Heated Political Rhetoric Is Usually Not Fatal
Trump and Vance should stop blaming Democratic rhetoric (and vice versa).

Having survived a second assassination attempt in as many months, former President Donald Trump knows precisely whom to blame: his political enemies, the media, and the Democrats. (Three sides of the same coin.)
"He believed the rhetoric of [President Joe] Biden and [Vice President Kamala] Harris, and he acted on it," Trump told Fox News—referencing Ryan Wesley Routh, the 58-year-old would-be assassin who was apprehended on Sunday after camping out at the Trump International Golf Course. "Their rhetoric is causing me to be shot at, when I am the one who is going to save the country, and they are the ones that are destroying the country—both from the inside and out."
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Trump's running mate, Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio), has said similar things.
"No one has tried to kill Kamala Harris in the last couple of months, and two people now have tried to kill Donald Trump in the last couple of months," said Vance. "I think that's pretty strong evidence that the left needs to tone down the rhetoric or somebody is going to get hurt."
It's true that the other side increasingly talks about Trump in apocalyptic terms: a threat to democracy, fascist, Hitler, etc. But Trump's own rhetoric is often quite inflammatory. He's called Harris a Marxist, a communist, and, for good measure, a fascist. And back when he was a prominent Never Trumper, Vance himself called Trump every awful name in the book.
Political figures often use heated rhetoric, make unfair comparisons, and aggressively inflate the views, statements, and character of their political enemies. This has gone on forever. Whether it exacerbates the problem of political violence is extremely unclear. Republicans once claimed to understand this, and correctly pushed back on Democrats and media figures who lazily and falsely blamed the right for inspiring the shooting of former Rep. Gabby Giffords (D–Ariz.). It's demoralizing to see Trump and Vance easily succumb to the temptation to do the exact same thing.
Calls to tamp down on inflammatory rhetoric are fine, but the public should be wary of attempts to draw any causal lines between heated language and real-world violence. As always, it's important to remember that there is very, very little political violence in the U.S. Americans are far more likely to engage in violence against one another due to tensions in the workplace or the home—politically-motivated hatred is a component of shockingly few crimes.
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I'm joined by Amber Duke to discuss the second Trump assassination attempt, the pet-eating controversy, Hillary Clinton's idea to criminalize the spreading of misinformation, and Anna Navarro's latest hot take.
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Boaf sidez!
Trump survived a second assassination attempt by a second Act Blue donor.
Nelson assured me that donating to act blue makes them conservatives.
Thanks to "Nelson" we learned that:
1. Act Blue donations
2. Democratic Party donations
3. Biden/Harris stickers on your car doors
4. Attempted assassination attempts on Republican candidates
Are all traditionally conservative activities.
Don’t you see? It was all to lay blame on the poor innocent democrats!
"Nelson assured me that donating to act blue makes them conservatives."
It makes them confused conservatives. Democrats have teams of operatives who spend their time dreaming up ways to exploit these poor souls.
Yeah, they all end up in blackrock commercials somehow.
You mean violent blackrock commercials, don't you? Or just blackrock commercials that incite violence?
Third stage Syphilus is truly horrible.
Blackrock commercials are so much worse.
You should try both and get back to us.
That would explain mturdman...
Who was also in a Blackrock Comercial.
Also tump may have survived 2 assassination attempts, but Harris has survived 2 scripted interviews.
Also are we ignoring the Iranians that were planning on killing Trump?
Didn't Trump plan killing Iranians? Reap what ye sow, chickens returning, karma, etc.
I remember when he killed that terrorist and started WW3.
Was he family?
The great wheel of karma is rolling our way.
It’s rolling YOUR way, pervert.
Bring it on. I'm not the one who's being shot at.
The fuck does that even mean?
Black nazi
Fat and sassy.
The weird thing about actual Nazis is that they have a hankering for the forbidden fruit.
Are you telling on yourself?
Forbidden fruit, huh?
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And where would you prefer 9 year olds to learn about sex? Are there any porn sites on the web you could point to that you think would do a better, more responsible job? I’m pretty sure most 9 year olds masturbate. It’s easy to do and is a source of innocent merriment.
The day isn’t over yet. YOUR chickens are coming home to roost, sooner than you think.
Kamala must have sent them another pallet of cash.
Boaf sidez! But all the assassination attempts are against Republicans. And not just Trump. Remember Steve Scalise, Rand Paul, and Brett Kavanaugh? All targeted by democrats. Scalise almost died.
Fuck the democrats. We should start locking up the real true believers at the first opportunity.
They just arrested a guy foe threatening all 6 "conservatice" USSC justices.
What a shock. Should Trump prevail, I’m hoping I can get someone in his DoJ interested in using my legal strategy to put the democrat media in prison for FEC violations as a spearhead to a new generation of McCarthyism.
