Trump Rambles About Immigrants Eating Pets, Forgets To Challenge Kamala Harris
At their first presidential debate, Trump repeatedly got so bogged down in bizarre claims that he failed to effectively combat a weak Harris performance.

Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump met for their first presidential debate on Tuesday night. While Harris' performance was hardly masterful, it didn't matter, as Trump was too consumed by conjecture and fake stories from social media to make an effective case for himself.
Harris had arguably the tougher job of the night—to make a positive case for her candidacy while somehow also distancing herself from the unpopular Biden administration in which she has served as vice president—and it's hard to argue that she did so effectively.
For example, on the very first question of the night, moderator David Muir asked Harris, "When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?"
Harris then gave a discursive two-minute response in which she never managed to use the word yes. Given the opportunity to make an affirmative case for President Joe Biden's administration and her role in it, Harris instead gave a meandering answer in which she touched on her upbringing and her policy proposals while never explicitly defending her record since taking office in 2021.
But instead of capitalizing on any of her stumbles, Trump proved unable to overcome his preoccupations with long-disproven claims more suited to your uncle's Facebook page than a presidential debate. Muir asked why Trump helped kill a bipartisan immigration bill earlier this year.
Biden and Harris are "allowing…millions and millions of people to come into our country, and look at what's happening to the towns all over the United States," Trump replied. "In Springfield, [Ohio,] they're eating the dogs, the people that came in; they're eating the cats. They're eating the pets of the people that live there, and this is what's happening in our country, and it's a shame."
Trump was regurgitating an allegation that Haitian immigrants in Springfield were killing and eating people's pet cats. The claim originated on social media as a third-hand account from an anonymous Facebook post but was picked up by right-wing commentators earlier this week. Even Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio), Trump's running mate, repeated the claim on X. ("It's possible, of course," Vance admitted in a later post, "that all of these rumors will turn out to be false," but nonetheless, "keep the cat memes flowing.")
The rumors did, in fact, turn out to be false, and Muir pushed back on Trump's claim: "You bring up Springfield, Ohio, and ABC News did reach out to the city manager there. He told us there had been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant community."
"Well, I've seen people on television, the people on television say, 'My dog was taken and used for food,'" Trump retorted, doubling down. "So maybe he said that, and maybe that's a good thing to say for a city manager, but the people on television say their dog was eaten by the people that went there."
For much of the time since Trump left office, there has been a surge of people crossing the U.S.-Mexico border. (In fairness, the number of crossings plummeted during the COVID-19 pandemic). Springfield, in particular, has struggled with the large number of Haitian migrants who have come to the city since 2020. Gallup polls indicate that over the same period of time, Americans have soured on immigration, with 55 percent of respondents saying in June that migration into the U.S. should be decreased.
Muir's question was a perfect opportunity for the former president to contrast himself with the Biden administration on immigration, one of Trump's favorite topics. Instead, Trump meandered through an unfounded conspiracy theory he had likely seen online and refused to back down when pressed on the specifics, a process that repeated throughout the evening.
It wasn't just that Trump lied, which is to be expected—saying that crime rates are up, when they are down, or claiming yet again that the 2020 election was stolen from him. It's that he seemed so incapable of living in reality that he couldn't even make an effective case for himself or against his opponent. And that seemed to be exactly how his opponent preferred it.
"It was clear she did not want to talk about inflation—not wanting to get drawn into a discussion about Biden's record, in contrast to her own tax plan," wrote Vox's Andrew Prokop. "Asked why she no longer supported some very progressive positions she took while running for president in 2020, she really didn't give a clear answer on why." But given Trump's tendency for incoherent rambling, she didn't have to.
"A similar back-and-forth happened time and again in the debate," noted Reason's Christian Britschgi. "Harris would offer a rudimentary defense of her record, perhaps engage in some pablum about Americans' hopes and dreams, and then bait Trump into going on extended 'too online' free association that's hard to follow for all but the most dedicated Truth Social users."
Given the weakness of the affirmative case she made for herself, the outcome was as good as Harris could have hoped for: watching, bemused, as Trump continually spun up conspiracies and tall tales that only the most perpetually "online" viewers had any hope of understanding.
In a segment on foreign policy, Muir asked about Russia's war in Ukraine, "Do you want Ukraine to win this war?" Trump replied, "I want the war to stop," before then saying, "People [are] being killed by the millions. It's the millions. It's so much worse than the numbers that you're getting, which are fake numbers."
Both the Russian and Ukrainian casualty numbers are disputed, but it's hard to see where Trump gets the idea that the casualties are in fact in "the millions," nor how he feels that he alone possesses the correct figures.
While Russia's actions in Ukraine are indefensible, there is room to criticize the way the Biden administration has provided aid in the conflict and the potential lack of effective oversight—in January, Ukrainian officials were caught embezzling $40 million of U.S.-provided aid.
Instead, Trump couldn't help but spout meandering conspiracies, getting lost in the weeds of his own bizarre claims rather than taking a swing at Harris' policy glass jaw.
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Seems like a reasonable assessment.
I’m sure any negative analysis of things related to Trump are always reasonable to you Shrike.
