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Secret service

Second Trump Assassination Attempt Raises Questions About Secret Service Competence

Plus: cat rumors, TikTok in court, and an earthquake

Robby Soave | 9.16.2024 9:30 AM

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The Secret Service has thwarted another assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump, though the incident is bound to raise questions about the competence of the government authorities trusted to keep politicians safe.

On Sunday, at 1:30 p.m., the former president (and current presidential candidate) was golfing at the Trump International Golf Club in West Palm Beach, Florida, when his security detail spotted a rifle in the bushes. The Secret Service opened fire, and the would-be assassin fled. He was later apprehended and identified as 57-year-old Ryan Wesley Routh.

The FBI is investigating "what appears to be an attempted assassination of former President Trump," according to Politico. This is, of course, the second attempt on Trump's life in two months. Unlike the July 13 attack in Butler, Pennsylvania—in which Trump was wounded in the ear and a bystander was killed—no one was harmed at the golf club on Sunday.

The Secret Service has been widely criticized for failing to prevent the Butler shooting. In that incident, the shooter was able to target Trump from a roof that was technically outside the Secret Service's security perimeter but well within striking distance of the candidate. Onlookers spotted the shooter first, and then a local police officer was able to engage him; warnings, however, did not reach Trump's security detail in time."

Secret Service Directory Kimberly Cheatle ultimately resigned over the agency's failures.

"A Secret Service investigation has confirmed security breakdowns that paved the way for an attempted assassination of Donald Trump, while also revealing new information—including that agents never directed local police to secure the roof of the building used by the gunman, according to two senior government officials familiar with the probe," reported The Washington Post just last week.

Given the threats to Trump's life, one might have expected him to receive additional security while out and about at his golf course. But Palm Beach County Sheriff Ric Bradshaw told reporters that the security measures taken were absolutely satisfactory because Trump is not "the sitting president."

SHERIFF ON TRUMP SECURITY: "He's not the sitting president. If he was, we would've had the entire golf course surrounded. Because he's not - the security is limited to the areas that the Secret Service deems possible." pic.twitter.com/IM35dtL5pC

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) September 15, 2024

"At this level that he is as right now, he is not the sitting president," said Bradshaw at a press conference. "If he was, we would have had this entire golf course surrounded. But because he's not, the security is limited to the areas the Secret Service deems possible. I would imagine that next time he comes to the golf course there will probably be more people around the perimeter, but the Secret Service did exactly what they should have done."

If you have concerns about the Secret Service's operations, that statement may not provide much comfort.

As for the shooter: Routh has a long history of making political statements on X. He appears to have previously supported Trump before moving towards the Democrats. In a self-published book about the Ukraine War, he wrote about visiting the country and becoming disillusioned with its chances of defeating Russia. At that time, he worked with Ukraine's International Volunteer Center to recruit U.S.-trained Afghan fighters to join the effort. In the book, he described Trump as an "idiot" and a "buffoon."

He repeatedly posted on X in support of President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris, claiming that "democracy is on the ballot." In June of 2020, he reflected on his former support for Trump, writing: "While you were my choice in 2106 [sic], I and the world hoped that president Trump would be different and better than the candidate, but we all were greatly disappointment and it seems you are getting worse and devolving. I will be glad when you gone."


Scenes from Washington, D.C.: Routh apparently visited the nation's capital last year to advocate on Ukraine's behalf. The New York Times interviewed him while he was in the city, and he posted a picture of himself in front of the Capitol on LinkedIn.


QUICK HITS

  • On CNN, Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio) defended his claims about Haitian migrants in Ohio eating people's pets.
  • But Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine, a Republican, said that the stories are "garbage" and that there are no credible reports of migrant stealing and eating pets.
  • Right-wing activist Christopher Rufo found a video of someone—not a Haitian—in a different Ohio town grilling something that might have been cats, and is treating this like some sort of victory.
  • TikTok is going to court today.
  • A 3.6 magnitude earthquake hit Malibu, California.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    The Secret Service has thwarted another assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump...

    I cry false flag, I suppose.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

      PLOT TWIST: It was the SS who set it up so they could appear valuable!

      1. Idaho-Bob   8 months ago

        "Thwarted" isn't the word I'd use for the PA attempt.

        1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

          They were thwarted alright. After they'd gone to all that effort of setting things up for the sniper too.

          1. Rob Misek   8 months ago

            No doubt the investigators will dissect this guys life, sorting out personal connections, online presence, affiliations, all records etc etc.

            Then it will all go into a cardboard box in some archive.

            Instead his entire life dissection should be made public part of a huge public database so those citizens interested could make sense of it in layman’s terms, warning signs etc. so more people could become informed and address likely candidates before the next atrocity.

            I’m sure AI would help.

            1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

              I’ll bet he’s pro Hamas, just like you.

              Have you figured out if you’re an Islamist or a neo Nazi yet? Or would you rather we sort that out after you’re locked up?

              1. Bruce Hayden   8 months ago

                Turns out, he is a pro Ukrainian Neo-Nazi.

                1. Rob Misek   8 months ago

                  I AM NOT A JEW!

        2. Chumby   8 months ago

          Marxist State Media (MSM) pounces

    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      Not much worse than what media did.

      First they claimed he wasn't targeting Trump.

      But first the funny.

      Sunny
      @sunnyright
      Donald Trump has now experienced as many assassination attempts as Kamala has experienced interviews.

      Now the media. Blaming Trumps rhetoric. Mind you this is a week after a debate where Kamala brought up all the Nazi hoaxes and called Trump a threat to America.

      Curtis Houck
      @CurtisHouck
      NBC's Lester Holt: "Today's apparent assassination attempt comes amid increasingly fierce rhetoric on the campaign trail. Mr. Trump, his running mate JD Vance continue to make baseless claims about Haitian immigrants" in Springfield, Ohio, resulting in bomb threats.

      Curtis Houck
      @CurtisHouck
      WATCH: MSNBC's Alex Witt argues *the Trump campaign* needs to turn down the rhetoric now that Donald Trump has been shot at for the second time in three months.

      "Do you expect there to be calls from within the Trump campaign to [tone it down]?"

      Elise Jordan replies she hopes Trump makes this "a unity-type" inflection point, but fears he won't do it.

      Unlimited L's
      @unlimited_ls
      JUST IN: Dem Party activist 'Rev. Dr. Jacqui Lewis' says that Donald Trump is 'exactly like Mussolini and Hitler,' calls him a 'fascist authoritarian weasel,' and claims that 'America created Nazi Germany'

      “It is outrageous, it’s horrifying, but it’s expected from a fascist authoritarian who wants to create havoc in this country, who wants to take us to Todd Nazi Germany.

      We exported racism, fascism to Nazi Germany. We exported it to South Africa

      Let’s not pretend that Donald Trump isn’t exactly like Mussolini, exactly like Hitler, he is that guy.

      Under his regime, you nice Christian, kind, loving Jewish people won’t want him. We’re not those people, and if we elect this fascist authoritarian weasel, we won’t get what we want.”

      Meanwhile sarc was here yesterday posting about conservative violence in the comments about the 2nd attempt.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        An hour after the attempt Lizzie Warren was on television warning of the dangers of Trump.

        https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4880417-warren-warns-consequences-trump-victory/

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

          To be fair to Chief Warren, Trump is a danger to her, as is anyone to the right of Bernie Sanders, critical of the left-wing police state, and prone to disruptive speech and action.

          1. Minadin   8 months ago

            Speaking of Bernie, it turns out this nutter was ALSO a Bernie Bro.

        2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          She should be locked up for winding the shooter up.

      2. Commenter_XY   8 months ago

        JesseAZ...Do you know what the woke uber-libs are probably thinking to themselves this morning: Surely, the third time is a charm.

        Never heard of two assassinations attempts in two months on a POTUS candidate before in our history.

        That PredictIt market needs to start taking bets on:
        Likelihood DJT makes it alive to election day
        Likelihood DJT takes office after winning the election

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          If you want to go back to 2015 I believe this is the 4th.

          He was attacked w knives twice on the campaign trail the first time.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

            No wonder he and Vance are standing up for Ohio’s cat population, Trump’s down to five lives at this point.

            More to the point, the reason these people keep inciting freaks to try and knock off Trump is because they're too blinkered to realize that if Trump does actually get knocked off, it's going to be go time at that point, and open season on the left and center-right who've spent the last ten years calling Trump the second coming of Hitler. I don't think these idiots realize how vulnerable they actually are if the road war does kick off.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

              Thing is, Routh seems to be far less of a typical “freak” than the last one. He seems like a hardcore Democrat neocon type from his comments and posts about Ukraine.

              1. Homer Thompson   8 months ago

                Bulwark columnist?

                1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                  Might be. As usual, Mike Benz has some of the receipts.

                  https://x.com/mikebenzcyber/status/1835470349858676831?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

                  this is military intelligence work, and the visa scam would need approval of the US State Department

        2. mamabug   8 months ago

          I thought the likelihood of the 2nd was already at zero - or did I misunderstand why the judge 'graciously' moved Trump's sentencing date to after the election?

        3. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          I think we know what the October surprise will be.

        4. markm23   8 months ago

          "Never heard of two assassinations attempts in two months on a POTUS candidate before in our history."

          There were two attempts on President Ford in 17 days, the only two women who attempted a Presidential assassination in the USA. One Manson girl, then one politically nutty FBI informant. I don't know if Ford could be considered running for reelection yet, as this was over a year before the 1976 election - but both of these attempts were with pistols at short range, and I don't know what else he had to do besides campaigning that repeatedly put him in a room with a bunch of strangers.

      3. Super Scary   8 months ago

        "Under his regime, you nice Christian, kind, loving Jewish people won’t want him."

        Christian Jewish people? What?

        1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

          The first century all over again.

      4. NoVaNick   8 months ago

        Well, in all fairness, Hitler was inspired by American progressives’ eugenics and racial purity ideas which were all the rage among the scientific and cultural elite at the time and led to the creation of planned parenthood, the Ford foundation, and Rockefeller University to name a few.

        1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

          ^THIS.
          The party of [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism] calling the opposing party Nazi's is just as ripe of self-projection as it gets.

        2. soldiermedic76   8 months ago

          Show me one proggie who isn’t a open/closet racist. I’ll wait.

        3. charliehall   8 months ago

          "American progressives’ eugenics and racial purity ideas"

          The racism of the progressive movement in the US in the early 20th century has been ignored by historians. It was progressives in Virginia who brought back the poll tax in 1902. (It had been repealed by a multiracial political movement in 1882 that was led by a former Confederate general.) The progressive Woodrow Wilson was the most racist President in US history. And Theodore Roosevelt, who didn't even hate Black people, allied with the "lily-white" movement in the South to minimize and then end Black political participation in the Republican Party.

          But there were plenty of conservatives who were every bit as racist in their policies. Presidents McKinley, Taft, and Hoover also allied with the "lily-white" movement. President Coolidge quietly sought the support from the Ku Klux Klan and got it -- Klan member Republicans were elected as Governors of Indiana and Colorado in 1924. (One of the recent MAGA lies is that the Klan was Democratic. That was mostly true in the South, but not in the North, as the Democratic Party there had too many Catholics and Jews.)

          Hitler was more inspired by the Armenian genocide, but American racism was definitely something he approved of.

          1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

            OR without sifting through an entire haystack for needles.

            There are those who support Individual Liberty and Justice for all people and those who build [WE] supremacy gangs RULE and STEAL by Gov-Guns from those 'icky' people who don't identify-as.

            With the Skin-color, gender, sexual preference, earning-status etc, etc, etc ... it's quite obvious which [R] or [D] side does the 'collectivist' gang building and which side doesn't in massive contrast.

      5. charliehall   8 months ago

        "*the Trump campaign* needs to turn down the rhetoric"

        Correct. Trump has called for the execution of Mike Pence, Gen. Milley, and the Exonerated Central Park Five. He has said that he will become a dictator and will imprison all his political opponents -- even those who simply contributed to an opponent. And he shocked, SHOCKED that there is political violence. HE is the one who started suggesting political violence!

        1. TJJ2000   8 months ago

          Are Democrats under contract to DO what Trump has said???
          I guess actions never speak louder than words at the DNC-party.
          There's far more truth there than I care to address.
          In the party where BS blabber mouthing dismisses actions every-time.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    ...the former president (and current presidential candidate) was golfing at the Trump International Golf Club in West Palm Beach, Florida, when his security detail spotted a rifle in the bushes.

    He was interrupted by another would-be assassin who wanted to play through.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    The Secret Service opened fire, and the would-be assassin fled.

    The Secret Service really should have taken their shot off the ladies tee.

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      This is the best one.

      Also the SS was never able to make a hole in one.

      1. Ersatz   8 months ago

        Both are worthy comments!
        🙂

      2. Jim Logajan   8 months ago

        Not even par for the course?

        1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

          Can I join this club?

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

            Might be a hazard.

            1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

              It’s a trap!

              1. Dillinger   8 months ago

                bogey eliminated.

                1. Commenter_XY   8 months ago

                  Lets not put the cart before the....USSS agent.

    2. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

      God damn, Fist. You're on fire today!

