Trump's Theory of Tariffs Makes No Sense
We can tax our way to prosperity, Trump claims, but we'll just…not do that, I guess?

For weeks, President Donald Trump has been telling Americans that his plan to impose high tariffs on the country's top trading partners would usher in an era of prosperity not seen in well over 100 years.
"The tariffs are going to make us very rich and very strong," Trump said Friday. "They don't cause inflation. They cause success." The president has been using variations on this same argument for months (for years, actually). They are "going to make us rich," he said in December. "In the 1890s, our country was probably the wealthiest it ever was because it was a system of tariffs," he said last year on the campaign trail.
This is bullshit, by the way. The high tariffs that America imposed during the late 19th century did not make America rich and did not make American manufacturing strong. It's also absurd to claim that the country was at its wealthiest in an era when most people did not have access to indoor plumbing, electricity, or modern medical care—and when the average person was, objectively, much poorer.
But leave all that aside for a moment. Let's assume that Trump sincerely holds this belief: that tariffs are a wealth-generating tool, and that their implementation will return the country to its proper place as the wealthiest, most successful, most respected nation on the planet.
If all that's true, then how to explain what Trump did this morning?
"President Donald Trump held off Monday on his tariff threats against Mexico for one month of further negotiations after Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum agreed to send 10,000 members of her country's national guard to the border to address drug trafficking," the Associated Press reported.
Wait, what happened to endless prosperity and success? If tariffs are as great as Trump says they are, he should be implementing them no matter what the leaders of any other silly little countries say or do. We can tax our way to prosperity, Trump claims, but we'll just…not do that, I guess?
That's the problem with Trump's theory about tariffs. Either tariffs are an inherently good and prosperity-generating policy that enriches America, or they are a threat to get other countries to do as Trump says. Both things can't be true.
If the former, then why would Trump forgo all those billions of dollars that could be collected off Mexican imports simply because Mexico agreed to make a few small changes to how it polices the border? We were going to offset the income tax with tariffs, Trump promised. But now? Nah, Mexico's president said she would make a few border guards work overtime, so we'll just forget about that idea.
If the latter, then tariffs are something to be feared—a stick with which to compel the behavior of other, smaller countries—that comes with some pain for Americans, as Trump admitted in a post on Truth Social over the weekend. But if that's what they are, and they can be removed as soon as those other countries comply with Trump's wishes, then it seems like the tariffs were never intended to produce the prosperity that Trump promised.
In short, Trump is either a bad dealmaker or a liar.
That's not a conclusion that's drawn by reviewing the piles of available evidence about the effectiveness or the cost of tariffs. It's not a conclusion based on the opinions of the scores of economists who say Trump's trade war is a foolish, counterproductive move.
It's a conclusion drawn solely from the contradictory arguments that Trump is making as he threatens to start a continent-wide trade war.
Intellectual consistency is obviously not one of Trump's strengths, but his advisors and the media should demand an answer: Does the president sincerely believe that tariffs are a pathway to prosperity, as he has been claiming for months? Or was all that a lie, because tariffs are actually a punitive, destructive tool of foreign policy?
They cannot be both.
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Professing your ignorance isn’t the flex you think it is, EB.
Reason is mad the theory is 3 for 4 so far.
I think he’s 4 for 4 now.
5 for 5 now.
China caved.
This is great news for anti-tariff people, for now at least.
What kind of intellectual consistency is demonstrated when a nation reneges on its signatory obligations to the UN genocide convention to support a holocaust in Gaza?
Bitch, you lost. And you will keep on losing. Additionally, you should probably be detained as a terrorist sympathizer. It wouldn’t be surprising to find out that you have links to radical terror organizations.
Best you just turn yourself in and confess.
There's no holocaust in Gaza except that of Hamas making by hiding amongst non-combatants.
Et tu, Trudeau?
Tariffs are a solid economic tool when imposed on products we can replace. Protecting American industry and American WAGES! Not when applied to something like Avocados. He ain't protecting the American Avocodo industry...because there isn't one.
1st world countries should not have free trade with 3rd world countries. All it does is drag down first world wages. Only countries with similar standards of living, i.e., wages, should have free trade with each other.
I have a nationalist American friend who's been saying that for years. And it's stupid. It's like saying you should hire only Ph.D. botanists to do your gardening. Or at least to tax yourself for the difference.
Trump's tariffs are bullshit. His excuse is that slapping 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico will encourage them to crack down on fentanyl smuggling into the US.