Pretty hard to put a positive spin on Trump's debate performance. I suppose you could argue he didn't wet his pants while on stage but that would hardly be an achievement worth noting.
He had a tough time versus the moderators. Not Harris. Outside of that, you’re just a propagandist cunt.
People who aren’t Marxist pieces of shit, like you, got to see what ABC is really all about.
"The rumors did, in fact, turn out to be false"
Did they? The press has declared a lot of 'right-wing conspiracy theories' 'debunked' the past several years, only to have them turn out to be true.
Sounds to me like the depth of the press's probing on this issue was to call the very much under-fire city administrator, who didn't exactly deny it, but only said 'we haven't seen concrete evidence'.
Are the people of Springfield, OH, suffering from sort of a mass delusion event?
https://notthebee.com/article/this-youtuber-is-on-the-ground-in-springfield-and-the-things-hes-discovering-about-the-haitian-migrant-crisis-is-unreal
I.e., because Trump has repeated a debunked claim and you can find some clown who also repeats it, lo! It must be true. Haitians seizing wild geese and crashing a lot must mean they're seizing pets.
How's the Cane Asada?
They weren't "debunked" just because MSNBC told you so, you gibbering clown.
There are videos all over Twitter of Haitians killing ducks and geese at the park and taking them home, and catching stray cats and doing the same, but they must all be deEpFakES because Joe Scarborough told you not to believe your lying eyes, right?
Note the change - it's now geese and ducks. Why didn't Trump say geese and ducks?
Further, where is that actual evidence? Easy enough to say, it hasn't been debunked, but the only hard evidence about someone catching and eating a cat in Ohio is this: https://www.whio.com/news/video-shows-an-ohio-woman-accused-killing-eating-cat-shes-not-an-immigrant/33G5VYA5XJDL5CVGB26LXYICDE/
Try harder, dipshit
Ass for me (and my infra-red midnight spy-cam), I can PERSONALLY testicularize that Camel-Toe Harris INVADED MY BACK-YARD GARDEN (uninvited needless to say!) and brutally attacked and ATE my pet carrots and my pet brussel sprouts!!!! She (and her ilk) must PAY!!!
It always included geese and ducks dumbass. You are just following what corporate media tells you.
Watch the original town hall videos which you’re too ignorant to do.
Even the memes your liberal allies cry about have ducks and geese for fucks sake.
No Shrike, you faggot child molesting clown, Yair link doesn’t disprove anything.
You really are a sniveling liar.
And a whining democrat flunky.
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2024/09/10/goose-photo-columbus-springfield-ohio-haitian-immigrant/75159844007/
The Columbus man behind a photo of a person carrying a dead goose that was spread among right-wing social media accounts this week said he now regrets taking the photo.
The man, who wished to remain anonymous, took the picture in Columbus on July 28 and decided to share it because it was not "something you see every day," he said.
He never expected it to be used as proof by right-wing figures falsely claiming that Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, are eating pets and wildlife.
"I wish I never took it, for sure. And I hate that the picture that I took is being weaponized to use against immigrants, or really, any other group. They always have to have somebody to use as a weapon. Some group to be the bad guy," he said.
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You guys will believe anything Elon Musk shovels down your throat. I got a bridge I want to sell you, too.
Democrats shamed someone who provided evidence so you believe everything is one hell of a take.
Sorry cunt but that doesn't mean anything behind it is false, just that he doesn't like the consequences of people seeing reality.
It is a different city from where Haitian migrants are and pet eating rumors are based.
Keep drinking that Kool-Aid.
https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/columbus/strange-columbus-photos-connection-to-claims-about-haitians-in-springfield/
There are videos all over Twitter of Haitians killing ducks and geese at the park and taking them home, and catching stray cats and doing the same
Share some links please.
Here’s one……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR-8ik1b7Lc
No. That's not one. And I feel bad for anyone gullible enough to fall for this.
What that video contains is the same picture of a goose carrying guy which is known to be from Columbus, not Springfield. Here's red flag 1: the video creator is either fine with lying or doing sloppy research.
It shows the same Facebook post that is proposed to have started it all. The post says a neighbor's friend's daughter's cat....Red flag 2. That has the signature of the telephone game rumor. Find me an account from the daughter, please.
Then there's people at town halls repeating this same rumor. That is only evidence they believe this, not that they saw this 1st hand.
What this video doesn't show:
Any Haitian killing an animal.
Any person giving a first hand account of seeing a pet or park bird killed.
I could easily find and post a video showing Trump is a Russian asset and I'd be rightfully attacked for believing biased, weak evidence or even lies. Why not apply that critical skepticism to this story?
No, you can’t. Stop lying. That the video doesn’t show a close up of a Haitian slicing up an animal up close just means you’re shifting the goalpost.
I’m sure no amount of evidence will be enough for you.
means you’re shifting the goalpost.
I’m sure no amount of evidence will be enough for you.
Wrong on both, but I certainly take much stronger evidence to be convinced of something than people buying this do.
If you read my posts, you'd see I asked ML to post videos after he said, " There are videos all over Twitter of Haitians killing ducks and geese at the park and taking them home, and catching stray cats and doing the same,"
Also yesterday I asked: "Do you have any reliable sources for people eating dogs, cats, ducks, geese or sea lions?...or just killing without eating."
