Reason.com - Free Minds and Free Markets
Reason logo Reason logo
  • Latest
  • Magazine
    • Current Issue
    • Archives
    • Subscribe
    • Crossword
  • Video
  • Podcasts
    • All Shows
    • The Reason Roundtable
    • The Reason Interview With Nick Gillespie
    • The Soho Forum Debates
    • Just Asking Questions
    • The Best of Reason Magazine
    • Why We Can't Have Nice Things
  • Volokh
  • Newsletters
  • Donate
    • Donate Online
    • Donate Crypto
    • Ways To Give To Reason Foundation
    • Torchbearer Society
    • Planned Giving
  • Subscribe
    • Reason Plus Subscription
    • Print Subscription
    • Gift Subscriptions
    • Subscriber Support

Login Form

Create new account
Forgot password

Reason Roundup

Biden's 'Don't' Strategy

Plus: Starlink saves lives, prescient Norm MacDonald, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 10.3.2024 9:34 AM

Share on FacebookShare on XShare on RedditShare by emailPrint friendly versionCopy page URL
Media Contact & Reprint Requests
President Joe Biden peers into the crowd during a campaign speech. | TANNEN MAURY/UPI/Newscom
(TANNEN MAURY/UPI/Newscom)

Joe Biden's Iran approach: Last night, the Israeli military struck about 200 targets in and around Beirut, including at least one medical building. This was following Tuesday's attack on Israel from Iran, via almost 200 ballistic missiles; Hezbollah, the terrorist group Israel is fighting in Lebanon, is backed by Iran. It remains to be seen what type of response Israel will go with when fighting Iran directly, but in the meantime, the military seems intent on continuing its campaign in Lebanon. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu added yesterday that Israel is engaged in "a tough war against Iran's axis of evil."

President Joe Biden's response to all of this was to publicly signal that he would not support Israel if they decided to strike Iran's nuclear weapons development sites.

Back in April, when Iran and Israel exchanged missile strikes that were largely symbolic, Israel chose to strike near Isfahan, in northern Iran, close to Iran's nuclear facilities. This time around, top Israeli officials are signaling that they're considering a similar approach, though possibly more drastic.

"Israel may respond to Iran's major Tuesday ballistic missile attack by striking strategic infrastructure, such as gas or oil rigs, or by directly targeting Iran's nuclear sites, media reports said on Wednesday, citing Israeli officials," reports The Times of Israel. "Iran has significantly advanced its nuclear program since the Trump administration pulled out of the 2015 nuclear deal," reports The Wall Street Journal. "It is the only non-nuclear weapons country to produce 60% enriched uranium and has enough near-weapons-grade nuclear fuel for around three bombs." In other words: Iran is close to having such capacity, and it is in Israel's best interest to attempt to cripple such infrastructure.

"The answer is no," said Biden, when asked if he would support an Israeli response targeted at the nuclear sites. "All seven of us agree that they have a right to respond, but they have to respond proportionally," the president said, referring to the group of seven countries (Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the U.K., and the U.S.).

This is not so different from the Biden/Harris strategy that's been making the rounds: The policy of simply telling Hezbollah and its Iranian backers "Don't!" As in, "Don't escalate your attacks on Israel." (Just one problem: They keep doing so.)

I'm in total shock that Biden and Harris telling Iran "don't" didn't work pic.twitter.com/2OB9Z4IS5q

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) October 1, 2024

"Netanyahu's government—along with other Israeli leaders—has threatened reprisals against Iran. Yair Lapid, an Israeli opposition leader and former prime minister, said Iran must pay 'a significant and heavy' price, while Naftali Bennett, one of Netanyahu's rivals, called for Israel to 'destroy Iran's nuclear program, its central energy facilities,'" reports Bloomberg. 

Domestic politics implications: Perhaps the most awkward thing about the timing is that Biden's handpicked replacement jockeying for the role of president has so very little foreign policy experience. The election between former President Donald Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris looks awfully close, but will Harris' lack of foreign policy experience become an even greater liability over the next month as the situation in the Middle East heats up further?

Nobody knows how this will play out, but some commentators are saying that Iran is no longer positioned to hide behind its proxies, given that Israel has now made a dent in both groups.

"Ironically, it was the threat of reprisals by Hezbollah and, to a lesser extent, Hamas, that was supposed to help dissuade Israel from any direct attack on Iran," notes The Wall Street Journal. "Now, however, Israel's success in degrading the two militant organizations, both considered terrorist groups by the U.S., has set the stage for a potentially bigger hit."

"Hezbollah and Hamas are paralyzed temporarily and Iran is exposed," Bennett tells the Journal. "Right now, they're naked, they don't have the ability to protect themselves. Israel has the greatest opportunity in 50 years to change the face of the Middle East."


Scenes from New York: Who is Mayor Eric Adams' lawyer? Meet Alex Spiro. A sampling: "Spiro is one of the city's most familiar stock characters—a brawling, meticulously groomed, in-your-face attorney whose client list draws from the upper heights of the world's wealthiest and most notorious. Adams, of course, is another kind of New York fixture: the made-for-the-tabloids mayor trailed by corruption allegations. The fact that they found each other amid Adams's historic indictment for bribery and fraud is probably not surprising. Spiro has represented Jay-Z, Mick Jagger, and Alec Baldwin, all to success. But while Spiro's confrontational style has brought him a book of clients that would be the envy of any defense attorney, the Adams case is proving to be wildly unpredictable, and it could humble lawyer and client alike."


QUICK HITS

  • "The last four years have turned out to be somewhat of a golden age for organized labor. Workers have won tough organizing campaigns against Volkswagen and Amazon, bold new contracts have secured better wages in dozens of industries, and a labor union-friendly administration has cracked down on wage theft and restrictive employment agreements," writes Lee Fang on Substack. "But the winning streak could face a major test with the International Longshoremen's Association's decision to close many of the country's most important ports."
  • Jacobin writer theorizes that normal Americans hate the fact that people can make good money without having earned a college degree. Pretty sure that ain't it, chief:

I think it's probably the "threatening to shut down half the economy" thing that bothers normal Americans https://t.co/1qUtmEAfwQ

— Liz Wolfe (@LizWolfeReason) October 3, 2024

  • Why can't vice presidential contender Tim Walz figure out that so-called "hate speech" is perfectly legal?
  • Tyler Cowen interviews Kyla Scanlon (guest on Just Asking Questions).
  • Speaking of: This episode with Erika Sanzi—critiquing the school curriculum battles, the "book-banning" arguments, and that terrible book, Gender Queer—is getting tons of love. Check it out if you haven't already!
  • Always down for some anti–Jones Act posting:

The stupidity of the Jones Act incentivizes companies to do insane things pic.twitter.com/yVkymRXfvL

— Alec Stapp (@AlecStapp) October 2, 2024

  • True:

Had the FCC not illegally revoked the SpaceX Starlink award, it would probably have saved lives in North Carolina.

Lawfare costs lives. https://t.co/FF0ugexP2g

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 2, 2024

  • It's my newsletter and I can Norm MacDonald if I want to! Enjoy this old clip that made its way across my desk, and this one where he jokes on The View—24 years ago!—about Democrats stealing the election and Bill Clinton murdering people and then they get super mad and tell him to shut up over and over again.

Start your day with Reason. Get a daily brief of the most important stories and trends every weekday morning when you subscribe to Reason Roundup.

This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged.

NEXT: J.D. Vance Is Wrong About Toasters—and Global Manufacturing

Liz Wolfe is an associate editor at Reason.

Reason RoundupPoliticsCampaigns/ElectionsElection 2024
Share on FacebookShare on XShare on RedditShare by emailPrint friendly versionCopy page URL
Media Contact & Reprint Requests

Hide Comments (347)

Editor's Note: As of February 29, 2024, commenting privileges on reason.com posts are limited to Reason Plus subscribers. Past commenters are grandfathered in for a temporary period. Subscribe here to preserve your ability to comment. Your Reason Plus subscription also gives you an ad-free version of reason.com, along with full access to the digital edition and archives of Reason magazine. We request that comments be civil and on-topic. We do not moderate or assume any responsibility for comments, which are owned by the readers who post them. Comments do not represent the views of reason.com or Reason Foundation. We reserve the right to delete any comment and ban commenters for any reason at any time. Comments may only be edited within 5 minutes of posting. Report abuses.

  1. Chumby   8 months ago

    Waiting on updates of how much money Israel, Ukraine, and Taiwan have donated to help those impacted by Hurricane Helene. The current reported amount is $0.

    1. HorseConch   8 months ago

      I’m sure all the illegals we’ve been blowing our FEMA budget on will start a GoFundMe for them.

      1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

        Chemjeff rubs hands together and cackles with glee:

        FEMA spent SIX HUNDRED AND FORTY MILLION DOLLARS on illegal immigrants this year and now it has no money for disaster relief

        1. Idaho-Bob   8 months ago

          Cackling right along with the creatures cheering about conservatives losing everything from the hurricane.

          1. R Mac   8 months ago

            Have they heard of Asheville?

            1. Chumby   8 months ago

              No matter who, and what they have been through, they will always vote blue.

            2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

              Most of them think it is a beach resort.

            3. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

              Sacrifices must be made for the revolution

        2. HorseConch   8 months ago

          We’re running a $2T deficit in the midst of supposed great economic growth, but our agencies people count on are flat broke.

          1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

            Because they used it on importing a new electorate and serf class to replace the gross one that they don’t like anymore.

            Getting your way can be expensive.

            1. Vernon Depner   8 months ago

              Black Americans have gotten too uppity and unemployable for them, so they need to import a new underclass to replace them.

          2. damikesc   8 months ago

            That might be the most insulting part of everything.

            We are in debt so bad — and what the hell do we have to show for it?

            1. Chumby   8 months ago

              Fiona’s many food truck options.

              1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

                2.6 million on the road last year.

        3. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

          “IT’S WHAT YOUR TEAM WANTED!”

        4. Minadin   8 months ago

          If you can’t turn a natural disaster into a management failure into a [permanent ongoing increase in] funding request, you’re doing bureaucracy wrong.

          It takes a true master to do it by funnelling a billion dollars specifically toward non-Americans. That’s the icing on the cake.

        5. Chumby   8 months ago

          Jeff would like to get in on that gravy train, but then again anything with gravy becomes an object of his desire.

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        The illegals are helping with cleanup by robbing the houses.

        https://nypost.com/2024/09/30/us-news/eight-migrants-accused-of-looting-in-flood-ravaged-tennessee/

        1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

          So culturally enriching.

        2. Chumby   8 months ago

          Am on a homesteader group in TG and seeing posts of signs in the affected areas:
          YOU LOOT, WE SHOOT

          1. HorseConch   8 months ago

            Since there won’t be any outside help, there won’t be any outside law enforcement investigating their new garden plots they dug fresh in the fall.

        3. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

          They’re also slashing the tires of trucks bringing in supplies.

          1. Vernon Depner   8 months ago

            Why?

            1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

              Applications for Hamas membership.

              This is the same thing they do I’m the Texas oil fields. Delay response to give more time for stealing.

        4. R Mac   8 months ago

          Risking dangerous conditions to do jobs American criminals won’t.

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

            Look fat. They said they were sorry when caught. As far as Jeff and I are concerned they shouldn’t be punished.

            1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

              Did they ejaculate on a child? Because because Jeff reliably informed me that makes things less bad.

              1. HorseConch   8 months ago

                Was the child too drunk to say no?

        5. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

          They can just claim “means of releasing frustration and anger” related to their “migration experiences and socio-cultural homelessness.”

          I mean, if that excuse works for gang-rapists, surely a little looting has got to be covered.

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nine-men-convicted-of-gang-raping-a-15-year-old-girl-but-only-1-will-go-to-jail-german-court/ar-AA1kVqn1

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

            https://reason.com/2024/06/24/byo-a-c/?comments=true#comment-10615352

            https://reason.com/2024/06/25/americas-mayors-say-the-heartland-needs-immigrants/?comments=true#comment-10616918

            Jeff agrees

            And sarc defends Jeff.

            https://reason.com/2024/06/27/double-haters/?comments=true#comment-10619303

            1. Chumby   8 months ago

              JD Vance is wrong about bears in trunks.