1. That implies he expects Canadian and Mexican cops to do what American cops are apparently too incompetent or corrupt to do. How about cleaning your own house first, Mr. Trump? Here's a fine example, unless this only applies to fentanyl, not other illegal drugs.
https://notthebee.com/article/canadian-police-seize-83-million-worth-of-cartel-cocaine-that-came-over-the-us-southern-border
2. Trump and his fanbois claim tariffs are not taxes, they don't hurt Americans, they don't hurt very much, and they raise revenue to reduce the national debt. If all those contradictory claims can somehow all be true at once, why advertise tariffs as only necessary as another arrow in Trump's gamesmanship quiver, a bargaining chip? If they're so harmless and in fact beneficial, they should stand on their own without needing to be tied to fentanyl smuggling, and should actually be implemented permanently and not as a bargaining chip in Trump's gamesmanship.
3. Trump loudly complains about the trade deficit at the same time he loudly brags about all the foreign investment in the US he's rounding up; $600 billion from Saudi Arabia alone. The trade deficit IS foreign investment in the US; that Saudi investment, if not just more fiction, will add $600 billion to the trade deficit. Trump is an economic ignoramus.
4. Tariffs affect everybody, not just a few criminals. They are a collective punishment, in the same class as racists, eugenicists, Marxists, and every other statist Trumpistas claim to despise. If Trump actually wanted to punish fentanyl producers and distributors, he could sanction them, personally. That he does not is another indication that fentanyl is just a cover story.
5. Unilateral free trade is a benefit to the importing country. Trumpistas like to point out a few edge cases which rarely happen to proclaim unilateral free trade is white flag disarmament. If that's the case, if 1% bad overrules the 99% good, then CRT is correct: the 1% racists in this country make the whole country racist and beyond redemption.
6. Trump fanbois would have a lot more credibility if they'd admit Trump is economically illiterate and that his tariffs hurt Americans. His gamesmanship may well result in changes in how Mexico and Canada treat fentanyl and immigration. But any such changes are more likely to be smoke and mirrors and not change anything. Any changes will come from the US catching more smugglers and illegal immigrants, not from bullying other countries by increasing taxes on Americans.
Using the term "fanbois" pretty much makes the rest of your argument nil. Surprised you didn't type tRump as well.
Is that spelling with an "i" supposed to imply gayness or something?
wrong spot
Jeffsarc voted for fanbois
Is that spelling with an "i" supposed to imply gayness or something?
It implies a French pronunciation - "fanbwah". "ois" pronounced "wah".
If you're that easily distracted, I don't want your worthless opinion anyhow. Buh bye.
Your opinion has been rejected the majority of times so far. Maybe you prefer war instead?
Arguments based on economics have been rejected by Trump worshipers?
Who in the world could have seen that coming?
Drunken fool says what?
You're good at collecting links. Show me. You haven't even rebutted a single point, let alone refuted any, and I numbered them just for you.
Trump's an economic ignoramus, and anyone who parrots his nonsense is just another fanboi. If you want credibility, start thinking for yourself.
Lol. You've gone full sarc now.
Your points are all sophomoric bullshit pushed by people who have no interest in theory or reality.
Why does reality align with what I've stated while imagination aligns with yours?
Keep living in your theoretical world based on bullshit.
He is now 5 for 5 for exactly the reasons I outlined this morning dumdum. All your fear mongering is baseless. Read a fucking book instead of bumper stickers.
"5 for 5" ha ha.
Before his gamesmanship results, you were full of defending tariffs as good, then harmless, then just a necessary hurt. Everything was all about trade, tariffs, trade deficits, foreign investments, yada yada yada.
Suddenly his gamesmanship got results, and now the party line is that this has nothing to do with trade, that's a strawman.
And the most basic ignorance, that he can lower trade deficits by increasing foreign investment when they are the exact same thing, you dismiss as sophomoric. Wowsers.
And you, the king of links and quotes, never rebutted a single one of my 6 points, can't provide a single link or quote, and make a ghost claim that you can.
Your credibility is trash.
Every claim you made is wrong.
I tried being nice earlier and explaining why, but you refuse to admit your infantile sophomoric views are wrong.
Deal with it. Lol.
See my post addressing keyenesian economics. You're as retarded as they are.
The thing about reality is it doesn't give a shit about your simplified models.
You. Were. Wrong.
Stop embarrassing yourself and admit it.
Bur please tell me again how game theory doesn't apply to economics lol.
See my post addressing keyenesian economics. You're as retarded as they are.