I don't think asking for a 1st person account is too much to set as a threshold for "reliable." Goal posts in place.
Stop lying.
What lie?
Absolutely correct.
This is what happens when a nation allows the invasion of less than third world inhabitants. Haiti does not even come up to the standard of third world.
We are dealing with near savages who practice cannibalism and voodoo.
Those who allowed this will pay a heavy price.
Where did this retard "factchecker" come from?
It doesn't matter if Haitian immigrants are eating pets, livestock or wild animals or not. As LBJ said after calling a political opponent a pig-fucker "I just wanna make the sonofabitch deny it"
I, for one, DENY that JesseBahnFarter-Fuhrer is a pig-fucker!! (I personally SAW shit NOT fucking a pig!!! It was a dead shit-soaked and maggot-infested SKUNK, fer Chrissakes!!!)
Only Haitians in Springfield eat cats. There's 300,000+ in Miami and they don't eat cats and 500,000 in NYC and they don't eat cats, but in Springfield where all the yahoo live, they eat cats.
Just to be mean.
Why do we allow so many subhuman, less then third world, savages into our nation in the first place?
or a sofa humper
- again, they just want the film of him denying it, it helps propagate the lie with the faithful
Oh, wild geese? I thought it was about domestic geese, either farmed or pets, being rustled. What's wrong with eating wild geese? Here in NJ they shoot them this time of year, and I hope at least some get eaten.
From what I’ve read, they aren’t so much hunting them as going into the park, strangling one and bringing it home, allegedly.
Even at that, just like Reason's retardation about MUH OPEN BORDURZ! there are rights, limits, and regulations. Even relatively objective or libertarian-conforming ones.
I would absolutely poison every cat, raccoon, opossum and squirrel with 5 mi. of my home to death tomorrow. The problem is, they don't belong to me and are not mine to kill or do with as I please.
The natives set up that park. If they wanted the geese their it's their right to contest ownership and/or pass regulation among themselves about the community geese. If they've been housing the geese, feeding the geese, keeping predators out and someone else comes in and takes the geese, again despite Reason's retardation about MUH OPEN BORDURZ! there's an exceptionally solid case that the person has stolen the geese from them.
Reason has even, on occasion, made this argument and then some about livestock sold at auction and/or that has wandered onto public property or other private property. Even Biden himself has made the case that we have more regulations on the guns used to hunt migratory birds than we do on the weapons used to shoot children.
The selective invocation, once again, openly connotes that they don't want to protect geese or regulate guns, they just want to fuck with people they don't like. If that's natives this week in favor of immigrants and, given the exact same situation fuck immigrants in favor of natives next week... we all just have to shut up and vote for it (or just accept the common narrative that enough other people did).
Oh I totally agree, I was just pointing out they aren’t actually hunting them.
It isn't happening to it is happening and it's a good thing.
Have any of you retarded leftists actually watched the original town hall videos that started this? Looks like you just blindly repeat DNC narratives.
The town hall guy is just repeating the same rumor you are. It doesn’t add any vigor to the claim.
The most frequently cited source of the claim is an Facebook post claiming it happened to a neighbor's daughter's friend's cat.
"Some guy said" is "irrefutable evidence" in Jesse's world.
If "some guy said", Jesse is under no obligation to provide any supporting evidence. You have to prove it's untrue. And if you find the guy who took the picture and he says, "That's in Columbus, not Springfield", it's a deep state conspiracy.
Sound about right, Jesse?
You do need a hunting license for that sort of thing and even so. hunting is generally not allowed in city parks.
They're shooting wild geese in NJ? They're protected by international treaty.
https://www.fws.gov/law/migratory-bird-treaty-act-1918
Unless they're on this list:
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/04/16/2020-06782/list-of-bird-species-to-which-the-migratory-bird-treaty-act-does-not-apply
Reason: “no one is eating pets”
Reason: “why do you care that they’re eating pets?”
Reason: “Not eating pets is racist!”
Three of the many videos at the link you posted referred to local wildlife and possibly some livestock (it wasn't clear whether the pig that lost it's head was wild or livestock), not one referred to traditional pets like cats or dogs. If this is the only evidence to support Trump's claim that Haitian immigrants are eating their neighbor's pet cats, then I would say that claim is false.
But it can't be false because Trump said it! etc etc.
Or, and walk with me here bruv, it’s all the people complaining at city council meetings about some crazy shit happening in their town.
It is amazing how the leftists ignore this.
Just like I said this morning. DNC and corporate media focused on one aspect of the story to deny the town hall meeting and the fucktard dems here just repeat it blindly.
As opposed to the legions of fucktard paleocons here who think absolute specificity is required if Ds are explaining something (and any tiny deviation is proof they're lying), while completely different stories like "He said Hatians were eating pet cats, but he meant people were angry at a town hall" are rock-solid evidence of truth.
Can you people not listen to these stories and say, "Hm, that sounds kinda weird and unlikely. Maybe I should be skeptical of it."? Are you this woefully incapable of sniffing out bullshit in your daily lives?
being skeptical doesn’t justify calling the claim a lie… like the lying liars that moderated the debate wanted to make everyone believe
Bingo!
