Why Is America Still In Syria?

Trump brought chaos to a region already on the brink, and the unintended consequences of his actions will reverberate for years to come.


In September 2020, a Syrian rebel group called the Hamza Division showed up in an unexpected place: the disputed post-Soviet territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, 600 miles from Aleppo. The rebels had been offered $1,500 per month each to fight for Azerbaijan against Armenia in the two countries' border war over that disputed territory, several different news outlets reported. 

Sayf Bulad, commander of the Hamza Division, has an interesting past. He served as a commander in a CIA-backed rebel group, appeared in pro–Islamic State propaganda, trained with the U.S. military, and fought other U.S.-backed rebel groups in Syria on behalf of the Turkish government. Now he was helping two former Soviet republics fight each other for money.

Bulad's story is a symbol of the chaotic U.S. policy toward Syria and its unintended consequences.

U.S. policy toward Syria was torn between two often-clashing goals during the Obama administration: The CIA and State Department were focused on ending the Assad family's decadeslong rule, while the U.S. military was trying to crush violent religious extremists such as the Islamic State.

President Donald Trump inherited this awkwardly stitched-together policy and added in an element of chaos. The president himself said he wanted to end "endless wars" and claimed he was ready to pull U.S. forces out of Syria at the first opportunity. But he hired a collection of hawkish advisers who thought of Syria as a battlefield on which to make Iran and Russia bleed.

"He hasn't been able to bring American troops home, because his own bureaucracy resists him," says Aaron Stein, director of research at the Foreign Policy Research Institute. "He never set up a bureaucratic process to actually implement what he wants to do."

The result has been a disaster.

In 2018 and 2019, Trump ordered U.S. forces out of Syria, only to walk back the order both times. The Kurds have been left in a deadly limbo, unable to count on U.S. protection from Turkey but also blocked from looking to outside powers for help. Meanwhile, American troops have found themselves in increasingly dangerous confrontations with their Russian counterparts in the country.

U.S. policy has not only failed to stop the conflict; it has helped prolong it, leaving millions of Syrians at the mercy of White House palace intrigue. President-elect Joe Biden will have to find a way to extract the United States from Syria without reigniting the civil war—or getting sucked back in.

'The Time Has Come'

The United States began backing Syrian rebels because many in the Obama administration believed that they could help quickly bring down an oppressive tyrant. Instead, the U.S. intervention fed into a bloody, yearslong international conflict.

U.S.-Syrian hostility dates back decades. Syria is a close ally of Russia and Iran and helped support the insurgents during the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003. But direct U.S. involvement in Syrian internal politics began with the Arab Spring.

As in other Arab countries at the time, Syrian activists rose up in protest against corruption and political repression. Syrian dictator Bashar Assad cracked down with brute force. Part of the Syrian army deserted, and the uprising became a full-blown civil war.

U.S. officials "looked at Bashar al-Assad as a hapless dictator who was not going to survive any of this," says Frederic Hof, who served as an envoy for Syrian-Israeli peace negotiations at the time. President Barack Obama declared in August 2011 that "the time has come for President Assad to step aside," although he also made it clear that "the United States cannot and will not impose this transition upon Syria."

Nevertheless, in an effort to hasten Assad's end, the Obama administration imposed economic sanctions banning nearly all trade with Syria. The Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush administrations had previously imposed some sanctions on the Syrian government for supporting terrorism, but the new sanctions put the entire country under a blockade.

Other countries lined up more forcefully behind the anti-Assad opposition. Saudi Arabia, seeking to hurt Assad's ally Iran, sent arms to the rebels. So did Turkey and Qatar, who saw the uprisings of the Arab Spring as a way to increase their own influence.

In 2013, Obama gave the CIA a green light to join in directly arming Syria's rebels. Many details of the "Timber Sycamore" program remain classified, but it reportedly cost billions of dollars over four years. Assad's forces lost control of much of the country in this time.

Hof and Robert Ford, the last U.S. envoy in Syria, claim that the U.S. arms program was not a decisive factor. It was "overwhelmed by support provided by regional actors such as Saudi Arabia and Turkey," Hof says. Other experts, including Stein, disagree. In particular, they say, U.S.-made anti-tank rockets played a key role in helping the rebels push back the Syrian military.

But the regime did not fall.

"Rather than Bashar capitulating," Stein explains, "he said, 'I'm going to the Russians and the Iranians'" for help. "It was the boomerang of the success of the CIA program."

Ford had believed early in the conflict that Assad could not win a war of attrition—and that the opposition could convince Assad's allies in Russia and Iran to stay out of the fight. This prediction turned out to be incorrect. Iran soon began sending military advisers, volunteers, and mercenaries to back Assad. By late 2015, Russian jets and combat troops were also in the country. 

"We made a terrible, terrible analytical mistake," says Ford.

Russia, Iran, and the Assad regime eventually retook most of Syria's major cities through years of brutal siege warfare. As many as 200,000 civilians died in the process, in addition to the tens of thousands who perished in Assad's prisons during this period, according to the pro-opposition Syrian Network for Human Rights and the British-funded Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

The chaos also allowed religious fundamentalists to take a prominent role in the Syrian opposition. Syrian nationalist rebels vetted and backed by the United States fought alongside sectarian Islamist groups.

"We effectively created auxiliaries to these hardline groups that were taking territory," Stein says. "Even though the hardliners were smaller in number, they were more effective."

These "openly sectarian figures…just scared the hell out of Syrian minorities, who as a result stuck with Assad," explains Hof, who resigned from the government in 2012 and now teaches at Bard College.

Religious fundamentalists became especially powerful in Eastern Syria, where U.S. military intelligence warned in August 2012 that Al Qaeda in Syria was going to "declare an Islamic state through its union with other terrorist organizations in Iraq and Syria," according to a declassified report.

At the same time, Syria's long-oppressed Kurdish minority was starting to take up arms. They were led by a left-wing guerrilla group called the People's Defense Units (YPG).

The YPG began to clash with Al Qaeda, whose Syrian branch broke off to form the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria in early 2014. The Kurdish militants sought autonomy for their region under a secular system of self-rule, while Al Qaeda and later the Islamic State wanted to establish a pan-Islamic theocracy—just as the U.S. military intelligence report had warned.

U.S. diplomats were flying blind when it came to the region, according to Ford, now a senior fellow at the Middle East Institute and the Yale Jackson Institute for Global Affairs. American intelligence agencies had not even been able to provide him with "two pages" on the political dynamics of northeastern Syria. But pressure was building on Obama to act, especially as the Islamic State executed journalists on tape and began a genocide against the Yazidi minority in neighboring Iraq.

The administration did not really understand which factions it could work with in Syria, according to Alexander Bick, then the director of Syrian affairs at the White House National Security Council. But eventually, the American military saw that the YPG was drawing Islamic State fighters "like a magnet" to the besieged northern Syrian city of Kobanê in late 2014. The United States opened a line of communication with the Syrian Kurds through intermediaries in Iraqi Kurdistan, and the YPG began helping direct U.S. airstrikes against the Islamic State.

At the same time, the U.S. military was trying to work with other Syrian rebel groups. It spent $500 million on a program to train and equip a new army of pro-America, anti-Assad fighters. The results were disastrous. The first batch of fighters was quickly defeated and robbed by Al Qaeda in July 2015. Other alumni of the program, including the Hamza Division, went on to fight as mercenaries throughout the region—turning up, eventually, in Nagorno-Karabakh.

"We would hear, 'I have 5,000 men'…and it turned out there would be like 20," said former Middle East envoy Brett McGurk during a October 2019 speech at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. "Or the forces that we wanted to work with were so riddled with extremists that our military repeatedly said, 'There's no way we can work with these people.'"

Finally, the U.S. helped the YPG form a coalition with Assyrian Christian and Arab fighters called the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF). With minimal U.S. involvement—mostly in the form of military advisers and air support—the coalition sliced the Islamic State into pieces.

SDF fighters found themselves at the gates of Raqqa, the Islamic State's de facto capital, by October 2016.

Obama had launched two interventions in Syria. The first, a covert attempt to overthrow Assad, failed miserably. The second, the war against the Islamic State—which sought to fix problems partially created by the first—succeeded only when the administration set limited goals, employed modest means, and relied on a campaign led by locals.

'Orderly Transfer of Power'

Trump may have criticized America's interventions abroad during the 2016 election, but his administration picked up almost exactly where Obama had left off. McGurk stayed on as the White House's point man for military operations in Syria and Iraq, and Trump signed off on his roadmap, with a few important adjustments.

The new administration launched airstrikes against pro-Assad forces in April 2017 and April 2018 in response to chemical weapons attacks on civilians. Trump saw himself as reestablishing a "red line" that Obama had muddled.

Trump also started backing the YPG, who were still the most effective fighters in the SDF, more directly. American weapons flowed to the Kurds, while about 400 U.S. Marines joined the front lines in Raqqa, the first-ever conventional U.S. boots on the ground in Syria. "Donald Trump wanted to end the war in Syria as fast as possible," says Stein. "That's why he signed off on arming the YPG directly." 

The international coalition declared victory at Raqqa in October 2017 and moved on to hunt down the remnants of the Islamic State in the oil-rich, Arab-majority rural province of Deir al-Zor, Syria. The campaign there, which dragged on for more than a year, was temporarily put on pause when Turkey invaded the Syrian Kurdish enclave of Afrin in January 2018. American officials described the Kurds' mini-war with Turkey as a "distraction," but the conflict would later become a major headache for the United States.

Trump then began to talk about withdrawing from Syria—while at the same time escalating against Iran.

In April 2018, the president appointed longtime hawk John Bolton as his national security adviser and promoted CIA Director Mike Pompeo to secretary of state. Both saw Iran rather than the Islamic State as America's greatest enemy in the Middle East. They began a "maximum pressure" campaign meant to roll back Iranian influence across the region, which included forcing Iranian troops out of Syria.

Pompeo put two hawkish officials in charge of Syria policy: James Jeffrey, a veteran cold warrior who had served as U.S. ambassador to both Turkey and Iraq, and Joel Rayburn, a retired Army officer who had helped advise the U.S. military "surge" in Iraq.

McGurk supported brokering a peace deal between the Syrian Kurds and the Russians, but he met opposition from the new faction of Iran hawks in the administration. Jeffrey even asked the Kurds not to make a deal with Assad, telling them to rely instead on U.S. protection, the Daily Beast later reported. The hawkish faction also saw the U.S.-backed Syrian Kurdish forces as a "terrorist group," as Bolton put it.

The YPG was close to an insurgent group in Turkey called the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK). Ironically, U.S. diplomats had predicted confidently in November 2007 that the Syrian Kurds would "not rally around the extremist tendencies of the PKK," according to a cable later published by WikiLeaks. But in fact, both the PKK's "libertarian socialist" ideology and actual PKK veterans held enormous influence over the Syrian Kurdish rebellion.

By 2018, Turkey was extremely unhappy with the growing power of the SDF, which it saw as an extension of the PKK. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan got Trump on the phone to complain about it in December 2018. Trump, eager to fulfill a campaign promise to bring American troops home, agreed to pull U.S. forces out of Syria, which would leave Turkey free to invade.

That decision set off a bomb within the administration. Many officials felt blindsided by the sudden announcement and anxious about "betraying" the SDF to Turkey. McGurk quit in frustration. So did Secretary of Defense James Mattis.

Bolton, Pompeo, Jeffrey, and Rayburn stayed, however. The Iran hawks were now in full control.

The hawks began to work on an agreement called the "safe zone," a project to let everyone have a cake and eat it, too. The deal would bring Turkish troops into northern Syria as part of an international peacekeeping force, which could push the Kurdish YPG away from the border. American forces would stay in the short term to help implement the plan.

"While we played this string out, or developed a better idea, which might take months, we had a good argument for maintaining U.S. forces," Bolton later wrote in his memoir. He added that he had hoped an "orderly transfer of power" from U.S. forces to Turkish troops would prevent Assad, Iran, and Russia from retaking northeastern Syria.

Turkey and the United States finally agreed to a deal in August 2019, and the SDF coalition dismantled its fortifications along the border with Turkey.

Trump's advisers were hoping they could keep U.S. forces in Syria to fight Assad without angering Turkey—all while appearing to bring American troops home. Bolton wrote in his memoir that he was "deliberately vague" to both Trump and the media when it came to the number of Americans that would be necessary to implement the safe zone.

In an interview he gave to DefenseOne shortly after resigning from the State Department following the 2020 election, Jeffrey admitted that he had been "playing shell games to not make clear to our leadership how many troops we had there." As part of that effort, U.S. military leaders and Bolton pushed to count U.S. forces at Al-Tanf, a remote desert base far from the SDF-controlled zone, separately from the rest of the U.S. deployment to Syria.

Trump wanted out of Syria, but instead of organizing an orderly withdrawal, his advisers tried to take the fight against Assad out of the public eye.

As part of an effort to resurrect the anti-Assad rebellion, Trump administration officials had pushed the SDF to work with Turkish-backed Islamists against Assad. The effort didn't go well. In one tense September 2019 meeting, according to a report from The National Interest, Rayburn screamed and broke a writing utensil in frustration after Syrian Kurdish officials refused to join forces with the Islamic hardliners.

Erdoğan, meanwhile, was publicly agitating to expand the safe zone. He got his wish and more during an October 6, 2019, call with Trump, when the U.S. president gave him a green light to invade Syria outright. It remains unknown what exactly the two leaders said, but the White House announced immediately afterward that "Turkey will soon be moving forward with its long-planned operation into Northern Syria."

American forces had dismantled the SDF's anti-tank fortifications as part of the safe zone deal two months earlier, rendering the Syrian Kurds defenseless. Now the United States was ushering in Turkish tanks and Turkish-backed militants.

Over 100,000 Syrians fled the invasion. They had seen the same forces unleash chaos, mayhem, and ethnic violence on Afrin a year earlier.

"I've met numerous people who were displaced when Turkey invaded in October [2019] and personally blame Trump," writes Amy Austin Holmes, a fellow at the Woodrow Wilson -International Center for Scholars, from Syria.

