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Zuck Finds His Spine

Plus: The new manifest destiny, California wildfires, Canada's immigration troubles, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 1.8.2025 9:42 AM

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A late mea culpa: "After Trump first got elected in 2016, the legacy media wrote nonstop about how misinformation was a threat to democracy," Meta founder and CEO Mark Zuckerberg said yesterday in a video posted to Facebook and a message posted to Threads. Referring to Meta's trust and safety team tasked with content moderation, he said: "We tried in good faith to address those concerns without becoming the arbiters of truth, but the fact-checkers have just been too politically biased and have destroyed more trust than they've created, especially in the U.S."

"We've reached a point where it's just too many mistakes and too much censorship," said Zuckerberg, announcing sweeping changes: No more (partisan) fact-checkers (appointed from on high); a community notes system, akin to Elon Musk's approach at X, will replace the old. Certain content—topics like immigration and gender—will no longer be so restricted. And the trust and safety team will be relocated from California to Texas, which Zuckerberg claims "will help remove the concern that biased employees are overly censoring content" (as if Texas has no lefty tech employees).

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But Zuckerberg claims he wants to work with Donald Trump, once he takes office, to counter global censorship, detailing Europe's "ever-increasing number of laws, institutionalizing censorship" as well as Latin America's secret courts "that can order companies to quietly take things down" and the ongoing, perpetual threat of Chinese censorship.

This fairly robust mea culpa satisfies Robby Soave, and that's good enough for me. We'll take it. A little bit of head-in-hands reflection, coupled with substantial policy change, is better than what we can expect from, say, our news media. These changes will make Meta a better platform that's less oriented toward paternalism and top-down control. They'll also just happen to have the effect of possibly making it once again more competitive with X.

Gulf of AMERICA: Trump, never a man to be hemmed in by norms let alone international law, has declared recently that he's interested in buying Greenland, renaming the Gulf of Mexico, and possibly getting the Panama Canal back under American control.

Speaking for about an hour at Mar-a-Lago yesterday, Trump outlined some of his latest ambitions, which have been greeted with apoplectic headlines from mainstream outlets.

Here's a transcript of his comments, and here are some excerpts:

The Panama Canal is a disgrace, what took place at the Panama Canal. Jimmy Carter gave it to them for $1 and they were supposed to treat us well. I thought it was a terrible thing to do. It was the most expensive structure ever built in the history of our country, relatively.…We gave it away for a dollar, but the deal was that they have to treat us fairly. They don't treat us fairly. They charge more for our ships than they charge for ships of other countries. They charge more for our navy than they charge for navies of other countries. They laugh at us because they think we're stupid, but we're not stupid anymore. So the Panama Canal is under discussion with them right now. They violated every aspect of the agreement and they've morally violated it also. And they want our help because it's leaking and not in good repair and they want us to give $3 billion to help fix it. I said, well, why don't you get the money from China, because China is basically taking it over.

And later:

We're going to be changing the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America, which has a beautiful ring. That covers a lot of territory. The Gulf of America, what a beautiful name and it's appropriate. It's appropriate.

Also:

We're going to put very serious tariffs on Mexico and Canada because Canada, they come through Canada too, and the drugs that are coming through are at record numbers, record numbers. So we're going to make up for that by putting tariffs on Mexico and Canada, substantial tariffs. And we want to get along with everybody, but it takes two to tango.

He has, in the last few days, talked about how he'd like to acquire Greenland, where his son is currently doing photo ops. The island, currently under Danish control, has been mulling independence from the Danes (those dirty colonists!), but Prime Minister Múte Egede has also declared that Greenland is not for sale. ("For purposes of national security and freedom throughout the world, the United States of America feels that the ownership and control of Greenland is an absolute necessity," Trump said last month when announcing his pick for U.S. ambassador to Denmark.)

"Let's start if we could with your references to Greenland and the Panama Canal and so forth," asked a journalist yesterday. "Can you assure the world that, as you try to get control of these areas, you are not going to use military or economic coercion?"

"No," Trump answered flatly.

As usual, it's not totally clear what his thinking is, or what his approach will be. It would have been better to categorically deny the possibility of using military force, sure. But I think it's too early to act like "TRUMP PURSUES IMPERIALISM" is the headline here.

A 1951 treaty gives America control over Greenland's defense. It's interesting and fair to mull whether such commitments should be rolled back, made more forceful, or changed. I don't think troops will be marching into the Arctic anytime soon, nor taking the Panama Canal. Like much of what Trump says, he may, in fact, be anchoring—starting with the craziest possible version, far from what he hopes to achieve, knowing it will need to be pared back—and laying out his starting position for negotiations, knowing he will end up with something much more mild (lesser fees for American ships going through the Panama Canal, for example). Maybe I'm giving him too much benefit of the doubt; unlike much of the news media, I have linked to a full transcript of his comments so that you, reader, can judge what you think of the remarks. Judge for yourself!

Interesting that the concept of growth via land acquisition ("let's buy Greenland! and merge with Canada!") and the concept of growth via population acquisition ("more immigrants is good!") have very, VERY different political vibes and valences right now

— Derek Thompson (@DKThomp) January 7, 2025

Southern California's terrifying situation: Multiple wildfires have started in Southern California, engulfing Pacific Palisades and other areas of the coast, with authorities sending out evacuation orders to over 30,000 people. From Malibu to Santa Monica, many people have fled, seemingly in time: No casualties have been reported yet (thankfully). The fire has consumed over 3,000 acres there so far.

East of Los Angeles, near Pasadena, another fire has consumed over 1,000 acres so far, in Eaton Canyon. A third fire has started in Sylmar, in the San Fernando Valley.

The Santa Ana winds, with gusts of 99 mph recorded last night, are exacerbating the wildfires. They're expected to calm a bit over the course of this morning but still present a massive threat as the fires have not been gotten under control yet.

"Nearly 300,000 customers across the Los Angeles area were without power early Wednesday, either because of powerful winds or because a utility provider had turned off their electricity to prevent fires," reports The New York Times.

View from the sky above LA.
Pacific Palisades and Malibu engulfed in flames. Absolutely Horrific. pic.twitter.com/Q5O8XgEHng

— Dan Hellie (@DanHellie) January 8, 2025


Scenes from New York: "Congestion pricing has totally worked," declare X users, three days in, using one single point-in-time screenshot.


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  • "For the first time a majority of Canadians, who have long been welcoming to newcomers, are questioning how their cities can manage," writes Celia Hatton for the BBC. "Politics in other Western countries has long been wrapped up in polarised debates surrounding immigration but until recently Canada had mostly avoided that issue, perhaps because of its geography. Now, however, there appears to be a profound shift in attitude. In 2022, 27% of Canadians said there were too many immigrants coming into the country, according to a survey by data and research firm Environics. By 2024, that number had increased to 58%." Canada, Hatton notes, has let in more than 5 million immigrants over the last decade, raising the country's population from 35 million to about 40 million, with 90 percent of that growth coming from immigration.
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  1. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    After Trump first got elected in 2016, the legacy media wrote nonstop about how misinformation was a threat to democracy…

    Without evidence.