I am interested in your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
You mean like manifesto, but in serialized format? I don’t do those. I’ve merely figured out that it’s entirely feasible to lock up the democrat media using existing federal election laws, while attaching RICO.
Like when Democrat Shannon Brandt who ran over a teenager and killed him for being MAGA. Or when a crazed Democrat on an ATV ran over an 80 year old as he put up a Trump sign in his front yard. Or those awful "red SUVs" that just drive into them for no reason.
But remember, it's the Democrats who are the ones terrified of potential MAGA violence.
Act Blue are the victims here and anyone that donated to them and is supporting their candidates is a conservative either confused or trying to besmirch their good name.
Okay, I get the point, but Res SUV man wasn’t political or ideological. He was just a violent narcissist.
Its amazing how the violent narcisists choose a victim at random and its always some conservative.
But all the assassination attempts are against Republicans.
Obviously, since if it was people who knew how to actually use firearms doing it, they wouldn't be "attempts"...
Oh, come on, that guy who nicked Trump's ear was actually a pretty decent shot; Even the best shot can't beat a long range target randomly moving AFTER you've pulled the trigger!
If not for that, it would have been exploding grey matter all over the people near Trump.
Long range? Wasn’t it like 130 yards?
Rhetoric or blatant systematic defamation?
did you lose a fucking bet? why would you even do this?
Just ignore their online statements mirroring DNC/Media narratives.
You cannot possibly be serious.
He isn't.
Obviously.
This is Reason's shtick the last few years. Just rage baiting people into commenting. Maybe they think if they're obnoxious enough folks will pay for reason plus to tell them how stupid they are.
They have a humiliation kink.
Could you even imagine?
"Heated Political Rhetoric Is Usually Not Fatal
Trump and Vance should stop blaming Democratic rhetoric"
He was shot at twice, and missed death the first time by bloody ear, a tenth of a second and a half inch, and this is their fucking take.
Mind boggling.
If they manage to plug him the next time will Robbie both sides us again?
That article would lead with admonishment of the act followed by a but that leads into the MSM narrative about Trump’s rhetoric.
It's actually mind-blowing to take this stance after years of persecuting MAGA and Trump for J6. There was a riot and crimes committed, but they have consistently blamed Trump for his rhetoric.
The discrepancy here wouldn't exist if Robby was actually principled rather than running cover for the left
Journalists are the ones who inflame rhetoric. They merely quote pols – or not. There is a reason that media and journalism are two of the top ten professions for sociopaths. Manipulating with rhetoric is a hella skillset.
And it isn’t a coincidence that the media, and all those sociopaths, are almost exclusively democrats.
Robby, you ignorant slut!
Glad you see no possible connection for current Democratic statements that Trump is Hitler, Satan, and the Apocalypse combined, and that our very existence will end if he is not just beaten in a polite election, but vanquished as pure evil must be, and extreme actions by Democratic activists, from media now lying without reservation to actual assassins (causing "regrettable" actual death). And no problem with the past 8 years of similar hyperbole and any other extra-legal actions from Team Blue.
Violent rhetoric only works in one direction.
Crosshairs on a map of the states, or Trump calling Nazis "vermin" and saying MS-13 "wasn't human" will lead to orgies of MAGA violence.
However every news channel and Democrat pol saying that Trump and his voters are evil and immediate threats to humanity and (D)emocracy and must be stopped at any cost isn't going to do anything.
There must have been a media blackout on all those assassination attempts on biden/harris.
Biden was attacked by a flight of stairs and then a paved road assaulted the bicycle he was riding. Both instances damned near took him out.
Far right* flight of stairs.
Have you forgotten that small carpet on the raised stage that actually took Biden down and almost annihilated the free world and Democracy?
At that moment, Biden went down quicker than Kamala in Willie Brown’s office.
Republicans once claimed to understand this, and correctly pushed back on Democrats and media figures who lazily and falsely blamed the right for inspiring the shooting of former Rep. Gabby Giffords (D–Ariz.). It's demoralizing to see Trump and Vance easily succumb to the temptation to do the exact same thing.
Democrats did it first. That makes it ok.
So lazy.
Not just lazy, but trollish and dishonest. Sarc actually wants to be a piece of shit.
And he’s succeeded at that for decades.
Yawn.
Nobody called Gabby a threat to democracy and the next hitler, and an existential threat to america.
And the Gabby shooter was a Democrat who didn't repeat RNC narratives
And Gabby wasn’t the target. It was the judge who was also present. There’s a good chance Loughner didn’t know who she was.
Totally different than leftist, fascist Marxist. Like totally. And stuff.
Always the same shit.
I like how facts and evidence don’t matter to you. Just your Jen Psaki narratives.
Especially amusing watching you cry for being called for what you are despite you throwing around far right, Trump cultist, forever Trumper, etc.
Never change man.
Is there some fee I can pay that will let me cross this bridge and be done with your shit?
Coconino County, right?
How many bridges can there be?
Just kill yourself. Do it.
