Why Results From Some Swing States Could Take Days
Blame bad laws, not fraud, for delays in vote counting in some swing states.

All votes count equally but not all votes are counted the same.
That's why the outcome of key races might not be known until days after this week's Election Day.
In two swing states—Pennsylvania and Wisconsin—election workers are prohibited by state law from processing absentee and mail-in ballots until Election Day. More than 2 million voters in Pennsylvania have requested mail-in ballots this year, and more than 80 percent have already been returned. In other states, those returned ballots would be getting opened, verified, and counted already—and those totals would be quickly reported once the polls closed. In Pennsylvania, however, that won't happen.
The same thing is true in Wisconsin, where about 500,000 mail-in ballots have been requested. If either state's presidential election is close, which seems likely, it will likely be impossible to declare a winner on Tuesday. And if either state is critical to determining the overall winner, which also seems possible, the outcome of the election may remain uncertain for several days.
Pennsylvania Secretary of State Al Schmidt, a Republican, told NPR two weeks ago that it is unlikely that a winner will be determined before the clock strikes midnight on Election Day.
That's what happened in Pennsylvania (and other states) four years ago. Joe Biden led briefly on election night, but Donald Trump pulled ahead as more votes were tabulated. In the days following the election, as the piles of mail-in ballots were counted, the Keystone State swung back toward Biden, who ultimately won the state by about 80,000 votes.
On its own, that delay is not evidence of fraud by voters or election workers. Processing mail-in ballots takes longer than counting in-person votes—each ballot has to be opened by hand, verified, and counted. States like Pennsylvania should be better prepared to do that than they were in 2020, but it still takes time.
"Our elections have never been more safe and secure with a voter-verified paper ballot record of every vote that's cast in every election," Schmidt told Pittsburgh magazine this week. "I have no concerns about the accuracy of the process, and then if any issues did arise, then they would become immediately apparent."
Indeed, it takes weeks for the results of the election to be made official. That happens only after precinct, county, and state officials, in turn, verify tallies, conduct audits, and certify the results.
Still, having quick and accurate unofficial counts on Election Day itself helps to head off claims of malfeasance. That's why the smart thing to do is allow election workers to get a head start on mail-in ballots received prior to Election Day. In Florida, for example, processing of mail-in ballots begins weeks before Election Day, and the state has become an exemplar for reporting fast, accurate results while also giving residents a lot of flexibility in how they cast their votes.
Arizona and Nevada are two other crucial states where results could take a while to come in—even though both states allow mail-in ballots to be processed before Election Day. One big hurdle in Arizona is the length of the ballot itself, which means more time is needed to record the results on each ballot. Nevada, meanwhile, allows mail-in ballots to count if they are received within four days after the election (as long as they are postmarked by Election Day).
One final state to keep an eye on is North Carolina. A change in state law this year means that in-person early votes cannot be tabulated until the polls close on Election Day. State officials are warning that the change could delay the reporting of vote totals in some counties—though results that include the early vote should be reported by midnight on Election Day, according to the North Carolina Department of State.
Back in Pennsylvania, it's been partisan politics that has stood in the way of speeding up the vote-counting process. After the delays that plagued the 2020 election, a bipartisan state commission recommended changes to allow counties to pre-process mailed-in ballots that arrived before election day. A Democrat-backed proposal to do that was blocked by Republicans in the state Senate. Previously, a voter ID bill that also included a five-day pre-processing period was vetoed by then-Gov. Tom Wolf, a Democrat.
Those dueling proposals, and their failure to become law, means that residents of Pennsylvania (and perhaps all Americans) will face another potentially agonizing wait to see which candidate has won the presidency (and perhaps control of the U.S. Senate too).
When those delays inevitably arrive, keep in mind that it's likely not due to voter fraud or incompetent election workers. Rather, it is politics and politicians—likely some of the same ones who will seize on the delay to spread wild theories about rigged contests—that are to blame.
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But if the EC votes aren’t certified by 12:00:00 American Mean Time on Jan. 6th, Western Civilization turns back into a pumpkin!
It's mail-in and drop-off ballots. These delays don't occur when 98%+ of the vote is cast in person, early or on election day.
I would pay so much damn money if the leaders in republican districts would finally get some fucking brains and say "We're no longer going to turn in our results first, we're just going to sit here and hold onto our numbers and wait until the bog city democrats stop counting."
