance to what is happening.
USAID was low hanging fruit. $Billions$ spent every year, with low level allocations, and massive wastage. And worse, much of the money spent in recent years was spent against what most of us consider our national interests - e.g. Gain of Function research at the WIV (giving us COVID-19), paying for much of the concrete used to build the tunnels under Gaza, pushing LGBTetc around the world, facilitating massive illegal immigration into this country, etc. Low level bureaucrats had near Carte blanche power to authorize disbursements.
But if low level bureaucrats can authorize all of these disbursements, then the authorization can be moved up to the top of the agency. The law doesn’t say that only specified GS-14s can authorize spending $millions$ here or there, but that the agency will spend these large pots of money here and there. And what Trump and Sec. Rubio have done, is moved the final authority of deciding where to spend the money from low level bureaucrats to the State Department, where it can be better integrated with our foreign policy (instead of often being spent counterproductively).
Which is to say that the Impoundment arguments are inappropriate and disingenuous. The budgeted monies will still be spent - just not spent the way that it was being spent.
For example, DOGE appears to be aiming to completely shut down all spending on U.S. AID.
This is incorrect. Some functions will be transferred to the State Department and that spending will therefore continue.
"This is incorrect. Some functions will be transferred to the State Department and that spending will therefore continue."
That is occurring only because adults, who actually care about the laws of the United States, realized that what DOGE was trying to do was blatantly illegal:
https://x.com/SenBillCassidy/status/1886546867548512456
This is false. Lol.
This was done on day one.
How fucking wrong are you? Keep digging buddy. Defend the unelected bureaucracy spending tens of billions.
You miss the point. The budgeted money will be spent. The issue is instead, how does it get spent, and who authorizes the payments?
Somehow, you think that moving the discretion to decide these things away from low level bureaucrats and insisting that they be in tune with our foreign policy, as determined by the President and his State Department, is somehow childish. Seems a silly argument.
Yes, but Boehm was kind of lying. Also, they've already said USAID won't be completely shut down... Although it should be.
Also, you still weren't specific as to what law is being violated here.
If you were actually a libertarian and not an establishment progressive in a skin suit, you would be overjoyed over what is going on right now.
"If you were actually a libertarian and not an establishment progressive in a skin suit, you would be overjoyed over what is going on right now."
You're an ignorant twit. You know nothing about me. I've commented online, under my own name, going all the way back to the early days of "Free Republic."
No true libertarian should be "overjoyed" when a president blatantly violates the law...let alone when he allows people who haven't even been vetted by Congress to come in and blatantly violate the law.
We should be a nation under the rule of law, not under the rule of men and women.
If you knew anything at all about me, you'd know that I think that virtually everything the federal government does is unconstitutional. That includes the federal minimum wage, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Department of Education, Department of Energy, all federal ownership of lands outside of Washington DC and military bases, etc. etc. etc. Even *standing armies*.
And that most certainly includes U.S. AID. Only days ago, when Tyler Cowen at "Marginal Revolution" asked for materials on U.S. AID, I wrote that the most important thing he could read about U.S. AID was from James Madison:
"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
But, starting from the point of view that 95+ percent of what the federal government does is unconstitutional, it would be simply wrong to, for example, simply stop paying out Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, and even U.S. AID. The president is not a king. His function is to follow and enforce the laws that Congress has written. Bringing in people who haven't even been vetted by Congress to simply stop payment on large chunks of what Congress has authorized is illegal. And it's also morally wrong.
Begging the argument.
He isn't violating a single law. We have posted the legal analysis retard.
You're just repeating ignorant democrat blather.
"We have posted the legal analysis retard."
So you think it's legal for a president to simply stop spending on something like PEPFAR?
Temporarily? 100%. Prior executive decisions for allocations? 100%
Also he moved direction to state as stated above.
Do you even know what the law authorizing USAID says? It states US interest dumbfuck. He has broad leeway to determine what that interest is.
You're an idiot.
Stop watching maddow.
Did Congress pass legislation specifying each expenditure that USAID makes? Or was a total budget allocated to USAID and USAID decided what they were going to spend it on?
If it's the latter, and USAID is under the Executive Branch, then cutting specific expenditures and redirecting them elsewhere should not be a problem, right? Now if the money isn't spent at all, you might have a point (debatable). But I recall another act of Congress that allows the executive to spend less of what was allocated if it can accomplish the mission at a lower cost. Does anyone remember what Act I'm thinking of?
We get it. You’re old.
He follows Amash so he is the one true libertarian.
Considering the president takes an oath to uphold the constitution, not the laws passed by Congress... if the government is doing unconstitutional things according to the judgment of the president, the president can and should absolutely stop doing those things. (He may need to defend those judgments in court, but make Congress sue and argue their constitutionality).
Congress cannot compel the president to do things which are unconstitutional.
Per Marbury v. Madison, the unconstitutionality is a completely valid defense of the Executive doing exactly what you oppose and declare illegal since "a law repugnant to the constitution is void, and that courts, as well as other departments, are bound by that instrument." (emphasis added).
You and Eric are two retards on the same short bus.
Have you actually read that law and the court cases around the law?
That law was issued due to Nixon refusing to implement congressionally appropriated programs. That law does not require every penny spent. It does not require funding every liberal program. It retains the executive execution of appropriation. The executive simply can't ignore their action. It flows from the take care clause.