            2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

              It’s funny how Sarc defends Jeff and Pluggo, and previously defended White Mike, but claims to be neutral and look at “boaf sidez”. He’s merely a lying sack of shit weasel, and that’s in insult to both shit and weasels.

              1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

                He really is utter garbage.

                1. Idaho-Bob   8 months ago

                  He hates Americans and American businesses.

              2. R Mac   8 months ago

                Maybe not shit but definitely weasels.

        6. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

          They have to stock their food trucks somehow.

        7. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

          A few folks here will be along to point out “The defendants are migrant workers who are in the country legally on work visas, a sheriff’s spokesperson told The Post Monday.”

    2. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      The only damage was to a North Carolina toaster factory, and nobody wanted to work there anyway.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

        North Carolina town that produces quartz needed for tech products is devastated by Helene

        SPRUCE PINE, N.C. (AP) — Two North Carolina facilities that manufacture the high-purity quartz used for making semiconductors, solar panels and fiber-optic cables have been shut down by Hurricane Helene with no reopening date in sight.

        News from a sarcjeff-approved site:

        https://apnews.com/article/north-carolina-quartz-hurricane-57153eaba12ba9dcb87bf618d72364ec

        1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

          The world’s primary source of ultra-pure quartz used in all silicon chips.

          1. Zeb   8 months ago

            Used in the crucibles needed to make the high purity silicon ingots for making chips.

          2. Chumby   8 months ago

            When the chips are down, folks may sue and this could end up in the quartz.

  2. Chumby   8 months ago

    Have any Reason editors visited the hurricane ravaged areas and if so, will there be any articles on it? Or should we just expect more “JD Vance is wrong…” offerings based on what MSM and social media echo chambers are saying?

    1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

      Sure the doctors advising Trump told him Ivermectin showed promise but thanks to CNN virology we knew it was horse paste.

    2. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      We never used to have hurricanes until global climate warming change.

      1. Chumby   8 months ago

        JD Vance is wrong about global climate warming change

      2. MasterThief   8 months ago

        I was screaming at the tv when they asked that question. AGW activists claim it is making hurricanes worse, but the data shows fewer storms with lower intensity. The deception is in using the costs of storm damage as a proxy for their strength. It ignores inflation, population growth, and massive development along shores and in flood planes.
        Gotta love when the moderators falsely frame questions.

        1. damikesc   8 months ago

          I am just sick of this question in LITERALLY every fucking political debate on TV. Every. Damned. Single. Time.

          It does not rank high on voters’ lists of concerns…but it seems to be tip top of the concerns for idiots who read scripts for news broadcasts.

        2. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

          It’s convenient for the left to point to hurricanes as the result of the evil-bad climate change. When a bad hurricane sweeps though an area, we see the horrible effects. That stands out in people’s minds. It’s recent. So when lefties claim the storm is worse because of climate change, most regular and uniformed people just believe it. They saw the damage the storm did. They’re not thinking about the intensity, frequency, and effects of storms from the 70s, 80s, or 90s. If they happen to do that, the devastation of those storms is not fresh in their memories, so the more recent one seems to be worse. (recency and confirmation bias)

          It all amounts to an easily believed lie perpetrated by those who would tell any lie if it accomplished their goals of “climate action.” BTW, the climate action they want would cripple our economy without actually solving the problem they hype up. It would also give funds and control to the so-called elites so we can all live in our pods, own nothing, and eat the bugs while the elites fly on private jets, acquire even more property/wealth, and dine on steak and caviar while patting themselves on the back for being the noble leaders who “solved” this problem (if there even is a problem).

  3. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

    How does a cop/mayor afford Mic’s attorney? Oh right all those bribes.

    1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

      I wonder if we’ll ever see Mayor Eric Adams’ girlfriend run for president one day.

  4. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

    The democrats bew version of masculinity. Doug Emhoff slapped ex girlfriend for thinking she was flirting with someone.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13898791/Kamala-Harris-husband-Doug-Emhoff-accused-ex-girlfriend-slap.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=social-twitter_dailymailus

    Also came out he paid off his nanny baby momma for 80k which is apparently illegal now.

    1. Super Scary   8 months ago

      “Also came out he paid off his nanny baby momma for 80k which is apparently illegal now.”

      He’ll be fine as long as he doesn’t run for president.

      1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

        Hopefully, he didn’t put the payment on the wrong column in the ledger.

      2. Ersatz   8 months ago

        ….as long as he doesnt run for president…. as a Republican

    2. Chumby   8 months ago

      If Kamala fortifies the election, Doug would be the second First Spouse with a penis.

      1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

        Mike Obama would like a word

        1. Chumby   8 months ago

          Tucker Carlson > Tucker Mike

        2. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

          Eleanor was first!

          1. Ajsloss   8 months ago

            She was a big, lesbian mule. Therefore, no penis.

        3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          He said second!

          1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

            I missed that

      2. Idaho-Bob   8 months ago

        “When” not “If”

      3. Vernon Depner   8 months ago

        Although, there have probably been several with strap-ons.

    3. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      USA Today two weeks ago!

      Campaigning for wife Kamala Harris, Doug Emhoff embodies (and redefines) masculinity

      Doug Emhoff’s potential ascent to the supporting role of first gentleman signals to men throughout the country that there’s more to their identity than their work.

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/13/doug-emhoff-kamala-harris-campaign-masculinity/75076144007/

      Time: The Doug Emhoff Model of Masculinity

      MSNBC: Kamala Harris’ husband Doug Emhoff ‘reshaped the perception of masculinity’

      NYT: Doug Emhoff, Tim Walz and the Rise of a New Masculinity

      1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

        Axios: Two versions of masculinity are on the 2024 ballot

        “It is a tonic masculinity, the antidote to toxic masculinity,” gender equity researcher and author Amy Diehl told Axios, describing Walz and Emhoff.

        The [RNC] speaker list included figures like Hulk Hogan and UFC CEO Dana White — icons to a certain, overwhelmingly male, segment of the electorate. Both have also been accused of domestic abuse. (Hogan denies the claim. White apologized last year for slapping his wife).

        1. damikesc   8 months ago

          Seems the two versions are “masculinity” and “anything but masculinity”

          I know when I want info on masculinity, some female gender equity researcher is MY first stop.

          1. HorseConch   8 months ago

            I guess beating women is less toxic than being brash.

      2. Chumby   8 months ago

        JD Vance is wrong about the current perception of masculinity.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

          And toasters.

    4. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      Lol. The bee.

      https://babylonbee.com/news/kamala-campaign-quietly-cancels-release-of-new-doug-wife-beater

      1. Chumby   8 months ago

        Black Eyes Matter

      2. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

        Related:

        DOJ Indicts JD Vance For Brutally Beating 3 Women

        1. Chumby   8 months ago

          A liberal newspaper has a poll regarding who won that debate. One has to vote to see the results; it was surprising that folks visiting a deep blue rag are picking JD Vance:

          https://www.baltimoresun.com/2024/10/01/vice-presidential-debate-poll/

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

            It’s 55-45 Vance over Walz. Gotta wonder what debate those 45% saw.

            1. Chumby   8 months ago

              Biden beat Trump in Maryland 65% to 32%. Likely more skewed in Baltimore and its suburbs. The poll is noteworthy due to blue bias and still has Vance ten points over Walz.

    5. mad.casual   8 months ago

      And, once again, the funniest part about it is the relative consequential stupidity of it.

      If the woman is slapping you and you slap her back to get her to stop? OK. She’s going to do something that you feel is too rash with the kids and you step in to stop her and protect them? OK. She’s going to key someone’s car and slash their tires or claw someone’s eyes out? OK. Still probably better to just forcibly restrain her but a slap in the face (or more) doesn’t exactly fall outside the definition of ‘forcibly restrain’.

      But flirting? The right answer is to completely walk away. If you might be wrong it’s a perfect means to cool off and think about it, you misinterpreted things and over-reacted. No blood. No harm. No foul. If you’re right, there’s no amount of slapping is going to knock the infidelity out of them and you should walk away anyway.

  5. R Mac   8 months ago

    “The answer is no,” said Biden, when asked if he would support an Israeli response targeted at the nuclear sites. “All seven of us agree that they have a right to respond, but they have to respond proportionally,”

    Winning the war is not in the MIC’s interest. Proportionally responding keeps the war going forever.

    1. Quicktown Brix   8 months ago

      All is fair in love and war…as long as it’s proportional.

      1. Small w woodchippertarian   8 months ago

        IT’S SHRINKAGE, JERRY!!!

    2. Vernon Depner   8 months ago

      Proportionally responding keeps the war going forever.

      There was a Star Trek episode about that.

  6. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

    Can’t help but notice the lengthening list of Reason articles entitled “JD Vance is Wrong: …”

    It’s like some sort of class assignment: Everyone! I want you to write 1000 words on something “JD Vance is wrong about”. Even if he’s actually completely correct, argue that he’s wrong. We’ll print it.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

      Jd Vance is wrong
      The fact that he and his wife open the windows to enjoy the smell of their city burning down shows jd Vance is not only wrong but insane.
      To top it off jd Vance printed copies of Mao little red book to give as gifts, any that thinks this is good has no place in life let alone the US.

      Did I “reason” correctly?

      1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

        Why does JD Vance look like Don Rickles?

        1. Chumby   8 months ago

          What JD Vance gets wrong about impersonating Don Rickles

  7. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

    Awful moderators challenge JD to release information that illegal immigration effects housing prices. JD complies.

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/vance-follows-through-debate-pledge-post-evidence-illegal-immigration

    According to a study from the Journal of Housing Economics, “immigration inflows into a particular Metropolitan statistical area (MSA) is associated with increases in rents and with house prices in that MSA while also seeming to drive up rents and prices in neighboring MSAs.”

    The Congressional Budget Office analysis he posted “generally found that increases in immigration raise state and local governments’ spending—particularly on education, health care, and housing—more than their revenues.”

    CATO came out and admitted it also increases costs, but declares it is a good thing.

    https://www.cato.org/blog/jd-vance-correct-immigration-increases-housing-prices-thats-ok

    CATO openly celebrating government injection of dollars to bias a market to help illegal immigrants be comfortable. Amazing. Guess they aren’t free market anymore as they applaud government injection into markets.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

      Cato became leftists shills during the nigbama administration

      1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

        Oh FFS.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

        Dude. Seriously?

      3. Chumby   8 months ago

        My brother, you can do better than to cosplay Pluggo.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

          You know who else cosplayed Pluggo?

          1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

            Misek?

          2. Chumby   8 months ago

            Jimmy the Greek?

          3. Ajsloss   8 months ago

            Epstein?

          4. Vernon Depner   8 months ago

            Diddy?

    2. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

      CATO openly celebrating government injection of dollars to bias a market to help illegal immigrants be comfortable. Amazing.”

      Now you know where Jeff and Sarckles get the idea that they’re libertarian.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        They started hiring open borders Marxists about 20 years ago. Have gone way down hill to die on the open borders religion.

        1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

          More like a hill to DEI on.

          The problem with America is that there were too many Americans and not enough other nationalities were represented. They’re changing that. Now you can vote no citizenship required.

    3. JParker   8 months ago

      No they don’t. Note the following except from the linked blog:

      The government should not seek to increase, reduce, or stabilize housing prices in the United States. It should merely respect property rights for land use and get out of the way to allow housing supply and housing demand to equilibrate to prices that change as the world does.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        Adding a disclaimer after calling the effects of government intervention doesn’t actually change the argument at the front. I know you guys like to pretend it does, but it does not.

        The raises in rents and property are occurring explicitly because of government funding for the policy it supports. They almost never come our against said funding and very weakly acknowledge the funding.

