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Donald Trump

Arnold Palmer's Club

Plus: Kevorkians in Canada, Jill Stein needs to chill, Chinese tell Cubans to stop with the Communism, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 10.22.2024 9:30 AM

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Politico thinks maybe Trump is crass: "Size matters: 2024 becomes the genitalia campaign," reads a rather flaccid headline from Politico.

"The former president is delivering a closing argument that expressly embraces locker room talk," reads the subhed, saying it all hearkens back to Donald Trump's 2016 run, in which the Access Hollywood tape, and the "grab 'em by the pussy" comments became a major scandal. Trump at the time defended his older comments, saying it was just "locker room talk."

"Just look at the difference in reaction between now and 2016," argue Adam Wren and Emmy Martin at Politico. "Eight years ago, voters and Republican officeholders went through a moment of genuine consternation in responding to his comments about grabbing women by their genitals. Then, almost a third of the Republican caucus in the Senate said they wouldn't back him. He faces no such uproar now."

Of course he doesn't! The comments they're reacting to, though crass, were not offensive toward women or tacit endorsements of sexual assault. They were rambling, amusing comments about Arnold Palmer's penis.

For the blessedly uninitiated, here's what happened. Trump was speaking over the weekend in Latrobe, Pennsylvania—the birthplace of legendary golfer Arnold Palmer.

"Arnold Palmer was all man, and I say that in all due respect to women—and I love women," said Trump. "But this guy, this guy, this is a guy that was all man. This man was strong and tough. And I refuse to say it, but when he took showers with the other pros, they came out of there, they said, 'Oh my God, that's unbelievable.' I had to say it." ("There's nothing much to say. I'm not really upset," said Palmer's daughter, when reached by reporters for comment.)

Politico is a) acting like crude comments from Trump are something new, and b) ignoring the fact that it was really kinda sorta former President Barack Obama who started the dick jokes.

Obama, when speaking at the Democratic National Convention this past summer, managed to slide it in: "Here's a 78-year-old billionaire who has not stopped whining about his problems since he rode down his golden escalator nine years ago. It has been a constant stream of gripes and grievances that's actually getting worse now that he's afraid of losing to Kamala. There's the childish nicknames, the crazy conspiracy theories, this weird obsession with crowd sizes." It was on that last part that he made a gesture with his hands, quite well-executed, that made clear he was not talking only about the size of Trump's crowds.

Nobody cares! Perhaps the best part of the Politico article, which attempts some impressive hand-wringing, is that…the actual sources, the actual Trump voters, didn't seem to care. A 54-year-old from North Carolina who attended a recent rally told the reporters that the former president "talks just like us."

"I feel like you just have to have a little sense of humor," proclaimed another North Carolinian.

"There are things that he says that will be the subject of skits and laughter and jokes," said Kamala Harris in response to the Palmer saga, "but words have meaning coming from someone who aspires to stand behind the seal of the president of the United States. These are the things that are at stake."

It's true that Trump appears to have no respect for any of the decorum that used to be a requirement for seeking high office. "I used to think the Democrats were crazy for saying men have periods. But then I met Tim Walz," he recently joked at the Al Smith Dinner, an important political event that raises money for Catholic charities in New York. Normally, major-party presidential candidates are invited to speak at the event; it's a bit of a show of comity. But this time around, Trump made pretty off-color jokes given that it was a religious event. As for Harris? She didn't even show. Both shattered norms in their own ways.

Between his Walz period jokes, his Arnold Palmer penis obsession, and his recent stint manning the fry station at McDonald's, Trump's populist appeal has long involved marshaling the lowbrow for his own personal gain; this campaign is no different.

Kevorkianism: "An expert committee reviewing euthanasia deaths in Canada's most populous province has identified several cases where patients asked to be killed in part for social reasons such as isolation and fears of homelessness," reports the Associated Press. "Ontario's chief coroner issued several reports Wednesday—after an Associated Press investigation based in part on data provided in one of the documents—reviewing the euthanasia deaths of people who weren't terminally ill." Legally speaking, Canada's law is supposed to require a "fatal diagnosis" or "unmanageable pain" but, in fact, these new reports out of Ontario provide solid evidence that doctors have been euthanizing people who do not meet the criteria. For example:

"In the case of a man identified as Mr. A, Ontario's expert committee questioned whether authorities tried hard enough to relieve his pain before he was euthanized. Mr. A was an unemployed man in his 40s with bowel disease and a history of substance abuse and mental illness. He was described as 'socially vulnerable and isolated.' Some committee members were alarmed that a psychiatrist suggested euthanasia during a mental health assessment."

Or this case:

"Another case detailed Ms. B, a woman in her 50s suffering from multiple chemical sensitivity syndrome, with a history of mental illness including suicidality and post-traumatic stress disorder. She was socially isolated and asked to die largely because she could not get proper housing, according to the report."

In a socialized health care system with long waiting lists, maybe there's less incentive to doggedly pursue treatment for some of the most vulnerable people, like those who are homeless or mentally ill. Some doctors are willing to say as much. "Either the law is too broad, or the professional guidance not precise enough," Trudo Lemmens, professor of health law and policy at the University of Toronto, told the A.P. "Or it is simply not seen as a priority to protect some of our most vulnerable citizens."

Here's an interview with one of the Canadian assisted-suicide doctors, Dr. Ellen Wiebe, talking about her work. Forgive me for finding it all rather ghoulish, I fear my Catholicism is showing.


Scenes from New York: The Daniel Penny trial is underway. In May of last year, Penny, a former marine, put Jordan Neely, a homeless and mentally ill man, in a chokehold on the subway, killing him. Penny claims Neely was threatening commuters on the F train. Prosecutors allege his actions became criminal when he refused to relinquish his grip on Neely after the offender had gone limp and was clearly immobilized. Penny is being brought up on charges of manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide, and the trial may last as long as six weeks.

The case has become a bit of a Rorschach test for many New Yorkers: Either Penny's actions feel warranted, his desperation when faced with erratic public behavior relatable, or Neely—whom the media frequently refers to as a beloved Michael Jackson impersonator—was brutally victimized by someone who acted far too aggressively than the situation called for.


QUICK HITS

  • "Chinese banks cut their benchmark lending rates after easing by the central bank at the end of September, part of a series of measures aimed at reviving economic growth and halting a housing market slump," reports Bloomberg.
  • Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein has lost the support of her family members, including her adult sons who want her to stop running.
  • A pretty good chronicling of Kamala Harris' rise in San Francisco high-society world, and how it led to her political career. Buried within: Her delightfully cold-blooded dissing of ex-boyfriend/ex-mayor of San Francisco, Willie Brown.
  • Big if true:

i told chatgpt to roleplay as a brilliant LLM that's trained on the entire internet and has strong opinions. Then I asked what political philosophy it identifies with pic.twitter.com/CxjpYmFwZG

— Aella (@Aella_Girl) October 21, 2024

  • Incredible scenes:

Lmao it's real https://t.co/CELE37cRF4 pic.twitter.com/IHFK8HmoXj

— Alec Stapp (@AlecStapp) October 20, 2024

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  1. Chumby   7 months ago

    Chicken Kiev

    70% of Ukrainian soldiers who were captured by Russia refuse to be included in the exchange lists.

    The reason is simple - every third serviceman of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, upon returning, faces criminal and public prosecution on charges of treason for surrendering.

    - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)

    The midget bandera dictator in Kiev must be upset that Steiner has not yet attacked.

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

      This is the democracy the left demands we protect.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        Seriously, does anyone remember that before the "invasion", Ukraine ranked worse on the international corruption scale than Russia? And even a cursory review of history reveals a mess of factional fighting, tribal re-alignments, and less than "democratic" legacies?

    2. JohnZ   7 months ago

      Light Loafered Lindsay demands Zelly begins conscripting 18 year olds now. Just send more young men into the meat grinder and watch what happens within a few year to Ukraine. If enough young men are slaughtered in that war, because that's what Light loafered Lindsay wants, then Ukraine will suffer the consequences when its population drops dramatically because there won't be enough young males to help with reproduction of new citizens.
      Ukraine will collapse and the people will blame not only Zelensky but they also know who else and that's NATO and the west, especially Washington.
      The intense hatred the people of Ukraine will foster against NATO and the west will drive it into the arms of Russia or as in the instance of other countries like Hungary, independent of the west.
      Those people are not stupid by any means and sooner or later they are going to revolt. Zelensky had better have plans made ahead of time to bugger off to one of his multi million dollar villas or even the one in Miami before he has his own Ceausescu moment.

      1. HorseConch   7 months ago

        Can't they just get some Palestinian newcomers? They seem to have figured out the reproduction deal.

      2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

        I think Miss Lindsay might prefer those 18 year old boys be conscripted to serve him. I’m sure he could use a pool boy or two.

        1. R Mac   7 months ago

          I don’t know, he seems to get off just as well from blowing people up.

  2. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

    How do you know he was talking about Arnold’s penis? It could be referring to some other aspect of his physique.

    1. Chumby   7 months ago

      He reportedly always drove his balls deep with his wood.

      1. Ajsloss   7 months ago

        You should've seen Mitch Cumstein putting at night.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

          With the daughter of the dean?

    2. Longtobefree   7 months ago

      Because that is what the democrat talking points said to say.

      1. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

        Trump praising the size of Arnold Palmer's junk isn't going to offend anyone but the emasculated.

        I can't see how the Democrats thought that this would help them.

        1. Idaho-Bob   7 months ago

          Yep, even Palmer's daughter didn't care.

          The left tries so hard to fabricate offense, it has become ridiculous.

          1. Chumby   7 months ago

            Related, Biden’s daughter knows the size of Brandon’s junk because he showered with her.

            1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

              He probably instructed her to measure it in a variety of ways.

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

          These are people who hang out with Hollywood industry coomers that are absolutely obsessed with shoehorning dick jokes and sex content into everything.

          They've created a political environment where Trump saying that Arnold Palmer was hung like a horse isn't going to move the needle at all. So anyone complaining about it is completely disingenuous, including the Dispatch crowd.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

            I know most progressives are too young to remember, but Johnny Carson also enjoyed a good Arnold Palmer joke.

        3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

          So that's why sarc took offense yesterday.

          1. R Mac   7 months ago

            Lol, seriously? Damn that dude is broken.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

              Broken? Hell, he makes Humpty Dumpty look good after falling from the wall.

    3. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   7 months ago

      He did have the balls to mix iced tea and lemonaid

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        Now I worry when my wife orders an Arnold Palmer at the club, with a big smile for the waiter.

    4. mad.casual   7 months ago

      Reading the tea leaves, I’m a bit flummoxed about the the media brain that had the thought, “Let’s ask the dead guy’s daughter about her thoughts on the President’s comment on her father’s dick.”

      Hey Mariska Hargitay! It’s obvious from this photo that Sophie Lauren thought your mom had ostentatious tits, whaddya think about that?

      1. Rick James   7 months ago

        True story: Sophia refused to sign autographs on that photo. She said it felt disrespectful to the memory of Mansfield.

    5. Chumby   7 months ago

      Arnold Palmer was so big…

      How big was he?

      He was so big that when he scored a hole in one, his partner would end up with a handicap.

  3. Chumby   7 months ago

    When Arnie was teeing off, he always yelled fore skins game or not.

    1. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

      Q. What did he yell when he was teed off?

      A. Covfefe.

  4. sarcasmic   7 months ago

    The innocent-looking dog breeds that can turn deadly: Vets issue warning after labradoodle was among pack of eight 'out of control' animals who mauled woman, 28, to death in park

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13986487/Vets-innocent-looking-dog-breeds-DEADLY.html

    Wouldn't you know it? They're all pitbulls!

    1. Chumby   7 months ago

      Once a third dog is added to the mix, the group becomes a pack and behaves differently.

    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

      Is someone saying pitbulls are the only dogs that can kill someone?

      1. sarcasmic   7 months ago

        It’s a joke about how media and cops say every dog is a pitbull. If you had a sense of humor beyond laughing at the pain and misfortune of others you’d understand. But you don’t, so you can’t.

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

          Do you have an example of this so you can explain the joke? I’ve never heard anybody claim there is a single dog breed, not even Don Lemon.

          Your joke seems to be predicated on something nobody else thinks. So not sure why we should get the joke.

          1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

            You aren’t drunk enough to get the joke.

          2. sarcasmic   7 months ago

            I’ve never heard anybody claim there is a single dog breed, not even Don Lemon.

            Maybe because that's not what I said. Your reading comprehension is trash, dude.

            At some point it was a given that if someone was attacked by a dog, the news and police reports would say pitbull, pitbull mix, or pitbull type dog, regardless of what the dog's actual breed was.

            You must have missed that part while you were busy laughing at the injured people or families who lost their child.

            1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

              You didn’t say this?

              It’s a joke about how media and cops say every dog is a pitbull.

              And...

              You must have missed that part while you were busy laughing at the injured people or families who lost their child.

              Cite? This seems like projection. My cite.

              sarcasmic 3 years ago
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              I was going to add something about people who might be splattered by the mess, but nobody cares about your alone ass. Shit. Nobody will know you’re missed until they shut the power off and things start to smell.

              Or

              sarcasmic 3 years ago
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              If you said that to me in public, and I put your internet-tuff-gai-ass in the hospital, the cops would laugh at you when you tried to press charges.

              1. sarcasmic   7 months ago

                Yes I did. Calling every dog the same breed (in the context of reporting on incidents involving dogs) isn’t the same saying that there is only one breed. It’s lying. One of the few things you are actually good at.

                Nice cut-and-paste. Only proves that your reading comprehension is complete trash.

                1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                  Okay. Can you show me example of cops and media only saying pitbull?