You are a fucking retard.
Prior to OMB changes to appropriation language under Obama, it was common course not to spend every time appropriated. We still have 10s of billions in covid appropriated funds you retarded fuck.
The USAID activities were moved to State, not stopped.
You sound dumber than Maddow and are displaying an utter ignorance to what the law is.
Yeah but he’s very old, so there.
Dammit. Foiled again.
There is a detailed list of the actions being taken by DOGE and the laws and constitutional clauses they violate in https://america2.news/content/files/2025/02/Musk-NRx-Memo-February-5-2025.pdf
But none of them are the 2nd Amendment, so they don't matter. Right?
The NRx Agenda? The Dark Enlightenment? Really?
Yes. It's simple. Musk believes he is more intelligent than Trump (and he's correct). And concludes that therefore he should be in charge instead of Trump. While Trump plays at being President, signing lots of EOs about culture war stuff to delight his base and own the libs, Musk is systematically taking over the machinery of government and putting in people who are loyal to him, not to Trump or the Constitution.
It would be fun watching Trump figure this out, if it weren't for the fact that it will be too late for American democracy.
Oh, c'mon, at least half the staff at Reason are anarchists and don't subscribe to the very idea of the state and its law. Now they fucking complain that the law is--supposedly--being circumvented to reduce the size of the state?
It is outright depressing at this point.
At this point, honestly, what the fuck is the point of libertarianism? It seems to be total bullshit.
Yes, just remove the "seems to be". The LP now shares a total lack of principles with the Ds and Rs, but unlike those parties it is incapable of winning or governing anything. Total joke.
"At this point, honestly, what the fuck is the point of libertarianism? It seems to be total bullshit."
Libertarianism is unquestionably the best way to run countries. The Cato Institute assesses freedom in the world every year. And every year, the countries that are highest in freedom are the best places to live, the countries that are lowest in freedom are the worst places to live, and the countries in between are in the middle with respect to being good places to live.
https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index/2023
Lol. Appeal to CATO hasn't worked here in 10 years dumdum.
Lol. This you?
https://x.com/MarkBahner/
Nice small list of followers but it gives up your game. Your posts are hilarious though.
Lol. You believed sicknick was killed by J6ers.
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Good grief. Thinking that's an appropriate analogy says a lot about your grip on reality. An in-shape 42-year-old cop was pepper-sprayed, and died of a stroke less than 24 hours later. A female cop and a mugging victim were pepper-sprayed had strokes immediately. Do the math.
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There's plenty of evidence pepper spray caused his strokes: 1) we know he was pepper-sprayed, 2) we know his strokes were less than a 24 hrs after he was sprayed, 3) we know pepper spray can cause strokes, and 4) we know why pepper spray causes strokes.
You're a fucking leftist retard.
God damn. It gets worse.
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"Nobody wanted to take over the government." --> Donald Trump wanted his supporters to keep him in power, even though he lost the election. That's been obvious to everyone with a grip on reality since Jan 6, 2021. It's absolutely insane to claim otherwise, more than 4 years later
Shit ton of posts pushing the false democrat lies about Sicknick.
Lol.
You even go after the medical examiner because it didn't confirm to your biases.
Mark Bahner
@MarkBahner
There's no need to ignore what the Medical Examiner or or the Capitol Police say. But there's no reason to treat them as inerrant, either. Especially when the Internet provides several cases wherein pepper spray unquestionably caused strokes.
This old senile chucklefuck is just a run of the mill liberal from his twitter. I see nothing libertarian on his X account.
Liberals that can’t admit to being liberals. Own it for once.
“We need common sense pepper spray controls”.
Yeah, reading the same comments by this asswipe now. He’s a lot like Jeffy.
This reminds me of a scene in The Godfather. Simply replace "Paulie" with "Mark".
"Oh, Paulie...won't see him no more." --Peter Clemenza
Ironically I see zero actual libertarian posts from you. Just leftist rage posts.
Lmao:
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You don't run the U.S. government. Elon Musk does. If he says PEPFAR goes, then PEPFAR goes
It is worse than jeffs Twitter.
His Twitter reminds me of Jeffy’s comments here.
Looks like Mark has fled. What a coward.
What a shame; it would've been so nice to finally have a true libertarian posting here.
Can this site handle two true libertarians?
Funny how in these kinds of lists it's always the Nordic countries dominating the top 10, and often the top 5. You know, the ones with socialized health care, humane prisons, broad social safety nets, generous state pensions, and of course the taxes to pay for it all.
The ones that consistently complain when Bernie Sanders holds them up as examples of 'Socialism'?
Um, of course they are part of the Swamp. Reason offices are in DC, and KMW loves DC.
They should move their offices to Cincinnati or Kansas City, or Dallas, or similar level-headed cities. And the writers should be required to come into the office so they can't live in Chevy Chase or Park Slope and email it in. They need to be in among real people.
It's the hit dog that yelps.
The flak tells us we are over the target.
"...To me, the bigger story has been the insane level of freak-out on the left and by swamp creatures..."
There are many billions of dollars in play here, and swamp critters like Pelosi and Biden have become very, very wealthy while sitting on their asses and producing absolutely nothing of value.
The entire lot is going to fight tooth and nail to keep the gravy train running, and what we see now are merely the opening skirmishes.