        You can’t threaten to kill everyone, state why you want to kill everyone, then just add a disclaimer at the end not advocating to kill anyone and claim you didn’t make an argument to kill anyone.

        The trick works on dumb idealist. But for most of us we look at their arguments. Not their wishful disclaimers to hide the negative issues of their argument.

    4. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      The Law of Salutary Contradiction

      Which brings us to the Law of Salutary Contradiction, whose formulation is: “That’s not happening and it’s good that it is.” While the Law of Merited Impossibility applies to the future, this one is about the present. It’s what the ruling class immediately switches to after what they insisted would “never” happen is happening before everyone’s eyes.

      Is the NSA spying on Tucker Carlson? That’s an insane conspiracy theory … which is also warranted by Tucker’s treasonous contacts with Russian officials as he seeks an interview with Putin.

      Is the Biden Administration inviting in illegal immigrants, then putting them on military planes and shipping them to the heartland? Absolutely not … and these future Nobel Prize winners deserve their shot at the American Dream.

      Once you learn to recognize this pattern, you see it everywhere. It is the cornerstone of ruling class rhetoric in the current year.

      https://americanmind.org/salvo/thats-not-happening-and-its-good-that-it-is/

  8. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago


    America First Legal
    @America1stLegal
    /1BREAKING

    The Biden-Harris NARA, Biden’s lawyers, and Obama’s legal representatives just delayed the release of Biden’s Vice Presidential records, including records on Hunter Biden and his foreign business dealings, until November 6, 2024 — the day AFTER the Election:

    1. Super Scary   8 months ago

      Biden? That’s old news! Who cares about that old man, it’s Harris time baby!

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        Meanwhile Judge Chukan rushed to release the Jack Smith filing uncluding information Smith asked yo be redacted in other filings which basically summarized to nothing Trump did in office was official business.

    2. mad.casual   8 months ago

      Surprise!

  9. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

    Had the FCC not illegally revoked the SpaceX Starlink award, it would probably have saved lives in North Carolina.

    And had the IRS, not stolen money for such FCC “awards”, the people of North Carolina would be in better position to fend for themselves.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      I think the assertion that it cost lives is debatable, but it’s an empirical fact that the administration’s utter failure at delivering rural broadband started with the FCC shutting down the Starlink contract that Musk won on bid. Meanwhile the same FCC just approved the takeover of 200 radio stations by Soros. All monopolies are equal, but some are more equal than others.

      The guy’s already putting most of the feds’ satellites into orbit and saving their astronauts. I’m sure it’s got to stick in their craw that he can deliver internet access more efficiently than they can, too.

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

        His sin is he pisses off established industries. Banking with paypal, Car dealerships with Tesla, the Unions all his ventures….

        I like his pot stirring. But his coziness with government sometimes irks me. I don’t see why, we need to subsidize broadband in rural communities. Just like I don’t like sending my tax dollars to Baltimore city schools. Elon should earn those customers by providing them with a product they want and can afford.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

          I like his pot stirring. But his coziness with government sometimes irks me.

          The only reason he’s gotten to this point is because he’s a made man, and the government ALLOWED him in the first place to get that big–mainly because he was an effective front man for pushing the agenda of the green cult and being an avatar for Genius Billionaire Science Man, but he’s also got glowie ties just like his former partner at Paypal, Peter Thiel, does.

  10. Longtobefree   8 months ago

    “Iran has significantly advanced its nuclear program since the Trump administration pulled out of the 2015 nuclear deal,”

    OR

    “Iran has significantly advanced its nuclear program since the Biden administration gave them billions of dollars and refused to enforce existing sanctions”

    1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      It’s amazing what you can buy with a pallet of cash.

      1. Ersatz   8 months ago

        Elon bought Twitter and turned it into X

    2. damikesc   8 months ago

      Can anybody explain why the Left is so damned enamored with Iran?

      How are they NOT religious fundamentalist theocrats who are viciously anti-choice and anti-women?

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        Have you heard of the victim (intersectionality) pyramid?

      2. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

        How are they NOT religious fundamentalist theocrats who are viciously anti-choice and anti-women?

        Iran also literally means “Aryan” and they speak an IndoEuropean language, but wearing robes and using Arabic script means you’re totally not white..

      3. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

        Can anybody explain why the Left is so damned enamored with Iran?

        It’s not the left, so much as the Obama cartel, thanks largely to Valerie Jarrett. The administration notably gave very little public support to the student protests there in 2009, yet just three years later was in full-throated cheerleading of the Muslim Brotherhood-backed uprisings across the Middle East. The last thing his team wants is the mullahs out of power.

      4. Dillinger   8 months ago

        >>Can anybody explain why the Left is so damned enamored with Iran?

        just as much secret money to be made there as Ukraine

    3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      All I know is that the record Iranian energy sales due to Biden Harris lifting sanctions didn’t effect conflict build up at all.

  11. R Mac   8 months ago

    “Had the FCC not illegally revoked the SpaceX Starlink award, it would probably have saved lives in North Carolina.

    Lawfare costs lives.”

    There’s a word for this, but it’ll hurt sarc’s feelings, so I’ll let you figure it out.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

      The old dun cow caught fire?

    2. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      Is it “binary”?

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        Binary definitions.

        Correct definitions
        Sarc definitions

        One or the other.

    3. Chumby   8 months ago

      Sobering?

    4. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      That’s not fare.

  12. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

    Linking to end wokeness, and quoting norm
    Liz, when you go home tonight, please have someone else start your car.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

      Start your car with the door open and seat belt off. That way, you get blown out of the vehicle to the side. Not everyone is lucky enough to be Ace Rothstein.

      https://youtube.com/watch?v=bgoBmyIXxKo&pp=ygUVY2FzaW5vIGNhciBibG93aW5nIHVw

    2. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      “please have someone else start your car.”

      Preferably Fiona or Bad Liz.

      1. Randy Sax   8 months ago

        ENB ain’t really that bad, she’s just got whore fetish.

        1. Chumby   8 months ago

          Yesterday, ENB did a clandestine hit piece on Walz which was essentially just reporting. Last week, she had that phrasing headline that may have gotten a rise out of some members.

          JD Vance is wrong about ENB.

          1. Ajsloss   8 months ago

            The headline aroused my interest.

        2. Ajsloss   8 months ago

          Mike Laureson, is that you?

          1. Chumby   8 months ago

            Mike Laursen is wrong about turduckin

      2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

        At this rate, make Boehm start the car.

    3. mad.casual   8 months ago

      Liz, when you go home tonight, please have someone else start your car.

      What makes you think that’s not the normal routine? AFAICT, the funniest part about her portion of the “Enjoy this old clip that made its way across my desk,” comment is that a jetsetting mother took time out of her busy schedule to build her own desk.

  13. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

    Well this week, after a Los Angeles restaurant refused to seat him, O.J. Simpson demanded, and got, five hundred dollars in compensation. In addition, the restaurant must now offer separate “Murderer” and “Non Murderer” sections.

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      But there are no murders in Los Angelas according to the FBI.

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

        Well its finally (been) official. Murder is legal in the state of California.

    2. Randy Sax   8 months ago

      OJ’s dead. Your joke is too late.

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

        After initially vowing never to rest until his wife’s killers are brought to justice, O.J. Simpson this week changed his pledge slightly. He now vows to have sex with hot looking models.

        1. Randy Sax   8 months ago

          Goddamn it, didn’t realize you were quoting Norm. I retract my statement.

          1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

            I retract my statement.

            Don’t worry about it…No one can take that away from you, unless you kill your wife and a waiter.

    3. Chumby   8 months ago

      You know who else they refused to seat?

      You guessed it, Frank Stallone.

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

        Only because…Germans love David Hasselhoff.

  14. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

    Great speech by Taibbi:

    “So let me pause to say something about America’s current intellectual class from which the anti-disinformation complex works.

    By the way, there are no working class censors. The dirty secret of content moderation all over the world is that it’s a tiny sliver of educated rich correcting everybody else. It’s telling people what fork to use, but you can get a degree in it, basically.

    The problem is America has the most useless aristocrats in history.

    Even the French dandies who were marched to the razor by the Jacobins were towering specimens of humanity compared to the Michael Hadens, John Brennan’s, James Clapper’s, Mike McFall’s, and Rick Stengel’s who make up America’s self-appointed speech police.
    In pre-revolutionary France, even the most drunken, depraved, debauched libertine had to be prepared to back up an insolent act with a sword fight to the death.

    Our aristocrats pee themselves at a mean tweet.

    These people have no honor, no belief, no poetry, no art, no humor, no patriotism, which is unique to them, no loyalty, no dreams, and no accomplishments. They are simultaneously illiterate and pretentious, which is very hard to pull off.

    They may have one idea, and it’s not even an idea, but a sensation.
    Fear.
    Rightly so, because they snitch each other out at the drop of a hat.
    They’re afraid of each other. But they’re also terrified of everyone outside their social set, and they live in near constant dread of being caught with even one original opinion.”

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      First mistake is calling them educated.

      1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

        Yes, “credentialed” not “educated”.

        But he corrects himself later, “They are simultaneously illiterate and pretentious, which is very hard to pull off.”

      2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

        The better term is “indoctrinated”.

      3. Randy Sax   8 months ago

        Got into an argument with my sister about this. She claimed to be the most “educated” in the family because she has a master’s. In vocal performance. (opera)

        She’s a bartender and has never been paid to sing professionally ever. Not to toot my own horn too hard, but I’m a licensed professional engineer.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

          She wasted her money. Any idiot can sing (take note of a lot of performers). To do our jobs (as PEs) we actually need to know how to do math. And, unlike her, we need continuing education to maintain our licenses.

          1. Randy Sax   8 months ago

            AISC brought back Steel Days, free PDHs!

          2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

            New drink menus is continuing education.

            1. Chumby   8 months ago

              Imagine if they added light fare to their offerings and she had to learn how to make a Cuban.

              1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

                Apparently they don’t have those in Maine.

                1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

                  JD Vance was wrong about Cubans.

          3. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   8 months ago

            Get a room

    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

      “…Even the French dandies who were marched to the razor by the Jacobins were towering specimens of humanity compared to the Michael Hadens, John Brennan’s, James Clapper’s, Mike McFall’s, and Rick Stengel’s who make up America’s self-appointed speech police…”

      Left out Newsom; signed three laws yesterday outlawing ‘deepfakes’, and you know who will make the decisions. But I guess it’s ‘too local’ for a libertarian web site to mention.

      1. mad.casual   8 months ago

        He left out a lot of people. Fauci, Birx, Walensky, Dorsey…

    3. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      I misread the name for a moment, though it was “Tlaib” and wondered how the words “Great speech” could possibly apply.

    4. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

      I watched that yesterday and it looks like the speakers were standing behind bullet proof glass.

    5. mad.casual   8 months ago

      It’s uncanny how much this appears as though it could be an excerpt out of Orwell’s unwritten prequel to 1984.

      1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

        And Brave New World, and Robocop, and the fat, muumuu wearing eunuchs in Demolition Man who police speech for hurtful words.

        Our gentry class isn’t original in their pursuit of hegemony.

  15. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

    Lol Cheney now fully campaigning for Harris as a true conservative, probably donated to Act Blue.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/presidential/3175566/liz-cheney-campaigning-harris-wisconsin-birthplace-gop/

    And yes my phone changed Liz to Lol, but seemed appropriate to keep.

    1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

      The entire Bush Iraq war cabinet has now endorsed Kammy, but later today Buttplug will call us all Bushpigs.