The Trump administration was willing to allow Turkey to invade northern Syria. But the administration did not want the Syrian Kurds to turn to Russia, Iran, and the Assad regime for help, which would undo years of efforts to roll back the influence of Assad and his allies. U.S. policy, in other words, was not only to refuse to protect the Kurds but also to deny them protection from others.

A U.S. diplomat tried to convince SDF leader Mazloum Abdi to hold off on asking Russia to step in. Turkish forces were only going to move 30 kilometers into Syria and the invasion would stop after that, he claimed.

The Kurdish general was not having it. "You will not protect us and you won't let anyone else protect us. Your presence has turned everyone else in Syria against us," Abdi responded, according to a U.S. diplomatic cable leaked to CNN. "Either you stop this bombing [by Turkey] on our people now, or move aside so we can let in the Russians."

The SDF signed a "memorandum of understanding" with the Assad regime soon after, allowing Assad's troops to join the fight against the Turkish invasion. Russia and Turkey then agreed to a safe zone of their own—along the same lines as the U.S. proposal—and the Syrian Kurds watched as Russian troops moved into their region as protection against the Turkish Army.

The Trump administration had managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Instead of planning for an orderly U.S. withdrawal and encouraging the Syrian Kurds to negotiate a peace deal with other factions in the country, Trump's advisers tried to use the SDF to continue their anti-Assad campaign. Their efforts ended not with a Kurdish-led rebellion against Assad but with the Kurds looking to Assad and his allies to shield them from their archrival Turkey.

'Take the Oil'

Trump's pullout of Americans from Syria following his deal with Erdoğan was short-lived. U.S. troops eventually moved back in, including to areas near the Turkish border now guarded by the Russians. Trump repeatedly claimed that their mission was to "take the oil" or guard the "oil region."

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R–S.C.) and other hawks had used the promise of oil profits to sell Trump on their plans to keep U.S. forces in the region, according to Mouaz Moustafa, executive director of the Syrian Emergency Task Force, which lobbies for the Syrian opposition in Washington.

"If you want to feed the baby medicine, you put the medicine in candy or something. That's what happened with the oil," Moustafa told me in November 2019. "It's like, 'Oh, you want to take the oil? Yeah, take the oil. We've got to take the oil.' So that ended up becoming the reason that he would keep anyone there."

The actual oil in the region is not worth much. Syrian petroleum production was falling even before the civil war, and the Islamic State at its peak only made about $1.5 million per day from Deir al-Zor's wells.

But its location is important. Deir al-Zor lies right along the line of contact between the SDF and the Assad regime. By holding that "oil region" as well as the U.S. base at Al-Tanf, U.S. forces can surround Iran's military supply lines on two different sides. This makes Iranian forces in Syria vulnerable to an attack by U.S. forces or allies.

Assad is also sensitive about the oil, as his regime has had trouble meeting its people's fuel needs. Russian mercenaries attacked the SDF on Assad's behalf in February 2018 to try (unsuccessfully) to take the oil fields in Deir al-Zor.

To make matters more complicated, foreign companies are forbidden from dealing with the oil under European and U.S. economic sanctions. So the Syrian Kurdish oil ministry has been forced to rely on smugglers, whose leaky storage tanks and backyard refineries have become a serious threat to public health.

The situation looked as if it could change in April 2020, when the U.S. Treasury Department issued a special sanctions exemption to a little-known company called Delta Crescent Energy. Jeffrey and Rayburn then met with politicians in neighboring Iraqi Kurdistan to discuss opening a route for Delta Crescent Energy to export the oil, The New Republic later reported.

Graham and Pompeo finally went public with those discussions during a Senate hearing in July 2020. "I talked to General Mazloum yesterday, with the SDF," Graham said. "Apparently they've signed a deal with an American oil company to modernize the oil fields in northeastern Syria. Are you supportive of that?"

"We are," Pompeo responded. "The deal took a little longer, senator, than we had hoped, and now we're in implementation."

Delta Crescent Energy partner James Cain told Politico that the company's goal was "to get the production back up to where it was before the civil war and sanctions." But there was a problem: The Syrian Kurds, who control that land, were not completely on board. Ahed Al Hendi, a Syrian-American activist who works with the SDF, called Pompeo's announcement premature. Abed Hamed al-Mehbash, the Arab co-chairman of the SDF's civilian administration, told local media only that he planned to "study requests by many Russian and American companies."

Mazloum Abdi, the Kurdish general, later confirmed to Al-Monitor that Delta Crescent Energy was involved in northeastern Syria but said that talks were "advancing slowly."

The SDF knew that announcing an oil deal with America—and no one else—would be provocative. Indeed, it has been. Assad's foreign ministry quickly denounced the agreement as a scheme to "steal Syria's oil" and "an assault against Syria's sovereignty."

In August 2020, an Iranian-backed militia fired rockets at a U.S.-controlled oil field in Syria. That same week, pro-Assad gunmen got into a shootout with U.S. troops at a checkpoint in Qamishli, near the Turkish border.

The week after, a Russian armored truck rammed into a U.S. humvee, injuring at least four Americans. Russian and U.S. troops in Syria had seen tense encounters with each other before, but this was the first violent clash between the two armies.

Russia and Iran did not tie the clashes directly to the oil deal, but the message was clear: A more entrenched U.S. presence in Syria would meet harder resistance.

According to a September 2020 report by Eva Kahan at the Institute for the Study of War, Russia, Iran, and Turkey have also been secretly backing Arab insurgents against the SDF in Deir al-Zor. Russia hopes to use the instability "to compel senior SDF leadership to accept a new deal in Syria that constrains U.S. forces or ejects them," Kahan wrote. In other words, the continued U.S. presence has induced Russia to play good-cop, bad-cop with the Kurds.

Several local leaders have already died in mysterious shootings. In response to the violence, U.S. forces have beefed up their presence in Syria, deploying Bradley Fighting Vehicles and advanced radar systems in September.

One bad decision after another has led to the current situation. The failed U.S. effort to take out Assad helped open the space for the Islamic State, which was only defeated when the U.S. pivoted to supporting Kurdish forces. Instead of allowing the Kurds to consolidate their gains and negotiate with Assad, the U.S. tried to use them as proxies against Assad and to make a quick buck from their oil. The situation has angered both Turkey and Assad's allies, causing them to set aside their differences and turn their sights on pushing out the U.S. presence.

National security officials kept pushing grandiose goals even as U.S. leverage crumbled away. "This isn't a quagmire," Jeffrey said at a May 2020 event at the Hudson Institute. "My job is to make it a quagmire for the Russians." He later praised "the stalemate we've put together" as "a step forward" in the region.

As Rayburn explained at a June 2020 event hosted by the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, Trump officials think they can use sanctions to "deny the [Assad] regime access to international financial markets until a political solution can be reached." Pro-Assad and opposition negotiators have been meeting in Geneva to work on a new Syrian constitution, although the SDF and the Kurds have never been included in those talks.

But Ford—the former U.S. envoy who learned the hard way that Iran and Russia were unlikely to abandon their interests in Syria—is skeptical that U.S. economic sanctions will be enough to pressure Assad into accepting anything. "I think we are trying to do something with tools that will not deliver the results we want," he says. "They can sanction the hell out of the Assad government. He doesn't give a shit about his people!"

Syrians have faced massive inflation, fuel shortages, and breadlines over the past few months, in addition to a spiralling coronavirus crisis. (A banking crisis in nearby Lebanon is partially to blame for their woes.) But the U.S. is unlikely to lift the economic pressure: Congress passed even more sanctions aimed at deterring foreign reconstruction investment under the Caesar Syria Civilian Protection Act of 2019.

The Biden administration may not change other aspects of the strategy, either.

Antony Blinken, the president-elect's nominee for secretary of state, gave a speech to the Meridian Group in May 2020 outlining his approach toward Syria. "Any of us—and I start with myself—who had any responsibility for our Syria policy in the last administration has to acknowledge that we failed," he said. "We failed to prevent horrific loss of life. We failed to prevent massive displacement of people, internally in Syria and of course externally as refugees. It's something that I will take with me for the rest of my days."

And yet his prescription was more of the same.

Blinken claimed that the United States still has "points of leverage," including troops on the ground near oil-rich regions and the ability to marshall resources for Syria's reconstruction, that could lead to better outcomes next time around. He argued that U.S. leaders should demand "some kind of political transition that reflects the desires of the Syrian people" and said that it was "virtually impossible" to imagine normalizing relations with Assad's government.

Hof, another Obama administration alum, believes that the United States can turn the SDF-held zone into "an attractive alternative to Assad" for all Syrians. U.S. diplomats could push for this new government to take over Syria's seat at the United Nations while U.S. forces stay to carry out a "stabilization" mission and "keep the Iranians and the regime and the Russians out." ("We also have the ability to respond militarily to the regime with great effect and force if it resumes a program of mass civilian homicide," Hof says. "We can do a lot of damage with cruise missiles.")

But Ford wants America to focus on the "only really useful things we can do" at this point: to help refugees fleeing the civil war and to "negotiate with the Russians some kind of deal" that would allow the Kurds to govern themselves in peace.

Ford has recently taken a liking to the writing of Robert McNamara, the U.S. secretary of defense during the Vietnam War who later became a critic of the war effort. "Vietnam was a problem that ultimately we could not fix," Ford says. "That's kind of where I'm at with Syria right now."

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  1. Or Afghanistan ,or Iraq, or Europe, or Japan, or South Korea, or Africa or………

    1. There are two major stories deliberately missing from this article.

      1. The peace deal signed with the Taliban. The war in Afghanistan ended in February after eighteen years.

      2. On July 1, 2020, the Democrats (and Liz Cheney) passed a National Defense Authorization Act amendment stopping Trump from withdrawing U.S. troops from places like Afghanistan, Germany and Syria.

      Can one of our paid minders here explain why the purposeful omission of such key facts from the article, particularly in light of all the hearsay and supposition included, isn’t gaslighting?
      WK or Jeff maybe?

      1. No kidding. It’s Pravda these days.

      2. “The peace deal signed with the Taliban. ”

        The Nazis surrendered over 70 years ago. American troops are still there. It makes sense having troops in a country we’re at war with. Otherwise, not.

        “Can one of our paid minders here explain why the purposeful omission of such key facts from the article”

        My advice: send an email to the editor responsible. If you really want an answer, send an actual letter, typed or handwritten, and use your real name rather than Mother’s Lament. That way you won’t be mistaken for a crank and ignored. No guarantees, though.

        1. I’m sorry you’re upset that your boo is gettong mocked.

          1. I don’t mind my boo gettong mocked. I do mind tens of thousands of troops scattered around the globe when they could be home, perhaps even doing something useful.

            1. I’m sorry you got more upset when I told you I was sorry your boo is getting mocked.

              1. “I was sorry your boo is getting mocked”

                If you’re determined to apologize, you should be sorry about the ‘gettong.’

                1. No one really cares to apologize to you. You should be apologizing to us.

                  1. He would lie about his apology too. Like everything else.

                    1. Forget about this Syria stuff. Let’s talk more about me.

                    2. I’m sorry you’re upset that everyone is laughing at you.

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        2. By paid minders I was talking about the fifty-centers posting in the comments. Not the JournoListers posting the articles.

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              1. I’m sorry you feel driven to endlessly repeat your empty apologies.

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  2. We can distill this article succinctly.

    – POTUS Obama made a terrible strategic policy decision. Surprise!
    – POTUS Trump was handed this Obama shitburger, and improved it marginally
    – There are fewer troops in Syria today than four years ago
    – ISIS is history, and we did manage to slaughter a huge number of Russian mercenaries
    – And we have the Abraham Accords that remove some impediments to dealing with Iran

    Does anyone think POTUS Biden is going to do better?

    We need to leave Syria immediately. Preferably, by January 19th.

    1. Actually it comes down to this line.

      “He hasn’t been able to bring American troops home, because his own bureaucracy resists him,” says Aaron Stein, director of research at the Foreign Policy Research Institute.

      The media and the left cheered on an active resistance in government under Trump. They created a deep state that would argue and fight against the president ultimately ending in an impeachment when one of them disagreed with the call under Vindman. This was actively cheered for 4 years. And they have the gumption to cry sedition over court lawsuits and protests.

      1. This. And theyre still trying to impeach him over nothing again. Man this country is fucked.

        1. Trying to overthrow democracy, and replace it with a mob-ocracy, is “nothing”?

          1. Show us where Trump invited the riots. He told his crowd to “cheer on our Senators” which is hardly orders to assault the Capitol. Of course those with TDS think everything is a dog whistle. OK?…

            …oh, wait, OK is a dog whistle, too!!

            1. The essence of the Trumpian Big Lie is simple: ANY election LOST by Trump (Who can NEVER be a “loser” In His Own Precious Mind and Ego) MUST have been fraudulent! Literally! And He has been telling this Big Lie for a LONG time! And then we feign surprise and disgust (or worse, agreement), when His Supporters BELIEVE His Big Lies? And riot?

              HERE are the lies being told NOW, STILL, to right-wing nut-jobs, in hopes of stirring up “Pizza-Gate Part II”!
              A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses
              Essential heart and core of the LIE by Trump: “ANY election results not confirming MEEE as Your Emperor, MUST be fraudulent!”
              September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.

              1. You didnt answer his question.

                1. “Show us where Trump invited the riots.”

                  I just did, douchebag! Trump invited the riots for MONTHS by CONSTANTLY telling the Big Lie: “ANY election results not confirming MEEE as Your Emperor, MUST be fraudulent!”

                  Can you READ, ideologically blinded fool?

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                  2. No, repeating your handlers’ political interpretations isn’t showing where he invited riots. And then you have the impudence to put your own spin in quotes. Have you ever argued a point without your buddy the straw man at your side?

                      A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses

                      September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.

                      Der TrumpfenFuhrer can NOT accept the He is a LOSER! So He called for His pipe and He called for His bowl, He called for His pipers 3… And He called for an insurrection! And the Trumpanzees obeyed!