Admit you're a retarded lying leftist. Then maybe.
Why do you get so angry about the truth? You offer nothing here and then cry when people point it out. Lol.
Fake Mute me again. That was working great.
How many data analysts name Jesse age around 57 working for a government contractor, brag about playing sports in college, likely tall and a bully, well groomed, look like a cop, are are on sites that people use to look up people, and haven't a clue?
Lucky for you I’m lazy.
Sounds like you’re in love.
ew
Just sayin it might not be hard to dox him. If someone put some effort into it.
If someone did I'd PayPal them a few Benjamins.
Wait, you didn’t have me on mute after all?
So goddamn pathetic.
Maybe you should save your money and come visit me. You can attempt to follow through with your pathetic violent threats against me, and then I can lawfully put you out of everyone’s misery.
Nah, you’re way too much of a pussy to actually do anything. You’re a mouth degenerate leftist drunk, and that Sal, you’ll ever be.
I offered to meet him in Maine near the trading post he mentioned. He accused me of stalking him for what he publicly said.
Go ahead and try buddy. Lol.
Look at your empty threats. Why not threaten me physically again. Poor drunk leftist.
Bookmarked. Lol.
Creepy shit like that is why his ex-wife left him.
And CPS was called on him.
I’ve been saying that for years. Sarc has a bizarre errata homosexual obsession with Jesse. He truly is in love with Jesse, and will NEVER mute him. The rest of us are the closest thing he will ever have to friends.
As miserable as Sarc is, can you imagine how unbearably annoying he is in person?
Think I was just the first to tire of his bullshit and call out his leftist ignorance. Same with Jeff.
They both adore me.
If Reason allowed avatars, jeff would like you more if you used a middle school class picture.
Fair.
I was adorable.
Oh no. I gave sarc more info to find me.
Lucky for you I’m lazy.
And a drunk.
Ideas!
Really? You’re trying to impress the imbeciles?
Put the Allen's down.
Are you impressed?
On days when mod isn't around you're easily the dumbest fuck here.
Debatable.
Projection. Seems like a binary response on your part to label me as you. *pat’s sarckles on the head* Try harder buddy.
If I were Jesse, I might be worried if you have donated to Act Blue. Two would be Trump assassins have donated to Act Blue and here you are with that strange, disturbing post.
Think you got one thing right here. Tall. Lol.
Now let me try.
How many alcoholic drug users that burn meat, homeless (state system!), have delinquent daughters who key cars, angering the dad yo have CPS called on him, have an ex wife who was barely lucky to escape only to have sarc call the sheriff on, that live in a world of delusion, threaten people and then run away like a bitch live in Maine?
Maine Tourism not likely to use that in their promotional materials.
Don’t forget leaf peeping season then winter snowmobiling!
It would make the state interesting. In a zoo experience type of sense.
It is already a zoo here. Last week had a moose cross in front of the vehicle, saw two bucks sparring next to the house, and this week a pack of coyotes rallied nearby in full daylight. Maybe 150 yards out.
Coyotes are boring. The live in all the washes here. Hawks keep dropping rattlesnakes in the pool. Javelina digging up irrigation. Bobcats lazing on the walls. And homeless rustling through the trash.
Wonder if me shooing the last animal off is what startled sarc.
The little SW ones may be boring. Some here get large. There is some hynridwzation with a wolf population.
Meanwhile the Republican candidate for Governor in North Carolina who calls himself the Black Nazi is cleaning out his office amid speculation that he is about to withdraw.
#GOP Family Values again.
The resident pedophile is truly worried about family values.
Buttplug cares about family values exactly like how he cares about children.
What happened to your original account? Biden-Harris shrinkflation?
Black Nazi
Fat and sassy.
Please spare us your sexual fantasies.
You've always enjoyed them before, have you not?
I know you are but what am I!
That was quite the argument in second grade.
Try not to think about second graders, ok?
No, you shut up!
You’ve found your level.
I’ll leave you to it.
Now you're just being rude.
Republicans all secretly fantasize about being Nazis.
Make Aryans Great Again.
What happened to your original account?
Whereas your Nazi tendencies are quite real.
"Make Aryans Great Again."
Buttplug actually means it, folks:
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Uncle Clarence has had his hand out for over 20 years.
GIMME DAT WHITIE MONEY!
That fucking cop lover.
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Taking on Katanji Brown Jackson for lowest IQ affirmative action hire
Uncle Clarence a candidate.
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Sandy, I had a genuine fear that a Senator Walker would be shucking and jiving us good liberty-loving Georgians every day.
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Many have asked for an update to the Buttplug Horse Race:
Tim Scott 400-1 Whuffo Bro? Whuffo is you in dis race fo, bro?
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Dude, I am from the South. You can’t troll me on race.
Do you remember Spermin’ Herman Cain? He sounded like a slave extra from Song of the South.