      Kamala endorsements from:

      Bush Administration VP Dick Cheney
      Bush Administration United States Attorney General Alberto González (Yay, waterboarding)
      Bush Administration Homeland Security Advisor Steve Abbot
      Bush Administration Director of the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency Kenneth Adelman
      Bush Administration Secretary of the DHS Richard C. Barth
      Bush Administration Director of the National Security Council Christopher Barton
      Bush Administration National Security Council Legal Adviser John Bellinger
      Bush Administration Special Assistant to the President Kenneth Bernard
      Bush Administration Special Assistant to the Secretary of Defense Mark E. Bitterman
      Bush Administration Deputy National Security Advisor Robert D. Blackwill
      Bush Administration Assistant to the Secretary of the Air Force William Bodie
      Bush Administration DND Deputy General Counsel Christian M.L. Bonat
      Bush Administration Assistant Secretary of State Richard Boucher
      Former FBI Assistant Director Greg Brower
      Bush Administration Chief Presidential Speechwriter Christopher Buckley
      Bush Administration Deputy Secretary of State Jack C. Chow
      Bush Administration Assistant to the President & Deputy to the Chief of Staff James W. Cicconi
      Bush Administration Deputy Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Peggy Cifrino
      Bush Administration Counselor of the Dept. of State Eliot A. Cohen
      Bush Administration General Counsel, Dept. of the Army Benedict S. Cohen
      Clinton Administration Former Secretary of Defense William Cohen
      Bush Administration Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Joseph J. Collins
      Bush Administration Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs Cindy Courville
      Bush Administration National Security Council Legal Advisor Stephen W. DeVine
      Bush Administration Secretary of the Air Force Michael Donley
      Bush Administration Acting Under Secretary of the Army Raymond F. DuBois
      Bush Administration Senior Executive Service Dept. of Defense Martha E. Duncan
      Bush Administration Under Secretary of Defense Eric S. Edelman
      Bush Administration Former Deputy Assistant to the President Richard A. Falkenrath
      Bush Administration Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs
      Jendayi E. Frazer
      Bush Administration Deputy Assistant to the Vice President Aaron L. Friedberg
      Bush Administration NSA Director of Counterterrorism William Gaches
      Bush Administration Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Janice Gardner
      Bush Administration Acting Attorney General of the United States Stuart M. Gerson
      Bush Administration Under Secretary of State James K. Glassman
      Bush Administration Deputy National Security Advisor to the Vice President Jon D. Glassman
      Bush Administration Director of State Dept, Policy Planning David Gordon
      Bush Administration Director of the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency Michael V. Hayden
      Bush Administration Counsel, President’s Intelligence Oversight Board Seth Hurwitz
      Bush Administration Acting Attorney General of the United States Peter Keisler
      Bush Administration Assistant Secretary of State James A. Kelly
      Bush Administration Under Secretary of Defense Kenneth J. Krieg
      Bush Administration Deputy Administrator United States Agency for International Development James R. Kunder
      Bush Administration Commander, United States Personnel Information Systems Command George Landis
      Bush Administration Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary in the State Dept. Steven R. Mann
      Bush Administration Deputy Under Secretary of the Army John W. McDonald
      Bush Administration General Counsel, U.S. Information Agency Alberto Mora
      Bush Administration Associate Deputy Attorney General Kenneth Mortensen
      Bush Administration Director of National Intelligence and Former Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte
      Bush Administration Secretary of the Navy Sean O’Keefe
      CIA Chief of Station William R Piekney
      Bush Administration National Security Advisor Daniel M. Price
      Bush Administration White House Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board Vice Chairman Alan Charles Raul
      Bush Administration Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency Director Victor Reis
      Bush Administration Deputy Assistant Secretary of Homeland Security Paul Rosenzweig
      HW Bush Administration Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Charles O. Rossotti
      Bush Administration State Dept. Deputy Director of Policy Planning Kori Schake
      Bush Administration Deputy Under Secretary of Defense Wayne Schroeder
      Bush Administration Senior Director, National Security Council Staff and Ambassador to the International Atomic Energy Agency Gregory L. Schulte
      Bush Administration Senior Director, National Security Council Staff John Simon
      Bush Administration Senior Director, National Security Council Staff Stephen Slick
      Bush Administration Deputy Secretary of Defense and Ambassador to NATO William H. Taft
      Chief of Staff, Dept. of Homeland Security Miles Taylor
      Bush Administration Deputy Attorney General Larry D. Thompson
      Bush Administration Principal Deputy Under Secretary of Homeland Security Jack Thomas Tomarchio
      Bush Administration Assistant Secretary of Defense John K. Veroneau
      Director of Threats, Ballistic Missile Defense Organization Thomas G. Ward, Jr.
      Bush Administration Principal Deputy Director, State Dept Policy Planning Matthew C. Waxman
      Bush Administration Counselor of the Dept. of State Philip Zelikow
      Bush Administration Deputy Secretary of State Robert B. Zoellick

      That’s the whole fucking Iraq war right there, Buttplug.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

        Looks like a list of Sarah Palin’s Bushpig’s favorite people.

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        How do you keep leaving off the esteemed Romney campaign intern?

      3. Ron   8 months ago

        its ironic that kameltoe would accept their indorsement since the dems hated every fiber of every one of these people and they even called them all Hitlers. it just shows that in reality it is all una party there are only a few outliers like Rand Paul and Massey and MTG

        1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

          Not only did she accept it, she crowed about it. The machine for maybe the first time has completely exposed itself for what it is.

      4. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

        Plus a bunch of interns.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      Like I said the other day, the political realignment is essentially done at this point. The old 20th Century-Y2K definitions of liberal/conservative don’t apply anymore. What we have now are revolutionary and counter-revolutionary movements. That’s how you end up with the Cheneys and Bush-era neocons in the Democrat party, and Cocaine Mitch working to move the Dems’ agenda forward incrementally instead of at full speed, while people like Taibbi, Weiss, Tulsi, Sinema, and Greenwald are on the same general page as the Tea Party GOP and Trumpers.

      The former assumes the inevitable Manifest Destiny of the communist utopia, they just disagree about the speed of its approach. The latter is a counter-revolutionary force that resists the global authoritarianism needed to implement such a program, focusing on a range of policies from the surveillance state to corporatist economic coercion in the service of cultural marxism and a borderless planet, to CRT/anti-white education curriculums in schools, to the venality and ideological conformity of the mass media, all of which don’t necessarily intersect as an organized platform.

      This is what it’s going to be going forward. That’s why Vance or DeSantis will be the likely candidate in 2028, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see Fetterman go the Tulsi/Sinema route, and become independent or even switch parties. The Squad will stay with the Democrats because they are a revolutionary, not counter-revolutionary faction, as will the Lincoln Project/Kristol tards and jobbers like Krista Kafer at the Independence Institute.

      The “Remnant” in the Jonah Goldberg faction and the remaining “conservative” holdouts will make the full switch to becoming Democrats between the election and 2026 mid-terms, assuming they manage to reconcile the Democrats’ increasing hatred of Israel, which is really the only issue they actually care about as a political principle besides attacking Russia (regardless of its political system, since the country hasn’t been communist in a generation, but does represent a counter-revolutionary force now). Everything else is negotiable, but it boils down to how much they can stomach their side openly treating Israel as the new South Africa, since that’s the country they’re really loyal to, not the US.

      1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

        Well said.

  16. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

    Jeff was here yesterday demanding government resources to immigrants who were tired and hungry. He thinks they all walked here. Yet data shows immigrants from almost 100 countries in just one section of the border.

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/10/agents-at-one-sector-on-northern-border-apprehended-19222-from-97-countries-since-oct-1/

    1. R Mac   8 months ago

      I don’t call him Lying Jeffy for nothing.

  17. mad.casual   8 months ago

    given that Israel has now made a dent in both groups.

    LOL. “Go put a 9mm dent in that guy’s chest cavity.”, “Watch me put a dent in that deer’s left ventricle.”, “Relay the position to artillery and have them make a dent in that building.”…

    [Adopts ‘make a dent’ as euphemism]

    1. R Mac   8 months ago

      I look forward to when you can combine making a dent with something like cultural knife dancing.

      1. Dillinger   8 months ago

        if you’re careful & only use the butt end of the hilt you can make a really cool dent in someone’s head during full-contact cultural knife dancing

    2. Ajsloss   8 months ago

      [Adopts ‘make a dent’ as euphemism]

      I’m going to go make a dent in my girlfriend’s uterus.

  18. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

    In a notice from our local power company, the report is some 450-500 downed poles.

    “On average, it takes a four-man crew about 3-4 hours to replace one broken pole. Replacing three poles over a 12-hour shift is a full day’s work for a single crew. Replacing four is a feat in these circumstances.”

    By some lucky break, Casa Oblongata was without power for only about 36 hours (not counting the generator used to run freezers & fridge) and without internet for about 5 days (came back Wed. morning) and suffered no real damage (downed trees on some fences and across access paths).

    But thousands of people in our area are still without power and no end in sight.

    President Biden told reporters there was nothing more that he could do for the people of Western North Carolina.

    Reporter: “Do you have any words to the victims of the hurricane?”

    Biden: “We’ve given everything that we have.”

    Reporter “Are there any more resources the federal government could be giving them?”

    Biden: “No.”

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

      Perhaps you should identify as a tranny illegal invader

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

      Remember when the media pilloried Bush for the response in New Orleans?

  19. Randy Sax   8 months ago

    “All seven of us agree that they have a right to respond, but they have to respond proportionally,”

    Fucking why? Obliterate them.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

      Obliterating them would be a proportional responce

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        Eye for sn eye makes the whole world blind. A few disproportional responses makes just Iran blind.

    2. Quicktown Brix   8 months ago

      We should cut support no matter what they do. This “proportional a little war is OK, but too much and we’ll we’ll stop supporting you, but not really” stuff is just stupid.

      1. Randy Sax   8 months ago

        There’s an old Conan joke while he was play CoD Advanced Warfare, takes place in future Korean war.

        “Why is the US getting involved? North Korea invades South Korea, well say good luck South Korea. Good luck to you.”

    3. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

      Its a fools errand; to try to understand the ramblings of a dementia patient.

    4. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

      The concept of “proportional response” has to go away in western military doctrine. Proportional response applied to 12/7/1941 would have been, more or less, the Doolittle raid, and nothing else. The US would still be fighting imperial japan today if we followed that nonsense.

      1. Chumby   8 months ago

        Japan declared war on the US and subsequently attacked the then US territory of the Phillipines the following day which later followed an invasion and occupation.

        Conflicts by the US in Vietnam and Iraq highlight disproportional responses. In both those cases, the initial act compelling a response was baloney.

        1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

          Advocates of proportional response would say the US didn’t belong in the Philipines and Japan was justified in attacking them there (they’d be wrong, but they would still claim it; “colonization” after all).

          1. Chumby   8 months ago

            Let me get this straight. Nation A has not attacked Nation B. Under “proportionality doctrine,” Nation B has the right to attack Nation A?

  20. mad.casual   8 months ago

    Always down for some anti–Jones Act posting:

    As usual; wait, wait, wait… let’s be clear about a few things:
    1. First, we’re talking largely about imitation crab meat, fish sticks, and McDonald’s fish sandwiches… so not exactly nutritional or cultural staples without which people starve and American society vanishes.
    2. Kinda like ‘Atlantic Salmon’ is, or can be, synonymous with ‘Farm-raised salmon’, Alaskan Pollock isn’t even actually a ‘pollock’, there are numerous other whitefish between and around Alaska and Maine and, per 1, it’s primarily going into McFish sandwiches anyway.
    3. If you think rolling things through 100 ft. of railway is somehow extraordinarily costly or wasteful or expensive, you really haven’t seen any reasonable-sized rail yard, mine, railroad or shipping depot, grain refinery, gas refinery, coal refinery, metal refinery, automobile manufacturing plant, etc., etc., etc.
    4. Probably the largest and most impactful direct cost on your McFish sandwich at the POS is the $20/hr. wage of the guy asking “May I take your order please.”
    5. Per your own “Globalism good.” and “Capitalism finds a way.” (and selective ignorance of how The Jones Act and/or economies works), there’s nothing (in The Jones Act) stopping a Canadian fishing company from trucking or shipping directly to Maine… or stopping a Nordic company from shipping their fish directly to Maine… or stopping the Alaskan company from shipping it by rail or truck or air freight directly to Maine… or stopping an American company from shipping from Alaska through the Panama Canal up to Canada, in order to get stuff to Maine. The reason none of these alternatives exist is because you’re specifically looking at a niche application and a niche market that nobody would handle otherwise and, if you eliminated the law, would be subsumed by the alternatives.

