Libertarian Party Underperforms in Presidential Election
The 2016 and 2020 elections were the best in the party's history, but 2024 looks likely to fall far short.

It's too soon to know the results of many downballot races, but with a number of states reporting results, it appears that the Libertarian Party (L.P.) has broken the relatively successful streak it has enjoyed in recent presidential contests.
L.P. presidential nominee Chase Oliver is on pace to underperform compared to the party's most recent presidential tickets, though it's not clear whether that is a reflection of his candidacy, the party apparatus, the state of electoral politics in 2024, or all of the above.
For example, with more than 95 percent reporting, The New York Times reports that Oliver captured about 30,000 votes in Florida, totaling around 0.3 percent of the total vote, trailing Green Party candidate Jill Stein by 10,000 votes and 0.1 percent. In 2020, by contrast, L.P. candidate Jo Jorgensen received more than 70,000 votes and 0.6 percent in Florida, dwarfing Green Party candidate Howie Hawkins' 0.1 percent total.
In New Jersey, with 85 percent reporting, Oliver trails both Stein and independent Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who suspended his campaign in August; in 2020, Jorgensen received more than 31,000 votes there, or 0.7 percent, more than doubling Hawkins' 14,000. Oliver also trails Kennedy in states such as Michigan and Wisconsin.
This was the first presidential election since the L.P.'s takeover by the right-wing Mises Caucus. Oliver was not the caucus' first choice, but he captured the nomination nonetheless after an uninspiring convention speech by Michael Rectenwald, the caucus' preferred candidate. Mises Caucus founder Michael Heise explicitly endorsed Trump for president, and the Mises-affiliated party chair expressed her preference for Trump over Harris.
While the party achieved ballot access in all 50 states in recent years, that was not the case this time: Oliver was not on the ballot in Illinois, New York, Tennessee, or Washington, D.C.
The party also ran fewer candidates overall this year, with some states running no Libertarian candidates for federal office. In September, the Iowa Supreme Court booted three Libertarian candidates from the ballot after Republicans in those districts sued over the state party's selection process. Other state L.P. chapters, such as Arizona's and California's, ran no candidates for Congress in 2024.
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Omegalul.
Reason hacks hardest hit.
Some might have voted for Kamala, but now they can’t get called out for that in the comments for the next four years.
but now they can’t get called out for that in the comments for the next four years.
Why not?
Assuming she doesnt win, not much reason to call em out, cuz too irrelevant.
Reluctantly and strategically
Dude, we're going to be treated to four more years of Sullum thinkpieces about how the Trump is "credibly accused" of beating Kamala Harris.
Hey - they actually have it on tape this time!
They will have to start forum shopping to find the right state and jury pool to charge him.
I hope one of the first things he does is give commutation of sentence to most of the J6 political prisoners and pardons to some.
Add in some of the right to life political prisoners as well.
[fingers crossed] That he's petty enough, or enough of a slam dunk artist, to find some people Kammy sent up on bullshit and pardon them.
I forgot to add...
He really MUST revoke security clearances for every freaking spook that signed that Russian disinfo memo
Oliver just wasn’t gay enough.
IMHO, he wasn't libertarian enough. Seems like liberals invade and take over institutions working to implement policy that returns our freedom and prosperity, and changes them to socialist organizations. Sad to see so many crazies in the party; it used to be a principled party.
That's exactly it. He was a light libertarian, but also a light Democrat.
I could've voted for him, but chose right in because he wasn't really libertarian.
A joke candidate did poorly?
Did they let anybody know he was gay? I heard rumors.
Pfffffffffffffffffffffffft....Chase Oliver. The very definition of an 'Unserious' candidate.
Well. He shouldn't have ran on being gay. Sarc warned you guys.
It’s the only reason he did poorly.
I'd say it's because he supported Obama and was recently a hard Democrat.
At least he wasn’t a flaccid democrat.
That's why I rejected him. Gary wasn't perfect, but his "I'd let the gun go off" comment got my vote in 2016.