Well, at least we can all agree that dumping tens of thousands of dirt poor non English speaking foreigners in a small midwestern town and just expecting that everyone there just shut up and deal with it is kinda fucked up.
Right?
They’re only going to those meetings and saying all this because Trump! Without Trump, we would all know how wonderful and flawless democrats and their polices are.
No. They are going to the meetings because their town was overwhelmed with Haitian migrants. They have legitimate complaints that increasing a town population by something like 30 percent with people from a different culture known for poverty and crime is causing bad problems. The infrastructure, both physical ans social, is swamped. They are pissed. I'd be pissed.
But none of those people went to the town hall meeting because their pet was eaten.
And when people start complaining about pet eating, most normal minded people will tune out your whole argument because you've demonstrated yourself to believe silly things based on weak evidence.
You mean like all those silly things, like Hunter’s laptop, Trump Russia collusion, Biden’s dementia, etc.? Funny how all these things always turn out counter to the democrat media’s claims.
Yes. A critical mind would have been skeptical of all of those, although it is much harder when the media reports it as fact as is the case with those you mention.
But, of course, there were numerous complaints by the natives about actual no-shit crimes that you'll look entirely past to impugn Trump or his claims about the ills of top-down immigration policies.
Moreover, Harris equally made claims about pregnant women bleeding out in cars outside hospitals that refused to treat them, which is even less real and more egregious and illegal than Trump's claim about eating neighbors' pets, but I'm sure you're jumping all over fact checking that one out of your concern for women too aren't you?
Why don't you people just come out and say that you don't care about facts or honesty or people or individual liberty or even good intentions and that you're either just paid shills or sycophants and authoritarian sociopaths lusting for power by proxy?
But, of course, there were numerous complaints by the natives about actual no-shit crimes that you’ll look entirely past to impugn Trump or his claims about the ills of top-down immigration policies.
And there we have it. They have to continue pushing the "eating pets" story because it's "fake but accurate".
And in comes Pedo Jeffy to propagandize and lie to protect his beloved illegals.
How unsurprising.
How many is too many, Jeff?
Just give us a number.
I could have sworn I already responded to this ... or are you spouting the same crap on multiple threads ?
Jaci Statton, a 25-year-old mother of three from Oklahoma, was expecting her fourth child when she noticed she was bleeding during her third trimester. At an appointment with her OB-GYN, she learned she had a partial molar pregnancy that was non-viable and potentially cancerous.
When she tried to seek treatment for the life-threatening condition, in a state where abortions are banned, she was told by doctors to wait in the hospital parking lot until she was “bleeding out” for them to legally treat her.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/jaci-statton-oklahoma-abortion-ban-pregnancy-b2333380.html
She was bleeding out so badly she drove to a different hospital without any issue and the Biden DoJ refused to take up the case.
And the doctor said exactly what I did. You aren't bleeding to death. If you were, then we could/would treat you.
Specifically the opposite of bleeding to death in the parking lot.
I don't know what Jaci Statton's specific story is but I do know that Kamala Harris lying about it and Liberty_Belle lying about lying about lying about Harris lying about it doesn't help Jaci or Harris. Nor does it mean Trump's lie was intentional or in bad faith. Rather the opposite on both counts.
Again, Vance making comments about crazy cat ladies' policies is just rude but implying that doctors are trying to kill two people rather than save both or either is just, apparently, how crazy cat ladies generate unwavering(ly stupid) consensus among themselves.
I could have sworn I already responded to this … or are you spouting the same crap on multiple threads ?
I could swear someone pointed out your dishonesty years ago and about how you don't even read your own sources but you continue to post it don't you?
So, she wasn't bleeding and was just nauseous. And, per my statements were she bleeding the hospital would then be obligated to treat her.
But once again, demonstrate to everyone here that you don't actually care about facts or biology or women or honesty or human lives. It's all about abusing power and language in order to punish people, women, immigrants, minorities, men, children... whomever happens to refute your monstrous dishonesty and oppose your authoritarian ire today.
Once again, I kill all kinds of animals all the time. 100% premeditated. I haven practice in the off-season. Zero compunction about any of it. Even at that I don't openly lie to myself and force others to believe the lie of my 'victimhood' when DNR shows up and says "You've killed too many animals here too quickly. You either need to go to another state or exercise some self-restraint."
You aren't some crusader for women acting and engaging in good faith. You're a ghoul dishonestly lying to everyone, including yourself, openly in the hopes that you can trick enough stupid people into letting you torture anyone you consider to be better or just different than yourself.
"...that you’re either just paid shills or sycophants and authoritarian sociopaths lusting for power by proxy?"
The projection is STRONG with this one!!!
Can You tell us AGAIN why shit is that You believe that that them thar illegal sub-humans are TORTURING and DRINKING THE BLOOD OF the innocent Christian blond-eyed and blue-haired babies?!?! In Shamtanic Rituals? PLEASE, just ONE more time?
"individual liberty"
You mean like making medical decisions without the government horning in? That kind of liberty?
