Trump Wishes Americans Stayed in Afghanistan To Fight China
The president who helped end America’s longest war now regrets leaving behind U.S. bases.

Former President Donald Trump helped negotiate the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, ending America's longest foreign war. But now he believes that the United States should have kept its largest base in Afghanistan to help in a future conflict against China.
During this week's Republican National Convention, speaker after speaker has tried to transform "America First" from a slogan against overseas entanglements into a cry for more aggressive military force. And the gambit seems to have succeeded. A day after Trump's running mate, Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio), condemned the war in Afghanistan as a failure, Trump himself called for using Afghanistan as a springboard to future conflicts.
"They also gave up Bagram [Airfield], one of the biggest bases anywhere in the world, the longest runways, most powerful, hardened, thickened runways. We gave it up," he said on Thursday night. "I liked it not because of Afghanistan. I liked it because of China. It's one hour away from where China makes their nuclear weapons."
China is known to have nuclear facilities in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, a province bordering Afghanistan, although the facilities themselves are around 1,000 miles away from the border.
Like all politicians, Trump wants to have his cake and eat it too. He also bragged at the convention that there were no Taliban attacks on American troops after he made a deal to withdraw the U.S. military from Afghanistan. But it's hard to see how the United States could have held onto Bagram without resuming the war.
Trump's speech appears to be mixing up two criticisms of the Biden administration's withdrawal. Before the withdrawal, some hawks in Congress argued that Afghanistan was strategically valuable to China and that it would therefore be a mistake to give up America's military presence there. After the withdrawal, other members of Congress questioned why the U.S. military evacuated forces only through Kabul International Airport rather than using the larger Bagram Airfield.
The Biden administration insists that it could not have evacuated people through Bagram Airfield safely.
"Retaining Bagram would have required putting as many as 5,000 U.S. troops in harm's way, just to operate and defend it," Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin said at a September 2021 congressional hearing. "It would have contributed little to the mission that we had been assigned: to protect and defend our embassy some 30 miles away. That distance from Kabul also rendered Bagram of little value in the evacuation."
Austin added that "staying at Bagram—even for counterterrorism purposes—meant staying at war in Afghanistan."
As for using Afghanistan as a cudgel against China, the idea was promoted by Rep. Mike Waltz (R–Fla.) in the months before the withdrawal. "By abandoning Bagram Airfield in Afghanistan, we will no longer have a U.S. airfield in a country that borders China," he wrote in a May 2021 op-ed for the Military Times, adding that the airfield would be useful in a war against Iran too.
Waltz also said that "American intelligence resources" based in Bagram could support Uyghur resistance to the Chinese government, comparing it to the U.S. support for Afghan and other Muslim rebels against the Soviet Union in the 1980s. "This campaign caused the Soviet military to divert divisions away from Eastern Europe to the Caucasus and Central Asia," Waltz wrote.
Ironically, that part of Waltz's argument highlighted exactly why holding onto Bagram would have been dangerous. The United States would be more like the Soviet Union in this scenario, pulling its forces away from the most important fronts to defend isolated outposts in hostile territory. In a war with China or Iran, the U.S. presence at Bagram would make it a lot easier for those countries to hit Americans than the other way around.
Many Republicans have tried to thread the needle, arguing that the withdrawal from Afghanistan was the right decision and criticizing Biden's execution of it. But Trump now seems to be under the sway of a different idea: that we should have kept troops in Afghanistan after all.
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Heard that too and thought some petti journalist would take it out of context. *marks bingo card*
Who negotiated the exit from that Biden voted for and supported, trillion dollar invasion again?
The Taliban. With Trump, although the talks were started under Obama. After the agreement, Taliban continued and increased their attacks on the Afghan government, who were not a party to the agreement, and the US didn't intervene to prevent them. The US and Taliban could almost be seen as allies at this point, although part of the agreement was about removing US economic sanctions against Afghanistan, which are still in place today.
Were the US soldiers attacking the Ghani government forces?
It was a stupid, colossal failure by Bush, Cheney, Biden, Hillary, et. al. Thankfully, an adult in the room saw there needed to be an exit. Unfortunately, folks put in a narcissistic fool to finish it. That fool extended then botched the withdraw.
"Were the US soldiers attacking the Ghani government forces? "
They didn't need to. The Taliban were more than up to the task. As I mentioned, after the agreement, the Taliban stepped up their attacks on the Afghan government and the US did nothing to stop them.
