Can the Private Sector Really Replace All Government Functions?
I can't stand big government, but I think we need something. Michael Malice says I'm wrong.

"Donald Trump will be a tyrant!"
So my neighbors claim. I live in Manhattan. Feel for me.
Yes, Trump says wild things, like riffing about "terminating" parts of the U.S. Constitution.
But I don't think he means it. As Joe Rogan said to President-elect Donald Trump when candidate Trump came on his show, "You say a lot of wild shit!"
In any case, podcaster Michael Malice, in my new video, says not to worry, "We have so much further to go before we're lost as a country."
Malice knows the damage real tyrants do. He's spent time in North Korea, and he was born in the Soviet Union. He detests political "leaders," saying the best political system is anarchism: self-government without a central authority, or, as the artificial intelligence (AI) on my computer defines it: "a self-managed, stateless society based on voluntary cooperation and mutual aid."
Malice and I debate that. I'm no anarchist. I'm a libertarian. I believe we should be allowed to act as we wish, so long as we don't hurt others. I accept the need for limited government, one that adjudicates disputes, enforces pollution control, and funds police and a military to keep us safe.
Malice says it's wrong to think that way, because all central government is a problem.
"Security is like anything else," he argues. "Should the government be producing books?…No. Producing helicopters?…No…a government monopoly makes no sense. But somehow when it comes to security, you're OK with this. And then you live in New York and wonder why it ends up being the way it is."
I'm not convinced that security is "like anything else." A government monopoly on force at least means that we rarely have different security forces fighting each other.
"How about pollution?" I ask, because I don't see how my beloved free market will effectively address it. "My smoke goes into other people's lungs. Under anarchy, there's no preventative mechanism that would deter me from letting that smoke travel."
"That's an aggression," replies Malice. "You are violating my space. That would be adjudicated under private arbitration, which would be faster and more efficient."
Private lawsuits and arbitration are efficient? Not that I've seen.
It's hard for everyone who breathes my fumes to sue me.
"There would be some John Stossels out there who make those polluting cars or they don't really care. But the point is, all the pressures on cars and all these other mechanisms are far more a function of people getting informed and involved than it is the function of government laws."
He points out that pollution is worst in countries with big governments, "like China, where under communism…you drain every bit of resource that you can….People getting cancer, dying, you don't care. Under free markets, people are more invested and have more of a space to say something, to clean up the environment."
"But our air and water were filthy before we had government's pollution laws," I point out.
"How did they get cleaned up? Because you had organizations saying 'pollution is bad'….And these companies did something about it. Government laws came as a consequence."
Malice calls anarchism "libertarianism with principles." He also published The Anarchist Handbook, featuring essays by thinkers who say that a society without government could work well.
I'm skeptical.
I hate our big intrusive government, hate that it grabs almost half our money and micromanages our lives. I hate the politicians who act like good things come from them, rather than from millions of free people pursuing our own interests. I hate that government constantly grows more intrusive and takes more of our money (under both Democrat and Republican administrations).
But I do think we need some of it.
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Certainly don’t need as much as we have now.
"So my neighbors claim. I live in Manhattan. Feel for me."
John, move. You can do it.
Same thing I was thinking. Don't ask for empathy over a personal decision.
"That's an aggression," replies Malice. "You are violating my space. That would be adjudicated under private arbitration, which would be faster and more efficient."
2A comes to mind.
Government does not have a monopoly on use of force. It is the backup plan after the first line of defense: SELF defense. It comes along behind AFTER a crime is committed and tries to justify official punishment. The limited aspect of government authority is crucial to this distinction. Malice is correct than in a libertarian society, most of the policing is voluntary self-restraint by enlightened individuals who see it as an important self-interest. It is the marginal cases - criminals who are not enlightened or missing an important personality feature as an aberration that makes Stossel correct in not being an anarchist.
Anarchy leads to gangs which become governments.