Yeah, like not being forced to take experimental mRNA drugs for political purposes.
Thank you. I mean, some things are just so obvious.
And are you noticing this sudden explosion of trolls since the so-called debate? Some kind of dis-harmonic alignment or something. Wouldn't it be interesting to know exactly what they are and where every penny they are receiving comes from? We could use a little more light on this subject.
Nelson is a long standing pinko here, but there have been some new ankle biters.
Only Haitians in Springfield eat cats. There's 300,000+ in Miami and they don't eat cats and 500,000 in NYC and they don't eat cats, but in Springfield where all the yahoo live, they eat cats.
Just to be mean.
Eric Boling mentioned on blondies podcast that his Haitian teammates ate cats - professional athletes of all things.
He said to the effect of - its just something they do but you dont talk about it.
As Muir stated, and Reason blindly accepted, the city manager said there were no credible reports. Sure he didn't actually investigate or would have found the police calla. But facts are facts. By which I mean most convenient bald assertion.
"Some guy said" is proof! Not finding any evidence to support what some guy said? Not relevant!
Anyone can say anything. That doesn't make it true. You understand that, right? It goes claim-> evidence-> confirmation, not claim-> confirmation.
Why aren't pets eating Haitians?
Aren't Haitians eating Haitians?
Only in a famine. Normally, Haitians eat Dominicans
Too gamey.
At this point it might just be helping trump when the same assholes who insisted that covid came from bat soup and that Brandon is as “sharp as ever” start shrieking about trump lying about something.
Of course gullible limey crackers like not shrike are easily fooled, but skepticism and cynicism is very high right now, and the MSM has earned it.
Team R: Trump won the debate, hands down! Commies have NO excuses!
Team D: Kamala won the debate; she kicks deplorables' asses!
Team L: Chase Oliver won the debate, while not even being there, by looking WAY pro-individual-freedoms compared to this clown show!
There is 911 audio of a caller from Springfield, Ohio reporting 4 Haitians, each carrying a goose by the neck you gaslighting shits.
There's video of them too.
There’s video of THE Marxist Moose-Mammary Farter-Fuhrer torturing and then EATING my Precious Hand-Reared Pet Carrots and Pet Brussel Sprouts, too!!!
You mean the one shot in Columbus?
There’s video of them too
Show us the video. You can make a total fool of me for my full day rant of not believing this evidence exists by just posting a link to that video.
Trump didn’t say anything about geese, he said Haitian immigrants are eating their neighbor’s pet cats. Is there video of that?
Don’t know about Haitians but Southeast Asians are known to eat cats, and dogs
Never order a chalupa from an Asian food truck.
So this of course dismisses the entire issue of the 20k Haitians in a city of 60k and all the town hall complaints.
You people are fucked in the head.
It's probably a vain hope, but maybe you're willing to read about what's actually happening, good and bad, in Springfirld. It's a detailed and nuanced article about how the influx of legal Hatian immigrants has impacted the city.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/haitian-immigrants-fueled-springfields-growth-now-us-presidential-debate-2024-09-11/
“…..fueled springfields growth…”
Lol. Growth in what? Soup kitchens? Tent encampments? Welfare spending? Crime? “Hey man, there’s a cottage industry sprouting up using taxpayer money to ruin this small town! It’s awesome!”
Fucking crackers just can’t do anything for themselves. Lol.
IF ye ask POLITELY, the Lizard People will provide you your video of that!
There is a 911 call. It is evidence, but weak evidence. No one was apprehended by police. There was no verification that actual Haitians or geese were involved. So was it a mistake or hoax by someone familiar with this story?
As I recall there is a notorious prank caller in Springfield... Is there a Butz here? Seymour Butz? Hey everybody, I want a Seymour Butz.
Was this a Trump dogwhistle to childless cat ladies?
It’s 4d chess to get them to turn their backs on Democrat immigration policy?
Nice.
President Trump scored an 'own goal' last evening. He lost the debate, VP Harris did not win the debate. The man did it to himself. He allowed himself to get baited into bullshit, and was totally unfocused. And he knows better.
I don't know whether he does know better, but basically, yes. Forced error, not unforced, though, as when an own goal comes from attacking pressure.
It was a standard Trump performance, I don’t think anyone expected more or less. I doubt it will change the election outcome
Once again, is this not you agreeing ahead of time that the debate's outcome had already been decided without regard to whether Trump would score an 'own goal' or not?
It just seems like one of those weird mental tricks where women convince themselves they did well on their shopping trip by spending no more than the amount of their husband's money they agreed to spend themselves but that they know they can 'make up' to their husbands.
I mean in reality, it's terribly insulting that with moderating in her favor 8-0 Harris *still* didn't win on her merits and had to rely on an own goal to achieve the, supposedly, fixed outcome. And that, again, with the fixed outcome the whole thing amounted to little more than a pat on the head with a "Good job, Princess." from the people who already favored her anyway.
But if you want to continue to pretend that it was some sort of unbridled, joyous win and that the electorate invariably loves each and every last one of you... uh... sure I guess.
mad, there is no 'winner' in the debate, there is however, a perceived loser of the debate. He did this to himself.