"That fool extended then botched the withdraw."
The war was lost long before Biden stepped into the presidency. A second Trump term would have done nothing to change this. Have you read Woodward's account of the Trump presidency? I can't remember which of the several books it was, but he claims Biden was the least hawkish member of Obama's inner circle and most interested in ending US involvement.
So the US was not attacking the puppet government forces. Got it. The agreement was to end hostilities between the Taliban and the forces that Biden helped put in there and then was assistant manager to for eight years.
Yup. It was lost when Biden cast his vote to invade twenty years prior. Did you think I was making an argument for “winning”? I wasn’t. That was a shit show from when it was first conceived. Trump said enough and negotiated an exit. Biden unilaterally decided to extend the withdraw then failed in executing it similar to how he fails to maneuver stairs, effectively debate, or remember people’s names.
"So the US was not attacking the puppet government forces. "
The puppet government was not involved in the talks. The agreement was between the US and the Taliban. The Taliban stepped up their attacks on the Kabul government while the US stood by and did nothing to prevent them.
" It was lost when Biden cast his vote to invade twenty years prior. "
I disagree. The war was won 20 years ago when the Taliban were very quickly forced from Kabul and a quisling government put in place. It was actually the decades of military occupation that followed which the US lost. The quisling government collapsed within days of the US withdrawal. That should give you an idea of the lack of success of the last 2 decades of US occupation.
"That was a shit show from when it was first conceived. Trump said enough and negotiated an exit."
So, given that, aren't you surprised to read now of Trump's intention to postpone the withdrawal indefinitely to maintain an airbase from which to intimidate China? Or stay as long as it takes the military to clean up 20 years accumulation of military waste? I'm surprised, I don't mind admitting.
The US was negotiating getting out of the mess that Biden helped establish then oversee for nearly a decade. The US should have never been there (thank you Bush, Cheney, Biden, Hillary, et. al.). It was time to leave and not play more globohomo unipolar Karen hall monitor. Escalating activities was not on his menu.
The war was never winnable. Unfortunately, globalists were in Washington, many still are, and one is currently in the WH…or his covid hospice in Delaware. Biden, and others, spent a trillion dollars replacing the Taliban with the Taliban.
I’d need more detail from him but saw it either as trolling China (he did it elsewhere in the speech) or some Guantanamo concept. Either way, we know who did what and it was a biblical proportion failure. Had Trump been reelected and a similar outcome occurred, I would similarly criticize him. He did not leave the tens of billions of dollars of materiel there, Biden did. He did not extend the deadline, Biden by himself did.
"It was time to leave and not play more globohomo unipolar Karen hall monitor."
The US is playing the same game in Israel. A brief war won in the 1940s followed by decades of failed military occupation. And Trump is every bit as supportive of the effort as Biden is.
"Either way, we know who did what and it was a biblical proportion failure. "
If you want to know failures of biblical proportion, read about the British withdrawal from Kabul to Jalalabad in the winter of 1842. A march of 80 kms, I believe. Thousands of soldiers and camp followers died. An army doctor was apparently the sole survivor, and Conan Doyle used him as a model for Dr. John Watson, sidekick and chronicler of Sherlock Holmes. Compared to that fiasco, Biden's withdrawal was a walk in the park - a small price to pay for 20 years of failure.
There is a failure there for sure. Trump didn’t vote to invade Israel or Afghanistan. Biden voted to invade Afghanistan and is currently helping the war effort in Israel. Previous potus have stopped Israel from similar escalations (Reagan and Nixon come to mind and maybe Ike too). If DJT has similar support as what Biden is doing with the current hostilities, I’ll call him out on it as well.
I’ll do a walk in the park later today if you give me $80B. Deal?
Biden got censured by the British parliament. Macron and Merkel also called him out. There was also Biden checking his watch when receiving the bodies of the fallen soldiers returning to Dover AFB. The fall of Saigon reset in photos. Biden was napping at Camp David when that went down. A man falling from a plane. Drone striking eights kids and an aid worker then in an interview two days later saying, “Wasn’t that four days ago?” trying to downplay it as old news. Leaving Bagram in the middle of the night including abandoning high level suspects, one of whom was alleged to have plotted the Kabul terror attack that killed the US servicemen.
Those twenty years saw Biden involved for about sixteen of them.
You say it well Chumby. I was going to jump in but you've already said it better than I could.