Governments lead to bureaucracies whose only goal is growth: more subordinates, bigger budgets, new regulations. The last thing any bureaucrat wants is to solve the problems which keep him in power. Eventually governments outgrow their resources and collapse back into anarchy and gangs.
Anarchy leads to gangs which become governments.
Yup.
And governments are just gangs with complicated rules that most people have, for one reason or another, decided to tolerate.
I never signed a Social Contract. Did you?
Idiot. He said, quote, "that most people have, for one reason or another, decided to tolerate.", unquote.
If he's got a problem with what I said he can say it himself. And if he does he'll do it respectfully and in good faith, unlike you and those you're trying to impress.
Exactly. Well said +1000000000.
"We the People" ... "ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
Which is actually blatantly denying a government 'socialist' contract.
But the point is, all the pressures on cars and all these other mechanisms are far more a function of people getting informed and involved than it is the function of government laws.
Which begs the question - if govt doesn't exist and there is no mechanism to act based on people being informed/involved; then those who want to - and have the economic power to - shut everyone up and keep them stupid/quiet will make sure that is exactly what happens.
In fact - this is almost exactly what did happen in the 19th century with 'patent medicine' and newspapers. That was the time before labels had to be put on anything - before fraud was anything that 'patent medicine' producers had to concern themselves about. IOW - before consumer information was even possible. And what those producers did was make sure that newspapers remained completely silent. Those papers relied heavily on ad money from those producers and the CONTRACTED quid pro quo was that they would STFU re any investigation of what might happen to consumers and/or wrongful death lawsuits.
It took seventy five years before one journalist (Samuel Hopkins Adams) got one magazine (Collier's Weekly) to write one series of articles (The Great American Fraud: Articles on the Nostrum Evil and Quacks). Which would have resulted in nothing at all (beyond futile outrage). Since even then the act of doing formal biochemistry research on humans (by Harvey Washington Wiley) required overtly poisoning test subjects with available products that were adulterated unknowingly with other potential poisons. Ignore the fact that wrongful death lawsuits could not be pursued in court since those who drank the eg arsenic, drank the evidence.
It was only the combo of all that resulted in an evil 'govt law' - the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906. Which required labels to be truthful re ingredients - and banned some other ingredients. That of course did not stop lobbyists from undermining that law - the Supreme Court ruled that producers could still claim any old shit re their products - they just could not include the banned ingredients. Of course that govt law did created the basis for honest research. Formaldehyde was the first chemical identified as hazardous and widely used then as a preservative - and remaining so to today in countries that use 'anarchism' as their food ingredient philosophy.
It is a truism that the mere act of signing legislation and hiring bureaucrats does nothing on its own to achieve the goals of 'allowing people to become informed and involved'. What that does do is enable that to occur if that was the original intent. Because it allows for the involvement of others. Not just those whose financial interest is shutting everyone else the fuck up about acquiring information or getting involved.
Because it allows for the involvement of others. Not just those whose financial interest is shutting everyone else the fuck up about acquiring information or getting involved.
Are you finally coming to understand that EcoHealth had financial interests in WIV and that they leaned on Fauci to suppress the lab leak and blow up the data collection to shut everyone else the fuck up? And that giving the vaccine producers immunity and then recommending that children at no risk to COVID get jabbed is a conflict of interest of the highest magnitude?
No? Then fuck off, JewFree.
COVID was a crime against humanity that should be in a category with Stalinist Russia, but as yet no one is being remotely held accountable. This is due to government protecting it's own ass, and equally the failure of any semblance of a free and non biased press to bring it up, or to take any accountability for it's own lapses.
I don't notice many of the commenters here doing one fucking thing to hold anyone accountable which is well within the power of citizens. In particular - selling covid as 'just the fucking flu' is overtly undermining any attempt to equate 'covid' as a crime against humanity in the same category as Stalinist Russia. You can't have it both ways. Either it was nothing - or it isn't nothing. Pretending that you can have it both ways is merely evidence that your ilk should be ignored as nothing but posers and assholes.