Perceived not by voters but by corporate media. Posted 4 examples in a different thread. NYT just below as one linked here.
Uh, even the Fox News panel overwhelmingly said Trump lost. And it looked like it physically hurt at least one of them to say so.
You can't have your opponent open by saying, "Tonight you will see a rambling, angry, grievance-filled old President lie to you", then proceed to be a rambling, angry, grievance-filled old President who lies to them and expect voters won't notice. He just proved to America that 1) he's exactly what she said he is and 2) he is so simple to manipulate that he would be putty in someone like Putin's more-capable hands.
Trump beat Harris, but lost to the ‘moderators’ who continually attacked him,
Like the democrat media would ever have called Trump the winner.
mad, there is no ‘winner’ in the debate, there is however, a perceived loser of the debate. He did this to himself.
So then you disagree with your previous self and Sandra that the outcome was fixed?
Or, again, is this the same stupid “I can read tea leaves and the they tell me Trump lost and that I’m going to marry a handsome, athletic doctor.” idiocy?
I mean, even by Sandra’s stupid “The stock market could go up, unless sellers revolt, then it could go down, unless it stays the same.” 12D-chess schtick there’s an overt case to be made that the media wants it to be 49.9 v. 50.1 so that, come election night, they say that we might not know for weeks, then declare a winner by the next morning, be pumping out “No standing/moot point.” and “Not enough fraud to significantly affect the outcome.” by noon the next day, and “How We Fortified The Election” articles within the week/month. And you don’t have to be a fan of Trump to be appalled at the irrational cognitive dissonance that contributes to it.
Even the NYT and Reuters say media pundits and voters disagree.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/11/us/politics/undecided-voters-react-debate.html
Not really what it said, except for one person, but a good article nonetheless. I like that they have a large number of undecided voters that they have been following for months, rather than hastily assembling a panel.
I have seen pretty convincing evidence that Haitians in Springfield are in fact slaughtering wild animals. Don't know about domestic pets. But the fact is that the Biden regime has imported 20,000 immigrants into a small town of 60,000. That's the real scandal here and Trump blew his chance to point it out to millions of voters by dissembling into something that most people are unaware of. When Trump made his economic policy speech last week he was calm serious and presidential. If the same Trump had shown up for the debate even CNN would have to declare him the winner. Unfortunately it was the other Trump that showed up.
But the fact is that the Biden regime has imported 20,000 immigrants into a small town of 60,000. That’s the real scandal here and Trump blew his chance to point it out to millions of voters by dissembling into something that most people are unaware of.
But that is Trump's way of "pointing it out", by accusing them of eating pets. This is EXACTLY WHY he is so anti-immigrant, because he REALLY DOES THINK that they come here and are rapists and murderers, or they are cannibals a la Hannibal Lecter, or they eat pets. He genuinely thinks they are inferior people. There really is no other way that that discussion could have gone from Trump's POV.
Trump likes immigrants just fine. He’s not fond of illegals though. None of us are except leftist filth like you, Sarc and the other pedophile.
What evidence ? Let's hear it.
Only if you show me on the doll where Musk touched you.
Lol
Okay, that's funny.
The town hall video..
The town hall where people claimed unsubstantiated things that, when they were looked into, turned out to be baseless? That town hall video?
Do you have video of their claims being proved ‘baseless’? And I don’t mean democrat media declaring it so.
Not that a democrat creature, such as yourself, has any understanding of the truth.
“But the fact is that the Biden regime has imported 20,000 immigrants into a small town of 60,000.”
The Hatuans are immigrants, so the Biden Administration didn’t do anything. They chose to go to Springfield. You should read the Reuters article. It’s quite good.
“Unfortunately it was the other Trump that showed up.”
You mean the normal Trump? He hasn’t managed Presidential for any extended length of time, ever.
At least he isn’t a drooling senile vegetable, or a cackling retard.
It’s bizarre to watch your kind, you say such bullshit, but then hold your Marxist masters to no standard whatsoever.
Whether the dogs and cats story is true or not, who cares? It's a minuscule matter, but one that, because he's a pet lover I guess, Trump thinks will make a much bigger impression with voters than the rest of us do. So it seems we can often make a much better case for electing Trump than Trump can himself.
But he doesn't have to make the case. There's practically nobody left to persuade. We've actually experienced 4 years of president Trump, and then 4 years of a non-president with VP Harris and whoever their handlers have been.
Yes, He has 4 years of what was, until covid, a pretty good presidency. She has…joy?
Joy, unburdened by what has been before?
Thanks to reproductive freedom.
Let’s look at things.
I, like most investors, am doing great in the market. The S&P is up 16.4% this year, so anyone who is invested, even the most basic index fund, has done great.
Unemployment is low, the recession that everyone was predicting was avoided through strategic interest rate hikes, and average wage growth is 2% above inflation, nationally.
The interest rate hikes have hurt homebuyers, but with inflation under control they will be coming down. Deflation is never going to happen, nor would we want it to (if you don’t understand why, look it up). People have more buying power than before the pandemic and those wage gains will remain as inflation recedes.
