J.D. Vance Has Changed a Lot Since the Days of Hillbilly Elegy
Untangling the roots of Vance's odd political evolution.

Vice-presidential nominee J.D. Vance's book, Hillbilly Elegy, came out in 2016—a few months before Donald Trump won a surprising presidential victory thanks in part to widespread support from within the Appalachian hollers that Vance wrote about. Although he grew up in southwestern Ohio, Vance's family was from the mountains of hard-scrabble eastern Kentucky.
"Elegy" offers a thought-provoking account of the difficulty poor people face as they try to transcend their circumstances. "How much of our lives, good and bad, should we credit to our personal decisions, and how much is just the inheritance of our culture, our families, and our parents who have failed their children?" he asked. The movie was less compelling, but it reinforced that point.
Trump recently said the book was about society's unfair treatment of working class men and women, but that suggests he never read it. Actually, the book focused on the ways poor people often sabotage their fleeting opportunities and blame others for their predicament. Vance went on to become a Marine, attend Ohio State, and earn a law degree from Yale.
My wife devoured the book—and was particularly moved by Vance's depictions of his awkward attempts to fit in among his classmates. She also grew up in a small coal town in Appalachia. Her lumberman father died young, leaving a wife and six daughters to subsist on government aid. Like Vance, she received a scholarship. When I met her at George Washington University, she had never taken a taxi, been in an elevator, or dined at a fancy restaurant.
Unfortunately, author Vance seems far different from vice-presidential nominee Vance. Power is tempting, but Donna and I have nevertheless cringed as he has espoused positions that seem at odds with his book's central point. Instead of recognizing that the American Dream is alive and well—and all of her sisters have lived successful lives—he now blames outsiders for the plight of the working class.
Vance also pitches big-government economic "populist" ideas and engages in nativism. His critics have pointed to his apparent hypocrisy. After all, he's a middle-class Midwestern suburbanite who attended an Ivy League school, married the daughter of immigrants, and is backed by Bay Area techies. I suspect his embrace of an ideology explains this shift more than raw ambition.
Tell-tale signs come from his speech at the Republican National Convention: "America is not just an idea. It is a group of people with a shared history and a common future. … (W)hen we allow newcomers into our American family, we allow them on our terms." He said that generations of Kentuckians died in wars and are buried in his family's cemetery, noting that, "People will not fight for abstractions, but they will fight for their homes."
I've read myriad critiques on some of Vance's statements, including noxious ones blasting childless cat ladies. That's basically right-wing edge-lording. But the fiercest critique comes in an Atlantic column addressing Vance's "insult to America." Writer Jessica Gavora recalls her dad's harrowing escape from Czechoslovakia after Soviet forces overran it: "My dad came here for a reason, and it wasn't the dirt of a graveyard."
I agree with Gavora, but then again my dad fled Nazi Germany and my maternal grandparents fled Russian pogroms. Almost all of the immigrants I meet—around here they're mostly from Latin America, Russia, and India—are among the most patriotic people I meet. My wife's Appalachian ancestors hailed from Poland before heading to work in the Pennsylvania coal fields. And what's this about requiring them to submit to "our terms"?
Vance's statement defines the central dividing line between paleo-conservatives such as Patrick Buchanan—and classical liberals such Ronald Reagan. The former believe America is a nation built by and for a specific people. They dislike free markets, which are corrosive of their cultural preferences. They want to vastly limit immigration. They have no problem with big government as long as they control it.
By contrast, classical liberals believe America is based on the universal idea of freedom and economic opportunity. They focus on reducing the size and power of government—and creating opportunities for everyone wherever they or their ancestors were born. Classical liberals may want an orderly immigration process, but they're more interested in turning immigrants into Americans than sending them home.
Classical liberals—and I count myself among them—view free trade as a wonder, not a threat. And while I'm a long-time critic of America's endless foreign interventions and wars, I care (unlike Vance) about what happens in Ukraine. We believe in liberty for everyone, not just members of our clan.
The Democratic Party is hostile to freedom and progress in its own unique and terrifying ways. But I wish the Vance who wrote "Hillbilly Elegy"—rather than paleo-conservative changeling we now see on display—were the one on the GOP ticket to make that case.