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No, you’re a fucking snowflake who only gets offended when one of your Lawn Jockeys is criticized.
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Groveling like a shoe-shine boy, Tim Scott humiliates himself for Fatass Donnie.
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SE Cupp is a conservative commentator who is ashamed of Tim Scott’s groveling ‘Happy slave” act concerning Donnie.
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Tim Scott’s Vice Presidential Debasement Is Almost Complete
Debasement? Are you for real? This smacks of racism.
Tim Scott’s twerking and jiving is just him feeling that ole-timey religion.
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Fact checking Tim Scott – Trump’s black friend/shine boy:
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How many little lawn jockeys are in your yard? I bet it looks like a scene from a Tarzan movie out there.
“I have often been called a Nazi, and, although it is unfair, I don't let it bother me. I don't let it bother me for one simple reason. No one has ever had a fantasy about being tied to a bed and sexually ravished by someone dressed as a liberal.”
- PJ O’Rourke
Remember the freak out when Trump called the media the enemy of the people? Now calling him an existential threat to our democracy every few minutes in their campaign ads is just fine. Reminds me that no matter how much you hate the media it is nowhere near enough. The world would be a better place if every last one of them were to be found swinging from lampposts.
Trump is not sincere when he calls the press the enemy of the people. He calls ABC communists and anti American enemies, and then goes and agrees to subject himself to a humiliating spectacle in the debate? It doesn't add up.
"The world would be a better place if every last one of them were to be found swinging from lampposts."
Trump has expressed appreciation of the press. Specially for its role in vetting potential job candidates in the white house. The press are expert in digging up dirt on people, Trump is more comfortable with golf courses and hotels.
“The world would be a better place if every last one of them were to be found swinging from lampposts."
You want to explain why you put that in quotes?
I was quoting a previous commenter. The words are attributed to another, not me. If we had our way and murdered all the journalists, who would be there to dig up dirt on politicians and their minions?
The truth is that we need journalists for that and Trump knows this and has stated as much. The world would not be a better place if we murdered all the journalists. It's very illiberal of you to think it would. Trump doesn't believe it. Else why would he entrust his good name to the press and put himself voluntarily at their disposal. All his talk of enemies of the people doesn't pass the smell test with me. You seem to accept it at face value. Perhaps you can explain it.
You're correct. The world would be worse if we killed all journalists.
We just need to need to get a few journalists into the media. There is a massive lack of them. And it's not due to downsizing as there has been a massive lack of journalists for decades.
The stenographers for the DNC that overpopulate the press, however, could cease to be with no negative impact whatsoever.
""We just need to need to get a few journalists into the media. ""
It's not the journalists we need to get rid of. It's the party propaganda spokespeople. They need to be removed and journalists should get their jobs back.
“Usually “ doing some heavy lifting.
Republicans once claimed to understand this, and correctly pushed back on Democrats and media figures who lazily and falsely blamed the right for inspiring the shooting of former Rep. Gabby Giffords (D–Ariz.). It's demoralizing to see Trump and Vance easily succumb to the temptation to do the exact same thing.
The interesting element to this comparison is how many differences there are for Robbie to ignore trying to make the point. Most importantly Giffords was a complete unknown outside her district and nobody special within it. She was never specifically targeted by national ads nor described in demagogic terms. As a result there was never any reason to believe Loughner shot her for political reasons, and further he had no coherent political views anyway. Nevertheless Dems and the left generally continued to assert this link for decades.
By contrast Dems have been driving hatred against everyone on the right for decades as their control of our education system gives them the platform to push this message. Plus the left supports those who kill on their behalf by (among other steps) providing financial sinecures as they did for Bill Ayers, Kathy Boudin, and others.
The key distinction is that Trump is asserting something that is perfectly plausible and in fact fits the current existing propaganda campaign. Meanwhile Democrats asserted something that was demonstrably false even the moment it was stated.
As for whether Dem rhetoric caused the attack people have no qualms accepting that the Nazi demonizing propaganda campaign against Jews had a significant effect in driving violent actions against them. For decades Dems have similarly been intentionally driving such hatred, does it change the effects if their preferred result was winning elections rather than mass murder?
"Heated Political Rhetoric Is Usually Not Fatal."
...unless you're a conservative.
Then it's open season on you by the deranged leftist useful idiots.
What, you forgot that over-rated comedienne who drew chuckles dragging around a facsimile of Biden's bloody head? And the Rand Paul fanatic who shot up the Dem's softball practice?
Good one.
Dont forget about the broadway play where they enacted a hoped-for assassination of Biden
I actually basically agree with the premise. The only people responsible for attempted assassinations are the assassins. Edge cases where someone trains or pays someone to pull off an assassination, or conspirators, could also be considered 'to blame'.
That said, Trump is playing the same game as the Democrats are. They love to whine about 'Republican rhetoric' being behind everything from gang violence to school shootings. It works for them, so it's not terribly surprisingly that Trump would mirror that. It's an emotional appeal that works on fools, and notably most of the electorate on both sides are fools.