Yes, there are hundreds of thousands of government apparatchiks who make up the Deep State, and Trump is a threat to almost all of them. Why do you think DC is so blue?
DOGE doesn't have authority to do shit.
But Trump does. And the Secretaries do.
I voted against Trump, and I agree that giving some random teenagers with no security clearance unfettered access to government personnel data is BONKERS.
But we should be quite clear that the actions being taken are by the departments themselves, under the direction of Trump.
I agree that giving some random teenagers with no security clearance unfettered access to government personnel data is BONKERS.
If you presume they would fudge the distinction between DOGE's authority and POTUS's authority, why would you consume and/or regurgitate this narrative uncritically?
Even the old Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect assumed/required a full context shift between stories; not that everyone's so utterly retarded as to be unable to contextualize three back-to-back sentences.
Doge actually does under an Obama era department. It was just renamed. See yesterday's roundup comments.
Also the "children" were given security clearances. The ultimate authority on classified material is the president.
Also it is unlikely that the investigators are making the calls. They are just uncovering the money trail. Someone else up the chain of command is making the call on what to cut, maybe that person is ultimately Trump.
I do wish some of this would get forged into legislation so it can't be whipsawed back to it's old state.
Executive is already authorized to act in the manner DOGE has.
They are controlled by the take care clause. Congress has oversight powers but they don't have micromanaging powers.
But that violates interagency protocol! Which overrules the constitution, according to Alexander Vindman. And probably Reason.
The deep state already has all of your data, and they regularly use it against you.
I am on team teenager because at least this time the immature fuck mishandling my data has a name and a face.
How much information has the IRS leaked in the past 10 years alone...
I do NOT trust the motherfuckers in government with my data. They've proven themselves unworthy stewards of it. Deny them access to it,
So do the Chinese
What is the difference between "some random teenagers with no security clearance" and the people working for these agencies?
Or the difference between those running the Biden Administration these last 4 years
About 50 years per person.
One more TDS-addled steaming pile of shit who seems terrified that Trump might accomplish something!
Go ask your mommy for some warm milk and then fuck off and die.
"But we should be quite clear that the actions being taken are by the departments themselves, under the direction of Trump."
At this point, I don't think that's clear at all.
It is if you stop relying on MSNBC.
Doge has zero authority to cut spending. That is not controversial. It can only audit expenditures. US AID was put under the direct authority of Rubio because he determined that the agency was mismanaged. He was acting within his authority as SOS, also not controversial. Trump is intentionally provoking legal challenges on multiple fronts to test their constitutional or legal legitimacy. To simply claim that his actions are illegal or unconstitutional is just silly and pointless at this point.
But…. but….. what about interagency protocol!!????!!??
I agree that giving some random teenagers with no security clearance unfettered access to government personnel data
Most people who deal with government personnel data are uncleared.
Now if they show up at work and start requesting access to the systems where we keep the design information for nuclear weapons, I will certainly be insisting on seeing both a clearance and a NTK justification.
Looking at lists of what USAID and other agencies spent, and who they spent it with, does not rise to that level. Not even close. Don't be absurd.
"...giving some random teenagers with no security clearance unfettered access to government personnel data is BONKERS..."
Where were you for the last 4 years when we had anonymous 'acting' presidents?
I'm straining very hard to see how this is in any way the 'constitutional crisis!!!!!' worthy of thousand+ word articles and moral panic.
As far as I understand it, the way that congress and the executive have worked for most of my life is:
Congress appropriates amount 'N' to be spent by Agency 'X' to accomplish goal 'Y'. The executive gets to decide if program 'P' qualifies and, if so, how much it gets.
Trump could cut all the LGBTQ/DEI/4th estate funds being spent by USAID and redirect them to build a resort in Gaza unless congress specifically said '8 million needs to be spent on subscriptions to Politico' in the spending bill.
DOGE is just the external auditing team, the CEO is the one deciding whether to act on the suggestions.
Exactly. The only “constitutional crisis” I see is that these agencies have gone rogue and ignore the executive to which they belong.
Yes. If Biden did all of this it would be uncontroversial. In fact his administration loaded up every agency with DEI, LGBT and Green New Deal mandates and spending. Did congress authorize and provide funding for biological males to compete in women's sports? No. the executive did that.
It's also bonkers to have 10s of thousands of anonymous bureaucrats and NGO people effectively running things. So I'll take this as long as the findings and activities continue to be reported publicly.
I love it when “libertarians” whine about cutting government spending. I’m convinced now these crooks took USAID funding
I'm convinced they aren't actually libertarians.
They are showing it was all false praise of Millei and false demands to abolish.
They are showing it was all false praise of Millei and false demands to abolish.
I feel an awful lot like Nardz or Misek saying it, but I'm pretty sure it's a "He's not White European, he's S. American!"
If you listen to Millei and Reason and Trump and the Mises Caucus, it doesn't make sense any other way.
And again, this is the same magazine that was all "We need open borders." right up until Kyle Rittenhouse crossed a completely open State Line in his own backyard in order to help clean up and put out a dumpster fire in his Dad's neighborhood.
Well, it is yet to be seen whether any actual cuts in spending will come from all this. I'm somewhat optimistic, but that mostly depends on congress (as long as the impound act or whatever it is continues to be in force). And it still won't be all that significant unless entitlements are addressed.
Who gives a shit, really? The US electorate clearly doesn't.