"Those twenty years saw Biden involved for about sixteen of them."
I'm glad that he withdrew the troops and relieved that the exercise went as smoothly as it did. If your litany of American failures includes an incident where a president looks at his watch during a tedious military ceremony, well that just underscores my point.
Biden extended the deadline then failed to ensure there was a plan to provide adequate security. On a smoothness scale of Biden to 10 with 10 being very smooth, it was close to a Biden. At least the pedo pants shitter didn’t surrender or give away nuclear weapons with codes so maybe some give him credit for that.
Yeah, Biden’s botches as CiC allowed for those soldiers to be killed in a bomb attack. How dare Biden be criticized for checking his watch when those soldiers’ remains returned to the US so their families could lay them to rest. How dare us calling out the CiC on that. I am going to write him an apology letter.
Sir, you have shown me the light!
"How dare us calling out the CiC on that. "
You are correct to criticize Biden for this and many other things a lot worse than looking at his watch during a boring parade of dead soldiers. It's simply naive though to think that a group like ISIS would have been any more friendly or sympathetic or kindly disposed to American interests under Trump.
You are assuming that DJT would have used the same exit plan as did the child groping, pants shitting, child kissing Biden.
It wasn’t a parade. It was their remains return to the US. They should have never been deployed but the child groping, pants shitting, child kissing Biden teamed up with Hillary to give W and Cheney the green light to go in then the child groping, pants shitting, child kissing Biden was the assistant manager there for eight years.
The message it sends to the military is that the child groping, pants shitting, child kissing Biden will help send soldiers into something stupid, help keep them in something stupid, have a stupid plan to get them out that results in the loss pf some of their lives, then check his watch when their bodies are returned home.
"You are assuming that DJT would have used the same exit plan as did the child groping, pants shitting, child kissing Biden. "
I'm assuming that the generals in Afghanistan reluctantly formulated and executed the plans. Mark Milley was appointed by Trump as the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and remained in the office under Biden. I think it's safe to say this lack of turn over or accountability applied to many if not all the top brass, and your obsessive need to put all the blame on Biden is little more than partisan whinging.
Those generals reported to Biden. He was the boss. If he didn’t like the people and resources to execute his plan, he should have made adjustments. Biden himself said, “The bucks stops here” in an official potus statement. Iirc, that was during his live broadcast from the Oval Office. If you want to paint him as a passenger, it doesn’t change that he was in charge and his previous involvements with getting and staying there.
There is blame for others. But the child groping, pants shitting, child kissing Biden was the CiC and he was the one that altered the deadline. It is different than say when he showered with his daughter, grabbed that young girl’s nipple on CSPAN, and shit his pants in front of the pope. Those were all him. The botched, deadly, costly, embarrassing exit has his name on it but others share some blame.
"Those generals reported to Biden. He was the boss."
Neither Biden nor Trump had experience of service in the military, let alone in positions of command. Both would have delegated the planning and execution to the generals they hired to do exactly those things and let the president do other things like phone potential donors for contributions or negotiate the purchase of Greenland.
"and he was the one that altered the deadline"
Maybe that's true, I don't know. I'm not persuaded that an unaltered deadline would have made for a better outcome. You haven't made the case. Do you think that the postponed deadline so enraged ISIS that they decided to attack the US instead of being nice? Again, I'm not persuaded. I believe that the withdrawal of a defeated army is always going to be fraught with difficulty, and all things considered, Biden's withdrawal went smoothly as can be expected, even with his glancing at his watch while dead bodies were being paraded by in a macabre ceremony put on by a military that can put on a show, even if they can no longer win wars.
Again, you can keep portraying Biden as a passenger here but he was in charge and this demanded his attention. He also stated he owned it on live tv. You are disagreeing with Biden on Biden’s responsibility.
The original deadline was before the summer period of higher activity by the local fighters. The child groping, pants shitting, child kissing Biden selected 9/11 as the deadline ostensibly so he could have his photo op moment. His ego demanded it.
I don’t care if you are persuaded; you’ve claimed to be here to spout nonsense. Maybe Biden will give you a free pass on that.
It went so smoothly that the British parliament censured him. Macron called him out. So did Merkel. Folks then had to scramble to get put folks left behind. Even MSM had some choice words for Biden, who, along with Blinken, talked about how things were going to be fine. several weeks prior to the debacle, recall Biden snapping back at a reporter asking a question about the intel saying the puppet government was going to fall quickly.
