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Republican Party

J.D. Vance's Revisionist History

Plus: Brat summer revisited, Telegram CEO arrested, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 8.26.2024 9:31 AM

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Ohio Republican Sen. J.D. Vance at the 2024 CPAC DC conference in National Harbor, Maryland. | Dominic Gwinn/ZUMAPRESS/Newscom
Ohio Republican Sen. J.D. Vance at the 2024 CPAC DC conference in National Harbor, Maryland. (Dominic Gwinn/ZUMAPRESS/Newscom)

J.D. Vance thinks Donald Trump's tariffs actually worked: In a cable news segment this weekend, vice-presidential contender J.D. Vance defended his running mate's first-term tariff policies.

"How do you respond to that charge that Trump's tariffs would hurt the middle class?" Meet the Press anchor Kristen Welker asked Vance in a long sit-down.

"There's this whole thing that Kamala Harris did at the convention where she made a bunch of claims about what would happen and not enough actually reflection on what already happened, right? Because Donald Trump was already president. He used tariffs to bring manufacturing jobs back to our country, and I think he'll do it again. And he did it while keeping prices extremely low. Because if you go back to the Trump presidency, we had 12,000 factories that were built during Donald Trump's presidency. Inflation never really ticked above two percent his entire administration," responded Vance.

Welker pushed back more, asking him roughly the same question again: "Do you acknowledge that imposing more tariffs will ultimately cost consumers?"

"What it really does is it penalizes importers from bringing goods outside the country, into the country," responded Vance. "And I think that's just a necessary thing. We know that China and a number of other countries are using, effectively, slave labor to undercut the wages of American workers. Donald Trump thinks that has to stop."

"But it caused consumers to pay more," continued Welker. "They paid more in taxes, $80 billion worth. Do you acknowledge that consumers ultimately will pay more if there are more tariffs imposed?"

Vance ultimately responded with a no. "I think economists really disagree about the effects of tariffs. Because there can be a dynamic effect, right? So what some economists will say is what you just said, that it will actually raise costs for consumers. But what other people say, and I think the record supports this other view, is that it causes this dynamic effect where more jobs come into the country. Anything that you lose on the tariff from the perspective of the consumer, you gain in higher wages, so you're ultimately much better off."

Does the record, in fact, say this? "Six years after then-President Donald Trump signed the first tariffs and began a costly U.S.-China trade war, it's become clear that these tariffs are an abject policy and economic failure," wrote Jay Derr of the Reason Foundation (the organization that publishes this website) earlier this year. "These tariffs have negatively impacted trade between the U.S. and China, leading importers to shift toward Mexico's west coast instead of shipping directly to the United States. As a result, trade between Mexico and China has grown by 60% in one year."

They also, on net, failed to protect American jobs: The U.S.-China Business Council found in 2021, that some 245,000 American jobs were lost as a result of the tariffs. And despite the Trump team's hopes, U.S. Steel may in fact get sold to Japan's Nippon Steel Corporation after all (though pulling the deal off is proving complicated).

"The entire
purpose of a tariff is to shift consumer behavior away from politically disfavored goods—such as imports from China—toward domestic-made items that would otherwise lose out in a free market of price competition," wrote Reason's Eric Boehm last month. If reimposed and broadened, "Trump's proposed 10 percent tariff would be equivalent to a $300 billion tax increase," reports Boehm. "Assuming other countries would also raise trade barriers in retaliation, the final toll would be more than 825,000 jobs lost, according to Tax Foundation Senior Economist Erica York." For the typical American household, Trump's round two would impose costs of an additional $1,500 annually.

Vance is just totally wrong on the merits. If we get more tariffs, it's American consumers who will have to bear the consequences—after suffering through several years of high inflation that have already taken a big chunk out of their budgets.


Scenes from New York: I'm somewhat vindicated by this New York magazine profile of the pop artist Charli XCX, who reports that she wasn't really trying to make a political statement or create political art, yet unfortunately became cable news segment fodder: "With the Kamala tweet, Charli, perhaps for the first time this summer, made a brand misstep. When she fired it off, she was hanging out in her pool at home in L.A. and waiting for Daniel to finish making lunch. She meant it more as 'something positive and lighthearted' than a political endorsement, but then Harris's campaign, clearly aware of what the kids are talking about right now, began posting 'welcome to kamala hq' to their new social-media accounts in the style of the album cover. Thus began, in the middle of one of the most disorienting news cycles in recent memory, another in the middle of it, in which political pundits and everyone's mother were trying to figure out what exactly brat is and what it has to do with Harris."


QUICK HITS

  • "The founder and CEO of the messaging service Telegram was detained at a Paris airport on an arrest warrant alleging his platform has been used for money laundering, drug trafficking and other offenses," reports the Associated Press. More here:

BREAKING: #Telegram CEO Pavel Durov arrested by French authorities.

Early official comments to French media suggest this follows from France's displeasure with Telegram's moderation & compliance with official requests(?).

If so, I'm pretty sure this is an unprecedented action… pic.twitter.com/hKa1Ip0buD

— John Scott-Railton (@jsrailton) August 24, 2024

  • Israeli forces destroyed thousands of Hezbollah missile launchers in southern Lebanon over the weekend, in what it termed a preemptive strike.
  • Food waste and refrigeration and our reliance on the global "cold chain," from Bloomberg.
  • "The Megyn Kelly Show's YouTube channel, which has 2.3 million subscribers, had 116.8 million views in July—more views than the official channels for NBC News (78 million) CBS News (83 million), Sky News (87 million), the BBC News (72 million) and CNBC (17 million)," reports Semafor.
  • A work of art:

rewatching old episodes of firing line and the guest list is just insane pic.twitter.com/3RDCBkuEP9

— Tim Hwang (@timhwang) August 25, 2024

  • lol:

we desperately need a slur for people who don't understand markets

— tess (@xsphi) August 25, 2024

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   9 months ago

    …vice-presidential contender J.D. Vance defended his running mate’s first-term tariff policies.

    This surprises me. I figured he’d be dumping all over them.

    1. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

      Price controls would be far more effective!

      1. Fist of Etiquette   9 months ago

        YOU MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT SHE SAID. SHE NEVER SAID SHE WAS THE PRICE CONTROL CZAR.

        1. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

          She never said she wasn’t , and that’s what counts!

        2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

          She was in charge of finding the root causes of price controls. And then implementing them.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

            Was there a Venn diagram?

            1. Minadin   9 months ago

              She left it on the school bus.

              1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                The short bus?

          2. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

            "So it’s not her full responsibility and job, but she’s leading the effort because I think the best thing to do is to put someone who, when he or she speaks, they don’t have to wonder about is that where the President is. When she speaks, she speaks for me. Doesn’t have to check with me. She knows what she’s doing, and I hope we can move this along.

    2. Nardz   9 months ago

      https://x.com/greg_price11/status/1828061539212910858?t=ac_E6PRjBDAyGKNWRbfz8A&s=19

      It's the 3rd anniversary of 13 American service members dying during the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

      Biden is currently at the beach.

      Kamala has nothing on her schedule.

      President Trump is at Arlington Cemetery laying a wreath for all 13 of them.

      1. HorseConch   9 months ago

        In fairness to the other two shitheads, do you think any of those families want to spend such a somber day being nothing more than photo op.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

          I bet some appreciate being remembered and not ignored.

        2. Bipedal Humanoid   9 months ago

          Those shit stains don't even know it's today.

      2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   9 months ago

        You may as well give up trying to "Benghazi" the Afghan pullout. Biden is out and it will take its place in the pantheon of hundreds of other military SNAFUs.

        Now the wars we lost in Iraq and Vietnam? Do you ever celebrate their anniversaries? Of course not.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 months ago

          turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

        2. Pepin the short   9 months ago

          Carry that water pedo.

        3. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

          “trying to “Benghazi” the Afghan pullout.”

          Both were horrific, and the UK Parliament actually voted to censure Biden over the latter.

          Your propaganda doesn’t work any more, Buttplug.

          1. HorseConch   9 months ago

            Did it ever?

          2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 months ago

            "...Both were horrific, and the UK Parliament actually voted to censure Biden over the latter..."

            With thanks to HRC and leakin' Joe! Vote D - it'll be (D)ifferent this time. Who knows, a nuclear war is within the grasp of Cackles!

        4. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

          Like someone once said "What difference at this point does it make?"

          1. Minadin   9 months ago

            As someone else said over, and over, and over, often in caps . . . 'sloppy pullout'.

            Never forgive the assholes who tried to gaslight everyone. The total incompetence that they are attempting to cover persists because of their stupidity.

            1. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

              To be clear, I was not agreeing with Hillary or Shrike. The "what difference does it make at this point" excuse was facile then and now.

        5. damikesc   9 months ago

          Harris was a central person in the evacuation...per Harris. And Biden has not distanced her from it.

        6. DesigNate   9 months ago

          #TotallyNotADemocrat

        7. R Mac   9 months ago

          Fuckoff pedo filth.

        8. Bipedal Humanoid   9 months ago

          Of course...the "What difference does it make now?" Dick For Brains HRC response.

          Typical Leftist remark.

        9. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

          Wow, I asked yesterday when ButtPlug would critique the Democrats about Benghazi. I think we are getting close.

      3. creech   9 months ago

        This can't be right. Weren't we told that Trump considered dead service members to be "suckers and losers?" And the president assured us that no military members died on his watch.

  2. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

    we desperately need a slur for people who don't understand markets

    The m-word?

    1. Nardz   9 months ago

      https://x.com/Babygravy9/status/1828055042282107078?t=9nIo7pwu4xzPIertY0k8Ug&s=19

      Four years ago today, a 17-year old boy defied a horde of leftist scum out for his blood, handling himself with a composure, self-control and deadly accuracy trained operators would struggle to match. Here's to you, Kyle.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

      Marxist? Communist?

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

      Democrats.

      BTW, some Democrats do understand markets. And they despise them.

    4. Mickey Rat   9 months ago

      Democrats, progressives, socialists...

      We have so many already.

    5. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

      Politician?

      “The first lesson of economics is scarcity: There is never enough of anything to satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics.”
      ― Thomas Sowell,

    6. Overt   9 months ago

      Slaver?

      1. DesigNate   9 months ago

        Nice

    7. Eeyore   9 months ago

      Ok Kamala.

    8. Minadin   9 months ago

      AOC

    9. MJBinAL   9 months ago

      To Democrats (Progressive socialists and Marxist socialists) the markets are SO passé. What is really needed is a secure and isolated technocratic government of elites with all the necessary power to manage the entirety of society for the common good.

      Of course, this will be the most difficult of jobs and totally stressful. They will require extra benefits, beach cottage vacations, special passes for the special transportation. It is only their due you know for the terrible burden they carry for the masses.

      1. JoeB   9 months ago

        Don't forget about the access to beef, pork, fish, and fresh food. Bug protein for the rest of us.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   9 months ago

    Trump's proposed 10 percent tariff would be equivalent to a $300 billion tax increase...

    You can take the boy out of the Democratic Party but you can't take the Democratic Party out of the boy.

    1. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

      10% for the big guy is just how we do things nowadays.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   9 months ago

        Somebody had to pay the fucking bar tab.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 months ago

          turd, the TDS-addled ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

        2. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

          What bar tab?

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

            I’ll bet he thinks his comments are clever.

        3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

          For Biden selling out America to the ChiComs?

      2. Super Scary   9 months ago

        We used to call that "tithing."

    2. Nardz   9 months ago

      https://x.com/tomselliott/status/1828020428117311570?t=afHOpJwHecwCMhZoactvRA&s=19

      MSNBC's @AliVelshi: #Project2025 is so extreme it would "deny loan assistance to those who are not U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residence, and deny loan access to students at schools that provide in-state tuition to illegal aliens."

      [Video]

      1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

        Lying fucking idiots. From the Heritage Foundation's website:

        https://www.project2025.org/truth/

        Improve Education
        Project 2025’s policy reforms would strengthen our education system by:
        Expanding school choice, so all children have the option of a great education, regardless of zip code.
        Promoting parents’ rights in public education so American schools serve parents, not the other way around.
        Removing critical race theory and gender ideology curricula in every public school in the country.
        Returning education control to state and local governments.
        Shifting some functions of the Department of Education to other departments including Labor, Justice, and Commerce.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

          It's not lying, it's anti-misinformation. Aka, "good" propaganda. Aka, mainstream media.

