What's Left For the U.S. To Do in Syria?
The Syrian civil war is over, at least for now. But the Biden and Trump administrations both seem keen on shaping the outcome—and U.S. partners are gearing up to invade.

The Assad dynasty has fallen. After 54 years of Assad family rule, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad quietly fled the capital city of Damascus on Saturday night, seeking asylum in Russia. The government that had clung onto power through military force for so long crumbled in the face of a sudden uprising led by Abu Mohammad al-Golani, former head of Al Qaeda in Syria who later fought against Al Qaeda and founded an independent Islamist organization.
The United States did not expect Assad to fall, but it now has many cards to play in influencing the postwar situation. President Joe Biden gloated on Sunday that his policies have "shifted the balance of power in the Middle East," and promised to keep U.S. troops on the ground in Syria. Although President-elect Donald Trump personally said that Syria is "not our fight," he bashed the Obama administration for not getting involved more decisively. Members of Trump's circle also seem eager to shape the postwar outcome.
"I think Abu Muhammad al-Jolani [sic] must be delusional if he thinks that Syrians, having seen the departure of a 54-yr dictatorship yesterday, will sit still as he installs himself as another dictator in Assad's place," wrote Joel Rayburn, a former Trump administration official who is reportedly part of Trump's new National Security Council, in a social media post. Regime change in Syria has been one of Rayburn's pet projects for a long time.
Golani's forces were not the first to enter Damascus. A motley coalition of local militias with ties to Jordanian and U.S. intelligence beat him to the punch. ("They're very different [from Golani]. We know a lot of them," a senior Biden administration official told reporters on Sunday.) Still, Golani is the kingmaker, if not the king. After entering Damascus, he gave a victory speech and installed one of his loyalists as the new prime minister.
Along with its indirect support for rebels, the U.S. military currently has "approximately 900" troops stationed in Syria, some of them stationed alongside Kurdish-led rebels known as the Syrian Democratic Forces, and some of them sitting at a lonely outpost on the Jordanian border known as al-Tanf. Although these forces were originally sent to fight the Islamic State, they have since become a tool for countering Iran and Russia, the Assad government's old backers. In a show of force on Sunday, the U.S. military bombed 75 alleged Islamic State hideouts in areas that used to be under Russian military control.
Turkey, a U.S. treaty ally, and Israel, a close friend that receives extensive U.S. military aid, have joined the fray.
The Israeli army, which had already taken the Golan Heights from Syria in 1967, seized another 155 square miles of Syrian territory along the border. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called for the deployment of a "temporary defensive position until a suitable arrangement is found" in an English-language video, but left that phrase out of the Hebrew-language announcement. Israeli fighter jets have also been bombing military equipment across Syria to keep it out of "the hands of extremists."
Turkey, meanwhile, immediately attacked the town of Manbij, near the Turkish border. It was a case of a U.S. ally fighting U.S. proxies. Syrian mercenaries, some of them formerly armed and trained by the CIA, advanced against the Syrian Democratic Forces under Turkish air cover. The Syrian Democratic Forces agreed to withdraw from Manbij after a U.S.-Turkish agreement, a rebel source told Reuters.
"The situation is really bad," Sihem Hemo, a Kurdish official from Manbij, tells Reason by text message. "The people are exposed to torture and pillaging." She says that the Turkish-backed mercenaries began looting after they entered the city and that they have been targeting Kurds as well as former Syrian Democratic Forces fighters.
Aside from its military influence, Washington has one last powerful piece of leverage: economic sanctions. During the war, the United States imposed a trade embargo on Syria and passed the Caesar Civilian Protection Act, designed to prevent international reconstruction as long as Assad remained in power. Golani's organization, known by its Arabic initials HTS, is also considered a terrorist organization by the United States, the United Nations, and the European Union, which could expose any HTS-led government to more sanctions.
U.N. Special Envoy Geir Pedersen told the Financial Times that there was "no way to exclude" HTS from the future of Syria, and hinted that "those who are dealing with these questions" would be "willing to look at" the terrorism designation if Golani installs an "inclusive" government. A U.S. official also told reporters that Golani's organization "will be an important component" of Syria and "we will intend to engage with them appropriately and with U.S. interests in mind."
How the U.S. actually uses its leverage, of course, is the million dollar question. Biden said in his speech that he wants to see a region "where our friends are safe, where our enemies are contained" and a Syrian government with a "commitment to the rights of all Syrians, the rule of law, the protection of religious and ethnic minorities." They're noble goals for sure, but the United States has an awful track record of balancing them, including in Syria itself.
It's hard to see, for example, how to square Biden's vision for an "independent, sovereign" Syria with the fact that two U.S. partners are currently nibbling away at Syrian territory.
Trump's instincts, then, might not be so bad: "THE UNITED STATES SHOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. THIS IS NOT OUR FIGHT. LET IT PLAY OUT. DO NOT GET INVOLVED!"