It would throw everything into utter chaos and expose this new ridiculous system for the complete and total farce that it is.
Bad Laws - designed to abet Fraud. That’s the point
He's describing a system that allows and encourages fraud while ignoring instances where these functions appear to have been exploited. It's also interesting that he uses PA as the core to his argument and ignores the shenanigans currently happening.
Yes, there is fraud. It looks like the fraud is widespread and systemic.
Never ascribe to incompetence what is better assumed to be malice.
In person voting doesn't lead to "ballot curing" or divining the intention of voters who cast spoiled ballots. All of this bad shit started with and after the 2000 election.
Hanging chads, anyone?
I envisioned a mass execution at a frat house.
Weird how many countries are able to count multiple times more votes in far less time?
That is not bad laws.
It IS fraud.
Even if it is bad laws, it's bad laws in service of fraud. Every bad law allows the vote window to be opened further and requires less verification or intentionally includes people that shouldn't be included. You really only need a fridge temp IQ to figure that out, but it is apparently beyond Boehm.
Boehm knows this. He’s a hack lying for the regime.
I was being nice and calling him an imbecile and not actively malevolent.
Eventually, per history and exemplars of such malevolence, it’s probably going to have to get to the point where you’re going to have take people like him and nicely, politely, sever their heads from the rest of their body before they start to get the point.
Potentially even then some of them will still need garroted or to have their fingernails and toenails pulled out before they’re drawn and quartered, but that’s going to depend on how “imbecilic” they are.
Fuck you & your bullshit, Eric.
Why Results From Some Swing States Could Take Days
Math is racist?
And the democrats need time to cheat their way to victory.
If Trump wins then they rooted all the fraud out of the system.
If he loses then then it's a disease that's taken root.
That's how you tell.
By who. Not what.
If Trump wins, it is in spite of the fraud.
You'll defend any/all corruption as long as Trump is the victim. Nothing illegal is too great as long as it defeats Trump. And punishing the perpetrators is wrong because they only abused Trump.
It really is a strange hill to die on.
To be fair, his only friend in the world is online and a morbidly obese pedophile Sorosite Marxist masquerading as a libertarian.
“Still, having quick and accurate unofficial counts on Election Day itself helps to head off claims of malfeasance. That’s why the smart thing to do is allow election workers to get a head start on mail-in ballots received prior to Election Day.”
That’s why the smart thing to do is limit mail-in ballots to genuine absentees and people whose disabilities keep them from the polls.
RACIST!
Mail-in balloting was once considered the form of voting most susceptible to fraud, and was considered a poor idea across party lines.
Then all of the sudden in 2020 it became the safest most bestest thing of all time. We can either halt the practice except in the most limited of exceptions, or we can forget about having secure elections.
Mail-in balloting was once considered the form of voting most susceptible to fraud, and was considered a poor idea across party lines.
Throughout the Western World. The Post Office was to be relied upon to deliver Grandma's birthday cards, Sunday supermarket coupons, Selective Service and Jury Summons papers, and not much else. If your choice was between The Post Office or King Charles' men, The Post Office was preferred. The ostensible "libertarians" involving the Post Office further in the service of elections is retarded/oxymoronic schadenfreude. If you wouldn't trust you local mailman or police officer to hold on to your phone for a week, a day, or even 5 min., why the fuck would you trust them with your vote any longer than absolutely necessary?
"Blame bad laws, not fraud, for delays in vote counting in some swing states."
This is true.
Corruption-free states like my old home state of Illinois, the Land of Lenin, still count the votes from all those dead people who took the time and trouble to get out of their coffins and urns to vote for the democrat or of their choice.
Keep an eye on Florida, and when they report.
Two page ballot with lots of contentious amendments like abortion and marijuana.
Over 23 million people.
13,845,913 registered voters.
I bet they get it done on time.
Again.
An extended period for counting votes is not prima facia evidence of electoral fraud. But, only an absolute fool would think it doesn't significantly increase the likelihood of fraud. The process becomes less transparent. Ballots are taken from untraceable sources. Provisional totals are known and the amount of fraud necessary is known. Unsurprisingly the people advocating for the drivers of these delays seem to never want better scrutiny of the process.
Boehm, we understand, it is (D)ifferent this time.