This column was first published in The Orange County Register.
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Please describe the liberty you think exists in Ukraine.
The liberty to exist as an independent self-determined people. It is why 90% of Ukrainians voted for independence in 1991 - including a majority of Crimea. That is what Putin denies. That Ukrainians even exist separate from Russians or that some ethnic Russians in Ukraine preferred to face West rather than be subsumed by Moscow. That is why he vomited out his version of history in his June 2021 article.
Does this liberty extend to the Donbas region? To the Russian orthodox churches Zelensky has shut down?
54% of Crimea voted for independence (84% of population was ethnic Russian). 84% of Donbas (40% of the people there were ethnic Russian). That means it is Ukraine that has to figure out how to deal with language in school or Moscow-loyalty churches or retirement around Sevastopol for former Soviet navy people or whatever. Not Putin and not the US and not you and not me. That’s what independence means dickhead.
btw – In Crimea – Tatar was the second ethnicity (8%) not Ukrainians (6%). So while the vote for independence there is clearly not some mandate to ukrainize the population (and I have no idea whether that happened) – there was clearly some understanding that all ethnicities there figured that a Ukraine entity/state would be more tolerant than a Russia entity/state. Would be better for them as individuals. Which itself is what is perceived as a threat by Putin because that sort of individual preference is precisely the sort of Western liberal mindset that Russian autocrats have always feared/opposed
I doubt you've read Hillbilly Elegy any more than Donald Trump did. Yes, he acknowledges the role the working class plays in their condition. But, he sure as hell doesn't push the "American Dream is alive and well" pablum you're suggesting.
As to the notion of America as the avatar of universal ideas, that West Coast Straussian crap is as ahistorical and muddle-headed as the blood and soil arguments it stands opposed to. Universal principles was the rallying cry, not of the American Revolution, but the French Revolution. The Founding Fathers perfectly well understood their arguments were in the context of a particular history and a particular people.
Yes, immigrants are often more patriotic than native-born Americans. Because they've voluntarily chosen to cast off their previous national identity and adopt ours. That isn't particular to the United States, though, as you'd expect if it were the result of America-as-avatar. And many of those other countries claim traditions of liberty.
Finally, the Ukraine is a case study in how Vance is right. It's pretty absurd to claim that the people fighting on behalf of a country that cancels elections, bans religions, bans opposition parties, and takes control of the media are somehow motivated by some abiding commitment to democratic or liberal principle. The more likely explanation - they're fighting for their homes against a people they view as a historic enemy.
I've read the book and watched the movie. Greenhut either hasn't or is so blinded by his west coast progressive filter as to not understand any of it. Most of Vance's shifts seem to come from growing up, having a family, and becoming less naive.
The decline of a lot of the country is directly related to government policies encouraging offshoring production and importing labor. On top of that, domestic policy makes margins leaner for rural producers while concentrating and creating a vacuum for capital in the coastal cities that don't produce much of anything.
Greenhut once again showing his coastal elitist blinders. It's just a shame his "Appalachian" wife doesn't correct him.
Vance has openly said in interviews he has learned a lot more especially regarding politics since he wrote the book.
Yes, immigrants are often more patriotic than native-born Americans. Because they’ve voluntarily chosen to cast off their previous national identity and adopt ours.
How? The only time I see immigrant rallies, they’re waving the flag of their home countries and bragging about how awesome their specific ethnonationalism is. Whatever appreciation they might have for the US, it’s entirely transactional.
If you want to make the argument that they’re more patriotic than native-born leftists, that’s certainly a truthful statement, given that leftists don’t even like the US, much less love it.
Finally, the Ukraine is a case study in how Vance is right. It’s pretty absurd to claim that the people fighting on behalf of a country that cancels elections, bans religions, bans opposition parties, and takes control of the media are somehow motivated by some abiding commitment to democratic or liberal principle.
They're devoted to globohomo, which is really the driving factor.
The only time I see immigrant rallies, they’re waving the flag of their home countries and bragging about how awesome their specific ethnonationalism is.
Well, let's be realistic here. It's not exactly like they're holding rallies for the immigrants who come here, assimilate to our culture and become citizens. I'm pretty sure that's the sort of people Greenhut is referring to.
