National Service Won't Win More Men for Democrats
Harris won’t fix her men problem by listening to pundits.

You may have heard that Vice President Kamala Harris is struggling to win male voters, and young male voters in particular. Unsurprisingly, the pundit class has been lining up to offer Harris advice on how to change that.
Some of the advice leaves me wondering if these pundits have ever actually met any young men.
Take this op-ed published by The New York Times on October 21. Author John Della Volpe, director of polling at the Harvard Kennedy School Institute of Politics, suggests that Harris needs to "go big," offering "a bold vision that speaks to [young men's] desire for purpose and strength" and reignites "the hope of the emerging generation." OK, OK, and just how should she do this? By making a "sweeping national call to both military and civilian service" called the "Generation Z Compact to Rebuild and Renew America," writes Volpe, going on to extoll the virtues of mandatory national service.
Because if there's one way to young men's hearts, it's…forced volunteer work? Hmmmm.
To illustrate why this could work, Volpe links to a Hill op-ed by New York attorney Steve Cohen, who wrote that in a poll he sponsored himself (and does not link to), 75 percent of young people supported the idea of mandatory national service. I found a basic overview of this poll on Cohen's website. It was not conducted by a polling firm but by using online software called QuestionPro. It included about 1,000 participants, with roughly half between the ages of 18 and 24, and just 33 percent men. It does not say how participants were recruited, whether they constituted a nationally representative sample, or how the poll was conducted.
Meanwhile, a 2017 Gallup Poll found that 57 percent of respondents under age 30 opposed the idea of a mandatory year of national service for young Americans and only 39 percent supported it.
As for a "sweeping call" to military service, I don't think we need polling to tell us how this would play out. Young people face no shortage of enticements to join the military, and not a lot of barriers to doing so. That they don't enlist in larger numbers probably suggests that there's not a huge audience out there for political candidates who want to talk them into it.
Another suggestion—albeit much less sweeping in scope—that keeps getting mentioned is for Harris to go on Joe Rogan's podcast. Rogan is very popular with young men, and also popular among former President Donald Trump supporters. "In the year's first wave of New York Times/Siena College battleground polls back in May, the No. 1 predictor of whether someone had defected from Joe Biden was whether the respondent was Middle Eastern or North African — a sign of the political toll of the war in Gaza The No. 2 predictor? Whether the respondent had a very favorable view of the podcaster Joe Rogan," Nate Cohn noted in The New York Times a few days ago.
Listening to The Joe Rogan Experience obviously doesn't make people into Trump voters, and Rogan himself is at least somewhat politically heterodox, but the podcast host is popular among a certain sort of disaffected Democrat. And yet, the idea that Harris getting an audience with these people would win them back to the Democrats' side is questionable.
Harris is not particularly good at off-the-cuff interviews, and certainly not one to ooze authenticity and charisma in unfamiliar territory. It's hard to imagine her doing well on Rogan's podcast, let alone well enough to win over people presumably bringing with them certain grievances about the mainstream left that Harris has no answer for. This is probably not an audience that wants to hear about how Harris will lower their grocery bills.
Going on Rogan's podcast would (probably) be way less of a disaster than suggesting we conscript young adults into forced government service. Voters should want candidates who are willing to talk at length about their ideas and their backgrounds, especially in forums that may not be totally friendly. More candidate interviews are a good thing, especially for a candidate who arrived late to the game under unusual circumstances and initially shied away from candid interviews.
But while probably not damaging, I don't think it would do Harris a whole lot of good either. And the idea that it would seems like wishful thinking from people blind to their preferred candidates' weak spots.
Then there's what the campaign is actually doing to reach men: "advertising on sportsbooks and fantasy sports sites; on video game sites like IGN; and during college football, NBA, NFL, and MLB playoff broadcasts," Slate reports. Again, not an idea that's likely to hurt Harris, but broadcasting the same old messages in different spots doesn't seem likely to pick up many men either.