                    2. Sarcasmic has not. So his sock doesn’t either.

            2. Incited by the President, Pro-Trump Rioters Violently Storm the Capitol

              “If you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore,” Trump had told the crowd, urging them to head to the Capitol. By nightfall, 4 people were dead, and offices throughout the Capitol were trashed by the angry rampage, with lawmakers forced to barricade themselves in the House debating chamber or sheltering in their offices.


              1. If you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore

                That is incitement to riot? Are you serious?

                1. Fuck yes!

                  When you tell an armed angry mob to go “fight like hell” to save their country you are lighting the fuse to overthrow and insurrection.

                  1. They were not armed.

                    And if fight like hell is inciting a riot what was ABC news calling for trump supporters to be cleansed? Or Aoc tweeting last summer that protests are supposed to make people feel uncomfortable? Or Chris quomo asking last summer “since when are protests supposed to be peaceful?”. Or Maxine waters calling on her supporters to harass and assault trump.
                    Followers 2 years ago?

                    1. They were not armed

                      Sqrlsy/sarcasmic just can’t stop lying.

                    2. What you don’t understand is that when anyone on the left says it, it’s obviously to rally people to a righteous cause and any suggestion that it means to burn stuff and kill people is just silly, even if they’ve been already been burning stuff and killing people and continue to do so.

                      However, when a non-leftist uses the word fight, they obviously mean it in the most horrific way possible, maybe even nuclear war. Tell your lawyer to fight a lawsuit, and you’re obviously inviting him to grab a MAC-10 and shoot up a courtroom.

                      Seriously, this is how far the leftist debate position has sunk. We need a new word to define hyperbole that the left concocts, feeds to the masses, and chants over and over till they start to believe their own propaganda.

                    3. “We need a new word to define hyperbole that the left concocts, feeds to the masses, and chants over and over till they start to believe their own propaganda.”

                      It’s two words, Bluwater, but let’s go with the classics: Große Lüge.

                      Incidentally, prosecute the living shit out of the people who beat down that Capitol officer with, among other things, a flagpole. The Capitol should have surveillance cameras on top of their surveillance cameras there. It would be nice to see the complete footage from them.

                    4. The most relevant Große Lüge (Big Lie) is right below:

                      A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses

                      September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.

                      And the Trumpanzees believed! And they obeyed The Donald, and they tried to have an insurrection, to reverse the “steal”! It was a steal… Because Der TrumpfenFuhrer said so!

                    5. I’m sorry you’re upset that none of that is incitement and that you told us your mom fucks moose.

                  2. When you tell an armed angry mob to go “fight like hell” to save their country you are lighting the fuse to overthrow and insurrection.

                    Bullshit. A more accurate interpretation (meaning, taking his speech in context) is POTUS Trump exhorted the crowd to fully participate in civil society, which would include the right to petition the government for redress of grievance, and to protest peacefully. I saw a ‘mostly peaceful’ protest of hundreds of thousands of people exercising their 1A rights.

                    The Capitol building trespassers who broke windows or damaged property? Throw the book at them. The protesters milling around taking selfies? BFD. A court date and a nominal fine. The guy who took a selfie sitting at Pelosi’s desk? Give him a medal. 🙂 (just kidding…a fine would work here)

                    We do know however, with absolute certainty, that the Capitol police managed to shoot and kill and unarmed female protester who presented no threat to anyone.

                  3. “Fight for your rights”


                    Does that mean the aclu intends to use violence and force? Of course not, its used to imply the aclu will struggle against your opponents. It implies actions. Work you like more examples to disprove your bullshit. Trump is clearly implying that if people dont voice their opinions and stand up to this then theyll lose what they have or want. If you have a problem with the violence then blame only those who actually destoyred property or harmed someone.

                  4. Whatever happened to Sarah Palin ?

                    1. I dont know, what about her?

                    2. She aged badly.

                  5. What we’ve got to do is fight in Congress, fight in the courts, fight in the streets, fight online, fight at the ballot box, and now there’s the momentum to be able to do this. And we’re not afraid of the popular outcry, we’re energized by it and that’s going to help us do our job and do it better.

                    They’ve marched, they’ve bled and yes, some of them died. This is hard. Every good thing is. We have done this before. We can do this again.

                    This is as much about public outcry, organizing and mobilizing and applying pressure… There needs to be unrest in the streets for as long as there’s unrest in our lives

                    That Scott down there that’s running for governor of Florida. Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him.

                    Cheney deserves same final end he gave Saddam. Hope there are cell cams.

                    May your children all die from debilitating, painful and incurable diseases.

                    “I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face

                    Let’s make sure we show up wherever we have to show up. And if you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.

                    Please, get up in the face of some congresspeople

                  6. Hurr show me where it says protests have to be peaceful? derp durrrrr

                    1. “derp durrrrr”, says the derp-durrrrr-head.

                      Now THAT is a persuasive argument!

                    2. Fuck off sarcasmic

                    3. Sqrlsy you ignorant twat.
                      Smits was quoting AOC.

                    4. AOC said derp durrrrr? Can you please provide a link?

                      Grade schoolers can do this! So I say, not just derp durrrrr, but also, nanny-nanny-boo-boo, booga-balooga, and snot-nose! So there! SEE how smart am?

                    5. Those are mock-retard noises. We use those when we’re making fun of people like you who talk like retards. Observe:

                      Hurr durr DerTrumpenfuhrer hurr derp durrr

                  7. “Sarah Palin’s Buttplug 2
                    January.10.2021 at 9:58 am
                    Fuck yes”

                    Then you’ve incited riots many times. When are you turning yourself in?

                  8. Do you want quotes from democrats telling their constituents to fight? Or just go straight to Obama telling democrats to bring a gun to a knife foght?

            3. What other president do you know of after he lost the election, his supporters went bonkers in DC and the Capitol?

              1. “supporters”

                So not him

          2. You dont get to blame Trump for the actions of others. Unless Trump physically was forcing those people to go there and do that, which he wasnt, then those that showed up and actually destroyed or harmed something are liable. I dont care what caselaw says, Trump’s words= actions of others. People get to make choices and are responsible for their own actions.

            1. “Trump’s words don’t =” some days man

            2. “You dont (sic don’t) get to blame Trump for the actions of others.”

              So Trump can command (with “mere words”) Captain Sir Dude Sir Air Force Fighter Pilot Sir-Dude to go and bomb Nancy Pelosi’s house? And then the bombs can be purely blamed on Captain Sir Dude Sir? Do you NOT expect MORE from a Commander in Chief? Or only if it is an “R” POTUS?

              1. I guess you really are this stupid. Theres a difference between orders in a public capacity to those in government vs talking to private citizens. Did trump command the government workers to raid the capital? No. He was talking about private individuals of their own choices. There was no order from the president and the citizens were there of their own choice. No blame on Trumps part.

                  A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses
                  Essential heart and core of the LIE by Trump: “ANY election results not confirming MEEE as Your Emperor, MUST be fraudulent!”
                  September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.

                  And Now The Donald is UTTERLY blameless for people believing His Lies, and reacting with violence? I call bullshit! There IS blame to be put on The Donald, fair and square!


                  2. People are free to believe what they want. Who committed the violence? Trump? Nope. Then you blame the one who committed the violence. We are responsible for our own actions unless someone uses force to compel us to.

                    1. Trump’s constant re-telling and supporting the Big Lie (any election not electing Trump is stolen) set up the environment for this to happen. He shares the blame. Boys will be boys? Insurrectionists will be insurrectionists, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Trump was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?

                      It really should immediately make us think of Krystalnacht. Hitler and the NAZIs set up for this by constantly blaming Jews for all things bad. Jew-haters will be Jew-haters, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Hitler was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?

              2. On a side note, I dont expect much from any president. Thats why i mostly consider myself a libertarian. Because govt is mostly useless and corrupt no matter who runs it.

          3. “Trying to overthrow democracy, and replace it with a mob-ocracy

            Can you or Jeff explain why when Nancy Pelosi called for “uprisings” against the Trump administration in 2017 it wasn’t trying to overthrow democracy?

            How about when she called for uprisings in 2018? Here she is on C-Span doing just that:

            Oh, you only want to talk about recent seditious acts? Not two years ago because they no longer count because reasons? Just ones in the last week count?

            Pelosi called the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on Thursday about “preventing the president from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes.”
            The New York Times reported that Defense Department officials have since expressed anger that she was trying to get the Pentagon to do the work of Congress, who have legal options to remove a president.
            Trump, they noted, is still the commander in chief, and unless he is removed, the military is bound to follow his lawful orders. While military officials can refuse to carry out orders they view as illegal, they cannot proactively remove the president from the chain of command.
            That would be a military coup, they told the New York Times.

            Trying to incite a military coup is sedition, Sqrlsy.

            1. “…they cannot proactively remove the president from the chain of command.”

              True. And Nancy never asked them to do that, Oh Stable Genius Junior!

              Arguing with your strawmen inside your head again? Who is winning? What is the prize to be won? If you win, will they let you loose again? Who decides if you have won?

              1. Here’s the New York Times (of all fucking places) reporting exactly that:

                Word-for-word, Sqrlsy. I copied what they wrote.

                Now what do you say?

                1. “Pelosi threatens House could move to impeach Trump if he doesn’t resign ‘immediately.’”

                  The House can do that PER THE USA CONSTITUTION, ignoramus Canuckistani! And WHERE did this article say that Nancy asked Pentagon generals to “proactively remove the president from the chain of command”?

                  In your head, Nancy asked them to do that! She double-checked to make sure that the generals are NOT going to follow illegal orders, and start WW III! Do you think that Canuckistanistanistanistan is going to somehow escape the dire effects of a nuclear WW III? You roasting weenies up there, preparing to watch some “glorious” fireworks? You know, YOUR weenie might get roasted, too!

                  1. “And WHERE did this article say that Nancy asked Pentagon generals to “proactively remove the president from the chain of command”?”

                    It’s in paragraph 10, you illiterate retard.

                    1. I know how to copy and paste, lazy bastard! HERE it is:

                      “Mr. Trump, they noted, is still the commander in chief, and unless he is removed, the military is bound to follow his lawful orders. While military officials can refuse to carry out orders they view as illegal, they cannot proactively remove the president from the chain of command. That would be a military coup, these officials said.”

                      Now… WHERE did Nancy ask them to “proactively remove the president from the chain of command”?

                      I say, I can NOT legally go shoot the Lizard Men, except in self-defense. I say, I can NOT legally murder the Lizard Men, even if Momma asks me to.

                      OK, I guess that PROVES that Momma asked me to murder the Lizard Men!

                      WHERE did you go to stupid-school?

                    2. ahahahahah sarcasmic you said your mom fucks moose ahahahahaajaj

                2. Now he’ll post a wall of irrelevant copy-pasted text because he’s a mentally ill piece of shit.

                  Daily reminder that Sqrsly is one of sarcasmic’s many sockpuppet accounts that he accidentally outed in one of his daily drunken stupors. sarcasmic rapes his underage daughter.

                  1. Question for you: Are all right-wing nut-jobs liars, or only the stupidest ones?

                    1. Fuck off sarcasmic

                    2. You should hardly be calling others here stupid, sarcasmic. You should be trolling the kids on 9gag who are closer to your intellectual stature.

                    3. sarc on 9gag? Only if /r/latestagecapitalism is down and there’s no reruns of 2008 episodes of The Daily Show on Nick at Nite.

                3. Read the article you illiterate retard:

                  “Ms. Pelosi said she had spoken with Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, about “preventing Trump from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes.”

                  A spokesman for General Milley, Col. Dave Butler, confirmed that the two had spoken and said the general had “answered her questions regarding the process of nuclear command authority.”

                  But Defense Department officials have expressed anger that political leaders seemed to be trying to get the Pentagon to do the work of Congress and Cabinet secretaries, who have legal options to remove a president.

                  Mr. Trump, they noted, is still the commander in chief, and unless he is removed, the military is bound to follow his lawful orders. While military officials can refuse to carry out orders they view as illegal, they cannot proactively remove the president from the chain of command. That would be a military coup, these officials said.”

                  1. I say, I can NOT legally go shoot the Lizard Men, except maybe in self-defense. I say, I can NOT legally murder the Lizard Men, even if Momma asks me to.

                    OK, I guess that PROVES that Momma asked me to murder the Lizard Men!

                    WHERE did you go to stupid-school? WHY do you keep on asking me to MURDER the Lizard Men?

                    1. Ahahaahha you told us your mom fucks moose ahahahahaha

            2. PS, I don’t support Nancy in everything she does and says. Never did, never will (unless she becomes a Perfect Being, like YOU… In Your Own Mind, at least!).

              Have you condemned the doings of Attila the Hun lately? If not, you must be in favor of sedition and mob-ocracy!

              1. Oh? I didn’t realize that long dead Attila the Hun was House leader.
                Nice attempt at false equivalancy… Oh wait no. That was actually retarded.

                1. Hey isn’t it weird that he took a sentence directly typed by sarcasmic and changed the nouns? I guess that’s better than actually just copying and pasting the exact same 4 paragraph post because you’re drunk and forget which sock you’re on.

                  1. Wow, what clever wit! Did your mommy help you write that?

                    1. You’re proving his point, sarc.

                    2. While yours was busy fucking moose ahahahahhahaaja

                2. Here’s a less-long-dead hero of yours…

                  WHEN did you last condemn the doings of Anthony Quinn and his Lizard Men, Momma?


                  Since you did NOT recently condemn Anthony Quinn and him blowing up himself, his dog, and the properties of others, then you MUST be supporting him, right?

                  THAT is directly equivalent, what I did above, to YOU lecturing ME about what Nancy Pelosi SUPPOSEDLY did! Some Pentagon folks are (justifiably IMHO) pissed at her for (a wee tad) trying to get THEM to do HER (and Congress’s) dirty work. But… If she literally asked the Pentagon to depose the POTUS… I’d like a link, please.

                  “Trying to incite a military coup is sedition, Sqrlsy.”

                  Supporting Anthony Quinn and his Lizard Men is EVIL, Momma!