  4. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

    "The Secret Service has thwarted another assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump,"

    And the initial reports all tried to downplay any assassination attempt. Like "Gunshots in Trump's vicinity" and also "Two individuals were shooting at each other near Trump".

    Later now it seems the man had a scoped AK, drone, etc.

    OTOH, I'm picturing the Secret Service agents on the golf course as they appeared in "Welcome to Mooseport".

    1. Zeb   8 months ago

      I think "gunshots in his vicinity" is what the Trump campaign initially put out.
      Did the guy get any shots off? From what I've seen, seems like SS opened fire on him and he ran away before he could fire any rounds.

      1. HorseConch   8 months ago

        I though there had to be more when Secret Service posted about it on X. The two randos shooting it out near the golf course sounded out of place to any really nice golf course I have ever played.

        1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

          Augusta National isn't known for being in a good neighborhood.

          Added bonus: At Augusta, 1983, Ronald Reagan had to negotiate a hostage situation when he was golfing there. Same day as Beirut bombing of Marine base.

        2. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

          I've played some of the City of Atlanta courses like Tup Holmes and Browns Mill. Gunfire was uncommon but not unheard of.

    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

      First thought I had with those early reports was SS fucked up by shooting at a guy who was just going fishing and open carrying because they were over compensating for their earlier failure.

      But meh, initial reports tend to be full of inaccuracies. It's when a day later in the studio, they are spinning it, that gets me infuriated.

      1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

        I count shooting and missing as a failure.

        1. Bruce Hayden   8 months ago

          Maybe. But with those ballistic panels hung by his sniper nest, they may not have had a good shot, and shooting at him forced him to run.

    3. charliehall   8 months ago

      Anyone who pays attention to "initial reports" after a crime is a fool. Those with sense wait for the results of investigations. Currently the suspect is facing firearms charges. Apparently they don't have the evidence yet on whether he was actually trying to assassinate Trump. Yet. And of course most here think that there should not be any firearms charges, which would require the suspect to be released.

      1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        They’ll try to whitewash it because he was one of you. When the reality is that democrats are violent dangerous. We need to monitor you and your fellow travelers. Perhaps mandatory stay at home orders for democrats are in order.

  5. Longtobefree   8 months ago

    It's not happening.
    And that's OK.

    https://notthebee.com/article/journalist-chris-rufo-confirms-evidence-of-cats-being-grilled-and-eaten-in-ohio

    1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      Do cats taste better with catsup?

    2. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

      No widespread cat eating

      1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

        It's a good thing.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

          Decades of cheap Chinese food eaters agree.

    3. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

      "Yes, but Trump didn't have hard, notarized evidence in triplicate at the time of the debate, so he was lYinG." - Jeffsarc

      1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

        Go ahead Sarckles, call this is sTrAwMaN. I dare you.

        1. sarcasmic   8 months ago

          Go drink some more Canadian maple whine you poor, angry, little man.

          1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

            Poor sarc. Only talks about ideas.

          2. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

            Lol. You're so fucking pathetic and useless you can't even come up with an insult for me that isn't actually about you.

          3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

            Just all projection with you lately. So broken.

          4. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

            Are these the famous “ideas” you speak so often about?

          5. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

            You TDS democrats are a danger to America. You should be locked up.

          6. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

            We're supposed to ignore comments with "you" in them.

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

        Well of course it's a strawman. No one ever claimed that Trump needed "notarized evidence" in "triplicate". Just that his claims ought to be TRUE. And they are not.

        Some crazy person - who is not a migrant and not in Springfield - who *might* have been eating cats, does not justify the slander and the rumors about the migrants in Springfield who were accused of eating cats.

        But just a reminder, you are a self-admitted Trump shill so you will say whatever it takes, no matter how dishonest or disingenuous, to make Trump look good.

        1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

          Just that his claims ought to be TRUE. And they are not.

          What is your evidence?

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

            Government said it wasn't credible. So it isn't. Jeff didn't even have to ask them if they even bothered to talk to anyone.

            Same level of scrutiny does not apply to every anti trump story he has pushed for 7 years of course.

          2. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

            “What is your evidence?”

            “Top men!!!”

            Anyway, Jeffy says he doesn’t need to give evidence or tell the truth because we are all liars. And since he has declared us liars, he doesn't have to be truthful or back up his claims. It's all very convenient.

            “chemjeff radical individualist 8 mins ago
            Flag Comment Mute User
            Both you and Jesse lie about me all the time. Why shouldn’t I treat you the same way that you treat me?
            You obviously do not care about truth for its own sake. The only reason you call me a liar is the same reason that you call me a Nazi: as an exercise in name-calling. It’s not an accurate description, it’s just a weapon to be used against me.
            So why shouldn’t I play the same game with you?
            Maybe you do want to see TikTok banned. Maybe you also have sex with goats while worshipping Satan. I don’t know and I don’t care. Maybe I should just continue to repeat them over and over again until everyone believe it instead of the truth. That is the ultimate tactic of your team, isn’t it? The 2020 election was definitely stolen and the covid vaccine is far worse than the virus itself, and the ‘proof’ for these statements is that they have been repeated so often in the right-wing universe that they have achieved infallibility status. Right?
            So tell me, ML, why should I give a shit about even attempting to represent your views accurately and honestly, when you don’t lift one finger to do the same for me.”

          3. charliehall   8 months ago

            The person who made up the story has admitted that it is a lie. MAGA of course doesn't care about that.

            1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

              Give us the citation then.

            2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

              When will you admit that you’re a serial liar and you’ve been making everything up for years?

        2. TJJ2000   8 months ago

          Self-Projection display #1358274328657342905398254390.
          "so you will say whatever it takes, no matter how dishonest or disingenuous, to make Trump look good" ... change 'good' to BAD and you have the undeniable case-at-large.

          Self-projection; It's all the left sells. Day-in and day-out.
          Because the left is all about [WE] gangsters identify-as; nothing else.

        3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   8 months ago

          I know, right? It’s not like illegals are gang raping children (who are probably drunk anyway) or killing women, or terrorizing apartment buildings *as a group*. It’s just some of them, dammit!

          How many is too many, Jeff? Just give us a number.

    4. Michael Ejercito   8 months ago

      Did anyone let Jacob Sullum know?

    5. sarcasmic   8 months ago

      A year-old video of some non-Haitians in a city that’s not Springfield with what appears to be cats on the grill?

      Wow. You’ve convinced me that Trump was telling the truth when he said Haitians are stealing and eating pets in Springfield right now. So convincing. See how convinced I am? I’m really convinced. Like totally. And stuff.

      Why is it so impossible to just admit that he fell for a stupid rumor? He’s not some infallible deity, despite his followers treating him as if he was.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

        Dude, we have ample evidence Haitians sacrifice and eat animals, including cats, in Haiti. Why do you parrot the party line that somehow they magically don’t once they come here, especially in such numbers?

        1. sarcasmic   8 months ago

          Why do you blindly believe and defend anything Trump claims, sans evidence, and accuse anyone who doesn't believe without evidence of having ill intent?

          1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

            Because it’s not just trump?

          2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

            I saw and read the complaints by Springfield residents well before Trump said anything in the debate. Why do you assume I believe as blindly as you do?

            1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

              Yeah. We linked the story well before Trump said a single word. Doesn't matter to sarc.

            2. sarcasmic   8 months ago

              What complaints? It's all based upon a Facebook post.

              1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                The ones at the town hall that you've been given links to you retarded state loving retard.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                  Yes we know. Random people repeating rumors at town hall meetings constitutes iron-clad proof and a mandate for the government to 'do something' about those rumors.

                  Meanwhile, anonymous sources published by the New York Times are just lies and probably made up and should be ignored.

                  1. Zeb   8 months ago

                    It's not iron clad proof. But it also isn't nothing. The media is largely stating as fact that the claims are lies without any evidence. It may not be great evidence, but reports from locals is some kind of evidence.

                    1. Quicktown Brix   8 months ago

                      It is some kind of evidence, but is currently overwhelmed with counter-evidence. What evidence is lacking is anyone claiming they are the direct victim. We don't even have anyone coming forward with a first person witness account.

                      Then we have Rufo, which proved his organization is willing to put some leg work in confirming the rumor. He has a video of cats (?) on an open, unattended grill with no smoke in Dayton. That makes me think there is nothing to be found in Springfield. Surely they looked for it before settling for this "one migrant from a different continent had skinned cats on an unlit grill a year ago in a different city" story.

                    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                      What counter evidence? So far we simply have 2 government agencies saying claims are not true without any evidence of how they determined their claims. This is less evidence than testimony to the government, a picture, a police audio call.

                      What did the government do to satiate you against their claims against the citizen claims?

                    3. Zeb   8 months ago

                      I’m far from convinced that anyone is eating cats. I mostly am remarking on how quickly much of the press goes straight to calling controversial statements made by Trump or his supporters “lies”. Especially when they can also throw "racist" in there.

                    4. Quicktown Brix   8 months ago

                      What counter evidence?

                      The counter evidence I stated above:
                      -The missing 1st-hand accounts. Where are the people saying my cat was eaten? Why do we only have these 3rd person accounts?
                      -The fact that Rufo’s efforts turned up tangential evidence, suggests there is no direct evidence to be found. People are undoubtedly out there trying to prove it, but no one has done so with direct evidence.
                      -The fact that all the original evidence has been found to be misleading, wrong place/time/type of person with the exception of the 911 call that you posted last week. But that’s unconfirmed and the caller is not coming forward to tell his story.

                      I place no value on the government claims that it’s not happening, but that doesn’t mean the opposite is necessarily true.

                    5. Quicktown Brix   8 months ago

                      I mostly am remarking on how quickly much of the press goes straight to calling controversial statements made by Trump or his supporters “lies”.

                      Fair enough. Especially when the press repeats lies for Dems as fact.

                    6. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                      I would have to rewatch, but at the town hall I believe 2 different citizens testified to it.

                    7. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

                      "I mostly am remarking on how quickly much of the press goes straight to calling controversial statements made by Trump or his supporters “lies”. Especially when they can also throw “racist” in there."

                      Important note:

                      When it suited their needs, the MSM demanded that the lab leak was a conspiracy/lie, and the only possible truth was *checks notes*...

                      ...that these backwards people were eating wild animals.

                      Oh what a difference a couple of years (and more importantly, the narrative requirement) makes

                    8. Quicktown Brix   8 months ago

                      I would have to rewatch, but at the town hall I believe 2 different citizens testified to it.

                      Let us know please.

                      I saw at least 2 people complaining at town hall meetings, but none claimed they witnessed or were the victim. They just said it was happening.

                      Then there was the lady that found the pig head in the park…but that was probably RFK.

                    9. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

                      ""Then there was the lady that found the pig head in the park…but that was probably RFK.""

                      Anyone seen Guiliani lately?

                  2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   8 months ago

                    They probably “just” jacked off on the cat, but not *as a group*. And they probably didn’t eat it. I mean, who does that?

                    Right, Jeff?

                    1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                      So Jeffy is into bestiality now? Or so, I’m unsurprised.

              2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                I posted it here that Sunday or Monday before the debate, asshole.

                1. sarcasmic   8 months ago

                  Unsubstantiated complaints are exactly that. Find some actual evidence. Not like the stuff you use to claim the election was stolen, but actual evidence. Then I’ll change my mind. Until then all I see is a bunch of idiots doing anything they can to prove nonsense spouted by their deity in chief.

                  You need a little more than "Haitians in Haiti eat cats, therefore Haitians in Springfield are stealing pets and eating them. Q.E.D."

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                    I found video, you idiot, along with multiple complaints.

                    1. sarcasmic   8 months ago

                      The video taken not-now of non-Haitians in not-Springfield?

                    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                      Notice sarc claim it stems from a FB post when he has been given the original town hall videos multiple times. He is such a dishonest piece of shit.

                    3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                      He’s also claiming there was no election fraud when it’s proven there was. But he’s a pathological liar, and a proven life long alcoholic. So his word is rotten dogshit.

                  2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                    I guess any violence or crimes not on camera never happened right sarc.

                    Can't trust citizens at all. Only government.

                    You've really become a statist piece of shit. Lol.

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                      If a crime allegedly occurred, but there is NO EVIDENCE that this crime occurred, you are going to have a very hard time getting a conviction in a court of law.

                      The pet-eating story is a lie, started by a rumor and passed around town by rural bigoted hayseeds who found it believable because it's about "those people".

                      There are real problems in Springfield, but migrants eating pets isn't one of them.

                      The longer you all drag this out, the more energy and attention is diverted away from the real problems of that town and focused instead on trying to find "proof" that they really are eating pets.

                    2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                      Why are you so desperate to call the claims “lies”, Jeffy? Who are you fucking defending?

                    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

                      There are real problems in Springfield

                      Yeah, problems that were actually caused by DeWine, the town council, and the business owners dropping 15,000 foreigners into a small town that was in no way resourced to handle such a large number of people in such a small amount of time. “Don’t worry, we’ll think of something” seems to have been the crux of the big plan these “experts” put together.

                    4. DesigNate   8 months ago

                      But Red Rocks, it was over 2 years!