        2. Nardz   9 months ago

          The only idiotic thing would be not denying loan assistance to those who are not U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residence, and denying loan access to students at schools that provide in-state tuition to illegal aliens.
          Cut that traitorous shit out.

      2. creech   9 months ago

        Has Trump endorsed Project 2025 proposals? On the other hand, there is a candidate trying to deny any involvement in any of the unpopular actual policies of her boss' administration.

        1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

          No. But I'd be pretty happy if he did. Most of them are very libertarian, which is why the Nazis are squawking and misrepresenting it.

          1. Nardz   9 months ago

            Every time you cite "Nazis" as the bad guy, or as a pejorative, you advance the cause of totalitarian communism.
            At some point we have to wonder if that is not your true goal since you do it so fucking often.

            1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

              The Nazis were another form of totalitarian socialism that were corporatist and oligarchical rather than Marxist, which matches Shrike, Jeff and JFree more than the other, although they do share some elements of the latter too.

              Also, fuck your witchfinder general schtick, Nardz. I have to wonder at this point if your true goal is sowing dissension as an agent provocateur.

        2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   9 months ago

          After seeing the polls Donnie is actually trying to distance himself from Project 2025.

          But he also has said he supports letting more migrants into the country.

          Donnie and Hil-Dog - both with their finger-in-the-wind positions.

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

            Legal. Not illegal. But you're not a Democrat.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

              Probably a Democrat. Definitely an asshole.

          2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 months ago

            turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
            If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
            turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

          3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

            Illegals aren’t migrants you lying pedophile.

      3. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

        Oh, the horror!

      4. mad.casual   9 months ago

        Uh, what exactly is wrong with no Federal loan assistance for loans to non-US residents/citizens?

        Federal loan forgiveness, at some level, has been ruled unconstitutional. The idea that it’s unconstitutional for American citizens but still owed to foreign nationals is treasonous theft.

        This feels like salutory contradiction or a deliberate and dishonest inversion of understanding. They know it’s unpopular, they know it’s between pork spending and illegal, but it seems that they think if they frame it as a disparity against foreigners, somehow that makes it OK.

        1. Nardz   9 months ago

          I think what MSNBC proposed as part of Project 2025 sounds great, and it's ridiculous that it's not already the status quo

          1. mad.casual   9 months ago

            MSNBC: Well, if you aren't going to give a pony to *every* HS graduate, you *at least* have to give it to all the foreign ones, otherwise it would be unfair!

            Americans not buying the propaganda: Fuck you, cut spending.

      5. damikesc   9 months ago

        They do not have to keep convincing me to vote for Trump!

        1. Nardz   9 months ago

          This guy gets it

      6. DesigNate   9 months ago

        Grabs popcorn and waits for Jeff to come in and tell us all how this is the most horrible bigoted thing ever.

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

          The larger population of US Citizens will spend more in total therefore reasons. - Jeff.

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

            Well, Jeffy IS part of the ‘larger population’.

        2. Vernon Depner   9 months ago

          Perhaps Jeffy's frequent absences indicate that has to go to the library to get internet access.

      7. JoeB   9 months ago

        Actually not bad ideas. Why should foreign students get loan assistance on our dime? Also, illegals should not be competing for in-state tuition slots, at least in publicly-supported schools.

    3. MJBinAL   9 months ago

      We do need to produce the majority of the things we need since once we are dependent for most of our supply on someone else we are also open to intimidation at the least and probably worse depending on what it is.

      When another nation uses economics as a targeted tool in support of military goals they are always using your greed for artificially cheap goods as method to gain leverage.

      When your smart weapons are all dependent on raw materials from a nation whose eventual goal is to defeat and subjugate you, the argument posed in this, and nearly every article on Reason about tariffs is absurdly childish. How much will you enjoy cheap goods as part of another nations empire?

      It is NECESSARY that we maintain the ability to produce everything we need in the event of conflict. Indeed, this ability is a key issue in the prevention of war. Making yourself unable to defend yourself is an invitation to surrender, or lose at low cost to your opponent.

      Those who advocate for this are “the enemy within” whether they intentionally mean harm or not. Nothing is more expensive than stupid, with the exception of stupid AND greedy.

      Now about the "tax increase" equivalence, how about we impose tariffs on everything and eliminate the income tax? This was after all, just what the nation did until Abraham Lincoln decided to impose an income tax (unconstitutionally) to pay for the Civil War.

  4. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

    Who knew Trudeau was so trump like?

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/canada-imposes-100-tariff-imports-123831026.html

    1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

      Biden quadrupled Trumps tariffs. That makes him at least Double-Trump.

      1. Quicktown Brix   9 months ago

        The bigger surprise is that Trump/MAGA is so Trudeau like, considering conservatism, free markets, etc.

        1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

          Trump/MAGA is so Trudeau like

          Why don't you unpack that for us?

          1. Quicktown Brix   9 months ago

            What I meant is that interfering in markets is something I expect from liberals/democrats more than I do from conservatives/republicans.

            1. Social Justice is neither   9 months ago

              So you're one of the leftist morons who equate self defense with assault because your goldfish brain cannot handle more than the most surface detail. Got it.

              1. Quicktown Brix   9 months ago

                Well it's better than being a self righteous, presumptuous, fallacy-laden moron that assumes that anyone that disagrees with me is too ignorant to understand the issue.

                1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                  You’re framing that like Trump interfered in ‘free markets’. He didn’t. He went after a China because of their egregious interference, IP theft, and their own tariffs. Trump used tariffs as leverage to get the Chicoms to level the playing field.

                  1. Quicktown Brix   9 months ago

                    That’s a fair point. I acknowledge it was not a free market. Trump just made it even less free.

                    You can argue that the costs were worth it and that China fell in line. I don’t think so, but it’s debatable. Now post-inflation, I think the costs are too high and benefits too uncertain.

                    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                      How was it less free? Allowing and endorsing some market members to violate free market rules is probably the least free I can think of. You're just endorsing advantaged markets. As mentioned prior they have been running algorithmic market scenarios for decades now. Tit for tat strategies always end up being most optimal solutions.

                    2. Quicktown Brix   9 months ago

                      Tit for tat strategies always end up being most optimal solutions.

                      Well, I do like tits, but I'm still going to have to strongly disagree with that statement.

                    3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                      Yeah…… those tariffs are a drop in the bucket compared to the regulatory costs imposed by the current administration. Plus their unprecedented dilution of our currency. Plus all the new Biden tariffs, which are structural, and not part of a negotiating tactic.

                    4. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                      Your feelings are fine disagreeing. Does not mean your feelings are in any way correct.

                      Picking and choosing who is exempted from regulatory boundaries and agreements is not a free system in any manner.

                      I know the bumper sticke4 is the easiest form of thought, but take your beliefs to a purely domestic system. Would government favoritism towards certain actors make a market more or less free?

                2. JoeB   9 months ago

                  There is no assumption in this case. Your ignorance is manifest.

                  1. Quicktown Brix   9 months ago

                    If you're such a clairvoyant genius, why are you wasting time reading and insulting ignorant commenters rather than posting something of substance? I mean, do something constructive with your immense aptitude...or at least present a sliver of an argument....because just insulting me while presenting no counter argument makes you look like the ignorant one.

            2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

              Presidents on both sides have used tariffs since the founding. Interactions with other foreign governments is literally one of their powers.

              Likewise raising regulatory costs here to offshore industry to other countries is also market interference. Ignoring common market manipulation of other states is also market interference.

              There has never been an idealized free and open market ever.

              In fact all of those “free trade agreements” you seem to be referring to were nothing but large sets of tariffs, export import caps, regulatory controls, etc. They were never actually free market.

              1. Quicktown Brix   9 months ago

                Presidents on both sides have used tariffs since the founding. Interactions with other foreign governments is literally one of their powers....
                ...Likewise raising regulatory costs here to offshore industry to other countries is also market interference...
                ...There has never been an idealized free and open market ever....
                ...In fact all of those “free trade agreements” you seem to be referring to were nothing but large sets of tariffs, export import caps, regulatory controls, etc. They were never actually free market....

                Agree

                ...Ignoring common market manipulation of other states is also market interference...

                Disagree

                1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                  How is it not? You're defending advantages trade markets which literally cause market disruption and advantage?

                  If the US government allowed one company in an industry to ignore regulatory frameworks and required all others to follow them, what would be the effect on the industrial market?

                  1. Quicktown Brix   9 months ago

                    I'm not saying more FAIR. I'm saying more FREE. You arguing that more regulations make market's more free. That's wrong by definition.

                    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                      You ignored the question and still haven't explained.

                      How does excluding some actors from the same baseline in a market make things free instead of advantaged?

                    2. Quicktown Brix   9 months ago

                      If I’m a steel purchaser, I pay more for steel. I pay more because China (not me) makes fake name brand sneakers. I pay more because China (not me) steals IP. I pay more to subsidize bringing manufacturing profits to others (not me) in the US. I pay more for unions. I pay more even if the tariffs fail to correct any of these issues. I am not free to opt out of subsidizing these government programs. That’s how it’s less free.

                    3. JoeB   9 months ago

                      Just keep saluting while the ship sinks.

                    4. Quicktown Brix   9 months ago

                      ^JoeB says looking in the mirror^

              2. Zeb   9 months ago

                Presidents on both sides have used tariffs since the founding. Interactions with other foreign governments is literally one of their powers.

                Pretty sure taxation, including tariffs, is explicitly a power of congress, not the president.

                1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                  Trade Expansion Act of 1962. This law states that the president can raise tariffs on imports that pose a threat to national security. Section 232 allows the President to implement these tariffs without the approval of Congress, following an investigation by the Department of Commerce.

                  1. Zeb   9 months ago

                    I mean constitutionally. I think that's yet another case of congress giving too much of its own powers to the executive. It's also applied under way too broad an interpretation of "national security". (And while I'm at it, it's also a very Orwellian name for a law that gives the president more powers to stifle trade.)

                    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                      I agree. I hate it. Just as below I hate this centering all arguments on the executive to hide the corruption of Congress.

                      Would love to repeal all federal agencies derived from legislative power with rule making.

                    2. CLM1227   9 months ago

                      It’s presidential instead of congressional because presidential powers are more easily altered, via federal fiat or ballot box.

                      In other words, the tariffs can be changed closer to real-time feedback from a fluid market. This is also why immigration is in the executive.

                      Congress works slower and requires more stability. Things that go through there should be policy for longer than a moment, closer to a generation, and often longer. Legislation captures stable things - like cultural values (at least things that should be stable). They don’t fluctuate and aren’t easily altered by one election.

                      Tariffs belong in the executive. The only thing that belongs in the legislature is whether tariffs should be allowed as economic policy (period). Not what tariffs or how much should exist.

        2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

          Lolwut.

      2. TrickyVic (old school)   9 months ago

        https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/05/14/fact-sheet-president-biden-takes-action-to-protect-american-workers-and-businesses-from-chinas-unfair-trade-practices/

        1. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

          Celebration Parallax

          The phenomenon whereby the exact same set of facts is either celebrated or deplored depending solely on the political bias of the observer.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

            "Facts"?

  5. Fist of Etiquette   9 months ago

    ...political pundits and everyone's mother were trying to figure out what exactly brat is and what it has to do with Harris.

    Weißt du, wer sonst noch brat war?

    1. Nardz   9 months ago

      https://x.com/fentasyl/status/1827924028859806149?t=yOFR5BjVnsfe64fF0PP5sA&s=19

      Apparently they're now secretly seating the dumbest, most violent students next to the smartest, most diligent students to ensure proper DEI execution in Public Schools.

      [Link]

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

        Easier to pass the bad kids if they can cheat off the sartlllmart kids.

        1. Nardz   9 months ago

          That's not the goal.
          The goal is to hamper the smart kids, not lift the dumb ones.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

            Equity!

          2. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

            Let's hope some Harrison Bergeron manages to expose the idiocy.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

              And end up dead?

    2. Vernon Depner   9 months ago

      2LiveCrew?