You mean the post where you said unilateral free trade was Keynesian? Here's a quote from the famous Keynesian, Milton Friedman. You might've heard of him:
"Given that we should move to free-trade, how should we do so? The method that we have tried to adopt is reciprocal negotiation of tariff reductions with other countries. This seems to me a wrong procedure. In the first place, it ensures a slow pace. He moves fastest who moves alone. In the second place, it fosters an erroneous view of the basic problem. It makes it appear as if tariffs help the country imposing them but hurt other countries, as if when we reduce a tariff we give up something good and should get something in return in the form of a reduction in the tariffs imposed by other countries. In truth, the situation is quite different. Our tariffs hurt us as well as other countries. We would be benefited by dispensing with our tariffs even if other countries did not. We would of course be benefited even more if they reduce theirs but our benefiting does not require that they reduce tariffs. Self-interests coincide and do not conflict."
Source: Capitalism and Freedom, 1962.
Personally, I'm happy that his 25% tarrifs have not, and likely will not ever be implemented. Even he knows they would be a complete disaster. I truly hope he gets what he wants from Mexico and Canada and that they help with the immigration and drug crisis and things can return to normal. The fact that he is using my money to swing his dick around makes me nervous. At some point, some country will get tired of being pushed around we'll find out if Trump is a paper tiger or not. When that happens, we, the plebs, will pay the price for his gamesmanship.
Thanks Alberto Balsalm for a sensible post! All too rare around these that them thar Trump-worshitting parts...
Please give up on persuading JesseBahnFarter-Fuhrer of ANYTHING, since it is already PervFected in Every Way, in Shit's Own Mind! But yer efforts may help other readers see the light, so... Kudos!
PS, your conclusion is what I, too, fear... And it bears repeating... What happens when one stubborn madman meets another?
At some point, some country will get tired of being pushed around we'll find out if Trump is a paper tiger or not. When that happens, we, the plebs, will pay the price for his gamesmanship.
Welcome
Hey sarc!
You were retarded and wrong too. Lol.
Hi Asshole! Go read a book about Keynesian free trade you stupid fuck
Is Sarc samefagging again?
Using the term "tRump" pretty much makes the rest of your argument nil. Because I said so!
Other than misspelling cultists, that's a very good post.
It doesn't actually agree with you on too much, trollboy. Admit it, you just liked it because you thought he was insulting us.
I have made points 1, 2, 3, 5 and 6 many times. Point 4 was good too. Never really thought of it that way.
Your opinion is even more worthless than tracerv's.
My endorsement will tank your reputation, so I'm gonna give it to you in spades.
Me too. It's amazing Stupid Gov't Tricks sees things clearly yet still wants to be part of the mean girl asshole jesse sock club. Weird.
Everyone knows this is you sarc lol.
Not sarc, but everyone knows you're an asshole!
It really is pathetic how his pickled little brain works, isn’t it?
Looks like Jesse has declared war on you. This will be entertaining.
I wonder what that's like.
It's like having an argument with a five year old.
Get the hell out of here Sarc.
That implies he expects Canadian and Mexican cops to do what American cops are apparently too incompetent or corrupt to do. How about cleaning your own house first, Mr. Trump?
Well I'm under the impression that Mexican cops are indeed incredibly incompetent and corrupt, but I can better speak to the Canadian side of things.
The lawlessness you Americans are seeing spilling over the border from Canada was deliberately engineered and unleashed on a completely unprepared Canadian public, by Mr. Trudeau and his excretable junta about 5 and a half years ago. Leading to a totally unexpected state of chaos Canadians today find themselves in, and it's spilling across the border.
Provinces and municipalities handles police services across the country. Either by hiring the RCMP or operating their own, and they are largely out of federal hands.
The judiciary on the other hand is in Justin's paws, so he passed a couple of laws that eliminated the bail requirement even in many violent cases, and required the minimal sentence possible in every case.
Predictably this led to open season on Canadians.
So the police are arresting, the prosecutors prosecuting, and the judges have to release the criminals back in the without even a smack on the wrist.
This is all spilling over the border and is what Trump is trying to stop.
Again: If American border cops can't stop it, but he thinks Canadian border cops can, what does that say about their relative competency and corruptness?
Trump doesn't think that. He's set an impossible bar for them to meet so he doesn't have to lower the tariffs.
Wrong again LMAO, and will never admit it.
In all fairness, the booze might make him blackout.
Why can’t it just kill him?
He's not expecting Canadian border cops *to stop it* - that is YOUR strawman.
He is expecting them to actually do their jobs. That would cut the problem down enough that our cops might be able to finish it.
He had the same strawman this morning too.
