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Social Security

The U.S. Can't Afford To Cut Taxes on Social Security Benefits

The campaign promise from Donald Trump sounds nice, but it would be disastrous when considering the program is already racing toward insolvency.

Veronique de Rugy | 8.8.2024 12:01 AM

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Former President Donald Trump promised to cut taxes on Social Security benefits if he wins the 2024 election. (Tom Williams/CQ Roll Call/Newscom)

Social Security is facing enormous shortfalls. It is insolvent. Within the next 10 years, no one will be able to avoid this reality—despite decades of politically expedient denial. Yet as of today, both presidential candidates, Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump, have announced they won't touch the program. In fact, Trump wants to make it even more insolvent by lifting taxes seniors pay on benefits.

Don't get me wrong, I love lower tax rates. I also believe the current tax structure on benefits creates a large incentive for seniors who may want to reenter the workforce to choose not to do so. And these types of work disincentives in the tax code are bad. While reducing Social Security taxes may encourage some seniors to go back to work, it will in turn cause more dramatic problems if not paired with reform to Social Security benefits, something neither Trump nor Harris cares to recognize.

Social Security is in a big financial mess as it is. Current benefit taxes bring in about $87 billion in revenue each year, in addition to the payroll tax revenue. Even still, Social Security is insolvent. Currently, it is projected that the main Social Security trust fund will dry out by 2033. According to the Committee for a Responsible Budget, exempting Social Security benefits from taxation would move that date forward to 2032 (it will also dry up the Medicare trust fund six years sooner).

Why should you care? Because law requires that when insolvency happens, Social Security benefits will have to be cut by 23 percent unless Congress reforms the program.

If Congress and the administration decide to maintain the benefits and pay for them with borrowed funds, the U.S. Treasury will have to borrow $39 trillion over 30 years (on top of $77 trillion borrowed for Medicare). This, of course, will be in addition to the already large deficits and debt we have incurred. That shortfall will be even larger without taxes on benefits. It is worth remembering that insolvency is in fact the reason why these taxes were adopted in the first place. The decision to tax benefits didn't happen until 1983, when the program was already in financial trouble. Additional taxes, and an increase in the payroll tax, were seen as necessary means to keep the program solvent.

Congress, however, should have reformed the program more fundamentally back then. The way the program was initially designed baked in eventual insolvency. But Congress took a more politically convenient, less responsible route. Today, we are paying the price for this political cowardice.

Lifting taxes on Social Security benefits would also be very unfair. Contrary to common belief, seniors are overrepresented in the top income quintile. As Brian Riedl wrote, "Seniors have the lowest poverty rate of any age group, and their average household incomes have grown four times as fast as the average worker since 1980." Comparatively, younger people currently paying for seniors' benefits are more likely to be in the bottom of the income distribution. In this way, Social Security redistributes benefits from lower- to higher-income Americans. Lifting taxes would make this inequality even worse.

Besides, seniors are already getting more in Social Security benefits than they paid in. According to an Urban Institute calculation, a married couple with two average earners retiring in 2025 will receive $831,000 in benefits over their lifetime but will have paid "only" $783,000 into the program—all adjusted into net present value. The bottom line is that some seniors could absolutely absorb a reform in benefits. Lifting taxes on these relatively well-to-do seniors instead is a slap in the face for younger and poorer current workers.

The bottom line is that exempting Social Security benefits from taxation is a bad idea. So why propose it? Because politicians get rewarded when they promise to enrich voters, including showering them with cash. A new paper by the American Enterprise Institute's Stan Veuger, UCSD's Jeffrey Clemens, and UCLA's Julia Payson looks at pandemic-era spending and shows that politicians are rewarded at the ballot box for doling out deficit-financed benefits and making future generations pay the price.

Whatever role voters play in this mess, the greatest threat to Social Security isn't the current tax structure—it's willful political denial of the program's impending insolvency. By addressing these challenges head-on sooner rather than later, we can preserve the integrity of the system and uphold the intergenerational compact that has long been at the heart of Social Security. The time for meaningful reform is now, before the financial realities force far more drastic and painful measures in the future.

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  1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

    The bottom line is that exempting Social Security benefits from taxation is a bad idea.

    Lower income taxes are always good. I do not exist to fund the government’s excessive spending.

    1. MoreFreedom   2 years ago

      I agree. The real bottom line is that we've elected a bunch of Democrats and RINOs to Congress who want to spend more and more of our money, and it's spending that needs to be seriously cut.

      Further, IMHO, Trump knows he can't stop Congress from their spending spree, and chooses his battles wisely.