At least Reason is pretty consistent on this particular thing, which shouldn't even be notable except so many others get it wrong. I recall when Reason posted their opinion piece that Palin wasn't responsible for Gabby Giffords being shot, and this is more or less just a retread of that.
All that being said, places that claim to be 'news sources' should maybe stop comparing Trump to Hitler and making wild claims about an 'end to democracy' since they are objectively hysterical nonsense claims. I guess that shit sells, but at some point they're going to cross the line into outright defamation. There is criticizing an opposing candidate, and then there is publishing outright falsehoods. They've done the latter at least 3 times I can think of, and without consequence last I checked.
Fortunately, I don't really think publications should be under the thumb of government censors even with the garbage they put into print but they should be allowed to fail into oblivion or sued until there is nothing left in their coffers. Unfortunately, judges keep moving the bar on what constitutes defamation and libel making it unclear on what exactly falls into that category and what doesn't.
Remember when George Zimmerman sued NBC for their provably falsified reporting and couldn't clear the 'public figure' hurdle? Yeah, the 'media' writ large basically uses the claim that anyone they report on is automatically a public figure which makes it almost impossible to sue them and judges have absolutely gone along with that.
Then you have good Ole Sullum.
Trump's pre-riot speech was reckless because it was foreseeable that at least some people in his audience would be moved to go beyond peaceful protest.
https://reason.com/2023/12/21/was-the-capitol-riot-an-insurrection-and-did-trump-engage-in-it/
Right. The entire January 6 narrative regarding it being Trump's fault completely repudiates this perspective. Either he's completely blameless for what people did at the Capitol, or the Democrats bear some measure of responsibility for people taking pot-shots at him.
Exactly! but that still leaves the job of determining how to split the baby.
How much, or at what concentration, does the overheated rhetoric contribute to the catalyzing of destructive behaviour in the weak and defective mind contingent? It has been reported that "95% negative coverage of Trump on ABC, CBS, NBC after 2nd assassination attempt: report".
Does anyone here honestly believe the number would be the same if this was post Kamala or Joe assasination attempt? Well - I guess it would be at least the same! It would still be 95%+ negative coverage of Trump. But would it be negative of Biden or Harris ? I think not.
the upshot being, while being officially 'shocked and saddened' by a Trump assassination they are undoubtedly salivating at the idea of being able to report endlessly on this new big story
Giffords was shot by a nominal democrat (with severe mental issues from a head injury) because she made him feel bad.
Democrats have been calling for Trump's assassination for years.
The existing power structure punishes political violence from the right and excuses it from the left. Jan 6th versus the anti-Trump and pro-BLM riots. That encourages violence from the left.
"They’ve done the latter at least 3 times I can think of, and without consequence last I checked."
You're not planning on voting for them, are you? That's a consequence. If they want to win, they need all the votes they can get.
Robby, you're not supposed to comment on your own article.
Years of calling one side Nazis, and specifically referring to one person as the direct equivalent to Hitler has a predictable outcome.
The ongoing portrayal of the Florida attempted assassin in a very positive light ensures future attempts. There's also been a very clear signal that political violence is encouraged from the Left. Christopher Wray- We can't find the people attacking pro-life centers because they are wearing masks and operating in the dark. Anti-Trump riots, BLM riots, with property damage and death- no big deal. How many arrests?
Also Christopher Wray- Managed to find everyone that was near the capital on Jan 6th 2021. How many thousands arrested? Set up counter terrorism team to deal with parents concerned about schools transing their kids and distributing pornography to them.
You get to say "both sides" when Democrats start getting shot. Paul Pelosi's games with his Democrat sex partner don't count.
Imagine if someone argued that Trump's rhetoric caused the Capitol riot and as such Trump is guilty of iNsUrReCtIoN.
How absird would such an argument be?
Imagine if they lied about what he actually said.
"Heated Political Rhetoric Is Usually Not Fatal"
We can fix that. Add in a few hundred million guns and that should go a ways into putting things right.
^^^
Everyone look at the true libertarian here.
Distribute a few hundred million guns among a few hundred million entitled morons, and what do you expect? Well?
Strangely most gun crimes are committed in democratic shitholes populated by genetic mistakes like you.
You've clearly got some catching up to do. How many gun crimes have you committed recently?
I told you before to stop sniffing glue.
No, you shut up!
Ok, Socrates.
Heated Political Rhetoric Is Usually Not Fatal
And the Secret Service usually does their job
He is saying that Trump should tone down his rhetoric when in proximity to buildings with sloped roofs.
Another reason crime going down: There's nothing left to steal.
2024 may rank among the best years of Trump's life, for in it he enjoyed a Churchillian experience his bone spurs long denied him : the exhilaration of being shot at without effect.
Like that airport Walz defended in either Iraq or Afghanistan, but he actually was never in either place?
