U.S.-Funded Armies Fight Each Other In Lebanon
American taxpayers underwrite both the Israeli and Lebanese armies. Now they’re shooting at each other.

It's a story that has happened before in the Middle East: an army with American weapons shot at another army with American weapons. Sometimes it's an intentional ploy; during the war between Iran and Iraq, the Reagan administration armed both sides, leading to the Iran-Contra scandal. And sometimes it's an unintended consequence, like the Syrian rebel infighting that led to the infamous headline, "In Syria, militias armed by the Pentagon fight those armed by the CIA."
The fighting between the U.S.-funded army of Israel and the U.S.-funded army of Lebanon seems to be another such consequence of U.S. policy. When the Lebanese militia Hezbollah and Israel began fighting last year, the Lebanese government tried its best to stay out of the fray. It reportedly even pulled troops away from the border when Israel announced a ground invasion and ordered Lebanese citizens to evacuate north of the Awali River. But on Thursday, the Lebanese army announced that it had, in fact, been sucked into the conflict.
"One of the soldiers was martyred as a result of the Israeli enemy targeting an army center in the area of Bint Jbeil South, and the center's personnel have responded to the source of fire," the army stated on social media. An official in Lebanon told Agence France-Presse that it was the first time the Lebanese army fired on Israeli forces throughout the war.
Two hours before, the Lebanese army had announced that one of its soldiers was killed by Israeli fire while "carrying out an evacuation and rescue mission alongside the Lebanese Red Cross in the town of Taybeh-Marjayoun," down the road from Odaisseh, a town that several Israeli troops were killed trying to enter on Wednesday morning. The Red Cross said that four of its paramedics were injured, and the Israeli army said that it would be investigating the incident.
American taxpayers have helped arm and train both the armies that are now apparently shooting at each other—and the U.S. funding was designed to prevent exactly this outcome. Israel received $124 billion in U.S. aid from 1949 to 2023, and at least $6.5 billion over the past year. The United States has also provided around $3 billion in military aid to Lebanon since 2006, including around $2 billion in weapons. Last year, the Biden administration began paying the salaries of Lebanese soldiers and police directly.
Congress sends Lebanon this aid on the condition that it will be used to "professionalize the [Lebanese Armed Forces] to mitigate internal and external threats from non-state actors, including Hizballah [sic]" and "implement United Nations Security Council Resolution 1701," which was passed after the past Israeli-Lebanese war in 2006, and calls on Hezbollah to disarm.
However, Hezbollah has refused to lay down its weapons, claiming that Israel still occupies Lebanese land in the disputed Shebaa Farms. After Hamas' October 7 attacks on Israel last year, Hezbollah began firing on the Shebaa Farms, which escalated to Israel and Hezbollah bombarding each other's border cities, forcing tens of thousands of people on both sides of the border to flee. Last week, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told the U.N. that he would fight for "total victory" in order to "return our citizens to their home safely."
Biden administration officials have encouraged Israel's strategy of "de-escalation through escalation," and are privately pitching the war as an opportunity to "reshape the Middle East for the better for years to come," according to Politico.
But President Joe Biden is publicly calling for the war to end. "We should have a ceasefire now," he told reporters on Monday. Asked whether he is comfortable with Israel launching a ground invasion of Lebanon, the president said that he is "comfortable with them stopping." If only he had some leverage over the two sides.
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>>fighting between the U.S.-funded army of Israel and the U.S.-funded army of Lebanon
Hezbollah = LDF?
No. Now go read the article and figure out what really happened.
No. You tell me.
You didn't read the article. You wouldn't read his explanation either.
Why would I have to read Petti's explanation to know that J.D. Vance is wrong?
J.D. Vance is wrong is something all right-thinking people know from the moment it was first published in the New York Times.
Israel wouldn’t exist without the hundreds of billions of dollars it has taken from US taxpayers over the last 76 years.
That shitty terrorist religious nationalist state, Israel, is on trial in the UNITED NATIONS for committing genocide in Gaza.
The US is still funding it.
Listen and abide to the UN decisions we are signatory to
OR
Toss aside everything that the UN stands for to renege on our signatory obligations and support with funding, arms and our military lives a holocaust committed by a religious nationalist apartheid state.
