Trump Must Choose: Tariffs or Lower Prices
Domestic deregulation will decrease the cost of living. Trade barriers will do the opposite.

President Donald Trump issued a slew of executive orders on Inauguration Day aimed at lowering prices for American consumers, including one directing federal agencies to "deliver emergency price relief" to lower the cost of housing and home appliances and another to "freeze" regulations that increase the cost of doing business.
But Trump's plan to lower prices will be impeded by his support of broad-based tariffs on consumer goods and manufacturing inputs.
The price relief order begins by acknowledging that inflation has increased the cost of living for Americans and the role played by government spending "artificially and unsustainably stimulating demand" under Joe Biden's administration. It also credits Biden-era regulations with imposing "almost $50,000 in costs on the average American household." It grants federal agencies carte blanche to achieve the vague goal of "restor[ing] purchasing power to the American family," so long as they do so in a way that's "consistent with applicable law." (What could possibly go wrong?)
Still, Trump is correct that responsible monetary and fiscal policy is essential to reducing the cost of living. (Though he didn't follow that judgment during his first term as president: He raised the national debt by $8.4 trillion and pressured the Federal Reserve to reduce interest rates to zero.) He is also correct that preventing the passage of regulations that further increase the cost of building homes and doing business and eliminating those rules that have already done so would help the economy grow.
But the president's protectionism will frustrate both of these strategies and increase the cost of living.
After signing his orders, Trump told reporters Monday night that he's thinking of imposing tariffs of up to 25 percent on Mexican and Canadian goods. The Peterson Institute for International Economics recently published a study finding that such tariffs "would slow growth and accelerate inflation in all three countries."
Though the details of Trump's tariffs remain uncertain, he promised in his inauguration speech to establish an "External Revenue Service [ERS] to collect all tariffs, duties, and revenues,…massive amounts of money" from foreign sources. The Secretary of the Treasury was directed to establish the ERS on Monday night by the America First Trade Policy order. Howard Lutnick, Trump's pick to run the Commerce Department, said that "the External Revenue Service will put up tariffs, or walls that protect you." They will do just the opposite.
As Reason's Eric Boehm explains, "The tariffs Trump levied during his first tenure were paid nearly entirely by American consumers and businesses." Trump has to choose: Complement his deregulatory agenda with free trade policies that decrease the price of consumer goods, manufacturing, and production, or hinder them with protectionism that benefits select industries at the expense of the American people. Let's hope the president chooses the former.
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Why the binary choice?
Why not tariffs and lower prices? Is there some inexorable, unchanging law that says prices must rise in response to a tariff, no matter what offsetting actions you take?
This either/or mentality needs to change to both/and.
Funny how Trump defenders understand that taxes on corporations and businesses get passed to consumers in the form of higher prices, but when anyone applies the same logic to import taxes they squeal like leftists and claim that taxes won't raise prices because that's not the intent.
sarcasmic, we didn't see wholesale inflation rise in 2018-19 from the imposition of tariffs. It is a false choice. It is not a static, inexorable result.
As has been explained to you hundreds of times, Trump's first tariffs were targeted to specific industries, and the prices of those things did indeed go up. The tariffs he is proposing now are not targeted, but rather are on everything. That will cause a general increase in prices. I expect that this will not register in your brain, and you'll be saying the same stupid thing tomorrow, and the day after that, and the day after that, because you cannot understand the difference between tariffs on specific goods and tariffs on all imports. For some reason your brain just can't do it. I don't know why. Guess you're just stupid.
Recall that AFTER the masked communist income tax added to the tariff in 1894 was repealed to lift the economy out of those Dark Ages of communism, McKinley promised gold standard protectionism. Coarse imports at 10% had to also pay shipping, which Taussig calculated at another 10%. Now to those 20% of price hike and inspection for specifications, add the correction between true-ringing gold coins and the inflated scrip ginned up by looter satrapies out of prayer, paper and ink and foisted within their borders by forceful fiat decrees coercing the spineless. These three verifiable facts made it difficult to gull American shoppers the way Amazon now conceals fraud and dodging of specifications by some sellers. The income tax rider and prohibition laws, not the tariff, were what wrecked the economy after looter spoiler votes snatched away 9% of the entrenched Kleptocracy's total.
Sarc only knows what he reads from leftist economists.
Supply shifts and other factors that counters tariffs aren't understood by him.