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

      Are you saying they misinformed us?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        No, you just need to understand what “journalism” means in the 21st century. New technology (and ethics) has superseded mere reporting of facts. Now they can create and support narratives 100% fact-free, for the benefit of all people everywhere (except the icky ones).

      2. Longtobefree   5 months ago

        No; they lied.

  2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   5 months ago

    YOU’RE LATE

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Settle down, Rain Man.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    …but the fact-checkers have just been too politically biased and have destroyed more trust than they’ve created, especially in the U.S.

    Can we get a fact check on this?

    1. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

      Politfact: “False, lacks context.”

      would be my assumption.

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

        Politifact is more likely to use the “true but DNC narrative so false” metric.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Who do you think you are, Captain Kirk, getting some evil computer to blow itself up by posing an impossible, self-contradictory question?

      1. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

        “I submit to you that your fact check is in error…”

        1. Don't look at me!   5 months ago

          That does not compute!

      2. Quicktown Brix   5 months ago

        Captain Kirk, getting some evil computer to blow

        When I read this far, I thought you were going somewhere else. Spock’s not the only half-breed in the Federation.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    We’ve reached a point where it’s just too many mistakes and too much censorship…

    JFC, the reelection of Trump has given everyone permission to come to their senses. Who would have thunk it.

    1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

      I think the fact that the thuggish, oppressive fear the establishment tried to inculcate on everyone is breaking. It’s like just before the collapse of the Soviet Union and people are realizing that they can now tell the heavies to fuck off without facing destruction.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        Gender studies majors, too?

        1. Stupid Government Tricks   5 months ago

          They’re some of the heaviest.

        2. Social Justice is neither   5 months ago

          Not that heavy.

      2. Stupid Government Tricks   5 months ago

        Who are you to fat shame our oppressors?

    2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

      Look. The 2020 return to norms that Reason voted for didn’t work. It turns out it was democrats causing the disruption of norms. Reason was bamboozled.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

        Not so sure Sullum and Boehm got that message.

        1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

          Speaking of sullum. Lol his latest article.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

            I clicked on it.
            I read part of it.
            I rolled my fucking eyes.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        When will they come clean, like Zuck?

        1. Stupid Government Tricks   5 months ago

          Everyone assumes he came clean. I assume he’s the same power-hongry lying shit weasel he’s always been.

    3. Bubba Jones   5 months ago

      Is he “coming to his senses” or is he just pivoting to Trump’s position?

  5. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

    Increase your bust size with this one weird trick

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

      Titillating.

      1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

        You know, maybe I’ve been too hard on Pfizer and Moderna…

        1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

          JewFree has been hard since the pandemic started.

      2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

        Gigantomastia – one of the few afflictions for which you can raise more money on OnlyFans than you can on GoFundMe.

    2. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

      Safe and effective!

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        Safe, effective, and freaking awesome!

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      OK, now I can support mandatory vaccines for all actual women between 18 and 30.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        And expect a surge of husbands and boyfriends pushing their wives and girlfriends to get the jab. Cuz they can’t be too safe (or too big).

    4. Don't look at me!   5 months ago

      That’s more than a handful!

    5. shadydave   5 months ago

      I’m quickly changing my mind on the COVID vaccines.

  6. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

    IFCN, a Poynter institute fact checking group of 170 fact checking agencies, calls and emergency meeting over Meta.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/metas-fact-checking-exit-prompts-urgent-ifcn-meeting-2025-1

    Weird coordination for a non partisan group of fact experts.

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

      The EU is threatening Musk over interview with AfD party.

      “The foundation of the DSA is freedom of speech. Mr. Musk has the right to express his private views and political opinions about the EU both online and offline,” Regnier said, adding that nothing prevents Musk from conducting an interview with Weidel, which will be streamed on his platform.

      However, if the conversation with Weidel gains above-average visibility on X, as part of the procedure against this platform conducted in December 2023, the European Commission will look into whether the service provided users with the option to, for example, turn off streaming and whether it used algorithms to give it greater visibility.

      https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-commission-threatens-musk-ahead-interview-conservative-leader

      They are fascists.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

        The foundation of the DSA is freedom of speech
        However, if the conversation with Weidel gains above-average visibility on X

        “We believe in freedom of speech, but not too much!”

        Time to tell Europe, “Fuck off, you’re on your own, hope Russia nukes you into oblivion.”

        1. Zipcreature   5 months ago

          But NATO
          The IMF!
          WEF!
          Banks and money!
          Who will ensure their preferred narratives go unchecked and they keep their grasp on the Underlings?!

      2. DRM   5 months ago

        I said back in 2022 that Musk should shut down all Twitter operations in the EU as part of the headcount reduction, and let the EU build its own Great Firewall.

        (The EU does claim that the DSA applies even to platforms that don’t have operations in the EU if the platform “targets” a member state, but, of course, if you don’t have operations in the EU, it’s rather more difficult for the EU exercise any jurisdiction.)

      3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        A good time for Musk to post a speculative note about Putin “doing what he wants” in the EU.

      4. Super Scary   5 months ago

        “the European Commission will look into whether the service provided users with the option to, for example, turn off streaming ”

        Unless I’m mistaken, you can turn off Twitter at any time. Close the app or hit the big red X on your browser any time you want. Do Europeans really need a governing body to tell them something Tyler the Creator told everyone a decade ago?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

          The Europeans don’t, but the European elite think they do.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

            Don’t be so sure. If Euro-snowflakes are anything like the US variety, they need every ounce of coddling that a government nanny can impose.

        2. Gaear Grimsrud   5 months ago

          Once the streaming begins it’s A Clockwork Orange. Hopefully someone is standing by with eyedrops.

  7. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

    Moderna buried a cardiovascular death of a minor during vaccine testing. I’m glad JewFree and Jeff claim cardiovascular risk never existed with the vaccines.

    https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/moderna-buried-childs-death-covid-booster-trial-eu-report-fda-response

    1. Eeyore   5 months ago

      Maybe the child had a fentanyl problem?

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   5 months ago

      Nope a researcher kneeled on the child’s neck, it wasn’t hart problems

  8. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

    Chemjeff’s wire service of record:

    Why more frequent cold blasts could be coming from global warming

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

      If it’s too hot: climate change/global warming.
      If it’s too cold: climate change/global warming.
      If there’s a heat blast/drought: climate change/global warming.
      If there’s a cold blast/arctic conditions: climate change/global warming.

      Hey, climate change/global warming works for everything!

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        What about breast size?

        1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

          For that you have covid vaccines.

          1. Eeyore   5 months ago

            That’s new.

      2. Stupid Government Tricks   5 months ago

        Same with prices.

        If you charge more than your competitors, that’s gouging.
        If you charge less, that’s predatory.
        If you charge the same, that’s collusion.

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

          If you charge the amount determined to be fair by a government agency, that’s a free market.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

            And if you charge prices determined by customer wealth, race, and party, that’s economic justice.

    2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

      But does it cause earthquakes.

      1. Ajsloss   5 months ago

        AND volcanoes.

      2. tracerv   5 months ago

        I’ve been told it causes racism. Or racism causes climate change. Whichever is needed at the moment.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

          Ask any post-modern critical theory climatastrophist.