"Again, you can keep portraying Biden as a passenger here but he was in charge and this demanded his attention."
I know Biden is nominally in charge of the military and the executive branch, but as far as planning and executing military operations, that surely is delegated to the military brass.
The notion that ISIS would have been kindly disposed to Americans in Afghanistan if only Biden had kept to the original date Trump arranged with the Taliban is particularly ludicrous. Just the kind of nonsense I love so much.
Looking at his watch, being censured by the British House, all small potatoes. The big potato was the fall of Kabul to the Taliban within days of the withdrawal. That would have happened under Trump, too. Nothing that Trump did, wanted to do, or said he wanted to do would have snatched victory from the jaws of defeat. As I said, I suspect this is all partisan whinging. Your repeated slurs of Biden as a pedophile, etc, all make this crystal clear.
You are disagreeing with Biden’s words. He said he owned it. He was the responsible party. It was his task to review anything delegated and ask questions. If he didn’t like it, he should have ordered changes. When I don’t like stuff my staff does, they get further instructions until I’m happy. If it were to mess up, I own it. At least Biden did that.
Your second gaslighting needs more adjectives. Yes, your failed understanding of the Afghanistan fighting season is nonsense.
I agree with you that Kabul would have fallen quickly no matter who was potus. This is a new topic because I didn’t claim the contrary. The issue was the horrible Biden botched withdraw.
The big potatoes included the deaths that happened after Biden’s extension, the chaos under his leadership, and leaving $80B of materiel to the folks that he had voted on removing 20 years prior. The other items were additional evidence of Biden’s awful handling of this.
There are numerous videos of Biden groping kids, kissing kids, sexualizing kids amongst other activities. These events were broadcast live on places like CSPAN. If you think calling out adults that inappropriately touch children, grope them, and kiss them is partisan that is disgusting.
"You are disagreeing with Biden’s words. He said he owned it. He was the responsible party. "
Did Biden ever claim to have planned and executed the operation? No. He never claimed that for the simple reason that others planned and executed the withdrawal. Men in tree suits. You're getting desperate. You're approaching the level of pure nonsense to be expected in a partisan hack bereft of sensible arguments, such as Biden is a pedophile who looked at his watch at an inappropriate moment.
"Your second gaslighting needs more adjectives. Yes, your failed understanding of the Afghanistan fighting season is nonsense. "
ISIS doesn't have a 'fighting season.' It's a terrorist outfit.
"The big potatoes included the deaths that happened after Biden’s extension, the chaos under his leadership, and leaving $80B of materiel to the folks that he had voted on removing 20 years prior."
No, deaths, casualties, displacement, waste are part of any war, especially wars that are lost. You want a war where the losers don't get hurt, no equipment is lost or damaged, no refugees, no pedophiles glancing at watches - it's not going to happen.
I have no idea how much detail Biden has claimed to have authored. If he talked about it today, I imagine it would be unintelligible. As potus, he had the ultimate authority and responsibility. He has articulated that.
You are now projecting. Did Biden look at his watch while the remains of the soldiers that died in Kabul after Trump’s deadline because Biden unilaterally extended the deadline which kept them there or die he not do that? There is video evidence pf what happened. There are also eyewitness accounts from military present. So you think the next of kin should write apology letters to Biden for the remains of their loved ones to be taken out of the plane?
There are numerous videos of the child kissing and child groping Biden kissing children and groping children. Only a pedopologist and/or partisan hack would contest this from having occurred on multiple documented occasions.
Afghanistan has a fighting season where incidents fall sharply between about October into April. Some of it is ag related and some of it is due to poor weather and travel conditions. The published coalition fatality data illustrates this. The time to leave was when it was quiet and not when it was hot.
I’m not talking about destroyed equipment that Biden initially voted for it to go in then helped oversee for eight years as VP. I’m talking about the $80B serviceable stuff that Biden allowed to be left there. As for the deaths, yes I agree that it is part of war. This dovetails into calling out then senator Biden for voting and campaigning for the initial invasion. The Taliban was replaced with the Taliban. It only took two decades to accomplish this miracle. Troops that were all removed by May would not have been there after to be killed. It also brings up the bigger discussion why Biden and Hillary goose stepped with W and Cheney to go in there and into Iraq to the tune of about $2T plus the many lost lives and disgrace it brought on the US from nations that had gone in to help.