“The world stands upon the edge of a knife: Either we travel collectively towards a future of just peace and lawfulness – or hurtle towards anarchy and dystopia, and a world where might makes right.””
The Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (UN Human Rights)
September 18, 2024
What more evidence than what we already have against Israel, does the world need to act?
Is this the new global reality?
Being a signatory to the United Nations genocide convention is meaningless,
All nations can commit holocausts.
Or is it just JEWS and the US who can get away with genocide.
Depends who you talk to.
I don't need to read anything to know the US-funded Lebanese Armed Forces and the US-funded Hezbollah are not the same thing.
By my count, I have two dead Lebanese soldiers who may or may not have been killed by Israelis and "several" Israeli soldiers engaged in non-descript action which the LDF doesn't seem to have been involved. So it seems like Israel has genocided the LDF [counts on fingers] 6 times.
thank you. see now this is the kind of clarification necessary around here sometimes.
By those metrics Ukraine has been "fighting with" Polish farmers and Hamas has been "fighting with" Palestinian hospital patients on the side of their respective conflicts as well.
JD Vance is wrong about all of this.
Free Minds, Free Markets, and JD Vance is Wrong
Hang Mike Pence! JD Vance AND Our Dear Leader say so!!!
J.D. Vance is wrong.
The MIC wouldn’t have it any other way. Paytheon, Cockseed Fartin, and Bloeing are doing well, no?
That’s what really matters.
At least no one in Uncle Sugardaddystan is asking tetchy questions like why is this in the US interest? And if not - why/how should it change?
The US isn’t a country anymore, it’s just a weapon of the WEF.
Here’s something more fun than the caption (“Lebanese army soldiers secure the site where …”).
What happens when you ask the various military branches to secure a building?
The Army lays siege and eventually levels the building several months later.
The Marines storm it, throw grenades everywhere, shoot out all the lights.
The Navy empties the trash, turns out the lights, and locks the doors on their way out.
The Air Force signs a 7 year lease.
>American taxpayers underwrite both the Israeli and Lebanese armies. Now they’re shooting at each other.
OK? Who cares?
>When the Lebanese militia Hezbollah
Is there supposed to be a comma there? Hezbollah is not a Lebanese militia.
>Two hours before, the Lebanese army had announced that one of its soldiers was killed by Israeli fire while "carrying out an evacuation and rescue mission alongside the Lebanese Red Cross in the town of Taybeh-Marjayoun,"
We will, of course, take the word of a group of people that have continually lied - and lied poorly, depending on the support of deliberately credulous media.
What? You’ve actually found a party in this whole clusterfuck who isn’t habitually lying?
Yes. The Israelis.
The Israelis are some of the best liars on the planet even though they get caught or belatedly admit they were deliberately lying.
If you don't believe me, read your Bible!
The Devil is the Father of Lies and Jews are Children of the Devil
I care that I'm forced to pay for it.
Semi OT: good news out of Gaza.
Yazidi girl (now woman) returned to her family in Iraq after being enslaved by ISIS and sold as a child "bride" to Hamas. Was finaly freed after Israel killed her scumbag rapist "husband".
That's a great story and there aren't many from there.
You support the animals who enslaved her, sold her, and bought her (ISIS / Hamas). You oppose the people who rescued her (IDF), so GFY.
Maybe he just masturbated on her while she was being raped? I'm told that's a good thing.
I hate to admit but I almost stood up in my living room clapping upon seeing Iran bomb the hell out Israel the other night.
Antony Blinken, is that you?
Seriously though, is this a new Misek/JFree sock or is someone parodying them?
I seriously doubt you would have heard my comment out of the genocidal propagandist Anthony Blinken, I don’t know who Misek is but I have read some of JFree’s comments. Some of it is pretty good, in my opinion. Are you trying to be a control freak who likes to label people? If so, grab your torch and pitchfork and ram them up your you-know-what. Otherwise welcome to the party.
I’m curious though, are you a Zionist?
Yes. I’m not even remotely Jewish but I am most definitely a Zionist when looking at all the other options. "From the river to the sea" can lick my sack.