      3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   5 months ago

        “Yes. And solar eclipses. (It’s interstellar climate change now!)”

        – Sonny hostin

    3. Zeb   5 months ago

      AP became a paid advocacy org some time ago.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        You mean a branch of the Ministry of Truth.

        1. Zeb   5 months ago

          No, I mean someone literally paid them to cram a climate angle into every story they possibly can.

      2. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

        The Hamassociated Press? No way.

    4. Mike Parsons   5 months ago

      I mean, I did always assume at some point something as insane as “a really cold day in the middle of winter is because of climate change” would happen, because these are ridiculous people, but it is still stunning to see it happen regardless.

      I wonder if these enlightened atheist and agnostic ‘the-science’ lovers ever have the insight that they use ‘climate change’ as a replacement for what my religious gran would have used for God’s will, almost 1 for 1

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        Not just god’s will. They have invented and embraced a whole new belief system, with doctrine, rites, a priesthood, sins, penance, and, of course, an Evangelical crusade. And unlike some liberals in the 20th century, they are more than eager to make Climatology a state religion.

      2. middlefinger   5 months ago

        It’s not that deep. It’s designed to enable the elites to ration the proles on everything from calories consumed, square footage of living space to energy use per capita. Replace Big Brother in 1984 with Mother Climate

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

          Watermelons.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    …he’s interested in buying Greenland, renaming the Gulf of Mexico, and possibly getting the Panama Canal back under American control.

    All three could only benefit from the addition of gold bathroom fixtures, quite frankly.

    1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

      Greenland = SQUIRREL!

      Trump’s back to his old tricks.

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

        It is just funny because buying greenland has been in discussions for a century. But this is treated like a unique situation.

      2. Commenter_XY   5 months ago

        The hysteria and pearl clutching is truly stupendous. I laugh like hell watching these uber-lib progtards have a case of the vapors. Trump plays them like a fiddle.

        And like Lucy and the football, they fall for it every time.

        1. Ajsloss   5 months ago

          My favorite part:
          Question 01:05:52-01:05:57
          Do you think he’s [Zuck] directly responding to the threats that you have made to him in the past with these actions?
          Donald Trump 01:05:57-01:05:57
          Yeah, probably.

          It was so quick and nonchalant. That reporter definitely made use of the fainting couch.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

            Give progressives a break. They have developed an entire world view around the fainting couch, or some figurative (or literal) equivalent. Whoever faints first, wins.

    2. Roberta   5 months ago

      Ever read the bit in The Manchurian Candidate that takes place in Greenland? That’s the part nobody talks about, and is hilarious.

    3. Quicktown Brix   5 months ago

      2 birds: Dig a new canal at the US border at the bottom of the new state of South Mexico. Then we get free passage and a moat to stop migrants.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

        I ALREADY PROPOSED THIS.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

          But you told me we can’t have sharks.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

            Not even with frickin’ laser beams on their heads?

        2. Quicktown Brix   5 months ago

          My apologies. I move we call it the “Canal of Etiquette” in honor of its founder, but you have to provide the laser sharks.

      2. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

        The state of South Mexico?! The last few days have been an absolute joy. Greenland, Gulf of America, Zuck’s 180… Trump isn’t even in office yet and he’s just shitting gold. How long before sarcjeff’s head explodes?

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

          Aneurisms may have already occurred. Any of their posts so far this week have stretched no further than, “You are all poopy heads!”

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

            Jeff seems to be a bit of a mess. Gotta wonder if his Media Matters cheques have bounced. Sarc is just on repeat about tariffs.

            1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

              Sarc is stuck in the same mode Whitemikesalad was in after 1/6/2020. Every comment is about the commentariat.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

                Ah yes, the lovely “ideas” Sarc always talks about instead of people.

              2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   5 months ago

                How would you know that? I mean, the guy is hardly ever around here anymore..

  10. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    “No,” Trump answered flatly.

    Lol.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

      Can you assure the world that, as you try to get control of these areas, you are not going to use military or economic coercion?

      DEPLOY THE PROUD BOYS.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

        “assure the world”

        LOL–“Don’t upset the left-liberal consensus, please!”

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

          See “fainting couch” above.

  11. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

    I’ve been promised this is fake by jeffsarc.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/migrants-35-times-more-likely-be-arrested-sex-crimes-uk-british-citizens

    1. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

      That is amazing considering Britian largely ignores immigrant rape gangs. 3.5x more likely to be arrested, probably 100x more likely to have committed a sex crime.

    2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

      “It’s not rape if they ejaculate on the face or express regret after.” – t. Chemjeff

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

        Who are we to condemn cultural differences. Also Jeff.

    3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   5 months ago

      See? They ARE arresting them! So, what’s the problem?

      Well, aside from imported rape gangs existing, I mean…,

  12. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

    Matt Van Swol
    @matt_vanswol
    #BREAKING: Buncombe County NC has officially confirmed this afternoon that it will NOT be waiving or reducing property taxes for homes that no longer exist due to Hurricane Helene.

    Property taxes are due by midnight tonight.

    Video

    https://x.com/matt_vanswol/status/1876351873705488739

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

      And here I thought Cook County was bad.

    2. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

      Where’s my money bitch!

    3. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

      Don’t worry. They can seize the properties for unpaid taxes and sell them to Blackstone and everyone is happy.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        What’s good for the investor class is good for America. At least since many of the upper class turned blue. Also see union pension funds.

    4. middlefinger   5 months ago

      Wut?

    5. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

      Property taxes are paid in arrears, so yes, they should still pay property taxes for last year (half-year rather). That’s how they were able to get any local/state aid at all in the first place.

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

        If you neglect to pay your insurance premiums, the carrier cancels your insurance. If you rely on government transfers for compensation if your home is destroyed, you better pay your fucking taxes.

  13. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    Multiple wildfires have started in Southern California, engulfing Pacific Palisades and other areas of the coast…

    Oprah must be looking for new property to acquire.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

      We don’t need no water, let the motherfucker burn…..

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

        Burn, motherfucker, burn.

    2. Commenter_XY   5 months ago

      I have family in Sierra Madre, in the path of the Eaton fire. It doesn’t look too good right now.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

        I’m sorry, I truly am.

        But when I read this all I could think of was Gene Hackman’s Lex Luthor…

        Miss Tessmacher: [after learning that the other ICBM is heading toward Hackensack, NJ] But Lex, my mother lives in Hackensack!

        Lex Luthor : *checks his wristwatch, looks back up at her and shakes his head ‘no’*

        1. tracerv   5 months ago

          Otisburg?

          It’s a little bitty place.

        2. Commenter_XY   5 months ago

          The 210 (and CO blvd) is a natural firebreak for the valley, but anything north of the 210 in Sierra Madre is in extreme danger. I don’t think they can get firetrucks up into the foothills. Too steep.

          1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

            They can use road construction equipment in those areas. But with 99 mph winds, there is no chance to create a fire break that is wide enough.

      2. Uilleam   5 months ago

        Hope they all stay safe and it turns out ok.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

      Turns out that having a bunch of non-native eucalyptus trees in an area known to get hot winds in the winter time might be an issue for people who gripe about climate change but don’t want to admit they live in a desert.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

        Of course, when you start the record during 150 of the wettest years in the last few thousand…what we’re seeing now is more of a reversion to the norm.

