Walz and Vance Dodge the Question on Bombing Iran
The first debate question was a pitch for war with Iran. Tim Walz and J.D. Vance both dodged it.

The vice presidential debate on Tuesday night opened with a question that might as well have been a pitch for war with Iran. Both Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz and Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio) dodged it, attacking each other's foreign policy records as weak while refusing to commit to any concrete action on Iran.
"Earlier today, Iran launched its largest attack yet on Israel, but that attack failed, thanks to joint U.S. and Israeli defensive action….Iran is weakened, but the U.S. still considers it the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world, and it has drastically reduced the time it would take to develop a nuclear weapon. It is down now to one or two weeks' time," CBS moderator Margaret Brennan said. "Gov. Walz, if you were the final voice in the Situation Room, would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran?"
Brennan was wrong on two counts. The Iranian missile attack, which Iran said was retaliation for Israeli assassinations over the past few months, hit some of the Israeli military bases that it targeted. And although Iran could accumulate enough enriched uranium for a bomb within a few weeks—probably what Brennan was referring to—the U.S. government believes that it would take months longer to actually assemble a working weapon.
Despite the framing, Brennan asked an important question. The next president may well have to choose between bombing Iran or letting the Iranian nuclear program continue toward weaponization. Neither candidate answered clearly. It's no wonder why. While Americans are worried (and somewhat confused) about an Iranian bomb, the prospect of another full-on war is still unpopular.
"What's fundamental here is that steady leadership is going to matter," Walz said, launching into a tirade about former President Donald Trump's "fickleness" towards allies and his "dangerous" leadership on issues that had nothing to do with Iran. "We will protect our forces and our allied forces, and there will be consequences," Walz added.
Vance countered that "Donald Trump actually delivered stability in the world, and he did it by establishing effective deterrence." He accused the Biden administration of allowing Iran to receive "over $100 billion in unfrozen assets."
Like Brennan, Vance had his statistics confused. Although the Biden administration has allowed Iran to move some of its own money out of foreign bank accounts, it doesn't amount to nearly $100 billion; instead, the neoconservative Foundation for Defense of Democracies got that number by adding revenue from Iranian oil sales that the U.S. allegedly failed to stop.
"Now, you asked about a preemptive strike, Margaret, and I want to answer the question," Vance concluded. "Look, it is up to Israel what they think they need to do to keep their country safe, and we should support our allies wherever they are when they're fighting the bad guys."
Somewhat surprisingly, both candidates also defended diplomacy during their exchange. "Diplomacy is not a dirty word," Vance said, promising "effective, smart diplomacy and peace through strength." And Walz praised the Obama administration's deal to restrict Iranian nuclear activities in exchange for allowing Iran to access foreign markets.
But Walz also echoed the Democratic Party's attacks on Trump for not bombing Iran during previous clashes. "When Iran shot down an American aircraft in international airspace, Donald Trump tweeted," he said, referring to a June 2019 incident, in which Iran shot down a U.S. drone and Trump canceled a planned retaliation. "And when Iranian missiles did fall near U.S. troops, and they received traumatic brain injuries. Donald Trump wrote it off as headaches," Walz continued, referring to the January 2020 near-war between the U.S. and Iran.
It was a far cry from Democrats' line in 2020, when they were willing to talk seriously about the risks of war and criticize Trump for being too cavalier with it. Doing that today, of course, would put Democrats in an awkward position. For all the Biden administration's talk about de-escalation, White House adviser Brett McGurk has been quietly encouraging Israel to escalate against Iran's allies, according to Politico.
Rather than politicians from either party, it has come down to the U.S. military to level with the public about the issues at stake. In December 2021, then-Gen. Kenneth McKenzie Jr. gave a surprisingly blunt interview to The New Yorker about Iran's "ability to overwhelm" U.S. troops with missile "overmatch," and the "bloody war" that could result. "We would be hurt very badly," he said. "We would win in the long run. But it would take a year."
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How about we just let those assholes bomb each other while we do nothing?
How are Israel assholes? Also, Iran needs to lose and have their Wahhabis regime overthrown.
Wahhabis are Saudi Arabia. Iran is Twelver Shia and the Wahhabis hate them almost more than Jews (and vice versa).
Oops. Thanks for the correction. I got my Islamist nutjobs mixed up.
That's easy to do.
And so many of them……..
Let us pretend for a moment that some people think they are assholes. I don’t, you clearly don’t, but for the sake of argument, we can pretend.
Israel clearly has the capability to remove their enemies if they are let off their leash. And some willpower.
Which is in stark contrast to our current leadership, which likes to issue impotent warnings about dire consequences that never materialize when so-called red lines are crossed.