  6. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   9 months ago

    Far-Right ‘Terrorgram’ Chatrooms Are Fueling a Wave of Power Grid Attacks
    Extremist communities see damaging power substations as a way to fuel unrest and ultimately overthrow the US.
    ......
    People in a quiet neighborhood in Carthage, a town in Moore County, North Carolina, heard a series of six loud pops a few minutes before 8:00 p.m. on Dec. 3, 2022. A resident named Michael Campbell said he ducked at the sound. Another witness told police they thought they were hearing fireworks.
    .....
    The noise turned out to be someone shooting a rifle at a power substation next door to Campbell’s home. The substation, operated by the utility Duke Energy Corp., consists of equipment that converts electricity into different voltages as it’s transported to the area and then steered into individual houses. The shots hit the radiator of an electrical transformer, a sensitive piece of technology whose importance would likely be understood only by utility company employees. It began dumping a “vast amount” of oil, according to police reports. A subsequent investigation has pointed to a local right-wing group, one of a wave of attacks or planned attacks on power infrastructure.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-08-26/far-right-terrorgram-chatrooms-fuel-wave-of-power-grid-attacks

    #MAGA-Jan6

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 months ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    2. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

      Zero surprises that Buttplug is calling for censorship of "Far-Right ‘Terrorgram’ Chatrooms" based on dubious accusations.
      Fascists going to fascist.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 months ago

        turd gonna turd.

      2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   9 months ago

        I called for no such thing - you Christo-Fascist.

        Those who target the grid for terror attacks should be arrested just as the BLM rioters who destroy property.

        1. sarcasmic   9 months ago

          Who is he going to believe, you or the voices in his head?

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

            Oh. This should be good. Explain what shrike was doing sarc. Linking terrorism to the right despite not being involved in the terrorism and the CEO of the application not being conservative. He is actually a classical liberal for free speech, the things you and shrike lie about being.

          2. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

            How about the article he just posted?

            Poor Sarc.

            1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   9 months ago

              What about it?

              MAGA is angry and you are condoning their terrorist activity.

              1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 months ago

                turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
                If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
                turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

              2. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

                “MAGA is angry and you are condoning their terrorist activity.”

                Oh look. Sarckles white knights yet another censorship-pushing article he didn’t read. Here, this one isn’t behind a paywall:

                The motives and methods of the recent attacks vary.Some of the perpetrators may have been seeking money, not mayhem. Federal authorities say that the attacks on four substations in western Washington State on Christmas Day, which left more than 14,000 residents in the dark, were perpetrated by two men seeking to knock out power so they could commit a robbery…

                Yet many others remain mysterious to law enforcement and federal regulators…

                While there are no public indications that the attacks have been perpetrated by people motivated by extremist groups or ideologies, violent conspiracies and manifestos focused on targeting and destroying energy infrastructure in order to cause fear and chaos have been widely shared on extremist social-media platforms and messaging apps…

                1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

                  Do you honestly not see what they’re doing here by hinting to everyone it’s X plotting on social media when they have no evidence that it was?

                2. BYODB   9 months ago

                  If we're honest, the two most probable groups to attack substations are extremists and Gaia worshippers.

                  The fact at least one was a criminal conspiracy to commit robbery is honestly surprising since attacking a substation is a far, far bigger crime than most robberies they could have imagined. No one has ever accused criminals of being terribly bright, but those in particular were especially stupid. No doubt they got their 'plan' from watching Oceans 11 or something.

                  1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                    Democrats are the terrorists. Their most treasured demographic has been out in force harassing and attacking innocent Jews. All while showing public support and rioting for democrat favored Islamist terror groups, including Hamas.

                    But scum like Shrike, Sarc and Jeffy defend all of that. They are with the terrorists 100%.

              3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                Sarc, defend this one too.

        2. sarcasmic   9 months ago

          By the way, did you say that everyone who participated in the J6 peaceful protest were innocent? No, you didn't. Well that's the exact same thing as saying all the BLM rioters were innocent.

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

            Remember when you were screaming about unmarked vans for BLM and then laughing at a woman being shot for J6, cheering 5 years for feet on desks?

            Meanwhile you're here defending shrike linking terrorism to the right because of an app the right doesn't even own.

            How dare people assume you're an ignorant leftist.

            1. sarcasmic   9 months ago

              Do you just make shit up to argue against while you're driving to your government contracting job?

              1. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

                Sarc envies the employed.

                1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

                  And the sober.

              2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                You skipped over explaining your above comment. Please say how you aren't doing what I described.

              3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                By the way. Which one is made up buddy?

                1. sarcasmic   9 months ago

                  As always, every sentence with the word "you" in it.

                  1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                    So everything ‘you’ say, is a lie, right?

                  2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                    Which one is made up buddy?

        3. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

          "you Christo-Fascist."

          What does that even mean, you fucking retard?

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

            Not a Biden-Harris supporter?

            1. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

              Not a Harrie-Balz supporter.

        4. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 months ago

          turd, the TDS-addles shitstain of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

        5. damikesc   9 months ago

          "Those who target the grid for terror attacks should be arrested just as the BLM rioters who destroy property"

          So you advocate given them money?

      3. Nardz   9 months ago

        All signaling against fascism is aid to totalitarian communists.
        Boomers and "classical libs" need to start realizing this fact.
        Doesn't matter what your intent is.

    3. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

      The shots hit the radiator of an electrical transformer, a sensitive piece of technology whose importance would likely be understood only by utility company employees.

      Who the hell doesn’t know what a radiator is for?

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 months ago

        turd.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

        More to the point, who wouldn't be aware of the importance of a sub-station to providing power?

        You'd think after several years of this shit, people would realize how vulnerable the national electrical grid really is. When the road war kicks off, these are going to end up being the first places targeted for precisely that reason.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   9 months ago

          But why are your conservative pals here trying to white-wash the right's involvement in all these attacks?

          I recall the days when the left frequently spiked redwoods and monkey-wrenched hydro-electric dams. No one said it wasn't happening.

          But they eventually gave up.

          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 months ago

            turd, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
            If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
            turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

          2. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

            "ALL" of these attacks?

            You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.

            "The incursion kicked off a rash of attacks on the Northwest power grid in 2022, according to public records obtained by OPB and KUOW. It is unclear whether most of the attacks are connected.

            As with most of them, no one has been arrested, and no one has claimed responsibility.

            Two substations in Clackamas County, just southeast of Portland, were attacked on Nov. 24 and Nov. 28.

            Two intruders “cut into the fence and used firearms to shoot up and disable numerous pieces of equipment and cause significant damage,” according to an email from a Bonneville Power Administration security official to police departments in the area.

            Petty vandalism and attempts to steal copper are nothing new for electric utilities."

            If history is any guide, probably 80% of the "plots" are FBI plants trying to stir shit up.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

              If history is any guide, probably 80% of the “plots” are FBI plants trying to stir shit up.

              Or it's typical Antifa antics. These are the same kind of people who fire bomb pregnancy centers, and unlike the Weather Underground commies they're smart enough to not peacock to the press about it.

              1. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

                I expect that the FBI plants a large number of these "right-wing plots" so that they and the media can complain about "right-wing plots".

          3. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

            But why are your conservative pals here trying to white-wash the right’s involvement in all these attacks?

            Why do you claim that it's right wingers making the attacks, when the actual evidence of the incidents shows otherwise?

            I recall the days when the left frequently spiked redwoods and monkey-wrenched hydro-electric dams. No one said it wasn’t happening.

            Because they openly took credit for it in letters to the press.

            But they eventually gave up.

            LOL, there's been left-wing industrial sabotage going on for decades, including this one. Shut the fuck up with your gassbagging.

    4. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

      Free speech is scary to those denying being democrats. Especially when they can figure out a way to blame the right for terrorism they don't actually commit. Good work shrike. Definitely not a Democrat.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

        Don't forget that Democrats have lowered the bar for terrorism to include mean words and scary looking guns (and scary looking people). Actual physical actions not required.

  7. Fist of Etiquette   9 months ago

    The founder and CEO of the messaging service Telegram was detained at a Paris airport on an arrest warrant alleging his platform has been used for money laundering, drug trafficking and other offenses...

    Tell Ross Ulbricht we said hi.

    1. Randy Sax   9 months ago

      We need to ban spoons because people use them to get fat.

      1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

        Don’t scare Fatfuck Jeffy like that!

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

      That arrest was more cooked up than Assange's. Telegram provides end-to-end encryption on its messaging, and the main reason Pavel got pinched is because he's been pushing back against the FVEY glowies using his platform to spy on people. He even talked about it with Tucker Carlson a few months ago.

      This is also a way for the EU to send a message to Elon that he needs to start censoring right-wing communication on Twitter, or else. Europe is basically North Korea or Cuba at this point.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

        Why is it that Europe flipped from monarchies and theocracies to collectivist authoritarian governance, and skipped laissez-faire open societies?

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

          A combination of decades of having soft socialism already in place, a technocratic New World Order cabal that had ensconced itself in Brussels and Geneva for the previous 20 years, and marxist academics in the universities that went into overdrive after the Berlin Wall came down.

    3. Eeyore   9 months ago

      I'm sure someone somewhere has used a phone to coordinate some money laundering. Who can we arrest for running this service?

      Tyrants go after the tools, because solving real crimes is hard.

  8. Fist of Etiquette   9 months ago

    Israeli forces destroyed thousands of Hezbollah missile launchers in southern Lebanon over the weekend, in what it termed a preemptive strike.

    Preemptive strike? More like genocide, I say.

    1. Anomalous   9 months ago

      Everything Israel does is genocide, according to the progressives.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

        Are missile launchers now a protected class?

        1. Vernon Depner   9 months ago

          Isn't it the libertarian position that people have a right to own missile launchers?

          1. R Mac   9 months ago

            Yes.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

        But they're so bad at it. Can't even wipe out Palestinians trapped in the open-air jail of Gaza? Meh.

    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   9 months ago

      Didn't Lebanon/Hezbollah attack Israel weeks ago making this not pre-emptive. So your probably right, genocide.

      1. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

        Disproportionate response!

    3. Nardz   9 months ago

      https://x.com/Mick_O_Keeffe/status/1827364292330397854?t=N1OPXInaum8A8dQEeZpGQg&s=19

      “You are never getting your country back.”

      Africans waving Irish and British passports mock the people of Ireland and the UK.

      When even their women are like this, how can you deny their intent to colonise and take over?

      [Video]

      1. mad.casual   9 months ago

        At this point, really they’re just claiming ownership of rape gangs.

        1. Nardz   9 months ago

          They've really managed to civilize the process, at least appearance, of sacking and pillaging.
          Little bit harder to do that with the raping.
          I'm sure they'll find a way to try though.

      2. Vernon Depner   9 months ago

        But they're right, aren't they?

    4. Jerry B.   9 months ago

      No pictures yet of the little baby missile launchers torn apart by evil Israeli bombs from the U.S.?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

        Would destroying half-built missile launchers in factories be OK?

        1. Anomalous   9 months ago

          Of course it is. Do you want to deny their abortion rights?

  9. Fist of Etiquette   9 months ago

    we desperately need a slur for people who don't understand markets

    Congressperson.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

      Didn't Twain have something about that?

    2. Eeyore   9 months ago

      Congresscritter.

    3. Vernon Depner   9 months ago

      Professor.

  10. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

    In a recent development in Wayne County, Michigan, more than 700 Republicans applied to be poll watchers for the upcoming elections. However, out of the 2,350 poll watchers hired, only 50 of them were Republicans.

    1. Anomalous   9 months ago

      Sounds right. How much window dressing do you really need?

    2. creech   9 months ago

      Cynically, if that was Philly, you'd find 49 of them had agreed to take a $50 bill to take a smoke or bathroom break just when "the pipes burst" or a delivery of "overlooked" ballot boxes was due to arrive.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

      2300 Democrat poll watchers and 50 Republicans? Sounds like equity.

      1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

        Equity will be when democrats are finally deposited into landfills.

        1. Nardz   9 months ago

          This guy gets it

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

            I had that epiphany a very long time ago. They won’t stop, so they have to BE stopped.

    4. Zeb   9 months ago

      How many democrats applied?

  11. sarcasmic   9 months ago

    "Anything that you lose on the tariff from the perspective of the consumer, you gain in higher wages, so you're ultimately much better off."

    Concentrated benefits and dispersed costs. Great politics. Terrible economics.

    1. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

      Trudeau is imposing tariffs, and Canada doesn’t even make electric cars.

      https://finance.yahoo.com/news/canada-imposes-100-tariff-imports-123831026.html

      1. HorseConch   9 months ago

        I haven't read the details, but that sounds like pure retardation.

        1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

          Yep, going full Trudeau.