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everybody keeps saying "brutal" ahead of "Assad Regime" but I heard he was the only guy in town who kept Jesus' churches open am I misled?
also I was led to believe the current isis team was O's ... did Brandon ask O about bombing his terrorists before giving orders?
No. He tortured Christians.
We had a terrible leader replaced by terrible leaders.
What is left for the US to do in Syria ?
Have we tried ... nothing ? Having no role whatsoever ? Is that a thing , these days ? Minding our own business ?
Sure would be a lot simpler. And not to give Muslim terrorists much praise, but gee, maybe if we weren't meddling in every country on earth, maybe there wouldn't be so many terrorists and countries targeting Americans.
Did you just say that blowback exists? That used to be blasphemy to right-wingers. They'd react like a Trump defender reacts if you say he lost the 2020 election. Full on freakout with spit flying everywhere. Is it ok to say blowback exists now? If so, what changed?
>>That used to be blasphemy to right-wingers. They'd react like a Trump defender reacts if you say he lost the 2020 election
these two statements indicate right-wingers and Trump defenders are of separate camps.
Or they changed their heartfelt beliefs to fall in line with their cult of personality like they did on economic liberty.
Tariffs aren't taxes on us GOOD Americans!!! Evil ferriners pay them ALL, damn-shit!!! Trump told me so!!!
Sarc is a pathetic, lying pile of lefty shit, ain't he?
Yeah. Spending substantial money to "fix" shithole countries has been a decidedly unsuccessful strategy for years.
Of course Biden wants to do so.
Don't forget 10% for the big man.
Well, since nothing is what we should have been doing from the start, I'd give it a college try at least.
Lesseeee ...
Let's see ...
* US borders don't mean squat.
* Ukraine borders are precious.
* Syrian borders ... I guess Schroedinger's in charge of them for the time being.
"Syria with the fact that two U.S. partners are currently nibbling away at Syrian territory."
Pretty sure I read an "abolish borders" article recently at some online magazine. I can't remember which magazine though.
Shit is sad to see Syria torn apart by outside meddlers and their proxies!
Shit is even MORE sad to see the USA, torn in two by Demon-Crap proxies of the Lizard People, and Rethugglican proxies of the Amphibian People! Lest ye say that the Amphibian People aren't real... I give you Pepe the racist stolen-IP frog!
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/pepe-the-frog-far-right-icon/
Are the rest of you getting challenges on this site to prove you're not a robot, as I'm getting?
Not in a long time. What I used to get was logged off almost every day, and now I get popups for webathon donations.
The algorithm is confused by your screen name.
I also get logged out often, almost daily. A year ago being logged out almost never happened. I have never been asked if I was a robot. Maybe because Reason thinks I am one? ( I do have 11 years of robot experience)
What was ever the point of the U.S. getting involved in Syria? That whole area of the world still lives in the middle ages and they change governments like you and I might change our shirts.
One can say for 'stability' but in this region 'stability' is code for 'install an authoritarian guy that likes us instead of the authoritarian guy that doesn't'.
Well, in the USA we have our own home-grown version of 'install an authoritarian guy that likes us instead of the authoritarian guy that doesn't'... One "team's" authoritarian guy wants to take away all of our rights to control our own wombs, and the other "team's" authoritarian guy wants to take away all of our guns! We are SNOT all that much different here!!!
I knew you were going to make this about Biden.
We really don't care what people who choose to be poor and treat the women living there like dogs. Nor do we care about the women who find that acceptable.
Get the hell out as soon as a competent US administration is in place.
Pipelines.
Very much this. Russia was in it for pipelines and a warm water port. Here's one take on it (from 2017): https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/russias-energy-goals-syria
As for the US, it partly began as an ISIS hunt, which seemed valid to the powerful at the time. And there were plenty of issues with Kurdish allies and Iraqi destabilization, but beyond that there's zero compelling interest for US involvement. None.
The mess of the civil war that was developing should have had us "Nope!"ing out of there the instant we couldn't decide whether Russia was an ally or an opponent. None of Obama's posturing, western "Assad has to go" rhetoric, or anything else that pretty much guaranteed the war would escalate.
Let 'em fight it out, there was no "win" for US intervention, no outcome better or worse than what's happening now, a decade later.
To make money for Victoria nuland and pelosi
led by Abu Mohammad al-Jolani, former head of Al Qaeda in Syria who later fought against Al Qaeda and founded an independent Islamist organization.
What the fuck kind of horseshit is Petti doing to make this a "Both sides" issue?
Quick scan of the article, followed the link:
Absolutely correct, and has nothing to do with fighting other people's wars. And talking about over a decade ago. I've had the feeling since the first article I read, but Petti is a disingenuous fuck. Period.
Let's talk about Obama problems. For example, he was a terrible negotiator. He routinely poisoned the well or failed to live up to his own agreements, using the adoring press to cover him. Even Woodward pointed that out when he wrote about how Obama made statements that left Republicans unable to vote for a negotiated budget without looking weak and ineffectual to their constituents, which would have given Obama what he wanted if he'd just shut the fuck up and let the vote go through.