Which you never rebutted or refuted.
You know people can click the roundup links right sarc?
You provided zero substantantiation of your bullshit while i provided examples. Oh. And 8 hours later my views proved right. Yours still wrong. Yet again. Like every fucking time your theories are tested.
How does it feel to have your views destroyed in less than a day? Lol.
But which I just did.
Oh gosh. I didn't realize you couldn't understand ordinary English.
"Cops" is shorthand for the entire judicial system.
And "expecting them to do their jobs" is your euphemism for "do what Trump wants" even though Trump is President of a different country. Isn't that part of the rationale for banning TikTok, that the Chinese are interfering in the US? Isn't that part of the blustering over Panama, that the Chinese are interfering with our national security? Isn't that the rationale for tightening the border, to keep foreign criminals from interfering in the US?
Well guess what, bubba, works both ways. Trump doesn't get to tell Canadians cops and judges and prosecutors and politicians what to do in their country. If Trump wants to stop fentanyl from crossing into the US, that's his responsibility, not the Canadians'.
Full sarc. Lol.
Again, why put all costs on america foe failures of other states. You think you sound libertarian here, but you're advocating assumed costs for one country.
Right, so let's let China blame the US for constantly reminding them of Tianamen Square and Winnie the Pooh. No more American whining when Apple or Google censors stuff because China said to.
Your hypocrisy stinks.
Their country, their rules. If Trump doesn't like it, he's in charge of US border cops, he can tell them to shape up or ship out. What he can't do is tell Canadian cops what to do. He ain't their boss.
Your whole world view was destroyed in 12 hours lol.
Nice strawman arguments regarding censorship BTW sarc.
Take the fucking L instead of embarrassing yourself. Read some books while you're at it.
Take the fucking L instead of embarrassing yourself.
I try to stay out of personal fights but this hypocrisy is hilarious. I've seen you proved wrong several times. You never admit error. You go full toddler. You call people names and try to lie your way out (but fail). Should I post the links again?
I see where YOU might think that. Given how wrong you often are. Your comment is based on more on jealousy than anything else.
3. Trump loudly complains about the trade deficit at the same time he loudly brags about all the foreign investment in the US he's rounding up; $600 billion from Saudi Arabia alone. The trade deficit IS foreign investment in the US; that Saudi investment, if not just more fiction, will add $600 billion to the trade deficit. Trump is an economic ignoramus.
Totally agree. I was saying yesterday that basically he’s an old fashioned mercantilist, who thinks you have to win trade wars by making your exports exceed your imports. That’s not how trade works. I don’t perceive any real value in declaring trade wars on our closest neighbors and imposing costs in American consumers.
If he was pairing this with a legislative tax cut as a gradual means of switching out income tax to a consumption tax, perhaps there would be something there. But he wants to impose tariffs on top of the existing taxes.
Because this isn't about economics. This is 'war by other means'. We've been in a culture war for decades, Trump is actually fighting it.
Because this isn't about economics. This is 'war by other means'.
This is profoundly stupid, then.
Why?
China considers itself in an extended struggle for dominance. They are using 'war by other means' across the world. We should just pretend these struggles exist only through violence as the framework?
You can dismiss economics all you want, but you can't dismiss the reality that economics teaches. This is about plain and simple arithmetic. Trade deficits ARE foreign investment. They are in lock step. Trump can't raise one and lower the other.
War doesn't change basic arithmetic. You are an imbecile.
The reality you've been shown to be wrong about? Remember that whole idealism thing i discussed earlier? Lol.
I'm not dismissing economics.
I have made it clear, multiple times, that tariffs are stupid economics. They are, however, excellent tools of foreign policy.
Its you that refuses to view this in anything other than an short-term economic lens.
Just admit you’re wrong and beg everyone’s forgiveness for making such a spectacle of yourself. Feel free to bend a knee. Like Canada and a Mexico just did for Trump.
This is one of Trump's many flaws, and it seems we have to take the good with the bad. Hopefully his tariff hrumphing is a negotiation ploy rather than a true belief that tariff's will stimulate domestic production absent any game changing regulatory reform.
I suspect he's lying when he says he really believes that, and it's just another way to capitalize on his personality to browbeat trade partners with.
This isn't about negotiations at the moment. It is about making other countries responsible for the costs absorbed by the US. A literal libertarian belief.
It's about trade deficit and foreign investment being the exact same thing, you your failure to acknowledge that both rise and fall together.
Your strawman doesn't change basic reality. You refuse to rebut it because you can't.
It isn't. You can keep lying despite every statement given, but you're just lying.