Both the leak and the response to lock people down were crimes.
The fact it wasn't the end of the world like you wanted to justify the lock downs doesn't change that fact retard.
Not every crime is murder. Neither is every civil judgement. Fuck off chicken little.
He is also patently ignoring that everyone involved in enforcing lockdowns would be granted absolute or qualified immunity by nature of emergency orders. What triggered the emergency orders? Recommendations from the CDC and NIAID.
Their defense will be, "We didn't make you do it!"
If they couldn't go after Cuomo and his leg humping brother for the shit show Cuomo put on, they will never get Fauci.
Who said the flu is nothing? If the flu didn't exist and someone invented it and unleashed it on humanity, that would definitely be a serious crime against humanity. Flu is a serious disease for many people. I don't know why people always assume that comparing it to flu is somehow a claim that it is nothing for anyone to worry about.
No one said the flu is nothing. What they said was covid was 'just the flu'. And the ONLY context of that use of that adverb was 'barely' or 'merely' or 'no more than'. The intent was clearly to minimize the disease - in order to eliminate any possible rationale for a public health response.
When I raised the 'Spanish flu' (which I did as early as Jan 2020) - or others did later - few of the commentariat said - ooh flu can be serious or ooh Stalin also killed a lot of people via Spanish flu. Instead - they simply started creating lies about the death count. No one died because of covid. They died of car crashes with covid in the same general vicinity. Move along now. That is in fact precisely when 'just' started to be used in all cases - to compare covid to SEASONAL flu. This was a perfect example of the Hoppean argumentation ethic. NEVER accept a premise that might lead one to a legitimate argument about what govt might/should/can/can't do.
No one used 'just' to make a legitimate (ie non-Hoppean - since Hoppean anything is entirely dishonest shit) libertarian/ancap public health argument. eg EVEN IF covid was 'just ebola' or 'just the plague', with 100% mortality, there is no justification for any government response. They didn't do that because that entire philosophy is dishonest horseshit and if they were to be honest they would also be non-credible and seen as a nihilistic worthless asshole. So - diminish the disease and therefore deny any possible response.
So now - after having spent years (including up to the present) denying the disease itself in order to deny a response, that crowd wants a vigorous response by government to hold itself accountable for doing nothing - or too much - or something else dammit.
Hey retard. The Spanish flu was just the flu.
You were here using a death ratio much higher than reality. When we pointed that out to use given the princess cruise you raged and doubled down.
You then started quoting death with covid as valid. Explain why excess deaths continue to be at the same levels as covid?
You demanded lock doens, masks, vaccines, and no health care for those who didn't do what you demanded.
You were wrong every fucking step of the way.
No one said the flu is nothing.
*cough cough* Trump defenders *cough*
TTTRRRUUUMMMMPPPP!
When I raised the 'Spanish flu' (which I did as early as Jan 2020) - or others did later - few of the commentariat said - ooh flu can be serious or ooh Stalin also killed a lot of people via Spanish flu.
You piece of shit liar. I personally argued with you over this. I pointed out that that COVID had hardly any impact on the breeding population and barely changed the average age at death because the people most at risk were already older. That all the data was showing that COVID, in the majority of cases, was mostly killing people who were going to die anyway.
And then I pointed out that the Spanish flu killed people indiscriminate of age and had a noticeable effect on the average age at death. The Spanish flu was an actual existential crisis in that it killed children and breeders, people that were in almost no danger from COVID.
And then I pointed out that COVID would not even have been noticeable in 1919 as the people at risk from COVID would have already been dead. Heart disease - dead. High blood pressure - dead. Diabetes - dead (insulin was not synthesized until the 1920s). Immunodeficiency - long dead.
So, no, COVID is not "just the flu". It is substantially less dangerous to the general population than the flu.
"...In particular - selling covid as 'just the fucking flu' is overtly undermining any attempt to equate 'covid' as a crime against humanity in the same category as Stalinist Russia..."
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
JFucked.