        “Scientists say that in the more ancient past, California and the Southwest occasionally had even worse droughts — so-called megadroughts — that lasted decades. At least in parts of California, in two cases in the last 1,200 years, these dry spells lingered for up to two centuries.

        “The new normal, scientists say, may in fact be an old one.

        “Equally as important but much easier to forget is that we consider the last 150 years or so to be normal,” he added. “But you don’t have to go back very far at all to find much drier decades, and much drier centuries.”

        “That raises the possibility that California has built its water infrastructure — indeed, its entire modern society — during a wet period.

        [NY Times]

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

          Yeah, that too. All the hand-wringing over the Colorado River sidestepped the fact that John Wesley Powell called the watershed “The Arid Lands” for a reason, and that a lot of the Pueblo settlements in the southwest clearly collapsed due to drought.

          The West is a naturally hot, dry area and has been for millions of years.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

          There is a reason that most native California flora includes grasslands and scrub, adapted both to drought and fire.

          But of course for devout Climatologists, nothing ever burned until evil white capitalist climate change arrived. Kinda like slavery.

          1. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

            But of course for devout Climatologists, nothing ever burned until evil white capitalist climate change arrived.

            Unless they were all on fire, no one would mistake them for being bright.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

        “Using the tree-ring data, Williams and his team detected dozens of droughts across the region, starting in 800 AD. Four of those stand out as megadroughts — with extreme dryness which lasted for decades — in the late 800s, mid-1100s, the 1200s and the late 1500s.

        “Another interesting finding in the research: The 20th century was the wettest century in the entire 1,200-year record. So the conditions we may think of as “normal” were actually a historical fluke.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

          How dare you! My normal is based on my lived* experience.

          *”Lived” includes anything I want to imagine, in the past, present, or future.

        2. Michael Ejercito   5 months ago

          Blame CO2 emissions for that.

    4. Overt   5 months ago

      It’s bizarre. We lived in Altadena back in 2006 when the last set of fires was in the area. We spent a lot of time watching the fires come over the mountains above our house and the firefighters beating them back.

      I just watched a video today of our old neighborhood and it is currently on fire with no firefighters to be found. It is unbelievable that there are no firefighters on site. I know there are several fires burning, but back in ’06 there were multiple fires burning then, too.

      It is possible that this was so fast to develop that they are scrambling- that’s the fair suspicion since this fire started last night with 100 mph winds, when they couldn’t get air support. But a part of me thinks this is more of the general incompetence of government- getting worse and worse at its job.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        Or maybe fighting fires is a white privilege thing.

      2. Don't look at me!   5 months ago

        Plus, they are trying to save water with low flow fire hoses.

      3. Eeyore   5 months ago

        They might be on laptops working from home.

      4. Eeyore   5 months ago

        It feels like the highway departments have gotten similarly bad starting in 2020. Winter time. Salt, nah. Sand, nah. Let’s save some money and save the environment at the same time. Plus we get the day off and you can just go and die.

  14. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

    Patrick Webb
    @RealPatrickWebb
    BREAKING: Fani Willis confirms the existence of documents implicating her and the January 6 Committee in a collusion scheme to target Trump and his supporters, according to Tom Fitton.

    She withheld these emails, and still has not turned them over, despite Ga sunshine laws.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

      This shit is going to make Watergate look like a fifth-rate coverup of a sixth-rate burglary when all is said and done. There need to be people going to jail for conspiracy.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

        Any investigations or prosecutions will–if they occur at all–of course, be labeled as ‘Trump lawfare revenge’, and the actions of those people will be as lauded as Luigi Mangione because Trump needed to be taken down. Even if the takedowns were criminal in themselves.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

          More support for a national divorce.

      2. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

        Sarcjeff, and other Leftists like them, will continue to deny any such information as merely “conspiracy theories”.

  15. Bertram Guilfoyle   5 months ago

    satisfies Robby Soave, and that’s good enough for me.

    Glad Wolfe has a sense of humor.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Very dark humor.

      ps. Do you think Robby gets it?

  16. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

    Liz Wheeler
    @Liz_Wheeler
    The content of the new House report on the Jan. 6th pipe bomber is shocking.

    The FBI tracked phone data & narrowed the suspects down to 186 phone numbers… and then down to 1 phone number… And then the FBI suddenly stopped the case. Just, ended it.

    WHY? Who is that one person that they didn’t want to reveal???

    The FBI agent in charge (Steven D’Antuano) then told Congress that the phone data from a major telecom company was corrupted. But the telecom company says the data was NOT corrupted. Uhh… The FBI lied? To cover up?

    Now the FBI and other agencies are stonewalling Congress over WHY this investigation into what we’re told is the biggest domestic terror attack attempt in recent history just… stopped.

    Oh, and the two people who “found” the “pipe bombs” on Jan 6 we’re a “woman carrying a basket of laundry” who is actually a swamp creature who works for an intel-connected org where she works on “disinformation.” LOL. And the other “bomb” was found by a plainclothes fed.

    Both “bombs” sat in plain sight undetected for 15+ hours until both were found independently within 15 mins of each other also within 15 mins of the first breach of the Capitol.

    And the frame rate of the one video the FBI released of the pipe bomber—which came from the DNC—was 1.2fps which is lower than any security camera on the market by 8x?? Which implies that the video was tampered with? By whom? What’s on the frames that were removed from the publicly released tape??

    The implications of this are enormous.

    We are closer than we’ve ever been before in totally exposing the totality of what an absolute, evil hoax J6 was.

    Don’t lose steam now. Raise your voice. Get this over the finish line. Expose it ALL so everyone can see we aren’t crazy conspiracy theorists, that the Feds actually staged J6 to demonize MAGA after Biden & his ilk rigged the election.

    You are the media. Make this famous.

    1. Commenter_XY   5 months ago

      Jesus

    2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

      The whole thing was a coup from the get go in November.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

      I believe one of the commenters here said that the pipe bombs were actually planted by an FBI agent, to be used in case they couldn’t convince the protestors to enter the Capitol. Sounds like you had a lot of these fuckheads acting independently of each other for plausible deniability, and the investigation was stopped when the investigators found out it was one of their own.

      No wonder these assholes are resigning and heading for the hills. Patel needs to go after them with the same intensity that they did to the January 6th protestors, including the same treatment in prison.

      1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

        More so, because these people are actual traitors and coup participants, and because they were enforcement officers employed by the United States Government.

        They have to make the rubble bounce so that those who follow don’t even think of doing this again for the next 100 years.

    4. Uilleam   5 months ago

      Insanity

  17. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    “…all fell more than 6% on Wednesday after the US president-elect said he would seek to have no wind farms constructed during his second term,” reports Bloomberg.

    Looks like Trump took the wind…

    [dons sunglasses]

    …out of their sails.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

      (•_•)
      Looks like Trump took the wind…
      ( •_•)>⌐■-■
      …out of their sails.
      (⌐■_■)

      YEEEEAAAHHH

      1. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

        No.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

          No? Not even a little bit?

          1. Dillinger   5 months ago

            love the graphics. reminds me of basic

      2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

        Alright, I liked that.