Smith, Hayek, Bastiat, Hazlitt, Friedman, Sowell... All leftists according to Jesse.
Drunkie sarcjeff Googled names of economists. Lulz.
Smith, the Monarchist defender of Mercantilist trade barriers adn Acts of Navigation, was ahead of his peers the way his peers towered above guillotining French mobs. the rest of the list are failures--unable to fathom how laws making a crime of vast realms of production and trade could possibly have wrecked the Economies of Europe in 1923, again in 1927-28, and yet again in 1930-33 as prisons bulged and funding of deadly thugs worldwide grew exponentially. Only Ayn Rand, who watched it happen, came close to explaining the Crash and Depression, and urged the repeal of deadly sumptuary legislation that manufactured crimes out of ignorance and predatory cupidity. Remember how Waffen Bush acted surprised when the economy collapsed?
XY, all his little, alcohol pickled brain hears are ‘Trump’ and ‘tariffs’. This triggers his inane ravings.
In this case I'm a Trump defender in pointing out that the cost of Trumpian policy in tariffs is likely to be small compared to the gain in deregulation. Plus, tariffs go toward deficit reduction, while regulations just go toward...reduction 🙁 .
Funny, I don't remember libertarians being such strong critics of Jim Lewis for favoring tariffs. Lewis too said tariffs were a way to get foreigners to pay for the US government. He didn't get the LP nomination, but that's because the better choice of Ron Paul presented itself. Lewis was the nominee for VP when David Bergland was the presidential nominee.
Except that during his first term he didn't deregulate so much as slow the rate of increase in regulation.
As far as deficit reduction goes, he's said he plans to use tariff revenue to go after illegal immigrants and to subsidize industries that are hurt by inevitable retaliatory tariffs, not reduce the deficit.
Finally, tariffs are not paid by foreigners. They're paid by you and me and everyone else who buys stuff.
he did what a POTUS could. And the money's fungible, it's not particular revenue streams making possible something bad.
The cost of any tax, including tariffs, falls in varying degree on buyer or seller depending on particulars. A blanket statement that the cost is borne entirely by the buyer is not justified by economic analysis. Actually that's true of all costs, not just government impositions; nobody can say as a rule which party is paying them, but hardly ever is it entirely on one side or the other.
Helping Ron Paul--a girl-bullying Republican congressman from Texas-wreck the reputation of the LP by impersonating us--was as truly stupid a move as letting the Jesus Caucus invite Trump to sucker illiterate and bewildered delegates into sabotaging the campaign of Chase Oliver. With Hospers, Nathan, MacBride, Browne and NM Gary Johnson, Chase is among the top five competent candidates the party has ever fielded. He is certainly the first to be Long-Knived by nazi infiltraitors.
The net benefit of deregulation may cut costs more than they rise because of tariffs, but the prices will still be higher than they would have been otherwise if there hadn't been any tariffs.
I think it probably is a false dichotomy to suggest that you can't have both the disinflationary benefits of deregulation and the inflationary costs of tariffs at the same time. And, incidentally, I don't think Trump is doing this because he thinks it's good for the economy.
I think Trump is doing it to benefit his blue-collar supporters at the expense of most everyone else. Trump is operating to the left of Bill Clinton on the issue of tariffs. I think Trump may be doing it for national security reasons, too. Clinton was trying to make friends with China. That's over now.
Except, inflation is a function of money, rather than of costs.
Inflation may ultimately be caused by the growth in the money supply outpacing real GDP, but people can and do still talk about inflationary pressures and deflationary pressures in terms of cost.
Yes, raising tariffs will make costs higher than they would be without them, and, yes, deregulation tends to make prices lower than they would be otherwise. Incidentally, supply shocks can increase prices in the short run, too, and people can have legitimate disagreements in real time about whether those price increases are really a function of the money supply or, say, pandemic related supply chain problems. Hindsight, of course, is 20/20.
Regardless, there's no need to use the precise language of a graduate research assistant when we're talking to people about inflationary pressures. Most people understand inflationary pressures to be about increases in prices, and the truth is that tariffs will increase prices higher than they would have been otherwise--regardless of whether inflation is ultimately a function of money.
Yeah, they talk about those things, but why couldn't they just leave it as "pressure on costs" and leave it at that instead of committing this fallacy? We have a perfectly accurate and short word, "cost".