I’m curious though, are you a Nazi? Because J(ew)Free sure as fuck is.
River to the sea quote is originally a Zionist chant. By the way, Zionist are not necessarily Jews. They are however boot lickers.
""River to the sea quote is originally a Zionist chant."'
Does the people that have been chanting it all summer long know that?
Apparently not but in their defense they add “Palestine must be free.” Do you ever actually listen or do you just select little bits and pieces to complain about?
While burning the flags of *multiple* other countries and harassing people who have nothing to do with the conflict have any ability to change things one way or the other or occupying spaces that even more clearly weren't in dispute and weren't theirs to occupy… the way terrorists would. Yes, we’ve seen.
Do you think you’re helping Palestinians with this dishonesty or just making yourself look really, really retarded?
I’m guessing you didn’t pop from your mum’s cooch until the 2000’s or later.
Protests have awakened public support on many occasions, Vietnam being a good example.
No, no. zooneetoons has got the scoop on the rest of the world. He's not the one who's cravenly stupid. Everyone else is.
Sure, the phrase doesn't connote the exact nature occupation between the river and the sea and could even, by past Palestinian or other leadership in a distinctly anti-Hamas (who are pretty clear about purging the region of Jews) fashion be calling for peace and prosperity as a unified nation and people within the geography specified.
It could *also* be a relatively politically-agnostic folk chant or hymn along the lines of "From the mountains to the prairies... To the oceans white with foam..." that doesn't exactly call for anyone to be purged from or unified in anywhere and is just celebrating the majesty of Earth and/or our Universe.
It could also be both of those things and even more and better.
Or it could be what the dickhead who celebrates rockets being fired at civilians relatively indiscriminately, including killing several Palestinians, totally isn't trying to gaslight or propagandize you into believing it was or is.
by past Palestinian or other leadership in a distinctly anti-Hamas (who are pretty clear about purging the region of Jews)
From the river to the sea has always been about a ONE state solution. People just have very different visions about what a one state solution looks like - and have had different visions for a long time. The one that exists right now is an apartheid state explicitly Jewish supremacist but masquerading as a democracy. An ethnic democracy maybe but not a liberal democracy.
One-state solution (or maybe alternatives to the existing version) is not now allowed as a topic of conversation.
"People just have very different visions about what a one state solution looks like"
I'll say:
"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Slave of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (the Boxthorn tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."
Inshallah, right, J(ew)Free?
Yeah, the people who chant that have the view that the 'one-state' solution involves the genocide of a people that have been in the area as long as anyone else has.
But you guys forget the Arab genocides that forced Jews in the Middle East to move into Israel. Its much more convenient if you pretend they're all from Europe.
Genocide of Jews was entirely – 100% – a European thing. Nor transparently do you have the slightest clue how Mizrahi migrated to Israel.
So I’m also sure you have no idea of any alternative one state notion. You obviously prefer either the one state apartheid (status quo) or the ethnic cleansing/genocide currently under way. Like most alt right and ‘Christian nationalist’ types who infest this place.
"By the way, Zionist are not necessarily Jews."
True story, I'm not and neither were my ancestors.
"They are however boot lickers."
Better than being Hezbollah's cock sucker, champ.
Yes. I am a Zionist.
It’s been obvious.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
remember when don't feed the trolls?
Yeah, those were the days. I really need to stop responding to mtruman too.
I assure you, I am zoo in the flesh.
A boil on my arse named Zeb? Why do some of you always resort to accusing others of be being someone from your past you dislike? It’s such a silly response, and desperate too!
I appreciate posts like that. He wasn't a grey box yet, and now he is. Very helpful of him to post that for me.
Well prepare yourself for the return volley as it will be a dozy. The last time Iran fired rockets at Israel, Israel responded with only a warning shot; I doubt they will be so merciful this time. And please save us from your crocodile tears and remember you were clapping for this.
Yeah, the Zionists needed a butt kickin. They will probably need more, sadly, or they’ll NEVER stop engaging in genocide.
A butt kickin it wasn't; it was an invitation for Israel to attack Iran. Israel suffered no losses, but will inflicted damage on Iran in retribution for their act of war. And remember you clapped for this.