Politics is reality TV. Pop some popcorn, grab a spot on the couch, and watch the utter fuckshow play out in front of us. Unlike prior fuckshows, this one will be utter chaos, by design, to abjectly fuck with anyone who stood up and uses this bureaucracy as a shield. You have one group of people who are using a playbook from the left—fuck with as much shit as you can as fast as you can so that everyone is left in the dust with the first distraction while you're working on distraction #3,4,5...
You're seeing Trump use the left's playbook against them in realtime. They have no fucking idea what to do. This is classic divide and conquer. Hit every democrat soft-spot issue hard and fast so that you divide the left on every issue possible. Fucking epic.
Trump is the master "I-will-fuck-with-you-in-chief". You win negotiations by creating massive imbalances in positions. And this is a hedge. Governments want to be predictable: Trump does not. He is negotiating with what is predictable, they are not. They have a significantly reduced negotiating position as a result.
Buy stock in popcorn producers. This is going to be a long haul...
Reddit resistance fed workers have already stated the game plan to stop Trump is to yell process and not let him accomplish things.
Here we have Eric yelling process to try to stop the cuts he has in the past pretended to want.
I already posted that DOGE isn't illegal yesterday. It is a rename if an Obama department that has legal authority to use technology to increase efficiency and identify waste.
But like a good resistance member, Eric repeats the process screams.
I didn’t rtfa. Did he even quote the actual EO that showed Trump just renamed an existing agency?
Eric doesn't do research.
Jesus, Eric. I couldn't even get past the subhead:
"Much cutting. Very waste."
WTF does that mean?
"But the Department of Government Efficiency might not have the legal and budgetary chops to actually reduce spending?"
Yeah, that's not actually a question, this it doesn't warrant a question mark. Just like you aren't actually a libertarian and don't warrant space in a (supposedly) libertarian publication.
"Much cutting. Very waste."
WTF does that mean?
That is Eric's "Hello, fellow kids" moment.
And, we already know the Left can't meme.
It means he's stoned.
In a sane world, he would be stoned.
Just like in Shirley Jackson’s excellent short story ‘The Lottery’.
I’m guessing there’s a lot of increased drug use by Reason staff to cope right now.
Today's Republican Party is organized around Trump's whims. And the DOGE is in many ways a creature of those whims. But under the Constitution's separation of powers, only Congress has the power of the purse—which means the power to spend, and to not spend.
Where was this attitude while Biden's handlers were throwing BILLION$ at Ukraine?
This dood is defending "Politico Pro" subscriptions, FFS.
Like most of the leftists here, jeffsarc, see their repetition of the NYT narrative and no actual questioning or investigation of the separation of powers question.
Congress does allocate spending. It does pass legislation. But it is the executive that executes and has discretion as to how and for how much.
Even when the impoundment act was discussed the courts never ruled the executive had to spend every penny allocated, they said executive has discretion as long as they take care of the action required.
The fight against Nixon was he refused to act on a program passed by Congress, not they he didn't spend every penny.
But here Eric makes the argument that the executive has zero role in determing the costs required to act on a Congressional legislative act. This has never been claimed by a single court.
It's either malicious or ignorant as to why him and idiots like jeffsarc keep making this claim, but only now. Not during any dem presidency.
Trump is not creating new spending or new laws. He is identifying fraud, corruption, and increasing efficiency. This is all within his article 2 powers.
By the way. Reasons sudden shift to Congress is king is hilarious after years of blaming Trump for all covid spending.
Biden created spending. That is what is wrong. Trump is not spending all that he is allocated.
You fuckers claim you want to cut spending but immediately jump to every allocated penny has to be spent when you see any cut.
Where was this attitude while Biden's handlers were throwing BILLION$ at Ukraine?
Translation: Democrats did it first, that makes it ok.
Clown comment from the house weasel.
I mean he is a retard whose only belief system is what he hears on MSNBC or podcasts. He has no interest in actually learning about anything.
This is its only interaction on a daily basis. Nobody cares about it so it comes here for negative feedback. At least it’s something.
True. Sarc is probably 86’d from every bar in his town by now. I would also wager he doesn’t have any real teeth left either, between his lifelong severe alcoholism and the repeated beatings visited upon him by those he annoys.
Tell us more about that one book you read that made you smarter than every economist the world has ever known.
Tell us more about the online test you took that makes you a libertarian.
Don’t forget that his ‘coworkers’, i.e. the other hobos who live in his alley, think his posts are really clever.
Have you ever actually read a book? Not a wikipedia page; a book.
Sarc: “Does Archie’s comics count?”
That’s a little high brow for Sarc. I think his preferred reading are pop up books.
So instead of addressing any issues brought up, you decide to straight up go on the attack. Sarc, Randy Newman wrote a song about you. It goes like this, “short people…”
Translation: when Dems did it I was for it, only when Reps did it will I claim it's a problem.
Translation: Democrats did it first, that makes it ok.
Translation: when Democrats did it I was for it. Every action becomes illegal when performed by anyone other than my team.
And your start you day with your typical strawman. How unoriginal, Sarc.
It's opposite day, I see. The difference here is Trump is not throwing away money; he's preventing it from being spent.
NOT spending money is what has the leftists' pissed.
House weasel is funny AF.