                    5. Uilleam   8 months ago

                      'There are real problems in Springfield, but migrants eating pets isn’t one of them.'

                      You mean like 20,000 illegal aliens being dropped off in a town of 40,000? You are such a disingenuous piece of crap.

                  3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                    By the way sarc. If this is your actual principle why did you believe the Steele report and every anonymously sourced story that was anti trump? Why did you believe the Trump rape accusers who not only had zero evidence but their offered evidence showed their claims not to be credible?

                    Talk about principles.

                    1. sarcasmic   8 months ago

                      Why do you still beat your wife?

                    2. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

                      Ideas!

                    3. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                      Are these the “ideas” you so famously talk about, Sarc?

                    4. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                      Notice sarc doesn't ever admit to his lack of principles, easily identifiable by his repeated public stances.

                    5. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                      Sarc, why do you lie and pretend you have an ex wife and a child? No one would ever marry you. And there’s no way you have kid. If you did, the best thing you could do for it is to kill yourself.

                      So do it, even if it’s just for the kid you’re lying about.

                  4. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

                    I thought you were arguing about how Trump's supporters only believed and propagated the story because Trump did at the debate. Commenters telling you that they propagated it days before the debate would debunk your claim. QED.

                    1. sarcasmic   8 months ago

                      I didn't say "only."

                    2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                      And yet, Sarc, that’s what you said. Are you telling us what you typed is not what you meant, again?

                    3. sarcasmic   8 months ago

                      No, shitty gaslighting boy. I did not say “only”.

                    4. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

                      "It depends on what the definition of 'is' is."

            3. DesigNate   8 months ago

              I saw the goose picture on Reddit at least a day before the debate. Possibly the weekend before.

          3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

            There is evidence just like there is for every story you run to the government narrative with.

            Your conspiracy theory is dozens of citizens are lying and the government did an exhaustive search and came up with nothing.

            Citizens can't be trusted. Only government can. Right sarc?

            1. sarcasmic   8 months ago

              Right. Everyone in government is conspiring to cover this up, just like the election. They’re all Democrats who have it out for poor, poor Trump the Victim. No proof is proof of a coverup. Sure buddy. Whatever you say.

              1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                Right. All those citizens are racists and lying in a town hall. They probably all have illegal immigrant hunter bumper stickers.

                For how many times you've been wrong pushing government narratives it is amazing not watching you learn from past idiocy.

                1. sarcasmic   8 months ago

                  I don’t consider mere accusations to be proof. Apparently you do.

                  1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                    Except for: Trump Russia, both impeachment, Trump rape accusers, soldiers are losers, ot any other anti trump narrative youve pushed….

                    I get it. Citizens can’t be trusted. Instead you tryst government despite zero evidence they even attempted to verify the claims.

                    Tall about principles.

                    1. sarcasmic   8 months ago

                      Hey, I've got an idea. Why don't you accuse me of a bunch of shit you know isn't true in an effort to paint me as a hypocrite and dodge the fact that you consider accusations to be irrefutable proof if the accusations are against dirty subhuman migrants?

                    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                      Lol.

                      Are you honestly going to lie about your past stances. Of course you are. That is the one consistent principle you have.

                    3. sarcasmic   8 months ago

                      Oh lookie. Jesse is calling me a liar because I disagree with the voices in his head. Must be a day that ends in 'y'.

                    4. Alberto Balsalm   8 months ago

                      Those citizens are passing around 'The P̶r̶o̶t̶o̶c̶o̶l̶s̶ Recipes of the Elders of Z̶i̶o̶n̶ Haiti' as proof

                    5. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                      Drunky, he calls you a liar because you’ve been caught in hundreds, possibly thousands of lies over the years.

          4. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

            Why do you blindly disbelieve and attack anything Trump says without a shred of evidence, and accuse anyone who defends him of being. ‘Trump cultist’?

            Especially since you’ve been caught in hundreds of lies and disproven hundreds more.

        2. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

          I'm no expert but I've seen interviews with credible people who state that voodoo and Santeria are widely practiced in Haiti and that animal sacrifice is common. It's always been the case that first generation immigrants bring with them the customs of the homeland some of which can be offensive to the native born. Not at all surprising that it could be happening in Springfield OH. But in typical Reason fashion the gripe seems to be that Vance is listening to his constituents instead of the local and state authorities. He admits that the pet eating aspect may be false but makes the case that a cultural upheaval in this small town is real. I don't see how he's being dishonest here.

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

            Even new York is apparently seeing the uptick in it.

          2. sarcasmic   8 months ago

            It’s always been the case that first generation immigrants bring with them the customs of the homeland some of which can be offensive to the native born. Not at all surprising that it could be happening in Springfield OH.

            Yes it’s possible. But as of yet there’s no proof. Get me some proof and I'll change my mind.

            1. Ersatz   8 months ago

              citizen reports and complaints are evidence, just maybe not proof

            2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

              No proof of enough Haitians in Ohio to disrupt native people?

            3. CountmontyC   8 months ago

              You have a mind?

            4. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

              You won’t accept any proof and you won’t change your mind.

              Open borders at any cost, right Drunky?

          3. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

            There's credible evidence that Americans love their guns so much, they murder children in schools. Now, is it really so unreasonable to think that Americans living abroad might be murderous psychopaths about to murder kids at school? I think not. I think the Prime Ministers of all the foreign countries ought to ask themselves if they really want these violent crazy Americans running around their countries murdering children.

            see how easy that is to make a false generalization??

            1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

              "There’s credible evidence that Americans love their guns so much, they murder children in schools. Now, is it really so unreasonable to think that Americans living abroad might be murderous psychopaths about to murder kids at school? "

              There is a pretty big contrast between guns available (lots) and school shootings (rare) in America and the analogy you are making to Haitian cat encounters (common) and eating of cats by Haitians (also common).

              You demonstrate again that your aptitude for analogy and verbal reasoning is below a high school freshman that hasn't taken any SAT vocab yet. Please improve, its not even fun to kick around a cripple.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                and the analogy you are making to Haitian cat encounters (common) and eating of cats by Haitians (also common).

                And you know it is common how? Because Elon Musk tweeted a video about it?

                https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-how-the-stigmatization-of-haitian-vodou-led-to-a-disinformation-campaign/a-70200764

                Cats and dogs not part of Haitian Vodou
                The campaign reached a new level when some users claimed that sacrificing animals, including cats, is a common practice in Haitian Vodou rituals.

                Elon Musk, owner of X, shared one of these videos with his 197.3 million followers. In it, a woman who claims to have a Haitian background states that sacrificing animals like cats is a common practice among Haitians, one linked to their Vodou culture. Most Haitians live in poverty, so eating cats might not be uncommon there, the user alleged.

                Numerous other videos with similar claims have also gained millions of views.

                Experts have dismissed these claims, including Dr. Ingrid Kummels, a Latin American ethnologist at Freie Universität Berlin. "Afro-Caribbean religions, including Haitian Vodou, only involve the sacrifice of animals considered edible, such as chickens and goats. Cats and dogs are not part of these practices," Kummels told DW, adding that animal sacrifices in Vodou are reserved for significant rituals.

                Dr. Grete Viddal, an independent ethnologist specializing in Caribbean Vodou culture, noted a long-standing expression about Haitians and cats. "There's an expression in Haiti about extreme poverty, saying someone is so poor they might have to eat cats. But the idea that Haitians eat cats in Vodou rituals is pure fiction. It's simply not true," she told DW.

                Just knock it off. You want it to be true so badly that you will push any anecdote or rumor that hints that it might be true. Why do you want this specific rumor to be true? Don't you think you can highlight the problems in Springfield without resorting to these types of offensive slanderous rumors?

                Or, is your real complaint about the migrants in Haiti not that they are causing some problems, but that they are even there in the first place? And that you and your team think that by villainizing and slandering them, you can convince people to run them out of town and out of the country?

                1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

                  It’s really the trunk bears that are eating the cats.

                  1. Outlaw Josey Wales   8 months ago

                    It's not a crime. No one saw the Bears climb out of the trunk, eat a pet and then crawl back into the trunk. - Chemmy

                2. sarcasmic   8 months ago

                  That doesn't further the narrative, so it must be a lie.

                3. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

                  ""But the idea that Haitians eat cats in Vodou rituals is pure fiction. It’s simply not true,” she told DW.""

                  That's probably true.

                  But some Haitians eat cats on December 24th. And I've heard perhaps on birthdays.

                  1. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

                    https://www.haitianreport.com/2019/03/does-haitian-eat-cats.html#:~:text=Contrary%20to%20popular%20beliefs%2C%20Haitians%20don%27t%20eat%20cats,old%20tradition%20started%20at%20the%20time%20of%20slavery.

                    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                      Jeff was in the thread where I posted that link.

                      It his usual intentional forgetfulness of information against his narratives. Part of his sea lion act.

                    2. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

                      Just because people do it in Haiti is not proof they are doing it here.

                      They may very well be doing it here, but unless you got some serious proof it's best not to bring up in a presidential debate. Else you end up looking stupid and missed a very good opportunity to highlight what is really happening in Springfield.

                4. DesigNate   8 months ago

                  This is like a reverse appeal to authority.

                5. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                  No Fatfuck. You’re such an open borders fanatic that you can’t allow it to be true. You treat everything like this.

                  You’re also a serial liar. Proven here hundreds of times over.

          4. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

            Exactly. Anyone who even does cursory research into Vodou (Vodoo) can find this out regarding animal sacrifices. Sarc and Jeffy are being obtuse, stupid lying assholes over it. I’d like to know why they’re so desperate to deny what can so easily be found in an intent search?

          5. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

            But in typical Reason fashion the gripe seems to be that Vance is listening to his constituents instead of the local and state authorities.

            That seems to be the crux of the Dispatch crowd's problem with it too--that he's actually taking their concerns seriously instead of telling them to shut up and don't contradict the news reports, and "Ohio is on the move, and the business owners wanted this, so you don't get a say."

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        We know sarc. Government told you it wasn't happening. That's all the proof you'll ever need. Ignore the police calls. Ignore the citizen testimony. Trust government.

        1. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

          “” Ignore the police calls.””

          Do you have any links to the police being called for people eating pets?

          All I have found is the local police saying no reports.

          https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/thousands-of-haitian-immigrants-now-in-springfield-5-takeaways-from-our-reporting/QQFDZR6JAVCBNC6TGZGAEKE2JU/

          12. Social media post about Haitians stealing and eating pets goes viral
          The Springfield Police Division said Monday morning they have received no reports related to pets being stolen and eaten.

          A social media post originally from a Springfield Facebook group went viral nationally in recent days. The original poster did not cite first-hand knowledge of an incident. Instead they claimed that their neighbor’s daughter’s friend had lost her cat and found it hanging from a branch at a Haitian neighbor’s home being carved up to be eaten.

          The poster also claimed “Rangers” and police told them that “they have been doing it” at Snyder Park, too, with ducks and geese.

          Springfield Police said they were aware of the social media post but that this was “not something that’s on our radar right now.”

          1. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

            What about that social media post from facebook?

            https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/-just-exploded-springfield-woman-says-never-meant-spark-rumors-haitian-rcna171099

          2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

            The Federalist obtained a call regarding Haitians walking down the street with geese.

    6. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

      I am still amused by how effective the pet-grilling "conspiracy" has been in deflecting attention from the actual issue: why and how have Haitian immigrants been settled in select areas, in numbers large enough to disrupt locals?

      1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

        what are you talking about? It is completely standard to snap one's fingers and cram about 25-30% of a cities population in addition, what are you some kind of racist?

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          Media is even saying this 30% growth saved the town despite all the people living there describing the chaos including a homeless director saying how gov funded rents to the migrants kicked people out of housing by tripling rents.

          1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

            Well that's 30% more food trucks and fruit picking Jesse, with no downside. I dont know how you cant see this as all profit

            1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

              If we listen to sarc, every immigrant who crosses creates their own job after all. No threat to government spending at all.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                If we listen to you, every immigrant who crosses the border immediately lies down on a couch, steals a job, and gets handed a welfare check, when they are not raping cute white coeds.

                1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                  You have bookmarks and cities for that, Jeffy?

                  1. sarcasmic   8 months ago

                    Don't confuse jeff with your loser compatriots who have enough bookmarks to build a city.

                    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                      Someone has to keep track of your lying, as you sure as hell don’t.

                    2. sarcasmic   8 months ago

                      Right. When your idiot friends cherry pick years-old comments out of context and misconstrue what was said, that’s proof that I’m the liar. Yeah. Ok bub.

                    3. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                      How is citing your very words, “cherry picking”, dingbat?

                    4. sarcasmic   8 months ago

                      You guys whine and cry about how Trump is such a poor, poor Victim when people cite his very words out of context and misconstrue what he said. You get apoplectic. “He didn’t mean that! You’re cherry picking! You took him out of context! You’re a liar! You miscontrued what he said! This is what he really meant!” Such a Victim. Poor, poor Trump.

                      Yet that's standard practice for you in these comments when it comes to people you hate.

                    5. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                      Shocking. Another strawman from sarc.

                      Of course he won't cite evidence for his assertion. But he will cry his ass off when we back up his word for word past statements.