      3. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

        Nice to see that ASCII art isn’t dead yet.

      4. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

        Stealing this. The ASCII part anyway.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

          Yeah, I stole this from somewhere else back when, so I don’t deserve any credit.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

            Isn’t that how the best things get passed around anyway?

            1. Dillinger   5 months ago

              twss

  18. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    For the first time a majority of Canadians, who have long been welcoming to newcomers, are questioning how their cities can manage…

    Canuckistan doesn’t want the George Clooneys and Ellen DeGenereses fleeing Trump polluting their Torontos and Montreals.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

      Or shitting on their beaches.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        The Canadian Riviera?

  19. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    In 2022, 27% of Canadians said there were too many immigrants coming into the country, according to a survey by data and research firm Environics. By 2024, that number had increased to 58%.

    Nothing will turn people off the idea of immigration like immigrants.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

      Who doesn’t like food trucks?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

        Or Indian street food, prepared with the feet.

      2. Chupacabra   5 months ago

        The people of Martha’s Vineyard, that’s who.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

          Trucks are sooo icky.

    2. mad.casual   5 months ago

      Nothing will turn people off the idea of immigration like immigrants.

      IDK, I give it ~50/50 that you would be ‘surprised’ by the outcome of a “Would you rather: Host immigrants in your home or go along with Trump’s deportation plan?” poll.

      1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   5 months ago

        Ok, I’ll start this off:

        +1 for the trump plan.

        I wonder if that guy that hardly ever comes around here anymore would rather take a few into his home? Haha. No, not really.

  20. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

    Southern California’s terrifying situation: Multiple wildfires have started in Southern California, engulfing Pacific Palisades and other areas of the coast, with authorities sending out evacuation orders to over 30,000 people. From Malibu to Santa Monica, many people have fled, seemingly in time: No casualties have been reported yet (thankfully). The fire has consumed over 3,000 acres there so far.

    LA put in a DEI hire over the fire departments. There are reports the fire hydrants have no water. Karen Bass also massively cut the fire budgets to pay for illegals and homeless programs.

    LA deserves this. They chose it.

    1. Commenter_XY   5 months ago

      I have family in the path of the Eaton fire, a little worried about that (Sierra Madre).

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

      Bass also pulled a Ted Cruz and decided it was time to take trip to Africa. And to be fair to Cruz, at least he had no control over the power grid in Texas when everything froze up.

    3. Longtobefree   5 months ago

      You get what you vote for

      https://notthebee.com/article/los-angeles-fire-hydrants-are-out-of-water-less-than-a-day-into-this-massive-wildfire-but-at-least-they-have-their-first-ever-lesbian-fire-chief

      1. middlefinger   5 months ago

        Does LA still have fire hydrants? Metal infrastructures, including fire hydrants, are being sacked by organized newcomers and locals . (Oops being sacked because the PAnDEMic)

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

          Consequences are unfair!

          1. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

            Consequences are racist and misogynistic.

            Unless it’s J6 rioters, or meme-makers, or doctors claiming outlandish things like covid originating in Wuhan, then it’s just “getting what they deserve”.

  21. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    The anti-paternalism leaving my body whenever I read something about online sports betting…

    BAN IT.

  22. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

    Just want to mention the insanity of crypto and why it is closer to the tulip craze than firm economics.

    Fartcoin which was intended as a joke has a 1.3B market evaluation now. Backed by nothing. Doesn’t even have the ability to be used for commercial transactions.

    1. Overt   5 months ago

      A bunch of these are actually used for a very specific purpose- money laundering.

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

        I agree.

    2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

      Not all crypto is insane although that certainly is.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      P.T. Barnum is jealous.

  23. sarcasmic   5 months ago

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14261303/joe-rogan-bombshell-trump-canada-state-URL.html

    Joe Rogan has revealed that he wants the US to expand even further after Donald Trump’s plans to make Canada the 51st state by adding Mexico to the mix.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14262113/Trumps-Arctic-fortress-Donalds-plan-turn-Greenland-new-military-frontier-hints-invading-vast-oil-rich-territory-coveted-Russia-threatens-Denmark-brutal-tariffs.html

    Donald Trump shocked the world yesterday when he hinted at the incendiary idea of invading Greenland for ‘national security purposes’.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

      How much of this is real, how much is a joke, and how much is just hardball negotiations?

      1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

        It’s all an obvious joke, but it’s in Sarckles interests to pretend it isn’t.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

      Honestly, the only reason that it might make sense to add Mexico (in the hypothetical that they even joined us to begin with) would be to shorten our border and make it a bit easier to manage, rather than the arbitrary line that was drawn to accommodate the railroads. It would also put the cartels square in the US government’s sights.

      The thing with Greenland is tied to legitimate strategic concerns, though, both for national security purposes against Russia, and economic ones ranging from resource extraction to control of shipping lanes. It’s one of those things like the Space Force that sound goofy at first until you start digging into the particulars.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        One other historical-cultural reason: El Norte, the area split by the current border, was once a distinct cultural and economic region, remote from, and often opposed to, the center of government in southern Mexico, whether Spanish or Mexican. We could absorb the northern states in Mexico fairly easily, and shift the border to perhaps a more logical place.

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

          The Mexican government invited the Texans specifically to act as a buffer against the Comanche who raided as far south as Mexico City. They were disappointed that the Comanche had turned out to be such shitty allies against the Apache. After independence, the Texans were mostly in control of territory down to the Nueces, and the US government was able to expand control to the Rio Grande after they fortified the region.

          Nobody gave a shit about anything south of the Rio Grande until copper and other resources were discovered and arid agricultural production became possible with the investments into public works along the border.

  24. eyeroller   5 months ago

    Wolfe seems to be doing an awful lot of Trump defending. Hmm…

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

      What, you’d rather have Jacob “TDS” Sullum instead?

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

        They want people to read the roundup.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

          Also not get “arrested” after Jan 25?

  25. mad.casual   5 months ago

    Interesting that the concept of growth via land acquisition (“let’s buy Greenland! and merge with Canada!”) and the concept of growth via population acquisition (“more immigrants is good!”) have very, VERY different political vibes and valences right now

    Interesting that the concept of growth via population acquisition (“Borders Bad! More immigrants is good!”) and the concept of growth via government wealth acquisition (“Congestion pricing works!”) have the same “vibes and valences” and nobody bats an eye.

  26. (Good Riddance Robert L. Peters) Weigel's Cock Ring   5 months ago

    I’m sorry, but I don’t believe for even a second that Faceberg has had some kind of principled epiphany regarding the Constitution; this move is being done purely out of self-preservation.

    Eventually the democraps will take control again, they will lean hard on Faceberg to go back to the censorship regime, and he’ll cave partly becausre he’s a ginormous pussy and partly because he kind of agrees with all that anyway. He doesn’t have the big balls or independence of thought Elon Musk has, not even remotely close.

    1. Ska   5 months ago

      I guess we’ll find out at some indeterminate point in the medium term.

      I mostly agree with you, but I think the self-serving nature will also make pushing back in the future an option. Prior to this past election the risk wasn’t worth it. Now there’s actually a calculation, and negotiations require leverage.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

      I’m sorry, but I don’t believe for even a second that Faceberg has had some kind of principled epiphany regarding the Constitution; this move is being done purely out of self-preservation.