    The idea that, in the entire chain from Alaska to Maine, the 200 ft. rail journey is some sort of slam dunk on The Jones Act, especially given all the fruit and other stuff that would get dumped 100 side of either border without CATO raising a peep, is like getting all uppity about being able to dunk on your 2-yr.-old’s Tot Shot hoop.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

      1&2. Fuck you, nanny staters, telling people their choices are bad so we are going to raise costs on your poor decisions. Who the fuck are you to make that decision for them?

      1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   8 months ago

        Exactly.
        And a lot of it goes to Arby’s fish sandwiches, which are delicious

        1. mad.casual   8 months ago

          Again, this feels like the whole “American manufacturing would add $700 to the price of an EV.” except *way* more retarded.

          I’m not telling anyone not to buy a fish sandwich. I’m saying that even if you whimsically raised the price of the sandwich $0.10, $0.20, or even $0.50 the vast majority of people going to McDs (or Arby’s) and choosing fish aren’t going to throw up their arms and give up on the whole pescetarian thing. That doesn’t mean you should raise the price, but less than a dime is well within the margins. Probably more so from the other side as well. You’d probably have to drop the price 50% to get someone going to Arby’s for a beef sandwich to switch to fish.

          Relative to all of that The Jones Act, the cost of the 200 ft. of rail is beyond absurd. As indicated, the policies that require $20/hr. wages, sustainable green energy, lard-free preparation, and sustainable wild Alaskan pollock fishing are probably just as, if not phenomenally more consequential to the POS price.

          To put it another way: I like the McRib. I love Wendy’s $0.01 Bacon Cheeseburger deals. The idea that California’s farrowing laws are the reason why I can’t get the McRib year round, $0.01 bacon cheesebugers more often, folly and vacuous/dumb joke. Not some sort of pillar of Libertarianism. I don’t think Appalachian coal mining should’ve been regulated out of existence. Even if you repealed the coal mining regulations, the industry is gone. And for Alaskan Pollock, Catholics largely eat meat now and The Jones Act predates the McFish, so it clearly didn’t significantly inhibit the market from originating it in any sort of onerous or preclusive way. *Especially* given that Arby’s has one too (and Long John Silvers and Tilapia being everywhere and Salmon…).

      2. mad.casual   8 months ago

        Do you always read facts as dictation or only when it suits your narrative?

        I’m not saying whether the McFish sandwich *should* be a staple of American cuisine or whether it *should* be made of Alaskan pollock or something else. I’m just pointing out the fact that “All beef” patties outsell them by the gigaton, that nobody palate-wise would know the difference if it were made out of cod or haddock or tilapia or walleye or trout or virtually anything except maybe salmon or tuna, and *most importantly* that even with all that apathy *and The Jones Act* in place, it’s preferable to ship the fish 200 ft. by rail rather than switch to tilapia or haddock.

        Because the whole idea that there’s an untapped legion of McDonald’s consumers out there just waiting to switch to “two-all-Alaskan-pollock patties with special sauce…” if it weren’t for the insurmountable cost of shipping fish 200 ft. by rail feels very much like a “Made for modern audiences” remake of a classic.

        To say nothing of the sequel to the “If America switched to the McDonalds fish sandwich” movie that no one asked for where ship building or, uh, fish sandwich making returned to American shores or, uh, war spending suddenly didn’t matter or immigration was finally because of pollock and 200 ft. of rail or something.

        1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

          I read your entire statement, you discount the cost increase because they aren’t nutritional or cultural staples. To that I say fuck off.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

            To be fair, fish meat is practically a vegetable.

            1. mad.casual   8 months ago

              To be fair, kinda my explicit point is that it’s literally sold as crab meat and in other products where other fish are substituted or mixed in and nobody knows the difference.

              It’s like extra virgin olive oil, where it gets diluted with second pressings or fractionally enriched canola oil in such a manner that even a team of food scientists going through everything with a mass spec can’t tell if it’s “pure” or not.

              Except that instead of people are complaining about the oil product itself, they’re complaining that some of the olives, or canola, because they definitively cannot know, had to be put on a rail car to cross a border.

              The consequences of The Jones Act on the price of pins for angels to dance on the head of.

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

                I guess I’m the only one that remembers Ron Swanson quotes.

          2. mad.casual   8 months ago

            I read your entire statement, you discount the cost increase because they aren’t nutritional or cultural staples.

            No, I was discounting the cost increase because there is no objective value other than McFish or fishticks or imitation crab. Nutritional or cultural staples is a narrow reading, I even pointed out that it frequently trades under the name “imitation crab” rather than alaskan pollock and that, regardless of nutrition or culture, you could swap out tilapia or cod or haddock or… and virtually nobody would notice.

            I’m not being any sort of TPD, “Libertarians don’t offer solutions”, totalitarian state dictator in saying that your economic policy has to have some sort of quasi-objective/rational value system underwriting it.

            There’s “absurdity” in libertarians getting all uppity about the ban on the sale of raw milk with the federal government meddling with individual liberty as a principle and then there’s absurdity about libertarians getting all uppity about The Jones Act increasing the price of “dry powdered raw milk product” by $0.01 per lb. with, uh, animosity towards governments having 100 yr. old Acts named “Jones” as a principle. You make the “Does mayo with fake eggs constitute actual mayo?” discussions seem cogent, relevant, and concise.

  21. CindyF   8 months ago

    “All seven of us agree that they have a right to respond, but they have to respond proportionally,” the president said,….”

    I’ve never understood the left’s insistence that a response to an attack has to be “proportional”. Their position is “Hey, that person simply stabbed you! No fair using a firearm to shoot him two times! You can only stab him, and only once!”

    A response to an attack should be to neutralize the original attacking party so they cannot attack again. If a person came into my house and shot my spouse, I wouldn’t stop to ask how many times they plan to shoot before I emptied my magazine into the intruder. America shouldn’t be insisting that Israel keep allowing Hamas to attack their citizens and respond proportionally.

    The Democrats are quickly marching America into WWIII and celebrating as they do so. Also, I’ve noticed the military once more is using white muscular men in ads for recruitment. I guess when the left wants “boots on the ground” then toxic masculinity is needed.

    It is hard to believe that we have gone from relative peace to the brink of WWIII in just 3 short years of Democrat incompetence. It’s apparent that Biden is not a foreign policy expert and “sharp as a knife” as the Democrats have insisted.

    1. LIBtranslator   8 months ago

      I hate to sound extremist, but what about the Hamas religious mohammedans departing from protocol and RETURNING the hostages they invaded Israel to kidnap? I hear some were gotten back, some of them still alive, but nothing so far indicates that most or all of them are returned. Who is in charge of reporting on that?

      1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

        “I hate to sound extremist”

        Well there’s a first time for everything. No Christo-fascist-Christian-Hitlers to yell about?

    2. mtrueman   8 months ago

      “I’ve never understood the left’s insistence that a response to an attack has to be “proportional”. ”

      If you want to understand, you need to make an effort to educate yourself. Start with Aristotle, and move on to Grotius. They and others go to great lengths defending the idea of proportionality.

      In a nutshell, proportionality states that it’s OK to target and destroy a building housing 100 enemies and 1 civilian, but not OK if it’s 1 enemy and 100 civilians.

      1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

        You are required to take a poll of the inhabitants to get this information? What if all 101 of them are enemies, and also civilians, since those terms aren’t mutually exclusive?

        1. mtrueman   8 months ago

          “You are required to take a poll of the inhabitants to get this information? ”

          It’s the responsibility of the commanding officers to have an idea what they are targeting.

          “What if all 101 of them are enemies, and also civilians, since those terms aren’t mutually exclusive?”

          We have war crimes tribunals to answer these questions and more.

          1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

            truman rule 1: When you don’t have an answer, post nonsense.

            1. mtrueman   8 months ago

              If you don’t understand the principle, it’s OK to admit it. CindyF did and I attempted to enlighten her. It’s really not as difficult as you seem to think it is.

              1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                I understand your principle of posting nonsense, yes.

                1. mtrueman   8 months ago

                  I don’t think you do. You are simply responding with knee jerk, emotional name calling and bluster to issues you have little to no understanding of. It’s not a good look, Bertram Guilfoyle, and I recommend you take the trouble to educate yourself on the matter before responding further.

                  1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                    Someone below said something about your fake condescension… Your comment here is yet another example of same.

                    1. mtrueman   8 months ago

                      It is not fake condescension. It is genuine condescension. You’ve been following my comments for some time now, and you’ve no excuse.

          2. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

            It’s the responsibility of the commanding officers to have an idea what they are targeting.

            And when they attack civilians anyway (as Hamas did a year ago) then what?

            1. mtrueman   8 months ago

              And when they attack civilians anyway (as Israel did pretty much every year since the Zionist entity was founded,) then what? You see history didn’t start with the al Aqsa Flood a year ago. The principle of proportionality tries to limit killing non combatants. You seem to want to ignore it, and only offer apologia for killing civilians.

              1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                Thank you for demonstrating once again that for you, proportionality is only for your enemies, not for you genocidal allies.

                This is why the US and Israel need to abandon it.

                1. mtrueman   8 months ago

                  “Thank you for demonstrating once again that for you”

                  Don’t put words in my mouth. It’s unsanitary. I know you want to respond to me, and I appreciate that. I ask you to respond to what I write, not what you want me to write.

                  1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                    Your posts indicate that you believe* any killing of Israeli civilians is justified, and need not be constrained by the doctrine of proportionality. Proportionality is a one-way street for you.

                    *and the disclaimer for any mtruman post is that he probably doesn’t even really believe anything he is posting – but just “nonsense as an end in itself.”

                    1. mtrueman   8 months ago

                      “Your posts indicate that you believe* any killing of Israeli civilians is justified,”

                      You still don’t appear to understand the principle or proportionality. It’s OK to kill civilians, as long as it furthers military goals. I stated as much in my first comment. ‘Destroying a building and killing the occupants is OK if it’s 100 combatants and 1 civilian. Dropping a nuclear weapon on a city is OK if it’s the only thing that will hasten the end of a war.

                      You see, killing civilians is all but inevitable in a war, or resistance to occupation. The principle recognizes this fact, but stresses that such casualties should be minimized. Surely you agree with this don’t you?

                    2. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                      Your first comment is impossible to abide by in real life. You can’t know how many “combatants” are in the building, can’t see their “signifying markings” can’t see if they are “carrying weapons” (which they can easily pick up and drop anyway). The goal with setting impossible-to-follow rules of war like this is to denounce one side (Israel) and exempt the other side, who wouldn’t follow these rules even if they could.

                      *standard truman disclaimer applies; he knows all this but slings bullshit anyway*

                    3. mtrueman   8 months ago

                      “Your first comment is impossible to abide by in real life. ”

                      I beg your pardon.
                      I never promised you a rose garden.

                      The world is a cruel and heartless, place. Ideas like the principle of proportionality are an attempt by some of our deepest thinkers to alleviate that. I know you disapprove, but you are ignorant and stupid, so your opinion counts for very little. Sorry to sound mean, but I calls them as I sees them.

      2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

        “…If you want to understand, you need to make an effort to educate yourself. Start with Aristotle, and move on to Grotius. They and others go to great lengths defending the idea of proportionality…”

        You are a self-important, lying pile of slimy shit, aren’t you?
        FOAD, asshole.

      3. Randy Sax   8 months ago

        What’s the point of carrying a big stick if you are too pussy to use it every once in a while?

        1. mtrueman   8 months ago

          The point of having a big stick is to deter others from attacking. It’s not about being a pussy.

          1. Randy Sax   8 months ago

            When your opponent pokes the bear, and you don’t use the stick, it no longer acts as a deterrent.