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                      THERE, YA HAPPY NOW?

                    2. Youd make everybody happy if you left this website.

                    3. His sockpuppeting is really out of control and ruins any chance at real discussion.

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                    5. Take it easy on SQLRSY, he just told us his mom fucks moose.

                    6. @Ksj4ow
                      That’s the point. Just like DOL’s “White Knight”, sarcasmic’s Sqrlsy sock is for shitposting in order to derail threads.

                    7. Flag refresh.

              2. “Have you condemned the doings of Attila the Hun”

                Nancy’s crimes still fall within the statue of limitations. Everything you say is stupid.

                1. Well, his mom fucks moose. That’s probably why he’s like that.

            3. “initiating miliyary hostilities” the left wanted that so bad to try to push their Trump is hitler bullshit, but you really have to appreciate how trump fucked with their head for the last four years and made them scream. Sad it all has to go away.

        2. You all need to come to the realization that some very unpleasant things will need to happen to save our constitutional republic. There are too many leftist operatives. The number needs to be reduced to a manageable level.

          1. ^THIS EXACTLY..

      2. Yep. The obligatory TDS headline is directly contradicted by the article at least in terms of Trump’s intentions. To be fair Trump fucked up big time when he hired Bolton. But as the article illustrates Trump’s goal was always to withdraw from foreign entanglements and he was opposed at every step from within and without. People who actually give a shit like Greenwald on the left and Rand Paul on right realized that, whatever his flaws, Trump was our best hope for something like peace. It’s a big deal to me. Reason from the beginning and to this day have tacitly supported the War Party. They have supported violations of the NAP on a global scale.

    2. Trump’s wars in Syria and Yemen* are two more foreign policy failures of his.

      * = (using the Peanut standard that if you don’t leave a country it is the current presidents fault for that “war”. Applied to Obama in Afghanistan as well)

      1. Oh? Yemen and Libya and Syria were actions by Bush? I don’t think so, retard.
        Obama got the US involved in all sorts of new wars. Trump didn’t.

        If you’re going to try and gaslight us, try to do it without making historical claims, because you’re not very knowledgeable.

        1. Your reference to a flyover NATO bombing in Libya as an Obama “war” is proof of what a desperate nutcase you are.

          If that were true the Trump bombing of Soleimani was a “war” as well. In fact, Trump started a US led war in that case instead of a NATO exercise.

          1. Hold on.

            When American fighter jets and American troops participate in a weeks long attack on another countries military, IN THAT COUNTRY, it’s not a war?

            Go fuck your hat retard. You’re too stupid to try and play demagogue here.

          2. Soleimani wasn’t in Iran when he was killed. He was also listed as a terrorist for his work with Hezbollah, unlike the Libyan troops.
            It was an assassination, not a war you gibbering idiot.

          3. So you’re claiming that when Trump, as part of the war in Iraq, bombed Soleimani, who was in Iraq and was the commander of one of the military forces operating in Iraq, it was either:

            A) Not part of a war.
            B) Somehow the start of a new war.

            Seriously, do you post specifically to discredit Democrats?

            1. Ask him about the US citizen Obama droned on the way to a wedding.

          4. The “2” in your name is because you got banned for kiddie porn? Wow. Gross.

            1. He’s truly a sick fucking pedophile.

          5. Your reference to a flyover NATO bombing in Libya as an Obama “war” is proof of what a desperate nutcase you are.

            Boznia Herzogovina called. It said you’re a fucking idiot.

          6. You fuck children. Ideally you will be tortured to death.

    3. “Does anyone think POTUS Biden is going to do better?”

      No. Make that HELL NO. If he follows the advice of his VP-elect, we might be there another eight years… or longer..

      1. All the more reason to abruptly pull out now and announce it before 1/20/2021. If His Fraudulency would like to re-insert troops, go to Congress for a use of force resolution.

        1. A this point would the bureaucracy obey, and would the public even know?

          They seem to be in a frantic rush to shut down alternative news sources right now.
          I think by the end of next week a mass deplatforming will have occurred and the internet will look very different.

          1. “A this point would the bureaucracy obey, and would the public even know?”

            No, and mostly no.

          2. I’m in full agreement.

            The internet equivalent of Order 66 has been given.

            Kill all conservative voices under the guise of violating TOC.

      2. Yeah, but you’re a warmongering neocon piece of shit, cytotoxic. Have been since the Iraq war.

  3. Parler has now been kicked off Amazon’s AWS servers. Corporate authoritarian censorship is alive and well. This comes less than 24 hours after a letter from dozens of members of the DNC wrote to Bezos.

    Fuck everyone agreeing with this corporate censorship. Good little corporate fascists calling themselves globalists.

    To think the jokes made the last few years here about creating a new Twitter, web host, app store, phone, etc have all come true.

    1. Brandon Straka
      Leftists have engaged in a coordinated attack on my email. They signed up then mass reported me for spam. My email service is now shut down. My Facebook is shut down.
      You’re kidding yourselves if u think we’re not experiencing a cold civil war. We’re being attacked & slaughtered.

      Straka has never participated in violence. Antifa and BLM supporters have harassed and physically threatened him. He is a gay man who did nothing more than start the Democrat Walk Away campaign. Since he has been attacked by the left with homophobic slurs, had his life threatened to the point of needing police protection at times, and had his livelihood taken away.

      1. The democrats and their allies must be dealt with. Decisively.

    2. “This comes less than 24 hours after a letter from dozens of members of the DNC wrote to Bezos.”

      This is ONE political party using the (heavily implied) threat of Government Almighty! “Nice kneecaps ya got there, be a shame if something happened to them”.

      JesseBahnFuhrer would MUCH prefer if it was the “R” party doing the exact same thing! By, for example, threatening to tear down Section 230, which, for once, LIMITS the powers of Government Almighty!

      JesseBahnFuhrer is entirely too stupid to see that “what is good for the goose, is good for the gander”. JesseBahnFuhrer will be advocating piling more and more, and ever more, powers onto the desk of Der TrumfenFuhrer on January the 19th! No matter HOW many times you tell JesseBahnFuhrer that Der BidenFuhrer will then inherit those exact same powers, JesseBahnFuhrer will NOT listen or understand!

      1. Sqrsly, why do you lie? I have never called for censorship of anyone. Does your shit riddled brain require lies as a form of justification for your authoritarian impulses? You proudly support these actions. You think SV shouldn’t even have to honor contractual clauses with these companies if it means shutting down people you dislike.

        Youre a disgrace.

        1. YOU are the one who has ALWAYS advocated tearing down Section 230, which LIMITS Government Almighty powers! YOU are the authoritarian who wants to have Government Almighty (on your behalf) take over the properties (web sites) of others! And you can’t, or won’t, see that if YOU (and the “R” party) gets these kinds of “goodies”, so, then, sooner or later, will the “D” party also! Unless we get a one-party “R” dictatorshit, right? And THAT is what you REALLY want!

          You STILL have NOT refuted the below!

          A prime argument of enemies of Section 230 is, since the government does such a HUGE favor for owners of web sites, by PROTECTING web site owners from being sued (in the courts of Government Almighty) as a “publisher”, then this is an unfair treatment of web site owners! Who SHOULD (lacking “unfair” section 230 provisions) be able to get SUED for the writings of OTHER PEOPLE! And punished by Government Almighty, for disobeying any and all decrees from Government Almighty’s courts, after getting sued!

          In a nutshell: Government Almighty should be able to boss around your uses of your web site, because, after all, Government Almighty is “protecting” you… From Government Almighty!!!

          Wow, just THINK of what we could do with this logic! Government Almighty is “protecting” you from getting sued in matters concerning who you chose to date or marry… In matters concerning what line of work you chose… What you eat and drink… What you read… What you think… Therefore, Government Almighty should be able to boss you around on ALL of these matters, and more! The only limits are the imaginations and power-lusts of politicians!

          1. Section 230 doesn’t limit anything retarded fuck. It provides extra legal protections for a company. You don’t even understand the basics for your argument. You’re as fucking retarded as the net neutrality will end the internet people.

            I like how you defend censorship from companies, good rationalization from a shit riddled brain.

            Now bring up the contractual issues.

            Your rationalization of fascism is fascinating to watch. Government is working hand in hand with these groups, especially the DNC. You don’t give two fucks if your freedoms are affected because you have a way to claim it isn’t government despite the overwhelming fact it is. These companies get billions in contracts, Amazon especially.

            And you continue to ignore the fact that Parler has not even violated the ToS or contract set up with AWS. Based on Amazon’s statement they would also have to shut down Twitter and Facebook as both continue to leave calls for violence and protestations in support of liberal causes such as BLM.

            So fuck your fake sanctimony. All you’re actually doing is rationalizing vindictive authoritarianism because of your own personal politics.

            1. “Section 230 doesn’t limit anything retarded fuck. It provides extra legal protections for a company.”

              What planet are you from?

              Section 230 limits (outlaws) your ability to sue me for what OTHER people wrote, on MY web site! And you want to justify punishing one party for the doings of another?

              This is what I wrote:

              In a nutshell: Government Almighty should be able to boss around your uses of your web site, because, after all, Government Almighty is “protecting” you… From Government Almighty!!!

              You didn’t even address my central concern, which you are apparently too thick-headed to understand and address. You just keep spouting the same old lies, over and over and over again.

              And you write:

              “It provides extra legal protections for a company.”

              You might want to come up with some NEW lies one of these days, thick-headed liar! Are you part of the mob? Do you go around offering small businesses some “protection” from yourself, perhaps?

              1. Actually Jesse has it right and you’re wrong.

                1. Do you recall the awesome enchanter named “Tim”, in “Monty Python and the Search for the Holy Grail”? The one who could “summon fire without flint or tinder”? Well, you remind me of Tim… You are an enchanter who can summon persuasion without facts or logic!

                  So I discussed your awesome talents with some dear personal friends on the Reason staff… Accordingly…

                  Reason staff has asked me to convey the following message to you:

                  Hi Fantastically Talented Author:

                  Obviously, you are a silver-tongued orator, and you also know how to translate your spectacular talents to the written word! We at Reason have need for writers like you, who have near-magical persuasive powers, without having to write at great, tedious length, or resorting to boring facts and citations.

                  At Reason, we pay above-market-band salaries to permanent staff, or above-market-band per-word-based fees to freelancers, at your choice. To both permanent staff, and to free-lancers, we provide excellent health, dental, and vision benefits. We also provide FREE unlimited access to nubile young groupies, although we do firmly stipulate that persuasion, not coercion, MUST be applied when taking advantage of said nubile young groupies.

                  Please send your resume, and another sample of your writings, along with your salary or fee demands, to .

                  Thank You! -Reason Staff

                  1. Sqrls always drags out his “Tim” copypasta when he’s flustered. It’s his retarded equivalent of a White Flag.

                    1. sarcasmic is the epitome of a reddit boomer. He thinks his 30 years out of date pop culture references are always relevant and always funny. See also his Mean Girls and Jon Stewart shit every single fucking day.

                    2. Q: What’s the difference between a good (genuinely funny) joke, and Jimmy Smits?

                      A: One is a shift of wit. The other is a wift of Smits-shits!

                    3. So you want to eat him?

                    4. Hahaha because squirrel eats shit.

                    5. Some folks are intelligent, well-informed, and benevolent enough to competently discus ethics, morality, and politics. Others? They literally know how to talk shit, and little if anything else!

                    6. All of the sophisticated public intellectuals post the same 10 paragraph copypasta 10-15 times per day in multiple threads on a poorly trafficked center-left blog, make non-stop scatological references, and unironically pepper their posts with terms like DerTrumpenfuhrer. These are things that a person interested in a serious discussion of public policy do.

                  2. SQRLSY, you have been corrected. Apologize and go away.


              2. Sorry Sqrlsy, either you’re trying to lie or you’ve misunderstood 230’s mechanisms.

                1. Sorry, Momma, butt.. That last time you fucked a moose? The moose knocked your tin-foil hat off-center! Check your alignment! I know a shade-tree mechanic, who will re-align your tin-foil hat, AND re-modulate the frequency adjustment on your oil-pan, for a mere $435, by the way!

                  1. Yeah, that didn’t make a lick of sense.

                    1. Momma NEVER EVER makes a lick of sense! Moose-fucking does that sort of thing to ya, ya know…

                    2. You mom fucks moose? That explains you.

                    3. He never does.

            2. “…the fact that Parler has not even violated the ToS or contract …”


              Amazon Is Booting Parler Off Of Its Web Hosting Service
              Amazon’s suspension of Parler’s account means that unless it can find another host, once the ban takes effect on Sunday Parler will go offline.

              From there:

              “Recently, we’ve seen a steady increase in this violent content on your website, all of which violates our terms,” the email reads. “It’s clear that Parler does not have an effective process to comply with the AWS terms of service.”

              JesseBahnFuhrer wants to define Amazon’s contractual clauses for Amazon! Amazon doing that for itself, with its own property, is NOT acceptable to JesseBahnFuhrer! ALL must OBEY Der JesseBahnFuhrer!!! Heil JesseBahnFuhrer!!!

              1. Pictures of trump beheaded are still on Twitter.

                Punch a nazi is still on Twitter.

                Hang mike Pence trended for 18 hours and no accounts using it were suspended.

                BLM calls for action are still up despite 200 riots, 25 deaths, and 2 billion in damage.

                This can go on and on.

                You ignore the contract issues. The contract terms as laid out are arbitrary and considered unconscionable.

                Just admit you are pro censorship shit eater. Even the ACLU has come put against this.

                Youre an authoritarian shit because The Atlantic tells you to be one.

                1. Does Twitter belong to Twitter? Or does Twitter belong to JesseBahnFuhrer? Its actually a VERY simple question!

                  1. You really can’t put forth any indigent argument can you?

                    God sarcasmic. What happened to you?

                  2. You really can’t answer a simple question, with a non-authoritarian answer, can you?

                    Does Twitter belong to Twitter? Or does Twitter belong to JesseBahnFuhrer? Its actually a VERY simple question!