In reality, there's probably not much Harris can do at this point. Men have long leaned more conservative, and gender gaps in candidate choice and partisan identification long predate her. Even more recent changes among young people are likely less due to any specific actions or policies by Harris or vice presidential candidate Tim Waltz, and more related to the overall vibe of the Democratic Party in the past decade or so.
Democrats aren't going to turn any of this around in time for the 2024 election. It's something the party probably needs to consider in a more holistic way than whether it needs more ads during sports broadcasts.
As Richard Reeves, President of the American Institute for Boys and Men, told Newsweek, "I don't think it's a stampede to the right. I think it's more a detachment away from the left." If Reeves is right, the problem for Harris is that they have lost interest in her brand of Democratic politics and the progressive style that has been in fashion for the last decade or so. She's probably not going to solve that problem by offering men more of the same but in different venues.
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Democrats: forever the party of slavery.
Harris more so than most:
https://prospect.org/justice/how-kamala-harris-fought-to-keep-nonviolent-prisoners-locked-up/
Fortunately she's not actually going to be in charge if she wins. Unfortunately people as bad or worse will be.
No, no. Like Kalamity, they are all in on fweedom. You just don't appreciate their version.
ENB need to worry less about national service and more about sandwich service.
No young man wants to get conscripted to fight for Israel or Goldman Sachs...and most are figuring out "feminism" is a loser for them...govt is just another big mouth girlfriend screaming at them. The best way young men forward is to ignore American women..go overseas..the women in South America or Asia value traditional relationships...do not marry an American "woke feminist you won't ever be happy.
Passport bros is a growing trend.
govt is just another big mouth girlfriend screaming at them.
This seriously needs to be the next Libertarian candidate's campaign slogan.
It certainly won’t be that of the current offering.
Harris is incapable of solving any of our national problems much less her own men problems.
What has she ever accomplished?
Being Willie's side chick? never having kids. Marrying a guy who knocked up the nanny and forced her to have an abortion. You know the kind of accomplishments ENB values...
More collectivism is going to accomplish what?
And how low will the physical standards have to be lowered to for accepting these new recruits?
Buy stock in brown shirt manufacturing firms.
Nope.
Black shirts.
Antifa follows Italy, not Germany.
This is why I love the idiotic "Men do not have any federal laws governing their bodies"
Do you idiots not realize that selective service is the epitome of a law governing somebody's body?
I did not know anyone was actually saying that. But it sounds absolutely believable. There are an awful lot of self-absorbed ninnies in the world.
Fairly common refrain from feminists bitching about how unfair abortion laws are.
I'm more used to complaints about how unfair jobs are, rebutted by questions about why women avoid the dangerous jobs like fishing, logging, etc, and why maybe we should start locking up random women to even out the prison population.
Now you’re just arguing with the voices in your pointed head.
It's about as bad when they say abortions should be as easy as buying a gun. Okay, mandatory background checks for all abortions, if you have a criminal convection no abortions for you, if you not 18 you can't get an abortion, or 21 for certain types of abortions (say the morning after pill and such assault abortions?), red flag laws for abortions, etc.
And there needs to be an ‘assault abortion’ ban.
Two week abortion waiting periods, background checks, and no high capacity abortions. And a state permit to be able to have an abortion.
Filing for the permit gets you immediately charged with carrying a concealed clumps of cells without a permit.
Any unpaid debt or unpaid spousal support, no abortion for you. Any DUIs, no abortion for you. Smoked a little weed in a state where it is legal, no abortion for you.
Heels Up knows better than anyone about how to get male support.
I honestly dont see how any grown man can vote for Harris. It blows my mind she is even making it a contest.
It's likely more Trump than Harris. That's how we got Weekend at Biden's.
Yeah. Democrats have, literally, zero standards for candidates.
You misspelled election fraud there sweetheart. Hell, Uncle Joe even bragged about having the biggest election fraud machine in history.
Do you count creatures like Sarc, Pedo Jeffy and C3Pedo as ‘men’?
Tl;dr
Let me guess, ENB’s suggestion to Kamala to win over men is sex workers?