He went to war in Italy! Impressive in 1944, not so much in 2024.
Why would Trump want to be like Churchill? Don't you know that Churchill was the villain of WWII?
He’s saying Trump is evil because he didn’t want to go to Vietnam.
Trump must view 2024 as his finest year in which he overcame his crippling bone spurs to experience the Churchillian exhilaration of being fired upon without effect.
I guess you missed my sarcasm and reference to Tucker's recent controversial guest. I know that "recent controversial guest" isn't very specific when it comes to Tucker Carlson, but it isn't too hard to figure out who I mean given the topic.
Look. Here's the thing. Calling someone a Nazi or a Marxist is pretty normal in our discourse.
Trump is the first one where "Threat to democracy" is common. It's not just the occasional outlier. It's an official campaign slogan and repeated by many news outlets. The statement is pretty clear. If he is elected, we are done.
It's not just the unhinged who now think killing Trump will save the world, it's anyone who listens to CNN and believes the statements as presented.
We can tell this by looking at the popular response, with many people publicly cheering on the assassins. How can you say that this is not the case when it's right before your eyes?
Trump is the first one where “Threat to democracy” is common. It’s not just the occasional outlier. It’s an official campaign slogan and repeated by many news outlets. The statement is pretty clear. If he is elected, we are done.
It is also a fact that he acted to try and have the official results of the 2020 Presidential election denied outside of any constitutional method. Calling Trump a threat to democracy is an opinion that can be supported by facts.
I can see you don't actually know anything about history nor the constitution.
This is a true statement.
He tried to challenge the vote in court and encouraged protest. That protest got out of control into a riot.
Aside from scale, how is it different from Gore’s challenge in 2000? Demands for recounts, accusations of fraud. These are fairly standard. There were reports of active sabotage and destruction of White House property by Clinton Staffers on the way out.
Clinton accused Trump for years of being illegitimate, including a riot on his inauguration that included over 200 people arrested.
How is this unusual?
To compare, Harris is unprecedented that she pulled a bait and switch, invalidating the DNC Primary.
You don’t get to be a bigger threat to democracy than actually cancelling an election.
He tried to challenge the vote in court and encouraged protest.
I see you are just going to pretend that he didn't call the Georgia Secretary of State and try and pressure him to find a way to change things, telling him how bad it could be for him if he didn't agree with Trump about whether there was fraud. Or the other attempts by Trump and his surrogates to pressure state officials and legislators to change the results without having to, you know, actually prove that fraud was why Biden won their states in a court with rules of evidence and everything. You are going to pretend that his team didn't have "alternate electors" lined up in multiple states despite there being no court cases going that were at all likely to change the official results. Or that in most of those cases, there was no caveat on the documents noting that they would only be valid if there was some kind of recount or something that took back the state certification of the Biden electors. Or that the plan (as outlined explicitly by Peter Navarro) was for Pence to unilaterally declare some of the state Electoral Votes for Biden invalid so that they could substitute in those alternate electors after the state legislatures (controlled by Republicans, conveniently enough) would 'investigate' and then make a fair and unbiased (of course) judgement to award them to Trump instead of Biden.
Except that Pence had told Trump that he wouldn't go along with that, so Trump naturally had to tell his supporters about that, just so that they would understand what was going to happen, not that he wanted them to do anything about it. They obviously understood that is what Trump meant, so they were just venting a little anger when they chanted "Hang Mike Pence" after that speech. Oh, and for the ones that left the speech early to get to the Capitol, Trump helpfully let them know what Pence wasn't going to do in a Tweet. And Trump clearly just didn't understand how bad things had gotten, despite talking with Kevin McCarthy and telling him that his followers were just more angry than Kevin was and that was why they had been so forceful in getting into the building and doing their Mike Pence chants.
So, sure. If none of that happened, then Trump was only a little more vocal and persistent in complaining about the results compared to Hillary and Gore. Well, except for the other facts that Hillary did actually call Trump and concede and didn't fight her loss even in court once it was certain that Trump had won. And that Gore eventually did concede once the Supreme Court ruled in Bush's favor, and he even ruled the objections by the few Democrats that did that out of order, and went on with the only duty and power of the VP in that situation, which is to preside over the process and see that the official Electoral Votes are counted. But hey, you, like Jesse, can believe the wacko arguments of a contrarian Trump supporter like Eastman that was looking for any way that they might get to stick to overrule the official results rather than basically everyone else with any expertise in constitutional law. You can buy that argument that the VP, who happened to be on the ballot himself along with Trump had some kind of unilateral authority to declare Electoral Votes invalid that were signed and certified by the people designated to do so under those states' laws and constitutions. If only Gore and Biden had thought of that in 2000 and 2016!
Poll: 28% of Democrats say U.S. better off if Trump were assassinated
How do you this gets to be a thing in society? Just from the ether? Or is it ginned up by the media marinade we all soak in?