      Yeah, but keep in mind that Zuck is one of the Made Men like Musk who were sponsored by the surveillance state to specifically become as big as they are. The whole point of Facebook’s rise wasn’t some organic takeover of the concept of social media, it was to give the FVEY governments a tool with the cutting edge means of data mining vast amounts of information on everyone, with the added benefit that it could be used to manipulate public opinion. That Twitter ended up actually becoming that until Musk bought it was mainly due to the the Obama administration’s proprietary use of it for their propaganda campaigns, while Facebook was more of a populist platform that Zuck had to change to keep his position.

      It’s not an accident that anti-Trump glowie Michael Hayden was in charge of both the NSA and CIA when Zuck got his angel investment from connected Made Men Peter Thiel and Jim Breyer, and then opened up Facebook outside of the college campuses in 2006. It was just a shitty MySpace clone up to that point. And it’s also no accident that fake-ass “whistleblower” Frances Haugen was given so much press, because her SPECIFIC complaint was that Zuck shut down the censorship algorithm. Dig into that bitch’s data files and email, and I guarantee she’s got a bunch of comms with the NSA and various other glowie actors coordinating their astroturf.

      1. Overt   5 months ago

        I understand how many people think Thiel is part of the deep state because of his founding of Palantir. But anyone in the VC circuit in Silicon Valley can tell you this- he built it precisely because he believes the government is too powerful. The purpose of Palantir was to be so good at mining anonymous data that the government would have no reason to do mass dragnet invasions of privacy.

        The problem was that Thiel thought he could be apolitical- he hated the Democrats and didn’t like the Republicans, so he largely sat on the sideline, trying to build systems that foster liberty, hoping libertarians would eventually succeed. Eventually he realized that this was resulting in the Democrats taking over and by then, the only people to back were in the Trump court. (JD Vance is essentially in his pocket).

        By 2006 anyone with an email address could signup to FB. As early as 2007 it was clear that MySpace was on the way down and Facebook was replacing it. Facebook wasn’t made by the government- it was made because it innovated on what MySpace did.

        MySpace was a glorified blogging platform, facebook was the first to really make everyone part of one community blog. Love it or hate it, this was a huge innovation that guaranteed Facebook’s ascendancy and by the time any other platforms caught on, they already had the network effect to win.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

          Facebook wasn’t made by the government- it was made because it innovated on what MySpace did.

          Facebook didn’t have those capabilities until after Thiel and Breyer got involved, though, and these guys didn’t just separate themselves from their sponsors in the intel and defense world out of some sense of magnaminity. These orgs use guys like this as fronts for a reason, same way the CIA used In-Q-Tel to acquire and develop tech that they could use later on, such as Keyhole’s Earth Viewer which Google acquired and developed into Google Earth.

          Facebook only became Facebook after that investment; the platform itself was basically the same as MySpace up to that point. After the investment, Zuck suddenly got access to cutting edge user interfaces and data-mining capability. He didn’t develop these on his own.

      2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

        “the Made Men like Musk who were sponsored by the surveillance state to specifically become as big as they are.”

        You’ll need to explain this one to me.

        SpaceX almost died twice and it was saved by hard work and engineering success, not grants or angel investors. And the same goes with Tesla.

        Falcon 9, Starship, the Tesla supercharger network, the Tesla Batteries, Starlink, the Boring Companies Godot and Prufrock series, Neuralink, Grok, etc. are all paradigm destroying engineering marvels. They’re not just some new search engine algorithm.
        There’s zero chance the CIA could anticipate or invent these things and stick some face in front of them.

        1. Overt   5 months ago

          I mean both Tesla and SpaceX were heavily dependent on Gov’t handouts. But I think RRWP is confusing correlation with causation. There were lots of electric companies and Boeing is a huge competitor in Space. Musk’s companies- and Facebook- won because they were better than all the alternatives at the time.

          I worked with Bill Gross down in idealab back in the day, and even he was buying used russian rockets to try and get into the space race. Paul Allen and Spaceship One, Virgin Galactic. These people are all far more plausible cronies for the government than Musk or Thiel. Yahoo and Google both created Facebook-like social media companies. They too would be more useful to a government conglomerate, as they had so much more infrastructure in place. But they all ultimately failed where Musk and Zuck succeeded.

          What actually happened is these companies excelled and then the Government started infiltrating them. For Facebook and Google it was a pretty stark takeover, but in Musk’s case, they were unsuccessful.

          1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

            “I mean both Tesla and SpaceX were heavily dependent on Gov’t handouts.”

            But they weren’t.

            Tesla profited by consumer rebates, but those were to the consumer and not Tesla. There are articles from the Guardian, CBC and the NYT all claiming that Tesla profited from government grants from the US, UK and Canada, but when you read the articles they always turn out to be direct to consumer rebates and tax credits for buying electric rather than actual grants to Tesla. They’re very dishonest about it.

            As for Space X, it is 100% privately funded and never received any grants. And unlike other companies, even the development costs were and are born by SpaceX rather than NASA. Again, the usual suspects have noted that NASA has been purchasing trips to space from them and are calling that a grant, when it’s just buying services.

            1. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

              It’s amazing how many people are confused by this basic, easily verifiable, information.

              1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

                I forgot to mention that in January 2010, the Department of Energy issued a $465 million loan to Tesla, but that wasn’t a grant either because Tesla paid it on time, in full, and with all agreed upon interest.

        2. Don't look at me!   5 months ago

          Of course it wasn’t the cia, it was aliens.

    3. Overt   5 months ago

      I have tended to agree, that this recent mea culpa doesn’t make sense in light of how hard he personally fought to get Biden elected. However he has now surprised me several times, consistently supporting a more liberty-oriented set of values. This has led me to think maybe there is more behind his actions.

      I think The Lizard’s problem is that he lacks imagination. He thought for years that the only way to play the game was to…play the game. He was surrounded by sycophants and Democrat loyalists and they had him convinced that if he just ran by their playbook, he could secure his future- much like Bill Gates had done.

      But then he saw that helping Biden didn’t help him as much as he thought- just more demands. And he sees Musk flip the fucking table, no longer playing by the System’s rules. I think it 50/50 that Zuck has been legit red-pilled. There was a Time article in 2021 about how a lot of tech elites “Fortified” the election ahead of time. Well, I think in 15 years we are going to read similar articles about how a group of SV elites decided to fight back. Musk, Theil, Ackman- these people decided they needed to start backing a resistance.

      So much time has been spent handwringing about how a bunch of ostensible libertarians could support Trump/Vance/etc. But the answer is simple: these are practical people and they only have one horse to back if they are going to push back against the globalist agenda. They are holding their nose and supporting Trump, et al, with the hopes that after they stop the bleeding they can influence things better from the inside.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

        But then he saw that helping Biden didn’t help him as much as he thought- just more demands.

        The main difference between Zuck and Gates is that Zuck doesn’t seem particularly determined at the moment to remake the world in his image outside of getting people to use his products. The astroturfed philanthropy is the whole point of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, or Soros and his Open Society Foundation and various pro-crime politicians whose elections he’s funded.