                    1. It doesn’t matter who it belongs to. What matters is if they are a platform or a publisher. A distinction you’ve failed to recognize despite numerous word salads on the topic.

                      And it’s ommitions like that which make us all sure you’re retarded.

                    2. I hear this a LOT: Either you’re a publisher, or an impartial conduit of posts; you can NOT be both! Well, this is an authoritarian power-pig stance, no matter if you persuade 51% or 97% of your fellow authoritarians, or not! NO inflexible law of physics, chemistry, or yada-yada prohibits Section 230 to straddle the middle!

                      Let me draw an analogy to this black-and-white empty-headedness: Because I (and 51% of the voters) say that your teeth bacteria are either utterly evil, or are pure-white good and have souls, you must either: ‘1) Nuke your mouth once a day with ionizing radiation, or ‘2) you may brush your teeth, but if you do, you MUST find a good home for EVERY bacteria that you put out on the streets!

                      Colgate MUST decide, are they ruthless killers of ALL mouth bacteria, or are they enablers of goodness and kindness for good, soul-bearing bacteria! They may NOT straddle the middle, as enablers of free-will choices of the consumers, because I, and 51% or more of the voters, have said so!

                      Alternately, it can NOT, and dare NOT, be both a dessert topping, AND a floor wax… Because I said so!

                      Power-pig authoritarians all of ye!

                    3. Does Twitter belong to Twitter?

                      No, from everything we’ve seen in the last week, Twitter is an arm of the Democratic party and coordinates it’s affairs with elected officials.

                      Twitter is now a part of your “Guvmint Almighty” Sqrlsy, and should be treated accordingly.

                    4. Does Twitter belong to Twitter?

                      The courts have ruled it is an official communication channel of the US federal government and therefore the president cannot use its features to block people from following him on the platform. You tell me.

                    5. “The courts have ruled it is an official communication channel of the US federal government and therefore the president cannot use its features to block people from following him on the platform. You tell me.”

                      Look, self-styled genius, that was a limitation ON THE POTUS! A limitation on what the POTUS can do, as an elected official! That is SOMEHOW a wee tad DIFFERENT than Government Almighty telling Twitter what they can and cannot do with THEIR property! Do you need to study up, maybe, on what is meant by PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS? Or does EVERYTHING belong to Government Almighty? You know what? Maybe they could use more people like YOU, and your “thinking”, in North Korea!

                    6. “The courts have ruled that the POTUS is WAY out of line, when the POTUS uses Twitter to command Captain Air Force Fighter-Pilot Dude-Sir to go and bomb Nancy Pelosi’s house”.

                      God damn! See, I told you so! This PROVES that Government Almighty OWNS Twitter!

                      WHERE did you go to stupid-school, moron? We need better schools!

                    7. Fuck off sarcasmic

                    8. If the government can limit what a user can do on a PRIVATE platform is it actually PRIVATE you retarded child molesting alcoholic piece of shit? Twitter didn’t stop Trump from using the features of its platform. A court did. The United States government decided what features a PRIVATE account registered on a PRIVATE platform is allowed to use, on the basis that a PRIVATE platform is subject to the same rules and regulations as government communications when that PRIVATE platform hosts an account owned by a member of the government. Kinda sounds like Italian fascism. You know, the economic system you champion here literally every single day of your life in between sleeping off a bender and fucking your underage daughter?

                    9. “The United States government decided what features a PRIVATE account registered on a PRIVATE platform is allowed to use, on the basis that a PRIVATE platform is subject to the same rules and regulations as government communications when that PRIVATE platform hosts an account owned by a member of the government.”

                      Your word salad is mostly correct. It obscures your essential earlier LIE that implied that Government Almighty had taken over Twitter, because the courts ruled on what the POTUS can and cannot do on Twitter! The POTUS can’t go and make USA policy statements on Twitter… And then fence OUT of his communications there (about public policy matters), the people he doesn’t like! THAT was what that was all about!

                      Do you, or do you not, support Government Almighty bossing around private owners of web sites? Do you, or do you not, support Section 230, which LIMITS Government Almighty meddling? Are you, or are you not, a fan of Government Almighty bossing us around all day? Or only when Government Almighty is controlled by the “R” party?

                    10. Twitter hasn’t been “PRIVATE” for years, sarcasmic.

                  3. “You really can’t put forth any indigent argument can you?”

                    poor; needy.
                    “a charity for the relief of indigent artists”

                    YOU are the one with VERY poor arguments!

                    If I can only persuade you, by making arguments that are even more needy than yours… Then WHAT KIND of poor arguments do you need, Oh Needy One?

                    The truth is, you NEVER listen to ANYONE who sees things differently than You do! Because YOU are PERFECT, in all ways!

                    What you REALLY need, is to have your ego trimmed! Massively!

                    1. Real question. Are you being treated for some sort of mental illness?
                      Normal people don’t act like this.

                    2. Momma’s ass got kicked for the 4,567,232nd time! So she has to resort to grade-school insults! What a surprise! MORE astounding news at 11:00 follows soon!

                    3. It’s fun being lectured about grade-school insults by the retard who unironically uses the term DerTrumpenfuhrer at least 35 times a day. All the more so when the gibbering alcoholic retard pedophile mistakes one user for another, as usual.

                    4. Every response to SQRLSY should be a request that he commit suicide.

                    5. Hi Sexless Ranger… We KNOW that you are REALLY Shitsy Shitler, you know! You cover is blown! So go blow away in your own smelly farts!

                      Shitsy Shitler, drinking Shitsy Kool-Aid in a spiraling vortex of darkness, cannot or will not see the Light… It’s a VERY sad song! Kinda like this…

                      He’s a real Kool-Aid Man,
                      Sitting in his Kool-Aid Land,
                      Playing with his Kool-Aid Gland,
                      Has no thoughts that help the people,
                      He wants to turn them all to sheeple!
                      On the sheeple, his Master would feast,
                      Master? A disaster! Just the nastiest Beast!
                      Kool-Aid man, please listen,
                      You don’t know, what you’re missin’,
                      Kool-Aid man, better thoughts are at hand,
                      The Beast, to LEAVE, you must COMMAND!

                      A helpful book is to be found here: M. Scott Peck, Glimpses of the Devil

                      Hey Shitsy Shitler…
                      If EVERYONE who makes you look bad, by being smarter and better-looking than you, killed themselves, per your wishes, then there would be NO ONE left!
                      Who would feed you? Who’s tits would you suck at, to make a living? WHO would change your perpetually-smelly DIAPERS?!!?
                      You’d better come up with a better plan, Stan!

                    6. Ahahaahha you told us your mom fucks moose ahahahahaha

                2. Bernie campaign account filled with calls for incitement.


                  This moment demands we use everything at our disposal including but not limited to the 25th amendment and impeachment.

                  The congress members that support(ed) the insurrectionist must be removed!

                  Last night we took to the streets to call for Trump’s removal.

                  We showed up because Socialism is about the extension of democracy from the ballot box to the rest of our society. We will keep organizing and keep fighting — in Albany, in D.C., and on the streets.

                  And on and on it goes.

                  1. I would like to offer up the word “usurper” to apply to the Capitol protesters.

                    It has a nice ring to it.

                    1. I think “Reichstag Arsonists” is more historically apt.

                    2. Usurper is a fitting title for Biden and most democrats at this point.

        2. An example of incitement to violence of people on Twitter.

          Based on their arbitrary messaging each one should be kicked off. Based on Amazons message Twitter should be kicked off.

          Youre just a fascist sqrsly.

          1. “…each one should be kicked off…”

            Go persuade Twitter of your case. Or buy up their stock, 51% or more of it, and vote out their CEO, or some such. GO for it! CHANGE Twitter and their evil ways! But do it peacefully, with respect for private property!

            But no… You want, instead, to use Government Almighty FORCE to do so, right? And it NEVER occurs to you, that if YOU can get away with this, then the democrats will be able to do the same to YOUR policies! Because Der JesseBahnFurher will own ALL of the Magic Rings, and rule ALL of us… Forever!

            1. Twitter is an arm of the Democratic party and coordinates it’s affairs with elected officials.

              Twitter is now a part of your “Guvmint Almighty” Sqrlsy, and should be treated accordingly.

              1. So what? I got kicked off I’m not crying about a free speech violation because they own their site – not me.

                Is that fascist motherfucker Andrew Bratfart still dead? I can’t find anything on his status.

                1. Oh, is Brietbart coordinating removing people with the GOP, like Twitter with the Democrats?
                  I’ve rarely ever visited, but it seems to me that rather than coordinating with the party, they actually hate the Republican establishment more than Democrats.

                  1. Why did you hang out at Breitbart? I don’t spend time at Salon or Jacobin. Were you fifty-centing there too?

                  2. Why did they ban you? Was it like when you got banned here the first time for posting child porn links? If so that’s hardly the same as the wrong politics.

                2. When did breitbart kick off a competing private company like parler?

                3. Yeah, places not run by leftists don’t like kiddie porn kinks on their sites. A diseased child molester like you can’t grasp that.

              2. Then go vote Twitter out of office! Or are the Lizard Men FORCING you to vote for people that you do NOT support? If so… GOOD LUCK to you, in your struggles against the Lizard Men! Everyone that I know, who has tried to resist them, has ended up on skid row, homeless, or worse!

                Try and end up NOT like this guy, PLEASE!

                Momma believes the same delusional lies that Anthony Quinn did, about Lizard Men!
                Nashville bomber sent writings espousing conspiracy theories to multiple people days before blast
                Anthony Quinn told me so! It must be true! From the above link…
                Warner’s writings also discuss the conspiracy theory that Earth is controlled by a race of reptilian lizard people.
                “They put a switch into the human brain so they could walk among us and appear human,” Warner wrote.

                1. Then go vote Twitter out of office!

                  People did. What part of massive electoral fraud don’t you understand.

                  1. “What part of massive electoral fraud don’t you understand.”

                    PLEASE send the Lizard Men to explain all of this to me!

                    1. Right but you told us your mom fucks moose.

                    2. “Dear Abby” is a personal friend of mine. She gets some VERY strange letters! For my amusement, she forwards some of them to me from time to time. Here is a relevant one:

                      Dear Abby, Dear Abby,
                      My life is a mess,
                      Even Bill Clinton won’t stain my dress,
                      I whinny seductively for the horses,
                      They tell me my picnic is short a few courses,
                      My real name is Mary Stack,
                      NO ONE wants my hairy crack!
                      On disability, I live all alone,
                      Spend desperate nights by the phone,
                      I found a man named Richard (Dick) Decker,
                      But he won’t give me his hairy pecker!
                      Dick Decker’s pecker is reserved for farm beasts,
                      I am beastly, yes! But my crack’s full of yeasts!

                      So Dear Abby, that’s just a poetic summary… You can read about the Love of my Life, Richard Decker, here:
                      Farmers kept refusing to let him have sex with their animals. So he sought revenge, authorities say.
                      Decker the hairy pecker told me a summary of his story as below:
                      Decker: “Can I have sex with your horse?”
                      Farmer: “Lemme go ask the horse.”
                      Farmer: “My horse says ‘neigh’!”
                      And THAT was straight from the horse’s mouth! I’m not horsin’ around, here, no mare!

                      So Richard Decker the hairy pecker told me that, apparently never even realizing just HOW DEEPLY it hurt me, that he was all interested in farm beasts, while totally ignoring MEEE!!

                      So I thought maybe I could at least liven up my lonely-heart social life, by refining my common interests that I share with Richard Decker… I, too, like to have sex with horses!

                      But Dear Abby, the horses ALL keep on saying “neigh” to my whinnying sexual advances!
                      Some tell me that my whinnying is too whiny… Abby, I don’t know how to fix it!

                      Dear Abby, please don’t tell me “get therapy”… I can’t afford it on my disability check!

                      Now, along with my crack full of yeasts… I am developing anorexia! Some are calling me a “quarter pounder with cheese”, but they are NOT interested at ALL, in eating me!!! They will NOT snack on my crack!

                      What will I DO, Dear Abby?!?!?

                      -Desperately Seeking Horses, Men, or ANYTHING, in Fort Worth,
                      Yours Truly,
                      Mary Stack / Tulpa / Mary’s Period / “.” / Satan

                    3. And now he’s waving his Dear Abby bit.
                      Poor sarcasmic must be a dozen tallboys and whole 26 ouncer into it right now.

                      Maybe he has another court appearance with his ex on Monday.

                    4. Momma defends Tulpa. Two brainless and worthless peas in a pod!

                    5. Flag refresh

                    6. “SQRLSY One
                      January.10.2021 at 1:09 pm
                      Momma defends Tulpa”


    3. “Fuck everyone agreeing with this corporate censorship.”

      Well, JesseAZ, I don’t support censorship of any kind. That being said, however, there seems little can be done about it — that old “freedom not to associate” thing. One can hope for boycotts or other economic efforts, though.

      1. Does it count when the corporations are acting as political agents and their actions are being coordinated by elected officials for political gain?

        Can corporatist entities really be considered private companies?

        1. “Can corporatist entities really be considered private companies?”

          Of course they are private, they are owned and controlled by the people who invest in them. Are you thinking some other entity should control them?

          (And yes, I am aware that the government owns a whole bunch of NPO’s.)

          1. Lets set aside their armies of lobbyists that helped them obtain the subsidies that helped them expand and the regulations that stifled their competition, for a moment.

            Over 400 employees shuffled between Facebook and the Obama administration and back to Facebook. 200 Twitter employees have worked for elected Federal Democrats as paid employees in the last four years.

            That’s extraordinary numbers, how many General Mills or Walmart employees can claim the same? Hint: You can use one hand to count them.

            They are beyond obviously corporatist. This isn’t some cake baker in flyover country. They are not private entities anymore no matter how you slice it.

          2. “they are owned and controlled by the people who invest in them.”

            I forgot to mention, Nancy Pelosi and her husband own a huge chunk of Facebook and Amazon stock, so you’re absolutely right.

            1. Again, I ask, if corporations are not controlled by their investors, then who should control them? If you want to reduce the power of the federal government, AND reduce the power of corporations, then consider minarchism.