            1. mtrueman   8 months ago

              Using weapons against an opponent to further military aims doesn’t contravene the principle of proportionality. The principle comes into play when measuring military necessity against harm inflicted on civilians.

              1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                Since Hamas/Hezbollah aren’t actually militaries, and don’t wear uniforms, aren’t they all technically civilians? Inclduding Sinwar and Nasrallah? Is Israel allowed to attack them at all, per your ethics?

                1. mtrueman   8 months ago

                  They are combatants, as the events of the past year should have made clear to you. They carry weapons, have a command structure, and wear uniforms or signifying markings. You seem to be curious about these groups. I commend you for this. Search out other sources than Reason to deepen your understanding is my recommendation.

                  1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                    So Israel is allowed to attack them then? You forgot to answer that part.

                    What if the Israelis can’t see their “signifying markings”? Are they still allowed to attack? What if they stand behind human shields (which I know you claim they don’t, but hypothetically then)? If the human shields are killed, who is at fault, Israel or the Hamas combatants?

                    *standard truman disclaimer applies, he is slinging bullshit*

                    1. mtrueman   8 months ago

                      “So Israel is allowed to attack them then?”

                      They have no right to occupy Palestine. Palestine, on the other hand, has a right to resist Israeli occupation. According to international law as I understand it.

                    2. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                      You still not answering whether you think Israel is allowed to attack Hamas or Hezbollah at all. Given that, I think it’s fair to say your answer is “no”.

        2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   8 months ago

          Otherwise it’s an Eminence Front…you know..a put on

          1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   8 months ago

            Won’t you come and join the party dressed to kill

            1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   8 months ago

              Epic keyboard opening to an epic song

              1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   8 months ago

                Townshend does the vocals, too

                1. Chumby   8 months ago

                  Is that the same Pete Townshend that ended up on a sex offender list?

      4. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

        I wonder how much reading on proportionality has been done by mshitman’s heroes Sinwar and Nasrallah?

        1. mtrueman   8 months ago

          More than CindyF, more than you. Don’t underestimate your enemy.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

            Don’t underestimate your enemy.

            Suharto certainly didn’t.

            1. mtrueman   8 months ago

              Bertram Guilfolye seems to underestimate the leadership of the Resistance. I hope you’re smart enough not to make the same mistake. But don’t you also believe that Sinwar, Nasrallah et al are or were communists, neo-marxists, or progressives? I believe they are conservative Islamists, instead. They share a distaste of colonialism with the Left, but that’s about it.

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

                What they are is immaterial. That my enemies think supporting them advances the communist revolution is reason enough to not support them.

                1. mtrueman   8 months ago

                  “What they are is immaterial. ”

                  You have the luxury of not being involved in the conflict, at least not directly. Know your enemy is the first rule of war fighting, for those involved in the fighting. I assure you that Hamas and Hezbollah are not Marxist outfits. They are conservative Islamists. What they share with the left is an opposition to the state of Israel which they believe is a colonial outpost on their territory. You too oppose empire, imperialialism and colonizing foreign lands, don’t you? You might be a lot closer to these groups than you think.

                  1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

                    What they are is immaterial. That my enemies think supporting them advances the communist revolution is reason enough to not support them.

                    1. mtrueman   8 months ago

                      Yeah, I get it. Immaterial. Says the basement dwelling goof in a dirty tshirt several thousand miles away from the action.

          2. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

            Do they practice it or not? You’ve said elsewhere that they are exempt from your requirement to.

            1. mtrueman   8 months ago

              There are war crimes tribunals formed to answer these questions. I don’t have enough information to answer with any authority. My feeling is that the goal of al Aqsa Flood was about gathering hostages, destroying military infrastructure and confronting the IDF. Also killing anyone who tried to stop them from achieving the above. Anyone engaging in gratuitous murder of non combatants was probably done by young men who took advantage of the breach in the security wall, grabbed themselves a weapon and went on a killing spree of their own. Hamas and the other militias had other fish to fry, as I said.

              1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   8 months ago

                Wait, wait. Lol. So….. “anyone engaging in gratuitous murder of non combatants….” ….. was NOT hamas?

                These “gratuitous” people are just typical Palestinians, unaffiliated with hamas? The rapists and child murderers were just opportunists, in the right place at the right time to murder and rape while brave hamas left the women and children alone to confront the IDF? Is that what you’re saying?

                They sound like animals. No wonder no one wants to be around them.

                1. mtrueman   8 months ago

                  “Wait, wait. Lol. So….. “anyone engaging in gratuitous murder of non combatants….” ….. was NOT hamas? ”

                  I wasn’t there. But I suspect that Hamas was busy collecting hostages and engaging with the IDF and anyone else attempting to thwart their operation.

                  “These “gratuitous” people are just typical Palestinians”

                  I said they were young men. I doubt women, children or any 80 year olds were involved. Have you seen video of Oct. 7th? Evidently not. You’ll see large holes in the security fence, disabled Israeli tanks, and apparently unarmed young men swarming all over the tanks. If there were gratuitous murders of Israeli civilians, these fellows free for the first time in their lives, full of hate and bitterness towards the Israelis, but imbued with elation nonetheless would be the first place I’d look. As I said before, Hamas had other fish to fry. Israelis, both civilian and military, would certainly do their best to stop Hamas, and Hamas would have to deal with them violently. Have a look at the videos released on Oct, 7 and let me know what your take is. I’m confident that you’ll agree with me as you’re clearly an open minded person of high intelligence.

                  “They sound like animals. ”

                  You don’t win by playing Mr. Niceguy. It’s naive to think otherwise.

      5. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   8 months ago

        move on to Grotius and then move onto Naughtius Maximus

    3. Zeb   8 months ago

      Yeah, it’s pretty silly. When you are in a war, you are in it and do what you need to to win. That’s why it’s a bad idea to start a war you are unlikely to win.

      1. Vernon Depner   8 months ago

        Or unwilling to win.

        1. Zeb   8 months ago

          Also that.

      2. mtrueman   8 months ago

        “When you are in a war, you are in it and do what you need to to win.”

        You don’t appear to understand the concept. It’s about ratios, you know, proportions. On the one hand you have military necessity, on the other, there’s the responsibility to protect the innocent and see that no harm comes to them. Proportionality measures these two and accordingly decides whether a military action is moral or not.

        I gave an example earlier to clarify this concept. It’s not difficult, I suggest you read it.

        1. Zeb   8 months ago

          Fuck off with your fake condescension.

          And avoidance of non-combatant casualties and proportionality are not the same issue.

          1. mtrueman   8 months ago

            I was trying to explain to CindyF what the principle of proportionality was about. She admitted to not understanding it. Then you chimed in with a response that showed us you had no better understanding than she does (or did.)

            ” When you are in a war, you are in it and do what you need to to win. ”

            The principle doesn’t prevent a combatant doing what’s necessary to defeat the enemy. It’s about minimizing the cost to the civilian population. Sorry if you find my corrections condescending, but the willfully ignorant deserve no better.

            “And avoidance of non-combatant casualties and proportionality are not the same issue.”
            It’s about measuring civilian casualties against military goals. Maybe it’s the word ‘proportion’ that’s confusing you.

            1. Zeb   8 months ago

              Or consider that you are wrong. Or at least not talking about the same thing as others are. This is about proportional response. As in the response needs to be in proportion to the attack.

              1. mtrueman   8 months ago

                “As in the response needs to be in proportion to the attack.”

                You seem to be referring to the escalatory ladder. Two belligerents who feel the need to respond to provocative attacks but don’t desire things to escalate into full blown war need to calibrate their responses accordingly. It’s not about balancing military goals against minimizing civilian deaths. It’s more an exercise in cautious face-saving. CindyF was asking about he principle of proportionality which I duly defined for her, and for you too.

                Check out wikipedia’s article on the idea of proportionality in law if you need further confirmation.
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportionality_(law)

                1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                  Everyone here understands what proportionality is, dipshit. We are arguing that it’s wrong, it is why we have wars that never end, and I’m arguing that it needs to disappear from all military doctrine.

                  1. mtrueman   8 months ago

                    ” and I’m arguing that it needs to disappear from all military doctrine.”

                    I don’t see anything you’ve written here rising to the level of an argument. It seems to be beyond your capacity.

          2. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

            “Fuck off with your fake condescension.”

            What else does he have?

            1. mtrueman   8 months ago

              “Everyone here understands what proportionality is, dipshit.”

              Proportionality is not a difficult concept, but in this context the laws of warfare, everyone seems bent on misinterpreting it. That’s why I added my comment, to help clear things up.

              1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                Israel and the US try to practice for decades what you have been describing. They should stop.

    4. mad.casual   8 months ago

      I’ve never understood the left’s insistence that a response to an attack has to be “proportional”. Their position is “Hey, that person simply stabbed you! No fair using a firearm to shoot him two times! You can only stab him, and only once!”

      You’re looking at the proximate motivations of conflict. If you’re more distally motivated by war, either by amassing power as two peers grind each other down, profiting off of arms sales, claiming a moral high ground or some combination of those and then some, the longer things drag on without resolution, the better.

      In fact, one side decidedly putting the other in it’s place and an era of peace as the result, winds up losing you money and making you look immoral/stupid.

      1. mtrueman   8 months ago

        You don’t appear to have any more understanding of the concept than CindyF, or the rest.

    5. Michael Ejercito   8 months ago

      How proportionate were Fat Man amd Little Boy?

      1. Vernon Depner   8 months ago

        But enough about Jeffy’s sex life…

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

        It was the only way to protect our precious bodily fluids.

      3. Chumby   8 months ago

        The movie Fog of War, which is essentially a biography of former SecDef Robert McNamara, talks about proportionality in war and specifically the firebombing of scores of Japanese cities. I hate McNamara. Hate him. He also lived and worked through major conflicts (WW2, Cuban Missile Crisis, and Vietnam) where his perspective is as an authority. The movie is excellent helping folks to challenge held beliefs regarding war. If only McNamara had known these things before he was in Johnson’s cabinet…

      4. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   8 months ago

        Very, compared to the extent the upper echelon of Japan’s military elite were prepared to go. It’s interesting that a lot of the japanese holdouts that didn’t surrender until well after the war ended didn’t believe the newspapers and magazines that were sent to them to convince them the war was over because they thought if Japan lost the war, there would be no Japanese people left because they would have died for the emporer

    6. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      You have to understand that the left isn’t demanding “proportionality” out of principle. It demands it when doing so hamstrings its enemies, and ignores it themselves when doing so will advance the communist utopia. That’s how you get them screeching about “police brutality” while civic and private property gets destroyed, and people attacked or even murdered by them who try to prevent it.

      The solution is to simply ignore their arguments, never take them at face value, and smash the left into powder.

      1. mtrueman   8 months ago

        “It demands it when doing so hamstrings its enemies”

        That’s not the principle of proportionality. Proportionality specifically allows for violent actions that are in keeping with military necessity, dropping a bomb on a military base, for example. It doesn’t ‘hamstring’ a participant unless that participant intends to specifically target and kill a civilian population.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

          That’s not the principle of proportionality.

          I didn’t say it was. This is what I said:

          the left isn’t demanding “proportionality” out of principle. It demands it when doing so hamstrings its enemies, and ignores it themselves when doing so will advance the communist utopia.

          There’s nothing inaccurate about that statement.

          1. mtrueman   8 months ago

            By ‘hamstring,’ do you mean prevent a combatant from achieving its military goals? If that’s the case, then you don’t understand the principle. It allows combatants to do whatever furthers their military aims as long as a disproportionate number of deaths aren’t inflicted on civilians. That’s not hamstringing, but adhering to principles of justice going back to Aristotle, if not longer. Do you think it’s a leftist or communist concept?

            1. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

              You didn’t address Red Rocks point though. Are you always in favor of the proportionality requirement of Just War Doctrine, or just when it’s convenient for you?