Gotta do something with all those illegals they let cross the border. Sorry, couldn't help myself.
Sex workers for votes seems like a plan I can really get behind.
Well, there is something in this election about getting fucked if a certain candidate wins.
You've got to love the implicit feminism of even male Democrats. For decades they touted the gender gap in electoral politics. Now, that they realize it works both ways, they're:
"Young men find us repulsive! How do we get them to change their minds about us?
Hey, we could try no longer demonizing them.
Are you crazy?!
Maybe we could try lightening up on the push to shift the economy from the 'caring' professions?
What misogynistic claptrap!!
I know! Let's demand they do stuff for us!!"
Of course, I'm sure they'll have cushy sinecures in store for their kids.
This the meme of the guy getting thrown out the window after voicing a logical but unpopular suggestion.
I'm willing to look stupid here, but that's a new term I've seen recently, but what exactly are the caring professions, because to my mind that's things like healthcare (which tends to be very female dominated).
Traditionally, nursing, teaching, and social work, with the obvious penumbras from that core set.
It's a more-established term in British English than American.
Kind of what I thought. Okay.
Translation of ENB-Speak below.
Harris is not particularly good at off-the-cuff interviews, and certainly not one to ooze authenticity and charisma in unfamiliar territory. Translation: Kamala sounds like a gibbering imbecile when speaking extemporaneously
This is probably not an audience that wants to hear about how Harris will lower their grocery bills. Translation: I know that the economy and inflation are a total fucking loser for Kamala, could we please stop talking about it!
Democrats aren't going to turn any of this around in time for the 2024 election. Translation: Oh shit, we're gonna lose, bigly.
This is probably not an audience that wants to hear about how Harris will lower their grocery bills.
I'm sure they are interested. They just aren't really receptive to word salad about anti-gouging laws from a politician who's part of the regime that jacked up their grocery bill in the first place. Especially when they know they haven't been the recipients of the largesse that caused the inflation.
The Democrats have nothing but thinly veiled contempt for the average Joe Rogan listener. And, despite what the Democrats think, the average Joe Rogan listener sees it. I doubt Kamala Harris has even the competence to even pretend for an hour and a half that she doesn't think of them like she would some creature from another planet.
KH won’t fix her men problem because she hates men.
Perhaps she resents the fact that she is stupid and worthless, but has gotten ahead serving powerful older men? Kind of like how angry Hillary is that she’s needed Bill to get anywhere.
Margaret Thatcher these democrat bitches ain’t.
She should campaign on reinstating the draft, given our likely involvement in the Middle East, Ukraine, and Taiwan if she wins.
B...but tariffs and handing out special favors!
Young men may have picked up on the fact that the political left, ya know, hates them to their very core.
And surprise, surprise many have decided to hate them back.
Many men hate themselves.
National Service Won’t Win More Men for Democrats
Harris won’t fix her men problem by listening to pundits.
Elizabeth Nolan Brown
Sorry Venkman, I’m terrified beyond the capacity for rational thought.
It's like wine moms leading the crazy cat ladies in an echo chamber designed by male feminists... like something out of Hellraiser.
totally my favorite line. absolutely underappreciated.
I get the impression we're not the target audience of this article and yet...
It's like some sort of 20s-era Kronenberg/Bizarro alternate dimension where women granted men the vote and they're trying to figure out if they should give them more or less conscription, abortions, or both.
Harris is not particularly good at off-the-cuff interviews, and certainly not one to ooze authenticity and charisma in unfamiliar territory. It's hard to imagine her doing well on Rogan's podcast, let alone well enough to win over people presumably bringing with them certain grievances about the mainstream left that Harris has no answer for.
It's hard to imagine her doing well in a tightly scripted interview, with pre-selected questions, a friendly host with whom she and her staff have consulted beforehand, and a team of editors to cut up and reformat the results to be more appealing to modern audiences.
Imagine her having to deal with Putin, Xi or Kim. I'm sure she can have Obama setup something through Cuba and the like minds can work something out.
“Harris speaks in Gypsy curses.”