Political figures often use heated rhetoric, make unfair comparisons, and aggressively inflate the views, statements, and character of their political enemies. This has gone on forever. Whether it exacerbates the problem of political violence is extremely unclear. Republicans once claimed to understand this, and correctly pushed back on Democrats and media figures who lazily and falsely blamed the right for inspiring the shooting of former Rep. Gabby Giffords (D–Ariz.). It's demoralizing to see Trump and Vance easily succumb to the temptation to do the exact same thing.
Soave contradicts himself. He says that it is "extremely unclear" whether heated rhetoric "exacerbates the problem of political violence." Then he makes a claim of certainty that it is "false" that Republican rhetoric inspired the shooting of Rep. Gabby Giffords. Which is it? Is it unclear whether there is a connection or is it definitely false?
I don't know whether right-wing or left-wing rhetoric is connected to political violence or whether it is even possible to know. What Soave does here is to make debatable assertions without factual support. I don't doubt that the response to any pushback that he hasn't shown that political rhetoric is as heated as it has always been will be to challenge the skeptic to provide evidence that it is worse in recent years. That would reverse the burden of proof, of course, but that is a common tactic I see. Make a dubious claim that A is true. Then demand evidence that A is false when someone questions that claim.
Regardless, the problem isn't that Trumpian rhetoric is "heated" or hyperbolic. The problem has always been portraying the opposition as an "enemy" that will "destroy the country" while simultaneously insisting that they will also commit fraud on such a scale that they could only win through fraud. That combination is not at all subtle in implying that it won't be enough to "save the country" to vote for him. His supporters also need to be prepared to continue the fight if he loses. Or, rather that if "they" say that he lost. That is exactly how thousands of his followers interpreted his words on Jan. 6, 2021.
Wait. You are too ignorant to know who Jared Loghner is? lol.
Shorter Jason: "But Trump! OrangeManBad!"
It's true that the other side increasingly talks about Trump in apocalyptic terms: a threat to democracy, fascist, Hitler, etc. But Trump's own rhetoric is often quite inflammatory.
And yet, somehow it doesn't have the Cult of MAGA climbing up on rooftops or hiding in the bushes to take shots at Not-MAGA.
Has it occurred to you, Robby, that maybe the "rhetoric" has nothing to do with it at all? That, maybe there's just something really broken with left-wing Americans? Like, in their brain? Like, maybe years and decades of indoctrination with progressive ideology has distorted their reality to such a degree that they're incapable now of understanding and accepting it in any way, shape, or form - and then lash out in anger when confronted with it?
An oft-used example is the transgender suicide rate. I mean, what do you expect. You teach people to hate themselves, and to believe that they can wish something other than it into existence - and then when it fails to be real, they go quite bonkers. And they're just one tiny facet of the leftist demographic.
It's no secret anymore than the American left has completely lost its mind. Nothing - not one single word - they say anymore is rational or objective or anywhere within the universe of truth. They have to actively deny reality at every single turn. And they have to condemn themselves and silence themselves as they live in absolute terror of the consequences of not doing so.
Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N7OnfrqnfM#t=2m29s
Of course you can expect violence from a certain segment of a population like that as a result. And it has nothing to do with rhetoric. It has to do with their minds brainwashed with unreality rebelling against reality re-asserting itself.
"Boaf sidezing intensifies"
It's true that the other side increasingly talks about Trump in apocalyptic terms: a threat to democracy, fascist, Hitler, etc. But Trump's own rhetoric is often quite inflammatory. He's called Harris a Marxist, a communist, and, for good measure, a fascist.
So, when that lunatic showed up in Ukraine with half his head painted blue and the other half yellow… do you think they asked if anyone else was coming?
One of the major media "factcheckers" debunked Trump's baseless claim that Kamala is a Marxist. They gave a long description of what Marxism is before delivering their verdict:
FALSE: Vice President Harris has not said she intends to seize the means of production.
Don't bother. The Trumpist right are in Humpty-Dumpty world where words mean what Trump says they mean.
Not surprised you didn't his sarcasm shrike.
She has said she intends to tax paper captital gains as if they are realized. So, perhaps she is not a Marxist, but she is a Left wing idiot advocating economically destructive policies.
>Trump and Vance should stop blaming Democratic rhetoric (and vice versa).
Soave, for 8 years the Democrats have been saying Trump (and conservatives in general) are not just an existential threat to America, but to human life in general (global warming, capitalism, etc).
We see Republicans attacked (Rand Paul, softball game), two attempts to kill Trump, and some whackjob arrested for fantasizing about killing the conservative wing of the USSC. That's on top of 'accidents' at Google and on social media that lead to silencing of non-left-wing voices - the 'mistakes' never go the other way.
Maybe there is something to the idea that the Democrats are sowing violence?
The reason the right think that violence is a largely Democrat/left-wing phenomenon is that they have incredibly short-term memories.
Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives.[1] In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives.[2] A recent threat assessment by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security concluded that domestic violent extremists are an acute threat and highlighted a probability that COVID-19 pandemic-related stressors, long-standing ideological grievances related to immigration, and narratives surrounding electoral fraud will continue to serve as a justification for violent actions.
https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/what-nij-research-tells-us-about-domestic-terrorism
This is the report that includes black and familial violence as right wing lol. The same group that called parents at school boards terrorists. The people who put Tulsi on the watch list.
God damn shrike. How embarrassing for you. It is like the BLM riots, all those 2020 attacks on conservatives, Palestine riots, etc never happened.
Do you ever even try to question government? This report was thoroughly mocked by people looking at the incidents.
Or maybe you forgot these orders?
https://judiciary.house.gov/media/in-the-news/whistleblowers-claim-the-fbi-is-cooking-the-books-on-domestic-extremism-data
One of the tells is your report lists all anti semetic violence as right wing. Or any hate crime. It even classified items like the last Vegas shooter (no known ideology) and the pulse night club as right wing (terrorism). Basically the report is bullshit lol.
But the best is still the black activists being labeled right wing since they were anti government. Didn't check to see if they include antifa as right wing though.
You just committed a major self-own here.
Hell, we saw the Left APPLAUD the guy who assaulted Paul. And 1/4 believe it'd be better had Trump died.
*ctrl-f baseba 0/0*
Huh...
The Democrats completely own the title of the purveyors of negative attacks where they have been attacking Trump since 2015.
While Trump is not my cup of tea and I find him guilty his fair share of verbal attacks, it is nothing in comparison with the constant onslaught he had had to endure.
The problem is that Robby is missing is that the attacks don't just come from the individual candidates, but from the entire corporate media propaganda machine who are extremely biased against Trump. The levels that Democrats, the corporate media, and operatives with the federal government employees have stooped to is astounding.
The Republican attack machine is minuscule and ineffective in comparison. As an example of the power that the Democrats have control of is a story of a Vice President with historically low approval ratings suddenly catapulted into the second coming and savior of the country.
This is not a result of a ground swell of support and a sudden stroke of brilliance being revealed by Harris. In fact she has been hiding from any meaningful interview, has a profound absence of depth, espouses incredibly vague platitudes, or utter nonsense.
Trump on the other hand was a mediocre President, but not the evil destroyer of world wreaking havoc at every turn as the corporate media propaganda machine spews. There is a lot wrong with Trump, but compared with Harris he is less of a thread and less dangerous.
As I see it if Trump wins, the corporate media propaganda machine will continue to dog him at every turn. The degree of lies and misrepresentations they will spew will continue at unprecedented levels. However is Harris wins, corporate media propaganda machine will become sycophantic lapdogs when covering her and fierce defender attacking any criticism of her or the democrat regime.
Trump is bad, Harris is much worse.
"No one has tried to kill Kamala Harris in the last couple of months, and two people now have tried to kill Donald Trump in the last couple of months," said Vance. "I think that's pretty strong evidence that the left needs to tone down the rhetoric or somebody is going to get hurt."
Can't you see that this is actually Vance suggesting that someone needs to try to kill Harris to even up the score. Hillary Clinton would have him arrested.
Killing Kamala would serve no point. The only reason she's even "the candidate" at all is because an obstinate Biden stymied the Left's ability to shoehorn in anyone else before Jill humiliated him at the debate. But Kamalamadingdong has always been a puppet. She was a puppet Veep in the first place - valued only for her gender and skin color - and now she's the replacement puppet for Tapioca Joe since they can't risk holding a vote this late in the game.
Kamala's nothing more than a sock. Put a hole in that sock, and the Left will just stick their hand in a new one.
the left, both politicians and media have literally not figuratively called for Trump to be shot and exterminated and anyone who votes for him needs to be re-educated and/or arrested. No one on the Right is saying that. Ye we know where the violence is coming from quit trying to both sides this bullshit
Democrats routinely tell people that Trump is an existential threat to our country (i.e., our country would be dead if he is elected) and then some of them went out and tried to kill him. We should blame the would be assassins, but Democrats also keep asserting that heated political rhetoric causes violence, so Trump is just throwing their claims back in their faces.
My favorite is the obligatory, "I'm glad he's safe" from the Democrats/Media.
Oh, you are huh? You're glad your existential threat to Democracy is safe? You're happy that your "literal Hitler" is still alive and breathing? Spare me.
Is Soave stupid, or just stupid? It's not the name calling that's the incitement, it's the incitement that's the incitement. Has any Republican walked around with a bloody Biden head? Has any Republican gone to a baseball game and shot congressmen? Was it a Republican who showed up armed outside Brett Kavanaugh's house? Is it Republicans who are the members of Jane's Revenge? Is it Republicans who are members of city-burning Antifa? Is it Republicans who are converting to islamism and going off to kill and rape babies?