              1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                In the current war, truman’s only in favor of proportionality for the Israeli’s; not Hamas or Hezbollah. Hamas attacks a concert, and various kibbutzim, not military bases last year, and he couldn’t give a fuck, indeed, he supports it.

                When Israel strikes back, against an enemy that doesn’t even wear uniforms, hides in/under hospitals and schools, he bemoans the Israelis “targeting civilians”.

                He is here to sling bullshit, which he has admitted numerous times. The only reason to answer him is for the benefit of any non-commenters, newbies, etc, who think he is somehow an example of what pro-liberty people believe, since this is a nominally “libertarian” site.

                1. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

                  I’m aware of all that. I asked mtrueman because he kept harping on proportionality, but I don’t for a second think that’s his objection. I wanted him to come out and say it.

                  I did the same for chemjeff last night in the roundup. He kept using the third safe country stipulation to say we can’t remove “asylum seekers” from our country to one of the countries they travelled through to get here. I asked, for argument’s sake, presupposing that he’s correct about the “third safe country” requiring a “bilateral agreement,” if we DIDN’T need a bilateral agreement, would he still be against transporting the migrants to one of those countries. Lo and behold, he still wouldn’t want that to happen. He’s being dishonest by using the third safe country aspect to oppose removing the migrants from this country, as it makes no difference to his stance. He still wants to let them all stay here, regardless of a “third safe country” agreement. And they should all receive the benefits taxpayers have been forced to pay for.

                  1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                    Yeah, he won’t come out and say it, he will obfuscate instead. He is pro Hamas and Hezbollah, and only pretends to be in favor of proportionality to use it as a shield for them against Israel.

                    Israel could wage the most proportional war in the history of the world (and they may in fact be doing so, given the pop. density of Gaza), and he would still denounce them. Israel will always be wrong in the eyes of anti-semites.

                    1. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

                      I do think Israel has likely been a little “indiscriminate” with some of its bombings in Gaza. But it’s hard to know for sure, as I certainly don’t trust the numbers that Hamas or Hamas-allied authorities release regarding “civilian deaths.” I also don’t trust the Israeli numbers either. So I really don’t know. Israel does have a right to defend itself, but I also can see WWIII sparking off if it goes too far. The exploding pagers, for example, did risk some civilian casualties, but it complied with proportionality, as I believe only a few civilians were killed, if those numbers are correct, while hundreds of Hezbollah operatives were taken out.

                      Generally, if a war is necessary, I do agree with conducting a war as close to the requirements of Just War Doctrine, but it a bit harder when the enemy is hiding among civilians. I really just want the US to stop funding all of the foreign wars we’ve been embroiled in. But the deep state, Dems, and establishment Republicans (looking at you Lindsay Graham) don’t want the wars to end but to proliferate.

                    2. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                      How can they not be “indiscriminate” bombing in a highly dense urban area such as Gaza? It is impossible not to kill civilians.

                      Was the bombing of Tokyo, et al done in accordance with proportionality? Should it have been? If it had been, would there have been more or less US casualties? Was the killing of civilians even desirable, since they feed, clothe, house, and build arms for the enemy? How could we have won the war without doing so?

                      Why should Israel and post WW2 US be held to the impossible standards of proportionality?

                      Just war theory is impossible to follow in real life and actually win a war – and trying to do so is more deadly to your own forces. We have been trying and trying and trying to do so, and still end up killing civilians anyway. Israel conducted one of the most surgical strikes in history, with the pagers, and people STILL denounce them for “killing civilians”. It’s a war, civilians are going to die, get over it.

                    3. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

                      I specifically lauded Israel for the pager operation, as the death toll to civilians was a fraction of what it was to the enemy.

                      If Hamas is firing rockets at Israeli civilians, but doing it from a school, Israel has the right to fire back and blow it up, even with the unfortunate deaths of the children Hamas was using as shields. (This is if it’s getting through the Iron Dome). Israel is certainly not required to let its own people die because the Hamas terrorist is using a school as a shield.

                      Bombing a building in Gaza, where there is no one CURRENTLY firing rockets, because Israel has intelligence that Hamas leaders are in the building, is not justified if it means killing far more civilians than targets. You can say you’re fine with that. I’m not. I want the US out of the operation completely. Same for Ukraine. I also wouldn’t want the US, after removing itself from the situation, to intervene to stop Israel from conducting the war in a way I disapprove of.

                2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   8 months ago

                  No, no, it’s even better. According to m, above, hamas didn’t attack the concert, they bravely “confronted the IDF”. The rapey guys were just civilians. Just regular dudes getting horny killing hippies and kids. Apparently they don’t represent the righteous cause of resisting genocide or apartheid, they just represent the typical gazan dude, looking for some fun.

                  Anyway, that’s what m said. He’s the expert.

              2. mtrueman   8 months ago

                There’s a case to be made for terrorism, don’t you think? Especially when the two belligerents are asymmetrically balanced. Look at the Zionists who bombed the British occupiers at the King David Hotel, taking out colonial administrators as well as innocent civilians. Or the Algerians who bombed cafes. It’s a slippery slope, though and can easily get out of hand. Have you seen the film The Battle of Algiers? The leader of the Resistance, played in the film by the actual leader of the Resistance, talks about resorting to terror tactics in the struggle against the French occupiers. Well worth the viewing to a curious an open minded individual such as yourself.

                1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                  This is an easily seen through attempt at obfuscation.

                  “Hey look, remember back in the 40’s when the jews committed terrorism too! How can you complain about Hamas and 10/7/23, when the jews blew up a hotel (and other similar acts) 80 years ago!”

                  When the irgun bombed the hotel, Ben Gurion and other Jewish leaders denounced them.

                  Which leaders exactly in Hamas or Hezbollah have denounced, or even expressed any reticence whatsoever about the kidnap, torture, and mass murder (not just of jews, but of other arabs, thais, etc) committed on 10/7?

                  trueman and his allies want more of this.

                  1. mtrueman   8 months ago

                    “When the irgun bombed the hotel, Ben Gurion and other Jewish leaders denounced them. ”

                    So did the British. Then they left.

                    1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                      You believe this is what caused them to leave, huh? If this kind of act works, why haven’t the Israeli’s surrendered since they have suffered many, many, many times more casualties from Arab terrorism than the King David bombing?

                      *truman disclaimer; my response is taking his comment at face-value for the sake of argument, even though he admits that he posts bullshit on purpose*

                    2. mtrueman   8 months ago

                      “You believe this is what caused them to leave, huh?”

                      That’s not what I wrote. In case you missed it the first time around I’ll repeat:
                      So did the British. Then they left.

                      “why haven’t the Israeli’s surrendered ”

                      Take it up with Israelis if you are curious. Ask your congressperson too.

                    3. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                      ^When trueman’s contradictions are made so obvious that he can’t answer them, he posts nonsense.

            2. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

              Sorry, try responding to what I actually wrote instead of your usual commie misdirection efforts.

              1. mtrueman   8 months ago

                I was asking what you meant by ‘hamstring.’ If you don’t want to elaborate, fine. No big loss. I suspect you don’t really know yourself.

                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

                  Yes, marxists always do like to play dumb when their dialectic is called out.

                  1. mtrueman   8 months ago

                    I’m not playing dumb and I don’t believe my dialectic has been called out. I’m not a Marxist, either. You seem to believe that the principle of proportionality ‘hamstrings’ or prevents belligerents from prosecuting a war against each other. This indicates to me that your understanding of the principle is faulty.

                    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

                      I’m not playing dumb

                      I disagree. I believe you are.

                      I don’t believe my dialectic has been called out.

                      I disagree. I believe it has.

                      You seem to believe that the principle of proportionality ‘hamstrings’ or prevents belligerents from prosecuting a war against each other.

                      That’s not what I said. But since you’re playing dumb, I’ll repost it:

                      the left isn’t demanding “proportionality” out of principle. It demands it when doing so hamstrings its enemies, and ignores it themselves when doing so will advance the communist utopia.

                      The semantics of “proportionality” are immaterial, since they’re simply used by your side to hamstring the opposition while you ignore it when convenient. Which is what my original statement entailed.

                      I care not a whit as to who’s being “proportional” or not, or what the precise definition of it is in theory or practice. What only concerns me is what the left is supporting, so that it can be opposed and squashed. As Pope Milei says, “You can’t give shit leftards an inch…If you give them an inch, they’ll use it to destroy you.”

                    2. mtrueman   8 months ago

                      “the left isn’t demanding “proportionality” out of principle.”

                      That’s the part where you pretend to be a mind reader. I’m doing you a favor by ignoring this bit of idiocy.

                      “The semantics of “proportionality” are immaterial, ”

                      Tell that to CindyF, who was questioning what it was all about.

                      “I care not a whit as to who’s being “proportional” or not, or what the precise definition of it is in theory or practice. ”

                      I get that, but Hamas and Hezbollah are conservative Islamists. Not leftists.

                      “If you give them an inch, they’ll use it to destroy you.”

                      Are you seriously afraid you’ll be destroyed by Leftists? You clearly have more pressing issues than the meaning of the principle of proportion on your mind. I’ll leave it to you and your love ones to deal with them. This is mtrueman signing off.

                    3. Chumby   8 months ago

                      RRWP – he wasn’t playing.

  22. lwt1960   8 months ago

    Longshoremen’s strike- It’s also the fact that Americans do not support a group willing to shut down half the economy because they will not allow progress and everyone will pay the price. I guess if they were the manure muckers at the turn of the 20th century, we’d still be riding horses. Talk about “greed-flation”.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

      “Candle Makers Petition: What it Was, History in Economics”
      https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/08/candle-makers-petition.asp#:~:text=The%20%22Candle%20Maker's%20Petition%22%20was%20a%20complaint%20written%20by%20French

      Why Bastiat isn’t taught in grammar school is a mystery to me.

      1. Chumby   8 months ago

        It was their beeswax.

    2. LIBtranslator   8 months ago

      Chicago mayor Byrnes, or even Ronnie Reagan, would’ve fired them like Dagny Taggart. I imagine Byrnes would’ve waited until after the Christian National Socialists were defeated, hence unable to pack the courts with more Silvershirts, Ku-Kluxers or Comstockist book-burners and girl-bulliers. Republicans crash the economy with prohibitionist asset forfeiture every time one of them gets a second term. Likewise they seek to ape the Texas régime and pass fugitive slave laws to force women to reproduce involuntarily or die from the coercion to deliver.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

        WTF history are you reading? Jane Byrne wouldn’t have done shit. You must be thinking of King Richard I of Chicago.

    3. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

      For the record
      The median salary in main is 63k
      The median salary in Louisiana is 51k
      The longshirnans union minimum salary is 81k and 6 weeks vacation

      They turned down an offer of 50% pay raise and no automation

      1. Stuck in California   8 months ago

        I looked it up yesterday, the union reps in the first google hit were getting over 700K for being the union president, plus 150K for being “Emeritus” on a different union, plus their salary. His son was getting 700K as well… this dynasty has no interest in making the business work well and the dockworker’s conditions improved, beyond enough that they maintain their positions.:

        or his part, Daggett made $728,694 in 2023 as ILA president and an additional $173,040 as president emeritus of the mechanics local chapter at Port Newark in New Jersey, according to documents filed with the Department of Labor.

        Daggett’s son, Dennis Daggett, heads the New Jersey local his father once led and is now ILA executive vice president, roles that netted him total income of more than $700,000 in 2023.

        https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-much-do-dock-workers-make-longshoreman-salary/

  23. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

    “Gavin Newsom signs anti-deepfake law—prompting everyone to share the deepfake he was upset about”
    […]
    “California passed three anti-deepfake laws yesterday.”
    https://www.dailydot.com/debug/gavin-newsom-california-deepfake-law/

    But like when greaseball shut down the CS economy, he was only planning a little bit of the economy…
    “…shall not be infringed…”, asshole.