  12. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

    Douglas MacKinnon: Could Elon Musk actually be arrested and X cancelled?

    1. Idaho-Bob   9 months ago

      Before outlining the reasons for this, I have a serious question: Why have so many on the left and in the media seemingly fallen in love with censoring free speech or “canceling” those who hold different opinions from themselves? I am old enough to remember when Democrats, liberals and the media were all about free and protected speech.

      Time for preemptive strikes.

      1. mad.casual   9 months ago

        I am old enough to remember when Democrats, liberals and the media were all about free and protected speech.

        Stands to reason that they weren’t actually in favor of free and protected speech all along, they were just about people listening to and obeying them.

        I mean, if you just wanted people to listen to what you had to say, you wouldn't have to take their guns and require them to vote for making people contribute to your pyramid schemes.

        1. damikesc   9 months ago

          The Left never cared about free speech.

          "Free speech" was their tool. They "protected" it until the moment they no longer needed it.

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

            Exactly. Given what they want to do, I have no concern for their rights anymore. They’ve done nothing but make war on American citizens, and humanity in general.

            Time to get rid of them.

            1. damikesc   9 months ago

              To paraphrase Tim Pool, why should anybody waste any time or energy worrying about somebody being "oppressed" by a system they have long advocated?

              If somebody has a history of advocating censorship, then that person being censored should not lead to a second of critique by me.

              1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                What goes around, comes around.

          2. Jefferson Paul   9 months ago

            Frank Herbert's quote from Dune is rather apt:

            When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.

            1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

              You just defined the democrat party.

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

          Stands to reason that they weren’t actually in favor of free and protected speech all along, they were just about people listening to and obeying them.

          Once more, with feeling:

          "Liberating tolerance, then, would mean intolerance against movements from the Right and toleration of movements from the Left. As to the scope of this tolerance and intolerance: ... it would extend to the stage of action as well as of discussion and propaganda, of deed as well as of word...The whole post-fascist period is one of clear and present danger. Consequently, true pacification requires the withdrawal of tolerance before the deed, at the stage of communication in word, print, and picture. Such extreme suspension of the right of free speech and free assembly is indeed justified only if the whole of society is in extreme danger. I maintain that our society is insuch an emergency situation, and that it has become the normal state of affairs."--Herbert Marcuse, "Repressive Tolerance"

          These people gave themselves permission to shut you up by force over 50 years ago. Now they're carrying it out. Remember that when they talk about "unity" and complain you're being "divisive," and that goes triple for their lickspittles on the center-right who are too scared to resist them.

      2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

        There should be no more democrat party. Or a democrat media. Or d Socrates ‘educators’. Or democrat corporate executives. Or really democrat anything.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

      Democrats can dream, can't they?

      1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

        Their dream, America’s nightmare.

  13. sarcasmic   9 months ago

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/us/article-13778863/Fox-WACH-anchor-Matt-Vereen-arrested-child-porn-charges.html

    WACH FOX 57 anchor Matt Vereen is arrested on child porn charges
    Matt Vereen, 28, was taken into custody on Wednesday
    He was charged with three counts of sexual exploitation of a minor

    1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

      Wow. One that isn’t a Democrat.

      Oh wait, he’s a local affiliate sportsball reporter.

      Matt Vereen, 28, a weekend anchor and sports reporter for the network’s affiliate WACH FOX 57 in South Carolina

      One arrest warrant shows that officers found a digital photo on his MacBook of a girl, between the ages of 11 to 13, in a sexually suggestive pose.

      Others claim he purchased a one-minute 32-second video of a nude 13-year-old girl standing over a camera, and another video of a 13-year-old girl twerking naked in the bathroom.

      Umm... wait until they find out about that 11 year old "trans" boy who was doing strip routines for men.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

        That was public school homework.

    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

      Man. First adopt jeffs behaviors and now adopt shrike behaviors.

      1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

        I wonder if he was trading kiddie porn videos with Shrike and Jeffy?

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

          Most likely.

    3. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

      Do you expect anyone here to defend him or make excuses for him?

      I mean, it's not like he was ONLY jerking off while someone else ACTUALLY raped a 16 year old girl and besides, he was sorry he did it, and so he should get a lesser penalty (no penalty at all because the gang rape may have been a way to vent “frustration” due to “migration experiences and sociocultural homelessness”.)

      1. damikesc   9 months ago

        He's my local weekend sports guy on WACH. If guilty, hope he's buried under the jail.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

          I always hoped they just put the pedophiles into general population in prison.

        2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

          Jeffy would shit up these threads endlessly defending this guy if he was an illegal.

  14. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

    "Six years after then-President Donald Trump signed the first tariffs and began a costly U.S.-China trade war, it's become clear that these tariffs are an abject policy and economic failure," wrote Jay Derr of the Reason Foundation (the organization that publishes this website) earlier this year. "These tariffs have negatively impacted trade between the U.S. and China, leading importers to shift toward Mexico's west coast instead of shipping directly to the United States. As a result, trade between Mexico and China has grown by 60% in one year."

    Current estimates are total US tariffs are 60B a year. Meanwhile theft alone if IP and IRAD technologies from China is over 200B a year. Costs from IP and IRAD are investment costs that get spread through the costs of goods sold. If more is sold, the cost per item is less.

    On top of that 70B a year is spent on security infrastructure to minimize theft.

    When Trump did his "trade war" it was initiated because Chinese government encouraged industrial theft from other countries. Tariffs actually got China to clamp down on the theft.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/16/china-intellectual-property-theft-progress/

    It amazes me how Reason cries about 50B while ignoring the 300B elephant in the room. Yes theft makes prices higher. Cost of goods decreases when the costs mentioned above are spread out.

    Other areas Reason is hypocritical is supporting the light touch against shoplifting despite shoplifting being 150B a year. Yes, stolen goods costs get spread to the cost of goods sold too. Then the entire regulatory scheme dwarfing tariff costs that gets rarely a mention here anymore.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   9 months ago

      Trump tariffs did not increase inflation or unemployment. Tariffs reportedly create a 300 million tax increase. Kamala is proposing a 5 trillion dollar tax increase. I have to wonder why Reason is so obsessed with a pretty much negligible issue.

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   9 months ago

        No, but Trumps Cares Act certainly did.

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

          He implemented without any input from Congress? Someone tell the DNC. They just spent a week saying they drove the bill through Congress.

          1. Sometimes a Great Notion   9 months ago

            Nope but he did negotiate it, championed and signed it so he among a lot of other assholes deserve every bit of scorn and derision I can lump onto them!

            Why do you defend him on this?

            1. TrickyVic (old school)   9 months ago

              I don't think the democrats want to give Trump any credit for that either. Both sides want to ignore Trump wanted to give people more money.

              Can't have Trump looking like he will spend, spend.

              Can't have Trump looking like he is sincere in helping people.

              Neither side is served by admitting it.

            2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

              Why did you ignore everyone else in your original statement and called it Trump's?

              I've explained to sarc many times so I'll explain to you.

              Veto proof spending bill - fault of Congress.

              Vetoable spending bill - fault of both.

              Spending without Congress - fault of president.

              I tend to blame who is primarily responsible.

              And even here the reason the initial act was even needed was because state and local government forced half the work force to stay home, an actual taking. You always seem to forget that part of Covid.

              You Comment as if it was solely Trump's fault almost daily. It is dishonest.

              1. Sometimes a Great Notion   9 months ago

                Same reason I call them Trumps Tax Cuts...to denote that the Bill was passed under his admin. I for one don't remember which Congrees # we are on and it makes it easier comment.

                Veto proof is meaningless since he wanted it to pass. Eg. targeted Massie for being primaried due to his vote against.

                So again why defend the man who negotiated the bill through his sect of treasury, championed it, and signed it into law?

                1. sarcasmic   9 months ago

                  https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-signing-h-r-748-cares-act/

                  Trump's remarks after being coerced into signing The CARES Act.

                  THE PRESIDENT: Well, thank you all very much. This is a very important day. I’ll sign the single-biggest economic relief package in American history and, I must say, or any other package, by the way. It’s twice as large as any relief ever signed. It’s $2.2 billion, but it actually goes up to 6.2 — potentially — billion dollars — trillion dollars. So you’re talking about 6.2 trillion-dollar bill. Nothing like that. And this will deliver urgently needed relief to our nation’s families, workers, and businesses. And that’s what this is all about.

                  And it got a 96 to nothing. And, I don’t know, what was the number in Congress?

                  PARTICIPANT: A voice vote.

                  THE PRESIDENT: A voice? It was fantastic.

                  PARTICIPANT: I think it was just as close.

                  THE PRESIDENT: That’s pretty amazing. That’s about the same thing. Right, Kevin?

                  LEADER MCCARTHY: Yes.

                  THE PRESIDENT: So, that’s fantastic. But I want to thank Republicans and Democrats for coming together, setting aside their differences, and putting America first.

                  This legislation provides for direct payments to individuals and unprecedented support to small businesses. We’re going to keep our small businesses strong and our big businesses strong. And that’s keeping our country strong and our jobs strong.

                  This historic bill includes the following:

                  $300 billion in direct cash payments will be available to every American citizen earning less than $99,000 per year; $3,400 for a typical family of four. So a family of four: $3,400.
                  And then $350 billion in job retention loans for small businesses, with loan forgiveness available for businesses that continue paying their workers. The workers get paid.
                  Approximately $250 billion in expanded unemployment benefits. The average worker who has lost his or her job will receive 100 percent of their salary for up to four full months.
                  So, things like this have never happened in our country.

                  $500 billion in support for hard-hit industries, with a ban on corporate stock buybacks — we don’t let them buy back the stock; we don’t let that happen — and tough limits on executive compensation.
                  Over $100 billion to support our heroic doctors, nurses, and hospitals. And you see what’s happening. And I want to thank, while we’re here, also the incredible job that’s done by the Army Corps of Engineers and by FEMA. It’s been incredible. They did four hospitals in two days or three days, in New York. And they’re, like, incredible structures. What a job they’ve been doing. And they’re doing them all over the country.
                  $45 billion for the Disaster Relief Fund, supporting our state, local, and tribal leaders.
                  $27 billion for the development of vaccines, therapies, and other public health response efforts, including $16 billion to build up the Strategic National Stockpile with critical stockpiles. And I’m going to — we have tremendous supplies coming into the stockpile, and you’ll be seeing that and hearing about it in a little bit because we’re doing a news conference at 5:30 on what’s happening.
                  We’ve had tremendous results on the respirators. We’ve had great results on just about everything we’re talking about. Boeing just announced that they’re going to be making the plastic field shields — the actual shields, which are hard to come by, and they’re going to be making them by the thousands a week.

                  And the ventilators, which is probably the most difficult because it’s like — it’s like building a car — we will be announcing thousands of — are going to be built and we have them under contract and we have fast deliveries. As you know, we delivered thousands to New York. And unfortunately — they were delivered to a warehouse, which was good — unfortunately, they didn’t take them, but now they’re taking them. New York is now taking them and redistributing them around the areas that they need.

                  So you have also $3.5 billion to states to expand childcare benefits for healthcare workers, first responders, and others on the frontlines of this crisis, and $1 billion for securing supplies under the Defense Protection Act. And, as you know, I’ve enacted the act. We’ve used it three or four times. I pulled it back three times because the companies came through, in the end. They didn’t need the act. It’s been great leverage.

                  I have instituted it against General Electric. We thought we had a deal for 40,000 ventilators and, all of the sudden, the 40,000 came down to 6,000. And then they talked about a higher price than we were discussing, so I didn’t like it. So we did — we did activate it, with respect to General Motors. And hopefully, maybe we won’t even need the full activation. We’ll find out. But we need the ventilators.

                  I said hello today — I called him — a wonderful guy, Boris Johnson. As you know, he tested positive. And before he even said hello, he said, “We need ventilators.” I said, “Wow. That’s a big statement.” And hopefully, he’s going to be in good shape.

                  I just spoke to Angela Merkel, and she’s quarantined also. She is right now, for a period of two weeks, being forced to stay in her house. So this is just an incredible situation.

                  Last night, I spoke to President Xi. We talked about the experience that they had in China and all of the things that have taken place. And we learned a lot. They’ve had a very tough experience, and they’re doing well and he’s doing well. President Xi is doing very well. But we learned a lot and we have great communication together.