      He can't attack them on spending because they'll overrule him, but he can attack their spending by pushing for tax cuts (aka. starve the beast), and he can also take away the political benefits of their "economic stimulus spending" by insisting it goes directly to taxpayers rather than bailing out banks and big business. Pelosi hated it when Trump redirected their stimulus from government spending going to big business/non-profits (where the politicians get kickbacks in the form of campaign donations) to the people.

      IMHO, Trump knows government spending doesn't stimulate the economy (just the politicians' personal economies), but he can't stop Congress from doing it.

      1. Stupid Government Tricks   2 years ago

        He still ought to veto every spending bill they send him. Put them on record for their spending bills. Make them override his veto on every single spending bill, until they either eventually cut spending so much that the budget is balanced, or that enough RINOs and Dems get fed up with it and take the responsibility into their own hands.

        1. prfd1   2 years ago

          Blue state government

  2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

    a married couple with two average earners retiring in 2025 will receive $831,000 in benefits over their lifetime but will have paid “only” $783,000 into the program—all adjusted into net present value.

    No interest was earned during that time? And you want me to give them more money?

    1. Stuck in California   2 years ago

      Just a quick bit of typing, if I put that 783K in starting ONLY 20 years ago. That'd be just over 3250 per month (783K / 20 / 12 = 3262.5)

      If I just let it sit in an S&P index while adding to it each month, the compound interest calculator says I have more than 1.6 million. And that was at a conservative 7%, the S&P has beaten that long term by a longshot, typically by a couple of points, which would give 2 million for that amount invested over 20 years.

      Even if I was forced to have a very conservative investment of 5% I'd still be 1.3 million at 20 years.

      The reason I chose 20 years was to simulate backloading it, like you don't contribute squat in your 20s, start doing better in your 30s, your peak earnings are 40s and 50s. If you're dividing that evenly over 30 years you'd have 2.6 million at 7%, 9% would be nearly 4 million. Even 5% would be 1.8 million.

      S&P return over the last 30 years is a touch over 10%.

      So, yeah, fuck you with your "I get less than I put in it" shit De Rugy. I got my money taken then wasted is what I got.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        It's not 800k that got deposited when you turned 18. You're on the right track, but completely financially illiterate.

        -Not ML

        1. defaultdotxbe   2 years ago

          That's not how he did his calculations, he assumed $3,250 deposited monthly over a period of 20 years.

          If you spread the same investment out over 45 years it becomes $1,450 per month, and well over 5 million when you retire.

        2. Stupid Government Tricks   2 years ago

          I'm late to TFA but I did similar calculations. You can download CSV files of all your SSA payroll deductions, and all the DJIA and S&P 500 annual returns. The SP 500 started in 1926, so I ran my deductions through a calculator, starting every year since 1926, and compared a 5% withdrawal to what SSA says I'd get; this was several years ago pre-COVID inflation.

          The worst starting year came up with 96% of the SSA payout. All the rest were 3-7 times as much. And that's with withdrawing only half the annual yield. SSA is a ripoff not only as a Ponzi scheme, but for the amount of money it loses for pensioners and the government.

    2. NM Dave   2 years ago

      Actually, no interest was earned because the money wasn't invested. It was spent on payments to seniors just a few months later. The same government that does this to us would send fund managers to prison for doing the same thing, correctly calling it a "Ponzi Scheme"

      1. markm23   2 years ago

        Think about it. If the money _was_ invested by a government agency, I expect the investments would be a bonus to the most influential crony capitalists, and the earnings would be negative. A Ponzi scheme is the least bad way to run a government pension plan.

  3. Overt   2 years ago

    I get what they are all saying, and believe me I hate Social Security. But the simple fact is that Social Security will be reformed when it runs out of money by increasing the age of eligibility. This is the expected path modeled by pretty much every single financial planner out there. Go to Fidelity and use their automated financial planning tool, and it already has a counter that allows you to change what age you begin taking social security benefits. Financial planners make their money off of giving you a plan- if they felt that social security insolvency was an unsolved variable, they would be modeling it with some risk that you get nothing.

    Again, I would love something on the order of what Chase Oliver is proposing- phase out social security with a graduated system that allows younger and younger people to put more of their money into the system, while using the employer portion of the benefits to pay for existing retirees until they die off. But that isn't going to happen, and any declaration that we must or there will be doom and gloom comes off as disingenuous to pretty much anyone who has been paying attention to these dire predictions for the past 30 years.

    FWIW: Lowering taxes on SS benefits could also be paid for by raising the age of retirement.