  27. Social Justice is neither   5 months ago

    So the take of both Liz and Robby is censorship, especially for explicitly leftwing political purposes is perfectly fine so long as you say sorry once it’s no longer necessary or useful. So much principle.

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

      Just like migrant rapes.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

        It would help if Liz and Robby were ‘Asian’.

      2. Social Justice is neither   5 months ago

        You mean cultural enrichment of working class English girls?

  28. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

    ‘This fairly robust mea culpa satisfies Robby Soave, and that’s good enough for me. We’ll take it. A little bit of head-in-hands reflection, coupled with substantial policy change, is better than what we can expect from, say, our news media.’

    Gak! Nothing like throwing up in my mouth a little, before breakfast. Thanks, Liz.

    Heads in hands? I would rather see heads on pikes.

    1. Zeb   5 months ago

      So you think she should have called for him to be executed? It’s good when people change their minds. Maybe he’s just doing it opportunistically. But still better than continuing to censor to the extent that they were.

      1. sarcasmic   5 months ago

        It’s good when people change their minds.

        From what I’ve seen in these comments, a majority of people would vehemently disagree.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

          Maybe if we believed he had *actually* changed his mind, instead of cynically thinking that this is a calculated ploy to try to avoid the wrath of a Trump administration that might be inclined to lay bare all the underhanded dealings he had doing the censorial bidding of the current administration.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        Zuck owns just one of the heads that deserve very public display due to their capability during a decade of overt government-lead censorship. IMO that is one of the blackest sins committed by our, um, OK, deep state. If you want to accept whatever defense he can offer (“Yeah, I owned FB, but did not really know what was going on”?), and his current “Sorry, it won’t happen again” play, fine. I feel less forgiving.

        1. Zeb   5 months ago

          I’ll reserve the beheadings for the government agents involved.

  29. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

    “For the first time a majority of Canadians, who have long been welcoming to newcomers, are questioning how their cities can manage,”

    Because healthcare is collapsing from millions of new arrivals demanding expensive operations, housing prices now average a million plus, and infrastructure and sanitation is collapsing because their are 75 people living in every urban bungalow.

    Open borders works in places like the Schengen zone where all things are equal, but open borders between a place that offers lots of free shit and one that doesn’t, isn’t going to work.

    But of course Trudeau doesn’t care because his puppeteer’s aim was to destroy the nation concept.

    1. middlefinger   5 months ago

      I posted yesterday that I fully except western countries to abandon indoor plumbing.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

        Some are already ahead of you there. When resettled in Minnesota, across Minnesota, the Somalis have a habit of ripping out the toilets and just using the hole in the floor of the apartment or house.

  30. mad.casual   5 months ago

    “Can you assure the world that, as you try to get control of these areas, you are not going to use military or economic coercion?”

    “No,” Trump answered flatly.

    Does repeatedly violating the constitution to forgive student loan debt constitute military and economic coercion? Does sending billions in aid and arms to Ukraine constitute military and economic coercion? How about the stupid bridge in Gaza?

    Can we fire whatever journalist asked that question? Not out of some partisan “Why didn’t you ask Biden, hmmm?” but out of a “If you’re job is to inform people, why did you ask such a retardedly vague and convoluted question except to bait and/or deceive people?” animus.

    1. Zeb   5 months ago

      I don’t know about “we”, but I can’t fire the journalist as I don’t employ any journalists.

      1. mad.casual   5 months ago

        I don’t employ any journalists.

        At least not directly anyway.

      2. Social Justice is neither   5 months ago

        You can fire the journalist but it takes on a wholly different light depending on the accelerant used.

        1. Zeb   5 months ago

          So, like out of a canon?

          1. Social Justice is neither   5 months ago

            Was thinking kerosene vs napalm but out of a cannon works too.

    2. Quicktown Brix   5 months ago

      I have to respect Trump for not pussy footing an answer. I’d fault him to no end if he followed through though.

      1. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

        I’ll fault him if he uses, or attempts to use, military force to take over Greenland.

        Is Greenland worth buying? Maybe. That’s up to a whole lot more people than just Trump.

        1. Dillinger   5 months ago

          >>military force to take over Greenland

          dude this thread could take over Greenland

    3. Super Scary   5 months ago

      What’s hilarious is that the media has gone directly to “Trump said he was going to bomb Greenland, Mexico and Canada and take them over using military force!” They couldn’t have responded more predictably if they tried.

      1. Don't look at me!   5 months ago

        Don’t you remember all those wars trump started last time?

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   5 months ago

          No I don’t. I died from/with Covid.

  31. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

    ‘Speaking for about an hour at Mar-a-Lago yesterday, Trump outlined some of his latest ambitions, which have been greeted with apoplectic headlines from mainstream outlets.’

    Already, the Trump administration is producing benefits.

  32. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

    ‘We’re going to be changing the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America, which has a beautiful ring. That covers a lot of territory. The Gulf of America, what a beautiful name and it’s appropriate. It’s appropriate.’

    If twisted-panty liberals can run around changing the names of mountains and rivers because of sad emotions, Trump gets at least one name change.

    1. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

      It’s a mix of US, Mexican, Cuban, etc, and international waters. We can call it whatever the hell we want. Give it a few hundred years and probably nobody will remember that it was ever called the Gulf of Mexico (or the Gulf of America, should that happen).

    2. Zeb   5 months ago

      How about just not doing the first part anymore? This “they did something stupid and/or evil, so we can do something stupid/evil too” shit gets tiresome.

  33. Mike Parsons   5 months ago

    “Interesting that the concept of growth via land acquisition… and the concept of growth via population acquisition (“more immigrants is good!”) have very, VERY different political vibes and valences right now”

    Is it interesting? They are 2 radically different things.

    “Interesting that this guy who has too many kids and lives in a 1000 sq ft house is much more into acquiring more land and a larger house before he has more kids that he doesnt have space for. Isnt that INTERESTING?!”

    No, its not interesting or surprising in the slightest lmao

    1. Homer Thompson   5 months ago

      yes they are 2 radically different things

      one is adding assets the other is adding liabilities

  34. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

    ‘”Nearly 300,000 customers across the Los Angeles area were without power early Wednesday, either because of powerful winds or because a utility provider had turned off their electricity to prevent fires,” reports The New York Times.’

    Gee, if only people in California knew the weather gets dry and windy every year. And how to construct a power grid that does not start fires. And how to avoid excess emotional despair when faced with even a small risk.

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

      They are saying these were probably started by fireworks on New Years.

      1. Stupid Government Tricks   5 months ago

        They’ll blame the power companies anyway, they’ve got the ratepayers’ deep pockets.

  35. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

    ‘”Congestion pricing has totally worked,” declare X users, three days in, using one single point-in-time screenshot.’

    Well, to be scientific, they need two data points to define a trend, right?

    1. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

      I need at least 3 points. And then, it depends on the correlation of those 3 points whether I will require more.

    2. Its_Not_Inevitable   5 months ago

      Or make a declaration and then look for a data point to support it.

    3. Minadin   5 months ago

      Driving around our progressive utopia is so much less hassle when you filter out the poors.