                  We’re going to be sent great data from China — things that happened that they see that — you know, they’ve had a — they’ve had an early experience, and we’re getting all of that information. Much of it has already been sent. It was sent yesterday and sent to our scientists to study. So we’ll have more on that also. We’ll be discussing that at 5:30.

                  I just want to thank the people behind me. They’ve been incredible friends. They’ve been warriors. They — there’s nobody tougher or smarter than the people standing alongside of me. And I think I want to start off by asking Mitch and then Kevin to speak, and then we’re going to go through a few of the folks in the room if they’d like to say something.

                  But, Mitch, I’d like — I’d love to say a few words because you — this man worked 24 hours a day for a long time. This is the result. It’s the biggest ever — ever approved in Congress: 6.2 bill- — $6.2 trillion. So, you know, we used to get used to the billion. It used to be million, then it was billion, now it’s trillion. And it’s going to go a long way. It’s going to make a lot of people very happy.

                  Mitch McConnell, please.

                  LEADER MCCONNELL: Thank you, Mr. President. Let me just say this is a proud moment for our country, for the President. The Republicans and the Democrats all pulled together and passed the biggest bill in history in record time.

                  I also want to thank Kevin McCarthy and our leaders on the Republican side in the House who helped speed this through to passage. The American people needed this rescue package, they needed it quickly, and we delivered. It’s a proud moment for all of us. Mr. President, thanks for the opportunity to be here.

                  THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. I’d love to shake your hand, but Anthony would get angry at me if I did that. (Laughter.) So I better not do it. I can’t — it’s so natural. I just want to go back and shake his hand.

                  They’ve done such an incredible job. Kevin, please.

                  LEADER MCCARTHY: Yeah, I do want to start. I want to thank all — the real — the real answer to America is: We’re listening to you. You do your part, and we’re going to do ours, and that’s exactly what’s happening today.

                  What Leader McConnell did was amazing. He made it bipartisan, bicameral. Everybody was involved. I wish we could have signed this earlier this week; maybe there wouldn’t be as many people who are out of work. But this will put people back to work.

                  I also want to thank Secretary Mnuchin. You’ve done an amazing job, and we thank you for that, and all the team that’s here.

                  Look, as I said in my speech, the virus is here. We didn’t ask for it. We didn’t invite it. We didn’t choose it. But we are going to defeat it together because we’re going to work together, and this is the first start of it. The hospitals will get money — the money they need. The small businesses will be able to hire their employees back. That is a grant; you don’t have to borrow from that place. The other businesses get a retention to keep your employees on. This has something for everything.

                  And to the task force and the Vice President, all the work that you’re doing with this President, this will be the needed resources you need as well. And thank you for that, and thank you for your leadership, Mr. President.

                  THE PRESIDENT: Very special.

                  Mike Pence? Mike? Could you please say something? You’ve been working very hard, in charge of our task force. And then I’d like to ask Steve to say a few words.

                  THE VICE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Mr. President. Thanks for giving me the opportunity just to express all of our appreciation and the gratitude to the American people for the accomplishment that’s reflected in the legislation that you’ll sign in just a few moments.

                  You told the American people that we would do whatever it takes. You called on the Congress to step forward to make coronavirus testing free for every American, to make paid family leave available.

                  The Congress, with the leaders gathered around us here, stepped forward in a bipartisan fashion and delivered. But today, every American family, every American business, can know that help is on the way.

                  And I want to thank Leader McConnell for his yeoman’s work in really forging a bipartisan bill in the United States Senate. I want to thank Leader McCarthy for his great work. But as the President said, I also want to thank the Democrat and Republican leadership across the House and Senate. This is an American accomplishment. And, Mr. President, it’s exactly what you asked the Congress to deliver for the American people.

                  THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much, Mike. And Steve Mnuchin, you know how hard he’s been working. And, Steve, please say a few words.

                  SECRETARY MNUCHIN: Mr. President, thank you very much for your leadership and for the Vice President’s leadership. You made it very clear to us, last week, we should think big, that this was a war on the virus, and that we should have the resources to protect American workers and American business.

                  And I’d like to thank the Senate. It was a great honor, Mitch, to work with you and everyone on a bipartisan basis to get this done. This is going to be a great thing for the American workers. And, Kevin McCarthy, thank you for all the work in the House did to pass this quickly.

                  So, at Treasury, as I’ve said, we are committed to move forward quickly, and we’re going to get money in people’s pockets quickly.

                  Thank you, Mr. President.

                  THE PRESIDENT: Great job, Steve. Gene? Please.

                  SECRETARY SCALIA: This is a great day for American workers, protecting American workers, American jobs. It’s been a hallmark of this presidency, and this bill today is another very important step in that direction. It includes unprecedented support for American workers who’ve lost their jobs, through no fault of their own because of this virus, and gives them, as near as we could, the same wage they would have gotten, through unemployment insurance if they’d been able to keep their jobs, for up to four months.

                  I think even more important, it includes $350 billion in loans for small business, but it’s structured in a way to incentivize them to keep their workers on payroll so that those loans could be forgiven at the end of the period.
                  And it comes on top of legislation the President asked — signed last week for paid leave for workers who have to be at home because of the virus. Paid leave reimbursed in full, dollar for dollar, to the employers. It’s the first federal paid leave law for the private sector ever. And that also was achieved on an unprecedented, bipartisan basis.

                  This is the third major bipartisan piece of legislation in three weeks — three bills, three weeks — to address this virus.

                  So again, I want to thank the President for his leadership, his commitment to American workers, the Vice President as well, and Leader McConnell, and also my colleague, Secretary Mnuchin who did work so hard to help you get this done.

                  THE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Gene, very much.

                  Dr. Fauci, you may want to just say for a minute what hit the world. Something hit the world, and the world maybe will never be the quite same. But we’re going to make it a great place anyway. But certainly, you could maybe say a few words about it, please.

                  DR. FAUCI: Well, thank you, Mr. President. And I want to thank everyone involved in this. This is what America is all about: a bipartisan approach, with your leadership, to do something that’s sorely needed by the American people.

                  Dr. Birx and I and all of our medical people here are fighting the virus directly. But the virus has an impact on the American people, both directly by illness and death, but also indirectly, because many of the things that we have to do to suppress the virus has a negative impact because of what we’re doing. To give them relief economically is absolutely essential.

                  So I feel really, really good about what’s happening today. Thank you all very much.

                  THE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Tony. Thank you very much.

                  Deborah, perhaps you could say a few words or so about —

                  DR. BIRX: Well, thank you, Mr. President. Dr. Fauci covered it very well. As many of you know, I worked for him and he was my mentor 40 years ago.

                  I think whenever we start with one of these very serious diseases and a pandemic, the President’s first goal was ensuring the health of the American people, and that’s why we put out these very strong guidance.

                  It’s been a pleasure to work with the economic team here because they understand data in the same way. Economic data and health data is very similar in how you have to interpret it in a very granular way. And I think recognizing that the health of the American people is first, but the economic value of the nation is also critical.

                  And I just want to thank all of you for what you’ve done for the American people today.

                  THE PRESIDENT: Great job you’re doing too. Thank you.

                  Kevin, please.

                  REPRESENTATIVE BRADY: So just 20 days ago, I don’t know that anyone could have imagined how hard we’ve been hit medically or economically. But 20 days ago, I don’t think anyone could have imagined Congress pulling together so quickly and so forcefully behind what the President identified we needed for this country. This is a proud moment for all of us. And it’s just an example of what leadership can provide here in the White House, and then how we can respond as a Congress.

                  So thank you, Mr. President, for your leadership.

                  THE PRESIDENT: And I’m just saying, as Kevin is saying that, 20 days ago — a couple of days longer than that, maybe — we had a smooth-running, beautiful machine. We had the greatest economy in the history of our country. We had the highest stock price we’ve ever seen. It went up, I think, 151 times during the course of the presidency. And then we got hit by the invisible enemy, and we got hit hard. But it wasn’t just us, it was 151 countries, I think, as of the — as of this morning.

                  And you call Germany and speak to Angela — she’s in quarantine. And as you know, Boris was diagnosed that he’s positive. And all of the things that are happening, it’s hard to believe what’s gone on just in a short period of time.

                  And because of the talent behind me and lots of other talent in government, what we’ve done — this is a big part of it, obviously, but not the biggest part. Everybody has pulled together. Our nation has pulled together. The spirit is incredible. The people have pulled together more than anyone and better than anybody. And they’re doing really, really well.

                  But just to think how life can change where you go, 20 to 22 days ago, everything is perfect, we’re looking forward. I’m saying, “When are we going to hit 30,000? I want 30,000.” That means more jobs and more everything. And then, one day, we get hit with this thing that nobody ever heard of before. Nobody ever even heard of before. And now we’re fighting a different battle.

                  But I really think, in a fairly short period of time, because of what they’ve done and what everyone has done, I really think we’re going to be stronger than ever. And we’ll be protected from a lot of this. A lot of the things, Anthony, that we’ve done now — that we’re doing now — are going to protect us in the future if this should happen again.

                  DR. FAUCI: Absolutely.

                  THE PRESIDENT: From testing to so many other —

                  DR. FAUCI: Vaccines.

                  THE PRESIDENT: Even stockpiles. Right?

                  DR. FAUCI: And vaccines.

                  THE PRESIDENT: Yeah, the vaccines, hopefully. And vaccines, cures, therapeutics — whatever you want to call it — it’s a lot of progress. And I think on that score, I think we’re going to do a lot of progress on vaccines. We’re making, perhaps, a lot of progress on cures and therapeutics. We’ll be letting you know.

                  Anybody else have anything? Greg, please. Go ahead, fellas.

                  REPRESENTATIVE WALDEN: I would just say, I’ve never seen you shy away from a challenge. Your leadership and your policies and this great team brought America this enormous economy. And guess what? You get to do it again. This bill is the next step in that, and we can build back this economy with your leadership and with the healthcare team you’ve got here too. We’re doing the right thing for the American people, and they know that. I can tell you that from the ground. It’s not easy. It’s not easy.

                  THE PRESIDENT: No, it’s not.

                  REPRESENTATIVE WALDEN: We don’t want to shelter in place, as Americans. We want to be out, especially northwest.

                  THE PRESIDENT: Yeah.

                  REPRESENTATIVE WALDEN: But we know we have to do this for the safety of our relatives and families and our community and our country. So thanks for your leadership —

                  THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much.

                  REPRESENTATIVE WALDEN: — and the great team you’ve assembled.

                  THE PRESIDENT: Appreciate it very much.

                  REPRESENTATIVE CHABOT: On behalf of small businesses, they’re the backbone of the American economy. About half the people that work in America work for a small business, and they’re hurting out there right now. I’m from Ohio. I’m the ranking member of the House Small Business Committee. And back there, nonessential small businesses are shut down.

                  Without this legislation, it’s questionable whether they would reopen. Because of this legislation, they now have a great chance of that. And those people that work for small businesses, who are shuttered now, will be paid. That’s really important. This wouldn’t have passed without your leadership, Mr. President. Thank you.

                  THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much. And, you know, Eric worked so hard. You all know Eric. And he was at Steve’s side the whole way. And where is our man? Do I see Larry? Yeah, Larry. The two of them. How about Eric and then Larry say a couple of words and (inaudible.)

                  MR. UELAND: Well, thank you very much, Mr. President. I really appreciate it, and Mr. Vice President, as well. So you encouraged your team to be bold, be brave, and go big. And we certainly delivered today. (Laughter.) $6.2 trillion is tremendous. So we’ve made sure that we can reassure Americans that their paycheck is protected and that their earnings are protected. We’ve made sure that we can provide significant reinforcement to the American economy as a result of your leadership.

                  And, finally, looking ahead to address the virus, we’ve included significant resources in order to ensure that those therapies and ultimately that vaccine can come online as quickly as possible. So, protecting the public health and protecting the economic health of America is what you’ve directed us to do. And together, with the team, we’ve worked hard to deliver today.

                  Thank you very much, Mr. President.

                  THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much. And Steve is going to work very hard on getting the money out quickly, and hopefully it can be distributed very quickly, especially when they have some old computer equipment that they have to use. But you’re going to work on that very hard.

                  SECRETARY MNUCHIN: We are indeed.

                  THE PRESIDENT: Larry, please. Larry Kudlow.