              1. Are Amazon, Apple, Alphabet and Facebook actually controlled by their shareholders? That’s the way it’s supposed to work, but in practice it never does.

                I was just reading Job’s biography again the other day, and it was astonishing how much pull Al Gore had as a director, while the shareholders were totally minimized.

                1. Again, I ask, who do you propose “control” these corporations?

                  1. Novody is asking for control. Youre making the same mistake as sarcasmoc does constantly. A company should not receive special legal protections if it does not respect the basic tenants of the constitution. This isn’t fucking hard.

                    The government puts a lot of conditions on excess benefits. Stop treating 230 as sacrosanct.

                    If a company wants to be a censoring asshole, let their users or customers sue them for contract violations. Yes. 230 has been expanded to control ToS lawsuits and disallow those suits.

                    1. JesseAZ: See, you answered my question: sue them for TOS violations, black-list them, boycott them. I have no problem with any of those things.

                      I actually wasn’t speaking about section 230, but rather corporate rights of free speech in Citizens United v Federal Election Commission.

                    2. This all falls back on the expansion of 230. The ToS clauses try to force all lawsuits to be in the friendly SF district court where the judges have allowed 230 to expand to even cover contract disputes, see Meagan Murphy lawsuit.

                      There is a legal term called unconscionable contracts, where terms so outrageous and one sided are considered invalid.

                      With these companies the SF judges have allowed a clause where one side is allowed to arbitrarily change conditions of contract on a whim. This is not allowed in any other industry.

                      So what has happened is these companies grew on one promise and then changed terms after achieving market capture.

                      They also collude, see this weekend, which can lead to an antitrust argument as well. But these lawsuits have largely been forfeited under a broad definition of 230.

                  2. Perhaps instead of asking WHO should control these corporations; the question should be WHO shouldn’t….

                    The answer to that question is very simple; government officials. With Pelosi dropping huge investments into Facebook and Obama telling the world they wouldn’t even exist without Government funding. I’d say the case has been made.


                    1. +

    4. Goodie but oldie.

      “ Mr. Obama has told people that it would be so much easier to be the president of China. As one official put it, ‘No one is scrutinizing Hu Jintao’s words in Tahrir Square.’”

    5. This is an exceptionally scary development.

      The free exchange of ideas is on the verge of being killed wholesale, and its being cheered on. The very minute it became clear that T was definitely out, BigTech, which is being investigated by Congress, bends the knee, and just so happens to implement just exactly what Team Blue has been calling for for years: a purge of conservatism online.

      Over 10k Twitter users purged. Parler blocked by Google and Apple. Parler getting shut down at the server level in an attempt to silence conservatives who’ve fled Twitter and Facebook.

      Even if these corporations aren’t acting at the behest of their political overlords, they’re acting AGAINST 1/2 the country.

      Cut off the ability for people to speak, and I can bet that the means those people will use to get their point across will be even less attractive. If this doesn’t stop post haste, you can bet that the “words are violence!” crowd is about to be shown just exactly what violence really is.

      1. “Cut off the ability for people to speak, and I can bet that the means those people will use to get their point across will be even less attractive. If this doesn’t stop post haste, you can bet that the “words are violence!” crowd is about to be shown just exactly what violence really is.”

        Muzzled, I think the people behind this are counting on it. Violence, leading to disorder, and providing the excuse to implement repressive policies: are all exactly the point of these restrictions.

        Amazing how fast all of this is happening, and Biden hasn’t even been inaugurated yet. I’m sure censorship will ease up over the next two years and these people can be voted out of office though, ‘when they’ve gone too far…’

        1. Ballot printer went brrrrrrr…. and fixed that last time.

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  6. Well, don’t worry, Joe Biden will have this straightened out in a trice. It’s not as if the US has a small presence in Syria and that Assad and Syrians and Russians and Turks and outside Islamist forces have far more influence with what’s going on in Syria than what the US does. No, no, we’re the big swinging dicks in the Middle East and every single thing that happens there is simply and solely based on US policy and actions. And Trump personally is responsible for that policy and those actions, he had merely to snap his fingers and all would have been straightened out. We’ll see how Biden does in the finger-snapping department – but seeing how quickly and easily he straightened out Ukraine and Iran, not to mention North Korea, Israel and China, should give us a clue that foreign policy is his particular area of expertise so I’ve got a good feeling about this.

    1. A sense a slight tinge of sarcasm from you….

    2. As long as Joe doesnt confuse the Middle East for the Far East. After he beat George in the election for the senate, i sometines worry if his mind ready for the rigors of his office.

      1. “After he beat George in the election for the senate, i sometines worry if his mind ready for the rigors of his office…”

        I wonder who will play the roles of Howard Baker, George Shultz, and Nancy Reagan? If we’re going to replay the sitcom of, “Reagan’s Last Two Years in Office.”

    3. Wasn’t it Obama sec def who. Said Joe was literally on the wrong side of every foreign policy decision they made during Obamas tenure?

      1. Ironically, that makes Biden sound better.

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  8. Why was America in Syria in the first place?

    1. The progressive nigger God said we need to be in syria

      1. I hope someone stole Kuckland’s nick right now.

        1. Dropping that word in your posts is rarely a good look.

          1. He’s black, so it’s ok.

  9. “President Donald Trump inherited this awkwardly stitched-together policy and added in an element of chaos. The president himself said he wanted to end “endless wars” and claimed he was ready to pull U.S. forces out of Syria at the first opportunity. But he hired a collection of hawkish advisers who thought of Syria as a battlefield on which to make Iran and Russia bleed.

    “He hasn’t been able to bring American troops home, because his own bureaucracy resists him,” says Aaron Stein, director of research at the Foreign Policy Research Institute. “He never set up a bureaucratic process to actually implement what he wants to do.”

    Your headline is absurd.

    The reason we didn’t launch a full scale invasion of Syria like we did Iraq is because Trump was elected rather than Hillary.

    Blaming Trump for not being able to overcome internal resistance to his police in the intelligence services, the Pentagon, and congress is unfair–especially considering that the intelligence services were fueling an impeachment drive against him, largely because of his resistance to invading Syria and his willingness to work with Putin to wipe out ISIS in Syria without a full scale American invasion.

    And, at some point, we really should mention that President Trump did manage to defeat ISIS in Syria through cooperation with Putin. That really is a remarkable achievement considering all the resistance he experienced internally–up to and including a intelligence services driven impeachment process accusing him of collaborating with Putin.

  10. Donald Trump campaigned on working with Russia, Assad, and Iran to defeat ISIS.

    This is why John McCain and the other never-Trumpers hated him.

    “I don’t like Assad at all, but Assad is killing ISIS. Russia is killing ISIS and Iran is killing ISIS,” Trump said when asked about his plans for Syria. He was referring to the country’s president, Bashar Assad, and using an acronym for the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.

    Although Trump has argued before against intervening in Syria, and often calls for cooperation with Russia against ISIS, his statement Sunday night was particularly blunt—and underscored the huge gap between Trump’s views and mainstream Republican thinking.”

    —-Politico October 10, 2016

    1. When Trump was elected, coordinating with Putin to defeat ISIS in Syria was Trump’s policy. The kernel of its full implementation started when Trump and Putin announced a cease fire between Assad, Iran, and U.S. backed rebels against Assad.

      ” The United States and Russia struck an agreement Friday on a cease-fire in southwest Syria, crowning President Donald Trump’s first meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin. It is the first U.S.-Russian effort under Trump’s presidency to stem Syria’s six-year civil war.”

      “US, Russia announce Syria cease-fire after Trump-Putin talks”

      —-Associated Press, July 7. 2017

      The purpose of the ceasefire was to stop Assad, Iran, and the rebels from fighting each other–so that all of them could concentrate their efforts on defeating ISIS. And guess what? It worked!

      ISIS was completely obliterated in Syria because of it–without a full scale invasion of Syria as the neocons, Hillary Clinton, and the intelligence services wanted.

      To the larger point, criticizing Trump for not being able to fully inflict his policies on all the interests behind military and intelligence complexes–even while they were orchestrating an impeachment drive against him for cooperating with Putin–is absurd. The reason we defeated ISIS in Syria without a full scale invasion is because of Trump, and if anyone else but Trump had been in the White House, we’d have invaded.

      1. Ken, the Leftists will never understand this. Never.

        1. They’re facts!

          They’re blaming Trump for not getting us out of Syria, when the only reason we’re still there is over Trump’s objections and in spite of all his efforts.

          Quagmires are quagmires because they’re hard to get out of. That Trump negotiated a full withdrawal from Afghanistan with the Taliban is astounding!

          I expect to see Biden quietly take that agreement out back and shoot it.

          1. Soon they won’t ever have to hear facts if sqrsly gets his way.

            1. JesseAz,

              You seem to be really clear on the fact that a lot of the anti-Trump trolls here are full of shit.

              I hope you realize that when they say what they’re libertarian or their argument are libertarian, they’re also full of shit.

              Don’t believe them!

              Because people should be free to associate or disassociate with whomever they please, Parler for instance, and the government shouldn’t interfere, 1) doesn’t mean we shouldn’t criticize private actors for doing evil and stupid things, and 2) doesn’t mean that collusion is necessarily good, acceptable, capitalist, libertarian, or legal.

              1. I recognized the blatant narrative building of the media a decade ago. K used to try to have discussions on wapo and other sites but you can’t argue with fanatics.

                Here we had people who once claimed some aspects of libertarians turn into people who would rationalize their freedoms away because they disliked trump.

                Jerry found a post of mine from 2009 showing my views didnt change. You can’t say the same for the cosplau libertarians here.

          2. It would be great is we abruptly pulled out by 1/19/2021, announced it to the world. If His Fraudulency wants troops back in, so be it. But we will have been out, and everyone will know it….including the military.

            1. It’s hard to get a gigantic bureaucracy to follow your orders accurately and promptly–even after they’ve been through boot camp.

              1. Problem –> gigantic bureaucracy

    2. And Tony et al (I lump chemjeff and chipper in here too because of how fucking off the deep end they’ve been about the Trump presidency) are fully in the neocon McCain/Cheney camp.

  11. Why Is America Still In Syria?

    Trick question — it’s always been in the other hemisphere. Now maybe Amerigo Vespucci traveled in Syria at some time — I wouldn’t know about that.

  12. SleepyJoe will solve thus problem, just like all the other problems. He will draw on his quick mind, sharp intellect and 5 decades in government with no accomplishments.

    1. With DOCTOR Jill by his side, and BidenhertimeHarris assisting from the wings, there is nothing He can’t accomplish.

  13. We (the US) might want to cool it on any large scale military plans that don’t involve direct threats to our nation. And not just for moral reasons either.

    Our country can’t even handle a battle with the flu. America-Fuck-Yeah! in Syria might not turn out the way we plan, especially if other countries get involved. The leaders the voters have chosen might want to stick to their war against income inequality, or systemic racism in the workplace, whatever. We probably shouldn’t pick fights with enemies that can fire back.

    1. Weak effort trying to play both sides troll.

      Who are you, Welch?

  14. ‘QAnon Shaman’ is a 33-year-old failed actor who lives with his mom, spouts conspiracy theories about ‘FBI pedophile codes’ and roams the streets dressed in his bizarre horned outfit

    Jacob Angeli Chansley is one of the MAGA rioters wanted by DC police for his part in storming the Capitol building on Wednesday
    He was part of a Trump supporting mob, that also included Proud Boys and white supremacists, who broke into the building can reveal that Chansley has been living with his mother Martha, 56, since January 2019
    He had been booted out of his $899-a-month apartment in Phoenix, Arizona, owing $1,247 in rent arrears

    This sounds like any one of our resident Peanut wingnuts!

    Could it be ‘John’? I haven’t seen him post in days?


    1. Yeah. But you’re a pedophile who got banned here.

      1. Is your mom named Martha? do you owe back rent?

        You basement-living QAnon idiot

        1. Lol pedo, I’ve never once offered a q anon link, statement or conspiracy.

          You have posted links to child porn.

        2. I’d never even heard of Qanon before the proggies here started ranting about it. In fact, even now the only people who bother to talk about it are lefty’s.

          I think the whole thing is some kind of leftist invention sort of like slenderman.

          1. B-b-b-but… TEH BOOGALOO!!!!!!!!

        3. You told us your mom fucks moose SQRLSY lolol

        4. You’re a pedophile. You outed yourself here.

      2. “But you’re a pedophile who got banned here.”

        Pretty sure it’s at least twice now, and the stinking pile of lefty shit keeps changing his handle to get back in.

    2. You only hate them because they don’t post kiddie porn

    3. Missed this:

      “…spouts conspiracy theories about ‘FBI pedophile codes’ and roams the streets dressed in his bizarre horned outfit…”

      Turd’s bff.

  15. I’m honestly impressed at the brazenness of this gaslighting attempt.

    We’re still in Syria because the deep-state agents all American heroes that run our bureaucracy that you’ve been praising for the last four years kept them there, literally contrary to Trump’s orders and without Trump’s knowledge because these agents heroes literally lied to keep it secret from him. The chaos brought to the region happened well before Trump even started running in 2015 and it remains despite Trump’s best efforts because of these heroic bureaucrats’ actions to not abandon our Kurdish allies, as you so thoroughly decried when they lied to you about withdrawing our troops from Syria.

    1. Let’s not forget that they impeached him over supposedly collaborating with Putin–because he wanted to work with Putin to defeat ISIS in Syria. That was bad, from their perspective, because it meant that Assad will still be in control of Syria when it was over.

      Subconsciously or otherwise, there are a lot of people trying to rationalize their opposition to Trump at this point in time–because we’re staring the authoritarianism and socialism of Biden’s policies and the Democrats’ control of congress in the face.

      They can’t take legitimate responsibility for what’s happening and what’s to come–despite it being the result of their choices. To the extent that they persuaded people to oppose Trump, they are responsible for that, and the result of their choices is Joe Biden and the Democrats implementing the most anti-libertarian and anti-capitalist policy agenda in American history.