How are you not embarrassed by today? God damn man.
You've been proven 100% wrong. Read a fucking book. Listen to actual statements. Educate yourself. You're embarrassing yourself.
I agree. I didn't vote libertarian this time because Chase was a profoundly bad candidate, but also because I'm happy for Trump to go to war with the institutions. What I don't like is carrying that war over onto American taxpayers, and trying to intentionally piss of our closest neighbors.
We should be lowering trade barriers with our most significant trading partners, not raising them. And you can do this independent of any stance on border security-restricting traffic to legal border crossing areas and vetting people as they enter, and actually enforcing our current laws by deporting the people who overstay is going to make a significant impact on the migrant issue. You don't have to somehow tie tariffs into the picture as if that's a cohesive strategy.
These tariffs aren't about trade.
Why do you guys keep making this same mistake?
How many interviews do you want me to link to?
Tariffs and trade deficits and foreign investments are about trade. How is that a mistake?
Keep digging that hole.
They literally suspended tariffs after behavior changes on both borders today you dumb retarded fuck. Lol.
And the Iraq war wasn't about oil, either. I believe George W. really did just want to get Saddam out of power and probably thought there was some legitimate world-police type interest.
That doesn't make it right. It was still a war. Regardless of Trump's motives, he IS making it about trade by using tariffs.
Whats wrong is assuming costs from other countries without a response. But you do you.
China just announced they’re preparing trade talks. Lol
Looks like Trudeau just cut a deal as well. Trump got what he wanted. Poor Eric. No trade war after all.
And another Trump victory, I suspect it’s like a funeral over at Reason today.
>1. That implies he expects Canadian and Mexican cops to do what American cops are apparently too incompetent or corrupt to do. How about cleaning your own house first, Mr. Trump? Here's a fine example, unless this only applies to fentanyl, not other illegal drugs.
No, it doesn't.
It will do what it has already do - bring them to the negotiating table. Like it already has with Mexico.
Right now neither country does anything under the assumption that the negative effects will all be in the US so they're not their problem. Well, Trump has just made it their problem. And now Mexico is ready to talk about what 'we' can do to deal with these problems.
Canada, of course, just sends Chrystia Freeland to whine 'knock it off guys' because the Trudeau government is not run by serious people.
6. we've already done that. I am fully behind the idea that tariffs are stupid economics - but they can be great *foreign policy*. As they're turning out to be so far.
The point of the article is that Trump is selling tariffs as a foreign policy tool and a path to prosperity at the same time. The former implies they will be dropped when foreigners acquiesce to his demands while the latter implies they are a permanent fixture to protect domestic industry.
Can't be both.
Which leaves a middle ground for negotiation?
That would seem more like what the actual plan might be. The problem is the country and all of the governments outside of the US are currently operating from the status quo lense of the past. They saw our country go full banana republic to put Coma Joe in place. Then, they watched as the voters went scorched earth on the status quo. No one knows where this will lead right now, but from the posturing and pearl clutching coming from the status quo mongers, Yes, we're looking at you Pelosi, Warren, Sanders and you up and coming 'Hypocrites', the so called SWAMP is scrambling to protect what has always been.
The straw has hit the camel's back. The voters have someone who doesn't care what these idiots who have been running things for so long say any longer and they agree with the message, in spite of the scorched earth messaging. They like what Elon did with Twitter. We want to see Trump roll into the White House with a kitchen sink. When DOGE starts doing the same thing to government agencies, and they cry and gnash accordingly, I say all is well for today.
My God, they are claiming the Dept. of accountability is an agency already in place so DOGE is unnecessary. Yet, the accountability is non-existent. Seethe, cry, rage, do what you need to. Change is on the Horizon.
You're right - it can't be both.
As we've all admitted here. Multiple times. As I said directly in the post you are responding too.
Yup.
Mexico, Colombia, and Panama have rejected your newsletter.
Gamesmanship is one thing, and Trump is better at it than Biden or Obama. Your economic illiteracy is still economic illiteracy.
It's amazing how you slip back and forth between "tariffs good" to "tariffs harmless" to "not about trade" so easily.
Consistency is not your strong suite.
You've literally been proven wrong all day, yet you persist. Good work sarc.
Spiraling world view turned you into sarc. Sad.
5 for 5 on tariffs so far.
LOL this post didn't age well. Turn on the news.
It is pathetic. The usual economic ignorant posters are still claiming they were right. It is just pathetic at this point.
They’re delusional. I got into it on disquisition with some Canadian Trudeau supporter (they do exist!) that insisted that Trudeau ‘owned’ Trump on the tariff showdown.