                    6. sarcasmic   8 months ago

                      I don’t need to cite anything to show you all attack anyone who you claim cherry-picks or misconstrues what Trump the Victim says. You’re all over that like white on rice. Yet cherry-picking and misconstruing is all you do when you bring up bookmarked comments. And you deny it too? That’s like saying the sun doesn’t come up in the morning.

                    7. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                      Drunky requires proof of everything, but his drunken ravings are to be taken at face value as fact. And it doesn’t matter what he’s lied about before.

                      I wonder if Sarc is eligible for involuntary civil commitment under Maine law? He’s obviously a danger to himself and others.

                    8. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                      Your comments are reposted in their entirety Drunky. Its not our fault that you’re such a massive alcoholic that you don’t remember what you post.

                      Maybe try not being an alcoholic democrat moron anymore.

                2. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

                  Well, some of them only jerk off onto the rape victims and don't actually rape them, so they're OK (is what I'm told).

                3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                  We’re talking about illegals. Like the ten million plus that you and Biden hav imported over the last three and a half years.

      2. Eeyore   8 months ago

        It seems like some kind of sick social experiment. Maybe testing the limits of human tolerance?

        1. mad.casual   8 months ago

          It actually really, really does sound like something right out of Fallout.

      3. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

        ""I am still amused by how effective the pet-grilling “conspiracy” has been in deflecting attention from the actual issue""

        Trump should have talked about the actual issue. But in his wisdom, he has us talking about pet-grilling "conspiracy". Trump brought it up. It was a stupid thing to say in a presidential debate.

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          It is more the corpoate media using that one small story to dismiss all the other issues exposed at the town hall. A common tactic seen above w Jeff and sarc.

          1. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

            But it could not have happened if not for Trump.

            Trump's comment is why we are talking about it. Don't blame the media for rehashing it for political purposes.

            1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

              Media was on the pets debunking before Trump said a word. They got mad at a meme of trump saving animals he didn't start.

              1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                If the democrat media didn’t attack him for this it would have been something else. The problem is the democrat media, not Trump.

                Get rid of the democrat media.

          2. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

            Springfield has a solar systems worth of problems due to the migrant influx that Trump could have brought up.

            1. Commenter_XY   8 months ago

              Tend to agree....Pres Trump does it to himself. He lost the debate because he allowed himself to get flustered and distracted, instead of clinically dissecting Kamala like a fish. Kamala did nothing to win the debate.

              1. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

                Yep.

              2. DesigNate   8 months ago

                I’d argue the only people that won were the media.

                1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

                  Make that media owners (and that includes the DNC inner circle).

              3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                Polling doesn’t show the debate having an effect in any manner. In fact undecideds seemed to break Trumps way.

            2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   8 months ago

              He kinda did.

  6. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    A Secret Service investigation has confirmed security breakdowns that paved the way for an attempted assassination of Donald Trump...

    You'd think that would have been a little more widely reported, but I guess we needed to make room in the cycle for news on joy.

    1. Longtobefree   8 months ago

      More like -
      A secret service investigation has admitted to some of the more obvious mistakes in the first assassination attempt on Trump.

      1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

        A secret service investigation is trying to pretend it wasn't complicit and is blaming incompetence.

    2. Ersatz   8 months ago

      local story I guess

    3. Bruce Hayden   8 months ago

      The good thing for the Secret Service, the last time around, is that they apparently had been mostly pulled and sent elsewhere (Jill Biden making a last minute visit close by?), so they were apparently replaced with inexperienced DHS agents, some of whom had only a 2 hour Zoom call for training. The again, stone walling Congressional investigators, and hiding and destroying evidence is not a good look for them.

      Watched them up and fairly close Friday afternoon and evening, and they can be extremely thorough and professional.

  7. Longtobefree   8 months ago

    I wonder if the 'secret' service will publish a detailed comparison of the level of protection for former president Trump on a golf course and former president Obama on a golf course?

    (hint: they are quite different)

    1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

      They don't want to shoot one of them.

    2. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

      I am inclined to believe that the level of protection for Former Pres Obama was greater than Former Pres Trump, as it seems obvious to me. Do you have any sources, though, that point to that? I would love to have confirmation that the bullshit about "standard" and "appropriate" levels of protection regarding Trump are, in fact, bullshit.

  8. Longtobefree   8 months ago

    Thus endeth the coverage of the first attempt.

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      And the 2nd.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

        Third time's the charm?

  9. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    He's not the sitting president. If he was, we would've had the entire golf course surrounded.

    Or, in the case of the actual sitting president, the entire beach.

  10. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    At this level that he is as right now, he is not the sitting president.

    When the former president sits around the clubhouse, he sits around the clubhouse.

  11. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    In the book, he described Trump as an "idiot" and a "buffoon."

    The book is self published because the market is currently saturated with scholarly tomes calling him that.

  12. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

    "claiming that "democracy is on the ballot."

    I wonder if using this kind of language all the time has resulted in a situation where unhinged democrat donors think this is their only course of action left.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

      Dude, don't you understand the meaning (and free license) of "emergency"?

    2. Super Scary   8 months ago

      It's being drilled into their minds that the upcoming election has two outcomes:
      1- Trump wins, and the US destroys the world with Trumps racism
      2- Trump loses, runs a no-shit for realsies coup with military force and just establishes himself President For Life.

      In the mind of true believers, they think their only course of action to to remove the Trump factor. Obviously it's the craziest of crazies that reach this point, but it's happen twice in as many months.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

        2- Trump loses, runs a no-shit for realsies coup with military force and just establishes himself President For Life.

        Your team is trying to have it both ways here. On one hand you try to claim "Jan. 6 was no big deal, they were just tourists in the Capitol, BLM was way worse, they are political prisoners, etc., etc..." and then on the other hand, claim "Oh, these fears about Trump supporters initiating violence to try to overturn the results of an election are SO overblown!"

        And then you have commenters right here who are itching for Civil War 2 to kick off.

        so yeah I think it is reasonable to be concerned about possible violence if Trump loses the election, don't you?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

          Sure, if you will also be concerned about possible violence if Trump wins.

          1. Zeb   8 months ago

            If Trump wins, I will be surprised if there aren't riots.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

              And they’d be from the Dems. Watch Jeffy then try to claim such riots are staged and/or false.

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

                Or not really riots, but mostly peaceful and entirely justified protests. Even if people die, buildings are torched, and some purple hair types occupy the Capitol.

        2. damikesc   8 months ago

          "Your team is trying to have it both ways here. On one hand you try to claim “Jan. 6 was no big deal, they were just tourists in the Capitol, BLM was way worse, they are political prisoners, etc., etc…” and then on the other hand, claim “Oh, these fears about Trump supporters initiating violence to try to overturn the results of an election are SO overblown!”

          And then you have commenters right here who are itching for Civil War 2 to kick off.

          so yeah I think it is reasonable to be concerned about possible violence if Trump loses the election, don’t you?"

          Yup, the side whose candidate has been shot twice now is the violent side. Makes sense.

        3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          Please continue to justify the 800 convictions of citizens who the DoJ admits caused no violence. You're an authoritarian after all.

          Meanwhile keep defending conservative violence as the real threat despite the numerous times your team rioted prior cheered by your beloved democrats.

          I do love seeing you so exposed as just a bog standard Democrat who follows Katie hill and Sulu.

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

            It’s time to start locking up radical democrats. Enough is enough.

        4. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

          ""“Oh, these fears about Trump supporters initiating violence to try to overturn the results of an election are SO overblown!”""

          How many of these assassination attempts are there with Harris or Biden in the crosshairs?

          Are we talking about any violence? Or just attempted murder?

        5. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          Democrats will burn their own cities if Trump wins. So obviously you democrats are too dangerous to roam freely. We should really look at how many of you should be removed from the public space. Certainly a Sorosite, pro pedophile, child mutilation activist, such as yourself, is far too problematic to remain free.

        6. DesigNate   8 months ago

          Most of the people that mention Civil War 2.0 are making observational statements, not calling for it….

    3. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      I mean, it's okay to punch Nazis now, and everyone to the right of Liz Warren is a Nazi, so shooting Trump would be completely justified in their minds, I'm sure, since he's literally Hitler.

  13. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

    "another assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump"

    More teleprompter shrapnel, butplug?

    1. Idaho-Bob   8 months ago

      I heard this again over the weekend.

      I asked "does it matter if it was shrapnel or not?"

      The response: "Trump's lying if it was shrapnel. Oh, he never went to a hospital, so he wasn't shot."

  14. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    He repeatedly posted on X in support of President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris, claiming that "democracy is on the ballot."

    Poor Routh. He won't be in the news cycle long.

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      Per his socials he also went to Ukraine to be a freedom fighter. Awkward.

      1. Rick James   8 months ago

        Could be former commenter, Ken Schultz.

        1. Ersatz   8 months ago

          I miss his reasoned contributions. He did appear to get a bee in his bonnet near the end though.

        2. Dillinger   8 months ago

          Ken Schultz was literate.

        3. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

          That's a name I haven't seen in a long time.

        4. DesigNate   8 months ago

          He didn’t strike me as becoming a NeverTrumper, even if he vehemently disagreed about Ukraine policy.

  15. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    Routh apparently visited the nation's capital last year to advocate on Ukraine's behalf. The New York Times interviewed him while he was in the city...

    They shan't be giving him much ink now.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

      It’s very interesting so far. Several people managed to archive his FB posts and X posts before they were nuked.

      https://x.com/somebitchiiknow/status/1835452042019475835?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

  16. Yuno Hoo   8 months ago

    "At this level that he is as right now, he is not the sitting president," said Bradshaw at a press conference.

    "However, at that level that he is as potentially future, he is the sitting president."

  17. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    On CNN, Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio) defended his claims about Haitian migrants in Ohio eating people's pets.

    Quite frankly the number of institutions factchecking him with such authority on this I'm beginning to wonder if they actually are eating the dogs, eating the cats.

    1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

      This is COVID lab leak "IT CAME FROM A WET MARKET LIKE FAUCI SAID!!!! BIGOT!!!" levels of media tripping over themselves to forward the narrative.

      At this point, im going to need evidence proving it absolutely *isnt* happening, based on their collective track record

      1. Michael Ejercito   8 months ago

        Chris Rufo shared evidence on X.

        Now, maybe the cops will never find evidence to bring a particular person to court for stealing and killing cats, nevermind proof beyond a reasonable doubt being presented to a jury.

        We know enough that J.D. Vance did not make this up.

        1. HorseConch   8 months ago

          Everyone that has called him out on it has been pussyfooting around him being wrong. If he's actually wrong, wouldn't they be more emphatic. There was something oddly incredible about Muir hitting a very specific, but non-denying, fact check on it during the debate.

          1. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

            If you click on the link Suave included at the end of the Roundup, you'll see Reason's favorite, Matthew Yglesias, chiming in saying the 20,000 Haitians number is not true, made up by Trump and his allies. The responses to that X post are funny, as multiple people posted a letter by the mayor citing that number (15,000-20,000).

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

              Matty Yglesias is a retard to whom none should pay any heed towards.

        2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          Like voter fraud, it is a lie if you never actually investigate.

          1. HorseConch   8 months ago

            If you ever actually investigate, you are subverting democracy.

        3. SRG2   8 months ago

          Chris Rufo shared evidence on X.

          Someone who wasn't Haitian in somewhere that wasn't Springfield, grilling something that probably wasn't a cat. But sure, that's evidence that Trump was telling the truth.

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

            Trump couldn’t possibly be telling the truth, right Shrike?

        4. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

          ""Now, maybe the cops will never find evidence to bring a particular person to court for stealing and killing cats, nevermind proof beyond a reasonable doubt being presented to a jury.""

          When you want to make claims in a debate, it helps if the local police can back up your story.

          Exactly how did Vance come across this information?

          1. Michael Ejercito   8 months ago

            Residents were actually making claims about what they saw.

    2. A Thinking Mind   8 months ago

      The media is doing a good job of keeping people talking about this instead of Kamala's bullshit claim that women are bleeding out in parking lots because they can't get an abortion.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

        The media? It is Team Red that continues to push and defend this claim despite its obvious falseness. It's Team Red and people like Vance who continue to insist that we must talk about the issues of Springfield regardless if the cat story is true or not. It's TEAM RED that is demanding that this issue be front and center, not Kamaladingdong's lies.

        1. Dillinger   8 months ago

          ya all those team red news networks with their demanding

        2. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

          It’s Team Red and people like Vance who continue to insist that we must talk about the issues of Springfield regardless if the cat story is true or not.

          Yes, we should be talking about Springfield, regardless of the veracity of the cat story, as it's a microcosm for what the Biden/Harris admin has done to this country. 15,000-20,000 Haitian migrants flown into this country and settled into a small town, over the course of a year or two, overrunning the town's infrastructure to handle it, causing a massive drain on city services, and displacement of local Springfield tenants, is a story that should be front-and-center.

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

            20k ‘immigrants’ being forced on Springfield is a real Pedo Jeffy success story.

        3. DesigNate   8 months ago

          Vance who was asked a question by: you guessed it, the media.

    3. damikesc   8 months ago

      I would ask when the media has gone to Springfield to look into it. They have not to date that I am aware of.