      They have to live with themselves, so they rationalize. A serial killer sitting on death row will blame it all on his mother abusing him. I’m sure we all know people who screwed up their marriages, their families, their careers, and their lives, think they’ve never made a mistake in their lives, and blame it all on other people. My life isn’t the result of my own choices. It’s all somebody else’s fault!

      That’s what we’re seeing all over Reason.

      Yeah, we’re looking at the socialism of the Green New Deal, an unprecedented assault on our gun rights, the nationalization of the healthcare industry under the guise of Medicare for All, and the Democrats packing the Supreme Court to make sure that nothing gets in the way of their agenda just because it violates our rights–but that isn’t because we persuaded people to oppose Trump and it doesn’t mean that getting rid of Trump was the wrong thing to do.

      After all, Trump didn’t get us completely out of Syria.

      1. Let’s not forget that they impeached him over supposedly collaborating with Putin

        Trump was impeached for bribing the president of Ukraine to initiate a fake investigation of Biden.

        1. The articles of impeachment never cited bribery. Why do you continue to lie? Ignorance?

          1. so the language used was the broader “Abuse of Power”? Who gives a fuck? He tried to bribe the dude with taxpayer money.

            anyway Ken is wrong yet again.

            1. Google “hunter bidens laptop”, “Tony bobulinski interview”, “Bevan Cooney emails”, “Devon archer indictments”, “burisma investigation 2020”.

              Then admit your wrong pedo

            2. No, it wasn’t broader. Abuse of lower isnt an upped charge from bribery halfwit.

              1. Abuse of power*

                You can even Google the legal arguments at the time as to why bribery wasn’t included. It was intentional half wit.

            3. “…Who gives a fuck?..”

              People who don’t constantly lie, as you do turd.
              Fuck off and die.

            4. Uh….you made a patently false statement and got called out on it by JesseAz. Subsequent events have shown that His Fraudulency’s son was basically a drug-addicted, high-class bagman.

              1. And turd has been shown many, many times to have but a passing acquaintance with facts or that thing known a “truth”.
                Pretty much if turd posts it, it’s got the same cred as Tony’s string of lies.

            5. Again, I think we should consider the possibility that Shrike simply doesn’t have the capacity to understand what he reads, much less to read it with a critical mind.

              It is often the case that Shrike doesn’t understand what’s happening and why. Even linking to controversial content–doesn’t the best explanation for that have something to do with him not being smart enough to realize why that was a bad idea?

              We’ve walloped him every day for a decade, and he still hasn’t acquired any knowledge of how the economy or anything else works–doesn’t know the first thing about reason, rational argument, etc.

              At some point, it stops being about dishonesty and starts being about . . . just not having the capacity to understand what’s being said or why.

              1. When you put it like that, I feel bad for picking on the little guy.

            6. He tried to bribe the dude with taxpayer money.

              He should have taped himself telling reporters about how he withheld a billion dollars in loan guarantees until he got an investigation of his kid’s shady dealings shut down, I guess.

            7. A relative of one of your child rape victims should show up and shoot you in the testicles.

      2. No, we’re seeing revealed stated preferences. Long before the election, when Trump thought he had pulled troops out of Syria, Reason writers were up in arms at the irresponsible actions of the bad orange man. Long before the election, they had been consistently praising and lionizing lifelong unelected bureaucrats for refusing to follow or acting contrary to lawful orders from duly elected officials.

        Reason writers aren’t rationalizing anything. This is exactly what they’ve been demanding from the government for years. Blaming Trump for not opposing their preferred socialist agenda effectively enough is just their cherry on top.

        1. “Reason writers aren’t rationalizing anything. This is exactly what they’ve been demanding from the government for years.”

          Sevo and I were discussing this in comments last week.

          We may be giving people the benefit of the doubt, undeservedly, when we assume they’re being dishonest. When we assume people are dishonest, we’re also dismissing the possibility that maybe they’re dumb.

          Have you read anything by Binion, Boehm, or Britschgi and thought to yourself–well, there’s someone who’s really knowledgeable and smart?

          There were people in this world who lacked so much knowledge and so much intelligence, that when Chavez nationalized the grocery stores and set the prices of food below market, they didn’t know it would result in empty shelves at the supermarket and the price of food going through the roof on the black market. Half the people in the world are of below average intelligence, and it seems to me that journalists are well represented in their numbers.

          One of the most amazing things about markets is that they make people behave as if they possesses knowledge they don’t posses. Markets make stupid people behave as if they’re knowledgeable and smart! But when theses clowns who were picking Trump apart in the weeks before the election were writing their stupid analyses, there weren’t any market forces at work on their writing. Like the people who had no idea that Chavez’s policies would leave people hungry, these writers may have had no idea that the result of Trump losing would be the most authoritarian and socialist policies in American history!

          We often think Tony, Shrike, and ChemJeff are being dishonest–especially when they don’t seem to learn anything from having their arguments shredded and smeared in their faces everyday for years. But the fact that they don’t seem to learn anything–knowledge wise or in terms of critical thinking–may be consistent with the hypothesis that they’re just not that bright. And we shouldn’t necessarily assume that Binion, Boehm, or Britschgi are fundamentally different from them.

          Maybe the reason they try to make us feel is because they’re incapable of making us think. It is beyond their capabilities.

          1. Ken, there is a simpler explanation here. When people like Brown, Binion, Boehm, Soave, Sullum or Britschgi trade away their integrity as they have, there are no restraints on malignant actions. People are people, Ken.

          2. Ken, I don’t know about your school, but at my university journalists were 1)retarded socialists
            2)athlets that were going pro and just need to ride it out till they get drafted
            3)people that were failing out of elementary education and polysci

            1. There were a lot of people who wanted to be the next Sylvia Plath or Philip Roth. Journalism is a tough row to hoe, but it’s a paying gig if you can get a job. There are only so many writing gigs out there. Most of them end up working office jobs somewhere.

          3. I like this new side of Ken.

            The one thing o can add is that the long march through the institutions is well known and understood dogma of the far left. It has been a doctrine for over a century. Yet some act shocked that it is happening or believe it will never expand. We saw this 10 years ago when campus reform and fire set up to air out what was happening on campuses to be told by the same characters here it would never leave campus. It is a naivete driven by a lack of intelligence and learning as you state. Human character doesn’t change drastically, just cultural norms. It is why we still refer to 2k old philosophers.

          4. Here, Ken, is some reading for you:


            If you cannot comprehend someone else’s argument, and from that you conclude that it must be because that person is stupid, it may be instead that you are not as smart as you think you are.

            1. That’s you. Not Ken. Seriously, do you really believe otherwise?

            2. Says the guy who thinks reading the first three google links makes him an expert lolololol

          5. Ken wrote
            “But when theses clowns who were picking Trump apart in the weeks before the election were writing their stupid analyses, there weren’t any market forces at work on their writing.”

            I disagree. All Reason editors and writers were fully aware (as many commenters pointed out at the time) that Charles Koch was campaigning for Biden, and all wanted raises and nice Christmas bonuses.

            The market forces were on full display for those who were paid to campaign for Biden and to trash trump on a daily basis.

    2. I had forgotten that Reason was regurgitating the “abandoning the Kurds” bullshit.

  16. We are in Syria and elsewhere because of the Military Industrial War Machine. In ten days Biden who always supports war will be the new President. In even that Joe Biden is removed with the 25th amendment, we would then have Kamala Harris as President which would be no better. Let’s face it the United States will remain a warmongering state for years to come.

  17. tl;dr, lemme guess:
    jeezuz jumpin-up christ, give it a REST!

  18. Based purely on civilian deaths in wartime, Trump wins the argument hands down. Obama and Bush were outright murderers. And they are lauded and praised and will sit on high at the coronation, I mean inauguration.

    See Trump didn’t want a bunch of foreign wars, so the intelligence and military branches kneecapped him. And now he’s silenced by the big tech companies who are civilian arms of the same intelligence and military.

    But they got their puppet I mean president and the foreign wars will continue.

    1. Well put.

      This article is pieced together garbage that is more revisionist than history. The author is just another mindless twinkie bashing Trump. Too bad we can’t hold this nitwit accountable a year from now when the results of dementia Joe become clear.

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      2. “Too bad we can’t hold this nitwit accountable a year from now ”

        I’m not waiting a year. Starting tomorrow, I’m going to paint my face, wear a buffalo horn hat, drape myself in fur and take selfies.

        1. Be prepared to be labeled an “insurrectionist” by sarcasmic.

          1. “Be prepared to be labeled an “insurrectionist”

            Better that than failed insurrectionist.

            1. I’m sorry your attempt to label them either way failed, insurrectionist.

        2. Ok, you’ll be doing your normal routine, not sure why you think we need to know that.

          1. “Goodbye horses…..”

            1. “I’d fuck me…”

              Maybe he’ll turn Jeff into a man suit?

              1. No, that too would be a girl suit.

          2. “not sure why you think we need to know that.”

            I’ll do whatever it takes to get your respect,

            1. Live through a grease fire?

    2. “But they got their puppet I mean president and the foreign wars will continue.”

      I think the covid19 will make it difficult to continue business as usual.

      1. “I think”


      2. I think we’re going to see a whole lot of reporting going the opposite way after January 20th. Biden will be seen as savior and suddenly the light will break. The pump is primed. Brianna Keilar is readying her kneepads to service the great dear leader and his team.

        1. “I think we’re going to see a whole lot of reporting going the opposite way after January 20th. ”

          Make the most of this week. It might be your last. What with all the gulags and all.

          1. I’m sorry you’re upset that your side is losing their mind.

    3. Trump killed more civilians than Obama, and I’m not even including the 360,000 dead Americans. He banned government reporting on the civilian deaths caused by his overseas bombing, but corpses don’t disappear because the US media doesn’t report on them.

      Even the one thing you think he did well is a lie.

      1. Lol. And you have the temerity to call others conspiracy theorists.

      2. Tony going full retard. Who would have thunk it?

      3. I like your other socks better mtrueman.

      4. Here we see a progressive in the wild. Notice how he has to compulsively “whatabout” and include Trump in any post. See how he struts about, completely ignoring the Democrats that are directly responsible for the majority of covid deaths.

        As we continue to observe he will get more and more flustered until he admits to wanting to liquidate his political opponents.

  19. Yeah, blame Trump for the chaos, even though he reduced the US role.

  20. Cripes, does anyone now doubt that the establishment is using Wednesday as their Reichstag fire?

    Just read this piece from the chief content officer of Forbes Media and editor of Forbes Magazine.

    “Let it be known to the business world: Hire any of Trump’s fellow fabulists above, and Forbes will assume that everything your company or firm talks about is a lie.
    We’re going to scrutinize, double-check, investigate with the same skepticism we’d approach a Trump tweet. Want to ensure the world’s biggest business media brand approaches you as a potential funnel of disinformation? Then hire away.”

    This is fucking terrifying folks.

    1. Private company!

    2. This should be a clear-cut case of libel, but in today’s clown world the victims don’t have standing to sue.

      1. It is 100% tortious interference. Probably would fall under willful harassment as well.

    3. They’re making the Red Scare of the ’50s look like a picnic–and they’re treating average Americans like communists.

      They’re also overplaying their hand.

      1. Thanks for the advice.

        That’s what we need, advice from terrorist sympathizers.

        Next time don’t go after Congress you morons.

        1. You never answered why 30 dead, 200 riots, and 2 billion in damage isn’t terrorism.

        2. It might seem scary to you fag. Personally, I don’t find it all that terrifying.

        3. “overplaying their hand.”

          “terrorist sympathizers”


      2. They are going for the red guard of China more than the red scare of the 50s.

    4. I’m positive the “libertarians” at Reason will be outraged. I expect a strongly worded protest from Robbie Monday morning. To be sure.

    5. An insane freak as president who encourages terrorism and attempts to overthrow the constitution is more terrifying.

      1. You’re a deranged liar, Tony and a fascist agitator. Take your authoritarian concern trolling back to reddit.

      2. And he was brown too, which is what really scared you.

  21. Overplaying their hand to ensure a violent reaction…is the point. Somebody has to be the subject for D.C.’s new Pietà and it likely won’t be Randall Lane.

    1. Well, the Green New Deal, packing the Court, Medicare for All, and anti-gun legislation should all come in Biden’s first 100 days.

      The only form of influence the right has left is a massive protest in Washington DC, and they’re doing everything they can to make that impossible–from demonizing any Trump supporters out there to denying them the means to organize through things like Parler.

      It’s not even a conspiracy theory! It’s a play by play.

      We’re not talking about what they plan to do to stop the American right from protesting. This is what they’re actually doing.

      1. Maybe the American right should have stuck with protesting instead of storming the Capitol and attempting to murder members of Congress and the vice president in an effort to overthrow the US constitution

        You’re still here bitching that you don’t get to make policy when the country doesn’t want you making policy. Why would we want you making policy? You want to erase the constitution and replace it with a tyranny of right-wing morons.

        People are supposed to fear environmental protection laws over that? Do you ever sit and think about the fucked up things you believe?

        1. Poor lefties. Democrats started Civil war 2.0 but dont like it when Americans fight back.

          1. ^THIS!!! EXACTLY!!!!

        2. Now do protesters burning down cities.

        3. “and attempting to murder members of Congress and the vice president”

          They were unarmed FFS, you fascist agitator.
          They wandered along taking selfies and stayed inside the velvet ropes.
          I saw the video, and more than 95 percent of the people who made their ways inside clearly were just drifting and roaming around, walking mostly in single or double file, as in a tour of the Capitol.
          You guys were thousands of times worse this last year.

          And fuck your concern trolling over Mike Pence. If anyone wanted him dead Tony, It’s you.

        4. “Maybe the American right ”

          Isn’t here, bit IS elsewhere. Maybe go join em there?

        5. Here Tony; You need some help again I see… You seem to live in your own mind of a delusion-ally created National Socialist country instead of paying any respect to the REALITY that the USA is but a Constitutional Republic ( granite you are throwing the word here and there now; but your delusions have nothing to with the word ) which is currently under attack by…………………………………….