I find it kind of funny and ironic that those of you who are so adamant that immigrants must do everything according to the law have absolutely no issue at all with Trump ignoring both the law and the Constitution. Not only that but you honestly believe that anyone who objects to him ignoring the law or the Constitution doesn't want to cut spending. Trumpism is a mental illness.
What laws are Trump ignoring?
Sarc seems to think we're required to believe the left's misstatements of reality when they are repeated a sufficient number of times. Just because this works in academia doesn't make it a requirement out here in the free world.
The one written in invisible ink that says ‘but….. but….. Trump!’.
Good question, especially since I recall Sarc in yesterday's comments saying that Trump wasn't breaking the law. His complaint was that it wouldn't be permanent cuts if not passed by Congress. Today he's saying that Trump is breaking the law and the Constitution.
Cite the federal code that Trump is ignoring or STFU, Sarc.
Thanks for your input, Brian Stelter.
Fucking moron.
Keep sucking government cock, whore.
And I find it kind of funny and ironic that a guy who likes to say “fuck you, cut spending” is, well…….. you.
Haha.
and $8 million (over 10 years) is a laughably small cut anyway.
Not to the people that received the cash. Which is why they keep sucking at the teat.
Fuck you, Boehm. Cut spending! Faux-libertarians need to be cut from the editorial staff.
"Unless you can erase the deficit in a single swipe, don't bother."
And, even if you could, you really should get Congress' approval first.
Just like getting rid of illegals. If we can’t do it all at once over a long weekend then we should just leave the border wide open.
It's only a tiny bit of corruption. So ignore it. There's no way there is more corruption.
Same argument they used for cleanest election ever.
It's only a little bit of money being laundered to a domestic news agency under the title of international development. If you don't like it, build your own USAID!
I had an old boss who used to preach "If you watch after the dimes, the dollars take care of themselves."
I don't think Eric is a believer in that saying.
I had an old boss who used to preach "Don't be penny wise and pound foolish", which would describe trying to cut government spending in drips and drabs while ignoring Social Security and Medicare.
Sarc: “If you can’t cut it all at once, there’s no point in even trying!”
Also you completely missed the point of the saying.
What makes you think social security and Medicare won’t be audited as well?
They've already announced Medicaid and Medicare is next. Sarc was in threads where we said this.
Sarc is flailing.
More "Me bitching about cutting tiny amounts of money does not mean I will not ALSO bitch about cutting larger amounts of money".
Suck. More. Government. Cock.
Sarc, your democrat friends won’t allow any restructuring of SS, so fuck you. You’re the impediment. Not Trump.
Just for perspective, a trillion is a million millions. So a million here and a million there needs to be done a million times to add up to a significant portion of the budget.
Reasoning like this is why fatties like jeffy never lose weight.
He’s a degenerate alcoholic. Let him die in peace.
They add up, dingbat. Did you fail math as well as reading in the third grade?
So a million here and a million there needs to be done a million times to add up to a significant portion of the budget.
How the fuck is that even relevant? I guarantee it is possible to find a million people willing to defraud the US government for a million dollars. That large a reward is worth the risk.
Wasn't that 8-MILLION that just got cut from Politico budget?
Sarc’s ’libertarian’ argument for wasteful unconstitutional spending.
Let's apply that logic to deporting illegal immigrants. It's only isolated ICE raids to deport, a bit here, a bit there. So you don't have a problem with it then, right? Since it's not deporting all 15+ million illegals at once it doesn't really matter to you and you support it right?
No widespread cutting!
The #1 Democrat complaint about Trump is written in the DNC platform.
"He hollowed out our public institutions"
If you say "Fuck you, cut spending", but object to cutting the government in a manner that's not lawful nor constitutional, then you're a hypocrite who doesn't want to cut government at all.
Fallacies for the win!
object to cutting the government in a manner that's not lawful nor constitutional,
It's funny how the left wingers just make up whatever they wish were true. Now they're pretending the constitution prohibits the President from organizing the executive branch of government.
Completely oblivious to the fact the "laws" are meant to protect the graft. Fuck you, cut spending.
Name the laws and cite the sections of federal code and for that matter, Article II, that Trump is ignoring, Sarc, or STFU.
But you just said Trump HADNT broken any laws yet. Which is it sarc? Quit being FOS. Or better yet, fvck off for good
Good toIng Trump is following the constitution. Unlike your democrat friends.
There is no executive line-item veto in the laws. If Trump and Elon want that, they have to get it passed through Congress. Do you think the military industrial complex will allow that? Notice that Elon has not tried to cut any excessive Pentagon waste. In comparison to Pentagon waste, Head Start is a percent of a penny.
For any headline phrased as a question the answer is no.
But it's interesting watching supposed libertarians flail about trying to find a way to criticize cutting government.
After decades of being upset about the authoritarians implementing unconstitutional laws, regulations and social programs, now all of a sudden they're upset that the Trump Administration is using unconstitutional means to nullify the unconstitutional laws, regulations and social programs they objected to. Gotta luvvit!
AbOLiSh EvErYtHiNg!!!
*whisper whisper*
TeSLa mAn BaD!!!! Reeeeeee!
+1
AboLIsH EVerYhtINg!!!
[NO OCCUPANCY notices posted on 1/3rd of the Reagan Center]
WhO AutHOriZed ThIS?!
Who authorized this? Who the fuck are you to even ask?