"I have no idea how much detail Biden has claimed to have authored. "
It doesn't matter what he claimed. I promise you he delegated the planning and execution of the withdrawal to the military. Yet I see no condemnation of them, no criticism of them at all. Not even for kissing children or looking at their watches at inappropriate moments, let alone promoting a losing a war after 20 years of occupation. Partisan whinging, as I've said.
"Afghanistan has a fighting season"
Again, ISIS is a terror group. They don't fight, they do terror, often willingly sacrificing themselves in the action. Adverse weather conditions don't prevent them or deter them from their mission. The notion that Biden could have outsmarted them or gained their good will by not altering the date of withdrawal is absurd.
"I’m talking about the $80B serviceable stuff that Biden allowed to be left there."
Again, if Trump had ordered the military to collect, destroy or return all the equipment accumulated in Afghanistan over 20 years, we'd still be there, spending money and taking casualties. Maybe even Trump looking inappropriately at his watch meanwhile. Is this really what you want? If Trump had ordered the military to permanently hold onto the air base, same thing, we'd still be there spending money, taking casualties.
I don’t care what you think and neither did Biden when he owned it. As he should being the potus and CiC in charge at that time.
The weather negatively affected non-Afghans as well during those months and the casualty data supports less activity occurring. But yeah, Biden’s unilateral plan adjustment to ramp things up when activity is hot was brilliant.
And? People and businesses can move everything quicker than that where they had been in place longer. Much larger armies than what was there have mobilized in a shorter time period. Biden voted to go in, spent eight years as assistant to the occupation, then volunteered to lead the exit. Removing $80B of usable military hardware should have been on his agenda. And if it actually was, he failed bigly. Not only did Biden abandon it but he abandoned it to the folks he as senator voted to go after. Had he sold it on the cheap to say neighboring Pakistan and gotten something in return, plus not having it fall into his enemy’s hands, that would have been appreciably better.
"As he should being the potus and CiC in charge at that time. "
I promise you Biden delegated the details of planning and executing the withdrawal to the military. Biden is a politician with no experience serving in the military and it's ludicrous to expect him to have much of a role, besides symbolic like watching parades of dead soldiers returning from overseas. You rightly criticize him for glancing at his watch during this duty, but have no words of criticism for the military who, in your words, carried out a fiasco of biblical proportions.
"the casualty data supports less activity occurring."
Again, you are confusing the Taliban, which indeed had a fighting season, with ISIS, which did not. Fighters vs. terrorists. That should explain the difference.
"People and businesses can move everything quicker than that where they had been in place longer. "
You are assuming the military were anxious to leave Afghanistan. We know they were against it and advised Biden against withdrawing. They would certainly have dragged their feet and used any orders to collect, destroy or return 20 years of accumulated waste, to indefinitely prolong their stay. Same goes for retaining the airbase and using it to threaten nuclear attacks against China. Had you and Trump got their way, we'd still be in Afghanistan today. Doubtless taking more casualties, doubtless killing many more Afghans. But you have to criticize Biden, who is a Democrat, after all. Partisan whinging, and thoughtless, stupid whinging at that.
You continue to disagree with Biden. He was potus and took responsibility for the debacle. In a few months, perhaps visit him at the retirement home he’ll be at to try and change his view.
You are ignoring that the data included ISIS and ignoring that bad weather and road conditions affected them too.
More has been done in less time, albeit with better leadership. Perhaps Biden should have thought about an end game when he voted to go in there, spent eight years helping to manage it, then signed up to oversee the exit that was known to be occurring when he signed up to oversee it.
Now you are strawmanning. Please cite where I supported staying in Afghanistan. Pathetic on your part. On a scale of Biden to 10, close to Biden.
Thankfully, the botcher is not seeking reelection. Sadly, his actions cost many lives and a large amount of money.
“You continue to disagree with Biden. ”
I do. You should too.
“ignoring that bad weather and road conditions affected them too.”
It affects everyone. We’re talking about strapping on an explosive vest and killing people with it, including oneself. It can be done when it’s foggy, snowy, hot and sunny, basically any time, under any weather conditions. If Americans thought that inclement weather was protecting them from terror attacks, they deserved whatever fate lay in store for them.