                  MR. KUDLOW: Oh, thanks, sir. Just hats off to Mitch McConnell who did an amazing job, and House leadership as well. And I agree with the bipartisanship. I want to give special thanks to my friend Steven Mnuchin, who I think did an extraordinary job. We were up there helping him out in one spot or another. But he’s indefatigable and got it done.

                  And I’ll just say this, Mr. President: A few months ago, this economy was roaring and we’ve hit this — literally, this bug, this virus. And we will deal with it. And I think the assistance bill here, which does have growth incentives, will help lead us back to a very strong economic rebound before this year is over.

                  Thank you, sir.

                  THE PRESIDENT: I think that too. I think we’re going to have a tremendous rebound at the end of the year — toward the end of the year. I think we’re going to have a rebound like we have never seen before. Even now it wants to rebound. You can see it, feel it. It wants to rebound so badly.

                  And, you know, we’ve had those really big — I guess, the biggest-ever stock market surge two days ago. And yesterday, it was great. Three biggest days in the history of the stock market. It wants to rebound so badly, but we have to get rid of the bug, we have to get rid of the virus.

                  Now, I’m going to sign this, and it’s a great honor — $6.2 trillion. I’ve never signed anything with a “T” on it. (Laughter.) I don’t know if I can handle this one, Mitch. (Laughter.) We can’t chicken out at this point, can we?. (Laughter.) I don’t think so, huh?

                  All right. Thank you all.

                  (The CARES Act is signed.)

                  THE PRESIDENT: Good. I wanted them to be a nice signature. (Applause.) Come on, fellas. Come on over here. Elaine. What a job she’s doing with transportation. How’s transportation? Okay?

                  SECRETARY CHAO: Fine. You always talk about the supply chain.

                  THE PRESIDENT: I do.

                  SECRETARY CHAO: It’s really important.

                  THE PRESIDENT: I do.

                  SECRETARY CHAO: This bill is going to help the supply chain and the workers.

                  THE PRESIDENT: Anthony? Thank you. Thanks, Tony, very much. Bob Lighthizer, thank you very much. Bob was a little less involved in this. He’s too busy making trade deals.

                  Okay? You have one? You definitely have to have one. Go ahead. You’re all set.

                  Thank you, everybody. So we’re going to have a 5:30 news conference in the same location. Seems to be doing quite well. And we appreciate everything. And we really appreciate the fairness, at least from most of the press. We really do. Thank you very much, everybody. Thank you. Thank you very much.

                  Q Mr. President, there was that rare moment of agreement today between you and Senator Kerry over —

                  THE PRESIDENT: That’s right.

                  Q — this issue with Massie. Can you expand a bit on that?

                  THE PRESIDENT: Well, he made a little joke about a man named Congressman Massie. I thought he was totally out of line — Congressman Massie. Because of that, I guess a lot of people had to come back, and they had to go into a place, which, frankly, we’re not supposed to be at, you know, in light of — of what we’re doing with Deborah and Tony and all of the professionals.

                  So people had to come back, and just no reason for it. So John Kerry made a little joke out of it, and I agreed with his joke. And I said, I never knew he had that kind of a personality. But we actually put it up, and he was right.

                  Okay, we’ll see you in a couple of minutes, folks. Thank you very much.

                  END

                  4:33 P.M. EDT

                  1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

                    Pelosi unveils $3 trillion coronavirus relief plan amid squeeze from left and right

                    Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Democrats are planning to move ahead with a Friday vote on a $3 trillion package to respond to the coronavirus crisis, despite protests from progressives that the bill doesn’t go far enough.

                    President Donald Trump and Senate Republicans also object to the Democratic proposal, saying there hasn’t been enough time since the $2 trillion CARES Act passed to determine whether new legislation is needed or necessary.

                    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                      Whoops. Meant for sarc.

                    2. sarcasmic   9 months ago

                      Goalposts go WHOOSH!

                    3. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

                      How so, Sarckles?

                      Seems like exactly the same topic to me.

                    4. DesigNate   9 months ago

                      @sarc: it shows he wasn’t just spending like some drunken sailor and actually fought back against the Dems push for even more retarded spending.

                  2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                    So the one time you don't just link to google.com is to spam your TDS?

                    Thanks sqrsly.

                  3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

                    Sarc gets copy-pasta diarrhea.

                2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                  Trump actually initiated the tax cuts. He did not initiate the congressional covid bills. Pelosi and other democrats literally just spent a week saying they were responsible. Did he take credit? Yes. Would it have passed without him? Yes.

              2. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

                "Veto proof spending bill – fault of Congress."

                I'd just as soon see the actual veto on the record. "Hey, I did all I could do."

                1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                  Waste of time energy that would only give ammo to dishonest media and more granny in a wheelchair being pushed off a cliff shit.

                  1. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

                    Yeah, but if he had actually vetoed it, Sarc couldn't brandish the signature like a weapon.

                    1. sarcasmic   9 months ago

                      If he had actually vetoed it then I would have added that to the short list of positive accomplishments during his time in office.

                      I wouldn’t have to “brandish the signature like a weapon” if people like Jesse didn’t whine and cry about how it’s so unfair to blame him for legislation he signed when he was in fact a poor, poor victim who was forced into signing it by Pelosi and her evil minions. Poor poor Trump the victim. So unfair. Victim. Unfair.

                    2. VinniUSMC (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   9 months ago

                      If he had actually vetoed it, sarcjeff BlueAnons would have been harping on it for the past 6 years that "Trump doesn't care about America. He vetoed the BIG BEAUTIFUL BIPARTISAN bill!" And the DNC slobbering all over Harris would have hammered that point home hard, as Kamala is wont to do.

                      Democrats have only double standards.

                    3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                      Sarc would blame him either way. See how he even blames him for baseline budgeting from the Dems in Congress. Last week he was even saying the inflation would have not changed at all under Trump despite extra spending under Biden such as the IRA.

                      Sarc has TDS. No reason to push narratives to satiate him when he will find a way to argue against him anyways.

                    4. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

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                      If he had actually vetoed it then I would have added that to the short list of positive accomplishments during his time in office.

                      What. By saying it was accidental? Lol. Fucking clown.

                    5. sarcasmic   9 months ago

                      Sarc would blame him either way. See how he even blames him for baseline budgeting from the Dems in Congress. Last week he was even saying the inflation would have not changed at all under Trump despite extra spending under Biden such as the IRA.

                      Does someone pay you to make this shit up? Oh yeah. I do. We all do. When we pay taxes to fund your useless "job" as a government contractor.

                    6. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                      What was made up buddy?

                  2. Sometimes a Great Notion   9 months ago

                    Its a waste of time/energy fighting to protect the USA taxpayer? Doing anything to satisfy the dishonest media - face palm. They are scum of the earth who hate America, but he chose them over the average taxpayer?

                    And you wonder why I bash him.

                    1. sarcasmic   9 months ago

                      He could murder someone on live tv and his defenders would still justify it.

                    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                      How does meaningless actions protect tax payers? It would have still passed regardless.

                      Glad you care more about narratives than reality.

                      What is extra funny to me is I bet you’re also against Congress giving their power to the executive. Yet your argument right here is why they do, so they can pass the blame.

                      Just a warning. You see how sarc is agreeing with you? Hint hint.

                      Some of us prefer reality and want to point blame at the correct branch of said coequal branches.

                      I also blamed Paul Ryan for bowing his knee to Obamas shut downs.

                    3. sarcasmic   9 months ago

                      Some of us prefer reality and want to point blame at the correct branch of said coequal branches.

                      *spit take*

                    4. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                      Jeffs likes you spitting huh?

                2. DesigNate   9 months ago

                  That would be nice, but it kind of ignores the nature of electoral politics in an election year.

                  1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                    And would have ended with the exact same result.

            3. VinniUSMC (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   9 months ago

              SaGN's dead horse. Trump made a show of signing a big "bipartisan emergency" deal. Harris wants to make the CARES Act baseline. OrangeManBad!

            4. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

              Not defending him. Just tired of hearing how it’s ALL his fault. Even though it was supported by nearly all democrats, and lots of RINOs. So many that he couldn’t have stopped it.

      2. sarcasmic   9 months ago

        Inflation is defined by increasing prices, and the sole purpose of protectionist tariffs is to raise prices. So protectionist tariffs are by definition inflationary.

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

          Doesn't know supply shifts exist. But claims he knows economics. Doesn't realize tariffs are such a small part of government induced costs it is hilarious.

        2. DesigNate   9 months ago

          Stupid me, thinking inflation was due to an increase in the money supply.

          1. sarcasmic   9 months ago

            Inflation is defined as an overall increase in prices. The vast majority of the time the cause is an increase in the money supply. It can also be caused by a decrease in the supply of stuff, or taxes that are shifted to consumers.

            1. DesigNate   9 months ago

              So if I raise prices because I voluntarily decide to pay my employees more this year (thanks to record sales last year), that’s inflation?

              That seems like an asinine and quite frankly lazy definition.

              But in my research, it appears I was laboring under the old definition: https://www.clevelandfed.org/-/media/project/clevelandfedtenant/clevelandfedsite/publications/economic-commentary/1997/ec-19971015-on-the-origin-and-evolution-of-the-word-inflation-pdf.pdf

              1. sarcasmic   9 months ago

                So if I raise prices because I voluntarily decide to pay my employees more this year (thanks to record sales last year), that’s inflation?

                No, because that’s not an overall increase in prices. Things like tax hikes on imports when most of what we buy is imported or made from imported goods, or tax hikes on corporations when most of what we buy is from corporations, increase overall prices and cause inflation.

                As I said before, the vast majority of the time inflation is indeed caused by governments increasing the money supply. But not all of the time.

                1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                  Wait. Just above you're arguing tariffs on China creates an over all price increase. Which is it?

                  1. sarcasmic   9 months ago

                    There is no such thing as a tariff on China. China doesn’t pay the tariff. Poor people who buy cheap shit because it’s what they can afford pay the import tax.

                    Why do you attack people who oppose regressive, inflationary taxes?

                    Why do you continually defend higher taxes designed to raise prices for poor people?

                    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                      Wow. You’ve gone full retard. Need me to take you to google.com and enter China tariffs for you? Look at how dishonest you are.

                      Unless you’re an idiot you know what Chinese tariffs mean. Oh. Found the problem.

                      Your only intention here is to admit you didn't realize tariffs explicitly directed to Chinese goods don't effect the costs from supply not from China. But you're an idiot. So do you.

                2. DesigNate   9 months ago

                  Yeah, I completely glossed over “overall” so my bad on a shitty analogy.

                  However, I would note that tariffs on Chinese products wouldn’t raise overall prices, so I don’t agree they would be a cause of inflation.

                  1. sarcasmic   9 months ago

                    Trump says he wants tariffs on all imports, not just China. That will increase prices across the board.

                    1. Jefferson Paul   9 months ago

                      I haven't seen him promoting raising tariffs on ALL imports (not just China). I'm not saying you're wrong on this, but do you have a source for that claim?

                    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                      He is wrong on it. Even if you use google.com.

                    3. DesigNate   9 months ago

                      That’s great and all*, but he didn’t implement across the board tariffs, so the idea that targeted tariffs on Chinese goods from his first administration caused inflation is fallacious at best.

                      *Probably not actually great, but I 100% doubt he’d actually do it anyways.

              2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                Sarc is an asinine and lazy piece of shit. So this fits.

                He’s also a worthless drunk.

            2. R Mac   9 months ago

              Lol.

        3. But SkyNet is a Private Company   9 months ago

          No, no it. Neither is a 5cent bottle deposit, or a delivery fee

  15. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 months ago

    Much as I prefer Trump, his tariffs suck; one of his mistakes.
    Strangely, however, we're focused on the VP candidate, not the current POTUS who has increased those tariffs, nor the D POTUS candidate who proposes price controls across the entire spectrum of consumer goods.
    Do better Liz.

    1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

      Much as I prefer Trump, his tariffs suck; one of his mistakes.

      This is one of his worst aspects after his mRNA vaccine promotion.

      1. DesigNate   9 months ago

        You didn’t say that! None of the Trump cultist here say anything bad about Dear Leader!

        (Sarcasm just to be clear)

  16. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

    April 29, 2024: Three reasons why the ocean’s record-breaking hot streak is devastating

    August 14, 2024: The oceans are weirdly hot. Scientists are trying to figure out why

    August 19 2024: Part of the Atlantic is cooling at record speed and nobody knows why

    the equatorial Atlantic is cooling off more quickly than ever recorded, which could impact weather around the world

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 months ago

      "unsettled". VERY good book.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

        And likely to be banned, along with Koonin.