  18. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    But Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine, a Republican, said that the stories are "garbage" and that there are no credible reports of migrant stealing and eating pets.

    THE DAY I BELIEVE A REPUBLICAN. The Ohio tourism board got to him.

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      There's that word credible again. The same word they used to go after Kavanaugh. With even less actual evidence.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      I doubt DeWine's got the balls to go to Springfield and tell that to the people who actually live there.

    3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      Isn’t DeWine a NeverTrumper RINO? Where does he fall in the spectrum between Romney and Liz Cheney/Chris Christie?

  19. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

    " no credible reports of migrant stealing and eating pets."

    Wait, are we talking "credible"-credible, or the version the democrats normally find acceptable? You know, the kind where a clearly biased and mentally ill woman accuses you of something 30 years later that everyone at the event says didnt happen, or the other lady saying clearly made-up stuff represented by the scumbag lawyer who was desperately getting in front of every TV camera he could to raise his profile? Because until now, I was told Kavanaugh was "credibly" accused of rape. Did I miss something? Id say we have met that standard of "credible"

    1. Michael Ejercito   8 months ago

      Very great point!

    2. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      It all [D]epends upon who is saying what.

    3. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

      I've posted this before but it explains the credibility requirements:

      For a damaging story about a Republican to be true, nothing has to be true at all.
      Third-hand hearsay about hookers and pee, a smile on a face, or a sarcastic tweet or phrase taken out of context can make even the most absurd conclusion be portrayed as fact and conveyed as truth in perpetuity.
      If the bad guy is a Republican, no proof is needed.

      For a damaging story about a Democrat to be true, DNA must be found on a blue dress.
      It’s not enough to have a witness and a victim. It’s not enough to have a computer, a cache of validated emails, thousands of affadavits signed under the threat of perjury. There must be actual DNA, videotaped evidence. If the bad guy is a Democrat, there must be Blue Dress Proof.

      What they need for the cat story is blue dress proof.

      1. Eeyore   8 months ago

        Blue dress proof is not enough, because it depends on what is is. I never had sex "with" her, because she didn't enjoy it.

      2. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

        And then the damaging story about a Democrat, with all the evidence you state, will not be "fact-checked" true, but "missing context."

      3. mad.casual   8 months ago

        Moreover, both sides:

        For a damaging story to have credibility ceded by Republicans it needs to avoid violating the laws of physics and/or logical causality. Belief begins when evidence is presented.

        Damaging stories only have credibility ceded by Democrats by accident, after forgiveness or other demands have been extorted, quietly later after the issue has been deflected, or some combination of the three. Credibility is dubiously ceded even in the face of overwhelming evidence, even when presented by their own (former) compatriots.

  20. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    Right-wing activist Christopher Rufo found a video of someone—not a Haitian—in a different Ohio town grilling something that might have been cats...

    Oh I guess all Haitians look the same. MAYBE THE BBQ'ERS IDENTIFY AS HAITIAN.

  21. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    TikTok is going to court today.

    Are there any dances I can post to help the case?

  22. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    A 3.6 magnitude earthquake hit Malibu, California.

    "Keep your ugly fuckin' goldbrickin' tectonic activity out of my beach community."

    1. Rick James   8 months ago

      He draws a lot of water in this town!

    2. Rick James   8 months ago

      He treats objects like... women, man!

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      I'm more disappointed that it wasn't a 9.0 followed by the earth opening up and swallowing it like Kamala going for her next promotion.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

        Take a look at the distribution of blue counties in California and the surface trace of the San Andreas fault. Spoiler: a near perfect correlation. A few "big ones" and the left coast paradise turns to rubble.

        (I am also now pondering if long exposure to seismic faults somehow turns people into liberals.)

    4. BYODB   8 months ago

      "Yeah, well, that's just...like...your opinion, man."

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

        About Shrike: “When he moved to Hollywood, he had to go door to door to tell everyone he was a pederast.”

    5. Eeyore   8 months ago

      Why are we even bringing up an earthquake that is less than a 6.0? Reporting on a 3.* in California is like reporting how many people took a shit this morning.

      1. soldiermedic76   8 months ago

        My thoughts exactly. When I lived in Anchorage, mostly we ignored anything less than four, hell a lot of times, you barely were aware of it, because you got used to it. Are things that different in California (I haven't lived there since I was 2, and the time I spent there in the military was generally a couple weeks, and I don't remember any earthquakes during that time)?

        1. soldiermedic76   8 months ago

          They might mention a < 4 earthquake on the evening news in Anchorage, but always in a passing by sort of way. If I remember right, small earthquakes and volcanic eruptions were part of the weather section on the evening news.

          1. Eeyore   8 months ago

            Small earthquakes in California are essentially a continuous occurrence. I only ever noticed them when in a very tall building, because of the rocking motion. I've never been right on top of a big one.

            1. soldiermedic76   8 months ago

              The same in Alaska, but about twice a year or so, one day would occur either in or very near Anchorage, and you just got used to it and really didn't even feel them. The bad thing about the Anchorage bowl though is it's basically all clay silt, and when you do have a big one it turns basically into liquid.

  23. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

    "Right-wing activist Christopher Rufo found a video of someone—not a Haitian—in a different Ohio town grilling something that might have been cats, and is treating this like some sort of victory."

    "Yes it's true, but fuck you anyway!"

    1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

      Funny that that’s the only video of kitty barbecue Robby chose to mention.
      I wonder if the others were Haitian actors paid by the Trump campaign. Jeff will know.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

        Sarc’s already in denial.

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          Well government said nuh uh which is the best type of evidence.

        2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          That’s the least of his denial issues.

    2. windycityattorney   8 months ago

      https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/jd-vance-cats-grill-chicken-ohio-b2612999.html

      Cats or whole chicken?

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

        Oh, goody! A post from a TDS-addled shit-pile!

        1. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

          He's an attorney, dontcha know.

      2. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

        Remarkably skinny drumsticks and four to a bird. What interesting "chickens".

        1. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

          Hey, he's an attorney, not a biologist.

    3. mad.casual   8 months ago

      An up-and-coming food truck artiste, what's not to celebrate?

  24. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

    If it was legal to buy cat meat, they would have to steal pets to get it!

    1. Ersatz   8 months ago

      i see what you did there you drug enthusiast you!

    2. Eeyore   8 months ago

      Cat meat is like pussy - you can eat it, but you can't legally pay for it.

  25. HorseConch   8 months ago

    Yesterday's shooter looks to be everything MSNBC has been crafting for the last 8 years. He was defending Ukraine, defending democracy, and racing down the rabbit hole of how dangerous Trump is. There's no telling how many more Ryan Rouths there are out there, but it's a big number.

    1. (Impeach Robert L. Peters) Weigel's Cock Ring   8 months ago

      The reason why the HNIC (Barack Obama) and his Deep State minions want Trump dead so desperately now is because they know if he gets back into the Oval Office they're all getting fired and they may even lose their pensions.

      I hate to say this, but they're going to keep on trying again and again and again until either he loses the election or they finally succeed if offing him, so expect plenty more attempts.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

        At this very early stage I'm thinking that the golf course dude is just an enthusiastic Democrat who wanted to finish the job. Crooks on the other hand has deep state stink all over him.

        1. HorseConch   8 months ago

          The fact that we know way more about Routh already is proof of that. There has been no curiosity of anything about Crooks.

          1. Commenter_XY   8 months ago

            Isn't that interesting? The FBI doesn't know jack-shit about Crooks.

            How about that.

            The FBI cannot be trusted. Nor can the DOJ. Or the CIA, NSA.

            1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

              The FBI wasn’t any good at catching Crooks either.

        2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

          Plausible, but Routh seems to have been involved in a lot of deep state shit from his X and FB posts.

  26. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

    How Democrats running a program to send homeless kids in school to Disney world used the money to pay for their own trips.

    https://nypost.com/2024/09/15/us-news/what-happens-in-disney-stays-in-disney-nyc-educrats-took-own-kids-to-magic-kingdom-on-trips-meant-for-homeless-students/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_source=twitter

    1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

      Im recognizing a pattern among those caught...

      1. Super Scary   8 months ago

        Yes, as expected very diverse.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

          The SF Mayor is a black woman whose sole accomplishment was to move out of 'public' housing to a rent-controlled apartment.
          Her appointments and funding choices also tend to be 'diverse':
          "Fired boss of scandal-plagued SF SAFE nonprofit charged with 34 felonies"
          https://sfstandard.com/2024/07/30/fired-boss-sf-safe-nonprofit-charged-34-felonies/
          "Embattled S.F. department head resigns under pressure after Chronicle investigation"
          https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/director-troubled-s-f-program-resigns-request-19763129.php

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

        Yeah, but bear in mind this is just par for the course with a modern managerialist government, coupled with a left-wing litigation complex dedicated to bringing a lawsuit for everything under the sun.

        California's Bullet Train. Alaska's Bridge to Nowhere. Billions sunk into "green" energy groups. $42 billion sunk into a national EV charging station network that's produced a total of four chargers. Billions of money going to NGOs that simply use the money as a slush fund for executive perks and mansions. Graft for personal enrichment by government employees on a biblical scale.

        In an environment like this, is it any wonder that guys like Milei and Bukele look like the epitome of basic competence?

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

          I mean, just look at the Janet Mello conviction--this was a GS-13 government employee who stole $100 million through a fraudulent charity scheme. In a city where that kind of salary is pretty good fucking money.

          $100 million dollars. Unbelievable. And that's just one person.

        2. Eeyore   8 months ago

          Large government projects are often just fraud with plausible deniability.

    2. HorseConch   8 months ago

      Who would have thought that a program taking homeless kids to Disney World wouldn't end well?

      1. mad.casual   8 months ago

        From 1937 to about 2014 or about 2014 onward?

  27. Chumby   8 months ago

    sarc was in Florida this past weekend?

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      He did tell everyone he sucks with guns. So maybe.

      1. Chumby   8 months ago

        The Act Blue donations, anti Russia stance, and the photos all suggested that it could be him.

        The guy’s Telegram account is still up since the administration doesn’t have full control over that platform even with Durov imprisoned.

        1. Eeyore   8 months ago

          I guess anyone planning on committing violent crimes in the future, should use telegram, just so they are not silenced.

          Why is the first thing that is always done is censoring the criminal’s social media accounts? “Who Controls the Past Controls the Future”.

      2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        Did he and Shrike meet up with some kids at Disneyworld?

    2. Its_Not_Inevitable   8 months ago

      What, no pun?

      1. Chumby   8 months ago

        Those are reserved for libertarian forums.

  28. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   8 months ago

    Even the Wall St Journal is reporting on the crazy shit in Donnie’s campaign:

    Trump Ally Laura Loomer’s Racist Comments Draw Rebuke From Graham, Greene
    Conspiracy theorist’s influence on Trump has long concerned some of the former president’s aides

    https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/trump-ally-laura-loomers-racist-comments-draw-rebuke-from-marjorie-taylor-greene-569f9396

    Loomer said Margie’s vag looked like an Arby’s Roast Beef sandwich. And apparently Loomer gave Donnie a BJ according to a GOP insider.

    Okay Peanuts – who wants in on the new Bravo series Real Housewives of MAGA? It will be fantastic. All the fucking crazies will sign up – MTG, Loomer, Boebert and her public handjobs, Melania bitching about Donnie, that Asian whore Malkin, Michele Bachmann and even SARAH PAILIN and her brood.

    Who wants to be an angel investor?

    Edit - and we are getting a post-op Kimberly Guilfoyle!

    #HollywoodRepublicanValues

    1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      WTF is wrong with you?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

        He’s a Bushpig who got shitcanned by the Open Society.

        1. Pepin the short   8 months ago

          He’s a pedophile being paid to shitpost.

          1. Eeyore   8 months ago

            Reads like a Wall Street Journal advertisement.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

          Another liberal with no useful purpose and no skills (not even at trolling).

      2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

        "WTF is wrong with you?"

        You don't have enough time.

        1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

          Seriously. Even being brief it would take a series of essays.

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

            Euthanize Shrike, along with SQRLSY.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

      Didn’t you get banned for posting links to CP here, Mr. Bushpig?

      1. Michael Ejercito   8 months ago

        Yea, he was banned.

        1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          Better he go to prison. Preferably general population.

    3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    4. Chumby   8 months ago

      Your team missed again. Chris Hansen is coming for you.

  29. Super Scary   8 months ago

    So they caught this suspected shooter alive? This dude is about to get Epsteined.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

      Yes, the would-be assassin was caught alive.

      1. Longtobefree   8 months ago

        But he hung himself in jail tomorrow.
        Sad.

        1. Super Scary   8 months ago

          And wouldn't you know it? The cameras weren't working! And we gave the guards in charge at the time 3 months of paid vacation.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

            And that was totally not Hillary coming out of the warden's office.

  30. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

    'He repeatedly posted on X in support of President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris, claiming that "democracy is on the ballot."'

    Well, "democracy" might be on the ballot, but things are too important to do democracy with the ballots.

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      Democracy is 2 wolves voting to eat the sheep. Or democrats voting to kill Trump.