                  Because a quick search shows this to be false. So I still don't get the joke.

                  1. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

                    As much as I hate to agree with the drunk, it's always pitbulls. Every single time.

                    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

                      Racial profiling!

                    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                      I can find Doberman stories pretty quickly.

        2. Bertram Guilfoyle   7 months ago

          The guy who makes a joke about a dog mauling story accuses others of "laughing at the pain and misfortune of others".

          Never change, sarc.

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

            I'm still confused as to what the attempted joke was supposed to be.

            1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

              So's sarc.

            2. Social Justice is neither   7 months ago

              Beyond Sarc?

        3. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

          Hey bud. Jesse replied to you without any personal insults. You responded with a personal attack.

          Show some class, once in a while. Apologize.

          1. sarcasmic   7 months ago

            Apologize for a once-in-a-million mistake on his part? Ha! No.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

              Obviously you’re not the bigger man. No wonder you hang around Jeffy.

              1. VinniUSMC (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   7 months ago

                Sarcjeff is no Arnold Palmer... lol

                1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

                  LOL!

              2. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

                "Hang around" being the operative phrase, in several ways.

              3. Chumby   7 months ago

                Apparently Arnold Palmer was the bigger man and those complaining must have a micro…aggression.

            2. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

              No. Whether his comment was a "once-in-a-million mistake on his part" or not, the apology is for your continual refusal to honor your own claims to respond with insults only when insulted.

              Jesse did not insult you, then you insulted him. That second step was all on you. That you refuse to even admit the first step shows you haven't learned squat from AA meetings.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   7 months ago

                Instead of dishonestly trying to hold sarcasmic to some standard, maybe you ought to try holding the actual assholes and trolls around here, such as Jesse, ML, etc., to any standard whatsoever. Can you do that?

                1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

                  Jeffy, if you didn’t have double standards here, I sincerely doubt you’d have any standards at all.

                2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                  Get the Hell out, you fat bitch.

          2. sarcasmic   7 months ago

            Tell you what. When he apologizes for lying about me at least a dozen times a day, every day, for years, then I’ll think about apologizing for being mean after he made his very first accidentally insult-free reply ever.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

              Narrator:
              Self awareness was obviously not a Sarcasmic superpower.

            2. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

              Poor sarc. So broken

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

                Battered commenter syndrome?

                1. Chumby   7 months ago

                  Battered and deep fried?

                  - you know who

            3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

              Can you point out the lies first?

              Do you mean lies like this?

              he made his very first accidentally insult-free reply ever.

          3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

            Lol.

          4. chemjeff radical individualist   7 months ago

            Hey fuckhead. Why don't you and your team stop being a pack of bullies, trolls, assholes and jerks? No one believes that your demand for an apology is sincere. You just want sarcasmic to humiliate himself because that is what gives meaning to your otherwise sad and pathetic lives, trolling anonymous strangers on the Internet.

            Why don't you tell Jesse, ML, Insane Clown, etc., to knock it off and to stop trolling and lying and being a bunch of assholes?

            1. Bertram Guilfoyle   7 months ago

              You just want sarcasmic to humiliate himself

              On the contrary, we want him to stop humiliating himself.

              1. R Mac   7 months ago

                Disagree. I get chuckles from sarc humiliating himself.

            2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

              Problem is, we’re not the ones lying. To find that, I suggest you find a mirror, Jeffy.

            3. chemjeff radical individualist   7 months ago

              Oh look, it's the ignored troll brigade piling on. I don't even have to read their comments in order to know that they are saying "NO U ARE BAD".

              Stop being a bunch of assholes, stop being a bunch of jerks, stop being completely insufferable trolls, and maybe this comment section won't be such a flaming garbage dump. It starts by first not immediately assuming that anyone who believes something different than you has bad intentions and is a bad-faith traitor who needs to be destroyed. It starts by trying to understand different points of view, instead of trying to squash them out. When you can do that then maybe we can have a conversation. Until then you all remain on ignore and can stay there.

              1. Uilleam   7 months ago

                'Oh look, it’s the ignored troll brigade piling on. '

                Two responses is piling on?

              2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

                Usually this goes the other way around: Sarc white knighting Jeffy. Must be Opposite Day.

              3. R Mac   7 months ago

                “Oh look, it’s the ignored troll brigade piling on. I don’t even have to read their comments…”

                “It starts by first not immediately assuming that anyone who believes something different than you has bad intentions and is a bad-faith traitor who needs to be destroyed.”

                Truly amazing, Lying Jeffy.

                1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                  The amount of projection and hypocrisy they live in is stunning.

              4. Bertram Guilfoyle   7 months ago

                I've been here for about a year and a half, and my observation is most people, including the so-called mean girls, are pretty easy to talk to here, and can have honest disagreements.

                The main exceptions are you and sarcasmic who endlessly post strawmen that are not connected to reality. You guys also constantly accuse others of being racists, homophobes, etc, ad nauseam, when you and he are the ones who typically make those kind of comments and jokes. Your hypocrisy is pathetic. So yeah, you get called out for it.

                Then you have the blatant anti-semites, primarily jfree and trueman who shamelessly post hamas/hezbollah talking points. You and sarc dip your toes into sometimes as well, and you never seem to critique these idiots.

                This is not to mention shrike, whose behavior would require a whole other post (probably an entire psychiatrist convention) to analyze.

              5. Nobartium   7 months ago

                The internet is unsafe for you, I suggest unplugging.

              6. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                If you want to see the comment section improve then you should go away forever. It’s lying, shitposting cunts like you that ruin discussion here.

          5. chemjeff radical individualist   7 months ago

            Show some class, once in a while.

            Your team has showed zero class. When you all can demonstrate some class of your own, then maybe you will be treated with some class.

            1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

              What a fucking crybaby.

            2. Chumby   7 months ago

              FAFO FAFU

            3. R Mac   7 months ago

              Look at all that collectivism from the radical individualist!

            4. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

              Not my team, buddy. I'm not on theirs, they're not on mine. Perhaps if you and sarc were to actually criticize each other once in a while, you wouldn't look like twins, let alone teammates.

              1. Chumby   7 months ago

                When Jeffsarc team up, it is like a threesome in size.

                1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                  With Jeffy’s blubber, he like a 20 input pin cushion for chubby chasing gays. Here’s a link to what a Jeffy probably looks like……

                  https://x.com/Faggot__King/status/1793652931172217162

                  Although I suspect he’s put on weight since.

            5. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

              You really are imploding. And with your mass, that could potentially create a singularity.

        4. Jefferson Paul   7 months ago

          It’s a joke about how media and cops say every dog is a pitbull.

          True. Also true how almost every high-profile gun crime is reported as committed by someone with an "assault weapon" or "AR-style gun."

      2. Its_Not_Inevitable   7 months ago

        Damn. Did you all really just waste dozens of comments on this stupid dog thing?

        1. Chumby   7 months ago

          Some might hound him over it.

    3. ravenshrike   7 months ago

      Poodles, assuming a standard poodle cross and not the mini ones, are nasty customers.

  5. sarcasmic   7 months ago

    Smug Cybertruck owner gets instant karma when he sets out to prove it's bulletproof

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13984537/Cybertruck-instant-karma-prove-bulletproof.html

    I'm gonna spend a hundred grand on a shitty looking vehicle, and shoot it!

    1. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

      A fucking Ram 3/4 ton with a diesel and leather can't beat a Porsche or take a bullet but costs around $100k too. So does a loaded F-150.

      Haven't been to a dealership in a decade or two, huh?

      1. sarcasmic   7 months ago

        Yeah, I've been driving the same car for twenty years. Sure, Canadian. Whatever you say.

        1. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

          On a big fry cooks salary like yours, Mainer? How surprising. Is that the one you used to live in? Did a friend give it to you?

          1. sarcasmic   7 months ago

            Fry cook? I thought I was IT help desk. Will you guys make up your collective minds?

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

              IT help desk would explain why you burned that guy’s steak.

              1. sarcasmic   7 months ago

                If I owned a steakhouse I would put a sign on the door saying "Rare to Medium only" and anyone who ordered MW or W would be escorted out the door. That way no one would have to burn any steaks.

                1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

                  Some libertarian you are. No respect for what others might like that doesn’t affect you.

                  1. sarcasmic   7 months ago

                    Some leftist you are, getting super-offended at my lack of diversity, equity and inclusion.

                    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

                      As much a leftist as you are a libertarian.

                    2. sarcasmic   7 months ago

                      That’s what I just said. Libertarians like myself don’t generally give a shit about diversity, equity and inclusion, and that offends your leftist sensibilities.

                    3. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

                      Sarc,

                      >>>>> the point >>>>>>

                      You

                    4. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                      Weird attack given you scream racist and xenophobia any chance you get.

                2. Bertram Guilfoyle   7 months ago

                  Wouldn't you also secretly serve equine meat to people you don't like?

                  1. R Mac   7 months ago

                    Only if they love horses.

                    1. Chumby   7 months ago

                      Once visited a burger joint outside of Churchill Downs that had race horse as one of the protein options. Talk about fast food!

                3. Bertram Guilfoyle   7 months ago

                  I would put a sign on the door saying “Rare to Medium only”

                  If this refers to moments of rational thinking on your part, it's an accurate sign.

              2. R Mac   7 months ago

                And buys weed from immigrant bus boys.

                1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

                  No, it was the dishwashers.

                  1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                    sarcasmic 3 years ago
                    Flag Comment
                    Mute User
                    About the only thing I miss about working in restaurants was access to drugs. There’s always a dishwasher slinging weed and a waiter with nose candy.

                    1. R Mac   7 months ago

                      My mistake.

                2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                  No wonder Sarc is an open borders nutcase.

            2. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

              I’ve never heard you say “IT”, but you have frequently regaled us with workplace stories like burning customer’s steaks, or this:

              “sarcasmic 2 hours ago
              Flag Comment Mute User
              I used to work with this bull dike cook…
              So one day one of the guys asks how I like the job, and I say it’s fine except for the lesbian midget who can’t keep her personal life to herself. Well this 4’10” woman steps out from behind the cooler and says “I’m gonna get you fired!”

              1. Bertram Guilfoyle   7 months ago

                Did he show his reason comments to her?

              2. sarcasmic   7 months ago

                No link of course. Full context would be honest, which you are not.

                The second half of the story involves her going to the managers claiming I called her a dike. Something you would do. You know, lie to get someone fired. So I reminded them that she's four and a half feet tall and likes women, so I thought lesbian midget was a statement of fact. They kicked me out of the office so I wouldn't see them laughing.

                1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

                  I’m sure both Jesse and ML can provide said link on request.

                  1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                    I didn't save that one.

                  2. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

                    Sarcasmic knows I keep a link to every post I save. It always baffles me how he thinks he can get away with the no link/no context accusation.

                    sarcasmic 2 hours ago
                    Flag Comment Mute User
                    I used to work with this bull dike cook. Her being a butch didn’t bother me. It was her constant sharing of her sexual exploits. If some frat boy talked shit about his conquests people would tell him to shut it. But with her you say anything and she claims homophobia.
                    So one day one of the guys asks how I like the job, and I say it’s fine except for the lesbian midget who can’t keep her personal life to herself. Well this 4’10” woman steps out from behind the cooler and says “I’m gonna get you fired!”
                    I get hauled into the office. They say I called her a dike. I said “I called her a lesbian midget. She’d less than five feet and she likes women. I thought it was a statement of fact.”
                    They kicked me out of the office so I wouldn’t see them laugh.
                    My point is that personal lives are best kept personal. Yeah there have always been such people. They used to keep their personal lives personal. Just like everyone else.

                    https://reason.com/2022/12/30/new-york-city-mayor-eric-adams-wants-you-to-love-big-brother/?comments=true#comment-9855537

                    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                      He thinks screaming context means he didn't say something.

                2. Bertram Guilfoyle   7 months ago

                  They kicked me out of the office so I wouldn’t see them laughing.

                  If they were laughing, it was at what a dumbass you are.

                3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                  What context doesn't make you look like an asshole?

                  Weird ask given you taking every out of context Trump quote to call him Hitler.

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   7 months ago

            Thank you once again for proving what a dickhead you are.

            You are mocking sarcasmic for once holding a low-wage job? Like pretty much every other human being has once had in their lives? (Except Trump, of course.) Aren't low-wage unskilled labor jobs precisely the ones that your team wants to protect for citizens against the predations of those dirty filthy illegals invading across the border? You are mocking sarcasmic for once being homeless? Weren't you and your team gnashing your teeth and rending garments about those Haitians who showed up in Springfield and displaced local residents out of their housing, and how we should feel sorry for the local residents who now have nowhere else to live thanks to those filthy dirty cat-eating Haitians?

            Your 'concern' for citizens having low-wage jobs or being homeless is completely fake and is nothing but crocodile tears. As usual, with your team, if someone has a low-wage job, or if someone is homeless, you all view it as a moral failing.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

              Did someone rattle your chain and ask for your asinine opinion?

              1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

                Gotta defend his teammates.

                1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                  He worked hard to convert sarc. His only victory in 10 years.

              2. Chumby   7 months ago

                Bring out the Blimp

            2. R Mac   7 months ago

              What a weird time to screech out faux moral outrage.

            3. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

              "You are mocking sarcasmic for once holding a low-wage job?"

              At least Sarc's had a low-wage job, and doesn't sit in his mom's basement fifty-centing forums and comments threads all day.

              1. Chumby   7 months ago

                The local Uber Eats drivers getting paid in quarters.

                1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

                  Also, why don’t you tell us why it’s okay to mock sarcasmic for being homeless, but we should feel sympathy and sadness for citizens supposedly displaced by Haitians in Springfield.