    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      That's not going to happen. Raising the retirement age would result in widespread destitution among those too old to work but not old enough to collect benefits. Most older people cannot simply choose to work longer—either they simply can't work due to the disabilities of old age, or no one will hire them, for the real reasons that their physical and mental abilities have declined and their skills have become obsolete.

      1. Incunabulum   2 years ago

        1. That is simply not true. The vast majority of Americans are perfectly capable of working at 65, even 70. I work with some of them.

        2. There are disability programs for those unable to work.

        3. We are funding some arseholes RV trips across the country, not keeping grandpa from starving.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

          I worked for a little over a year after my full retirement age of 66 and 4 months. My business involved hard physical labor and I could no longer pass the required licensing physical. My body is worn out and that is not going to change. Some people can work into their seventies but a lot of us can't.

          1. defaultdotxbe   2 years ago

            Exactly, and even if there is a desk job or something else nonphysical you could continue to do, its not something you have any training or experience in, so you'd be going all the way back down to an entry level position and thus making significantly less money. And on top of that, many people simply aren't able to make a total career change that late in life regardless of what work they are still able to do.

            1. Overt   2 years ago

              The maximum SS benefit for someone retiring at age 65 is $41,000 a year. That's less than $20 per hour. For comparison, the average wage of a Walmart greeter is $13 per hour...just for standing there and greeting people. There are ample opportunities for people willing to work.

              My first job was running a call center for a home warranty company. Half our staff was guys from the contracting industry who could negotiate with the contractors bidding for repairs. In today's dollars, they were making $60,000 a year...to sit on their ass and argue with contractors. And that's before overtime if they worked holidays or weekends.

              For the vast amount of people, they won't have a choice- The age of drawing benefits will be slowly raised. Older people today will not ever care. But people currently 10 years away from retirement should be planning to retire at 67. (For the record, many people do this today- by deferring your retirement to 70, your benefits go up to 58k a year- a 17% increase.)

              1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

                There are ample opportunities for people willing to work.

                Bullshit.

          2. Overt   2 years ago

            And as incunabulum said, disability rules allow persons like yourself to take social security early- assuming you can't transfer to something like walmart greeter for a few years.

            I have a lot of family who work in the construction industry. Some have already taken disability. Others have continued to work. Others are on retirement, but work as handymen to supplement their income. None of them counted on Social Security to be their only means of survival in retirement.

        2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          "1. The vast majority of Americans are perfectly capable of working at 65, even 70."
          Bullshit. And even if they are capable, employers are extremely reluctant to hire them, usually for good reasons.
          "2. There are disability programs for those unable to work."
          But simply being unable to work due to the vicissitudes of old age or being too old to get hired anywhere are not considered disabilities.
          "3. We are funding some arseholes RV trips across the country, not keeping grandpa from starving."
          Which is why I favor scrapping SS and replacing it with a means-tested welfare program for the elderly.

      2. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

        Thank you, excellent analysis.

    2. defaultdotxbe   2 years ago

      It will be "reformed" by supplementing with deficit spending, and maybe increasing/eliminating the income cap on payroll taxes.

      The financial planning software lets you raise the retirement age not because they expect the retirement age to go up, but because it's already variable. You can start collecting SS as early as age 62, or wait until 67 when the full benefit vests, or wait even longer if you are still working.

      1. Overt   2 years ago

        And the models allow you to shift the retirement benefits of social security. Yes, today if you wait until 70 you get about a 20% bump over retiring at 62. But the models on Fidelity also allow you to model what would happen if the full benefits didn't start until 70. They do this because every analyst and congress critter knows this is the plan. They have the studies that were produced back in 2004 when Bush was trying to reform the program, and everyone decided it wasn't a big deal.

    3. n00bdragon   2 years ago

      Financial planners make their money off of giving you a plan- if they felt that social security insolvency was an unsolved variable, they would be modeling it with some risk that you get nothing.

      Financial planners also, as a rule, do not give you advice based on hypothetical legal scenarios, particularly ones years out into the future. You can't just magically solve the problem in your head and then give people advice on what to do in the event that someone else will solve the problem that way. So while the problem of social security may be outstanding and the final outcome may be predictable to some extent, proper financial modeling requires the advisor to assume that everything will continue as it currently does.

  4. Eeyore   2 years ago

    We could also start taxing public elementary school education as a taxable benefit.

    1. Let's Please NOT Hang Mike Pence!   2 years ago

      Ha! I can trump THAT!

      We could also start taxing the oxygen that we breathe as a taxable benefit!