      1. Chumby   8 months ago

        Democracy is jeff, Jared from Subway, Brandon, and a 12-year old boy voting on what the evening’s activities will be.

      2. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

        2 Haitians voting to eat the cat?

        1. Eeyore   8 months ago

          One cat isn't enough to feed 2 Haitians. Maybe 2 servings of broth.

    2. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

      "We cant let voting happen, we have to save democracy!"

      The democrats re: Biden's primary, Kamala's coronation, Trump in general

    3. Eeyore   8 months ago

      I know defamation is a difficult legal challenge to win, but doesn't Trump have enough to bring a suit against many major news organizations? They have constantly equated him as the worst threat to our country and democracy. They have created an environment that has put Trump's very life in danger by manipulating the opinions of their mentally ill viewer base. They have used the vaneer of opinion while presenting their hateful rhetoric as fact.

  31. Super Scary   8 months ago

    ""At this level that he is as right now, he is not the sitting president," said Bradshaw at a press conference."

    Do we even have one of those now? I know we have a sleeping one.

    1. Longtobefree   8 months ago

      Oh, yes.
      And sitting is the limit of his abilities.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

        And only available between 10 and 4, Monday through Thursday, weather permitting.

    2. I, Woodchipper   8 months ago

      what's amazing is that his x.com posts are still written in the first person. He did not write those , we know he didnt write those, they know we know he didnt write those, and yet they continue to write those.

    3. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      Oh, you said 'sitting'.

      'Cause he's crapped his pants on camera before.

  32. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

    “ABC Whistleblower’s Alleged Affidavit Surfaces: Top Claims About Harris-Trump Debate”
    […]
    Screenshots of a document, claiming to be the alleged affidavit signed by a whistleblower, surfaced on social media on Sunday. According to the images shared by several online reporters and Donald Trump supporters, Kamala Harris’ campaign ‘instructed’ the ABC News moderators to ask and avoid certain questions…”
    https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/abc-whistleblowers-alleged-affidavit-surfaces-top-claims-about-harris-trump-debate/ar-AA1qCuwR
    Old news, I guess.

    1. HorseConch   8 months ago

      I was dubious of the story when it played out for 3-4 days before being released. I saw it and questioned it. The fact that nobody has denied it has me thinking there may be some fire with this smoke.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

        If the W/B allowed a name to be used, it would certainly lend some cred.

      2. I, Woodchipper   8 months ago

        I believed it by default BEFORE the whistleblower.

        1. HorseConch   8 months ago

          Everything in it was pretty much confirmed on the broadcast, but could have been written after the broadcast. It was patently obvious that the "moderators" were actually teammates.

  33. The Mysterious Edwin Dunkel   8 months ago

    Hinkley shot Reagan to impress Jodie Foster. Did you suppose this guy wanted to impress Taylor Swift?

    In any case, some "Taylor Swift's Army" memes could be quite a bit of fun.

    1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

      https://babylonbee.com/news/taylor-swifts-jet-seen-fleeing-site-of-trump-shooting

      Taylor Swift's Jet Seen Fleeing Site Of Trump Shooting

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

        I love the Bee.

    2. Dillinger   8 months ago

      still have one JFA sticker I didn't put on anything.

  34. Rick James   8 months ago

    Trump is going to go deaf with all these loud popping noises in his vicinity.

  35. Rick James   8 months ago

    In a self-published book about the Ukraine War, he wrote about visiting the country and becoming disillusioned with its chances of defeating Russia.

    Just like the rest of the media.

    1. Rick James   8 months ago

      Routh apparently visited the nation's capital last year to advocate on Ukraine's behalf. The New York Times interviewed him while he was in the city

      That was before the New York Times had become disillusioned with its chances of defeating Russia.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

        And that was after the New York Times became disillusioned with its romance with Russia.

      2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   8 months ago

        Wow. Dudes been to Ukraine and DC?

        He’s been in more combat zones than tampon Timmy.

  36. Old Engineer   8 months ago

    People here on Reason seem to be worried about the objectivity of the media when the biggest bullshit going around concerns the accuracy of an AK-47.

    Moron Sean Hannity said that at 300 yards a kill shot with an AK-47 is a "lay up". The fact is that any unmodified AK-47 could not possibly make that shot. First, the round itself, a 7.62-39 is so slow that it falls 5 to 8 inches over 200 yards. By the time it gets into the 300-500 yard range it's fallen several feet. Second, the effective range of an unmodified AK-47 is less than 300 yards. Grouping at 100 yards is around 6 inches or so. At 300 yards, forget about it.

    Go to any NRA long range shooting contests and you will not see a single AK-47.

    But a supposed expert on Fox stated that the AK-47 is "deadly at ranges up to 1000 yards".

    The point is that the shooter's choice of rifle showed that he was an idiot regarding firearms. Possibly, he was not as grotesquely stupid as Sean Hannity but just the same, he had no idea of what he was trying to do.

    I hope that all future assassin wannabes are as inept as this one.

    1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

      I will say, when I saw AK47 my first thought was the same. Not that I want anyone killed of course, but this man made this his sole purpose, his last act on this earth (most likely), his "only shot". And you brought a fuckin AK?

      "OK, you get to choose your champion to fight for your life, and they have to beat Mike Tyson in his prime...."
      "Ummm, this guy in town, John something, he goes to the local pub and ive seen him kick serious ass in a couple bar fights"

      ...."do you want to reconsider that?"

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

        Unless Routh's strategy (or his sponsors) was to gain as much media attention as possible. Then "AK-47" sounds double extra gun scary, with a hint of international terror excitement.

        1. mad.casual   8 months ago

          Frequently, in fictional assassinations weapons like the AK-47, the SVD, or the Mosin Nagant, when used, if they aren't trying to frame Russians or 'Libyans' or as a false flag, are being used to dunk on or 'pwn' the POTUS and/or SS.

          "Look what I did with a cheap weapon and shitty spray-and-pray tactics. Imagine what someone with a real weapon and a real strategy could've done."

      2. Old Engineer   8 months ago

        That Trump is the person most likely to have threats and actual attempts on his life doesn't mean that you can exaggerate the competence of his would-be murderer.

        What is really scary is that this incompetent jackass got to within 300-500 yards of Trump. Suppose the assassin were really good with a true sniper rifle, had studied the terrain, had repeatedly practiced at several distances, had his scope calibrated for each distance, had loaded his own ammo with carefully chosen powder to produce near perfect consistency. That is the guy to fear, and that is the level that the Secret Service should be prepared for along with all the possible levels of competence between the trained assassin and the idiot with the AK-47.

        1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

          "Sean Hannity said that at 300 yards a kill shot with an AK-47 is a “lay up”"

          Agreed that statements like this are either showing:

          - you are trying to exaggerate the situation
          - you have absolutely minimal/cursory knowledge, potentially none, of firearms

          Or both. I would bet if I gave Hannity a dialed in AK with a red dot he couldn't consistently ring a 6 inch metal target at 100 yards.

          1. Old Engineer   8 months ago

            Both are probably true and I agree, Hannity couldn't make that shot 2 times out of 10.

        2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          He was present on the next hole, not the one Trump was currently golfing on. That hole would have been less than 100m from a golfer, think i red 50m on one site. The SS agent who was overseeing the hole in front of Trump was who fired at the would be assassin.

    2. Super Scary   8 months ago

      Maybe he wanted it to be a statement since it was (originally) a Russian gun?

      1. Old Engineer   8 months ago

        The he should have chosen a Mosin-Nagant. As they came off the production line, the best of these were chosen by Russian snipers during WWII. The movie, "Enemy at the Gate" showed the Russian sniper's rifle and it was a Mosin-Nagant, a bolt-action weapon originally designed in the late 19th Century and modified in 1930.

    3. Longtobefree   8 months ago

      From the completely unbiased Wikipedia (they say so, it must be true)

      Cartridge 7.62×39mm
      Action Gas-operated, long-stroke piston, closed rotating bolt
      Rate of fire Cyclic rate:
      600 rounds/min[8]
      Practical rate:
      Semi-automatic:
      40 rounds/min[8]
      Bursts/ Fully automatic:
      100 rounds/min[8]
      Muzzle velocity 715 m/s (2,350 ft/s)[8]
      Effective firing range 350 m (380 yd)[8]

      Rifle Firing mode Vertical accuracy of fire (R50) Horizontal accuracy of fire (R50)
      AK-47 (1949) semi-automatic 49 cm (19.3 in) 34 cm (13.4 in)
      AK-47 (1949) short burst 76 cm (29.9 in) 89 cm (35.0 in)

      1. HorseConch   8 months ago

        Those things are true, but it's not particularly accurate.

      2. Old Engineer   8 months ago

        That sounds completely correct. Hard mounted in the equivalent of a vice, the weapon will hit the target 50% of the time under the conditions stated assuming no wind.

    4. Bruce Hayden   8 months ago

      Someone with more expertise than I suggested that it was an SKS, modified to take AK magazines, supposedly an easy modification.

    5. mad.casual   8 months ago

      Moron Sean Hannity said that at 300 yards a kill shot with an AK-47 is a “lay up”.

      Have we considered that Sean may *really* suck at basketball?

      1. soldiermedic76   8 months ago

        Could be how I played basketball. I sucked inside the paint but outside the paint and field goal range, I actually was pretty decent. Not sure why or how.

    6. soldiermedic76   8 months ago

      An AK-47 is deadly out to a 1000 yards, doesn't mean it's accurate out to that range, but then again the AK is the epitome of a rifle designed for spray and pray (it really is, look at the Soviet Doctrine for its use, get to within 100 m before firing and then fire on fully automatic while moving, that's why the first position in a true AK is automatic, as opposed to Semi-Auto on the M-16/M-4 series rifles (and most NATO rifles period)). Put enough bullets down range and yes, you can kill someone at a 1000 yards with an AK (happened a time or two in Afghanistan). Hell, a .22 LR is lethal out to a half mile, but hardly accurate out to that range.

    7. Eeyore   8 months ago

      Being a good sniper requires patience and lots of practice with the weapon of choice.

      Neither are qualities in an individual who seeks to expedite change with violence.

    8. markm23   8 months ago

      Old Engineer is claiming that the Soviets sent their troops out with weapons that are not effective at normal engagement ranges. That is BS.
      Wikipedia says the effective range of an AK-47 is 350 meters (380 yards). Soviet doctrine was to set the sights for 300 yards and aim at the center of mass regardless of range. It might hit up to 12 inches high or low, but that's still a kill shot. And any competent shooter can compensate for a known distance by aiming higher or lower.

      However, in an assassination it's likely there are people standing in the way of a shot at the chest, and the target is likely to be wearing body armor. If I were in Trump's position, I wouldn't go out or even into a room with a window without the heaviest body armor I can stand up in. So the assassin needed to be prepared to take a head shot, and only someone who is very ignorant about guns would pick the AK-47 at 300+ yards for that. Someone like a Democrat.

      On the third hand, it's just an assumption that the guy intended to shoot from where the FBI spotted him. Get within the 140 yard range that the SS gave the first assassin, and only a shooter that hadn't practiced would have trouble hitting a head-size target with an AK-47.

  37. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

    "Struggling insurer won’t turn to parent"
    [...]
    "State Farm General, California’s largest home insurer, says it does not plan to lower executives’ pay or seek relief from its parent company even as it faces potential insolvency..."
    https://insurancenewsnet.com/oarticle/struggling-insurer-wont-turn-to-parent

    The steaming pile of lefty shit who wrote the article has absolutely no idea regarding business structure, nor any idea of the percentage of costs represented by management pay.

    1. I, Woodchipper   8 months ago

      Of course not. She is a journalist.

  38. Demosthenes of Athens   8 months ago

    I’ll post my response to a comment by “Roberta” here from the article 4 days ago about the executive efficiency board. I mentioned that I would prefer the TTB to not act efficiently and be abolished instead. I mentioned that their new proposed rule about calorie and nutrition requirements would put me out of business. Roberta asked “Why can’t I just comply with their new calorie and nutrition labeling requirements instead of going out of business?” I’ll assume the question is being asked in good faith.

    The equipment to accurately calculate nutritional information and calorie count is incredibly expensive. I run a very small wine operation, and don’t have the capital or space for such equipment. That means I would need to (like many producers do) send samples to a lab and have them run the analysis so I can put the correct data on the labels. This analysis runs $600-$800 per test from what I can find quickly, although there might be some places that do it cheaper. I am a tiny producer – sourcing and selling locally – with some batches of wine only being 2-3 cases. If I have to pay $800 (plus shipping, plus the extra 25-75 cents for printing of the new back label) I would have to raise the price of each bottle by about $20 to even come close to breaking even. My larger batches would fare better, but not by much. I know my customer’s don’t care about this information, because they already buy without it. I know for certain that my customers will probably not stick around if they have to pay $20 extra per bottle for information they do not care about.

    I presume the folks behind the push to require this are from the labs that do the testing (who stand to benefit from new customers forced by the government to buy their product) and the larger beer and wine producers who would love to put craft producers out of business.

    But yeah… it’s all about “safety” and “transparency.”