                  Sarc was admitting homelessness due to his difficulties with alcohol and inability to get along with others.

                  1. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

                    "sarcasmic
                    January.17.2022 at 10:11 am
                    I was homeless for a half a year."

                    https://reason.com/2022/01/17/you-cant-solve-homelessness-by-making-it-a-crime/?comments=true#comment-9308808

              2. chemjeff radical individualist   7 months ago

                doesn’t sit in his mom’s basement fifty-centing forums and comments threads all day.

                That's actually you and Jesse.

                If we were to calculate the average number of posts per day that you or Jesse post, compared to the average number of posts per day that I post, which do you think would be higher? Hmm?

                Also, why don't you tell us why it's okay to mock sarcasmic for being homeless, but we should feel sympathy and sadness for citizens supposedly displaced by Haitians in Springfield.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   7 months ago

                  Wait wait, I know the answer.

                  We should feel sympathy for citizens supposedly displaced by Haitians in Springfield because they are in the "correct tribe", Real Murican Patriots. We should mock sarcasmic and others in his situation for being homeless, because they are in the "wrong tribe", evil America-hating traitors. People are to be judged by their tribe, not by their actions or circumstances. Isn't that right, ML?

                  1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

                    No, because sarc is an admitted drunken fool.

                  2. R Mac   7 months ago

                    Lying Jeffy can’t think of any reason why people would be upset about the Federal government trafficking tens of thousands of Haitians into a small city and then distorting the housing market by using tax dollars to inflate rent, except for:

                    “YOU’RE ALL RACIST!”

                  3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

                    Let's simplify. People against immigration who get displaced just might earn my concern more than people who promote immigration and get displaced.

                2. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

                  “which do you think would be higher? Hmm?”

                  I don’t know about Jesse, but between you and me?

                  You. 1000% you.

                  I don’t think I post one twentieth of your output here, you overpaid shill. How retarded are you to think that I even come close to your words per day here?

                  “Also, why don’t you tell us why it’s okay to mock sarcasmic for being homeless, but we should feel sympathy and sadness for citizens supposedly displaced by Haitians in Springfield.”

                  Well, I never once said anything about Haitians causing people to be homeless or displaced, but rather that the infrastructure was overwhelmed to the point of breaking. But we’ll set your penchant for lies aside, and pretend that your point was honest for a second.

                  Sarcasmic brought his own misfortunes upon himself. The people of Springfield were forced into their position by a fascist government.

                  You really aren’t earning your fifty-cents here, are you?

                  “We should feel sympathy for citizens supposedly displaced by Haitians in Springfield because they are in the “correct tribe”, Real Murican Patriots. “

                  Your hatred and malice towards middle America is so rancid that I can smell it from here. You are the epitome of oikophobia. You are the reason why Trump is winning.

                  People are to be judged by their tribe, not by their actions or circumstances. Isn’t that right, ML?

                  I’m not even American, and I don’t know the shit you’ve done (and probably don’t want to), but I can judge you on the evil you constantly espouse here.

                3. chemjeff radical individualist   7 months ago

                  You. 1000% you.

                  lol no. I will often go days without posting anything at all because I am so busy at work. You and Jesse both however reliably post here day after day, at least 100 comments per day each. This is more of your gaslighting.

                  Oh, and I just noticed you do what you always do, sneakily try to shift the goalposts. I said "number of posts" and you cleverly tried to change that to "words per day". Fuck you and your dishonest tactics.

                  Sarcasmic brought his own misfortunes upon himself.

                  Right, because alcohol addiction is a moral failing, right? You really are a moralizing piece of shit.

                  The people of Springfield were forced into their position by a fascist government.

                  the Haitians migrated there on their own in search of better opportunities. Nobody forced anyone to do anything. But it is telling how you decide to dole out the benefit of the doubt. It is as I said, people are to be judged by their tribe and not by their actions or circumstances.

                  Your hatred and malice towards middle America

                  I don’t hate Middle America. FFS I live in Middle America. I just don’t put them all on a pedestal and think that the policy of the nation should revolve around them and their needs and desires alone. Trump is popular because he shamelessly panders to them, intentionally dividing the nation between the tribes of “Real Muricans” and “Evil Traitors”. And you happily go along with that.

                  I can judge you on the evil you constantly espouse here.

                  Yes we know, the “evil” like advocating for individual liberty. I am not surprised that a social conservative like yourself judges that to be evil.

                  Meanwhile, why don’t you yet again excuse illegal and violent behavior by the Jan. 6 rioters because they are “on your team”. THAT is evil.

                  1. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

                    “You and Jesse both however reliably post here day after day, at least 100 comments per day each. This is more of your gaslighting.”

                    Speaking of gaslighting, you don’t get to compare your output to two other peoples combined you know.
                    And like I said, I don’t know about Jesse’s, but 90% of my posts are less than a sentence long and I still post far, far fewer of them than your ten paragraph screeds. Almost any thread from any time proves that.

                    Right, because alcohol addiction is a moral failing, right? You really are a moralizing piece of shit.

                    Hahahahahhahahhahahhhahahahahha… oh wow. HEY EVERYONE. JEFFY JUST CALLED SARC A DRUNK.

                    Anyhoo, you moralize about me moralizing (even though I’m obviously not) and then condemn me for what you are actively doing. How you keep your job amazes me. The best part is you calling Sarc a drunk too.
                    Superb.

                    But absolutely yes. Even though I didn’t say Sarc’s alcoholism was the cause (you did that all on your own) it is a moral failing on his part.

                    “the Haitians migrated there on their own in search of better opportunities”

                    I love how you think you can gaslight everyone into thinking that 20,000 Haitians decided to pick a city of 40,000 in Ohio to move into between 2021 and 2023.
                    Not LA, not New York. Some piddly town nobody has heard of before in the middle of nothing was number one on 20,000 Haitians wish lists.

                    It’s beyond obvious they were shipped there. In 2015 there were zero Haitians in Springfield, in 2019 and 2020, six, by the end of 2023 16,500, and now 20k.

                    How retarded do you think your prospective gaslighting victims are?

                    “I don’t hate Middle America.”

                    Nobody says the shit you regularly say about the hoi polloi without a deep and abiding hatred.

                    Yes we know, the “evil” like advocating for individual liberty.

                    There’s no liberty in your reworked Nazi race theories, your penchant for child castration, your excuse making for internet censorship, your support of Keynesian economics, your support of global governance, your support of babykilling and porn for kids, your support of political prosecutions, ad nauseam.

                    Just because you wear a libertarian skin suit over your fascist ass it doesn’t make you one.

                    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                      Most of my posts are when I'm waiting for kids activities, between meetings, etc. I tend to not watch TV so have quite a lot of free time. This confuses the jeffs of the world.

                      It doesn't take long to make a post.

                    2. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

                      I know. 70% of my posts are one liners and I'll only post in the roundup and occasionally a few other's if I'm bored.

                      The nice thing to hear though, is that I obviously must get to him if he thinks I'm as prodigious as he is.

                    3. Chumby   7 months ago

                      I’m normally in the FSB (nee KGB) group awaiting further instructions. We also sing the Soviet anthem every quarter hour and that takes time away from here.

                    4. chemjeff radical individualist   7 months ago

                      And like I said, I don’t know about Jesse’s, but 90% of my posts are less than a sentence long

                      That is your dishonest shifting of goalposts. I said "number of posts", and you and Jesse definitely take the cake around here for the most frequent posters, certainly more than me, I'd venture to say you two are probably in the top 5 overall.

                      I did NOT say "number of words". That is your dishonesty. Yes I tend to write wordier posts. But I write fewer of them, and less frequently. You two are always here shitposting and dragging down this forum to the status of a dumpster fire. Do you want to know why the Reason editors are embarrassed by this place? It's because of people like you and Jesse.

                      HEY EVERYONE. JEFFY JUST CALLED SARC A DRUNK.

                      No, I didn't. You and your team are the one who use that epithet against him.

                      it is a moral failing on his part.

                      That's right, alcohol and drug abuse are moral failings, not diseases. God you must live in the stone age.

                      20,000 Haitians decided to pick a city of 40,000 in Ohio to move into between 2021 and 2023.

                      I have posted EVIDENCE in the form of articles and stories which state exactly that, that private recruiters in conjunction with *LOCAL* government recruited workers for their economic development plans, and it worked. That is what happened.

                      You on the other hand have posted zero evidence, only paranoid conspiracy and claims of gaslighting. Why don't you post some actual FACTS that support your contention that the federal government intentionally placed 20,000 Haitian migrants there?

                      And why are you lying about the figures? It is more like 15,000, in a town of about 60,000 residents.

                      Not LA, not New York. Some piddly town nobody has heard of before in the middle of nothing was number one on 20,000 Haitians wish lists.

                      I don't think Springfield is on anyone's wish list. But it is cheaper to live there compared to New York or LA. Guess what, new migrants tend to be poor.

                      It’s beyond obvious they were shipped there.

                      Then prove it.

                      And let's go through your list of lies:

                      reworked Nazi race theories,

                      false

                      your penchant for child castration,

                      false

                      your excuse making for internet censorship,

                      For government censorship? false.

                      your support of Keynesian economics,

                      false

                      your support of global governance,

                      Global governance in terms of one based on federalist and libertarian principles? Sure! Otherwise? False.

                      your support of babykilling

                      Oh, you mean legal abortion? Sorry not sorry that I support women being able to control their own bodies.

                      and porn for kids,

                      false

                      your support of political prosecutions

                      false

                      Now, let's take a look at what you support:
                      * banning drag queens, not just in public libraries, but in all public spaces
                      * trans teens committing suicide because you favor sending them to conversion 'therapy', and if that doesn't work, then fuck 'em
                      * letting pregnant women die because your team writes anti-abortion laws so strict that no doctor is willing to risk his/her own liberty and professional reputation by being charged with a felony for giving care
                      * rounding up and deporting the illegals, because they are vermin and poisoning the blood of the nation, and if that means instituting a 'papieren bitte' regime, then oh well it's a small price to pay to get rid of the vermin and scum
                      * creating an ever more intrusive security state to keep out the illegals
                      * raising taxes on citizens in order to 'punish China', which doesn't really punish them but does make for a good virtue signal, while citizens become poorer

                      and that's only scratching the surface

                    5. R Mac   7 months ago

                      That’s a whole lot of posting Lying Jeffy.

                  2. Bertram Guilfoyle   7 months ago

                    Meanwhile, why don’t you yet again excuse illegal and violent behavior by the Jan. 6 rioters

                    People have said here many times that people who engaged in actual violence on J6 should be prosecuted accordingly.

                    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                      Can see it from the very first thread on the topic. Jeff doesn't care. He loves to lie.

                      Meanwhile him and sarc continue to defend felonies for non violent J6 protestors.

                      Usual projection from them.

                4. chemjeff radical individualist   7 months ago

                  Here is ML in a nutshell:

                  sarcasmic had an alcohol problem and suffers personal consequences as a result. He deserves mockery, contempt, scorn, and that all of his problems were brought upon him himself.

                  Real Murican Middle America teenager gets hooked on fentanyl and almost dies. This person deserves sympathy, compassion, caring, and the real culprit here are illegal immigrant filth and scum importing drugs over the border.

                  1. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

                    sarcasmic had an alcohol problem and suffers personal consequences as a result.

                    HEY SARCKLES. LOOK WHAT YOUR PAL JEFFY JUST SAID ABOUT YOU.

                    I just said you were homeless once, but Jeff explained the reason for all of us.

                    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                      Sarc has never admitted to having a problem even in the one week he wanted to be praised for not drinking for a week.

                      Not sure why Jeff is acting like sarcs sponsor.

                      Everyone knew it was a lie as people who seek sobriety do it for the right reasons, not to be praised.

                    2. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

                      Sarc must be chewing Jeff out right now at their secret internet rendezvous site.

                    3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                      ML, are you saying that Sarc is chowing Jeffy?

                    4. chemjeff radical individualist   7 months ago

                      Well I'm certainly not going to take your word for it. My understanding is that sarcasmic did share once that he had an alcohol problem. If I am incorrect then all the better.

                      Meanwhile, even though according to you he doesn't have an alcohol problem, you still continue to call him a drunk and an alcoholic because you two are a bunch of shitheads.

                  2. R Mac   7 months ago

                    Poor sarc.

                  3. Chumby   7 months ago

                    Sarc has an alcohol problem and posts drunk. The posts are often garbage and the contents of said posts are deconstructed. Occasionally, a possible reason for the stupidity (drunk posting) is shared. Maybe Reason needs a safe space room for him to access.

                    If the fentanyl abuser came into the comments and constantly shit posted and shilled for Team Blue, I imagine the sympathy would wane quickly.

                    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                      Yeah. Respect is earned. Jeff demands respect despite behaviors.

                      I have zero respect for either. Especially given their blatant hypocritical demands.

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist   7 months ago

                      If the fentanyl abuser came into the comments and constantly shit posted and shilled for Team Blue, I imagine the sympathy would wane quickly

                      There you go. Sympathy and concern is only doled out according to tribal membership, not based on the person's actions or circumstances. Fuck you. That is why your version of 'libertarianism' is amoral misanthropic garbage. No sane society is going to adopt 'screw 'em all, let 'em starve' as a guiding ethos.

                    3. chemjeff radical individualist   7 months ago

                      I have zero respect for either.

                      Oh, that much is evident. Tell us, Jesse, how much respect do you think you are entitled to around here?

                    4. Chumby   7 months ago

                      No true Scotsman! Arrrrggghh!

                      No, I’m not polite to collectivist assholes. Cry about it some more.

                      Send your paymaster. You’re weak.

                    5. chemjeff radical individualist   7 months ago

                      Jeff demands respect despite behaviors.