Apparently buggery does not garner many votes.
I don't know. I'd vote pretty hard not to get buggered.
To be fair, I think that's what a lot of people did in this election.
Well said!
Imagine my surprise! A candidate with only a gay identification to attract votes in an irrelevant party who didn't get any votes!
Who (other than TDS-addled shit-piles) could have seen that coming?!
Who did you vote for as dog-catcher?
When the LP runs a closet progressive, expect poor results.
^THIS^ "closet progressive".
Perhaps the LINO acronym needed some ground.
Regime Libertarians is what Lou Rockwell has called them for a decade.
Perfect way to say it ... "Regime Libertarians" +1000.
He is a shitty candidate. I'm actually disappointed in the Johnson interview here because I thought he was a decent candidate.
Jill fucking Stein is outperforming the Libertarian candidate. RFK is outperforming him as well despite him not wanting to be on the ballot and states refusing to remove.
Maybe, just maybe, Reason and some in the Libertarian party need to look in the mirror and question why they are so far out of line with others who claim libertarian leanings.
"Maybe, just maybe, Reason and some in the Libertarian party need to look in the mirror and question why they are so far out of line with others who claim libertarian leanings..."
Subscribed when the office was in Santa Barbara, contributed (with trepidation) to the office off I5 in LA. Refused to contribute to the office in DC, as it seemed the location and editorial content were both on an obvious curve.
Welsh, we've spoken several times; it has become obvious that you, as a bureaucrat, are more interested in protecting your position and income as opposed to advancing principles.
Go find a job on a D campaign, close the DC and LA offices and find someone who is still interested in libertarian principles to open an office in Ventura to put out the magazine.
Please FOAD; you have far outlived your value.
Searching... Searching... Searching...
Nope. No flaws in your argument.
Chase Oliver appeals to Pedo Jeffy and Sarc. So that right there tells us how truly libertarian he is.
It’s probably for the best. If he was any kind of threat to Harris, they might have called libertarians racist extremist and threats to democracy.
Well maybe if more Reason staffers had voted for him...
Strategically.
Everyone expect Liz, Nancy and maybe Robbie were strictly blue no matter who.
NYT has Trumps chance of winning up to 91% and taking popular vote.
Kamala campaign has gone dark.
That's racist.
A black cloud hangs over her campaign.
Governor Jay “polled below ‘other’ in 2020” Inslee mobilized the National Guard because of the ‘fear’ of post election violence. That statute that allows him to do so reads as thus:
Now, one can’t help but wonder if there was an incident any time in the last few years… in the state, in which there was tumult, riot, mob, or organized body acting together by force with intent to commit a felony or to offer violence to persons or property, or by force and violence to break and resist the laws of this state, or the United States.
If I think of one I’ll come back here and provide some links…
Aaaand oh shit, 'black bloc' protesters are already popping off in Seattle, reports showing multiple arrests made in clashes with the po-po.
WHERE IS HANK SMALLDICKS WITH MUUUUH SPOILEEER VOOOTES????????
DID YOU KNOW THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY PLATFORM OF 1970 LED DIRECTLY TO THE ROE V WADE DECISION
Hey Sandy. Did you watch EBO.com swing 70+ points in Trump's favor IN REAL TIME?
Props to you for showing up. Until you say something else that's either self-contradictory like "We'll see the real results once all the fraud is shaken out.", that's completely indistinguishable from what Nate Silver or JFree or some other BlueNoMatterWho propaganda bot would say, or both.
I admit I was wrong. I did not think the Democratic Party, given all its advantages, would suffer the most humiliating defeat in American history *twice* in an 8-year span.
As more numbers come in I'll try to identify exactly which detail(s) messed up my analysis the most. First hypothesis: "double haters" who hate Biden / Harris for policy reasons (inflation, border) and hate Trump for personal reasons (embarrassing clown) might have voted for Trump at much higher rates than I expected.