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

      "...I presume the folks behind the push to require this are from the labs that do the testing (who stand to benefit from new customers forced by the government to buy their product) and the larger beer and wine producers who would love to put craft producers out of business..."

      Have doubts about the intent; simple stupidity would be a more likely explanation.

    2. Old Engineer   8 months ago

      Ask any Progressive supporter and they will tell you that all small businesses are MAGA infestations that exploit their customers and their employees. Therefore, they need to be purged.

      Don't worry, they will provide you with a student loan so that you can learn to code and live in a subsidized 400 sq ft apartment in a high crime rate neighborhood.

    3. Roberta   8 months ago

      Heck no, you can get the calorie figures easily from standard sources. How precise did you think they're supposed to be? You think producers of grape juice measure the sugar content of each batch? They just take a standard value and ignore the fairly minuscule differences from one harvest to another.

      1. Demosthenes of Athens   8 months ago

        I do measure the sugar content of each batch. That's a significant part of winemaking. I have no idea what the vitamin/mineral content is. The ingredients would be just "wine."

        Considering I need label approval on each vintage, and each vintage varies, I presume I would need to have accurate numbers. I tend to sell out, so chances are I could just make up numbers, and have all of the bottles sold before they could audit them in any way. But if the numbers are just made up or estimated - what is the point of the label? It's not telling anyone anything. Why require it? Why make me pay for an ugly label full of bullshit?

        I don't want it. My customers don't care about it. That should be good enough. The TTB does nothing useful for producers or customers - fire the lot of them.

        1. Roberta   8 months ago

          Yes, the label is useless in cases like this. Standardized nutrition labeling came about as a compromise between those who wanted to do it and those who wanted it banned. The compromise was, OK, we’ll let you do it, as long as everyone has to do it, and all in a standard format. Some makers of alcohol beverages have wanted to do it recently, so the same compromise is coming about. You know, everything has to be either prohibited or mandatory. Overall, more people are satisfied with this being mandatory than its being prohibited.

          And yes, I’m sure you’ve been sold a bill of goods as to how exacting the measurements have to be. Think the vitamin contents of canned vegetables accurately reflect how they come out from that process? Hah!

          Not as much fun using comment threads like this as when we had e-mail list servers and other neutral forums, where topics remained open for comment forever, and anyone could start a thread or subthread. And moderation was very light.

  39. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

    "California bill mandating health warning labels on gas stove sales passes in state legislature"
    [...]
    "Gas powered stoves in California could now come with a health warning label similar to what you'd find on a pack of cigarettes or other tobacco products, according to a new proposed law in the state.
    California lawmakers passed a bill at the end of August that would make it illegal to sell a gas stove that is manufactured or sold online on or after Jan. 1, 2025, or sold in a store on or after Jan. 1, 2026, "unless the gas stove bears an adhesive label attached in a conspicuous location," according to the text of the bill. Gov. Gavin Newsom has until the end of September to sign the bill into law, NPR reported..."
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/california-bill-mandating-health-warning-labels-on-gas-stove-sales-passes-in-state-legislature/ar-AA1qE7pQ?ocid=BingNewsSerp

    Not to worry, the grease-ball will sign it.

    1. BYODB   8 months ago

      Yet another 'conspiracy theory' that's turned out to be true.

      Not that it matters since any 'warning labels' are going to be peeled off immediately after purchase. Businesses and homes that install them aren't going to leave those adhesive stickers on the front, especially if they really are 'conspicuous'.

      People who never cook don't really care if their unused stove is electric, but people who view cooking as a hobby won't be fooled.

      And for what it's worth, with restaurant prices exploding, there will probably be more cooks in the near term than there are today.

    2. I, Woodchipper   8 months ago

      The "gas stoves" are unhealthy trope is utterly false. 100% false. All you need to know about it is that the same idiots who want to shut down nuclear power plants are behind it.

      1. ravenshrike   8 months ago

        Not 100% false. In a small unventilated area not only is the CO2 buildup not great but the VOCs produced while cooking aren’t either. There’s a reason professional kitchens have fume hoods after all. However if you can crack a window while cooking the average home cook is unlikely to be significantly affected.

    3. Bruce Hayden   8 months ago

      So, what does the government in that state want people to do? Starve in the dark, waiting for their electricity to come back on? Schedule dinner based on rolling blackouts? What’s left? Wood stoves? That will go over well with the environmental nut cases in that state.

      CA already imports the bulk of its electricity, from at least a half dozen states, even as far away as MT. Biggest contributor is very likely WA, where its own environmental nut cases are trying to destroy a lot of their hydro dams, much of the power destined for CA. Meanwhile its distribution grid is deteriorating quickly, and many of the right of ways for its high voltage lines becoming overgrown and posing significant fire danger.

      1. Super Scary   8 months ago

        "So, what does the government in that state want people to do? "

        You don't need to a stove to eat bugs.

        1. Roberta   8 months ago

          Stoves eat bugs? I wonder if I can train mine to do that.

  40. Dillinger   8 months ago

    love that my first thought was anything SS does successfully is a practice run.

  41. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>"While you were my choice in 2106, I and the world hoped that president Trump would be different and better than the candidate, but we all were greatly disappointment and it seems you are getting worse and devolving. I will be glad when you gone."

    are his political posts on x this ridiculously not in English as well?

  42. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>A 3.6 magnitude earthquake hit Malibu, California.

    did anyone check on Babs?

  43. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine, a Republican, said that the stories are "garbage" and that there are no credible reports of migrant stealing and eating pets.

    the people of Ohio didn't chain DeWine to that chemical spill?

  44. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>Right-wing activist Christopher Rufo ... is treating this like some sort of victory.

    you're still "nuh-uuuuh" mad Monday morning about something T won by last Thursday afternoon

  45. sarcasmic   8 months ago

    Watched the new Beetlejuice movie this weekend. It was quite good.

    1. Super Scary   8 months ago

      It would be neat if it does so well they bring back the cartoon too. I remember watching that before seeing the movie since the movie was PG-13.

      1. sarcasmic   8 months ago

        This one is PG-13 too, which means they can use the f-bomb once. They do, then bleep it out the second time. That in itself was really funny, I thought.

        1. Super Scary   8 months ago

          Well that's fine, I'm over 13 now.

    2. Dillinger   8 months ago

      mme. dillinger is a hard pass so I'll see it when it's free

      1. sarcasmic   8 months ago

        Suit yourself, but I think this is one to see on the big screen. Don't you have some local theater that does cheap matinees?

      2. MasterThief   8 months ago

        We streamed it the other night. Both wife and I hated it. It was a jumbled mess of inconsequential stories and scenes. Just about every character was annoying or loathsome. There’s a long ass musical scene that drags on several minutes past its sell-by date. I felt like most scenes were filled with half-assed meaningless things that they just ran with. The movie might as well have been written by the worst improv group just pulling the worst ideas out of a hat submitted by a retarded audience and pushing them through.

  46. Old Engineer   8 months ago

    How long before we read this?:

    "Solar News Network Special Report

    Solar observers had determined that Trump's vile lies have provoked increased solar activity. If he isn't stopped, the sun will go Nova and destroy the earth, seven other planets and the Gates of Heaven. Will no one rid us of this Cosmic Threat?"

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

      turd will be citing that report next week.

  47. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

    I guess this is the discount (dollar store?) version of the Roundup today.

    1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      Outsourced to the low bidder.

    2. Dillinger   8 months ago

      at least it's not all in passive voice lol.

  48. I, Woodchipper   8 months ago

    The wannabe shooter was a fed. Take it to the bank.

  49. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

    The reason why it is important to defeat this cat story, is because it is part of a pattern by Team Red media and activists to try to manufacture a reality by substituting their own 'truth' for objective reality, and to create enough chaos and confusion for that substitution to stick.

    We saw this with the whole "CRT in public schools" schtick: people like Chris Rufo bragged that he was taking all of the curricular content that he thought was objectionable regarding race, and labeling it as "CRT" even if it wasn't CRT, and using that as a focal point to direct Team Red anger against. It didn't matter if much of the content had absolutely nothing to do with CRT. Because there was so much confusion about what actual CRT was, and because there were a few examples of *actual* CRT being taught in schools, Rufo and his allies were successful in labeling it ALL as "CRT" and getting it all challenged or banned even the stuff that wasn't CRT.

    It is the same with the book bans in public schools. The Team Red claim was that it was "pornography" or "sexually explicit". But there were a lot of challenged books that were not pornographic at all, they merely dealt with issues that Team Red didn't want presented in schools. But since there were a *few* books that really were objectionable, Team Red was able to label ALL of the books as "porn in schools".

    Team Red has basically been feasting on the "fallacy of composition", to try to extend the worst elements of one group as representative of the whole. And they are trying to do the same thing here. They are trying very desperately to use the fallacy of composition here, to try to plant in the public consciousness that migrants *generally* are bad people who have bad customs and do horrible things like eat cats. We can't let them get away with this trick yet again.

    1. Dillinger   8 months ago

      >>to create enough chaos and confusion for that substitution to stick.

      communism.

      1. Michael Ejercito   8 months ago

        Note that the rape apologist does not care if the story is TRUE.

    2. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

      "We saw this with the whole “CRT in public schools” schtick"

      That's ballsy of you to bring this up here, a place where you were dunked on *daily* with evidence about it, and ended up skulking away and stopped responding after you got buried so many times trying to argue it. I almost did a spit take. There have been mountains of evidence that you never responded to and dipped out. Maybe your worst showing to date. I did an IRL lol

      "It is the same with the book bans in public schools."

      100% of public schools participate in book bans. In all districts, in every city and state. The left just got mad that for once, their grooming guides didnt make the cut. Turns out it was decided that instructions and illustrations of teens blowing each other wasnt approved eductation, despite your dismay.

      1. Michael Ejercito   8 months ago

        School libraries are not stocking Playboy nor Hustler.

        What a mystery.

        1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

          Just more of that far-right censorship Lying Jeffy has been squealing about.

    3. Bruce Hayden   8 months ago

      I agree, for nice, with Chemically Dependent Jeff. It is important for rage Dems and the rest of the left to destroy the cat, dog, and duck eating meme, by any means possible. One of their larger, more vociferous, constituencies is that of childless cat ladies. How can they, dependent on their cats for emotional support, vigorously support the candidates who have been instrumental in getting these poor felines butchered, filleted, and roasted on the grill? What if it wee their dear Fluffy who was stolen, then roasted?

      On a more serious note, for many right now, the mere photo of a cute cat, will get a sizable number of voters to remember that the Biden/Harris Administration was behind importing all of these unassimilated foreigners, who don’t share our values – such as that pets are for loving, and not eating. Hence Jeff spinning like crazy to debunk or destroy this meme.

    4. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

      “The reason why it is important to defeat this cat story”

      Is because you’re a shill?
      It contradicts your narrative?
      Media Matter’s told you it was important?
      People will realize that the ABC mods were actually the ones debating Trump and should have been fact-checked too?
      I bet you have a million reasons.

      “is because it is part of a pattern by Team Red media and activists to try to manufacture a reality by substituting their own ‘truth’ for objective reality”

      Too bad the people really were eating stray cats and park geese. Somebody might have believed you… well somebody aside from Sarcasmic.

      “We saw this with the whole “CRT in public schools”

      Which is actually a thing now matter how you try and lawyer definitions. Nazi race theory with the villain swapped. Just like how Herr Jeffy likes it.

      “But there were a lot of challenged books that were not pornographic at all”

      Here’s where Jeff slyly acknowledges that he was given plenty of links to actual hardcore pornography being given to kids, while making it sound like none were. This is why I call him a monster.

      “Team Red has basically been feasting on the “fallacy of composition””

      Team Red has been pointing out the real and the obvious while Jeffy has been telling everyone not to believe their lying eyes, and inventing new meanings for words.

    5. DesigNate   8 months ago

      I don’t think anyone who says boys can transition into girls gets to have an opinion on what constitutes “objective reality”.

    6. Use the Schwartz   8 months ago

      “The reason why it is important to defeat this cat story…”

      It isn’t important, neither the story or “defeating” it. It’s electioneering bullshit that will be forgotten in a month. The October surprise this year is gonna be a doozy. I mean it HAS to be, it has to be more attention-grabbing than two assassination attempts.

  50. I, Woodchipper   8 months ago

    three separate bullet points about the cat-eating haitians controversy.

    WTF. You are not a serious person. Stick to people magazine.

  51. Liberty_Belle   8 months ago

    I'm not up on assault rifles... is it normal to try to snipe with a scope on an ak-47 ? All the rumors I've heard over the years suggests that ak's are a "fire a whole mag, reload & repeat" type of weapon. But I don't actually know.

    1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

      As mentioned above, its a terrible option. AK's are not consistently accurate at longer range. It might not be the last thing I would use, but it would be pretty far down the list

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

        That was the gun type that Garrett Foster purchased before he got ventilated.

        1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

          It's a perfectly fine weapon for what it does well, I enjoy shooting one at the range from time to time.

          Was that the soy white who brandished at somebody he didnt know in a car?

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

            Yep. The one who was talking shit about how the right would be too afraid to step to him.

            1. Liberty_Belle   8 months ago

              I thought he didn't point it at the guy ... the guy assumed he was going to point it and shot first.