The patriotic immigrants are the ones from my great grandfathers time. They had to endure a long sea voyage (that they paid for) then they had to find a way to make money to feed their families. The only help they received where from charities or from people in their churches that helped them find jobs. The ones Red Rocks are referring to are the ones that got here then where immediately housed and fed with tax dollars, put up in hotels I cannot afford and given free phones three generations better than the one I have. And then immediately turned around and complained about it.
The patriotic ones don't go to rallies because they are normal people with better things to do. You can't really judge a group based on the self-selected subset that wants to be obnoxious and makes itself publicly visible.
We said the same thing about the college crowd for a long time, too--"Oh, this marxist spergery isn't a big deal, it's just a few loud activists making a lot of noise! Just wait until they get into the real world and have to learn what being an adult is like!" How did that work out?
I only mean what I said. You can't show anything about immigrants in general by looking at what the annoying, left-wing activists among them choose to do.
So I can't judge the left after the last 8 years? Not sure your statement holds up Zeb.
I'm talking about immigrants in general, not the left. The left is a particular ideology, immigrants are just people.
The only time I see immigrant rallies, they’re waving the flag of their home countries…
Immigrants or refugees? Although Reason never makes it, there is a distinction. Immigrants choose to come here b/c they want to be here. Refugees wind up here because they do not want to be there.
That's a distinction without a difference, and a misdirection besides.
That’s a distinction without a difference, and a misdirection besides.
You are incorrect. The difference between immigrants and refugees is motivation, and it is a huge difference. By and large, immigrants want to be American(ized). They want the “American Dream,” or at least, access to opportunities available here. Refugees, on the other hand, don’t necessarily want to be American. They don’t even, necessarily, want to be here. Most of the refugees I have worked would rather go home, but their point of origin is simply too fucked, for one reason or another, up to be bearable. If you can’t see the difference in that distinction then you’re not paying attention.
When virtually all irregular immigrants are claiming to be refugees because they know that can delay enforcement action against them, perhaps indefinitely, then the distinction disappears.
they do not want to be there.
That applies to the majority of people on Earth. How many hundreds of millions can we take? Give us a number.
People evolve over time and all politicians lie.
Even Kamala Harris has changed her position on the border in the last few days which is much faster than the relatively slow evolution of Vance.
Even as a voter who despises Donald Trump, it is very apparent Donald Trump has changed even though the propaganda arm of the DNC commonly referred to as the corporate media claims otherwise.
While Donald Trump never should have been and should not be again the president, the same can be said of Hilary Clinton, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. I would further state that Donald Trump was and is the less crappy choice than Hilary Clinton, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
The vast majority of complaints against Donald Trump are directly due to the propaganda of the corporate and outright lies presented by the DNC with support from members of the government bureaucracy.
Not that Donald Trump quite often didn't do himself any favors with his reactions and responses. Still, it probably would not have mattered how he responded because anything and everything that Donald Trump has said has been manipulated through selective editing or taken out of context.
This dishonest treatment of Donald Trump forces me a person who believes that Donald Trump was a mediocre with a narcissistic tendencies to defend him even though I have never cast a vote for him and never will.
The entire series of events only solidifies the reality that the Democrat party is akin to the "Great Satan" that Iran talks about. I don't believe that the Democrat party can be salvaged and it would be better for the country if the Democrat party fractured into 4 parties instead of the schizophrenic mess it is today.
Likewise the Republican party is a mess, but more like having dual personalities. The country would be better off if in split into two halves. I would like to see many more smaller parties instead of the corrupt uni-party that pairs the worst parts of the Democrat and Republican party elites.
" The country would be better off if in split into two halves. "
Which is easier, splitting the country or splitting the uni-party?
Which is more desirable?
There was no dishonest treatment of Donald Trump. Donald Trump brought much of the criticism on himself by his own actions. Every President faces headwinds when they step into the office. President needs to look past the headwinds of criticism put their head down and go to work. Barrack Obama's citizenship was denied, George Bush's intellect was questioned, Bill Clinton had tons of criticism heaped on him, all these Presidents accepted that and did their job. Trump whined.