Trump and his fanbois claim tariffs are not taxes, they don't hurt Americans, they don't hurt very much, and they raise revenue to reduce the national debt. If all those contradictory claims can somehow all be true at once, why advertise tariffs as only necessary as another arrow in Trump's gamesmanship quiver, a bargaining chip?
This is what's got me confused. Some of us have spent the past few months or more arguing that tariffs are harmful. Today Trump backs down. This is a (temporary?) victory for the anti-tariff advocates, but the pro-tariff advocates are treating like a victory.
If Trump was bluffing the whole time, good for him. I was one of the fooled. I thought (and still think) he just loves tariffs because he never opened an econ book. We won...uhh...basically nothing, but at least we didn't lose.
1. Because you keep insisting on viewing tariffs through an economics lens - they're being deployed as a tool for foreign policy.
2. You do this because its all you have - as tools of foreign policy they've been extremely effective. So you default to 'tariffs make things more expensive and Trump said they wouldn't.'
So, no, this hasn't been a win for the 'anti-tariff side'. Its been a string of losses.
They weren't deployed.
Threatened seemed to work.
Yes. Not for anything we were told a month ago, but we got more drug war so....
Except they were. If I give the order for the Army to deploy, the Army deploys, even if the order to stand down comes before they step off.
I think the tariff story harkens back to "take him seriously, but not literally."
He's using tariffs as a hammer. And he's saying whatever he needs to say to make it clear he's not just willing, but eager to levy tariffs.
Jesus Christ Eric. Check your news feed.
Boehm previously used the word strategically because it looked cool in a sentence, not because he understood its meaning.
He strategically voted for Biden. He is terrible at strategy.
Boehm has really shown himself to be a democrat buffoon.
WELL IF IT MAKES NO SENSE TO MR. REGRETFULLY & RELUCTANTLY...
Tariffs are indeed the path to prosperity.
For protected industries that is.
And it comes at the expense of everyone else.
Economists call it concentrated benefits and diffused costs.
https://fee.org/articles/concentrated-benefits-and-diffused-costs-explain-the-persistence-of-tariffs/
This article is from 2018 and is about aluminum tariffs specifically, but it illustrates the point. Which is that businesses like tariffs. They protect businesses from competition and allows them to raise prices.
So when Trump says tariffs are the path to prosperity, he's saying that as a businessman. And he probably believes it.
Domestic Manufacturing Taxes 80%
Imported Manufactured Taxes 0%
Yeah. There's some "protected industries" alright.
They're all foreign-protected industries.
Is it true that half of the people you meet are of below average intelligence?
I guarantee that 95% of the people you meet are far smarter than you, Sarckles.
Been hittin the maple whine again I see.
Always accuse others of what you do. Don’t ever change, drunky.
Sorry, I don't live in Maine, and the nearest sugar maple is 2000 miles away. So you get to keep it all for yourself.
Cunt, you’re the biggest crybaby here.
Stop being nice to sarc.
I was assuming Sarc lives in a very stupid place indeed.
We’re all far too nice to Sarc. Time to take the gloves off.
You mean median intelligence. The average isn't necessarily the mid-point.
>Trump's Theory of Tariffs Makes No Sense
We can tax our way to prosperity, Trump claims, but we'll just…not do that, I guess?
You are absolutely correct that Trump's *stated* 'theory of tariffs' makes no sense.
But the way he's actually deploying them makes total sense - *if* you accept that the real purpose of tariffs is as a lever to implement foreign policy.
Give that man a kewpie doll!
Yes, and his gamesmanship may indeed have results, some of which may even be more than just temporary bureaucratic fig leafs, like moving 10,000 troops to the border area.
Why can't any Trumpistas admit tariffs are bad, that they hurt Americans, that they are taxes, and that Trump is an economic ignoramus who doesn't understand free trade, and especially: why does he think that trade deficits are as bad as foreign investments are good, when they are the exact same thing?
Trumpistas would have a lot more credibility if they would stop swallowing Trump's nonsense verbatim.
Maybe Trump doesn't think they hurt Americans - which is making him more likely to use them.
He can be right for the wrong reasons, you know.
Why can't you admit they change behaviors inducing cost on americans? You refuse to. Why? Because it ruins your bumper sticker beliefs?
"We can tax"
OHHHHHHHHHH So now they're just taxes instead of Tariffs?
Funny he didn't claim those Tax-Cuts on his 1st Term would destroy all US wealth.
Dude, tariffs are taxes!
