Last Night's Presidential Debate Was Refreshingly Strange and Earnest
Chase Oliver, Jill Stein, and Randal Terry fiercely debated whether the government should get much smaller, much larger, or much holier.

Last night, three people who know they're not going to be president but are running for the office anyway took the stage in Los Angeles for a spirited third-party debate.
At the debate hosted by Free and Equal, Libertarian Party nominee Chase Oliver, Green Party candidate Jill Stein, and Randal Terry of the Constitution Party argued about whether the government should get much smaller, much larger, or be totally reoriented toward Judeo-Christian values.
Being the ideological gadflies that they are, the third-party candidates all made refreshingly undistilled cases for their contrasting visions of government.
Oliver did an admirable job laying out the basics of libertarianism and then applying them to individual cases.
"If you're not harming other people with your behavior, your behavior is perfectly acceptable and should not be regulated by the government or any other entity," he said last night, arguing that we should eliminate zoning laws to make housing affordable, cut spending, sell federal land to bring down the debt, and stay out of foreign wars.
The other two candidates offered some fresh perspectives that were at least interesting to hear, even if they are not all necessarily advisable.
Terry argued we should build a wall on the northern border to keep the Canadians out, drill for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska to pay off the national debt, and eat raw broccoli to cure cancer.
Stein said building a wall on the southern border wouldn't stop drugs getting in from legal "portals of entry" but would devastate wildlife and natural ecosystems along the U.S.–Mexico border. She also perceptively argued we're stumbling into a wider war in the Middle East without any real acknowledgment or discussion.
The fact that everyone on stage knew they're not going to the White House opened up some room for productive agreement, particularly between Oliver and his two debate opponents.
The Libertarian nominee actively agreed with Stein that we should cut off foreign aid to Israel and nodded along to Terry's stirring anti–property tax rants.
One might think that the appeal of watching gadflies say wild things in a debate format would be diminished in a day and age when Donald Trump (who skipped last night's debate) is the Republican nominee.
Hardly. Last night's third-party debate managed to provide its own unique and refreshing brand of weird.
Whether it was the candidates offering nonmainstream diagnoses of widespread obesity, debate moderator Christina Tobin going on an extended riff about music's power to heal the psychological distress caused by "the system," or even just the sheer frequency of the musical guests (there was a musical break about every five minutes toward the end), the debate was all so delightfully strange.
With all that said, there were plenty of boring, awful, and false mainstream ideas that did get thrown around too.
Stein repeatedly argued that we could balance the federal budget by taxing the rich, cutting military spending, and passing Medicare for All. She called for emergency rent control and vacancy taxes to bring down the costs of housing. She said we could end mass illegal immigration by lifting sanctions on the socialist economies of Venezuela and Cuba.
In addition to being wrong, these ideas aren't anything you couldn't expect to hear from a progressive Democrat (or in the case of rent control and debt-reduction fantasies, a mainstream Democrat running for president).
Similarly, Terry dusted off the old Mitt Romney idea that millions of illegal immigrants could be made to "self-deport" if we made life miserable enough for them. His closing statement also ended with a call for the total destruction of the Democratic Party. One wonders why he doesn't just run as a Republican if he thinks one of the two major parties is that evil.
The silver lining of Terry and Stein aping Republican and Democratic talking points is it reinforced the notion that the Libertarian Party is the only real third party. Oliver wasn't representing a more extreme version of either mainstream party. He was presenting a unique message and a unique vision of government. It's a shame more mainstream audiences likely won't hear it.
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Moderator sounds like a piece of work who fit right in.
ETA to wonder why there's no video or audio link. Might be fun for a few minutes.
Who cares what Oliver says. He supported Obama. What? He only did that because he thought Obama was anti-war and became a libertarian after? Ummm, well who cares what he says because he supports mutilating children. What? He opposes surgery on minors? Well, who cares what he says, he doesn’t have the experience! That’s it! What? The point of supporting him is to give Libertarians ballot access and maybe a place on the major debate stage, not to get Chase into office? Well, voting for him is the same as voting for Harris! Yeah, that’s it! Spoiler! Spoiler!
please feel free to vote Oliver over Harris.
He’ll vote Harris.
Zero chance he'll vote Chase... probably because (and I know a lot of people don't know this) Chase is gay.