With Syria, we'll begin with the bold rhetoric that we would accept no less than Assad's ouster. "Assad must go" he said, which was immediately followed by far more brutal Government actions. Because Assad was now literally fighting for his very life, with no possibility of a face saving exit, or a negotiated cease fire. "Must go" meant to Assad he'd be strung up by his heels, so he fought like he was cornered. It was win or die.
So, drawing a line in the sand, saying cross it and there will be repercussions, has zero effect if nobody believes there will be repercussions. This is a fundamental part of any negotiation. If you say you'll walk away, you have to be willing to walk away. Or at least convince the other party believe that you will. If you say you'll fight, you have to convince the other party you might be willing to fight.
This is what Trump was pointing out. Read the link, with the whole quote, and it is blatantly obvious. Trump is saying nobody believed Obama because he made threats and blustered but they never believed he was willing to back the threats up. It gives a weak position. All valid observations.
Meanwhile, his current stance is Not My Pig, Not My Farm. But, criticizing Obama lets them know that they sure better not make it our problem, because he's not a pussy making idle threats.
This is the tiniest bit of the Syria drama, which a Middle East expert should already know. I bet Petti does. He's just so agenda driven he doesn't give a shit and will spin it however he wants assuming we're to lazy to follow links. Or maybe he's trying to reach Bohm or Sullem status, where people see his name and don't bother to read the article at all, because they know he's full of shit.
The last paragraph where he quotes Trump contradicts the subtitle. Petti is a hack.
Trump had it right; it's not our fight. Get all US assets out as soon as it can be properly done (don't let leakin' Joe do it).
All I know is that the military loathed and loathes Obama.
I can only recall at this late date the Military Times poll
Obama Support among Military Plummets to 15 Percent
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/obama-support-among-military-plummets-15-percent-john-fund/
What matters above all is how the Military views the commander-in-chief. It was the most amazing reception I"ve seen in my lifetime, how Trump was greeted at the Army -Navy game after his election.
Watch the next Army-Navy game. Biden and Obama never got 1% of that.
Just look at the pre-election Pennsylvania Rally. SImpy astounding.
Unbelievable if I had not seen it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5poS9ZyrDY
Petti should stick to subjects he understands.
The Syrian civil war is far from over. The country is balkanized into several territories under different faction's control. Assad's fall only unifies the area the rebels were in with the area's Assad controlled. There are also two small coastal pockets under Russian control, an area the size of half the country under US-backed Kurd control, a small pocket under ISIS control, and several areas of no-man's land no one controls.
Unless the Kurds and rebels agree on a merger, or on the emergence of two new states, we are at a stalemate at best. The rebels detest the Shiite-militias and Iranians, which is why they are making positive signals to the US and ignoring Israel for the moment, but their ability to execute a smooth transfer of power and set up a stable government is in question. If we let the Russians on Iranian shiite-backed militias interfere, it all goes up in flames.
There is a reason the US has been hammering Isis and the Israelis have been eliminating the Syrian army's strategic assets in the wake of the fall of Damascus. One removes a potentially destabilizing force against the emerging regime in Damascus from the board, while the other is insurance against that group either failing or being far more full of bullshit and far less pragmatic than Jolani is trying to make them appear.
Matthew, there is a metric fuckton left to be done in Syria and its in our interest to help stabilize the emerging group in Damascus while incentivizing a more moderate path and engagement with the Gulf League rather than Russia and Iran. Also, just for the record, we aren't risking WWIIII. We're already in it. People just don't want to admit that. This was one battle in that conflict. Its not the war. Its not game, set, and match.
If Congress actually puts together an AUMF with clear cut guidelines, and a timeframe I might support it, but I'm tired of presidents having unilateral control over the war powers.
Our support for the Kurds is analogous to say, China giving one of our Indian tribes weapons and protection from the Federal government.
Just shows how rational the 'U.S. led rules based international order' isn't.
Trump won the 2016 primaries because he openly criticized the Iraq war. The neocons have been trying to silence him ever since. That's what changed.
For the democrats, it’s not just that. They believe they can “save the world”. It doesn’t seem to matter if you’re a religious ideologue or secular economist. A lot of people believe they have the power to change cultures from the inside out. Then there’s all the bankrupt public pension investments in these *Emerging Markets*, that’s another racket in itself.
Ever watch the UP series from Britain? One of the younger kids, when he’s around 8 years old talks about moving around the world and making people “better”. The guy ends up moving to a third world country later in life to “save people”, then in older life becomes a socialist. He’s a likable guy, just absolutely naive and clueless on rackets/organized crime/cronyism.
Speaking of socialist naïveté (or useful idiots) on organized crime or racketeering, I had to post this on the city of Chicago (a bankrupt city). Apparently leftist staffers rake in six figures and Aldermans pull in $450k~.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-mayor-boots-public-from-rowdy-city-meeting-residents-object-migrant-invasion
Listen to the interview
The only thing that’s certain is we’re gonna screw the Kurds again.
We have no obligation to do other than leave them alone. It is not our responsibility.