They are taxes paid by Americans who buy goods that cross the border.
They are not a fee paid by the seller as Trump implies. Let me repeat that. They are not a fee paid by China, Mexico or Canada. They are not collected externally. They are an internal, domestic tax.
They are a tax paid by the importer, as in an American business, that is on this side of the border. It is then passed onto the customer like any other tax on a business.
So the Tax-Cuts and Jobs Act were just cuts in Tariffs? /s
The only confusion-play going on is by you and Boehm confusing yourselves.
Everyone else knows exactly what the difference is between general taxes and a tariff is.
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+tariff
A tariff is a tax on the import or export of goods between countries.
Seems the Internet is confused too. You should correct it.
Exactly what everyone already knows.
So "We can Tariff" is the more accurate term to use as to what Trump is doing.
Not "We can Tax" as in the Tax-Cuts and Jobs Act.
Only you and Boehm like to flip the naming back and forth to fit your BS narratives.
Sarc, just stop, you’re embarrassing yourself. Trump, and America, won. You and your democrats lost. I know you’re angry that good things are happening, but we don't care about you. And there is no reason for you to come here and disrupt our discussions. An inveterate democrat like you belongs somewhere like WaPo, NYT, or maybe Jacobin.
So piss off.
Dude, tariffs are taxes!
So is inflation and spending. Shall we tax the rich now? Or maybe, in some crazy manner, this IS taxing the rich!!!. If only 'the rich' could be defined....
Tariffs as foreign policy fixes is literally Trump's current stated strategy.
"Trump's Theory of Tariffs Makes No Sense."
You may want to ask Mexico and Columbia if Trump's theory of tariffs makes sense or not.
1. Those are the results of his gamesmanship, with tariffs just the tool.
2. Both are odds-on favorites to be nothing substantial.
3. And if tariffs are so gosh-darned good, why does he have to implement them only as a temporary threat? Why doesn't he implement them permanently? Why only 25%, why not 100%, or 10,000%? Just like the idiots wanting to raise the minimum wage, why not double or ten times as high? Because they are wrong, bad, evil, and counterproductive.
What makes you think they're temporary? He's been waxing about the beauty of tariffs since the 80s, and this "era of prosperity" he refers to didn't use tariffs as a cudgel. They were purely protectionist. From that I deduce that he's going to keep moving the goalposts when it comes to dropping the tariffs, or just say "fuck you" like he did with the free trade agreement he helped to negotiate.
So sorry this is happening to you. Thoughts and prayers, Spasmatic.
You can call them 'wrong', 'bad', even 'evil' - but you can't call them 'counterproductive' when they're obviously getting results.
Lol. You lie about your own beliefs in this post. Cope harder the strategy is working.
Stop applauding assumed costs to Americans from foreign powers. You are literally becoming sarc with this topic. Admit you were wrong.
It's going to be a very long presidency, Eric. Pace yourself.
Still not tired of winning.
Uh. Let me think here. /s
If Mexico is protecting the border doesn't that mean less USA expense protecting the border???
This article is what TDS does to your brain.
So full of Trump prejudice hatred you can't think straight anymore.
These kinds of "you pay for border patrol" or "we'll pay with taxes on your goods" should be pretty straight forward and are the very reason a "Union of States" government even exists (i.e. For International affairs).
They cannot be both.
That's what I keep saying.
Thank goodness you can tell everyone what must be.
Otherwise. You might have to admit Trump just made Mexico pay for a 'virtual' wall.
You really think a developing country like Mexico can do a better job on the border than the richest, most powerful nation that has ever existed in history of mankind?
Yet Tariff'ing for border control on our side you're against as well.
Are you selling confusion for the sake of confusion itself?
What kind of dressing do you put on your word salad?
That’s his MO.
Canada just caved.
Looks like tariffs as tools of foreign policy are working just fine.
https://x.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1886529228193022429
Let's see what happens. Is Trump going to put the tariffs up anyway in order to bring on a new golden age, or will he be true to his word?
holy shit you just got clowned again and still won't admit it. Were you always this dumb?
Yes. But the booze does have a knock on effect.
I was wrong above. 5 for 5 now.
Yet the same morons are yelling principles and justifications for the costs pushed to america from foreign entities. It is amazing.
They just want america to get fucked.
Poor Eric.
STG is having a worse time lol.
When we were promised so much winning I didn't think it would be this much winning.
It is just sad watching all the shiboleths of the new and ignorant LPlite crash in 2 weeks.
LMAO this is the most beautiful timing. Columbia, Panama, Mexico, Canada and now China are caving.
