J.D. Vance Is Wrong: Congress Is Indeed 'a High-Class Debating Society'
While congressmen hold performative hearings to win political points, they delegate policymaking to the administrative.

Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio) attempted to shield the Trump administration from criticism during the vice presidential debate on Tuesday by claiming that Congress was not "doing its job." Vance complained that Congress is not a "high-class debating society" but "a forum to govern." Congress has resembled the former more than the latter for decades.
Vance was responding to a question about his past disparagement of former President Donald Trump's failure to deliver his promised agenda of economic populism. After admitting to changing his mind about Trump, Vance pivoted to blame Congress for not cooperating with the Trump administration's legislative agenda. According to Vance, legislators were too busy "whin[ing] about problems" to pass bills on "on the border [and] on tariffs."
Congress' inability to legislate substantive issues has contributed to the ongoing immigration crisis. As Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz pointed out during the debate, immigration policy must be "done by the legislature—you can't just do this through the executive branch."
Both the Trump and Biden administrations have tried. In January 2017, Trump called for the construction of a physical wall along the Mexican-American border in an executive order. More recently, the Biden-Harris administration took action in June to limit asylum claims by migrants crossing the southern border.
That's how most big policy issues are resolved these days: by the executive branch, not Congress. It's a trend that began with the 1946 passage of the Administrative Procedures Act, which granted executive agencies the power to issue "substantive rule[s] or order[s]…within jurisdiction delegated to the agency."
As the executive branch has grown more powerful, lawmakers in Congress have become less productive. In 1973, Congress passed 772 bills. Fifty years later, it passed 47. Over the same period, the number of rules in the Federal Register has ballooned from 470,561 to 1,091,863, according to QuantGov, an open-source policy analytics platform published by the Mercatus Center.
These days, Congress struggles to pass the mandatory legislation that funds the very agencies to which it delegates power. This year was the sixth year in a row that Congress has failed to pass a single appropriations bill to fund the operations of the federal government. Vance's confidence in Congress acting as a serious legislative body is difficult to believe given his first-hand experience with its ineptitude and the sheer size of the executive branch.
There's ample reason to believe Vance is not genuinely invested in restoring Congress' ability to govern; he encouraged conservatives to seize the administrative state and use it "for [their] own purposes" when running for the Senate, Reason's Stephanie Slade reports. Vance specified that some of these purposes include punishing private institutions promoting "radical left-wing ideology" in a September 2021 Tucker Carlson interview.
Congress is and should be a debating society, but not the kind it currently is: a forum to publicly score points on political opponents to bolster reelection campaigns. Instead, legislators should vigorously debate the merits of bills to work out disagreements, seek compromise, and craft legislation that responds to the concerns of their constituents. If we accept Congress as the former instead of the latter, we should not be surprised when politicians—Republicans and Democrats alike—leverage the administrative state to pass substantive policy by fiat.
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So the big theme of the piece is that Congress needs to start doing its job and rein in Executive orders and Executive agency overreach.
And this a criticism of VP candidate JD Vance.
I think everyone with an ounce of honesty would say that it is the more conservative and libertarian Republican party that is likely to push for and achieve this goal - both through elected politicians, political appointees, and Supreme Court nominees.
But how does that help Jack push the marxist revolution as a member of the Party propaganda arm?
Amazing how they spin Vance saying, "Congress was not 'doing its job.'" onto it's head and blame Vance for it; isn't it.
Where's Sarcasmic to tell us we're all imagining this, and when that fails pretend that the criticism is legit, and when that fails say 'both sides', and when that fails redirect and call everyone homophobic for thinking Chase isn't all that libertarian.
Congress is like school in the summer - no class.
You mischaracterized the Administrative Procedures Act. It didn't increase executive powers. It introduced due process and rule of law into the hammering out of administrative tules.
What. The. Holy. Fuck?
J.D. Vance is wrong in that if we ignore what he said, and the facts and history and presume intentions from what wasn't said and then agree with what he actually said, then he's wrong for what we presume his intentions to be.
Does your double-overtime making up for Walz's fuckup rise to the level of donation to the campaign or no?
Congress is low class.
Congress can barely debate.
They are a society of people who think they are better than you and want to rule your life.
Congress mostly does neither. There isn't much debate (be it high or low level) and they fail to govern by constructing actual budgets or instructing federal agencies. Oddly, the examples used here are almost completely inverted. Trump got specific funding and direction to build up the border (though he was scrambling to find other ways to continue the process when the legislative momentum faded.) Biden has been using an old law and blatantly poor readings to spend money that wasn't appropriated to bring in illegal immigrants from a country that is long past the event that could reasonably qualify them for the program. You would think Nicastro could pull up examples that better fit his partisan slant or admit that Congress should be a high-tier debate club that makes compromises to govern in a manner that best serves the native population. He could at least admit that Congress is neither in this pithy critique of a small part of Vance's comment.
OT, but I don't think the "fire in a crowded theater" thing was that big of a deal even if Walz was wrong. His view of censorship is more concerning than flubbing a 1A example case.
fun all day watching this entire crew try to recover from Walz simultaneously imploding and exploding
Yeah ENB wrote lengthy piece about AI censorship in Minnesota but never mentioned the governor who signed the bill.