What part of the macroeconomic picture is so awful? Trump’s economy was meh, except for the stock market. That was fueled by corporate tax breaks that companies used to buy back shares, increasing sharhokder value for those who can afford to be in the stock market. But wages were largely stagnant and buying power at the beginning of the pandemic was about the same as it was when he took office.
Trump’s economy wasn’t bad, but it was nothing to write home about unless you were in the investor class.
Only a soulless retarded democrat shill like you can spew such distorted drivel.
"Whether the dogs and cats story is true or not, who cares? "
Republicans, obviously.
Because intead of talking about the *real* problems and issues in Springfield, they've turned an unsubstantiated rumor into national news being pushed by the top of their ticket.
Or to put it another way... the only reason we're talking about the culinary habits of Haitians is becuase JD Vance posted a racist meme. If he had instead posted about the *actual* problems of Springfield, we wouldn't be here.
So to answer your question... Republicans, specifically Republicans at the top of the Republican ticket, care mroe about spreading a lie then talking about the truth.
Now can we agree that Trump is unfit for office? I cant see how anyone watching last night could still support him. He said nothing of substance and spent the time rambling and lying.
Piss off.
(Is that what you were hoping for?)
Shut up, you prissy douchebag.
‘Unfit’…….
A subjective term. Tell me bitch, from a relative perspective, how ‘unfit’ is that retarded cackling cunt Kamala?
"20,000 Haitian refuges arrived in Springfield, Ohio, and are eating ducks."
The important part of this sentence is not the ducks.
That’s true, but why do you think people are talking about it?
Seems to be a failure of cultural assimilation. Snatching geese out of public parks is off putting to some of the native born. They would prefer an effort at cultural appropriation on the part of their new Haitian neighbors.
There are no illegal geese. Just migratory birds that are protected by treaty that the people who crossed into this country illegally are killing and eating as a second criminal act.
Remember when Biden said we have more laws regulating the firearms used to hunt birds than we do to protect children?
I guess the message was that we were being pointlessly stringent trying to protect children from illegal immigrants.
You know they aren't illegal immigrants, right? And that there are 12,000-15,000, not 20,000? And that they weren't just dropped in all at once, but arrived over several years? And that the Biden Administration didn't put them all there? And that the goose picture was from Columbus, not Springfield?
Other than that ... well, this might help you understand better, assuming you prefer facts
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/haitian-immigrants-fueled-springfields-growth-now-us-presidential-debate-2024-09-11/
You’re a democrat. Facts elude you, am dare beyond your understanding.
Lemme guess, the point wasn’t whether we were or weren’t doing enough to protect children (or the elderly or people) from criminals, the point was about the weight ratios and whether a European Swallow can carry a coconut.
It’s always some tortured bullshit to falsely make their point. Pedo Jeffy excels at that.
JD Vance.
Blah blah blah. As if it matters what happened in the "debate".
Just say you're gonna vote - reluctantly and strategically - for a commie Kamala and be done with it.
I favor reluctantly amd strategically locking up all the Marxists.
Never has "Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dummer" been a more appropriate descriptive epithet!
This is the TDS stricken clown world we live in.
Does the TDS crowd realize that "Haha, they're only killing and eating geese, not your pets" is not some dunk on Trump they think it is? Sort of like if the lefty conspiracy theory of Hamas not raping women and putting babies in oven were true, they STILL killed over a thousand people?
Let me say that again, because we live in clown world. They're beheading and eating geese. That's called animal cruelty. If a guy with a MAGA hat did this, polite society would losing their freaking minds. They would have no issue holding an entire group of people and ideology collectively responsible.
But some loons eating geese at a park is ultimately not the issue. That's merely a symptom of a larger problem - the government dropping off a legion of unverified foreigners into towns without planning, without oversight, and without accountability. So you see a black man complaining about Haitians driving erratically, eating geese, and crowding welfare offices. A 95 pound woman says Haitians are threatening her on her own lawn and her family is thinking about leaving. Armed Venezuelans gangs taking over apartments is yesterday's news.
Did we get to vote on this? Have any say? Developers have to lay out all kinds of plans to not hurt the endangered dung beetle to get approved, but Americans have to suffer in silence as their society is remade? But HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA Donald says they're eating cats and dogs HAHAHAHAHAHAH racist HAHAHAHAHAHHA
"Dur most migrants aren't criminals Dur" That's not the point, TDS people. Most gun owners aren't criminals, but if it was possible to buy guns without a background check, I'd be worried. You cannot ignore serious vulnerabilities that's staring right in your face.
How are geese normally slaughtered?
I'm not a hunter, but I believe they use a shotgun with birdshot.
In Michigan, Canadian Geese are usually plunked with golf balls.
On a farm.
Again Kristi Noem *writes* about killing *her own dog* herself and people flip out, but a group of people slaughtering animals in a public park in Ohio is just something that the residents of that town in Ohio need to STFU about because it's not like it's Martha's Vineyard or anything.
Again, they don't care about legal or illegal or differences in culture, it's about wielding power capriciously against wrongthink.
"They’re beheading and eating geese."
Funny, there doesn't seem to be any pictures of that happening in Springfield. There is a picture of a not-Hatian carrying a not-beheaded goose in Columbus, which is nowhere near Sprinfield.