                      Oh, this little phrase of yours is telling. If I have engaged in any untoward behavior around here, it is orders of magnitude better than anything that you and your team dish out on a daily basis. And yet I'm quite certain the right-wingers around here get all the respect from you. This statement of yours is telling because it reveals the deception in your own mind. I'm sure you THINK you have zero respect for me because of 'behaviors', but in reality, it's because I don't agree with you very often. You absolutely tolerate horrible behaviors from those on your team, and give them your respect.

                    6. Chumby   7 months ago

                      Tu Quoque aka Two Wrongs Fallacy

                      This fallacy consists in rejecting criticism of one’s argument or actions by accusing one’s critic or others of thinking or acting in a similar way.

                    7. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                      Hey Fatfuck, I’ll make this simple. You come here and constantly lie. When your lies are debunked, you recycle them. Sometimes later in the same day on a different article, pretending that your lies weren’t previously discredited. You also take the pedophile friendly side of an argument whenever it’s remotely relevant.

                      So outside of the other pedophile, and the drunk, everyone hates you for those reasons and so much more. You have been, and always will be, an object of scorn, disrespect, and ridicule.

                5. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                  Nope. It’s all you bitch. And you come here trying to start trouble. When all we want to do is have a real discussion free of your neo Marxist lies and pedophile advocacy.

                  You, the drunk and the other pedophile should go somewhere else. Like your NAMBLA comment board.

          3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

            He’s a hobo living in an alley. He posts here from his Obama phone, or sometimes the government library.

        2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

          You mean they haven’t taken away your license for DUI yet? Or you’re driving unlicensed and uninsured?

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

            Could explain his defensiveness of all things illegal immigration.

            1. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

              $100k truck is the $500k rental story all over again.

            2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

              I get this image of Sarc driving around without a license or insurance in a rusty 25 year old Honda Civic with expired tags. Car is so rusty that you can use it Flintstone style.

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

                Hey, at least the Civic is still running. I suspect a lot of these turbo-boosted trucks aren't going to make it into their second decade.

                1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

                  Maintenance helps. I have a turbo boosted engine running at 289,000 miles (only 7 years though) that’s still doing fine. Of course, it helps if one follows the maintenance schedule in the manual.

                  It’s a 1.4L inline 4 in a smaller Jeep.

                  1. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

                    Of course, it helps if one follows the maintenance schedule in the manual.

                    That's really the key, and a big reason why a lot of these turbo boosted vehicles aren't going to last very long--a lot of people just don't know how to properly maintain and operate them. You just can't drive those things like a normal NA engine.

                2. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

                  I knew a guy who had a Cummins I6 turbo diesel with 1.2 million miles on the engine. The truck was basically falling apart but that engine was still strong.

                3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

                  Hey, don't make fun of my F150. Those turbos come in handy towing at altitude.

                  BTW, I do actually change the oil. And more often than Ford recommends.

              2. Randy Sax   7 months ago

                I drive a 2017 Civic with expired tags. Am licensed and insured though.

                1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                  No automated license readers in cop cars there? The state here demands their yearly registration fees.

                  1. Randy Sax   7 months ago

                    My plate is out-of-state. I moved states and never re-registered it. It's 2 years expired at this point.

                    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

                      Unless you’re in DC, no one really seems to care about an out of state plate and expiration status.

                    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                      Interesting. Arizona had to Crack down on people going to Sonora Mexico for plates. To avoid registration fees.

                    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

                      Unless you’re in DC, no one really seems to care about an out of state plate and expiration status.

                      Depends. There's been a trend lately in some places to crack down on expired tags. Where I live, the cops will occasionally do a tag verification sweep in random neighborhoods and apartment complexes, and give out tickets for expired tags, in state or out of state. In Colorado, it's being done because buying plate tags is fucking expensive with all the fees tacked on and people are putting off buying them as long as possible.

                2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

                  Used a Civic instead of something else for my Sarc example as I figured the engine would still run even given the abuse I’m sure Sarc might heap upon it.

              3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                Nah. He bragged about buying a new car on full credit as if it was an amazing investment during covid. Depreciating assets on credit is the path to wealth after all.

                1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

                  Which means either Sarc lied then or is lying now. He’s starting to make Shrike look good for lies.

                  1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                    Sarc is a hobo living in an alley. If he ever had a car, he hocked it for booze money long ago.

              4. Chumby   7 months ago

                The windshield applied inspection sticker is how Maine LEOs nail drivers unless one finds a mechanic that sells them or can carefully steal one.

                1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

                  That’s one of those things that seems to vary, state to state. Illinois, on the other hand, has no inspections other than emissions in a few counties and has no windshield stickers other than municipal ones (and that’s only for some municipalities; others have no sticker).

                  1. Chumby   7 months ago

                    Had a truck I only used on the property for a couple of years. Fixed it up and had the maintenance inspection scheduled the next day. Drove it around the night before just to test it out and got pulled over due to the old sticker. This is where sarc may freak out like with Jesse not paying more in taxes. The cop was driving the chief’s car to cycle through the gas tank. The chief didn’t have a ticket book in his car to issue for a several year expired maintenance sticker. He could tell it had maintenance on it (such as new tires). Just gave me a verbal warning. My license was fine and it was insured.

                  2. Jefferson Paul   7 months ago

                    In my state, police can no longer pull you over for an expired inspection sticker unless it's more than 4 months expired from the last date from that year. Still, it's a lot harder for cops to see the inspection sticker, compared to an expired registration, as they only have to pull up behind you to see it.

                    I haven't gotten an inspection on my car since I got it in 2019. I've had checkups, but I refuse to voluntarily pay for the useless inspection. So far I haven't been pulled over for it. I'm hoping to make it through the life of my car without getting it inspected or pulled over for it.

                    I really despise the requirement for an annual state inspection.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

        A fucking Ram 3/4 ton with a diesel and leather can’t beat a Porsche or take a bullet but costs around $100k too. So does a loaded F-150.

        Yeah, but that doesn’t change the fact that Cybertrucks are stupid-looking vehicles, and this guy was a dumbass for thinking it was bulletproof.

        Vehicles are more expensive in general these days, but the reason a lot of trucks are running into the $60-90K range now is because the Big Three don’t really make sedans anymore (besides a couple of exceptions like the Malibu), and started focusing mostly on pushing trucks because of the profit margins. The pandemic exacerbated this because the supply chains caused prices to skyrocket, and now these dealers are stuck with massive inventories of hyper-expensive trucks that they can’t move because the Big Three are stubbornly trying to keep prices at pandemic levels.

        Stellantis is having all kinds of problems right now, but Ford is probably the biggest sinner because that idiot Jim Farley went all-in on EVs and assumed that Ford could use their truck sales to subsidize their EV division, while offering nothing of value that’s affordable for more working class people. So a lot of truck owners are just holding on to their old vehicles and running them into the ground instead of buying new trucks. F-150 monthly sales prior to the pandemic were mostly in the 70-85K range, now they’re in the 50-65K range, and I suspect a lot of those are mainly fleet sales to replace stocks that wore out during the pandemic.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

          I bought a new F150 in 2023, and I figure I paid $10k or so as an EV subsidy "tax".

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

            AKA, the “dealer markup.” Pretty effective trick to get people to think that it’s the dealer’s fault they’re paying $10K over MSRP rather than your shitlib CEO’s efforts to get that sweet Blackrock moolah.

            The irony is that I'd actually love to get a Bronco with the 6MT and 4WD, except for--1) it's got that Ford quality on their fit and finish, 2) I can't get it with the fucking NA 3.3L V-6 that i actually want, I have to get a turbo, and 3) they're fucking expensive for a small truck. Just give me an uncomplicated, low-tech, relatively easy vehicle to drive, for fuck's sake.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

              Actually I ordered from a niche dealer in Iowa who does mostly internet sales, and has a no-haggle price (and did all through the COVID "shortages") of 4% off invoice, or about 10% off MSRP. My point is that Ford itself was losing at least $40k per EV and had to make that up in other sales.

              As for simple and functional, I get you. In the F150 world Ford did cut out lots of options based on model tiers, and people who want a basic truck can't get some critical features they want.

      3. chemjeff radical individualist   7 months ago

        God you really are a pathetic asshole.

        It is a small measure of satisfaction around here that I get, when you all prove on a daily basis that the people who dislike me the most, are also the biggest jerks.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

          None so big as you though, both literally and figuratively.

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

          Nice guys finish last, and you should probably spend less time worrying about what people on an internet blog think of you.

        3. Chumby   7 months ago

          Does this weigh heavily on you? Does “Team Jerks” interfere with you chewing the fat with other marxists?

          1. Spiritus Mundi   7 months ago

            Jeffy is big on self-agGRANDizement

          2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

            Jeffy doesn’t share fat!

        4. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

          Sarc was trying to take a shot at Musk as revenge for supporting Trump by pretending like the CyberTruck was priced out of the norm, and I didn't let him.

          And you know that's what he was doing, you piece of garbage, and yet look at you pretend your lying Nazi ass is on the high-road.

          You're such trash, Jeff.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   7 months ago

            Huh, I didn't see anything about Trump in either sarc's comment or in the linked article. This is you being a defensive shill for Trump and not permitting any criticism of him or his allies even if it is totally deserved. And to top it off, you try to gaslight everyone into thinking that it was all "akshually" about Trump and "everybody knows it". Do you think that trick actually works? The truck is an overpriced overhyped shitty truck and people were saying that when it was first released, long before Musk decided to go full Qanon. Once again you demonstrate you have no principles, only tribal loyalties.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

              And exactly how is Musk “full Qanon”, Jeffy? Please go into detail here.

              1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                By not puking up democrat pablum blindly?

            2. Nobartium   7 months ago

              Musk decided to go full Qanon

              Apostasy is always the worst sin in leftists minds.

              1. R Mac   7 months ago

                He’s too stupid to realize when he tells on himself.

                1. Chumby   7 months ago

                  In his effort to be the commentariat hall monitor, he ends up looking like the heavy.

                  1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

                    In his effort to be the commentariat hall monitor,..

                    One could assume he is infatuated with it.

            3. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

              Before Musk decided to go full Qanon

              And there it is. Exactly like Sarckles. Thanks for proving my point in your rebuttal, shill.

          2. Zeb   7 months ago

            A base model F150 is less than $40k (which I still find shocking, base model pickups used to be some of the cheapest vehicles you could get). You can get pretty well kitted out ones for considerably less than $100k. I’d say that’s priced out of the norm and it’s ugly, has a stupidly short bed (making it useless as a substitute for a normal pickup in many applications) and outweighs regular trucks.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   7 months ago

              Uh-oh. Now you've done it. You're just dunking on Trump via criticism of Musk because you're a Nazi, and "everybody knows it".

              1. Zeb   7 months ago

                I quite like Musk, but Cybertruck looks stupid and I can't see it being terribly popular with people who actually use pickups for work.

                1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

                  Less than 15% of pickup truck owners use their trucks primarily for work.

                  1. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

                    "Primarily," yeah--but that's not the point of getting one. You get it because you want the capability when you need it, and you find yourself using it for "truck stuff" a lot more often than you expect after you get them. That's what comes from having a tool like that available. The crew cabs are also great family haulers.

                    1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                      It’s funny, many of the people who tell me I don’t really need a truck are the same ones who call me first when they need something hauled.

                  2. Zeb   7 months ago

                    Not just work either. I don't use mine for work primarily. But I still need an 8' bed for what I do use it for.

                2. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

                  I've seen a couple on the road in the wild, and they're the stupidest fucking vehicle I've ever seen. It looks like a combination of something I drew as a 6th-grader when trying to design "the car I'm going to buy when I'm rich!," and the Christopher Nolan Batmobile. They actually make me want to punch the person who bought them.

                  1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                    It’s meant to resemble this……

                    http://space1970.blogspot.com/2009/11/ark-ii-1976.html

                    I’m sure some of you remember the Ark 2 Saturday morning tv show.

                3. Uilleam   7 months ago

                  Agreed

              2. Bertram Guilfoyle   7 months ago

                So Jeff, do you ever wonder why Zeb and others don't get the same mistreatment from the "mean girls" the way poor pitiful sarc and you do?

                1. Chumby   7 months ago

                  Sarc’s burned steak was black and that is why. Racism!

              3. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

                Nope. Zeb just wasn't thinking it through.

                The $109k Ford F-150 Raptor R is the CyberTrucks equivalent. Not a regular cab, manual windows, 2WD.

                But the difference between Zeb and you, is he wasn't trying to shill.

              4. Uilleam   7 months ago

                chemjeff typical collectivist

            2. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

              "A base model F150 is less than $40k"

              A regular cab two wheel drive isn't the same thing as a CyberTruck, which has the same space, power and trim level as the $109K Ford F-150 Raptor R.

              I know the you're trying to be fair but you need to compare apples to apples, and your not doing it with a base model which for all intents and purposes is a completely different vehicle.

              1. Zeb   7 months ago

                Sure. But it's still a very expensive truck, basically a luxury vehicle.

                I am out of it when it comes to new vehicles, though. I don't think anyone even makes the truck I want anymore which is single cab, 8' bed and no features other than 4WD. So I better keep my 2006 GMC going.

                1. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

                  Well yes, but the point was, where the Cybertruck sits in the truck market is the same spot where GM, Ford and Dodge have more expensive trucks.

                  Sarc was trying to pretend that the Cybertruck was more pricey.

                  Another example: the 2024 Ram 1500 TRX Final Edition is slower than the Cybertruck and has the same trim level but costs $120,000.

                  Sure it's blisteringly fast at 60 mph in just 3.7 seconds, but Cybertruck does that in 2.6 seconds. A Porsche 911 GT3 does it in 3.0 seconds.