    2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

      Well, the Atlantic is a shitty publication. So I can see people cooling on it.

  17. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

    Donald Trump reveals he doesn’t want intelligence briefings so he can’t be accused of leaking classified information

    ‘I don’t want them, because, number one, I know what’s happening. It’s very easy to see what’s happening…
    So I don’t want that, because as soon as I get that, they’ll say that I leaked it.
    ‘So the best way to handle that situation is, I don’t need that briefing. They come in, they give you a briefing, and then two days later, they leak it, and then they say You leaked it.

    ‘So the only way to solve that problem is not to take it I don’t want it understood. I’ll have plenty of them when I get in.’

    Intelligence briefings have been given to presidential nominees ever since President Harry Truman introduced them in the early 1950s.

    They are designed to prepare candidates for office and ensure a smooth transition of power.

    The briefings are conducted by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

    And unlike the president’s daily brief, when the commander in chief is caught up on threats to the nation and other developments every morning, these tend to be one-off sessions as matters dictate.

    Former presidents are also generally offered the courtesy of briefings to keep them abreast of national security developments.

    However, in 2021 Biden said he had barred his successor from briefings because of his ‘erratic behavior.’

    'I just think that there is no need for him to have the intelligence briefings,’ he said, weeks after taking power.

    1. creech   9 months ago

      Gee, without intelligence briefings, how would a president ever find out about WMD being stockpiled in Iraq?

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   9 months ago

      https://www.huffpost.com/entry/harry-reid-trump-fake-briefings_n_57991916e4b01180b5317f6e

      https://www.businessinsider.com/intelligence-officials-purposely-withheld-info-from-former-president-trump-report-2022-8

      Why should Trump trust them?

    3. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

      However, in 2021 Biden said he had barred his successor from briefings because of his ‘erratic behavior.’

      Can Biden do that? Kamala can't get briefings? The word the DailyMail wanted here is predecessor.

      Trump is probably wise here. If he did get briefings now, in anticipation of possible election and for continuity, Democrats might very well leak them and then blame Trump. Not accepting the briefings until after he wins may be a wise move.

      But it all seems moot if Biden banned him from getting the briefings...

      1. VinniUSMC (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   9 months ago

        Kamala prefers debriefing.

      2. Jefferson Paul   9 months ago

        You beat me to it. I was going to comment that even in 2021, Biden knew Trump would get elected again and be his SUCCESSOR.

    4. mad.casual   9 months ago

      How dare a private individual running for office refuse to accept the Deep State's expertise about what Americans really value and need to defend!

      "Nothing of importance will happen today." - Intelligence Briefing for Aug. 15, 2021

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

        Impeach him for not doing what Alexander Vindman wants!

  18. Sometimes a Great Notion   9 months ago

    we desperately need a slur for people who don't understand markets

    You're a real Pelosi.

    1. Ajsloss   9 months ago

      More like a Warren.

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   9 months ago

        Stop being such a Sanders.

    2. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

      No, that’s if you re doing insider trading.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

        Understand markets or manipulate markets?

    3. Dillinger   9 months ago

      >>You’re a real Pelosi.

      not nice to make fun of a lady's face.

    4. Outlaw Josey Wales   9 months ago

      Are you Reichtarded?

      1. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

        Never go full Reichtard.

        1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

          It hasn’t worked out for Misek, based on his posts here. Also, he’s afraid to answer if he’s an Islamist or a neo Nazi.

  19. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

    The Department of Homeland Security put out its Information Technology Strategic Plan for 2024-2028. Guess what @DHSgov’s #1 goal is…

    It’s not to protect America and it’s not to advance our capabilities to beat our enemies. Nope.

    Their #1 stated goal is advancing DEI. Insane.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

      The US government mimicking KennedyWars High Republic whiteboard. Not a surprise, since they share the same left-wing political theology.

      “IT strategy needs diversity, dinosaurs, and diversity.”

  20. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

    tess
    @xsphi
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    we desperately need a slur for people who don’t understand markets

    I propose Boehm.

  21. TJJ2000   9 months ago

    Biden and the [D] party Falsely Claims that MORE spending (which = MORE domestic taxes & tariffs / THEFT) helps the people.

    If you think 0%-tax on imports and 80%-tax on domestic doesn’t hurt domestic production; UR a F’En IDIOT.
    The *real* issue is the spending.

    1. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

      Everyone knows the road to prosperity is paved with higher taxes!

      1. TJJ2000   9 months ago

        Sadly; It's more like "prosperity is paved in Gov-Gun hand-outs."
        And the obviousness of "higher taxes" is blatantly ignored.

  22. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

    Worst things about Trump and Vance?
    1. Retarded views about tariffs, promoted to placate selected constituencies, and if enacted, disruptive to trade.
    2. Not politically correct in speech and action.

    Worst things about Harris and Walz?
    1. Retarded views about tariffs, promoted to placate selected constituencies, and if enacted, disruptive to trade.
    2. Always inclined towards authoritarian state solutions and interference, from the micro to the macro.
    3. Intending to create a New Vision for the nation, and ready to impose that from top down.
    4. Driven by "equity" and inclined to redistribution, of material wealth and political power.
    5. Dedicated to identity politics and dismissive of individuals.
    6. Opposed to fundamental liberties.
    7. Eager to both support and take advantage of the entrenched security-surveillance state.
    8. Fans of unconstrained immigration.
    9. Really, really, really compassionate and caring, and ready to further perpetual childhood and responsibility-free life as our national ideal.
    10. Will do anything for unions. Anything.

    Gee, a tough decision.

    1. creech   9 months ago

      'Strategically, one wants to back Harris because one cannot stand the insults and 7th grade behavior of the dude on the other ticket."

      1. I, Woodchipper   9 months ago

        ^except for dedicated communists, this is always the reason. every time. The mean tweets defense is their main reason.

        1. windycityattorney   9 months ago

          It could be that the people don't want an immature man baby to be in charge of anything? Maybe people want something better to represent the U.S. and are embarrassed that someone who acts like a 7th grader is not FIT to be President? Is that so hard to believe? Unlike his first run against Hillary...he is now a known quantity. His immature nicknames for all his political opponents doesn't work anymore. Whatever charm it once had, has now wasted away and a near 80yr old man just sounds like a clown. Or a washed up rock band trying to play its old hits to a crowd thats heard it all before a million times and wants to hear something new.

          His speeches make him seem semi-retarded or at minimum a huge idiot. Unless he is talking about himself. Then he is just a narcissistic prick. All in all, its simply not presidential material that appeals to independents or moderates.

          1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

            “It could be that the people don’t want an immature man baby to be in charge of anything?”

            Mean tweets is why you’re going to vote for the authoritarian socialist puppet, got it.

            1. Ersatz   9 months ago

              windycityattourney prefers a woman who blows her way to being inserted into the position.

              …and are embarrassed that someone who acts like a 7th grader is not FIT to be President
              Yeah.. nothing spells dignity, someone you can be proud of, like a prez who gives blowjobs for political favors…. at least its less expensive for the country buying the favors than it was with her master-Bidens.

              1. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

                “Let’s elect the woman who was known as the impeachment insurance policy just a couple of months ago.”

            2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   9 months ago

              I think among the Reason crowd, and certain LP (non Mises) types, they root for the socialists to get control so they can complain more about substantial policy questions

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

            Maybe people want something better to represent the U.S. and are embarrassed that someone who acts like a 7th grader is not FIT to be President?

            Your side's entire MO is acting like 7th graders. Get the fuck out of here with that appeal to authority.

          3. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

            "His speeches make him seem semi-retarded or at minimum a huge idiot. "

            Because Kamala is such a great orator. She can't spontaneously put a sentence together without giggling or repeating words over and over and over and over.

            1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

              Doubt he has ever listened to one of his speeches.

              His legal analysis makes him sound like a 5th grader as well.

              1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                Know a lot of stupid attorneys, windy isn’t even that. He’s just another low information democrat moron. Likely a sock for one of the other faggot Marxists who shitpost here.

          4. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 months ago

            "It could be that the people don’t want an immature man baby to be in charge of anything?..."

            Slimy piles of lefty shit lie. It's what they do. They do so transparently and without shame.
            FOAD, steaming pile of TDS-addled lefty shit.

          5. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

            Was this your legal analysis?

          6. DesigNate   9 months ago

            I know, let’s put an immature woman baby in charge instead. Or better yet, let’s put in someone with obvious signs of dementia and then lie to the country for 3.5 years until he shits the bed in a debate HE called for, proving to the world that he doesn’t have the mental faculties to do his job.

            Oh wait…

          7. I, Woodchipper   9 months ago

            It could be that the people don’t want an immature man baby to be in charge of anything?

            Always this. All emotion, no facts. These people think they're voting on prom king, not the president.

          8. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

            So you want an immature, retarded slut who literally whored her way up the political ladder? The same one who is so retarded she’s been hiding for the last five weeks since she was undemocratically installed as her Marxist party’s nominee when no Democrat has ever cast a vote for her in a primary or any national election?

            Her speeches don’t just make her sound immature. They expose her subnormal IQ and complete lack of knowledge on any relevant subject.

    2. mad.casual   9 months ago

      You left out the unbroken line from (Clinton) to Obama, (to Clinton), to Biden, to Harris. All in line with the DNC.

      Trump served his own campaign and administration. Vance, until VP nomination, served only his own campaign. In no real way aligned with the GOP/GOPe.

    3. Super Scary   9 months ago

      Well I'm voting Chase because I don't want to be accused of being homophobic.

      1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

        I’m frequently told (mostly by Oliver himself, or sometimes by Pedo Jeffy) that Oliver is gay.

        1. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

          That dude is gay? Well, that changes everything!

          1. Jefferson Paul   9 months ago

            Watch chemjeff quote you as proof that all the Reason commenters are against Chase simply because he's gay. He'll leave out that your post was a sarcastic response to all of the times chemjeff has made that claim about everyone here.

  23. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

    'Thus began, in the middle of one of the most disorienting news cycles in recent memory, another in the middle of it, in which political pundits and everyone's mother were trying to figure out what exactly brat is and what it has to do with Harris.'

    Time to raise the voting age to 30. Or at least weigh votes by net taxes paid.

    1. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

      Nobody with a brain really cared about the brat thing.

      1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

        I’m not even sure what the hell ‘brat’ is supposed to be. Is it referring to the line of dolls, or her ability to open her throat to accommodate large sausages?

    2. I, Woodchipper   9 months ago

      it's not the age. it's the sex.

    3. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   9 months ago

      Or end woman's sufferage

    4. Vernon Depner   9 months ago

      I'd be satisfied with 25.

  24. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

    "J.D. Vance thinks Donald Trump's tariffs actually worked"

    Can we write "Tim Walz thinks Kamala Harris border actions actually worked"?

    1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

      He doesn't actually think that. He knows that he's telling a Walzhood.

      1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

        I like that. I’m going to borrow it.

  25. I, Woodchipper   9 months ago

    we desperately need a slur for people who don't understand markets

    Democrat

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

      Hey, I said that first!

    2. Vernon Depner   9 months ago

      Brats

  26. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

    "Six years after then-President Donald Trump signed the first tariffs and began a costly U.S.-China trade war, it's become clear that these tariffs are an abject policy and economic failure,"

    If they were so bad, you'd THINK Trump's sworn enemies would have revoked them immediately upon taking office themselves. Or at least SOMETIME, for the ability to say they undid his damage, of nothing else.

    I'm not defending the tariffs per se, but they can't be as bad as Reason is making them out to be if Biden & Harris and Democrats up and down the board haven't done a thing about them.

    Conversely, the fact that no one in the Democrat's administration has done anything about them, may mean that they support them, too. In which case they should they be called the Trump/Biden tariffs?

    1. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

      They actually increased some of them.

      https://www.cfr.org/article/weighing-bidens-china-tariffs

      1. I, Woodchipper   9 months ago

        the media is the enemy of the people and members of that class should be treated accordingly

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

          Fair enough, since the media see many people as their enemy.

        2. damikesc   9 months ago

          I loved Karl arguing with Tom Cotton over positions Kamala has changed.