"the government dropping off a legion of unverified foreigners into towns without planning, without oversight, and without accountability."
Yeah, that didn't happen. If you want to learn factual information, this is a quite good article.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/haitian-immigrants-fueled-springfields-growth-now-us-presidential-debate-2024-09-11/
"Did we get to vote on this?"
Did you get to vote on where a legal immigrant chooses to live? No, because that's insane. No one should get to vote on where you live, either.
"as their society is remade"
How, pray tell, is society being remade by legal immigrants moving to a town that had been slowly losing population since the 90s. Is it better that the town die than have Haitian immigrants for neighbors?
"You cannot ignore serious vulnerabilities that’s staring right in your face."
Which vulnerabilities? People move someplace, buy houses, settle down, and help their community grow? Yeah, that sounds awful.
Again, just to check, you know these aren't illegal immigrants, right?
Well, when none of them have any skills and barely, if at all speak English, yes, it's a problem. Increasing a town's residents by over a third with no revenue stream apart from the initial one given by govt largesse laundered through NGOs is in fact a problem.
“Harris had arguably the tougher job of the night …”
LOL, there was nothing “tough” about spewing word salads (that her half-witted voters deem profound) and watching her pet “moderators” fact-check their shared opponent into oblivion.
While ABC was derelict in failing to ask either candidate if they will return to the White House menu Presidents Harrison and Garfield's breakfast favorite, squirrel stew , the New York Post was on the ball with this report from Trump's home neighborhood:
https://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2024/09/animal-sacrifices-on-rise-in-queens-as.html
The rumors did, in fact, turn out to be false
Put it on, Clown World. Put on the nose.
They did not, in fact, turn out to be false. There are dozens and dozens of people in that town offering first-hand testimony.
Clown World here, instead, did exactly what the rest of State Media did: "ABC News did reach out to the city manager there. He told us there had been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant community."
No effort to investigate beyond that. The State loyalist said it didn't happen, based on reporting, so that closes the book. No need to investigate further. PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN. Meanwhile, there's lots of Chad's out there with cellphones and microphones interviewing the good people of Ohio, who are telling a different story. One that LoL jOuRnAliStS refuse to look into even slightly, accepting the State narrative out of hand.
Like the whipped bitches they are.
The pinkos here will never accept any amount of evidence. They will deny and shift goalposts as necessary.
My son in law has relatives in Springfield. He was talking about this months ago before it became a story. His relatives did not mention cats or pets but eating ducks/geese captured in a public park. This is just an example of extreme behavior by illegal immigrants.
The real issue is that 20000 Haitians have been drop shipped into a town of 60k over a very short period of time. Something similar is beginning to happen in Sylacauga, Alabama...an even smaller town with a sudden influx of 3rd world immigrants. The Governor claims that the Feds did not notify her.
None of the Haitians in Springfield are illegal immigrants. They are, at least as has been reported, all legally present in the US
Illegals with a temporary benediction revocable as a class at the whim of the president are still illegals.
You calling them illegals while even you seem to admit they are legally present in the US is the example of the lack of reason present in the commentariot on this site.
NONE OF THEM, huh? You have a roster and all their documents?
Or are you a shill spewing nonsense?
The first debate showed us that Joe Biden could not handle four more years of the Presidency. The second that Donald Trump could not handle the job of President for another 4 years.
+1
Nope. It just showed that ABC News is blatantly partisan. And your comment shows the same. Plus it showcases your dishonesty and retardation.
I came to Reason originally when it acquired Volokh which I continue to read and, at least insofar as the Commentators posting, continue to enjoy reading even when I disagree for the simple reason that they live in the real world and don't subscribe the various conspiracy rumors.
I have problems with some of the commenters since they often tend to be quite doctrinaire but at least, for the most part, base their arguments and comments on reason.
Over here, on Reason proper, your commentators are for the most part also reasonable but the commenters, like in this story, that now want to justify one of the dumbest conspiracy stories of all about Haitians, legal immigrants by the way, killing pet cats and eating them, are truly beyond belief. Having them on site called Reason.com betrays what you allegedly stand for.
So with the migrants eating animals on the neighborhood, are we still at the “it is not happening” phase or have we gotten to the “it is happening and you are a racist for noticing” phase of media coverage?
We're at the "I've got a raging case of TDS and I'll make any bogus claim about Trump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" stage.
Joe Lancaster got so bogged down in his raging case of TDS that he failed to write a coherent article.
FOAD, asshole.
Right: "OMG they're killing and eating the pets!"
Left: "No they aren't you imbecile, they're killing and eating geese."
Politicians: "Hold on, let's meet in the middle...
All I have to say is,"if you try to steal my kitty, you're gonna get some triple 0 buckshot instead".
We know who's responsible for this. They need to reap what they have sown.
Interesting that the MAGA crowd is claiming that Trump not get his clocked cleaned by Harris. Neither Trump nor his Cult are connected to reality.
Now just imagine how Trump will deal with Putin or Xi. A cognitively impaired President is a menace to the free world.
"A cognitively impaired President is a menace to the free world."
And there is only one cognitively impaired President at the moment.