  36. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

    ‘”Shares in firms exposed to wind energy including Orsted A/S, Siemens Energy AG and Vestas Wind Systems A/S all fell more than 6% on Wednesday after the US president-elect said he would seek to have no wind farms constructed during his second term,” reports Bloomberg.’

    I guess if Biden can ban oil exploration then Trump can ban wind exploration.

    1. Rick James   5 months ago

      This just might be the comment of the year. Sure, it’s only 8 days old, but still…

    2. mad.casual   5 months ago

      They sow the wind
      and reap the whirlwind.
      The stalk has no head;
      it will produce no flour.
      Were it to yield grain,
      foreigners would swallow it up.

      Between LA on fire and the winds causing them to turn off the power and the wind farms and Biden invoking God to tell him to stop running for re-election and the first assassination attempt, reality still feels an awful lot like a Quentin Tarantino movie.

    3. Dillinger   5 months ago

      ya that’s funny dude.

    4. Zeb   5 months ago

      Offshore ones, at least.

  37. Use the Schwartz   5 months ago

    Greenland, Panama, Canada, this is all about trade routes and negotiating tactics IMHO. I hate the idea of Trump being smart about this, but here we are…

    1. Quicktown Brix   5 months ago

      Just wait. In a few months we’ll be invading Poland.

      1. Use the Schwartz   5 months ago

        As I think about it more, this appears to be in anticipation of a weakened China, post-Ukraine, global trade landscape. Opening up a reliable Northern trade route with easier access to Russia. And of course, taking back control of our Southern trade route.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

        You know who else invaded Poland?

        1. Quicktown Brix   5 months ago

          Pretty much everyone?

        2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

          Josef Stalin?

        3. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

          Everyone in northern Europe at some point?

        4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

          The Pope?

      3. Rick James   5 months ago

        Well, we already sent German tanks into Ukraine…

  38. Longtobefree   5 months ago

    Zuckerberg is lying.
    He lied about the censorship when he was doing it.

  39. I, Woodchipper   5 months ago

    Trump, never a man to be hemmed in by norms let alone international law, has declared recently that he’s interested in buying Greenland, renaming the Gulf of Mexico, and possibly getting the Panama Canal back under American control.

    There are neither norms nor international laws preventing these moves.

    1. Dillinger   5 months ago

      I think we’re supposed to allow for that almost-Boehm nonsense because Good Liz or something

      1. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

        Mediorce Liz is orders of magnitude better than bad Liz, but that’s like comparing an atom to the Planck length though.

        1. Dillinger   5 months ago

          why isn’t “the speed of light in a vacuum” just the speed of light?

          1. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

            The speed of light in a vacuum is different than the speed of light in other media. Or, I’ve completely missed your point.

            1. Dillinger   5 months ago

              no, I was genuinely asking. thanks.

    2. Zeb   5 months ago

      Not so sure. Since at least the early-mid 20th century, the US acquiring new territories controlled by other countries has not been the norm. Doesn’t necessarily mean it can’t or shouldn’t be done, but it’s not normal.

  40. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

    “Here’s a transcript of his comments”

    Why? When will you people learn that one of Trump’s superpowers is to spew massive amounts of bullshit out there in order to cause his potential opposition to sputter incoherently with rage while spinning out of any semblance of a capable opposition. If you take anything he says seriously in an attempt to refute it, you’re wasting your time. And don’t even think about trying to change his mind about policies – I doubt that he even remembers what he said yesterday, let alone being able to formulate a policy.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

      “…When will you people learn that one of MWAocdoc’s superpowers is to spew massive amounts of bullshit out there in order to cause his potential opposition to sputter incoherently with rage while spinning out of any semblance of a capable opposition…”

      1. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

        Thanks for falling into my clever trap. And, as a bonus for my ploy, you even REPEATED what I said without denying it! Well played …

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

          “Clever Trap”? Assholish display of long-TDS, twit.

          1. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

            And there’s the “sputtering incoherently with rage” right on cue!

    2. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

      Sarcjeff, is that you?

      1. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

        Ha ha ha!

  41. Dillinger   5 months ago

    I have never used facebook and won’t start now but if he’s serious good for Zuck

  42. Dillinger   5 months ago

    >>interested in buying Greenland, renaming the Gulf of Mexico, and possibly getting the Panama Canal back under American control.

    Greenland should always have been ours, Gulf of Mexico was always the wrong name, and Carter’s Folly requires immediate correction.

  43. Dillinger   5 months ago

    >>a utility provider had turned off their electricity to prevent fires

    only utility providers can prevent forest fires.

  44. Rick James   5 months ago

    FYI, Mark Zuckerberg did not “find his spine”. He simply sways in whatever direction the winds are going. He readily aligns himself with the prevailing attitudes within circles of power, that’s it. When Gavin Newsom is president in 2032, he’ll rapidly shift back.

    1. Rick James   5 months ago

      Shorter: Don’t be fooled by a half dozen center left liberals swiveling their hips and saying, “Yeah man, we’re all about that free speech, man!”

      1. mad.casual   5 months ago

        I would be more appreciative of Zuck finding his spine if, from 2016-2024 I hadn’t witnessed so many Americans lose theirs.

        I am a bio-scientist by education and, even if I weren’t, was under the impression that it was a relatively critical and congenital organ, a necessary part of being not just an American, but a human. Apparently, that’s not the case.

      2. Dillinger   5 months ago

        >> swiveling their hips

        I got a lumbar thing going on from being too old to dive for baseballs and if I swivel my hips just right both legs go numb down the back

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   5 months ago

          Pretty sure it was decades of hip swiveling that killed Elvis. But at least he died on the throne.

    2. RC   5 months ago

      Agreed, this is a reaction to seeing Trump & Elon Musk being prominent and popular, but zero guarantees that it won’t change down the road. He also didn’t say much (if anything) about shadow-banning, which is more difficult to detect and can be ramped up behind the scenes without a big announcement.

      If Zuckerberg was “finding his spine,” he would be talking about rolling this out worldwide, instead of just in the United States. He’s shifting with the political winds.

      I left Facebook (all of social media, really) several years ago, and while I miss being able to keep up with family, I certainly don’t miss the political BS and all of the censorship crap.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   5 months ago

        I haven’t actually been on Facebook for years but haven’t shut down my membership only because Marketplace killed Craigslist around here.

      2. Longtobefree   5 months ago

        As it turns out, the same phone you used for facebook can also call your family.

  45. Eeyore   5 months ago

    Zuck might be realizing the complying with the internet laws in every single country and every single state is an impossible task.

    1. Rick James   5 months ago

      Careful what you with for. This is precisely why Zuckerberg has been calling for more regulation of social media and a re-worked section 230. He wants to outsource it to the state.

  46. Dillinger   5 months ago

    >>I don’t think troops will be marching into the Arctic anytime soon

    somebody didn’t read Red Storm Rising

    1. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

      I think someone also didn’t read the part where the US already has troops stationed in Greenland.

      1. Dillinger   5 months ago

        lolnope.

  47. Zipcreature   5 months ago

    Since Zack is now ending censorship on Facebook (allegedly) He will be happy to provide us with a full list of all the NGOs, Gov Orgs, and people who were part of the censorship industrial complex, riiiight?

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