I'm so sorry this is happening to you lol
All buttfucked one by one.
Mr Garrison!
An old farmer explained how you reason with a mule. He said first you get a 2 by 4 and wack him up beside the head to get his attention. Tariffs are Trump's 2 by 4 to get fast action from foreign bureaucrats who prefer inaction. We cannot stop aliens and smuggling at the Mexican border without some Mexican help. The Canadian border has no protection and anything Canada lets in can come into the US by simply walking across away from a border station. We need Canada to control their entry point ports and airports. Notice how the "big beautiful make us rich" new tariffs evaporate as soon as the foreign government sees the light.
No no no. Free trade means continuing to get ass fucked and never punching back. See sarc, stg, and boehm.
We must bite down and bear all external costs without a fight.
Tariffs are a solid economic tool when imposed on products we can replace. Protecting American industry and American WAGES! Not when applied to something like Avocados. He ain't protecting the American Avocodo industry...because there isn't one.
1st world countries should not have free trade with 3rd world countries. All it does is drag down first world wages. Only countries with similar standards of living, i.e., wages, should have free trade with each other.
Say what you want but what we have been doing for decades is just putting us more and more in debt and the continuation of the loss of jobs to foreign countries. Blue collar workers used to be able to make a decent living without much education or training, now they are the ones behind the registers making shit for money. The bottom 50 percent of workers will have a hard time buying a house or a vehicle. Change is needed but I have no idea if what Trump is doing will work but at least he takes a tough stand against other countries instead of just rolling over. I wish him good luck. A couple of good things so far is they are finding a lot of waste of taxpayer money and working hard to rid the country of criminal aliens.
Tariffs are a breathmint!
No, tariffs are a candy mint!
No, they're two, two, two mints in one!
Trump renegotiated the MUC free-trade zone. Imposing tariffs as a revenue raiser makes no sense. OTOH, ef China. Our industries can't compete with their govt subsidized factories Lets raise revenue.
"Trump's Theory of Tariffs Makes No Sense"
On the other hand, it works.
Programming axiom number 384:
If it's stupid, but it works, it ain't stupid.
The author of this article knows NOTHING about negotiations, tariffs, or human behavior.
I can discern right away that tariffs would make exporters try to figure out a way to bring their prices down so they can be more competitive. Tariffs may be sufficient to get the exporter's government to take notice.
How could that not be a step in a win direction, presumably if their government wants a better GNP?
OM Fucking G. I mean, its not like anyone has discussed the possibility that Tariffs are a threat for negotiations ... oh wait, some have. And, if that is your purpose on threatening tariffs, the last thing you'll do is come out and say it, right? All of you SOB's at reason need to take your fucking heads out of Trump's ass and let the man do something FUCKING different than has been done and done poorly for the last couple of decades.
AND, I noticed in Today's Reason stories, no mention of the the discovery of tons of money, acts desired by the government but are illegal for the government and the sluice funds that are USAID and its shutdown - but god forbid an organization that correctly bemoans wasteful and corrupt spending actually praise the end of some of that spending. Could that be because Trump did that?
That's the problem with Trump's theory about tariffs. Either tariffs are an inherently good and prosperity-generating policy that enriches America, or they are a threat to get other countries to do as Trump says.
lolololololol
Put on the nose, Eric.
Tariffs are a solid economic tool when imposed on products we can replace. Protecting American industry and American WAGES! Not when applied to something like Avocados. He ain't protecting the American Avocodo industry...because there isn't one.
1st world countries should not have free trade with 3rd world countries. All it does is drag down first world wages. Only countries with similar standards of living, i.e., wages, should have free trade with each other.
Trump's theory on tariffs doesn't have to make sense; it just has to help achieve a goal. Has nobody at Reason read "The Art of the Deal"? 90% of negotiation is getting the other side to believe your bullshit.
Yes tariffs increase the cost of goods. Though Trump is using them as a negotiating tool that has appeared to work.
Next question: Who pays corporate income taxes?
Correction ... "Yes tariffs increase the cost of *FOREIGN* goods."
They do not increase the cost of Domestic Goods.
Hi I’m a libertarian and I support pointless massive price controls because I’m in a cult of the dumbest motherfucker the planet has ever produced.
Harris and Democrats lobby for Gov - 'Gun'em down price controls.
Democrats Self-Project ... "It's a Tariff ... It's a Tax ... It's a Price Control."
Democrats
...the dumbest motherfuckers the planet has ever produced.
Or more likely the biggest scammers, crooks and evil the planet has ever produced.