Trying to imagine the mind of a hypothetical double-hater like that: They hate Biden / Harris for reasons of material substance and Trump for reasons of appearance/style/dignity. Essentials may matter more to somebody like that, especially if somebody like that has the capacity to hate a president for economic reasons (i.e. is not or has not always been divorced from economic necessities).
Dignity/appearance is important, but compared to the others it’s a need that is… a “higher psychological derivative”? Somewhat secondary? It doesn’t matter if the voter suffers materially in real terms, what matters is whether they believe they do.
Prediction markets did miss the popular vote though.
Huh, word on the street is, Star County, TX, THE most Hispanic county in the country just went for Trump by 16 points. Last time this county voted Republican was something like 1862.
This may be the story of the night.
Chuck Todd, discussing this issue, just admitted that in 2016 that Trump owned working class whites, and now he's adding working class minorities.
LP is dead. Very probably the identifier 'libertarian' is dead. If the party was serious, this would be the sort of election where you rethink the strategy. But neither the party nor the ideology is serious.
They did rethink the strategy, and the party went full DNC, ousting anything that smacked of "populism".
Take the success of Ron Paul... and make a hard u turn to blm and identitarian politics.
If it turns out to be what got rid of Kamala, we should probably send them a thank you note.
It can be sarcastic, as the 'gift' is a joke, but at least the joke pisses off all the right people.
The title of libertarian (small L) is held rather well by the Pauls and the Massies out there.
Fuck Chase. Fuck Reason. Fuck Hollywood. Fuck lawfare. Fuck complicit media. Fuck inflation. Fuck open borders. Fuck lockdowns. Fuck school closures. Fuck dudes with testicles winning women's sports. Fuck decriminalized crime. Fuck Joe Biden. Fuck Barry Obama. Fuck Hillary Clinton. And fuck YOU, Kackles.
I see no flaws in your argument.
I do - he missed the ladies of the View - especially the faux conservative.
I hope all those Hollywood celebrities who endorsed Harris get taken down with the Diddy prosecution. It’s punishment time.
L.P. presidential nominee Chase Oliver is on pace to underperform compared to the party's most recent presidential tickets, though it's not clear whether that is a reflection of his candidacy, the party apparatus, the state of electoral politics in 2024, or all of the above.
Chase Oliver's entire claim to fame was "forcing" a Senate runoff in Georgia. He did that by dramatically underperforming against other Libertarians who have run for Senate in Georgia. His CLAIM TO FAME is on being a worse candidate drawing fewer votes and a lower percentage of the vote.
It shouldn't be a surprise that he's also a bad candidate for President. What is surprising is that so many libertarians thought he was promising based on absolutely nothing.
"Underperforming" might as well be his middle name.
Is it really "under"performing? I mean, he performed exactly as everyone expected he would.
If they expected this, he wouldn’t have been nominated. They SHOULD have expected this. I know the Reasonistas want to blame the Mises Caucus for not supporting him. Their failure is actually to find anyone serious enough to beat him at the convention-their preferred candidate stumbling through a speech because he was high is pretty shameful.
If they had gotten Kurt Russel to run they may have made a difference. Thank GOD they couldn't\didn't do that!
What's with the horrible fit on his shirt? Was that shirt manufactured by blind retarded prison labor?
The shirt color matches the politics.
Straight eye for the queer guy?
What did you think empty suit filler was going to look like in a polo shirt?
Besides him being a Democrat, he had absolutely no charisma
He had the jizz, but not the rizz?
I’m going to start using that phrase in every possible situation.
I've played up how much of a loser I think he is, in terms of being a candidate. I don't think I'm really down on him, at some point, becoming a serious libertarian candidate. The problem is that he's not that, and he doesn't seem to realize he's not. He went straight off his failed Senate run, not realizing it was a failed run, and he was immediately talking about running for President.
He didn't try to build on himself as a local candidate, as a native Georgian who was tied into any community. He didn't build the party. He was hailed as a darling by liberal media who crowned him an extremely influential libertarian because they gave him credit for affecting the Georgia election that swung the balance of the Senate, but he wasn't actually that influential. He didn't realize he needed to do more and build his profile and assumed all the attention made him popular. He's not. The liberals who liked him for affecting a Georgia race are not his voter base.