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

                If you come up on someone armed and screaming at them while that person is trying to navigate through your spastic social justice mob, don't be shocked if you're considered a deadly threat.

              2. markm23   8 months ago

                Garret Foster was probably carrying the rifle with the muzzle down, but positioned to come up and shoot in under a second. If he was approaching cops as part of a group screaming threats at them, the cops would have shot him and everything near him and justified it because "they felt their lives were threatened."

      2. charliehall   8 months ago

        Correct. The AK was popular because it was reliable, unlike the M-16. Many soldiers in Vietnam cursed the M-16 (which is nothing more than the select fire version of the AR-15) because of its tendency to jam. But the M-16 and AR-15 are indeed much more accurate at longer range.

  52. Roberta   8 months ago

    What I heard about at the time that sounded important, but may have been rendered insignificant by subsequent news I don't know, was that Trump's golf trip wasn't on his public schedule, so either:

    1. he was tailed to the gold course,
    2. there's been a leak, or
    3. Trump habitually golfs there when he has a chance.

    Obviously #2 is the scariest possibility, although #1 indicates lax security. #3 says the shooter just played the odds.

    Or it might've come out that Trump's golf schedule was public knowledge after all.

    1. ducksalad   8 months ago

      4. Somebody at the golf course noticed subtle clues, like multiple carloads of stiff guys in black suits with no golf equipment, lots of people with binoculars on the course looking at the woods instead of down the fairway, regular patrons of the clubhouse getting ordered to stay away from the windows, etc., and word got out.

      I don’t mean someone at the course was a conspirator. Just wanted to impress people with “Wow! I think Trump is here!” and somehow the shooter got wind of it via social media. It's hard to have a massive security detail and secrecy of movement at the same time.

      1. Bruce Hayden   8 months ago

        Yeh. We live where Trump spent Friday night. Not his suite, of course, but halfway down the tower. Before he became the official candidate, they could kinda hide his visits until the day of. It was obvious then – they had delivered the metal detectors and x-ray machine to the lobby the night before. We saw them on the way out for a late night walk for the dog. Then there were the orange cones down the middle of the street, and the street barricades had been moved around.

        My wife knows even earlier. She knows people in his Secret Service detail, and when they show up, he is likely in a couple days. One of them she teases by asking if he is excited to see her (it’s his gun). We knew maybe 2 days before the visit this time. But his rally was well published, and this is home when he is in the area.

        Then maybe 4 hours out, Secret Service arrive in mass. Maybe 20 of them, mixed uniformed and plain clothed. The uniformed officers mostly were carrying their ballistic armor by the shoulder straps, like luggage. They are getting the metal detector and x-ray machines up and tested, and the dogs start circulating. Local police have their cars out to control traffic. We made a quick trip out at that point, so that we could miss the x-ray and metal detector testing (plus wanding and pat down – by a female – my homophobic wife requested a male).

        1. Bruce Hayden   8 months ago

          Funny story. They had at last a couple dogs. One was always out, sometimes two, circulating endlessly. Extremely well trained - they don’t even notice the other dogs, which in a pet friendly hotel says a lot. Well, one of them was very distinctive. Guy I talked to yesterday ran into that dog and his handler in a town 111 miles north of us. He asked the handler if he was Secret Service, and had been here the previous night. Why yes. How did you know? The way that your dog prances. It’s a high step prance, like you see with some horses. I had a GF that did dressage with her Ferisians. They were bred for dragging cannons, so prance like that naturally. Really sharp looking on almost black cold blooded horses. The handler responded that his dog had grown up on a horse farm, and maybe that was where he had gotten it.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      I doubt it would be public knowledge. His press detail would get a copy, as would whatever protocol and SS detail is attached to him, but it’s not something that’s typically released. All those itineraries are generally considered controlled unclassified information, meaning that they’re not automatically released to the public unless they’ve been reviewed or the itinerary has been executed.

      Yeah, maybe he’s got a pretty predictable golf schedule, but my money is on it being leaked by someone to this guy (probably some DHS bureaucrat), with the understanding that if he burns his source, they’ll kill his son or Epstein him.

      1. Commenter_XY   8 months ago

        The schedule would not be public knowledge; the USSS keeps that info.

    3. charliehall   8 months ago

      Hard to provide security for someone who repeatedly insists on going to spots where a sniper would have a clear shot. It literally would take a small army to secure something the size of an 18 hole golf course. The Secret Service only has 3,200 Special Agents and the Republicans keep trying to cut the Department of Homeland Security Budget.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        Hard to not be raped if you keep wearing skirts.

    4. markm23   8 months ago

      Trump habitually golfs. Where he was staying was public knowledge. Routh did not need a detailed schedule - and this outing wasn't scheduled, according to the SS detail's explanation of why they hadn't sent a team to begin securing the area hours in advance. But Routh must have put two and two together and went to the best nearby golf course to wait for Trump. He was concealed hours before any SS agents showed up, so if luck had been in his favor, he would not have been seen until he stuck the gun out of the bush to fire.

      The question is, why didn't the SS make the same deduction and stationd some security at the golf course as long as Trump was staying near? Either intelligence is no longer a criteria for selection of their agents and supervisors, or they just did not have the manpower for proper coverage.

  53. Uncle Jay   8 months ago

    Rourth looks exactly like all those mentally ill people on skid row.
    Maybe there's a connection here.
    At least it certainly looks like it.

  54. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

    Why wouldn't someone what to kill the literal Hitler who is going to bring the end of democracy and replace it with totalitarianism?

    Btw, Are we still doing no civility until dems elected?

  55. Michael Ejercito   8 months ago

    Here is an article aboit stochastic terrorism.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/beltway-confidential/3082351/will-left-drop-stochastic-terrorism-talk-now/

    1. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

      I'm pretty sure the answer is no. I say that because they are trying to blame team red for it.

    2. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

      Gotta love the left. The side that tells us the 1A goes too far and we should punish all sorts of speech, "you cant shout fire..." etc, is at the same time totally fine with telling people that Mitt Romney is going to put blacks back in chains, and that Trump is Hitler reincarnate, poised to end the country as we know it.

      I wonder if they have ever heard *their own* take on freedom of speech and what that entails.

      1. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

        Freedom is what the party says it is.

      2. MasterThief   8 months ago

        Interesting how all these shootings seem to be insane leftists and when the media starts having trouble keeping up the false narrative that it was a MAGA guy the story disappears. I'm still interested to hear exactly what happened with the guy Paul Pelosi got hammered with.

    3. Super Scary   8 months ago

      “Liberal journalist David Corn called Trump a “stochastic terrorist” because Trump “demonizes” his political foes, making them likely targets of political violence.”

      And yet Trump is the one people are trying to shoot. Strange.

      1. charliehall   8 months ago

        "Trump is the one people are trying to shoot."

        Trump is the one who wants to execute Mike Pence, Gen. Milley, and the Exonerated Central Park Five, one of whom is now a member of the New York City Council. If he doesn't want violence he needs to shut up himself.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

          Lipstick Milley already did a pretty bang-up job getting American troops executed in Afghanistan.

          Also, charlie, I'm glad you agree that political violence is acceptable. Hope you're ready to get after it. Oh, who am I kidding, LOL, your side sends OTHER people to get killed in your stead for the wars your start and perpetuate. You certainly won't get your own hands dirty, will you?

        2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          Even if that were true, it would involve due process. Not some dirtbag democrat committing felony murder.

          Admit it. Democrats are violent, murdering scumbags.

  56. Rick James   8 months ago

    So will the media bury this assassination story in the same grave as the first one or find a different location? Asking for a friend.

    1. Rick James   8 months ago

      "Let's move on, we've got a lot to cover here"

    2. I, Woodchipper   8 months ago

      ^yes. they are already working on it. Ask any lib you know who lives on MSM if they are aware he was recruiting americans to go fight in ukraine.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

        I initially thought he was just a whack job but as more info comes out he's looking more like a IC asset. Good buddies with Azov nazis no less. With deep ties to the deep state. Everything is already being sanitized and memory holed.

    3. Commenter_XY   8 months ago

      I just want to know if Rouse will be granted bail....asking for a female friend who like bailing losers out of jail.

      1. charliehall   8 months ago

        If they can't get evidence pretty quickly that he was actually trying to assassinate Trump, he will likely be released but his guns confiscated. The gun lobby will then go apeshit about his Second Amendment Rights being violated.

        1. Commenter_XY   8 months ago

          I think my 'bailer outer' friend was an attorney, lol. Not a good one, though.

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

            Too much word salad.

        2. Bruce Hayden   8 months ago

          I suspect that the FL authorities already have more than enough to hold him until trial. His prints are no doubt all over his rifle, sniper’s nest, Go-Pro, etc. The rifle was pointed in Trump’s direction, before the Secret Service shot at him, at which time he fled to his SUV, heading north towards (maybe) DC. Video of him running for the SUV, and supposed, by USSS drone, even leaving his sniper’s nest. Far more than is needed for probable cause to bind him over for trial. What’s he going to argue? That it wasn’t he? That’s not going to work. Too many photos of him, and there are his finger prints. That he was just trying to see Trump up close in his rifle’s scope, because he couldn’t afford binoculars? He shouldn’t have left such a social media trail then, exhibiting his hate of Trump. Yes, Facebook, etc, tried to sanitize his social media footprint, as they usually do in this sort of case. But they were too late this time - it was well archived by the public before they had a chance to do so, said public expecting them to do precisely what they did try to do.

          The Feds have him on pretty slam dunk weapons charges too - he was a felon in possession (of a firearm). How, indeed, did he get the gun in the first place? Did he lie on his background check? A couple more federal felonies. Normally, these are the types of charges that federal prosecutors tend to easily dismiss in plea bargains. Probably not here, due to the politics.

        3. Rick James   8 months ago

          CHARLIE HALL!

  57. TJJ2000   8 months ago

    Knocking off the [Na]tional So[zi]alist competitor is all about saving [OUR] democracy. right, right /s

    It floors me 1/2 the nation can support such an evil ideology/party.

  58. Uncle Jay   8 months ago

    "Second Trump Assassination Attempt Raises Questions About Secret Service Competence."

    The words "competence," "responsibility," and "accountability" should never be used in the same sentence regarding the federal government.

  59. Michael Ejercito   8 months ago

    When did he call for executing Mike Pence or the Central Park Five?

  60. AT   8 months ago

    Wait, somebody shot at him before? When did that happen? Have we gotten to the bottom of it? Why isn't there any media chatter on the subject? A presidential assassination attempt during an election year? You'd think we'd be positively buzzing across all media channels over such a thing.

    And now a secon... [REDACTED TO MEMORY HOLE].

  61. Fetterman's Hump   8 months ago

    Lawfare has failed. There is only one solution remaining.

  62. NoVaNick   8 months ago

    When will SS announce they can no longer guarantee security for Trump at golf courses or rallies so long as he is merely a candidate and not POTUS?

  63. XM   8 months ago

    Did Robby even read the Rufo twitter page that he linked? He did much more than just repost someone else's video. His team went on location to confirm details. The residents of the area told his investigative team that African migrants were grilling cats.

    Rufo even interviewed a surgeon and a chicken farmer, who both opined that the animals on the grill could not be chicken or waterfowl.

    Is this a case of "disbelieve your own eyes"? Those sure look like cats on the grill to me. "But they're not Haitians" is a case of being intentionally obtuse. It seemingly confirms allegations raised by the community (NOT Trump, Vance or right wing) about Haitians eating animals.

    Do you dismiss the allegations because you're convinced of the evidence supporting it, or because you don't WANT them to be true? Because that would conflict with your romantic view on immigration? Why do you think the residents of Springfield are lying, concocting this kind of story? Because they're all MAGA racists?

  64. DRM   8 months ago

    So, "there are no credible reports of migrant stealing and eating pets"? That's a remarkably . . . what's the word? . . . careful statement.

    There is, of course, the question of what "credible" means. I note that six years ago this very same writer, Robby Soave, personally wrote in this magazine that Christine Blasely Ford had made "a credible accusation" despite the fact that her statement was backed by no actual evidence whatsoever, was made decades after the fact, and directly contradicted the notes her therapist took about the original version of her account.

    You would think, by that standard, Rufo's combination of a video, experts saying what's on the video, and reports gathered by reporters in the field from locals, would, in fact, manage to rise to "credible", even if it's not actual proof.

    Of course, the statement is carefully attributed to Governor DeWine; Mr. Soave can disclaim that he was in any way judging the credibility of the reports. He's just telling us (in summary) what DeWine's claims, not saying whether or not we should believe DeWine. Pay no attention to the man behind the word processor.

    But setting aside the question of "credible", note that if we had absolute proof of one migrant capturing and eating feral cats, and a second migrant stealing and eating livestock, and a third stealing and killing a pet but not eating it, we still wouldn't have even one case of migrants stealing and eating pets.

  65. holmegm   8 months ago

    Baseless?

    https://www.wowt.com/2024/08/21/woman-arrested-allegedly-killing-cat-eating-it-front-neighbors/

    1. markm23   8 months ago

      Is Allexis Telia Ferrell Haitian? Is she an immigrant at all? You've confirmed nothing.

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