            3. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

              Good luck finding an actual base model (we're talking XL or XLT, short bed, 3.3L V-6, I'm presuming) F-150 on a dealer lot, though.

              1. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

                Yes, dealers usually only order those in for commercial customers. Otherwise they rot on the lot.

        5. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

          Get professional help.

          1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

            Nobody going to take that job.

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   7 months ago

            For once, maybe you ought to look at the real culprits making this place a shitty garbage fire and tell them to knock it off, instead of always looking at the people trying NOT to do so.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

              You mean the shitty culprits like you, Shrike, M4e, misconstrueman, White Mike (and whatever he calls himself now), MollyGodiva, Misek, JFree, etc?

              If not for you guys, this places wouldn’t be a massive dumpster fire.

            2. R Mac   7 months ago

              You should apologize for calling sarc a drunk. Twice.

              1. Chumby   7 months ago

                Sarc was drunk twice -or- Jeff twice called Sarc a drunk?

                1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

                  It could be both.

                2. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

                  "sarcasmic had an alcohol problem and suffers personal consequences as a result." - Jeffy upthread.

                  1. Chumby   7 months ago

                    Alcoholism exacerbates TDS?

            3. Bertram Guilfoyle   7 months ago

              Jeff, knock it off.

              Done.

            4. EISTAU Gree-Vance   7 months ago

              Why, Jeff, do you come to a place that you consider a “shitty garage fire”? I like this place, but I can’t figure coming here if I hated it.

              Your masochism and self flagellation are part and parcel of why you get so much well deserved flack around here. You project the typical weakness and self loathing of a collectivist liberal, and then can’t understand why that is so repulsive.

              Seriously dude, take a break. You’re getting more bitter by the day. You and jasont20 are gonna give yourselves heart attacks around here.

      4. Its_Not_Inevitable   7 months ago

        And here we go again. WTF

  6. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   7 months ago

    Yeah saying grab em by the pussy is crass, if he wanted political to like him he should have been a procecuters that falsified evidence and testimony, the keep prisoners locked up past their release date to use them as slave labor

    1. Bertram Guilfoyle   7 months ago

      Yeah saying grab em by the pussy is crass

      Intelligent conversationalists like sarc, jeff, and plug would never stoop to using language like this.

    2. Chumby   7 months ago

      Had he said, “Grab ze by the front hole” it would have been acceptable.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        And gender-affirming.

      2. Jefferson Paul   7 months ago

        It's called the "bonus hole," bigot!

        1. Chumby   7 months ago

          Is “axe wound” also acceptable?

    3. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      Plus, at “town square” meetings, all the questions should be known in advance.

      1. Randy Sax   7 months ago

        Plus, at “town square” meetings, all the questions should be known written and handed out to audience members in advance.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

          Make that carefully-screened audience members.

          1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

            Because situations like this mimic the pressures of sitting in the Oval Office.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

              For Biden they do.

          2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

            Make that carefully selected staffers.

    4. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

      "grab em by the pussy is crass"

      Not sophisticated like trying to shower with your teenage daughter, or getting your married boyfriend to make you DA.

      1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

        Or being a blatant plagiarist.

  7. shadydave   7 months ago

    The Daniel Penny trial is a farce. New York really seems to adore politically motivated prosecutions these days.

    1. Super Scary   7 months ago

      Yeah, he's screwed.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        Is this how Snake Plissken got his start?

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   7 months ago

      Not the bee has a story about a cunt from NY complaining about men no longer defending chicks on the subway.
      If all the NY loosers get raped and murdered I wouldn't care

      1. R Mac   7 months ago

        If it’s the same lady, someone made a meme of a previous post from her saying how horrible Penny was at the time of the incident.

    3. See.More   7 months ago

      > New York really seems to adore politically motivated prosecutions persecutions these days.

      FIFY

  8. Spiritus Mundi   7 months ago

    Obama, when speaking at the Democratic National Convention this past summer, managed to slide it in: "Here's a 78-year-old billionaire who has not stopped whining about his problems

    Remind me again the number of assassination attemps Obama had. What a clown.

    1. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

      Say, Barry. What's the penalty for a President employing the Director of the FBI, the Deputy Director of the FBI, the Chief of the Counterespionage Section of the FBI, the Director of the CIA, the Director of National Intelligence, and members of the Justice Department and the State Department to gather dirt on members of the opposition political party in an effort to ensure his former Secretary of State wins the Presidency?

      What happened to Nixon? Maybe John Dean should have used active duty CIA and FBI people to spy on Nixon’s political opponents instead of the retired Hunt and Liddy.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        Obviously (D)ifferent.

    2. Moonrocks   7 months ago

      Wasn't this guy just whining about how black men won't obey his whims?

  9. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

    First they came for the losers and hypochondriacs...

  10. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

    Despite growing up as an upper middle class kid with two professor pare ts, Kamala used a program to help socio economic disadvantaged students to actually get into a lower tier law school. Worked on committee to help prevent future Clarence Thomas's from same program.

    https://x.com/LauraPowellEsq/status/1848437283176808661

    1. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

      She's half Brahmin, literally the most privileged group of people on the planet for three thousand years, over a quarter white Caribbean slave owner, less than a quarter Afro-Caribbean slave owner. She has zero African American in her ancestry and her ancestors were never slaves in the US.

      Remarkable.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        Seasoned with Berkeley smugness and strident superiority.

  11. Mickey Rat   7 months ago

    "My Catholicism is showing."

    In other words, basic human decency over experience and worshipping death. The Canadian government has set up perverse incentives for itself surrounding eurhansia.

    1. Randy Sax   7 months ago

      I thought the entire point of assisted suicide is that you were physically unable to do it yourself. Hence the "assisted" part. If you wana kill yourself, go nuts; but do it yourself - sheesh.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        "Do it yourself" is a violation of progressive collectivist core principles.

        1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   7 months ago

          “You didn’t kill that!”

    2. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

      You have no idea how awful the government's euthanasia program is up here. The Liberal's deliberately engineered it to have almost zero safeguards.

      1. Mickey Rat   7 months ago

        That tracks with what I have been seeing from Canada. The cultural progressivism really thinks convincing these lives they think unworthy of life to off themselves is "compassion".

        1. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

          Fortunately the Liberals are tracking in the toilet. Trudeau has only 30% support amongst 55+ which is his strongest demographic. With 18-35's he's close to 20% support 70% unfavorable.

          He actually lost the popular vote to the Conservatives in the last two elections, but thanks to electoral district tomfoolery he still won more seats.

          1. The Margrave of Azilia   7 months ago

            "He actually lost the popular vote to the Conservatives in the last two elections, but thanks to electoral district tomfoolery he still won more seats."

            Abolish the Electoral College, I mean Parliament.

  12. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

    Act Blue investigation has begun looking into straw donations from foreign donors.

    https://justthenews.com/accountability/political-ethics/congress-expands-probe-democrat-fundraising-seeking-bank-reports

    In bombshell letters to Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, FBI Director Christopher Wray and Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines obtained by Just the News, House Administration Committee (HCA) Chairman Bryan Steil, R-Wis., and Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., revealed that Congress is probing whether four specific foreign adversaries have routed money to Democratic Party campaigns during the 2024 election.

    “We write to you to raise an urgent concern regarding potential illicit election funding by foreign actors,” the lawmakers wrote Yellen in a letter dated Thursday. “CHA has been investigating claims that foreign actors, primarily from Iran, Russia, Venezuela, and China, may be using ActBlue to launder illicit money into U.S. political campaigns.

    Thankfully we can ignore the information since jeffsarc doesn't like the source.

    1. Chumby   7 months ago

      Fifty-center boss 1: Bring out the Blimp.

      Fifty-center boss 2: But the Blimp is sleeping eating.

      Fifty-center boss 1: Well I guess you’ll just have to go wake him up now won’t you.

      Gulp Friction

    2. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      All those foreigners donating to act blue must be conservatives.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

        Wonder why they would all prefer conservatives infiltrating the DNC as candidates.

    3. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

      Color me so shocked that foreign donors would be funneling laundered campaign contributions through ActBlue. It’s the only reason you use straw donors who don’t even know they’re donors. Some people really need to go to jail for a long time for this shit.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

        A long history of it on the left from Clinton to Obama. Usually just given a small fine when caught. It isn't like they listed an NDA as a legal expense.

        1. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

          Goes way back. The Chicago jokes were old when I heard them as a kid. I bet Tammany Hall knew them before the Civil War.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

            Fun fact: when Chicago residents voted to incorporate back in 1837, there were more votes counted than actual residents in town.

            1. shadydave   7 months ago

              My favorite Chicago election joke: after the fall of the Soviet Union, Moscow wanted to hold their first Mayoral election. Lacking the voting infrastructure, Moscow acquired some old voting machines from the City of Chicago.

              Election night they announced the election results on TV, and were shocked to discover that the winner of the first ever mayoral election in Moscow was Richard J. Daley.

      2. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

        Some people really need to go to jail for a long time for this shit.

        Which is why the Democrats and deep state realize that they can't lose this election. Without a corrupt DOJ, they are fucked.
        If by a miracle Trump manages to get past the fraud factor, he and Vance are as good as dead.

    4. ravenshrike   7 months ago

      What this means is that they're going to pin all the illicit funding on the foreign countries and go to ground with the homegrown political money laundering, at least for a couple years.

  13. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

    Amazing town hall for Kamala last night.

    Tim Murtaugh
    @TimMurtaugh
    Oh my.

    Audience member at Kamala Harris event wanted to know if they could ask questions.

    Nope.

    The questions are “pre-determined.”

    Seriously.
    Video

    https://x.com/TimMurtaugh/status/1848476703179350112

    1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      She’s a girl, you have to make it easier for her.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        She's a middle class, brown, Brat girl. They don't do questions.

        1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   7 months ago

          Lol. The dems put so much effort into crafting an image that they didn’t get the memo that authentic is back in style. Even if it’s crass.

          Kammy doesn’t even know what she needs to unburden herself from since she doesn’t know who she is.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

      They claimed Reagan read from a script. Kamala can’t speak without a script.

      1. Chumby   7 months ago

        That evil Putin freestyled for several hours with Tucker Carlson on Russian history and Cackles needs prepared underhand pitches.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

          Pitches? More like T-ball.

    3. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

      Most of the audience was paid actors. Why should they be allowed to go off script?

    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

      Bulldog face Liz Cheney doing her part to advance the Uniparty.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        Is Liz the spawn of Satan? Or has Satan been rebranded?

    5. Super Scary   7 months ago

      "The questions are “pre-determined.”"

      I think it would save some time to point out when the questions aren't pre-determined.

      1. Chumby   7 months ago

        Did Willie Brown, the married man with whom you had an affair and who gave you a promotion that you did not earn through merit, wear boxers or briefs?

        1. mad.casual   7 months ago

          Willie Brown

          2024 became the genitalia campaign circa 1995 in San Francisco.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

            Freud (and some Reason commenters) told us it's always about penises.

  14. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

    News from Obamas AG in case you were curious.

    Jimmy Quinn
    @james_t_quinn
    New: Obama-appointed attorney general Loretta Lynch is representing DJI, a U.S.-designated Chinese military firm, in its lawsuit against the Pentagon.

    In a statement to National Review,
    @EliseStefanik
    accused Lynch of "selling out" to China.
    @NRO

    https://x.com/james_t_quinn/status/1848373684353835494

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

      Did Hunter help get her that job?

  15. Ajsloss   7 months ago

    Obama... managed to slide it in:

    After a hawk tuah. Gotta spit on that thang.

    1. Chumby   7 months ago

      Possibly. He might not be an Arnold Palmer.

  16. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

    I've never understood the Georgian land value tax.

    * How does anyone establish the unimproved value of any land? Is all of Manhattan worth $24? Appraisals for market value are vague enough as is. I bet 10 appraisers would be lucky to be within 10% of each other, and if you asked them again a week later, they'd all have different values again.

    * The US is roughly 2 billion acres. A uniform federal tax to support the current federal budget would have to be $3000/acre. That's lost in the noise of every city, and bankruptcy for every farm and ranch. Remember, this is the unimproved value, not its market value.

    * If you have separate appraised values for farms and ranches, surely some sections are more valuable than others, just for being closer to rivers. If you admit that a uniform rate is not necessary for Georgian land value taxes, then don't farms and ranches need graduated appraisals? If you split a farm in half and appraise them separately and get different values, doesn't that mean the previous single appraisal was wrong?

    * If you combine two city lots so you can build one bigger house, doesn't that mean its combined unimproved value is different than the previous two values? Could be less, could be more, I can see arguments either way.

    If anyone can tell me where my thinking has gone astray over the Georgian land value, I'm all ears, or eyes as the case may be.

    1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      Who said anything about assessments being fair or accurate?
      You will pay the tax assigned to you or you will forfeit the land.

      1. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

        Gosh why didn't I think of that! Government, unfair? Gosh.

    2. JFree   7 months ago

      The value of land is the market price of a transaction less the depreciated value of improvements. That is not calculated parcel by parcel but in the same way you’d gather geographic comparables.

      There would be no ‘uniform federal land tax’ on an acreage basis because ‘acreage’ is not a land VALUE comparable. Nor is any federal infrastructure even remotely allocable on an acreage basis.

      City lots are a reasonable comparable because the infrastructure that the land tax is supposed to pay for is comparable – same roads, sewage/water/flood, police/fire, school, park, etc. So one lot that is a parking lot and the adjacent one that is an office/apartment building would have the same/similar land VALUE tax. Rather than wildly different prop tax.

      1. JFree   7 months ago

        To give an idea of how some federal infrastructure could be allocable by land rather than say an income/excise tax.