      1. Eeyore   2 years ago

        Don't forget to tax the oxygen used to burn the gas in your car. Then we could tax the use of internal combustion twice. Once per pound of oxygen consumed, and another time per pound of carbon produced. Or each CO2 molecule could be taxed 3 times, once for each atom.

      2. Eeyore   2 years ago

        Food stamps should be taxable at the 14% social security tax rate. There is no payroll to tax the 7% half, so treat people on public assistance as independent contractors.

  5. Jokibif0   2 years ago

    Why do you compare what seniors "paid in" to the program with what they get out? You *KNOW* that's not how Social Security works! What today's seniors "paid in" got "pain out" long ago to people who were seniors when today's seniors were young. Social Security isn't an IRA, though lots of people seem to think it is. Please don't feed this misunderstanding.

    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      Yes. It's a negative wealth transfer from young, low-income black and brown men to old, rich, white women.

      1. Overt   2 years ago

        This is why shifting to a consumptive tax is so attractive. Retirees not only get massive entitlements paid to them by youth, but their income structure means they pay very little in income taxes for the effort.

        On the other hand, if they had to pay the same level of taxes on their cruises in the Mediterranean and weekends in Palm Springs, it would be vastly more fair.

        1. Stupid Government Tricks   2 years ago

          Consumption taxes are almost as intrusive as income taxes. The reason some states limit yard sales and flea markets is to prevent dodging sales taxes. Then there's wholesale vs retail fraud.

          The ONLY tax which can be anonymous is a property tax. Yes, it's a wealth tax, but not on all wealth, only on land, and the government doesn't even have to know who owns it or who pays the tax. All they care about is that it's paid. As for assessment, make it self-assessed, report it when sold, don't allow collecting insurance over the self-assessed value, provide a bounty for the seller if the buyer misreports it. There are any number of ways, and it avoids a whole lot of intrusion and corruption.

  6. Incunabulum   2 years ago

    Cut the taxes - the faster this bitch burns to the ground, the faster we can clear the rubble.

  7. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

    Current benefit taxes bring in about $87 billion in revenue each year, in addition to the payroll tax revenue.

    Joe increases IRS budget by 80B. Found your answer.

  8. docduracoat   2 years ago

    The taxes on ss benefits do not go to shore up social security.
    They go into the general tax fund.
    Where they are then sent to Ukraine and to fund the increase the number of IRS agents.
    So we can certainly afford to forego these taxes.
    Just stop sending trillions to Ukraine and stop funding more IRS agents.

    The ss problem will be solved by reducing benefits by 20%.

    I cannot tell you how much I would have like to put my social security taxes into an s and p index fund.
    I would have over a million dollars in my fund

  9. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

    “Whatever role voters play in this mess, the greatest threat to Social Security isn’t the current tax structure—it’s willful political denial of the program’s impending insolvency.”

    Which will continue because the voters do not want to hear it, as they have ben lied to about the nature of Social Security all their lives. Which means the crisis will not be dealt with until the very last minute. It is the inherent weakness of a democracy that builds a welfare state apparatus.

    1. Roberta   2 years ago

      How have other countries dealt with it?

      1. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

        Where do you think that they have dealt with it?

  10. Longtobefree   2 years ago

    No worries. Eliminate the department of education.
    Tax cut paid for in full.

  11. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

    The 87.5 billion dollar "cost" of letting people keep their money sounds like a lot until you figure that the federal government spends more than that in a single week. Barely a rounding error.

    1. JenK   2 years ago

      But it’s not their money. It’s money that’s being taken from current workers and given to them. If we were going to let people keep their money SS recipients would get nothing at all. It sucks that their money got taken in the past, but that doesn’t make current workers’ money rightfully theirs.

  12. shadydave   2 years ago

    "We've got to figure out some way to repair the structural deficiencies in this Ponzi scheme"

  13. T.H. Steady   2 years ago

    The libertarian case for higher taxes.

    Guys, just admit it: Reason is going all in on "reluctantly" but full-throatedly supporting the California Statist and her Marxist running mate.

    1. middlefinger   2 years ago

      No shit

      Taxing a tax is a good thing!

    2. Patrick Henry, the 2nd   2 years ago

      Seriously I was confused and thought I was reading Vox for a second!!

      We 100% should not be taking social security benefits. The government can afford it - they just need to cut spending. Its not hard!

  14. CE   2 years ago

    What happened to “taxed enough already”?

    The SS Ponzi Scheme is insolvent either way — why tax people on a benefit they were already taxed to pay out?

    Either benefits will have to be cut (politically untenable) or the SS program will have to be funded like every other government program — from the general fund, by adding to the 35 trillion dollar national debt. Call it a "reverse trust fund" or something.