" . . . and $8 million (over 10 years) is a laughably small cut anyway. "
To misquote a very wise elephant; "a cut is a cut, no matter how small".
$8 million (over 10 years) is a laughably small cut anyway.
If it's so trivial, then why all the wailing and gnashing of teeth?
Rather than being a volunteer working from outside the government, Musk now has an office in the White House.
So your assertion is that the token office makes him an insider?
MUSQUE HAS AWFICE HAR! HAR!
fuck. off.
Moreover, OK, he's an insider with an office pushing or trying to shutter a $50B agency, what's your point?
Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden *all* did this to varying degrees without anyone batting an eye. Other than the opposition to cutting USAID specifically and $50B in spending generally, what makes this so special?
Would you feel better if it were Rex Tillerson or Steve Mnuchin? Is it because you really like the spending and the size of the federal government or do you just hate African American immigrants?
Yep, a lot of this seems to be squealing "he's not doing this the right way!" IOW, he's actually doing something instead of pretending.
Sometimes it's better to beg forgiveness than ask permission.
That’s when I stopped reading. Do Reason staff not realize how discrediting dumb bullshit like that is?
Probably not. When they’re that deep in the swamp, they have no clue how absurd it looks from the outside.
So, Reason likes cutting bloated government in principle (like when they want to sound edgy at D.C. cocktail parties), but not in action. Anyone got an extra Shocked Face I can borrow?
and nothing has even been cut yet just put on hold for further review. after the USAID paid Judges start stopping Trump with bogus rulings I'm doubtfull there will be much success but hopefully the daylighting of the useless expenses will wake up a few people.
that said i have a liberal relative who is all up in arms about eliminating monies to queer tranny plays in other countries. it just proves their TDS
If Trump lets a bunch of deep state judges stop him, I will be very surprised, and just a bit disappointed. What a waste of popcorn!
If potus doesn't have the authority to spend less than clearly he has the authority to burn it. Better to burn the money then continue to fund the people involved.
POTUS hasn't had the authority to do ninety percent of the things POTUSes have been doing at any time over the last hundred years or more. After the near total abdication of Congressional responsibilities during that period of time, very few Democrats and even fewer Republicans have appealed to the courts about it. Indeed, Congress seems to have enjoyed not having to make the hard choices over the decades, preferring mock internecine battles over special commemorative holidays and a burgeoning list of executive agencies and departments to do their work for them. If nothing else, at least Trump's wrecking ball may force them to grow a pair and actually take responsibility for a while.
Has DOGE Already Lost Its Way?
No. They're fine. You're just still pissed that a guy you despise for reasons that have nothing to do with government is doing all the things you always said you wanted government to do, and the cognitive dissonance is making your brain melt out of your ears.
Shut them all down. Let God sort them out.
^BINGO +10000000000
That’s because Reason staffers are almost all outright progtards (Little Emma), or progtards cosplaying as libertarians (Boehm, Sullum, Lancaster, Hooker with a Heart of Gold Liz, Bi ion, etc.).
What if - I dunno - Congress failed yet again to pass an actual budget and spending authorizations and, instead of accepting an omnibus reconciliation agreement authorizing continued spending at previous levels for the umpteenth time, the President vetoed the bill and shut down government all at once. What remedy in the Courts would the Democrats seek then? What would happen if all these appeals ended up being rejected by the Supreme Court? Tune in next week ... same Bat Time ... same Bat Channel!
DOGE was created to lawlessly fuck stuff up without concern about the consequences. They are still true to that.
I am perfectly OK with them fucking with the government.
Word.
Let's just continue letting Washington do whatever it wants, that about sum it up Mollly?
When did the Dems become the party of the entrenched establishment? Defending tradition is supposed to be a trait of conservatism. Except Dems aren't defending tradition, in reality they are the Reactive Party, the Weathervane Party, the Rudderless Party.
If they didn't have something to react to, what would they have?
FDR and the "New Deal" Revolution of the USA into a [Na]tional So[zi]alist Empire?
Nobody believes this lie no matter how many times you say it. You’re a clown.
[Na]tional So[zi]alist law is lawless (UN-Constitutional).
What lawls have they broken? Be specific. Vague blanket claims form democrat trash mean nothing, as you constantly lie. So you need to back up your bullshit.
Large data models are used for analysis and AI training. The databases being accessed are large data models.
The very center of the analytics has to be where the checks are cut. From there, the sources of the spending can be traced. As well, the efficacy of the spending can be measured. For example, $trillions for education that enriches private universities and produces worsening outcomes in the public schools.
The $8M to politico is an indicator that the analysis is being performed. Granted, cutting $8M is a drop in the bucket, but $8M here, $8M there and pretty soon it adds up to real money.
The fact that tax dollars are flowing to journalists and their projects is corruption of the 4th estate.
It’s 2025, welcome to the modern world of finance!
"Indeed, even the most foundational aspect of what DOGE is doing—using presidential authority to block spending Congress has authorized—is on shaky legal footing."
Understatement of the century.
Congress cannot legally authorize spending the Supreme Law doesn't allow.
The [Na]tional So[zi]al[ist] Empire Democrats have built is a treasonous government.
Article II, Kords. Read it.
They aren’t blocking spending the money permanently, but rather changing how the low level spending decisions are being made. USAID is supposed to be spending money based on our foreign policy, as determined by the President and his State Department. It hasn’t been. It’s been spent at the discretion of USAID bureaucrats to further their own priorities. This is what is being changed, by the two people who have the Constitutional and legal power to do it.