In Lancaster County 17% of a group of 2500 voter registrations were deemed fraudulent. 26% have not been able to be verified as legitimate but are believed to be probably fraudulent.
The group responsible is named Field+Media Corps out of Arizona. They contract with Everybody Votes who "is a national coordinating body focused on narrowing the voter registration gap in communities of color."
Field+Media Corps website has gone dark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orbJ4oYZGwk
I'm assuming this was found because the Republicans actually have control of Lancaster County.
Apparently there was even more ballots submitted by this group in York County that were also flagged. And York County is also Republican run. I'm sure if they had done the same sort of thing in Philadelphia County those would have been flagged by the diligent election workers there as well.
How much absolutely retarded nonsense do the writers of Reason expect us to take?
I swear this has quickly become one of those sites where you can read the first paragraph of a piece, see how asinine it will become, and go straight to comments where the rational people are.
A couple more weeks and you can read the headline, the author and head to the comments.
No need to hurt your brain on the first few paragraphs.
I can already 100% do that with any article by Billy, Ceej, Jakey, Emma, and ENB.
They're one note. Constantly banging the same drum, constantly drumming the same mindless narrative.
They're NPCs.
There's articles? I thought that was all just ads above the comments.
Glenn Greenwald has this same question.
https://rumble.com/v5k7s2q-why-cant-the-u.s.-count-votes-on-election-day.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp
It's because of fraud. Kill yourself you sub human cancer.
Deadlines were put in place for a reason. Old time vote fraud often occurred after the real vote was finished. The fraudsters would claim that they were still tabulating votes and just needed more time to finish the count as they filled out the ballots they needed for the win. So deadlines were created to block this fraud. The simple solution is to create a deadline where any ballots not counted before the deadline are null and void. 24 hours should be sufficient. If you don't think it's possible to do start hiring more people to count the votes or add more machines. Prepare to keep counting for the entire 24 hours if necessary.
Also if you want us to accept election results the process needs to be transparent with live feeds of all the vote tabulations and the entire building where they occur. I want to see not only the votes being counted but everyone who arrives and leaves and every vehicle that arrives and leaves.
The bad laws are designed to allow fraud, therefore, there is fraud.
There will never be any trust in our elections until there is a requirement to present an ID in order to vote. It is insulting to the very people that you claim can't get an ID, because having an ID is required for so much of daily life.
These people who you claim are being harmed, can't buy a drink at a bar, can't even attend many political rallies for the very politicians who are against Voter ID laws.
Without voter ID requirements, there is no method to check for fraud, so there so there could be out of control levels of fraud or very little, but we will never know which is true. Claiming that there is very little fraud, but having no method to detect the fraud is deeply dishonest.
Personally, I don't have an opinion on how much fraud there is. I believe that it takes place, because we are after all human and some people will cheat if the opportunity presents itself.
There is likely more fraud is some areas than in other areas, but without the ability to monitor there is no way to know if fraud has the ability to alter an election. Remember that the vast majority of elections have relatively small numbers of votes. For example, a city council member could win by a landslide with a mere thousand votes.
As an independent living in a deep blue state, the majority of my friends, acquaintance, co-workers, and neighbors are Democrats. On top of that I live in a district that is one of the deepest blue in the state.
I remember the all the claims of voter/election fraud by Democrats in Bush/Gore and still have friends who to this day will bring it up making these claims. And there was the Clinton/Trump election, which I still hear the same claims of voter fraud. However with Biden/Trump, the claims of voter fraud are met with the polar opposite with these same people claiming that our elections are safe and secure, that even questioning the results is a crime against democracy.
The double standard is both appalling and deeply disturbing. I don't like the levels of distrust in our elections on either side. A Voter ID requirement is a simple step that can be taken to begin to restore the credibility of our elections.
Blame bad laws, not fraud
The former begets the latter.
I think PA doesn’t even count the unopened ballots as they are received. Otherwise, it would be harder to add a pile of ginned-up ballots all voting for Harris at 2AM on Thursday night. “Why do we have 1.2M ballots today when we only received 1M ballots before election day and only 30K more since?” Not that anyone in PA would ask such a question…
Would be helpful, like Georgia's recent attempt (thwarted by courts) to issue a “This many people voted” count BEFORE counting the votes themselves. Since it would help prevent some kinds of cheating, it is fought tooth and nail.