Does he come in fourth?
It depends. Sometimes Fourth is the top.
Or the bottom. Perhaps it works both way with him.
MSNBC just went on a whole spiel about how people shouldn't be jumping off bridges if Trump + Senate + House happens, because of how great our democracy is with checks and balances...
But I thought democracy was supposed to be over. Were they lying?
They promised us no more elections if Trump wins.
It's okay, I won't hold them to it.
But there should be deportations to Canada. All those losers should be forced to make good on their threats before we start sending migrants back.
There's a good chance the Senate and House both reverse, which is just wild. I'm not a historian on elections but I'd be surprised if there are many elections in which the legislature was divided, and in the same election you had both houses of the legislature flip, remaining a divided legislature. Even more rare would be it coinciding with a Presidential election in which the party in the White House changes.
Even more, more rare for second, non-sequential WH term! Firstest everest in modern historicest even!
A first second. You don’t get that 2 many times.
...wait, I think we just did!
PA called for Trump. Just need Alaska and it is over.
At that moment, Jeff will start singing.
Someone should run a Chi-squared test to see if Oliver’s votes just came from people fucking up their ballots, or even counting error by the machines.
"Terrible system called the Electoral College" - nerd on MSNBC
Wonder how they’ll justify that remark if Trump hangs onto his lead in the popular vote.
There's only two options from here:
a) The right libertarians and left libertarians agree to part ways and join the two major parties and try and push them in a more libertarian direction. And the LP goes away.
b) The LP narrows its focus to a few no brainer issues (eg, no wars, cut spending, free speech) and stop with the assorted weirdery and try and move forward as a unified party. And try and be THE third party.
3: The left Libertarians create a new movement, called Libertarian Plus. Reason writers join.
IV. ENB takes her family to a live on a Sex Work compound, and she becomes the David Koresh of the movement.
Five: Nick Gillespie joins Bill Maher as a co-host and periodically shouts: What's up with this coocoo bananas thing where a man can claim he's a woman?!!
六 Sullum becomes a senior fellow of the Unpopulist and does guest articles on Shikha Dalmia's substack.
One of the problems the LP has is that many republicans now agree on legalizing, or at least decriminalizing, marijuana. Republicans being in favor of draconian policies on drugs was one of the big support struts holding up the party.
The fact that Republicans are coming around is actually a libertarian victory. They just need to stop declaring war on substances in general anytime someone claims there’s an opioid epidemic.
The way forward involves putting actual serious candidates on the ballot. “Here’s my proposal to cut spending.” And not just general terms like abolishing the DoE, but extremely specific policies detailing how departments will be dismantled, forcing Congress to pass line-item budgets instead of omnibus bills, etc. Audit the Pentagon.
Free market principles above all, and less focus on whether someone sounds offensive or vulgar or racist. Who gives a fuck if you’re rude, focus on being right.
Incorrect.
WRT option B: “Your pet cause is not special. Fuck you, cut spending.” was already rejected in favor of “Bake the cake.” and “Chemical castration for children is a Presidential issue.”
As has been pointed out before and repeatedly, you would think if there was one issue or coherent set of policies that would solidify and rally actual libertarians in opposition, it would be destroying the economy by locking people in their homes, out of Churches and out of bars, and the suggestion of vaccine passports/mandates. Again, instead we got potentially the biggest COVIDiot possible.
The LP as a political party needs to die, and good riddance. It, per the Tweet that’s been posted multiple times, needs to transform into something more like a libertarian social club or action committee.
I agree on the COVID stuff. I mean how do you blow that layup as a libertarian? That wing of the party, a whole bunch of people writing at reason, the Cato folks all of them seemed disinterested in the massive repression of the most basic of rights.
They really seemed to be more interested in being left than being libertarian. And if that continues in the LP, it's a wrap.
You don’t say?