          As Tom pointed out, repeatedly, SHE has not done anything. Anonymous people from her campaign said things. She did not do a damned thing.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

            Imagine George Bush running for President while acting like he wasn't around for the previous 8 years of Reagan and promising to "make things better." That's basically how Harris's team are operating, and the press is letting them run the playbook because they're political allies.

            1. damikesc   9 months ago

              Imagine the press LETTING him do it and pretending to be amazed he is getting away with it.

            2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

              The media isn’t reporting the news, they’re engaging in undisclosed campaign speech in violation of federal elections laws. Prosecute the for that, and attach RICO.

              Time to take the democrat’s toys away from them.

        3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

          I have a plan to throw most of them, and their corporate master in federal prison for decades. All based on proven violations of FEC laws and RICO.

  27. Dillinger   9 months ago

    >>I think economists really disagree about the effects of tariffs.

    why there is no correct in Theory.

  28. Dillinger   9 months ago

    >>we desperately need a slur for people who don't understand markets

    we definitely need a slur for chicks with pixie-elf avatars who throw mass shade

    1. Eeyore   9 months ago

      Dudes.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

      Retards.

  29. Truthteller1   9 months ago

    You can bleat and clutch all you like, but the tariffs were effective. This isn't a black or white issue.

  30. Dillinger   9 months ago

    >>If we get more tariffs, it's American consumers who will have to bear the consequences

    if you professional bullhorn web-types sit on your fucking hands while communists ascend to the throne of this beautiful land consumers will bear consequences.

    1. Eeyore   9 months ago

      How about Kamala's proposed 50% tax on all capital gains?

      1. Dillinger   9 months ago

        if Hollywood has filmed the movie where the communists win I haven't seen it so I'm hopeful ...

        1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

          Brave New World (1998)

          Nineteen Eighty-Four (1984)

          1. Dillinger   9 months ago

            yes, but Brits wrote those. I’m more Rocky IV this time …

        2. mad.casual   9 months ago

          Enemy At The Gates (2001) 🙂

          1. Dillinger   9 months ago

            John Glenn deserved it that time.

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

        Look. This is reason. Only tariffs increase costs on Americans. Got it?

        1. Dillinger   9 months ago

          lol you will feel the Joy! and you will like it.

  31. Dillinger   9 months ago

    >>The founder and CEO of the messaging service Telegram was detained at a Paris airport

    this should be the seven paragraphs not some tariff shot as though the goal is impressing Boehm

    1. Eeyore   9 months ago

      Possibly orchestrated by the US deep state?

      1. Dillinger   9 months ago

        the coverage-deflection around here is cia-level ala wikipedia … so maybe?

    2. damikesc   9 months ago

      Indeed. This should be a HUGE issue for the editors here.

      It's not dissimilar to their lack of outrage over the ignoring of property rights to pursue "criminal justice reform".

      Libertarians need to stand by the alleged beliefs they possess.

      1. Dillinger   9 months ago

        probably. I try to let people come to their own conclusions I have a new assistant who is having difficulty in this area lol

  32. Dillinger   9 months ago

    >>Israeli forces destroyed thousands of Hezbollah missile launchers ... in what it termed a preemptive strike.

    ya the Talmud is probably preemptive to anything Hezbollah has going on

    1. damikesc   9 months ago

      Hezbollah is hitting the FO part REALLY hard now.

      Nothing worse than somebody starting a fight than crying when they lose it.

  33. Dillinger   9 months ago

    >>Charli XCX, who reports that she wasn't really trying to make a political statement

    or a Roman numeral one either.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

      Wait, didn't the Romans own slaves?

      1. Moonrocks   9 months ago

        Yes, but they were super progressive on homosexual relationships..

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

          But shit for feminists.

        2. Vernon Depner   9 months ago

          Akshually....they had strict rules about homosexual relationships between citizens. Of course, with slaves it was anything goes.

  34. Dillinger   9 months ago

    >>political pundits and everyone’s mother were trying to figure out what exactly brat is and what it has to do with Harris.

    Barry Sanders level head-fake.

    edit: which we still seem to be falling for here ahem ahem communists ahem constitution ahem

  35. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 months ago

    "...Nicola Twilley, author of Frostbite: How Refrigeration Changed Our Food, Our Planet, and Ourselves, says this expansion of the world’s “distributed winter” has wide-ranging climate implications..."

    WOLF! WOLF! WOLF! See the big, bad WOLF?!
    FOAD Ms. Twilley.

  36. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

    Did France just have a coup?

    Arnaud Bertrand @RnaudBertrand
    Quite an incredible move in French politics today that might reveal that we’re in fact witnessing nothing less than a coup by Macron.

    Let me explain

    You’ll remember that on the 7th of July France held elections that Macron lost badly, and which the left’s “New Popular Front” won.

    We’re now 48 days afterwards and Macron and his government are still running the country, they’ve basically ignored the election results which is unprecedented in the history of the French 5th republic.

    Normally, as is the rule set by precedents, Macron should have nominated a Prime Minister from the New Popular Front, the winners of the elections.

    At first Macron argued that it wasn’t convenient to change government right before the Olympics games and argued for an “Olympics truce”.

    Which is a bit bizarre because he’s the one who decided to hold the elections right before the Olympics

    Anyhow we’re now almost 2 weeks after the end of the Olympics and the situation is still the same so everyone is started to ask “wtf?”

    Especially given that the New Popular Front has a Prime Minister ready: Lucie Castets, a senior public servant.

    Now the excuse by Macron’s camp is that they refuse a government with anyone from LFI (“France’s unbowed”, Mélenchon’s party), the main party on the left and therefore the main party in the New Popular Front coalition (Lucie Castets is not from LFI but some ministers could be).

    This forces Macron’s hand: if he says “no”, as Mélenchon himself wrote, it’d show that Macron’s refusal to have LFI in the government is “just a pretext to deny the election results”.

    In effect if he says no, he openly admits that he just doesn’t accept the election results.

    Olivier Faure, who leads the Socialist party (the other big political force in the New Popular Front) backs up Mélenchon and says the “pretext of the presence of LFI ministers” isn’t valid anymore.

    In a way a New Popular Front government without LFI would in itself a denial of democracy because most voters voted for them *because* LFI was part of the coalition.

    But this is also an act of political courage by Mélenchon and a way to put Macron in front of his contradictions.

    We’ve already had some of Macron’s lieutenants reply such as Benjamin Haddad (former spokesperson for Macron’s party in the French parliament) who literally says that a New Popular Front government is unacceptable either way because it’d be bad for France.

    They get to decide this?

    Let’s see what Macron ultimately does but we’re truly witnessing something extraordinary that demonstrates how undemocratic France has become: the people voted and the result of their vote is so far simply rejected because those holding power don’t like it…

    I got this community note in the thread, which is NOT true. In the elections of 2022 – the prior ones – Macron’s party arrived first without winning a majority yet Macron didn’t hesitate to nominate a Prime Minister from his own party

    Another extraordinary comment on this matter by François Bayrou, a former Macron minister and a famous centrist politician in France:

    He literally says that the answer to Mélenchon’s question is “of course no” (i.e. a New Popular Front government won’t be accepted no matter what) because the program of the NFP is “very dangerous” for France.

    There you have it, he said the quiet part out loud: folks who lost the elections refuse to leave power in favor of those who won it because they disagree with the policies the winners would enact, and they believe they’re the ultimate judge for how the country should be governed.

    Absolutely unreal.

    1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

      If Trump makes it past the margin of fraud, watch for this to happen in the US.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 months ago

        Pretty sure the TDS-addled claim Trump did this the last election; he's at fault for everything leakin' Joe's managed to fuck up, right?

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

        They've already admitted, on video, that they're willing to start a civil war over it.

    2. Dillinger   9 months ago

      >>Did France just have a coup?

      l'agitation de Francais is the most delicious of all.

  37. Bill Dalasio   9 months ago

    I've no doubt that tariffs are a net drain of the economy. That's pretty much textbook intro economics. But, in addition to efficiency effects, there are also distributive effects. Even if the losses to others outstrip their gains, some people do, in fact, benefit. And the beneficiaries here are likely the losers on other government reforms. And the distribution of adverse consequence of those reforms sure doesn't look very fair to those people.

    Yeah, maybe it isn't right that the semi-skilled factory worker in Michigan or Ohio gets his job protected by tariffs at everyone else's expense. But, I don't think you're going to have much luck appealing to his better angels when you're subsidizing massive waves of unskilled illegal immigrant labor to undercut his wage demands, providing massive subsidies to higher ed to finance a permanent bureaucracy, flooding the economy with debased money to benefit the first to access (i.e. Cantillon effect), and issuing mandates to improve the labor market for the managerial-technocratic class.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

      It's one thing to argue that tariffs shouldn't be in place because they're a de facto tax on goods. It's another to argue that we shouldn't have any when every other country freely imposes their own irrespective of what we do. Unilateral "free trade" isn't really free trade, it's just allowing other nations to protect their own labor economy while we supposedly can't import enough third world labor to work all the shit-tier service jobs we keep producing in proportion to their arrival.

      Plus, COVID supply chain shortages should have been a lesson learned, not a lesson acquired, on why having a robust manufacturing sector is as much a national security issue as it is an economic one. Imagine the US fighting World War II while relying on Germany to supply its steel, and you have a similar situation with the US and China. That was the main reason Japan attacked the US, because we cut off the oil we were providing them and they had nothing to replace it.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

        Most people have never worked in an industrial capacity and don't realize supply chain risks are booked as a liability.

  38. Bipedal Humanoid   9 months ago

    People do not choose to buy imported goods. They buy imported goods because they no longer have a choice. Politicians and hyena globalists took the other options away long ago. Do not pretend like Americans would CHOOSE to buy China over USA even with options. Many, many would not. Leftist globalist boners just want you to believe that so they can continue to decimate our country like locusts.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

      In our house, we make a concerted effort to try to NOT buy things from China or made in China. If we can buy something from not-China and the price difference is not huge, we'll do that. Hard to get everything from not-China, and sometimes the not-China price is so far out of whack we give in or go without. Amazon et al. make it hard if not impossible to search for not-China.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

        I almost never buy from China anymore. Why buy something that will break in half the time for 10% savings. Long run you lose.

      2. Bipedal Humanoid   9 months ago

        I agree and do the same.

  39. Truthteller1   9 months ago

    This article is full of half baked opinion and half truths, for every tariff naysayer I can find you a proponent. Tariffs are targeted, there will be winners and losers, this article lacks the context necessary to come to to any objective conclusion.

  40. MJBinAL   9 months ago

    These articles about tariffs are all the same, and all pretty stupid. The assumption is that the economic value of tariffs is the only issue on the table. This assumption is childish and superficial.

    When another nation uses economics as a targeted tool in support of military goals they are always using your greed for artificially cheap goods as method to gain leverage.

    When your smart weapons are all dependent on raw materials from a nation whose eventual goal is to defeat and subjugate you, the argument posed in this, and nearly every article on Reason about tariffs is absurdly childish. How much will you enjoy cheap goods as part of another nations empire?

    It is NECESSARY that we maintain the ability to produce everything we need in the event of conflict. Indeed, this ability is a key issue in the prevention of war. Making yourself unable to defend yourself is an invitation to surrender, or lose at low cost to your opponent.

    Those who advocate for this are “the enemy within” whether they intentionally mean harm or not. Nothing is more expensive than stupid, with the exception of stupid AND greedy.

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

      I'll need to find the article, but around 2004 one of China's foreign economic leaders openly admitted China was subsidizing and encouraging factories to come to China at a loss to the country to undermine the global manufacturing base, at which point they would take over all the markets and trade. And we saw this example during Covid.

  41. Social Justice is neither   9 months ago

    Trump did not start the trade war, China and their practices did. JFC you see any response to aggressive action by others as the cause and not as the response it is.

    1. TJJ2000   9 months ago

      Actually US Democrats did.
      The [Na]tional So[zi]alist spending egg has come home to roost.
      It's really that simple.
      WHO ends up paying that bill is the only argument left of substance.

      Is the answer: To tax Domestic for it all while giving China importers ZERO tax or split that bill fairly.

  42. AT   9 months ago

    we desperately need a slur for people who don't understand markets

    Democrats.

  43. Landjo   9 months ago

    Rather than disputing such basic and obvious economic insights, should the question not rather be if and how the benefits outweigh the costs? Surely there must be a sensible, although I like to think disputable, rationale somewhere?

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