Hard part is that the corruption and weird spending is all over the place there. our tax money is being wizzed away on crazy stuff.
summary...
The [Na]tional So[zi]alist Empire is in Chaos because of DOGE.
So what's the problem again?
The r workers have sued Trump, Rubio, etc, for firing them. I give them less than even odds of winning, in the face of Trump’s Article II, § 1, ¶ 1, Clause 1 Executive power argument. But still a decent chance. BUT what is very unlikely to win is rejecting a requirement that any grant proposal, contract with NGOs and MSM, must be approved by the head of USAID (currently SoS. Marco Rubio). Signature authority is a pure Executive function. Take that away from the USAID bureaucrats, and all they really have left to do is twiddle their thumbs. At that point, they are redundant and fireable.
The big weakness of the USAID bureaucrats’ position is that most of the agency’s expenditures are not US Budget line items. There are just big pots of money that Samantha Power and her (former) minions got to divvy up, however they wanted. Who has the discretion to decide how those pots of money get divvied up? The USAID bureaucrats? Or the President, as the Executive, under Art II, § 1, ¶ 1, clause 1?
That's an excellent point. They are being hoist by their own petard since the modus operandi of the administrative state is to be given a broad warrant by legislation which they then gleefully get to interpret and implement as they see fit.
Looks like the shoe's on the other foot where the adults in charge get to say no, we won't interpret things that way and actually we won't even bother implementing much.
After they finish going through everything, Powers and her minions must be subpoenaed and cross examined. If I were Bondi, I would figure out how many powerful democrats I could take down with this.
Also, she should destroy any RINOs wetting their beaks too. I would n t want to leave them out of the fun.
There’s a portion of lefty twitter saying things like “you guys are all cheering this but you’re going to regret it when republicans get caught up in this!”
The responses are “Great!”
Gee, I used to believe Reason was a Libertarian site that was enthusiastically anti-Big Government and supported the elimination as much of the expensive, needless and useless government agencies as possible.
But after reading this article, I'm starting to think Reason is a subsidiary of The Progressive.
So if Congress designates 10 million to build a bridge and it's completed for 8, the extra 2 million still has to be spent? On what? A round the world cruise for the construction workers?
You make one intelligent observation..."The main problem in assessing the DOGE project at this point is that so much is unknown" and spill a bottle of ink doing exactly that. Is that really the best you can do? Channeling way back to Talking Heads '77..."When I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed". Learn something new.
"But the Department of Government Efficiency might not have the legal and budgetary chops to actually reduce spending."
to which I can only reply, "well, duuuuuuh."
DOGE was never anything but an unserious show pony of an initiative. libertarians cheerleading the supposed goals of the group should have used a little more critical analysis. they could have seen this coming, and perhaps not lent aid and comfort to a group that was never our ally.
Read Article II of the Constitution. Trump has the power to look over what Congress does for efficiency purposes. You cannot be this stupid.
There's nothing "unserious" about DOGE exposing USAID's corruption. Why support giving millions of tax dollars to pushing a sociopolitical agenda at foreign countries? You are not a libertarian.
Well, USAID and most of the agencies were unconstitutional to begin with, so if we actually had HONEST courts since (FDR / Woodrow Wilson / Lincoln) (circle one) it wouldn't exist in the first place.
What we have is a criminal racketeering organization masquerading as a government bureaucracy.
The only appropriate libertarian response is: Damn the torpedoes, burn it ALL to the f**king ground.
"I've come to believe that change doesn't happen painlessly," Pahlka told Reason in an interview last week.
No shit. Meaningful change ALWAYS requires some level of discomfort, whether it’s individual or organizational.
No shit sherlock. They cannot cut anything, but they can point out the crazy and maybe even criminal spending to congress and the President AND the public.
It really doesn't matter if some or all of what DOGE is initiating ends up being halted by the courts - they are SHOWING the financial shit-show, something that hasn't happened ever. And maybe, just maybe, the ridiculous indignant Democrats who are wholeheartedly in support of the shit show will finally convince enough voters to replace them next election cycle.
This much is also clear - congress will do little because so many districts sent the same louses back to congress. Whever DOGE may accomplish may be the only cost cutting we get.
Now can this organization that calls itself Reason, who spent years bemoaning spending and waste in the government, show some fucking excitement that it might finally get cut, or at least is getting exposed, along with the douche bags who oppose the cuts? Or is it too much to ask from those who suffer TDS?
Classic libertarian reaction: someone comes in and starts cutting the deadwood out of the bureaucracy and all Reason can say is "You're doing it wrong." (add vocal fry)
Fine. Get your ass elected and you do it. No one's going to do as perfect as you, at least in your own mind. But you could never be elected in 3 lifetimes. Like most libertarians, you're just there to kvetch and run your litmus tests. And do nothing.
What is wrong with Reason? Are we to let perfect be the enemy of good?
Hell, if all Musk and DOGE achieve is to shine a bright light upon the abject profligacy of the leviathan state then that will be more than most have done.
It's almost as if Reason would rather be at the doors of government with Maxine Waters harassing, demeaning and pillorying security guards.
What has happened to Reason? It's like they are the offspring of an unholy mating of a democrat and deep stater. For the past several years the headlines and articles sound like the DNC has taken over their editorial board.