Now I see why JD grew that beard. Red Rocks was right.
Thanks for the side by side confirming JD can never shave again.
Knew it, but confirmation is good
Lol, oh shit.
He doesn't look like JB, but wow he definitely needs that beard.
My bad crack rocks.
Yeah shriek, you were wrong about that just like every other position you hold, you hicklib pederast.
My position on the beard has “evolved “.
Hair changed.
*Face* changed
Is Vance totally wrong that a nation in part represents people with a common past and shared history?
And if you have no problem with inviting those who do not share this history to join the nation, what about those who do not share core values about the national ethos?
Careful now. Those are nationalist concerns. How dare anyone care to maintain a cohesive national culture of shared values and history! In America it isn't even a racial thing.
As I've suggested above, I think you should at least consider people who want to be part of that shared history and culture, but aren't part of it already. There's a difference between someone who wants to come here because he wants to be an American and someone who comes here because that's where he can get the best deal for himself.
It is worth remembering that many if not most of the people who came to this country came to get a better deal. In many cases immigrant faced economic hardships in their own country. America offered opportunity that was denied in their country of origin. Those people worked hard with the idea of making a better life for their children. People accepted the American system because it offered economic opportunity.
The largest exception to the rule were Africans who came her not by choice but were brought here as enslaved labor. But even these people bought into the system even when they faced opposition. How many of the Americans have had to fight for the right to vote the way black Americans have had to fight for that right. To march facing beating and even death to be able to be part of a democracy.
Is Vance totally wrong that a nation in part represents people with a common past and shared history?
No, he's not. One thing I'll say for the left over the last 50 years is that they at least recognize this, which is why they're constantly appealing to it as a rhetorical cover while relentlessly subverting it when it doesn't match their marxist theology.
The Goldbergites and Kemp Republicans on the center-right can't even grasp the concept that a nation's culture and shared identity are its foundation, and the keystone in holding it together. This was a big reason the Red Guard were so intent on destroying traditional Chinese history and culture during the Cultural Revolution, just as the neo-Maoist left has been doing in the west since the New Left began taking over the nation's universities. It's why the US didn't collapse into a total communist state during the Great Depression, when it was at its most vulnerable to do so, thanks in no small part to the imposition of severe immigration restrictions a decade earlier and the evolution of the idea of American exceptionalism since the turn of the century.
Like John pointed out years ago, the center-right ironically aren't all that different from the original marxists in that they both believe man is strictly an economic creature whose only real motivation is the acquisition of capital. The only difference is that the center-right believes that capital should be relentlessly pursued while the original marxists believed that it needed to be abolished. But like Gramsci pointed out, you can't change society until you control its institutions, and controlling its institutions requires control of the culture.
Knew it, but confirmation is good
Say what you will about the man's facial hair, but his pre-beard vocals on God Only Knows are some of the prettiest of all time.
Untangling the roots of Vance's odd political evolution.
Odd? Come on Greenhunt, you can say it. It’s weird.
Apparently Greenhut didn't get the memo. Odd that. Shit I got the memo and I've never been to a DC cocktail party.
Imagine a home project where you follow the directions as shitty as Greenhut follows Team Blue talking points. That flat screen’s falling right the fuck off the wall.
Or maybe it’s the talking points themselves. If this is the best they’ve got against Vance, they better have rock solid fortification plans in place. What a shit show.
Don't the Dems realize that as far as most Americans are concerned, they are firing a cannon in a glass house by calling anybody else "weird"? Do they actually WANT that fight for some perverse reason? Do they fantasize that their weirdos are the majority?
>>Vance's odd political evolution.
you too with the weird? and in the OCRegister? oy vey.
FUckraine.
So the thinking must have been that if you republish this article with "odd" in the subtitle instead of "weird" we wouldn't notice? You wouldn't look like such an Anti-Trump establishment minion? I noticed. And you do.
Instead of recognizing that the American Dream is alive and well—and all of her sisters have lived successful lives—he now blames outsiders for the plight of the working class.
Did they first reach that success in the last four years, or were they riding high from years prior when "outsiders" weren't as a much of a crippling effect on all walks of society?
Hey Steve, you ever heard the term "champagne socialist?"