Don't get me started on "blood thinner" when "anticoagulant" is meant. People don't even have to learn such fancy words, they can just say "anti-clotting drug".
Bob's error is common. During the gold standard, inflation was jacking up prices. Despite lessons learned in Gold Rush California, the meaning persisted until Bert Hoover and Harry Anslinger so irritated Europeans (and US corporations) into cashing their dollars in for gold that they drafted an Executive Order nationalizing all gold. this was fobbed onto FDR who changed moratorium to holiday and corporation to artificial person. Once paper currency was declared legal tender, inflation became the inevitable supply/demand result of looter governments backing forced legal tender with lead bullets instead of gold bars.
And if due to the tariffs other countries lower their tariffs causing anything decrease?
Us has relatively low tariffs as compared to other countries.
Only one president has offered every country 0% tariffs if they reciprocated.
Its because reason is full of retards.
Raise tarrifs,
Cut the trillions in regulatory costs
Push for better energy policy
False dilemma fallacy.
Tariffs aren't the main drivers of costs.
Deregulatory policies and cheapening of energy can drop prices even with tariffs. Guess what Trumps goals is for those?
Sales taxes are always less of a cost than all other forms of taxation.
Every time.
I'm not a fan of taxes, but at least they (including tariffs), as 2-sided interventions by government, don't produce as much dead-weight loss as regulations do. A tariff at least is revenue for government, while a regulation (a 3-sided intervention where government messes in transactions between 2 other parties) that inhibits economic activity hurts both the other parties while not benefiting the sovereign.
Bob just made a sensible confession. Readers doubtless hope this is the beginning of a trend.
You are a misgendering girl bullier. Shame.
Tariffs are a consumption tax biased in favor of domestic industry. That's not a bad thing, relatively speaking. I mean, taxation is theft and all, but this is better than income taxes.
Except that tariffs ar inflationary, and can lead to trade wars that benefit pretty much nobody.
Spoken like sarc. Lol.
Other countries already have largely higher tariffs on US goods dumdum.
What you mean is you want benefits for your WEG aligned global corporations at the expense of Americans.
Inflation in a monetary occurance.
Note to foreign readers: Sockpuppet2 means "can" in the sense that pure water "can" kill you if you gulp down two gallons in one sitting. Water wagon contests were organized in the 1920s, like dance marathons and flagpole sitting. But water-drinking contests were a cheap way to rid the world of prohibition fanatics ignorant of chemistry. This is on a par with LSD "can" make you crazy (if dripped on your hair before a sledgehammer cracks your skull) or Trump "can" pardon Ross after Jesus Caucus suckers sabotage Chase Oliver on the strength of meaningless babble.
The fundamental reason why so many right-wingers have moved from free trade to tatiffs is because Trump. All other justifications except in the narrowly specific case of China are dishonest rationalisations.
That Trump keeps saying that trade deficits indicate that the US being ripped off merely shows he's ignorant of macroeconomics.
Pretty much.
We are being ripped off economically in a number of areas across the globe. Abusively so. Are you really trying to claim otherwise?
Him and sarc don't know the actual definition of free trade despite them being given the definition dozens of times.
The definition depends on if you ask an economist or a politician.
You use the political definition, which is that it's ok to force your own people to pay import taxes if another government does it first.
Ask an economist and they'll tell you free trade means your government gets out of the way and lets you trade freely, regardless of what other governments do.
Thomas Sowell said that politics means ignoring economics. You prove this every day.
And this is perfectly reasonable, considering Trump was the package for sale. Sure, we don't have to choose between tariffs and regulations in our personal evaluations of policies a la carte, but when faced with the embodiment of tariff + deregulation, why not evaluate it overall the same as we would any other goods on offer? Trumpian tariffs are a cheap price to pay for the likely benefit in deregulation that comes with him, especially when you consider tariffs as being just part of the mix of federal revenues.
Even if you choose the better option, you can apply pressure to further improve it. So we'll take the deregulation and apply pressure to stop tariffs.
Nope. If you oppose tariffs then you oppose deregulation too. Trump defenders said so.
The reason so many retards like shrike scream free trade when we don't have free trade is due to Soros and globalist propaganda.
Free trade is not a one way street dumdum.