“Please cite where I supported staying in Afghanistan. ”
Don’t you want the Americans to stay behind collecting 20 years worth of military junk? Occupying Bagram airbase to continue intimidating China? Or could this somehow be done remotely, with all the Americans safely at home while foreigners man our bases, collect our garbage in Afghanistan. You whine incessantly about these things apparently without the notion that addressing any of your complaints would necessitate even more time, indefinitely extended deadlines, than Biden or Trump contemplated. As I’ve said, your partisanship is preventing you from thinking straight and delivering a sober analysis, obsessing instead over ridiculous accusations of pedophilia, and the trivia of a bored old man forced to witness a tedious military ceremony.
The Biden admin was in charge of the withdraw. They own it, for better or worse.
I promise you he delegated the planning and execution of the withdrawal to the military. Yet I see no condemnation of them, no criticism of them at all.
Certainly not condemnations or FIRINGS by Brandon.
Milley should have been toast the moment people were seen falling off planes. But I guess HR figured hes too valuable - what with all his excellent marks on his diversity studies.
It's not the war that fails, it's the nation building.
Nation building is just the polite term for occupation.
Not exactly. Occupation doesn't promote home rule where nation building does. And that's the problem. You can't force people to create a democratic government who are not interested in democracy.
Afghans had their own version of democracy for centuries. Gatherings of the clans where decisions could be made and differences ironed out. It was never a democracy in the American sense of the word, or Greek either, but worked well enough in the Afghan context. Have you seen the Peter Brooks movie, Meetings with Remarkable Men? The last film made on location in Afghanistan before the Soviet invasion. I think the scene at the beginning using real Afghans gives an idea of these meetings - though in the scene it shows a musical contest held every 20 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U-wcjqcCBI
I think the old British colonial system would have worked better there... but lets face it - they are all savages. A hard bunch to keep in line.
No. The Taliban stopped attacking American troops when Trump made it clear we had a withdrawal policy and we knew where the Talibans family lived to steer clear. It was working.
I already mentioned, by this time America's beef was with ISIS and Taliban were essentially allies facing a common enemy. ISIS killed Americans (and Taliban) before, during and after Trump's term.
yes and as i and others pointed out your wrong
No, you and others are wrong. ISIS and the Taliban are two different things. ISIS is a Islamist terror group and Taliban are essentially Pashtun national liberationists. Trump came to terms with Taliban, but there was (and is) no agreement with ISIS.
Real Estate mogul considers airbase through "Location. Location. Location." lens out loud.
News at 11Better news 24/7 on other parts of the internet.*sigh*
Amazing analysis from the guy who supported the Ukraine funding.
DON'T WORRY, SARCKLES!
As usual, Petti is lying by omission. The Reasonistas really just aren't giving a fuck anymore. This is just like Britschigi lying about what Trump said about zoning yesterday.
What actually happened is that Trump had negotiated with the Afghan government and the Taliban to lease Bagram, and Biden's puppeteers fucked that up BFUTW and sheer bloody-mindedness, and now China is leasing it instead.
https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/se/date/2024-07-18/segment/04
TRUMP: But he could figure it out. And for 18 months, we had not one attack on an American soldier by the Taliban. Eighteen months.
(APPLAUSE)
TRUMP: And then we had that horrible day where soldiers were killed. I was not there because of a ridiculous election. But we had that horrible attack. And they also gave up Bagram, one of the biggest bases anywhere in the world, air bases anywhere in the world. The longest runways, most powerful. Hardened, thickened runways. We gave it up. And I liked it not because of Afghanistan. I liked it because of China. It's one hour away from where China makes their nuclear weapons. And, you know, who has it now? China has it now. We were keeping that.
TRUMP: And now China is likewise circling Taiwan and Russian warships. And nuclear submarines are operating 60 miles off the coast in Cuba. Do you know that? The press refuses to write about it. If that were me running this country and we had nuclear submarines in Cuba, I will tell you that the headlines every day would be, what's wrong with our president? You don't even hear this. You're not hearing about this. Russia has nuclear submarines and warships 60 miles away.
Petti: "But it's hard to see how the United States could have held onto Bagram without resuming the war.
It isn't hard at all. The Taliban agreed to it. It was part of the deal. He knows this. And while he's calling Trump out he prints Biden's Secretary of Defense, Lloyd Austin's, dishonest excuse unchallenged.
These election ringers Koch has had KMW bring onboard are deceitful jokes.
"He also bragged at the convention that there were no Taliban attacks on American troops after he made a deal to withdraw the U.S. military from Afghanistan."