I also think he/jfree has it backwards, taking such heavy handed at best measure against the people should emphasize if it was just the flu these tactics then show how much it was a crime it was power for the sake of power to smash and control.
"Can the Private Sector Really Replace All Government Functions?"
No, but it can replace about 80% of them.
It's a matter of will and common sense...which Congress does not have.
I'm a libertarian, not an anarchist. I want a much smaller government, not the abolishment of government.
The problem is that The People implemented the government and then wandered off and got lost somewhere, leaving the government they implemented loose to run amok, gaining power without the restraint of the people. The responsibility was abdicated by The People.
That is because - that is the ENTIRE purpose of elections. To define 'do your duty' as 'spend a few seconds every couple of years' voting - and then run off and let the 'representatives' of The People do what they were 'elected' to do (even if pretty much none of what they do was an agenda item during the election.
Sortition is a far better way to 'hold government accountable'. It is why we have jury duty. To hold justice accountable to what a defendants peers view as 'fair' rather than what judges, legislators, or prosecutors see as 'fair'. Why we used to believe that a militia was what ultimately held government accountable to what citizens thought security should be.
Impossible. Government exists to expand. People can no more keep government small than dams can keep water from flowing. Gravity always wins.
I'm an anarchist in principle, but I don't think anarchy is a stable situation and something like government will inevitably emerge in any sufficiently large and complex society. I just don't think government is a special case. It's just a sometimes better organized, sometimes less violent version of organized crime or warlords running things.
The Tree of Liberty must be replenished from time to time by the blood of patriots. Even better would be for the people to stand on constant guard against encroachment by officials on our rights and liberties and stop each one as it happens.
Constant guard is what we really needed. Revolution is a dangerous thing. For the US it worked out pretty well in 1776, but how many other times in history has that been the case when people rebelled against tyrants? The idea of overthrowing the current corrupt regime is certainly appealing, but I am very concerned that if that happened now we would not end up with something better. We've strayed too far from the principles of individualism and liberty.
You can always rely on people to protect their own self-interest, but people have such varied interests, many of which are incompatible. At this point there have been so many compromises that nobody could possibly keep track of it all.
I propose my own fantasy alternative in my handle's link. There are many small things which could be done.
* Allow all people to challenge every law and regulation as defective, to be judged solely by 12 random adults in individual rooms with just the law or regulation and a pad of paper. If their interpretations of the law or regulation do not agree, or if any of them call it unclear or unconstitutional, throw it out and undo all past convictions. No appeal by the government. No lawyers.
* All laws and regulations expire in 1.5 years if not renewed. This allows collective a full years worth of seasonal data and analyzing it to justify its renewal. The basis for renewal must be defined in the law or regulation itself before passage. Here again,get those 12 random jurors to decide if renewal is justified. If they do not all agree, or agree for different reasons, the law or regulation is dead.
And so on. They still won't do the job. I am sure you can think of lots of ways for the burrocrats to undermine them and circumvent them.
Another trick is keeping government itself absolutely minimal -- no police powers, no taxation, no coercion -- and let people voluntarily sign up contractually with associations who provide all the taxation, regulation, and coercion they want -- as spelled out in their membership contracts, but short of slavery. Allow members to quit at any time, even if this means losing accrued ponzi benefits or property turned over as part of joining.
But then people holler "Muh military!" as if the US actually needs nuclear submarines, aircraft carriers, and bases around the world to deter invasion. People holler "Muh borders!" as if private citizens owning borderland can't soot trespassers, and as if millions of immigrants will flood the country when government can no longer entice them with welfare, and when government can no longer fly in refugees who didn't ask to be here, don't know anybody here, and whose only interest in being here is to change it and get that free welfare.
You can't have government-secured borders without government ID cards, which every teenager and college kid knows how to get. All those police, courts, prosecutors, and everyone else cost money, the taxes breed fraud and corruption, you need more police and courts to catch the fraud and corruption, and guess what? You've got your damned government all over again, and it's only goal is to grow and spend and be in control.