And save the genocide crocodile tears bullshit. This is what happens in war, a war Hamas initiated with the backing of Iran. They are not innocent parties to the conflict, they are the belligerents. Israel has not engaged in genocide in the slightest.
I would say three destroyed Israeli airbases and numerous F35s was a pretty good ass kicking. But I guess not when like the Zionists you regard success by how many civilians you kill it’s not such a big deal.
The rest of your lies are as transparent as hating to admit it.
Naw, I hate to see anyone die. Unfortunately genocidal maniacs have to be stopped. Am I still being too transparent?
"genocidal maniacs"
Say, how many Gazans have actually died in the last year from genocide?
You mean when Iran *failed* to bomb much of anything in Israel the other night.
Because their performance has basically been - massive drone attack: zero. Massive missile attack: One Palestinian killed.
I hate to admit but I almost stood up in my living room clapping upon seeing Iran bomb the hell out Israel the other night.
Well, that's one way to loudly proclaim yourself to be a Nazi piece of shit.
Gomer, very little difference between you Zionists and Nazis in my book. Most in the Corps feel the same way I do about genocidal nut-jobs like yourself.
U.S.-Funded Armies Fight Each Other In Lebanon
The backslapping and laughter going on at Foggy Bottom right now must be a sight to see. Just like Christmas but with stock apps instead of wrapped gifts.
So the alternative is what, exactly? Withhold aid to Israel so they have to nuke Iran, Gaza, Yemen, and Southern Lebanon? And Malaysia, for that matter (who is a big supporter of Hamas and Hezbollah, despite being no where near the region)
Because Israel isn't going anywhere and they aren't going to lay down and die because radical Muslims really really hate Jews
It's funny how people who hyperventilate at the prospect of Russia using nuclear weapons because we are helping Ukraine, ignore the far more obvious likelihood of Israel being forced to use them. They wouldn't do it lightly, but it's something that's on the table in a worst case scenario.
Your argument doesn’t even make sense. We’re supposed to let any nation who has nukes commit genocide to whoever they want and even fund them to do so to boot? You ARE a Zionist, huh?
What genocide?
I don't think they understand what the word "let" means either.
The massacre Israel is inflicting on Gaza. By the way, are you going to standby while SGT calls you Misek?
Check your indentations.
If Israel wanted to kill all the Palestinians, they could. That is clearly not their intention as Palestine is a region with one of the fastest growing populations in the world. As the last few weeks have shown, they are very competent when it comes to killing the people they want killed.
Genocidal maniacs are seldom ever able to kill all of their targets. Zionists know that but it doesn’t stop them from trying, right Zeb?
There is no genocide, nutbag. Unless you count the same kid that's whipped out for the cameras with a different "injury" every time the Israelis blow up all the ammunition in a "hospital" or "daycare". The poor tyke's died and been wounded so many times he's a one man massacre.
Then there were all those poor plastic dollies lying dead in the rubble, and that dead guy in the morgue who was a doctor in a hospital two weeks later and then a brave policeman with an injury. How he suffered.
Israel wants to eliminate the Palestinians from Palestine (and apparently Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and anywhere else on the same side of the planet). That ethnic cleansing has been a public goal of Zionism for well over 100 years. From the beginning the goal was an ethnostate - or for Christian Zionists some rapture or something. Even the slogans - making the deserts bloom and land without a people for a people without a land - affirmed that goal.
But Israel was founded on a serious collective trauma/victimhood as a/the core of their identity. So being found responsible for committing genocide would eliminate Israel's moral authority which it believes is important and unique.
So - how can you commit genocide without getting caught or without being blamed?
I believe the formula they have found is - ethnic cleansing intent + refusal of object to leave + rendering the land uninhabitable = genocide. Maybe it will work for them, maybe it won't. Certainly they have managed to eliminate the publicizing of a real death count by hitting the hospitals repeatedly.
I find it repugnant. I think anyone who goes along with this as if they don't know what's happening is worse than repugnant. And since the US is totally complicit in this genocide (which include American journalists like the ones here at Reason) , we are as/more responsible than Israel.