J D Vance was wrong about Chase.
Jeffy knows his best chance for pedophile friendly government policy comes from a Harris and Walz.
That sums up the looter appeals to ignore anyone whose platform calls for REPEALING some of the idiotic laws that confiscate assets, wreck the fractional-reserve banking system, trigger market crashes, create Hooverville prohibition slums, cause Great Depressions and result in tripling (1921) or even increasing sevenfold (1933) communist party membership. Jill and God's Own Girl-Bullier replay the looter prohibitionist fallacies of Bryan, Comstock, Debs, Populists and Prohibitionists whose combined 2% vote averages enacted Prohibition and the income tax.
Can someone turn Hank’s morphine drip up?
To 11 perhaps.
At the debate hosted by Free and Equal, Libertarian Party nominee Chase Oliver, Green Party candidate Jill Stein, and Randal Terry of the Constitution Party argued about whether the government should get much smaller, much larger, or be totally reoriented toward Judeo-Christian values.
Uh, if the Constitution Party is the “*re*oriented toward Judeo-Christian values” position, doesn’t that relegate Oliver to the territory of representative of the retarded/insane, dishonest, legally-morally-and-culturally-unmoored, progressive/techno-optimist position?
No, it "relegates" Oliver to those who want the freedom to live their lives without interference, as long as they abide by the same standard. The retarded/insane, dishonest, legally-morally-and-culturally-unmoored, progressive position to Trump and Harris, and their bands of political bullies they call "parties".
What was the carbon footprint of this snoozer?
Oliver did an admirable job laying out the basics of libertarianism and then applying them to individual cases.
ROTFLMFAO! What debate did you see, CB?
I saw two losers and a nebbish, unserious Team L candidate who could not tie answers together in a coherent theme.
BTW, Pres Trump showed up in person at the Team L convention to make his case. Say whatever you want about him, he actually showed up.
Didn't watch the debate or read the article yet, but I have to say: the guy with the big hair, i like the cut of his jib. seems like a real straight shooter.
He looks like Cornell West in whiteface.
They should do battle. Maybe a Thunderdome style death match. With Harris present, riding on Walz’ back screaming “KamalaWalz runs Bartertown!”.
I’m surmising that’s Randal Terry of the Constitution Party running in favor of “totally reorienting the country toward Judeo-Christian values”, which would, seemingly, put everyone else, one way or another or to some degree, in the camp of supporting FGM, castrating children, masking women, tearing down historic statues, transorbital lobotomies, regarding foreign and dark-skinned people more highly for their mystical diversity powers, and tossing virgins into volcanoes to appease the sky gods.
I left out opposing The Constitution.
Again, not that they actively support all of that to the hilt, but if they actively opposed all of it to the hilt, they generally wouldn't be on their respective platforms. If we can say that the Harrs/Trump or DNC/GOP platform opposes liberty, The Constitution, and government constraint; then there's no reason we can't say that Oliver/The LP and Stein/The GP don't as well on pretty much the same grounds.
Is holier a euphemism for gayer?
It's a euphemism for George Wallace. Wallace was really big on bullying bitches and having cops beat up blacks even before he was made holier. For a while there he was the polled Dem runner-up in case Teddy Chappaquiddick were booted out of the race. https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2017/11/17/electoral-spoiler-votes-1968/
"It’s a euphemism for George Wallace."
The shit you make up...
By ‘make up’, do you mean ‘dementia fueled hallucination’?
Britches opens with kleptocracy BS. If some Trump-hating Republican kills BOTH major candidates, these three may proceed to vie for Designated Survivor. More important is that the LP accidentally elected Trump by reshuffling 127 spoiled electoral vote races. With less than a dime's difference btwn the looters, our 2% to 5% take could again decide the election as in 2016. So here we have sincere fascist and communist brainwashees demanding more coercion and Chase Oliver seeking greater freedom. Prohibition and the communist income tax were passed by looters with as few votes as Jill and Army Of God here.
" . . . three people who know they're not going to be president . . . "
Make up a presidential debate? Only at Reason.
Chase Oliver, Jill Stein, and Randal Terry walk in to bar.
The bartender takes one look and says "What is this, a joke?".