  15. Djmcg55   2 years ago

    Social Security is in trouble because the politicians have raped it for their pet projects. Taxing SS benefits is placing A tax on a tax, as those benefits are a return on payroll taxes previously paid.

  16. BYODB   2 years ago

    At a certain point, you have to ask yourself if there is any actual way to make the program 'solvent' and if the answer is 'no' is it worth trying it anyway?

    My generation will likely pay more into SS than we ever receive as a benefit, which is notably worse than the already terrible option of a savings account with effectively negative interest rates once you account for inflation.

  17. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

    Trump's idea is a nonstarter and is simply thrown out to draw in his marks. Social Security does need reform but more complex reform than most politicians are willing to do. Regarding taxes, I would like to see Social Security off the income tax forms for simplification of the tax code. I rather the government pay a lower amount and then not tax it at all. Currently for most people 85% is taxed. So, just take my SS check pay me 15% at 100% and then the remaining 85% less the average tax rate. No point in the government paying with one hand and taking back with another.

  18. TJJ2000   2 years ago

    What do you mean 'Socialist' Security doesn't work?
    Wasn't it suppose to work this time? /s

    Gosh people are F'En idiots. How many paths down this cursed ideology has to be taken before people realize the only humane government is one that ensure Liberty and Justice for everyone; not making excuses and exceptions for identity status (old, poor, etc, etc, etc). It's exactly how German [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism] turned into such a nightmare. It wasn't 'boom' we have gas chambers. It was a progression of socialism that couldn't sustain itself because Gov-Gun 'armed-theft' is a net negative until finally the gas-chambers came along to try and sustain the failed cursed ideology.

  19. One-Punch_Man   2 years ago

    “”Seniors have the lowest poverty rate of any age group, and their average household incomes have grown four times as fast as the average worker since 1980.””

    Yeah do median. Most seniors aren’t at poverty rate – true. Most aren’t well off either. Most americans don’t plan for retirement so they live off social security.

    I'm gen X. I don't plan on SS being there.

    For me, I’m paying for my mom. Even with her small 401k amount, $800 dollars plus social security, she is barely making it with me sending money every month. Is she traveling? no. Buying new cars ? No. Her house is only like 400 dollars in PA per month.
    It’s everything else. My dad and her were blue collar.

    Talking to her friend most 8 out of 10 are that way.

    Reasons love to say seniors are rich and young workers are poor. Yes young workers are poor because they are just starting while older have houses as an assets.

    1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

      1000000000000000000000000 excuses why one can’t maintain their own life.
      100000000000000000 ways it can be done, is done everyday.

    2. JenK   2 years ago

      It’s good of you to help out your mom.

  20. StevenF   2 years ago

    The ESSENTIAL premise of this article is false. What the US can't afford is SPENDING. The amount of taxes collected IS NOT the issue.

  21. Steve Bird   2 years ago

    “…Politicians are rewarded at the ballot box for doling out deficit-financed benefits and making future generations pay the price.”

    Please stop perpetuating this “future generations” nonsense. If I run out and finance a new boat, a new Mercedes, and max out all my credit cards, I’m not “burdening future generations”–I’m screwed *next month.*

    Uncle Sam’s pending insolvency is not just a problem for our great-great-grandchildren. Social Security faces automatic cuts in about a decade if something isn’t done. Realistically, that “something” is likely to be a change to current law, allowing the shortfalls to be financed through additional debt. But that’s its own problem–and doesn’t address the issue of solvency. The federal government can’t keep borrowing the way it has the past decade and a half. It’s not a question of whether or not it’s a good idea–it literally *can't.* There will come a point when the appetite for US treasury securities will be maxed out.

  22. Mike Hansberry   2 years ago

    The OP wrote: "The way the program was initially designed baked in eventual insolvency."

    Not simply insolvency, it was designed as a time bomb planted by socialists/communists to tear apart the country when social security eventually goes belly up. If you follow the comments on the topic of social security insolvency, you see what is coming. There is a huge swath of the public that will clamor for the government to force the "wealthy" to hand over their earnings.

    "Tax the rich, feed the poor, until there are no rich no more" is a line from a Tens Years After song. But is also pretty much the socialist playbook. When they have destroyed the american middle class then they can have their revolution.

    Liberals 60 years ago: Do not ask what the country can do for you, Ask what you can do for your country.

    Today: Demand more, riot if you do not get it.

  23. Art Gecko   2 years ago

    Taxing SS benefits is just a shell game that creates more jobs for bean counters.

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