As the last few weeks have shown, they are very competent when it comes to killing the people they want killed.
And that is precisely why one should assume that them attacking hospitals and dropping bunker busters on children is not because Hamas is so devious in urban combat. Israel has both intention and competence - same as the pager attack - behind what it is doing in Gaza.
I’m impressed. Are you familiar with Norman Finkelstein? He’s one of my heroes.
Yes. Haven't read him but I've seen some of his interviews on YouTube. He knows what he's talking about.
Ilan Pappe, Edward Said, and Shlomo Sand also bring different perspectives from the mainstream stuff which is entirely shit/myth.
I thought you didn't know what "Misek" meant. Another lie.
I just saw a post by a Rob Misek (I think it was “rob”). I let him know he had a fan club. I think I’m on his shit list now too. Imagine, you and me on the same shit list.
““ I value, discern, accept and share truth.
You’d be wasting your time trying to refute it.”
How do you read “shit list” into that?
If you speak truth, I will accept and share it with you.
If you lie, we will be in conflict.
Neither I nor the truth, reality, need a fan club.
Fair enough.
Misek go home.
^Best comment ever from zoonazi.
If anyone resembles a Nazi, it’s a Zionist. I can’t figure out if you are trying to insult or compliment me, lol.
No, if any one is a Nazi it's you.
(By the way I posted Bertram sips turds from a teacup but decided I shouldn’t reveal any of his secrets. Changed my mind now, Bertie, you turd sipper you).
And you just earned yourself a seat in the Reason therapy counseling sessions, Bertie. Wear your diaper.
Everything that the US has done in being Israel's poodle over the last year has harmed the US.
Don't worry Champ, you'll push them into boxcars again one day.
Also, to stop a war, you have to have leverage on both sides. The Lebanese army isn't the main antagonist, it's Iran (and its proxies) and Israel,
Democrats trying paying the Danegeld to Iran, but shockingly, they just used the money to pay for more stuff for their proxies.
American taxpayers have helped arm and train both the armies that are now apparently shooting at each other—and the U.S. funding was designed to prevent exactly this outcome.
Sounds an awful lot like deliberate revisionism/retcon. Must be Petti or one of the other fundamentally immoral and dishonest CATO flunkies who can’t write a fictional narrative that passes the whiff test any better than a team of Amazon Tolkienbots.
OK, if the US was funding to prevent people from shooting, they wouldn’t be providing them $2B in weapons. Whether people approve or not, we do foreign aid *and* gun control, the idea that we would give them guns to leverage them to stop shooting is fundamentally retarded.
Now, it’s clear from the story that at least one, if not both, sides are regarding this as “blue on blue”. I know that at the lofty Cato tower, nothing ever unexpected happens, everything always goes according to plan, and everyone has the clear-eyed, long-range vision that would put soaring raptors to shame but, in the real world, especially in war, especially with irregular enemies known for hiding among the populace, people wind up inadvertently down range when they, the range, or both shouldn't be there. And as tragic as it is when it happens, stirring the pot and trying to play it off like it’s something it’s not and practically trying to pit the two sides against each other is about the most dishonest, scummy, anti-humanitarian thing you can do.
What’s odd is how few non-interventionists pop up in comments here. Either it’s just one more bit of hypocritical ‘libertarian’ bullshit. Or the MisesMAGA paleonihilist crowd loves weaponizing ‘anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism’ as their edgelord alt-right bigot shtick.
It’s the latter.
This is a forever-war that can end only with a regional peace agreement that includes the two-state solution, i.e. the creation of an economically viable Palestinian State on the West Bank. The agreement must be based on UN Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338, which means that all illegal settlements on the West Bank must be dismantled. If that doesn't happen, the war will go on until all sides are down to knives and rocks and even those are running short.
An official in Lebanon told Agence France-Presse that it was the first time the Lebanese army fired on Israeli forces throughout the war.
Well that was dumb. Why would you fire on the good guys? What they should be doing is firing on the Hezbollah/Iranian forces throughout the war, to throw off Tehran's grip on their neck.
"American taxpayers underwrite both the Israeli and Lebanese armies. Now they’re shooting at each other."
So no matter the outcome , we win . Brilliant