Trump's monkeypox of Christian National Socialism--eager to shoot hippies, hate Haitians and increase female deaths in childbed--has creeped northward. Today's Canadian politician promises: "When I am prime minister, no laws or rules will be passed that restrict women's reproductive choices." Silver Shirt Terry is right to worry that individual rights for women is a vote-getter up north. The places it isn't, Minot, Billings and JugendKorps, are the only ones at which Canadians do not oppose adding a border wall.
“Trump’s monkeypox of Christian National Socialism”
A refreshing change from the OG National Socialists who were baby killing Neo-Pagans like you.
Noted that Trump skipped the debate. Does that mean Kamala was there? I don't see her in the picture.
there were plenty of boring, awful, and false mainstream ideas that did get thrown around too.
Noted that Stein did. Don't doubt it.
Noted that Terry did. Don't doubt it.
Noted that....oh wait nothing listed for Oliver. HE WAS PERFECT I assume then?
I do need a link to assess. Surely youtube would carry this.
Noted that Terry did. Don’t doubt it.
Noted that….oh wait nothing listed for Oliver. HE WAS PERFECT I assume then?
Again, the whole article is written as though Oliver's progressive, globohomo ideology was the founding intent of the nation, a foregone conclusion, and Terry is some sort of esoteric historic/religious/legal kook or cultist citing some obscure document to *re*orient the country otherwise.
'Last night, three people who know they're not going to be president but are running for the office anyway took the stage in Los Angeles for a spirited third-party debate.'
And last night, in bars across America, thousands of people who know they're not going to be president had spirited debates that meant as much as the cos-play President debate in Los Angeles. Actually, the bar room debates probably meant more.
And less than 1/3 of them were gay.
We're talking about the guy with the Jewfro and the purple tie, right? Because the other two looked like ladies men.
Purple tie and Jewfro looks like 50s-era 'gay'.
And I don't know what the Canadian ladies are going for these days, but this side of the border and several others, it's more Alan Ritchson, Dwayne Johnson, Liam Hemsworth, Henry Cavill, Zac Effron, Daniel Craig, and Jason Statham.
You can absolutely get a female date to go watch a movie with guys like Robert Pattinson, Neil Patrick Harris, and Chase Oliver, but she'll be younger, it will have Kristen Stewart in it, and you'll go as friends.
I tend to align more closely with the Constitution party candidates than the Libertarian nominees. That said, I haven't heard of this guy and am not sure it's worth my time to listen to this debate.
This was like watching Moe debate Larry debating Curley.
Curly was gay?!?!
The LP did a great job ensuring most libertarians vote Trump....thank you thank you thank you.
Never mind the Bollocks as a friend said..Vote Trump. I should have copyrighted that.
"...ended with a call for the total destruction of the Democratic Party. One wonders why he doesn't just run as a Republican if he thinks one of the two major parties is that evil."
Because it IS that evil.
One wonders why he doesn't just run as a Republican if he thinks one of the two major parties is that evil.
One might rightly or straightforwardly conclude that one was befuddled by the devil, blinded by their own hubris, or just plain, old-fashioned, stupid and lacking self-awareness to cast this stone at others while not seeing it in themselves.
Why no link given? Here it is. You're welcome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLCplaowzy8
It starts with a voice loudly whispering "Tell me when." Then the singer with fake eyelashes stops the national anthem in the middle and says "I fucked it up, can I go back please." Someone replies "It's live."
Somehow it seemed appropriately unprofessional.
"We can't be the world's police. But we can be the world's orphanage."
The Mises takeover was well deserved. Libertarians can still win local elections. There are a handful of good ones in CA. Let the good parts of libertarianism prevail, and the bad parts perish.
Your right to have gay sex and abort fetuses is just a TAD less important than me not dying in wars. You can't have open borders when two wars are raging and another one possibly brewing in Korea or Taiwan. We go to war if our enemies enter through our porous borders and do 10/7 in LA or NYC. We go to war if Russia crosses a certain line. We go to war if Kim finally goes insane and invades South Korea.
"Mmmmmkay we're just gonna stay out of their world affairs" made sense in the 2010s. The Biden era is a like couple missteps away from WW3. You have to do A LOT BETTER than read off the Austrian economic playbook and repeat the same vague isolationism. We should stay out of the middle east, but what is the plan to protect the homeland in the face of aggression? We can leave them alone, but they might not want to.
the high point was the national anthem.