Reason is becoming indistinguishable from Daily KOS as far as the ability to actually have a coherent thought.
This is why Victoria Villareul is the 2nd most powerful Libertarian in the world and you are a failing journalist.
1) You argue just like Hillary did and does. Always opposing from the sidelines some utopian perfect solution.
2) You make all moral and religious matters irrelevant when most people applaud DOGE because they are suffering from govt waste. You are well off, insulated, you simply don't care because it is all theoretical to you
3) And as I always say because it is so damn obvious : To scorn small advances because they are small is why nations slowly die
"According to Toynbee, civilizations start to decay when they lose their moral fiber and the cultural elite turns parasitic, exploiting the masses and creating an internal and external proletariat. He has been criticized for exaggerating the role of religious and cultural value systems while underestimating the importance of economic factors in shaping civilizations. It appears that with advancing age, Toynbee became even more convinced of the importance of the spiritual dimension."
Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little.
Edmund Burke
Plus you mock Trump and applaud Biden. Are you saying WSJ is lying ? What a horrible shock to see how much Biden lied , just plain lied about JOBS
How Big Was the Jobs Data Revision?
By
WSJ Staff
818,000 fewer positions
That's the potential downward adjustment to payrolls for the 12 months through March, the Labor Department said
The point of DOGE is not to cut government or government spending but rather to redirect public money into private hands.
Looting the country to own and immiserating everyone to own the libs basically
Are you drunk or just dim-witted?
They're looting the treasury as we speak, dumbfuck
What’s hilarious there is that he has this completely reversed. What we had was a $50 billion slush fund being spent to feather almost every nest in DC. Spending decisions weren’t being made to further our national foreign policy (as they were supposed to have been), but to further the personal goals of USAID bureaucrats. And, much of that money stayed in DC, in the hands of the friends and beneficiaries of the Deep State.
Which is why your statement was so wrong headed and maybe disingenuous. One of the big things that this audit by DOGE and executive actions in response to it by Trump and Rubio, is that they are turning off the tap of public money flowing into private hands. And that is why the left (including, apparently, Reason) and their Deep State are now squealing like stuck pigs.
And cutting off that funding is having dire effects on the NGOs and media outlets fighting DOGE and supporting Democrats and their causes, as well as facilitating other actions inimical to Trump’s priorities. Much of the money used by all the NGOs, for example, transporting illegal immigrants to our border, getting them across it, getting many of them classified as refugees, then transporting them into the interior and housing and feeding the, came originally from our federal government, a significant part from USAID.
'Public money'? Where's that come from?
Fuck you, cut spending.
Quitting all of these bullshit projects that no one voted for or wants is a great first step. I don't want to 'own the libs', no matter how much they deserve it, I want my money back, or at least for it to go to things that benefit us and we approve of.
This has been a huge graft and a point of immense corruption for a very long time, and the deep state / liberal freak out about getting the spigot turned off is VERY TELLING.
You are the swamp and you will be drained.
Most of the promising reforms that have been executed and are likely to pass judicial review could have been done without the funding "pause", tariff hokey-pokey, giveaway to retirees who were going to leave anyway, and total control over department communications that were implemented.
The good being done could have been accomplished without the pushback, damage to credibility, and pointless adversarial attitude. As TR said, speak softly, and carry a big stick. This is kind of the opposite.
I expect small results and a wicked pendulum swing in 2026 unless cooler heads prevail.
Sure. Keep wastefully spending the money on projects that are counter to our national interest (and esp our foreign policy, as determined by the President and his State Department) until this can work its way through the system. Which may take years. The problem though is that the corruption discovered was massive. How many more miles of terrorist tunnels under Gaza were we going to fund? How many more viruses would be created in ChiCom labs? How many more LGBTetc coloring books and classes in 3rd world countries would we fund? How many more illegal aliens would be bussed or flown to our borders, helped across those borders, flown to the interior, and taken care of financially?
The Democrats don’t think the government is nearly as big or wasteful as they would like it to be, and many people working within the government feel the same. To the extent they are unionized the unions feel the same. They will fight tooth and nail not just to preserve the government that Trump and Musk would like to cut, but to expand it much further. So, it’ll be a tussle.
Only the Progressive Collectivists here at Reason.com would question if cutting government waste is a good thing. Leftism is cancer .....
Clearly the answer is no, but Boehm is desperate to keep his regime credentials, so we get this dreck.
Justice Scalia, concurring in part and dissenting in part, in
Clinton v. City of New York: “President Nixon, the Mahatma Gandhi of all impounders,
asserted at a press conference in 1973 that his ‘constitutional right’ to impound
appropriated funds was ‘absolutely clear.’… Our decision two years later in Train v. City of
New York, 420 U. S. 35 (1975), proved him wrong…”.
Reason seems to be making the same mistake as Democrats. DOGE is NOT cutting personnel or spending. It IS providing such recommendations to Trump and his administration but it is entirely up to Trump, his administration, and, in some cases, Congress to implement those recommendations.
So, I just saw something REASON missed -- and how could it???
A failied 300 000 milrros climate change project !!!
Worlds largest concentrated solar boondoggle is going out of business after just 11 years
REASON readers , listen to Maria Bartiromo and Stephen Smith and see that REASON has Trump's policies all wrong
https://twitter.com/i/status/1888627173168136475