I don't think we can talk about underperforming by dropping from 0.6 percent of the vote to 0.3 percent of the vote ... can we? But by all means if the Freedom Cosplay Party enjoys wasting their time on going through the motions, Party On! When my fellow Libertarians finally get serious about having a say in American government, they will start to focus on actually reforming the system for electing representatives. Until we have Proportional Representation in all fifty state legislatures and in Congress, running candidates is pointless. There is only one possible outcome after every election cycle with the two party system: a Democrat or a Republican will win.
Chase's "Libertarian" cosplay failed spectacularly? Nobody was surprised.
L.P. presidential nominee Chase Oliver was a poor candidate in an election cycle where the LP candidate was going to perform poorly regardless, however Chase Oliver performed poorly even accepting this.
The problem with Libertarians is that far too many of them live in their own dream world without attachment to reality. The fact is that the Libertarian party has not gained any traction with the old guard and they complain about any attempts to become relevant.
The Libertarian party needs eyeballs, not purists. Getting 60% or even 40% of what you want is better than getting nothing at all. You have to meet people where they are at and slowly move them towards your position. Hoping that people will come to your position because you feel morally superior only makes you lonely.
I know because I'm a small "L" libertarian otherwise know as an independent. I typically vote Libertarian, but am very disappointed in the Libertarian party. There was some hope for relevance with inviting presidential candidates to speak at the national convention and holding discussions with them to discuss libertarian ideas.
Choosing Chase Oliver as the nominee, was a setback towards relevance and his complete lack of attention is not completely the result of this super charged election. A large portion of the lack of relevance rests at the feet of Chase Oliver himself.
The problem with Libertarians is that far too many of them live in their own dream world without attachment to reality. The fact is that the Libertarian party has not gained any traction with the old guard and they complain about any attempts to become relevant.
The dream world observation is about right. To state what should be an obvious truism, a candidate that wants to get a significant number of votes needs to promote policies and laws that a significant number of voters want to see enacted. Libertarians live in a space occupied by ideology and hypotheticals. That space is not the real world where you have to deal with the many, many details of governing. A large number of voters will express agreement with the idea of reducing government spending, but they stop doing that once it is becomes clear that something they like would need to be cut. A large number of voters will express support for reducing U.S. interventionism and military spending and support for other countries, but they want to make exceptions for the countries they like, and they definitely don't want to see the military base near their town closed or the defense contracts that support local jobs cancelled.
The two major parties are the only parties with significant support because they are the ones that compromise their ideals in order to build viable coalitions that can get them elected. That is absolutely necessary to have relevance in a first-past-the-post electoral system like in the U.S.
Beat by a guy not even running!
Libertarian party is to politics as Reason is to journalism.
So "everybody who disagrees with my absolutism is a racist" isn't a winning message?
Maybe it's because that message is already championed by a different, larger, and far more successful party.
I still fail to understand why the Libertarian party runs a Presidential candidate that will never win and does not focus on lower offices that might be obtainable.
> The 2016 and 2020 elections were the best in the party's history, but 2024 looks likely to fall far short.
Because the Libertarian Party literally turned its back on its own candidate and chose to explicitly endorse the authoritarian Republican Candidate and the addled junior Kennedy.
Republicans are no longer conservative, Democrats no longer liberal, and Libertarians no longer libertarian.
The only people making a big deal about him being gay were the riff-raff that the Mises Caucus dragged in to the party. Quite a shame given that the LP was calling for the legalization of gay marriage decades before the Democrats decided it was safe for them to do so.
If you paid even a little attention at all to Chase’s campaign, visited his website, or listened to any of his interviews, his campaign was standard libertarian stuff.
I’m still not sure why the Mises guys just don’t join the Republican Party given that they’re more comfortable and aligned there.
Dude the guy supported using tax dollar for sex change operations for prisoners. What the f?
He is for open borders, abortion and sexually mutilating mentally ill kids..basically all the stupid positions of left libertarians. Without morality, libertarianism is degeneracy. Mr. Oliver was a degenerate.