Yet you attack anyone critical of Trump and try really hard to impress his defenders. How does that jive with your small government words? It doesn't. My conclusion is that you're full of shit.
It's just a sometimes better organized, sometimes less violent version of organized crime or warlords running things.
Bastiat said "Government is the great fiction where everyone endeavors to live at the expense of everyone else." He's not wrong.
I say "Government is the men with the last word in violence." Can't live at the expense of others unless they pay up under threat of violence.
You get to shoot in self defense private sector home invaders.
Trump is not a libertarian - he is a statist- his addiction to tariffs is just one example of his predilection for state interference, another example are the Trump abortion bans and his DEI hires for his temu shelf who wish to use state power to enact a form of Mao’s social revolution.
You are a lefty troll; fuck off and die.
Government is not necessary, but society by no means is prepared. The reality is that we need less government with a continual effort to reduce government.
If we eliminated government in a fell-swoop, we would descend into chaos and in the power vacuum it is likely that a worse tyrant would emerge.
The COVID fiasco demonstrated that way too many people are too weak-willed and lack the ability for independent thought that is necessary for a stateless society.
What I'm saying is that this is a journey that will take time and generations. Can the private sector replace all government functions? Absolutely, but over time, one step at a time.
Anarchy inevitably means rule of the strongest. Government exists to protect the rights of all, equally.
In college I attended a libertarian seminar that called for privatizing everything, including the courts. The speaker argued that private courts would have an incentive to be fair because otherwise no one would select them. But that presupposes that both sides want a resolution to a dispute. If one side knows it's in the wrong, it's to their benefit to delay forever by making unreasonable demands. If there's no mechanism to force a resolution, justice delayed will become justice denied. (And that's just for civil cases; how do you privatize criminal law?)
Given the realities of human nature, I don't think a society without government is possible beyond a couple hundred people in a community.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number
"'How about pollution?' I ask, because I don't see how my beloved free market will effectively address it."
Ronald Coase, call your office.
So, you think DJT doesn't mean what he says? Aren't president supposed to act and pretend to be a leader, honest, not a player? Anyone who finds his moral behavior acceptable is a MAGAT.
And TDS-addled steaming piles of shit like you continue to show up here.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
It's the Trump Exception.
Malice will be eaten be bears.
And meanwhile, how do private parties agree on which arbitration entities to use, and how will enforcement entities work?
I also think that in general people would prefer not to be victims of aggression ar all than be victims and get compensated for it.
I am happy to see that most commentors realize that people cannot really get rid of government. Power vacuums do not last long and what fills them is generally not good for the common person. What most people seem to want is less government. That is hard to achieve because of the varied of opinions on what should be off government's worklist. For too many the idea is not less government but rather government that addresses my needs or beliefs above that of others. The question for people is what government service you like or you need are you willing to part with.
Maybe the term 'government' can entail...
1) one that ensures Individual Liberty and Justice for all
2) one that destroys Individual Liberty and Justice for all.
In case #2 working for [WE] 'democracy'/Democrats Identify-as 'Socialist Justice Warriors' (Mark Malice described as the 'Status' means everything defect).
The USA is NOT a 'democracy'. It is a *Constitutional* Republic with an INDIVIDUALISM Supreme Law !!!over!!! the 'democratic government'.
The USA was built right. The 'Socialist'-Status symbolic revolution that *ignored* everything the USA *is* is what went wrong.
The shaky theory that the government can evade or avoid all limitations upon its constitutional authority by simply assigning controversial tasks to private contractors was the basis for almost all globalization. The result have sometimes been impressive. But mostly it has been oligarchy, chaos, and damage to hard-won advances in American Democracy.
If your plan ever involves the phrase "if everybody would just..." your plan sucks.
Anarchy being a stable system is just as absurd as communism being a stable system. Both rely heavily on everyone cooperating and doing what is best for society. Both are silly fantasies.