    1. Randy Sax   8 months ago

      Why Barbra Streisand isn’t taught in grammar school is a mystery to me.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        Barbara Streisand Effect. Duh

        1. Randy Sax   8 months ago

          That’s the point I was making……

      2. mtrueman   8 months ago

        Her autobiography came out last year. Almost 1000 pages. There’s a non too positive review at the London Review of Books, if you are interested.
        https://www.lrb.co.uk/podcasts-and-videos/podcasts/the-lrb-podcast/streisand-s-way

        1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   8 months ago

          That was an entertaining listen. Thanks.

    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

      BTW:
      “No, Democrats in California haven’t outlawed memes and satire on social media”
      […]
      “…However, the bill aims to address deepfake and AI-generated election content, with specific exemptions for satire and parody…”
      https://www.logicallyfacts.com/en/fact-check/no-the-democrats-in-california-havent-outlawed-memes-and-satire-on-social-media#:~:text=A%20recent%20bill%20signed%20by%20California%20Governor%20Gavin%20Newsom%20does

      See, it only outlaws SOME speech, so it’s just fine with lefty-shitpile ‘fact-checkers’.

  24. LIBtranslator   8 months ago

    James Wylie has a book out on Amazon: Nazi Wives.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

      You know who else has a book out on Amazon?

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        Act Blue donating conservative assassins?

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

      Bikini pics?

      1. Dillinger   8 months ago

        like Eva Braun in a two-piece or like that stretch blonde in the third Indiana Jones movie?

        1. Chumby   8 months ago

          Reason could offer a swimsuit calendar during the next webathon.

          1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   8 months ago

            What would be the spank off value?

            1. Chumby   8 months ago

              For you, Robby and Billy.

  25. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

    BTW, the Chron ‘political columnist’ (as if they all aren’t) was doing his damndest to spin the VP debate as Vance, the ‘smooth talker’ vs the ‘authentic’ Walz.
    Not even CNN bothered with that sort of sophistry.

  26. Nobartium   8 months ago

    Jacobin writer theorizes that normal Americans hate the fact that people can make good money without having earned a college degree.

    There is indeed massive contempt for people that make good money with no degree.

    Almost all of it comes from the middle manager class.

    See Boehms article below.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      Liberal elites do tend to look down on all the Mike Rowe “dirty jobs” workers.

      A nephew on one side of the family eked out a HS diploma, immediately went to work as a mechanic and is now an apprentice aircraft mechanic. He owns his own home that he bought at age 25. (He’s plenty smart and knows his stuff, but panics taking a test.)

      A nephew on the other side of the family, a child of two teachers, has a degree in international business (whatever that means) and is still living with his parents at age 30, has no job except being a self-proclaimed “day trader”.

      1. mtrueman   8 months ago

        “He owns his own home that he bought at age 25.”

        A union man, I take it.

        “has no job except being a self-proclaimed “day trader”.

        I doubt there’s a union for jobless day traders. Not yet, anyway.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      There is indeed massive contempt for people that make good money with no degree.

      One thing that’s rather notable about the champagne communist class is how fast they peacock about their socio-economic status when the proles argue against whatever left-wing stupidity they’re promoting at the moment.

      There’s nothing sincere about Press’s appeal to class warfare. He and his kind look down their noses at working-class white people every day. Just look at how the chief editor of The Nation (where Radley Balko’s commie whore of a wife worked) and her friend reacted to a flight attendant saying “have a blessed day” when they landed in San Francisco.

  27. Small w woodchippertarian   8 months ago

    JD Vance is wrong about the proper oil level in a first-generation KLR650.

  28. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>Last night, the Israeli military struck about 200 targets in and around Beirut, including at least one medical building.

    your writing would be bias-free if you had brakes.

  29. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>Jacobin writer theorizes that normal Americans hate the fact that people can make good money without having earned a college degree.

    ya Alex Press deserves high mockery what a dbag.

  30. Dillinger   8 months ago

    <<Biden's handpicked replacement jockeying for the role of president

    stabbed him in the chest. hand-held, not handpicked.

  31. Rick James   8 months ago

    The fact that we don’t have an “enfeebled”, non-functioning president during a time of increasing global tensions is startling.

    We’re watching Biden get humiliated on the international stage while a couple of unknown deep state hacks are pushing us into wwiii.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      Biden withdrawing from the race has been instructive in that, in its wake, it’s as obvious as his dementia that neither he nor Harris currently have been the ones running the country. It’s all being coordinated by the Regime creatures on their staff, the State Department, and DHS. And that’s also the reason that everything’s been functioning in such a spastic, spiteful manner, because these are spastic, spiteful people.

      1. mtrueman   8 months ago

        “Biden withdrawing from the race has been instructive in that, in its wake, it’s as obvious as his dementia that neither he nor Harris currently have been the ones running the country.”

        That was also obvious during the Trump administration when his hand picked advisors and cabinet members conspired with each other to subvert his aims. Rex Tillerson, Secretary of State, and James ‘Mad Dog’ Mattis, Secretary of Defence, are probably the best but certainly not the only examples of non elected officials colluding to undermine Trump’s agenda. Spitefulness is a rather uncharitable way of looking at their actions. Their loyalty was to the Constitution, where Trump demanded loyalty to himself.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

          Spitefulness is a rather uncharitable way of looking at their actions.

          No, it’s quite accurate.

          Their loyalty was to the Constitution, where Trump demanded loyalty to himself.

          Their loyalty was to their own personal agendas, which happened to go against Trump’s. The Constitution had nothing to do with it, such as when DoD officials disobeyed his directive to pull troops out of Syria. Funny you bring up Mattis, because the reason he resigned was over Trump’s repeated desire to do so after ISIS had been pacified; he’s also a globalist piece of shit who got fooled by Elizabeth Holmes.

          1. mtrueman   8 months ago

            “No, it’s quite accurate”

            I disagree. I believe it is inaccurate.

            “Their loyalty was to their own personal agendas”

            I disagree. I believe their loyalty was to the constitution, (and the Empire) not to the executive.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

              I disagree. I believe it is inaccurate.

              And?

              I disagree. I believe their loyalty was to the constitution, (and the Empire) not to the executive.

              There loyalty was to themselves, not the Constitution.

              1. mtrueman   8 months ago

                You seem to think their actions were motivated out of their personal dislike of Trump. I think that’s a childish opinion attributing childishness to mature men of dedication, probity and intelligence. I think you are being intellectually lazy here and mean spirited and towards those you disagree with. It’s not an attractive trait, Red Rocks White Privilege, and it won’t work on me or any other non Trump cultist. Give it a rest.

                “There loyalty was to themselves, not the Constitution.”

                Their is the word you are looking for. Now that you’re fully committed to childishness, let’s go nuts, shall we?

                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

                  You seem to think their actions were motivated out of their personal dislike of Trump.

                  You should stop this mind-reading effort, you really suck at it.

                  I think that’s a childish opinion attributing childishness to mature men of dedication, probity and intelligence. I think you are being intellectually lazy here and mean spirited and towards those you disagree with. It’s not an attractive trait, Red Rocks White Privilege, and it won’t work on me or any other non Trump cultist. Give it a rest.

                  I don’t give a fuck if it “works” on you or not. You’re not human, you’re the enemy. As is anyone else who shares your opinions.

                  Their is the word you are looking for. Now that you’re fully committed to childishness, let’s go nuts, shall we?

                  Nah, your fixation on a typo is hardly relevant here. But I understand why you’re so dedicated to defending your fellow revolutionaries. It’s why the Suharto solution is so necessary.

      2. mad.casual   8 months ago

        And, once again, I didn’t vote for Trump. I voted against these people who have been running these things this way virtually unfettered, save slightly 4 yrs., since at least Bush Sr.

        1. Dillinger   8 months ago

          it’s been fun living in Texas and upholding a vow to never vote for another one of those carpetbaggers they’re everywhere.

  32. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>Israel has the greatest opportunity in 50 years to change the face of the Middle East

    sweet! can they put those giant Buddhist statues back up?

    1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      Sadly no, they blew them up.

      And other Islamists (a religion of peace, to be sure) destroyed countless mosques, churches, libraries, and museums. Bulldozers, explosives, going through museums with sledgehammers, burning books, manuscripts, papers, scrolls, papyri.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_cultural_heritage_by_the_Islamic_State

      1. Dillinger   8 months ago

        those bastards, those maniacs, they blew it all up.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

          “AH, DAMN YOU! GOD! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!”

        2. mad.casual   8 months ago

          A buddhist monk walks up to a shawarma truck and asks the Palestinian vendor to make him one with everything. The Palestinian vendor vaporizes them both, the truck, and everything within a half block with an explosive vest. Afterwards, Hamas steps up to say that they take credit and that everyone can keep the change.

    2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   8 months ago

      But with huge tits

  33. Dillinger   8 months ago

    if J.D. Vance is wrong … I don’t wanna be right.

  34. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

    Coming soon to Reason Plus ™ subscribers,
    Jacob Sullum: New Jack Smith filing reveals Trump tried to bribe fake electors with high priced American made toasters.
    Emma Camp: Survey reveals that without FAFSA reforms 87% percent of incoming freshmen will be unable to afford a Chinese toaster.
    Liz Wolfe: Thanks to the Jones Act thousands of desperately needed toasters sit in Canada undelivered.
    Fiona Harrington: Desperate Haitians in Springfield OH forced to eat untoasted sandwiches thanks to Vance racist propaganda.
    ENB: Asian sex workers unable to make toast after sex trafficking raid leaves them without electricity.
    The Reason Podcast: A listener asks for the libertarian take on toaster regulation and the UL certification.

    1. Chumby   8 months ago

      Ron Bailey: JD Vance got Fauci’s push to mask while toasting wrong

      1. Dillinger   8 months ago

        Bailey must be jumping out of his skin wanting to blame the hurricane that didn’t happen on climate change

  35. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    This has been another Day Without Fist of Etiquette. I hope all your lives were emptier today for it.

    1. mad.casual   8 months ago

      Aha! Mortal! I knew it all along.

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

      I just knew something was amiss but I couldn’t put my finger on it.

  36. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   8 months ago

    Whatever happened to the paywall they were going to implement in order to be able to comment? Sounds like a backdown worse than The Crown to the colonist response to the toward The Intolerable Acts

Please log in to post comments

Mute this user?

  • Mute User
  • Cancel

Ban this user?

  • Ban User
  • Cancel

Un-ban this user?

  • Un-ban User
  • Cancel

Nuke this user?

  • Nuke User
  • Cancel

Un-nuke this user?

  • Un-nuke User
  • Cancel

Flag this comment?

  • Flag Comment
  • Cancel

Un-flag this comment?

  • Un-flag Comment
  • Cancel

Latest

How Tariffs Are Breaking the Manufacturing Industries Trump Says He Wants To Protect

Eric Boehm | From the July 2025 issue

The Latest Escalation Between Russia and Ukraine Isn't Changing the Course of the War

Matthew Petti | 6.6.2025 4:28 PM

Marsha Blackburn Wants Secret Police

C.J. Ciaramella | 6.6.2025 3:55 PM

This Small Business Is in Limbo As Owner Sues To Stop Trump's Tariffs

Eric Boehm | 6.6.2025 3:30 PM

A Runner Was Prosecuted for Unapproved Trail Use After the Referring Agency Called It 'Overcriminalization'

Jacob Sullum | 6.6.2025 2:50 PM

Recommended

  • About
  • Browse Topics
  • Events
  • Staff
  • Jobs
  • Donate
  • Advertise
  • Subscribe
  • Contact
  • Media
  • Shop
  • Amazon
Reason Facebook@reason on XReason InstagramReason TikTokReason YoutubeApple PodcastsReason on FlipboardReason RSS

© 2024 Reason Foundation | Accessibility | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.

r

Do you care about free minds and free markets? Sign up to get the biggest stories from Reason in your inbox every afternoon.

This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged.

This modal will close in 10

Reason Plus

Special Offer!

  • Full digital edition access
  • No ads
  • Commenting privileges

Just $25 per year

Join Today!