          You guess it; National Socialists! (i.e. Nazi’s)

          We’ve sat around for years watching you delusional Nazi’s slowly TEAR this once-great country apart ( can’t deny it now can you? ) with POWER to dictate, POWER to steal, POWER to enslave, POWER to communize, POWER to ban the words like Mother and Father from the Capitol, POWER to re-enact racism, sexism.

          BUT when the POWER to CANCEL a rightfully-suspected steal of an election occurs without ANY proper authentication but instead [WE] mobs of media not debunking any of it but just name-calling it into CANCELLATION. That is going TOOO DAMN FAR!

      2. “The only form of influence the right has left is a massive protest in Washington DC, and they’re doing everything they can to make that impossible–from demonizing any Trump supporters out there to denying them the means to organize through things like Parler.”

        Agreed. The site that was instrumental in setting up the Lobby Day armed, peaceful protest in Richmond, VA last year, is now running for cover, and IMHO, will be lucky to be extant in the next few months. They helped put 20,000 plus armed people into Richmond that day, and no one got hurt.

        They did it once, they might do for D.C., and that’s not going to be allowed to happen.

        Watch the filibuster rule. If it goes away as one of the first things in the new Senate, or if you see no filibuster attempts at all to stop the three major policy areas that you’ve been great about keeping in our awareness, then you’ll know things are about to irrevocably change.

      3. The only form of influence the right has left is a massive protest in Washington DC

        Even without Trump, the right has roughly half of Congress, the largest cable news network in the country, two other right-wing propaganda networks, at least a dozen talk radio personalities with large followings, and a majority on SCOTUS and a bunch of other courts. You were saying?

        Where do you all get this idea that the only way that the right can be heard is by storming Congress?

        1. I heard it on Parler before everyone deplatformed it.

          1. Oh damn I think you actually vaporized him!

          2. The Parler situation is an indication that we must have our own companies. As we can’t have our own mobile OS anytime soon, we need to do everything in our power to coerce Apple and Google into playing ball. Maybe start loading their boards up with conservative and libertarians.

    2. It looks like they were going to turn the DC cop who died into their own Horst Wessel.
      However, it’s looking at the moment that he had a heart attack unrelated to the fire extinguisher bruise almost two days later. He was fine at work the next day, and his family doesn’t seem to want to play along at the moment.
      So it looks like they’ll need another martyr.

      1. I’m sure Congress will pay close attention to the distinction.

        As any genius knows, the way to get what you want is to attempt to kill Congressmen and fail.

        1. “attempt to kill Congressmen”

          Go suck another dick, you fascist agitator.

          Not one of them was even armed.
          It was not BLM breaking many streets worth of windows, ransacking stores, and burning down buildings, and it was not Antifa shooting rockets into federal buildings including court houses.

          Rather, it was a bunch of people who played ‘Follow the Leader’ and, out of curiosity as much as anything else, meandered into and out of the Capitol.
          The videos all clearly show the security guards lifting the barricades and opening the doors ro let them in (pls challenge me on this).
          99% of them stayed inside the fucking velvet ropes FFS.

          They didn’t even do a 100th of the damage the Kavanagh protesters did.

          You guys are exactly like the Nazis and the Reichstag fire. You are disgusting.


            “President Trump has ignited fire within people,” a protester named Maria told me on Wednesday afternoon, before either of us knew that rioters had broken into the Capitol. “Some of these guys … they’re ready to go to war or die for their country today. This is not going away anytime soon.”

            A screaming mob had forced its way into the Capitol on the west side, and more people were climbing through the broken windows of the east entrance. A group led by a man in a QAnon T-shirt chased a police officer up to the second floor, chanting and demanding to speak with senators. Some wore tactical gear—helmets, armor, and black masks covering their entire face. It was easy to miss them with all the coverage of the costumes and poop-smearing and poses struck in Statuary Hall, but they were there, these military-styled men, carrying blunt instruments and fistfuls of zip ties, better known as flex cuffs, capable of restraining hostages. At least one was an Air Force combat veteran, The New Yorker reported. They seemed to act with purpose and knew their way around the Capitol. One carried a semiautomatic weapon and 11 Molotov cocktails. Later, police officers found the two pipe bombs. The devices were outside the buildings housing the Democratic and Republican National Committees, just blocks from the Capitol. Federal agents discovered a truck full of rifles, shotguns, and bomb-making supplies parked outside the RNC headquarters.

            On sites such as TheDonald.Win and Parler, Trump supporters had been plotting the attack for weeks, promising violence if Congress didn’t overturn the results of the presidential election. They discussed the weapons they would bring and brainstormed which lawmakers they would hang first. “I’m thinking it will be literal war on that day,” one commenter posted on TheDonald’s forum last month, according to the Daily Beast. “Where we’ll storm offices and physically remove and even kill all the D.C. traitors and reclaim the country.”

            Yeah, they were just curious tourists.

            1. Yeah except nobody’s got evidence of the poop smearing and there’s video clips of the zip ties guy hanging Gadsden flags with them, and the blunt instruments as weapons is a total fucking lie…
              And that’s all you fucking have.
              And bitching about wearing masks, seriously?

              What a pair of dishonest cunts you and Eliane Godfrey are.

              That’s nowhere near an insurrection. You guys are fascist agitators using this as your Reichstag Fire to sieze control. You’re horrific.

              1. Do tourists generally wear body armor when touring the Capitol? How about Molotov cocktails?

                1. Dude, Mother Slammer is a mystical whack job whose idea of a pick-up line is “Wy doncha come picket some abortion clinicz wif me sumtime?” There is no point whatsoever in arguing with religiously insane Credere Obbedire Combattere fascisti.

                  1. “Hank Phillips
                    January.10.2021 at 8:15 pm
                    Dude, Mother Slammer”

                    Oh shit you hate him because he fucked your mom? Let your mom get some D every once in a while without you going weirdo over-possessive creepy son to the guy railing her. She put up with you for her entire life, let her get some toe curls in.

                2. Now do BLM.

        2. “I’m sure Congress will pay close attention to the distinction.”

          First intelligent thing you’ve said.

      2. Somebody was getting thwacked with a flagpole on the Capitol steps. It’d be nice if those people were arrested.

        I’m just amazed that both: it took this long to get video out of an officer being beaten, never mind not showing any pictures of his wounds, etc… and that his fellow officers didn’t fire on the crowd to get people away from him.

        1. Firing on the crowd would have been worse.

          Oh not to the inflamed hemorrhoids on the left – they want blood.

          1. Sometimes, it might’ve gotten people off their ass and seen just how vicious the iron fist was going to be in D.C. Somebody thought more than two steps ahead.

            I’m sure there will be a sufficient excuse in the next two weeks.

        2. ” it took this long to get video out of an officer being beaten”

          That’s because it took a while to assemble the actors and film it.

          1. Nah, if it’s a fake, it’s a good one.

            I want the people who advanced up the stairs, then beat and dragged that officer down them—all brought to justice. Whichever politician they pledged allegiance to.

            It’s just funny watching people like the trolls here, and elsewhere like Reddit, suddenly discover a love for law and order.

  22. HO-LY FUCK – I present psychological projection poster child, Adam Schiff:

    We can fortify the defenses of the Capitol.

    We can reinforce doors and put up fences.

    But we cannot guard our democracy against those who walk the halls of the Capitol, have taken an oath to uphold our Constitution, but refuse to do so.

    1. But walls don’t work…

    2. He’s outright calling for an authoritarian crackdown, but somehow the citizens who took selfies in the rotunda are the insurrectionists.

    3. Told. You.

      These security restrictions are never going away.

      1. Wrong. Eventually the entire thing will completely fall apart. It’s not like anyone playing the game right now can right the ship if they win.

      2. I was referring to Schiff complaining about taking an oath to the Constitution and then refusing to do so.

        But yes, any excuse to ratchet up the security state.

  23. More lies from the commies at unreason.

    Obama put troops into Syria.

    Trump would be an even netter president than he is if he pulled all troops out but Democrats and RINOs are trying to prevent that at all costs.

  24. Why is the US involved in the region? how is it of any national security interest? The same old CFR types just can’t let it go….the cold war ended 30 years ago…time for the troops to come home, stop this foreign cops and robbers stuff and just let old world grudges (the “Czar did this”) go. This obession with Russia is just plain weird…a country with the GDP not much bigger than Spain (albiet with nukes like Pakistan, India and a few others by the way) is somehow a clear and present danger yet China isn’t? Trump failed in doing what he said…coming home. Bolton? Its’ like the neocons/neolibs are like michael can’t kill them..

    1. Why is the US involved in the region?

      Because we are involved in the region. We are the 10 ton gorilla. If the gorilla dances, that is involvement. If the gorilla doesn’t dance, that is involvement. The burdens of being the hegemon.

      If some of us want to get out of the region, then we have to know more about the region than those who don’t give a damn or who want to pull us in deeper. Because one thing is for sure, the ignorant won’t even be at the table. The overlapping set of ‘people who don’t want to get involved’ and ‘people who don’t know anything’ means they don’t matter.

      That doesn’t mean that knowledge will automatically lead to involvement in decisions. Its a necessary but not sufficient. Unless of course the elected are involved in the decisions. Then abject stupidity is perfectly sufficient.

      1. “If the gorilla doesn’t dance, that is involvement.”

        You’re an imbecile and we’re still laughing at how wrong you were.

        1. Maybe if JFree cleaned himself up a little and looked presentable, the gorilla would be willing to dance.

      2. At the risk of being laughed off reason..(which is fine)…I am reminded of a Star Trek Episode (classic series not that crappy STTNG) where they find themselves versus the Klingons in a proxy war each arming two pre industrial groups. The end scene Kirk says they must arm their side to balance what the Klingons are doing. Bones reminds Kirk of the costly proxy wars in the 20th century in asia (Vietnam). Kirk orders Scotty to manufacture 1,000 flintlocks..Scotty asks him to repeat and Kirk says “1,000 snakes for the garden of eden, beam us up.” We can just come home.

  25. Has anyone seen Nardz?

    GA man faces federal charges after threatening to shoot House Speaker on live TV

    1. Crazy threats of violence are more a Tony and Sarcasmic thing.

      1. Not Robert Dear? Warring for the babies is mostly peaceful… or is it that he actually acted on the exact conservative whack job recommendations that got Boss Trump fired?

        1. You really don’t have to smoke all your meth at once

    2. “Has anyone seen Nardz?

      GA man faces federal charges after threatening to shoot House Speaker on live TV”

      ahahaha omfg how mad did he make you Jeff ahahahaha

      1. Jesus, fuck. Am I the only person who remembers The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly? If you want to shoot Pelosi—and who doesn’t, these days?—then go ahead and try to shoot her already. Stop wasting our time, and catching charges, by telling us what you’re going to do. Just like those “Ima gonna kidnap Whitmer!” clowns in Michigan.

        Stupid fucker probably glows in the dark anyway.

  26. EXCELLENT article here by Petti. Shows all the difficulties of foreign policy regardless of the goal/means. Too often ‘non-intervention’ translates as ‘remain ignorant of the situation’. And most of that sort of article here treads that line. That was also the intention/spin of the ‘What’s a leppo’ gotcha.

    Switzerland and Swaziland can remain ignorant. The US can’t simply by virtue of our size. Whatever we do – and whatever we don’t do – is an action. A foreign policy based on ignorance is not non-intervention. It is merely a failure waiting to happen.

    1. “A foreign policy based on ignorance is not non-intervention.”

      A policy is fine until it’s punched in the face, to paraphrase Mike Tyson. I don’t think what’s happening in Syria is the result of any policy. It’s a lot of conflicting interests and mixed motives jostling against each other on all sides. Trump didn’t have the smarts, the drive or the weight to impose himself on foreign policy. Neither did Obama or the rest of them back to Nixon, who did.

      1. I’ m sorry you’re still upset that you got destroyed in this thread.

    2. Lol you’re still an imbecile and we’re still laughing at how wrong you were.

      1. We? Are you talking to your sock drawer again?

  27. No other US president has accomplished as much as Trump (and most presidents made things far worse) to bring peace and prosperity to the middle east.

    Seems like every Reason article misrepresents the facts in order to demonizes Trump.

    1. God-boy here is an excellent poster child for communism. In 1987 I debated a commie prof, Lester Kurtz, on Libertarian Defense Caucus nuclear SDI defense versus Freeze and Surrender. Suddenly the guy began rattling off a list of countries These Conservative Fascist States had bombed, destabilized, overthrown, murdered, invaded, taken over and handed to Christian nazi rule with our money. Every Republican uptick in economy-destroying eugenic-murdering is quickly followed by an uptick in Communist party membership.

      1. Lol debated you’re not even coherent lololol

  28. “We” are in Syria to kill competing superstitious fools and generate a crop of shellshocked brainwashed looters dumb enough to get shot breaking and entering a government facility guarded by the Secret Service… for Jesus.

    1. See?





      JFC get it together

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  30. We’re still in Syria because when the president tried to pull us out, the entire swamp and their military-industrial-complex benefactors went, ‘REEEEEEEE’

    1. Biden has a sure-fire way of getting us out of Syria. He’s going to return to calling it the Levant.

      1. Well, that’s what they called it when he was a kid, so that makes sense.

        Other options include:

  31. Why indeed are we in Syria? All of our enemies Russia, Iran, Turkey, China, as well as Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Hezbollah and the rest of the Islamic gangsters all need their own version of Vietnam, where nobody knows who is friend or foe and throws non-stop blood and treasure into a bottomless pit. Stand back and let them have it and let any innocent blood be on their hands instead of ours.

  32. This is weird. Has Reason been DDoS’d?

  33. “Syrian dictator Bashar Assad cracked down with brute force.”

    This is nonsense. During the first months of the so-called ‘civil war’, one third of those killed were Syrian soldiers or police.

    Assad, who has been elected three times (twice by plebiscite and in a 2014 multi-candidate election) is opposed by Netanyahu, who supports ISIS, not because Assad is bad but because he is good – at least in comparison with US or Bibi.

    Netanyahu wants Syria to be destabilized and weak. He’s evil and so was the OBiden administration.

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