"J.D. Vance Is Wrong: Congress Is Indeed 'a High-Class Debating Society'."
Wrong, Mr. Nicastro.
Congress is not a "high-class debating society.
It's a low-class whorehouse.
Nothing new under the sun!
P.J. O'rourke book, Parliament of Whores, https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0802139701/reasonmagazinea-20/
This is a completely unfair comparison.
Whores provide a benefit to the people who pay their salary.
How does this article advance personal freedoms?
Meanwhile Jack 8-0 Smith just got his prime squeeze Chutkan to release a 180 page list of DNC talking points 34 days before the election. Sullum will be here first thing in the morning to explain how devastating this is for Orangeman.
Surprise!
It's only October 2nd!
Much more to come.
It's the same indictment they just put "private action" in front of anything.
Yep. They said Trump's actions were from "Candidate Trump" not "President Trump".
Ask the next ten people you bump into in real life who their congressman is. Or their senator.
We get the Congress we blindly rubber-stamp our vote for.
Didn't see that part of the the debate and I don't know who this Nicastro guy is but at first glance this looks like some pretty smarmy journalism to me. Based on the quote and the context as described it seems like Vance was criticizing congress for becoming a high class debating club while ignoring their duty to govern. In other words, the exact opposite of what the author claims he was saying. I'm open to being persuaded that Nick is not just another Reason leftist in a libertarian costume but that's the impression I'm left with at this point.
Reason lied? I’m shocked! Shocked I tell you!
This is like arguing whether Ivory Soap is really soap.
The only way to fix Congress is to prohibit government coercion.
Obama: I need a VP dumber than me.
Biden: I need a VP dumber than me.
Harris: I need a VP dumber than me.
Walz: Tampons anyone?
Snopes says it’s “mostly false” that the law he signed requires tampons in boys’ bathrooms.
Let’s see…
“While the law did not specifically mention boys’ bathrooms, it also did not restrict the rule to female or girls’ bathrooms. Paired with the laws protecting children’s access to gender-affirming care, this would require schools that do not provide gender-neutral restrooms to ensure such products to are available transmasculine students — that is, students who are either trans boys or students born female whose gender expression is masculine — to access them. In theory, this could require the stocking of menstrual products in boys’ bathrooms in some cases, though the editorial board of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune argued that is not the case…”
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tim-walz-tampons/
The language of the law: "A school district or charter school must provide students with access to menstrual products at no charge. The products must be available to all menstruating students in restrooms regularly used by students in grades 4 to 12 according to a plan developed by the school district. For purposes of this section, "menstrual products" means pads, tampons, or other similar products used in connection with the menstrual cycle."
Menstrual cycles?
https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/1qyfvz/what_a_great_way_to_get_around_town/
How many did they buy for the schools?
Be fair. Timmy is smarter and more likeable than Kammy. Joe is dumber than Kammy right now because he was never smart and now has a shriveled raisin for a brain. I really don't know how people can talk themselves into supporting this presidential ticket.
Walz: Tampons gentlemen?
Actually J.D. Vance is Right..... UN-believably right.
So right; you literally made the same argument and then called him wrong on a descriptive 'opinion' charge.
The Celebration Parallax
The Celebration Parallax may be stated as: “the same fact pattern is either true and glorious or false and scurrilous depending on who states it.” In contemporary speech, on any “controversial” topic—or, to say better, regime priority—the decisive factor is the intent of the speaker. If she can be presumed to be celebrating the phenomenon under discussion, she may shout her approval from the rooftops.
https://americanmind.org/salvo/thats-not-happening-and-its-good-that-it-is/
Hmmm…the article indeed seems to *agree* with Vance.
Perhaps Vance is such a Bad Person that every article about him has to call him wrong?
The fact that Nicastro thinks this trend started with the APA says something. Certainly not what he thinks it does, but something alright.
The sad fact is that Congress was for its first century a cabaret act on a par with the Capitol Steps devoted to swaying the opinion of its members, and any they invited to enjoy the high jinks, as to what the President's men proposed, much as the Oxford Union aspires today to warp the minds of future Parliamentarians and Privy Counselors.
It still serve the best turkey club sammich in the nation to the nations foremost turkeys even at the risk of inciting Vice Presidents to gobble as mightily as they can.
Congress is anything but high class. Far too many debates are little more than mud slinging. Congress seems to no longer be a body looking to govern as much as a group of people determined to keep a good paying government job. Fault the bureaucracy but those people get their work done, far more than Congress. Again, we need moderates willing to get compromise and get things done. We also need discipline in the Congress. Budgeting should be the priority and there should not be any other topics discussed or work allowed to move on to any other bill until the budget work is completed.
" the Biden-Harris administration took action in June to limit asylum claims by migrants cr"
The linked document doesn't say jack about limiting asylum claims, instead it is a publicity announcement from the WH touting the then new executive order to provide additional deferred action status to illegal aliens married to citizens can "keep their families together". Also further words touting the success of DACA.