Tim Dillon
"If you don't say what you know, no one will know you know it. You know?"--Kacklin' Kammy, probably.
>National Service Won't Win More Men for Democrats
It will when you force these people into service, with the zampolits down to the platoon level, allowing you to punish and reward immediately based on political reliability.
Its working as the US Naval Academy.
Yep. works just fine. Unless you want to actually, you know, sail a ship somewhere.
Over the past year, the Navy has had, on average, about 18,000 unfilled positions on its ships. The reason is pretty straightforward: There simply aren't enough sailors in the service because of ongoing recruiting challenges. In 2023, the Navy missed its recruiting goal by about 7,000 sailors.
Harris' biggest problem with male voters has nothing to do with policy. Marget Thatcher would not have that problem with Black or White males. Here's her problem: Whiners cannot be President.
Trump is no whiner. He is opposite and when dealing with Putin, China, Iran, etc, you cannot constantly whine the way she does. Even if one agreed with her policies, one would not want her to be promoting them.
I've been an atty for over 45 years and I cannot remember any atty who had a worse courtroom delivery.
Some one once asked me how I knew so much. I replied, "I don't know that much, I'm atty so I know how sound as if I know."
Trump, on the other hand, speaks with total conviction --- no matter how much he is lying. That's why people believe him rather than their own "lying eyes." LOL
"Trump is no whiner." He's too busy praising Puti, Xi and Kimmi. He wants to be them.
Men for Democrats
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Kamal should put some Venn diagrams over that turkey neck.
Obligatory shout-out to _Yes, Prime Minister_ for getting there 40 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahgjEjJkZks
We have Leftists calling for coercion into military and community service...but its the GOP who are the fascistic authoritarians.
Don't forget Democrats confiscating the wealth that people spent years of work to earn.
They’ve had this fetish for “mandatory national service” for a while, and even the right supported that stupid concept from time to time. Usually, it was from Boomers who mainlined JFK’s “ask not what your country can do for you” silliness. But even younger Dems like Mayor Chestfeed have promoted it.
I think they have this rose-colored idea of people signing up to work for the CCC or WPA, not remembering that people signed up for those programs because it was the Depression and everyone was fucking broke. A lot of military enlistees in the post-draft era are really only doing it for the veteran’s bennies and because they happen to need a job at the time.
Maybe if Kammie started making sandwiches.
Young people face no shortage of enticements to join the military, and not a lot of barriers to doing so. That they don’t enlist in larger numbers probably suggests that there’s not a huge audience out there for political candidates who want to talk them into it.
Talk about failing to understand the issue. The sole purpose of us creating a mercenary army was to ensure that the US could safely conduct permawars without any chance of anyone in the US ever again protesting. To ensure the govt is no longer accountable to ‘we the people’ re standing armies or corruption in fighting wars or corruption re a MIC etc.
The purpose of conscription – a militia system – was to ensure that govt was totally constrained in its ability to wage war. That the militia itself would effectively decide whether they would participate in the war – or avoid participating – and would effectively decide when the war ended and when its time to return home.
One might imagine that a ‘libertarian’ case could be made for a govt that is totally constrained in its ability to wage war. And for a ‘free’ people to play the controlling role in making that happen.
But of course not. And no - this has nothing to do with DeRp.
I wonder why men would feel that the Dems have anti-male animus?
Kamala Harris lives in a liberal echo chamber. This is why she comes across as being plastic. Her habit of answering questions with utter nonsense and fill words, repeating the question and looping phrases in multiple times without actually answering the question only makes the average voter less sure of what she stands for.
Perhaps she is using coded messages that people within the echo chamber understand, but people who live in the real world don't get it. Instead, real people hear a bunch on nonsense and tend to tune it out. Trump comes across as more authentic even if he is narcissistic and crass.
We are very sure what she stands for.
What scares me is that almost half of us claim to agree with her.
Well, I have found that I don't have much in common with the "men" who give her their full-throated endorsement.
I actually care about policy, not which v-neck t-shirt is the softest.