Now, I don’t want to go to war with Lebanon or Iran or even Gaza to back up these vague threats by our administration. Wouldn’t it be a better policy to allow Israel to do it?
^+1 Israel can buy what the desire.
On our dime? Fuck 'em.
How is that supposed to drive up Raytheon's stock price, dummy.
What was I thinking?
Neocon anvilheads BTFO:
Bill Kristol
@BillKristol
You know it wasn't a good night when the best your allies can say on text or email is, "Don't worry, vice presidential debates don't matter."
"Your allies"
Tells you everything you need to know about Kristol's dedication to making the communist utopia happen, just not as fast. A fitting close to the circle on a punditry family history that began with his Trotskyite daddy.
You'd think that the fact that the Bush administration and guys like Kristol and Frum are all in on Team Kammy would give our Reasonistas pause. But nope.
Like Brennan, Vance had his statistics confused. Although the Biden administration has allowed Iran to move some of its own money out of foreign bank accounts, it doesn’t amount to nearly $100 billion”
It wasn’t its own money. It was money that 40 years ago belonged to Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, his government and rest of the Royal family.
Now, we can argue about how they got it and how monarchies exploit their nations, but the fact is it never belonged to the Iranian revolutionaries who overthrew the Pahlavi’s and now run the country as Mullahs, until Barack and Joe decided to hand it to them because they really, really wanted it.
Now maybe this is being pedantic, Petti, but if you’re going to be pedantic too about not including oil revenue, I can be pedantic over who it belonged to.
I hate when democrats like Petti make that bullshit claim. Your response is far more civil than mine would have been.
Petti parroting the Bushpig shrike’s talking point is fucking wild.
The Shah was dead 40 years ago, dumbshit.
And that refutes the point of the money not belonging to the revolutionary regime how?
What was I thinking, he died 44 years ago, not 40. Well that invalidates everything... somehow. Anyway, his wife and kids and relatives weren’t, and the government in exile wasn’t either.
I mean, technically, when you read:
"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”
He left out "Every bank balance has been transferred to The Party."
Probably because Big Brother wasn't *all* about consolidating power and was really fastidious about people keeping their own money the way he was really fastidious about chocolate rations.
It's actually really funny that for all the patently untrue "These people owned Gaza/Tel Aviv back to the time of the Canaanites and before." that "We stole that shit by force fair and square." in living memory gets completely obviated.
No war. No funding for other nations. Learn from the folly of The Great War.
WTF you doing hanging out in a group home for retards? You don't belong here!
If you are referring to the US, I concur.
We should have told Israel how the cow ate the cabbage decades ago and if they don’t care to heed our warnings they can go without our money.
I mean, we really don't need an actual war.
If we hit all their major cities with nuclear bombs, we can just declare victory right then and there. I mean, what, are the literal desert people going to mount their camels and make a transatlantic voyage to shout "jihad!" on our doorstep?
Aaaaahhhh, I know. You want the Jews to do it for you. If only to just further the anti-Semitism narrative in the West. But here's the dirty little secret, if the last year hasn't made it clear in spades - Israel no longer cares about you calling them names. And they will kill you in the most awesomely creative and minimally destructive ways, which is apparently a tradecraft they've spent a long time perfecting.
So, maybe the US should just step up and start carpet-nuking Iran. I mean, literally, just nuke them and nuke them and nuke them and nuke them and keep nuking them. And any time Russia or China complains, start nuking them too (because, hey, party bonus). If only to make it very clear which side we're on, and avoid a pissed-off Mossad making our pockets all simultaneously explode.
The tag line is just about the most idiotic tag line that I've seen. Why should either of the debaters provide a knee-jerk reaction to an event that is so incredibly recent just to satisfy Matthew Petti.
Personally, I feel that there are too many unknowns to provide anything other than a non-answer.
It would be diplomatically and politically irresponsible and retarded for them to say they'll help kick off WW3. Neither is the top of the ticket, but Iran is looking for any excuse to get more aggressive. I know Petti wants them to say "fuck Israel" but that just isn't a reasonable response.
would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran?"
Brennan was wrong on two counts.
3 counts - an Israeli direct campaign against Iran would not be preemptive it would be reactive at this point.
Remember when Democrats were freaking out because John McCain was jokingly singing "bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran" to the tune of the Beach Boys song "Barbara Ann"?
I'm guessing Petti misses Dick Cheney. Now there's a VP that knew how to handle foreign policy.
It was an “Are you still beating your wife?” question. The only correct response was to refuse to answer it.
Even if you have a strong position on the question, revealing it is like showing your cards in poker.
Also, how stupid do you have to be to describe a strike as “preemptive” in the aftermath of a large strike against you?