        The geographic value of highways is similar to toll roads. The access ramp - with some geographic radius around it - is where the value of that highway gets incorporated into the value of the land from one owner to the next. The volume of traffic at that access ramp is probably the best measure of maintenance burden (and probably the capital related to road life expectancy

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

          JFucked for really stupid land valuations. Eat shit and die, asshole

        2. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

          A highway is an improvement. On-off ramps are improvements on improvements. Neither has anything to do with Georgian unimproved land values.

          1. JFree   7 months ago

            Improvements have everything to do with Georgist land taxes. If you don’t understand classical economics (which is not at all the same as ‘neoclassical’ or marginalist economics), then don’t start with calculating a land value tax. Start with understanding the difference between land, labor, and capital. That’s what classical economics from Physiocrats to Smith to Ricardo (to George) focused on. All of that is ignored by ‘neoclassical’/marginalist which was, in fact, a successful attempt to destroy classical economics.

            Since you are clearly not really interested in the topic, and also admit to knowing nothing about it except as a way of propounding some BS ideology you want to sell, I have no interest in engaging with you.

            1. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

              Explain one simple concept then:

              If Georgian land value is all about the unimproved value, what do improvements have to do with it? Why did you bring them up?

              The geographic value of highways is similar to toll roads. The access ramp – with some geographic radius around it – is where the value of that highway gets incorporated into the value of the land from one owner to the next. The volume of traffic at that access ramp is probably the best measure of maintenance burden (and probably the capital related to road life expectancy

              And what is the "geographic value"? Is that just another name for "land value"? If it is, then how can a highways and toll roads be part of the land value, since both are improvements?

              Maybe Georgists have a different concept of "improvements". I was schooled recently by an economist on "consumer surplus" and "producer surplus", and "rent seeking" took me a long time to understand as not being related to landlords and tenants.

              Go ahead, teach me.

      2. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

        Thanks for not answering my question. I thought I had made it clear I knew it was an unimproved value tax, not only by calling it that, but also by asking how it could be uniform, and asking how adjacent parcels could have different values.

        You say city lots are comparable, even discuss two adjacent city lots, but piss around with the federal tax as not being "acreage" as if that is insignificant. I can promise you that one lot twice as big as its neighbor will have twice the unimproved value ... unless you are claiming that adjacent lots can have different per-acre values because of geographical distinctions, which you seem to claim can't be the case with city lots. But tell me, would not city lot on the waterfront have a different unimproved value than one further inland? If adjacent lots have same values, then where does the chain end? Waterfront lot A had a value, does adjacent lot B have the same value, and so on all the way to the edge of the city several miles away where it stops at a swamp or cliff?

        In other words, Georgian land value is a crock of shit, and you can't prove otherwise, thus confirming my opinion that Georgian land value is a crock of shit.

    3. ducksalad   7 months ago

      I’ll attempt a good faith answer:

      Your thinking on Georgian land value is correct, there is an element of arbitrariness to assigning an unimproved value to land. It’s not naturally additive, as you point out with your example of combining or splitting lots.

      I think most advocates would concede all that, and would also concede that it’s not a good tax in the sense that there’s no such thing as a good tax. It’s more about what kind of tax is better if you have to have some kind of tax.

      The supposed advantages: Compared to conventional property tax, it doesn’t punish or discourage development. Even though the appraisal value is necessarily somewhat arbitrary it’s less arbitrary than assigning values to structures, which have values very specific to the person buying them (e.g. many people consider a swimming pool a strong negative).

      Compared to taxes on income, general wealth, or sales, it’s less intrusive. It doesn’t require keeping records according to government rules and reporting on a government schedule. And for the same reason, it's also doesn't advantage dishonesty and cheating (at least on the part of the taxpayer), because it's very hard to hide land.

      Finally, from an ethics point of view, one could argue that the real service the government is providing is title to the geographical land, not the stuff that happens to be built on it, therefore that is the only thing they should be taxing.

      Probably not convincing but those are the reasons I’ve seen.

      1. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

        Thanks. It's still not really clear to me why it's so much better, but I've read enough web pages to also be confused. One topic which came up several times was the remark that renters are immune to the Land Value Tax, or maybe that the Land Value Tax is invisible to renters, as unique among all taxes.

        This makes zero sense to me. Every business expense is passed on to consumers -- taxes, labor, and the cost of the land. Land near a swamp or volcano presumably has less Land Value than waterfront parcels; so of course the rent will differ even if the buildings are identical, or if the only thing rented is the bare land and all improvements are just trailers which can be relocated in minutes.

        1. JFree   7 months ago

          Land value tax is paid by the owner of the land. You can see how with my example of a parking lot next to a building. When both taxes are similar (which they will be for adjacent city lots), the owner of the parking lot may not earn enough income from parking fees to cover land taxes. They will be incented to either develop the land to generate higher income – or sell the land to a new owner so they don’t need to pay those taxes. What they WON’T do is just sit on the land leaving it idle as a parking lot, speculating on some future land price increase, while paying high land taxes (and higher land taxes in future to cover any govt infrastructure that leads to even higher land prices).

          The owner (or the next one) WILL develop the land to generate higher revenue. So in my example – they will build something like maybe a multi-use building. Their land taxes will NOT increase – unlike ‘property taxes’. So in fact there is no tax burden to pass on to those who will occupy the building and generate revenues for the owner – unlike property taxes. They can certainly try to make the buildings tenants pay – but as I said there are no actual increased costs to pass on to those tenants of the new building. The tenants of the existing building – and all the potential vacant spaces in the immediate vicinity – serve to compete away any economic ability for the land owner to pass land taxes on to anyone else.

          The only way land owners can pass on land taxes to others is by collusion and political corruption which is what happened and is why Georgism declined soon after it peaked. Land owners colluded to redefine any tax system reform from a land tax into either a ‘property tax’ (where a vague but large amount of that tax can be passed on to others and hence cannot be competed down to be paid directly) or an ‘income tax’ (where income from labor can be glommed with income from land rent and is then paid by ‘everyone’ rather than land owners). More recently that collusion has turned into zoning pressure, bank/mortgage/financing provisions (formerly called redlining), etc.

          The collusion is very powerful politically - but NOT inevitable or economically necessary/required.

          1. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

            I'm not interested in collusion or corruption or anything criminal. I have a very simple question:

            What makes the Land Value Tax impossible to pass on to renters -- what makes it unique among all other business expenses?

          2. ducksalad   7 months ago

            JFree, maybe you have a different definition of “pass on” than the rest of us.

            In your example, when that person who would have been content to own a parking lot is forced to turn it into an apartment building, they are doing it precisely and entirely for the purpose of passing on the unsustainable tax bill to the new tenants.

            1. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

              Ha! Good point. Guess it shows how little I understand it.

            2. JFree   7 months ago

              That tax bill is only unsustainable to the owner who CHOSE to keep the land undeveloped. Unable to generate revenues. That similar land tax bill is completely sustainable to the owner who is able to generate revenues by developing it. Like the owner of the land/building next to that parking lot.

              It may look like the parking lot owner is passing those unsustainable costs on to tenants of their development. But look at the owner of that existing building as the parking lot next door turns into a building. The tenants there now have options for space – with significant pricing competition. The existing building owner will have to lower prices to prevent tenants leaving. Who is paying for that price reduction? The existing building owner.

              In an existing ‘property tax’ system, it is impossible to even understand how distorted ‘land development’ has become. When 26% of Atlanta’s downtown – the most valuable land in Atlanta – is ‘parking lots’, it becomes a bit clearer as to how much development is strangled at the margin (turned into speculation demand instead – which increases land prices but not land value) by a property tax system rather than a land tax system. And yes – that is because land owners do not have to pay property tax – so they can just sit on unproductive undeveloped land forever like a dog in a manger. If/when they do have to pay land tax instead of property tax, that land will be developed.

        2. ducksalad   7 months ago

          Agreed, every business expense is passed on to the renters, at least in the long run.

          Having said that, suppose a government is intent on extracting $1M in taxes from 10 one-acre parcels of land, one of which has a 100 unit luxury high rise while the other 9 are undisturbed wasteland. In the “normal” system, the taxes would likely be something like $900K on the high rise and $100K on all the rest put together, or $9K per tenant. In the unimproved-value system, each acre would be taxed at $100K or $1K per tenant.

          The problems I have with unimproved-value: Realistically it severely targets farming and people who want some space, since the governments' real objective is a certain total revenue. And, for the reason above, it privileges renting over owning, which I think is corrosive to property rights in the long run.

          1. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

            I've thought of situations like that too. Suppose the Land Value is only based on land within one mile. It encourages building skyscrapers one mile apart with only roads in between them.

            There's also something pernicious about valuing and taxing those skyscrapers based on the unimproved farmland around them, and valuing and taxing the farmland based on the skyscrapers around them. That's if I've got this right. Several descriptions I read said valuations were ONLY in comparison with surrounding land, not the parcel's own valuation. So if I make my parcel more valuable, my neighbors pay more tax, because my improvements, while not valued directly, show that my land is more valuable because I have shown it to be more capable of being improved. This is similar to me owning swampland which is hard to improve next to farmland which is easily improved. The farmer builds a skyscraper, my valuation and tax goes up, while he's still next to an unimprovable swamp and his valuation and tax remain low.

            Those incentives are all backwards.

            I wrote a bunch of stuff down once, trying to understand this LVT, and remember mostly (1) so many self-contradictions that every site I read seemed incoherent, and (2) so many contradictions with each other than the whole concept seemed incoherent.

            I eventually concluded that maybe it made more sense when half the population lived on farms and improvements were limited to single houses and shops and dirt roads, with a few railroads and harbors too isolated to matter much.

            1. JFree   7 months ago

              That’s if I’ve got this right.

              That's because you DON'T have it right. A land tax system is not based on a property tax system. It is based on the LAND value and the cost of the infrastructure that supports that land value. Which as I said is market price of transaction less depreciated value of improvements.

              Your farmland-skyscraper scenario is beyond stupid. Skyscrapers are only going to built where land values have already increased BECAUSE the infrastructure that increased those land values is already in place. A land tax system is not going to create some explosion in demand for skyscrapers in Nebraska. It's going to create an increase in demand for development in places where the govt costs (read tax burden) for infrastructure that increases land value is met through land taxes rather than through distorting taxes like property, income, sales, and all the other taxes that land owners don't pay.

              1. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

                No, I'm talking about someone building a skyscraper with a mostly self-contained community precisely where the surrounding land values are so law that his land value is low.

                Build a skyscraper with 1000 apartments, a dozen grocery stores, hundreds of other shops, a few auto garages and so on, and put it in the middle of a bunch of farms. It's just like a town of 1000 parcels in the middle of farm country, but it's on a single parcel, and its value is based on all that unimproved farmland surrounding it, so its Land Value remains low.

                Why would that not work? I'm not talking about a business skyscraper. I'm talking about cramming a small town into one vertical building instead of 1000 separate buildings on 1000 separate parcels.

                1. JFree   7 months ago

                  Go for it if you want. But there is a reason that skyscrapers and other ‘densification’ ideas are never built where land values are low. It is BECAUSE land values do not increase simply by building skyscrapers. They increase because of highway access, port/harbor development, utilities infrastructure, street grids, schools to educate a labor force, police/fire, etc. All the things that create a demand for companies, for a workforce. That create enough of all of those so that a true comparative advantage can be created in a community that will sustain itself and that will have a reason to exist.

                  Basically that’s govt in a classical liberal era. It was often the model for Midwestern towns to develop over time but Galt’s Gulch never built any of that. Ayn Rand fiction could always have a deus ex machina show up and move the plot along. ‘Farmland’ doesn’t build any of it either. Nor is farmland a profitable use for land that HAS all that infrastructure. There is no possibility for a land infrastructure that can support a skyscraper on its footprint – with land infrastructure that can only support farming/ranching/timberland immediately off the footprint.

                  There is certainly a long history of land value and development along the lines of the ‘county seat’ or small town. Which is much different than the suburban sprawl shit (which is residential-based only). But it ain’t skyscrapers or urban either.

                  1. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

                    Please bear in mind the distinction I made. I am not discussing a classical skyscraper built for crowded cities full of expensive businesses who pay for the expensive property taxes.

                    I am talking about converting a small rural town from 1000 parcels into a single isolated skyscraper built on one isolated low Land Value parcel surrounded by low Land Value farmland. Its business case has nothing in common with the high property tax city parcel's business case.

                    Because my skyscraper is surrounded by low Land Value land, its Land Value is low.

                    How does this business case jibe with Georgian Land Value?

                    1. JFree   7 months ago

                      It basically doesn't. You are avoiding saying WHY those land values are what they are.

                    2. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

                      I'm avoiding nothing. I may be ignorant, but avoiding requires intent.

                      My understanding is that any parcel's unimproved Land Value is based on comparison with its neighborhood, however that is defined. My example includes the explicit stipulation that these rural town skyscrapers are built in farm land far enough apart that their neighborhood for that Land Valuation is only farmland. And since it is farmland, it presumably has no higher Land Value, or it would be developed.

                      Furthermore, because the rural town skyscrapers are rural towns, not high value business skyscrapers, they do not increase the surrounding farms' Land Value any more than a flat spread out rural town would.

                      Where have I gone wrong?

                    3. JFree   7 months ago

                      Why is that farmland valued the way it is valued? Because it has ‘farmland’ level infrastructure. The one-mile township road (might not even be paved). Soil quality. Irrigation. Access to a nearby silo and county seat stuff. Not even the sort of farming infrastructure that in places like NL can produce very intensive greenhouse agriculture.