Right-Wingers means Nixon-Wallace-Hitler-KKKhristian fanatics. All those Worthlies are tariff protectionists and foreigner-haters. To them, "free trade" means a disloyal 10% cap on tariffs (for revenue), which, by influence peddled to lobbyists, OUGHT to instead be the sky is the limit with lethal force backing. Indeed, the Trumpanzee Suprema Corte lately ruled that corporate artificial persons can buy elections for enemy aliens legal as sea salt. That Trump realizes that outsourcing EVERYTHING is suicidal shows only that his advisors have read and understood Adam Smith, CHAPTER II. OF RESTRAINTS UPON IMPORTATION FROM FOREIGN COUNTRIES OF SUCH GOODS AS CAN BE PRODUCED AT HOME. See Gutenberg.org
Tariffs are great! Look at how well US Steel is doing after 8 years of higher tariffs....
Protectionism doesn't work. Just get the fuck out of the way of businesses and they will succeed or fail (bringing new success to someone else) on their own merit. No CRT/DEI for business!
We've spent 40+ years forcing businesses to leave through over-regulation. You can't fix that with some tariffs, so let's do nothing at all. Deregulate? Nah, that's fascist or something.
Deregulate is what I want. Do that, Full Stop. Don't expect taxes to fix that, in fact they feed the beast that regulates businesses off shore.
let's do nothing at all. Deregulate? Nah, that's fascist or something.
No one is saying this.
Choor menh... So Hirohito was told when the USA withheld scrap iron to force Japan to comply with limitation of cocaine production on Taiwan/Formosa. The trouble is that fanatically insane yet militarily dangerous governments such as League-Geneva-Hague-Anslinger-Hoover Amerika policies survive to burden the next Administration. When FDR was sworn in, economic collapse increased communist membership by a huge factor, and Germany had ALREADY elected Hitler to resist regulatory encroachments on their (and Japan's) pharma.
Tariffs are taxes on American businesses. No conversation about tariffs can happen until all understand that basic fact.
Funny how Trump defenders understand that taxes on businesses are always paid by customers, but they simply cannot connect that to tariffs. They just can't do it.
Cry harder. This is better than xmas.
Pointing out the willful ignorance and stupidity on display by you and the other Trump defenders equals crying? Whatever floats your boat.
Sarc, I will say this as kindly as I can. You are in position to call somebody ignorant and stupid.
Being outnumbered by willfully stupid and ignorant people who can shout me down doesn't make me stupid and ignorant. Just makes me outnumbered.
You aren't stupid and ignorant because you're shouted down. You're shouted down because you're stupid and ignorant. Get it right.
Stupid people don't know they are stupid.
You and the rest of the Trump defenders prove that every single day.
Poor sarc. Cry harder.
Imagine sarc puffing out his chest because someone dumber than him agreed with him. Wait. That just happened.
Sarc, you lost. Just go back to your bottom shelf booze.
If your political messiah gets His way and makes everything more expensive, we all lose.
I am a winner. I can afford more expensive things.
Does this mean you are actually admitting that increasing taxes on imports will make stuff more expensive? Because, according to the Trump defenders, only leftists think that import taxes paid by businesses are passed along to the customer. Income taxes, regulatory costs, and other government impositions on businesses are passed to the customer. But not import taxes. They're special. Like Trump defenders.
Poor sarc. Cry harder.
Sarc, you lost.
How?
Oh, oh! The ignorance act! Unfortunately, not an act in this case.
Fucking seriously?
The answer is that as coercive fanatics, the Orangopox intelligentzia understand that just as absorbing opium causes the body's natural production of dopamine to atrophy, turning the addict into the slave of the poppy, just so the outsourcing of technological capability to enemy aliens brings about an analogous atrophy of the capacity to resist totalitarian encroachment. The Philippine Islands are an example. U.S. fanaticism forced christianizing prohibitionist dictators on them. Now they are helpless to resist CHICOM totalitarian encroachment.
Speaking of basic facts, let us start with what is a woman.
you guys citing each other is cute.
LOL
LOL, if Reason keeps repeating their anti-tariff mantra maybe it will come true.
Tariffs will be inflationary whether you believe it or not.
Unless, as seems impossible for TDS-addled shits to understand, they are a negotiating chip.
This isn't just A point that is being missed/omitted. It's THE point. Trump does lots of stupid shit that is neither conservative nor libertarian. But he is using the threat of tariffs to force our adversaries to stop treating the US like the global trashcan.
Tarrifs can get Mexico to stop funneling every sad sack and deplorable on the planet into America, which will save us billions if not trillions, not to mention the reduction in crime and cultural chaos.
Tarrifs can potentially get China to stop stealing our IP and placing spies in our institutions. At a minimum, we can stop propping up the economy of a totalitarian slave nation that is the most likely agent of our demise.
And for Reason and every libertarian that thinks all wars are fascism, tariffs are a major tool to punish countries like Russia without the endless wars. They aren't going to lead to global peace, but they are a step towards the end to interventionism you claim to want.
Show the historical correlation of tariffs and inflation shrike. You claim to be in financing but you know jack shit about economics.
According to these two data sets there is none. But they only have tariff data back to 1989 and tariffs are mostly stable while inflation is not BECAUSE TARIFFS ONLY MAKE UP A SMALL % OF WHAT GOES INTO DETERMINING PRICES YOU DUMB FUCKS.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/tariff-rate-applied-weighted-mean-all-products?country=~USA
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/inflation-of-consumer-prices?tab=chart&country=~USA
Sarc will never respond to anything like this. This is because he doesn't care about tariffs or immigrants or really anything other than opposing people he hates.
TDS-addled steaming piles of shit are like that.
The response to that that I see most often is that 2% tariffs didn't cause inflation, therefore 25% tariffs won't raise prices.
That is true since fiat currency has perforce replaced all objective standards. But it need not be true. Radioactive gold cannot be safely swallowed or hidden in bandages. Kilowatt-hours offer a reasonable basis for standard of monetary value,m albeit not as transportable by individuals. PU has the same problem that will plague gold after neutron irradiation during hostilities. But either is preferable to the promises of politicians as a standard of monetary value. The choice NOW is between American tariffs versus the Communist Party individual income tax, as in 1896 and 1900.
. . . a study finding that such tariffs "would slow growth and accelerate inflation in all three countries."
As opposed to the actual results of tariffs under the first Trump term.
I mean who doesn't remember the rampant inflation starting the day after Trump imposed tariffs?
(at least up until the Communist Chinese flu panic shutdowns)
Remember how Trump put tariffs on everything coming in from China, Mexico and Canada? No? Me neither, because that's not what happened. Instead he put targeted tariffs on specific goods, the price of which did indeed go up. Now he plans to put tariffs on everything from out three biggest trading partners. If the results are anything like his first term, then the price of everything that's imported from China, Canada and Mexico will increase.
Do you guys really not understand the difference between targeted tariffs on specific goods and blanket tariffs on everything?
Do you guys really not understand the difference between a 2% tariff and a 25% tariff?
Do you guys really believe that there's something special about import taxes that makes businesses not pass the cost to consumers, unlike income taxes and regulations?
What the fuck.
Show me the target in this 'all products' graph:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/tariff-rate-applied-weighted-mean-all-products?country=~USA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_tariffs
You really don't understand the difference between tariffs on targeted industries like solar panels, washing machines, steel and aluminum; and tariffs on everything from a specified country. Then you call me stupid and ignorant. Wowzah.
This is a valid point. The Civil War was fought to raise a 10% revenue tariff to something protectionist. This would fund extermination of Indians in Westward Ho genocidal expansion to the newly conquered Spanish lands gotten while Mexico's ally China was bombarded by British dealers in Indian opium. Today a vengeful, nuclear-tipped China is evidently interested in payback. While comparing communist income nationalization to import tariffs, nuance is not out of order at all. Brazil sells thorium to communist Korea, since the USA uses lethal force to ban Latin American plant leaves from the open market. Let that sink in...
Wanna bet?
Actual money?
Tarrifs go up and inflation goes down the next 4 years
Do you think that will finally cause sarc to drink himself to death?
Trump must also demand from Congress to quit spending so damn much of our money.
...but that's what the [Na]tional So[zi]alist[s] voted for.
Is this a 'democratic' Nazi-Empire or not?
Heaven-forbid anyone think it's a *Constitutional* Republic.
With a Constitution that actually forbids Nazi spending ('armed-theft' distribution).
Anyone at Reason care about Domestic Trade Barriers (known as Taxes)?
Or is having ZERO taxes for foreigner-imports all that matters?
Heaven-forbid the USA stop being a foreigner-dependent nation and stand on it's own 2-feet?
You say "lower prices" but fail to point out a Tariff does NOTHING absolutely NOTHING on domestic made products.