                      Why is the big building going to be valued differently? It won’t because there is nothing different about that infrastructure than the surrounding farmland. Not even the infrastructure of an actual county seat type town where farmland is not surrounding that downtown.

                      So you can spend money on building a building if you want. But it ain’t gonna generate enough revenue to even enough to cover the costs of the building itself. As the building deteriorates over time, it will simply become obvious that whoever built it made a dumb mistake and the NEXT buyer of that building will let it fall down and it will convert back to farmland.

                      Land value tax is simply irrelevant to encouraging development like you’re positing. In rural areas, a land value tax tends much more to reduce large/consolidated landholding and plantation-style agriculture. For reasons that make sense if you understand classical economics. An example of where that sort of Georgism had a big impact is Denmark from 1920 to 1960 or so. Would have also had a big impact in China if Sun Yat Sen had lived and the KMT had done land reform instead of a civil war.

                    4. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

                      This rural skyscraper is replacing a rural horizontal town. Why does it have to cost more to build and maintain than 1000 individual homes?

                      Besides which, this is a thought experiment, not an attempt at realistic analysis. Don't change my thought experiment, then tell me why it won't work. The point of thought experiments, like spherical cows, is to gain understanding. I am not trying to build a rural skyscraper. I am trying to understand Georgian tax.

                      Your first two paragraphs show you understood my thought experiment, but then you said it's unrealistic and refused to answer my question about the Land Value. That doesn't help understand the problem.

                    5. JFree   7 months ago

                      Why are 1000 people going to move to that place? If this is a thought experiment, then think on it. Henry George did.

      2. JFree   7 months ago

        The supposed advantages: Compared to conventional property tax, it doesn’t punish or discourage development.

        It's even more significant than that because of the way land is different from both labor and capital. Both labor/capital can be 'destroyed' with a very high tax rate. Labor can choose not to work or can 'flee' across borders. So the supply of that factor can - and does - change correlated with tax rate on that factor. That is why those taxes distort behavior and can be analyzed on that basis.

        Land. The supply existed long before humans and hasn't changed. Supply of land is not created by humans. The value of it is almost purely a matter of intensity (development) not quantity - and not a marginalist supply/demand equilibrium. Unlike the other two factors - a high land tax DRIVES increased development because it creates a high cost to keeping the land idle/speculating. It also keeps land price low.

        In economic terms - it forces land ownership into the hands of those who can generate the highest return on that land in order to pay the taxes on the value of that land. Sometimes extremely so.

        1. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

          Building a skyscraper which can house 100 times as many tenants as a single house effectively increases land area. It also means they are all renters, even if the buy them as condos, since they still pay maintenance fees to the skyscraper owner.

          Does Georgism count that as effectively increasing land area? Why, or why not?

          If I find an underground cavern, does that count as separate land from the surface ground above? If I then create a cavern with a salt mine, or tunnels with coal/gold mines, are those separate from the surface area above?

          Do lakes count as land area? Does a dried up lake or river increase the land area? Does the reservoir created by a dam decrease land area? Are houseboats improvements or simply additional land area? And if they are improvements, does that force the water body to be counted as land if it was not before, or counted as additional land if it already was?

        2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   7 months ago

          “…..I have no interest in engaging with you.”

          20 comments ago. Lol. What a doosh. Go away now, j.

  17. Nobartium   7 months ago

    If you thought giving doctors the power to kill wasn't going to go how it did, raise your hands.

    1. Zeb   7 months ago

      I'll admit I did not. It shocked me when I first heard of people who thought it was reasonable in a case of mental illness. Preventing suicide is supposed to be one of the main goals of treating mental illness, FFS.

  18. lwt1960   7 months ago

    The Canada assisted suicide law is acting exactly as intended. They want those who will be a drag on the socialized medicine system to disappear. Withholding treatment to make life unbearable is a clear strategy. I'm sure Justin Trudeau believes these poor souls are being honorable by not taking resources from those who "need" it. When will they wake up to what he's doing? Sounds a lot like Logan's Run is the logical end destination.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

      Renew!

    2. Its_Not_Inevitable   7 months ago

      Sanctuary!

  19. Commenter_XY   7 months ago

    UKR update: The Kursk counteroffensive has stall, and is slowly being ground down, and rolled back. North Korean regular army troops are now fighting alongside their Russian counterparts.

    It is time to find an exit ramp.

    1. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

      In Kursk, exit ramp finds you!

    2. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      Good thing we didn’t get involved!

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

        The big issue here is to what extent the Russian military is really degraded by this war, AND how robust their own MIC is to get everything rebuilt once it's over.

        Ukraine's being used as a meat shield because the Nulandites in the CIA and State Department are desperate to get their Black Sea villas in the Crimea back.

        1. R Mac   7 months ago

          Yes, but the Ruble is in rubble from the sanctions, right?

          1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

            SleepyJoe called it!

          2. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

            Barney R. approves this message.

        2. Chumby   7 months ago

          Likely not much; they must have imported many washing machines before the SMO began. They now have first hand experience with next gen warfare of drones and hypersonic missiles against someone other than goat herders.
          They are currently advancing on a Kiev held coal mine that provides much of the fuel for Ukraine’s steel industry.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

      UKR update: The Kursk counteroffensive has stall, and is slowly being ground down, and rolled back. North Korean regular army troops are now fighting alongside their Russian counterparts.

      Oh, that's just fucking super. Now these guys are getting actual combat experience, rather than just bullshit exercises, in the event Kim decides to reunite Korea again.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

        And to think, we have the Democrats and the neocons to thank for this. Great job, Joe and Victoria.

        1. Chumby   7 months ago

          For those that see foreign adoption as a dating service, having millions of fatherless children available is seen as a positive.

  20. Uncle Jay   7 months ago

    "...Chinese tell Cubans to stop with the Communism..."

    That'll be the day.
    The Cuban communist party elites would be executed on the spot if they would ever loosen their grip on those unfortunate people on the island gulag of Cuba.
    The tragedy of it all is Cuba has had food rationing for decades, is now rationing water, buildings are falling down, and their electrical grid has failed them.
    All of those tragedies would disappear if capitalism would return.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

      It's not really a surprise, though. China hasn't practiced communism in the traditional or even post-modern sense, ever since Deng reformed the government into a hybrid of the mandarin and socialist systems with an ethnonationalist cloak, and purged the Maoists out of the government in the wake of the Cultural Revolution.

      Ironically, China's leaders have accepted that the communist utopia is never going to happen, but are quite happy to keep encouraging that stupid belief in western mass media and academia since they have first-hand experience in how it causes nations that practice it to fall into chaos.

      1. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

        Xi is doing his best to revive the dictatorial aspect of Mao. Succeeding at recreating Mao's economic successes so far.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

          It’s really more fascist than communist. China has private companies and works closely with them (even controlling them) instead of owning them outright.

          1. Bloodaxe   7 months ago

            Socialism just with a different name and different legal fictions, or "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" (中国特色社会主义).

        2. mamabug   7 months ago

          I've always thought of it as a reversion to the Chinese norm of God-Emperors with merchants as an unprivileged class.

      2. mad.casual   7 months ago

        China hasn’t practiced communism in the traditional or even post-modern sense

        To this day, *true* socialism has never been practiced.

        1. ducksalad   7 months ago

          No coincidence that the one who came closest to the real thing, Pol Pot, was also the most lethal on a per capita basis.

    2. Stupid Government Tricks   7 months ago

      The difference in just one year would self-decapitate lefties from their heads spinning around.

      I remember an article from years ago, some damn fool claiming that capitalists sucked because if they had their way in Cuba, all the quaint old vehicles and buildings and infrastructure would be modernized. No doubt the same damn fool is today writing articles on capitalism ruining the pristine slums and jungle in Africa.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        Ask those elitists what happened to the indigenous people they chased out of national parks to make the scenery look more "natural".

  21. VinniUSMC (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   7 months ago

    "Arnold Palmer was all man" has Politico in an uproar because the mentally ill Leftists of Politico insist that not all men have penises and women can have penises too.

  22. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

    "..."Size matters: 2024 becomes the genitalia campaign," reads a rather flaccid headline from Politico..."

    Gee, Liz found one other outlet with a raging case of TDS! How.............
    boring.

  23. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

    “Kamala Harris town hall host Maria Shriver ‘pre-determined’ questions”
    […]
    “A political town hall event with Vice President Kamala Harris and former Rep. Liz Cheney featured ‘pre-determined questions’ the moderator admitted, as one voter in the room asked if she could ask a question.
    Former California First Lady Maria Shriver kicked off the town hall in Birmingham, Michigan by welcoming voters to the event and noting the historic nature of having both Cheney and Harris talking politics.
    ‘Are we going to be able to ask a question?’ asked a woman in the audience.
    ‘You’re not, unfortunately we have some predetermined questions,’ Shriver replied. ‘And hopefully I’ll be able to ask some of the questions that might be in your head, I hope so.’…”
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kamala-harris-town-hall-host-maria-shriver-pre-determined-questions/ar-AA1sFV9A?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=827e09d5bc8242b9b75d2cbcb54bab68&ei=13

    That is not a "town hall" meeting, that's a scripted political advertisement.

    1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

      Yep. It’s an infomercial.

  24. Use the Schwartz   7 months ago

    LOFL @ the Left appealing to decorum and tradition.

    Gimme a fucking break...

  25. Bloodaxe   7 months ago

    Forgive me for finding it all rather ghoulish, I fear my Catholicism is showing.

    I’m an atheist and okay with people killing themselves (though Canada’s MAID scares me, for the obvious reasons). That being said, I agree, this one is a ghoul. And what a creepy laugh, especially when she says that the interviewer could get “nasty illnesses”. Like Kamala, laughing inappropriately.

  26. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

    "The former president is delivering a closing argument that expressly embraces locker room talk," reads the subhed, saying it all hearkens back to Donald Trump's 2016 run, in which the Access Hollywood tape, and the "grab 'em by the pussy" comments became a major scandal. Trump at the time defended his older comments, saying it was just "locker room talk."

    Locker room talk. What feminists despise and beta males don't understand.

  27. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

    'it was really kinda sorta former President Barack Obama who started the dick jokes'

    But who has the biggest dick joke in the Obama family?

  28. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

    'Trump's populist appeal has long involved marshaling the lowbrow for his own personal gain; this campaign is no different.'

    Uh, Liz, your coastal elite is showing.

  29. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

    "The formal complaint made on CBS' alleged distorted interview 'is not frivolous': FCC's Brendan Carr"
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-formal-complaint-made-on-cbs-alleged-distorted-interview-is-not-frivolous-fcc-s-brendan-carr/vi-AA1sImqJ?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=547488e7d7494b87875615bccc63919e&ei=55

  30. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

    "An expert committee reviewing euthanasia deaths in Canada's most populous province has identified several cases where patients asked to be killed in part for social reasons such as isolation and fears of homelessness"

    How about for living under a Nazi MAGA fascist Conservative regime?

  31. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

    "...and the “grab ’em by the pussy” comments became a major scandal..."

    It was a "major scandal" to TDS-addled shit piles and no one else.

  32. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

    'Legally speaking, Canada's law is supposed to require a "fatal diagnosis" or "unmanageable pain" but, in fact, these new reports out of Ontario provide solid evidence that doctors have been euthanizing people who do not meet the criteria.'

    You know who else "euthanized" people who did not meet the criteria?

    1. JohnZ   7 months ago

      Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pott, Castro.....

      1. Its_Not_Inevitable   7 months ago

        I think the criteria in those cases was "They're in my way" or "I don't like them".

      2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

        You can add Trudeau to the list.

    2. Social Justice is neither   7 months ago

      Being born is a fatal condition, eventually.

  33. Bill Dalasio   7 months ago

    Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein has lost the support of her family members, including her adult sons who want her to stop running.

    First it was the Kennedys with RFK Jr., now Stein. Basically, the Democrats demand loyalty to the party over loyalty to principle or family. And they call Trump voters a cult.

    1. shadydave   7 months ago

      Cultural Revolution 2, Electric Boogaloo.

    2. Zeb   7 months ago

      Maybe she'll endorse Trump too.

  34. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

    'The case has become a bit of a Rorschach test for many New Yorkers: Either Penny's actions feel warranted, his desperation when faced with erratic public behavior relatable, or Neely—whom the media frequently refers to as a beloved Michael Jackson impersonator—was brutally victimized by someone who acted far too aggressively than the situation called for.'

    More like either you are a reasonably realistic person or a woke race grifter.

    1. shadydave   7 months ago

      The NYT is pretending like Neely was doing an impromptu performance of Billie Jean and Penny came up from behind him and strangled him to death.

      Surprisingly the actual events don't match up with that characterization.

      BTW, Al Sharpton gave Neely's eulogy. In case that bit of information helps you figure out what's going on here.

  35. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

    'Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein has lost the support of her family members, including her adult sons who want her to stop running.'

    Did she stop making sandwiches?

    1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      The dishes are piling up in the sink!

  36. JohnZ   7 months ago

    Politico is another left wing rag. Much worse than even the WaPO and N.Y. Times. At least Politico doesn't have The View, but, more than a few times they have gone so far out in left field, they are nearly in the stands.
    Their views are completely left wing so it's no wonder they attack Trump and every Republican and the people who support them.

  37. Dillinger   7 months ago

    >>The comments they’re reacting to, though crass, were not offensive toward women or tacit endorsements of sexual assault.

    it was Country Club talk in the 70s and 80s amongst the gents and the ladies.

  38. Dillinger   7 months ago

    >>It's true that Trump appears to have no respect for any of the decorum that used to be a requirement for seeking high office.

    lol look at the blue blood conservative.

    1. mad.casual   7 months ago

      If you're going to be so crass as to talk about menstruation and lady dick at least have the decency to drive a woman off a bridge first.

  39. Dillinger   7 months ago

    >>Trump's populist appeal has long involved marshaling the lowbrow for his own personal gain

    or he's just a dude who has some money and people like him.

  40. Dillinger   7 months ago

    >>The case has become a bit of a Rorschach test for many New Yorkers:

    the rest of world sees it correctly.

    1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

      NYC could really use Rorschach right now.

  41. Dillinger   7 months ago

    >>new reports out of Ontario provide solid evidence that doctors have been euthanizing people who do not meet the criteria

    Strange Brew was a warning, not just a hilarious movie. stay the fuck out of Canada.

  42. mad.casual   7 months ago

    2024 becomes the genitalia campaign

    2024 became the genitalia campaign when a woman with no biological children was coronated without a vote.

    Arnold Palmer isn't running for office.

    1. Dillinger   7 months ago

      everyone knows why the cat ladies are fascinated with Arnie's 9-iron.

    2. Super Scary   7 months ago

      "2024 became the genitalia campaign when a woman with no biological children was coronated without a vote."

      Quick reminder that Biden installed Ketanji Brown Jackson based solely on her gender and race. He said himself he would choose a black woman first and foremost.

  43. Dillinger   7 months ago

    >>Cuban officials going to China for advice and them saying "maybe try stopping being Communist" is the funniest thing ever

    maybe ... China does own the Simpsons library now

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq6s8G5hwzE

    1. Ajsloss   7 months ago

      What happened to you, China? You used to be cool.

      1. Dillinger   7 months ago

        and if it's illegal to bribe a jury, well, I'll soon be guilty of that, too.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        Sorry, China's just not into you any more.

  44. Dillinger   7 months ago

    >>A pretty good chronicling of Kamala Harris’ rise in San Francisco high-society world, and how it led to her political career.

    Harmeet Dillon laid it all out two weeks ago and it wasn’t paywalled.

    1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      Just more lip service.

  45. Heraclitus   7 months ago

    To say his supporters don't care is an understatement. He is treated as special. The question going forward is will other candidates be afforded the same level of tolerance for their wacky statements? If they talk about dicks and enemies within will they get a free pass? You know, just telling it like it is? Let's face it, the answer is no. The right in this country only knows one thing - protect their man at all costs and if that means throwing out reason and consistency so be it. And then when people express sadness that norms have been chucked out the window mock them.

    The country is getting what it deserves. The media is a for-profit enterprise not up to the task. Here is a little thing. Trump accuses CBS of editing an interview. How many stories have you seen about the nature of political interviews and how often and to what extent they get edited? One would think this could be written while on the toilet because they just need to investigate themselves. But no. Crickets. Instead, we get treated to more stories about how Trump is suing CBS. Once again, he gets away with it and instead of shutting this down and pointing out how FOX carries Trump's water every day they just lay over for this.

    1. Bertram Guilfoyle   7 months ago

      Trump accuses CBS of editing an interview.

      That's all it is. Just run-of-the-mill editing.

    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

      To say anyone other than your mommy gives a shit about your blatherings is totally false.
      FOAD, asshole.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

      'The right in this country only knows one thing – protect their man at all costs and if that means throwing out reason and consistency so be it.'

      Where were you on Biden back in July?

      Fuck you.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   7 months ago

        Why does Trump get the infinite benefit of the doubt? Why do you and your team not hold him to any standard whatsoever?

        1. Dillinger   7 months ago

          hold T to the KH standard. see where you end up.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   7 months ago

            You’re expecting Jeffy not to use a double standard with his TDS?

            1. Dillinger   7 months ago

              wouldn't figure he'd have it in him to game that out anyway

            2. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

              The thing Jeff loves about double-standards is that he gets to have twice as many as less principled people.

              1. Chumby   7 months ago

                Double chin? Check.

                Double cheeseburger? Check.

                Doublestuff Oreos? Check.

                Double standards? You betcha.

    4. chemjeff radical individualist   7 months ago

      Yup, Trump gets the infinite benefit of the doubt. He is like the Pope, totally infallible.

      1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

        Too funny.

      2. Bertram Guilfoyle   7 months ago

        This is said by whom?

        1. Mother's Lament   7 months ago

          Nobody. But he's called Lying Jeffy for a reason.

      3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

        He isn’t infallible. But his faults aren’t dealbreakers.

    5. Bill Dalasio   7 months ago

      Or maybe his supporters see the utter hypocrisy of the whole BS game? I'm sorry, but I'm not all that impressed that a guy doesn't tell off-color jokes and wears clothes from the right tailor when he's flooding our country with desperately poor people from the Third World, enmeshing us in pointless foreign wars and taking a big fat dump on the rights we've recognized since the Magna Carta. In fact, I'm sort of sick of the disingenuous prigs telling me "That's not who we are!" when it comes to confronting people who want to destroy my life and proving, the first time someone threatens their absolute control of the discourse, that that is exactly who they are and always were. And I'm not exactly a huge fan of ostensible libertarians sitting there trying to convince me that propaganda and censorship are the pinnacle of a free society.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   7 months ago

        ^ Yeah all of that.

      2. R Mac   7 months ago

        ^

      3. Chumby   7 months ago

        Sir, well said.

      4. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

        And I’m not exactly a huge fan of ostensible libertarians sitting there trying to convince me that propaganda and censorship are the pinnacle of a free society.

        To be fair, that's mostly coming from the left and their lapdogs on the Jonah Goldberg right at this point.

    6. Super Scary   7 months ago

      I'm just going to support the party that doesn't hate me for my race and skin color, thanks.

    7. Rick James   7 months ago

      To say his supporters don’t care is an understatement. He is treated as special. The question going forward is will other candidates be afforded the same level of tolerance for their wacky statements? If they talk about dicks and enemies within will they get a free pass?

      I guess we should look into the party of Jeffrey Epstein and see what falls out of that tree.

      1. Zeb   7 months ago

        I seem to recall some old dude going on about "MAGA Extremists" as if they were an enemy within. Who was that again?

    8. I, Woodchipper   7 months ago

      in elections, small minds focus on people and personality and words.

      great minds focus on the ideas.

    9. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

      The right in this country only knows one thing – protect their man at all costs and if that means throwing out reason and consistency so be it. And then when people express sadness that norms have been chucked out the window mock them.

      Absolute nuclear-grade lack of self-awareness here. And of course, there's the appeal to OUR PRESHUS NORMS as if your side doesn't have the double standard of Marcuse's "liberating tolerance" as the keystone of your political theology.

      Get the fuck out of here with these bullshit complaints about Trump's crassness. You dipshits have no credibility on that score at all.

    10. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

      The country is getting what it deserves. The media is a for-profit enterprise not up to the task.

      The media are almost entirely on your side, fuckface. Sounds like your main complaint is that it's partisan loyalties have been laid bare for everyone to see, and people don't accept their narratives anymore.

    11. EISTAU Gree-Vance   7 months ago

      Everything Is So Terrible And Unfair, clit.

      Haha.

  46. Dillinger   7 months ago

    >>i told chatgpt to roleplay as a brilliant LLM that's trained on the entire internet and has strong opinions.

    interesting! I revel in not knowing what LLM means.

    1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      You will soon regret not knowing the history of your new master.

      1. Dillinger   7 months ago

        Red Barchetta ... not just a car lol

    2. mad.casual   7 months ago

      Limited liability model 🙂

      1. Dillinger   7 months ago

        lol aren’t they all?

    3. Rick James   7 months ago

      Large Language Model.

      1. Dillinger   7 months ago

        lol what part of revel did you miss?

        1. Rick James   7 months ago

          I like to deliver disappointment. Like quietly revised FBI statistics... which are still too low.

  47. chemjeff radical individualist   7 months ago

    Wait wait, I thought Arnold Palmer's daughter thought Trump's comments were "no big deal". That is what all of the trusted right-wing news sources told me, right?

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/22/donald-trump-rally-arnold-palmer-penis

    Arnold Palmer’s daughter says Donald Trump disrespected her late father’s memory by fawning over the size of the champion golfer’s penis at a campaign rally over the weekend.

    “Hackneyed anecdotes from the locker room … seemed disrespectful and inappropriate to me,” Peg Palmer Wears told ABC News on Monday, two days after the former president publicly suggested her father was well endowed.

    Wears added that “people coming to these rallies” hosted by Trump as he seeks a second presidency “deserve substance about plans [he] has as a candidate”. She specifically called on him to address “some of the threats he’s made to people”, an apparent reference to how he recently suggested sending the US military against his political adversaries when voters go to the polls during the 5 November presidential election.

    “These are important issues that should be discussed for people when they’re getting ready to vote, and using my dad to cover over the important things just seems unacceptable to me,” Wears said.

    1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      Cite where he used the word penis in regard to Arnold Palmer.

    2. Dillinger   7 months ago

      and?

      1. mad.casual   7 months ago

        If you thought reporters going to daughters asking about third-hand thoughts on their dead dad's penis was bizarre, wait until you see what we come up with next!

        If this wasn't the genitalia campaign, we're going to make it into the genitalia campaign good and hard!

    3. Bill Dalasio   7 months ago

      You are aware that Palmer had two daughters, right?

    4. A Thinking Mind   7 months ago

      Okay. Sunday she says it's no big deal when she's on CNN, then Monday for ABC she says it's hackneyed and disrespectful. Now we're left to determine which version of her to listen to.

      One wonders if perhaps she got feedback following the first interview she gave which prompted the second, or if she simply changed her mind.

      1. Super Scary   7 months ago

        Facts changed, etc etc

    5. R Mac   7 months ago

      Look at Lying Jeffy go!

  48. R Mac   7 months ago

    Lying Jeffy and his Tribe at it again:

    Two illegals were just arrested in Florida for s*x trafficking a 16-year-old girl. One of the illegals was out on bond for an attempted m*rd*r.

    Kamala is our border czar.

    https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1848762431746478192

    1. Chumby   7 months ago

      If ENB pens an article on this, expect some of the details to be omitted.

      1. mad.casual   7 months ago

        Unless they transported her ashore in a duffle bag on a go-fast boat at 100 mph, it might not be the normal notion of trafficking commonly conceived by your average American.

        1. Rick James   7 months ago

          It's not sex trafficking if they asked nicely.

          1. Rick James   7 months ago

            *picks up megaphone*

            LAYERS TO THAT JOKE... LAYERS!

  49. Rick James   7 months ago

    Kevorkianism: "An expert committee reviewing euthanasia deaths in Canada's most populous province has identified several cases where patients asked to be killed in part for social reasons such as isolation and fears of homelessness,"

    Oh Liz, you silver tongued devil, you're almost making me like assisted suicide!

  50. Rick James   7 months ago

    Chinese tell Cubans to stop with the Communism

    Yes, a Marxism with fascistic characteristics, or a fascism with Marxist characteristics... whichever you prefer, both work.

  51. I, Woodchipper   7 months ago

    ladies, your vote is not a valentine. You're not choosing a prom king.

    It needed to be said.

    1. mad.casual   7 months ago

      ladies, your vote is not a valentine. You’re not choosing a prom king.

      +1

      It never would've dawned on me that this needed saying.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

        Well, some people want a nice, calming daddy for POTUS. Fuck 'em with a barb-wire-wrapped broomstick.

        1. mad.casual   7 months ago

          "I need a daddy or my world falls apart." POTUS I can conceptualize. Dumb, but conceivable and somewhat rational. Dahmer or Charles Manson as President would be pretty disruptive.

          "I need Brad the quarterback to win prom king or my world falls apart." POTUS, as the father of sons, I had not considered. Given the threatening anti-Trump letter posted the other day about "Taylor Swift who has brought nothing but good and joy into the world", it's apparently a serious (or at least concrete) misconsideration.

    2. Dillinger   7 months ago

      who knew Liz needed that Ramona Flowers song the most?

      1. Stuck in California   7 months ago

        We're here to make you think about death and get sad and stuff

  52. Chumby   7 months ago

    JD Vance is wrong about Arnold Palmer’s Package

  53. MWAocdoc   7 months ago

    “In a socialized health care system with long waiting lists, maybe there’s less incentive to doggedly pursue treatment for some of the most vulnerable people”

    This is nothing new! There has always been a significant risk inherent in “assisted suicide.” Allowing medical professionals – or worse, MANDATING them – to kill their patients puts anyone with even a vestigial conscience in a severe bind. If a person is so badly off that they want to die, there should be no law to prevent them from killing themselves. In a truly free society, the means to kill one’s self gently and surely would be easily available. Having said that, there are endless complications to suicide such as insurance, inheritance, unwitting complicity, professional ethics and on and on …

    Also in a free society there would be no such thing as “vulnerable people” because each person would be responsible only for himself, and no one would be responsible for any other adult. If she has made such a mess of her life that continuing it has no value, why should anyone else be held accountable?

  54. (Impeach Robert L. Peters) Weigel's Cock Ring   7 months ago

    Will the evil, malevolent, whitey-hatin' America-hatin' Block Insane Yomomma ever go back to wherever the fuck it is that he came from and leave our poor country alone already?

    Go away asshole, even many of your "brothers" are getting sick and tired of you.

  55. GroundTruth   7 months ago

    Trump has always been a boor. Knowing that, people still voted him into office in 2016 and cast a whole bunch of votes for him in 2020. This is not news.No one cares. He sucks, but he's no where near as lousy as either Harris or Walz on a variety of important issues

  56. Sympatica   7 months ago

    DT is an A--l- but not near as bad as the whole DNC and its candidates.

  57. TrickyVic (old school)   7 months ago

    Some people have been talking about Trump's dick for a few years.

    If they think someone talking about someone else's junk is bad, they should look in a mirror.

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