I've seen similar comments here. It was ISIS, not Taliban, which attacked and killed Americans before, during and after Trump's negotiations to withdraw from Afghanistan. American troops were actually cooperating with Taliban, together providing security. The attack at the airport was perpetrated by ISIS, not Taliban, and Taliban fighters were killed along side American troops and Afghan civilians.
Trump's hopes for a permanent occupation of the Afghan airport are news to me, but he has criticized Biden for leaving American equipment behind rather than collecting it, packing it up and transporting it back to the states. A process that the military, reluctant to leave, could spin out indefinitely.
We know that Trump promised to leave, but chose to stay instead, even increasing troop levels. I doubt any of this was out of a desire to intimidate China, or clean up the military's abandoned junk, but rather to avoid the embarrassment and humiliation of a defeated army in retreat.
It is amazing.
Nothing you say bears any relation to reality.
There's that saying about two people looking at the same screen and seeing two different movies except you're not seeing a movie at all, you're hearing colors.
If you've got anything but bluster and insults to offer, I'd be happy to read what you have to say.
The fact remains that the Taliban continued to attack the Afghan government after the agreement and took over Kabul as soon as America withdrew. The Taliban didn't attack Americans and Americans didn't attack the Taliban. Both attacked and were attacked by ISIS.
Trump also criticized Biden for leaving the military's 20 year accumulation of junk in Afghanistan, and any dealing with the issue would have been expensive and time consuming. As far as I know, the role of garbage removal for the US military was not a part of the agreement Trump reached with the Taliban.
You are not even close to the truth in what you type. How did you get so far afield you believe in the garbage you are posting or is a deliberate troll?
"How did you get so far afield you believe in the garbage you are posting "
Simply put, I'm not in the bag for Trump. If I were, I'm sure I'd be writing that Biden's withdrawal was a failure of biblical proportions, or that Trump would never dream of maintaining a base in Afghanistan with the purpose of intimidating China, etc etc.
This was like the only reason all the "fauxtarians" trhrew in for Trump. Because he promised no more foreign involvements. Now he wants forward deployment bases.
Don't worry, "he didn't really mean it" or "Biden does it too" or "you have to vote for him anyway because Chase Oliver is gay".
Have you seen a map of Afghanistan? In the north east there's a thin stretch of land, a valley less than 20kms wide, the Wakhan Corridor, that actually borders China at its eastern extremity.
The corridor was part of the Great Game between the British and Russian empires created late in the 19th century as a buffer between the two powers.
The region today is so remote it remains largely untouched by the conflict that Afghanistan has suffered since the 1970s.
I stole this handle fair and square. The trump sucker is the one spoofing his own nick. Lol
Is re ecog coming back from the rnc today too?
It never ceases to amaze just how out of touch the Taliban is today.
The Chinese are notorious for oppressing Islamists in their country, yet nut cases like the Taliban have no problem sucking up to the same oppressors who harass and arrest devout Muslims.
"The Chinese are notorious for oppressing Islamists in their country"
Did you know that China is planning to host both Hamas and Fatah, rival Palestinian factions and reconcile them? Similar to the earlier China brokered Iran/Saudi re-establishment of diplomatic ties in Beijing. I suspect Hamas and the Palestinians have completely lost faith in America's ability to act as a go between or honest broker and is seeking to go with China instead. I figure Gaza's reconstruction will be largely a Chinese effort. Maybe with North Korea's lending a hand with refurbishing the network of Gaza's tunnels.
""I suspect Hamas and the Palestinians have completely lost faith in America’s ability to act as a go between or honest broker and is seeking to go with China instead. ""
How do you do honest brokering with people who will use kidnapping victims as humans shields in war for the purpose of blaming the other side when one is killed?
I can see China might not have an issue with that.
"How do you do honest brokering with people who will use kidnapping victims as humans shields in war for the purpose of blaming the other side when one is killed?"
They had practice brokering a deal between Saudi Arabia, which chops off the hands of petty criminals, and Iran, which dragoons children into acting as human mine sweepers.
China may be tough on Islamists, but are tolerant of Muslims. I've visited small Muslim communities on the southern coast of the island of Hainan which have been around for maybe a 1000 years. They originated from shipwrecked Muslim trading ships, and were tolerated and still are today. They have mosques and everything. Having said that, Chinese tend to be wary of religious movements - Christians, Buddhists, Muslims and cults like the Falun Gong. And this predates the communist takeover, going back at least as far as the Boxer Revolt, a movement inspired by a novel interpretation of the Christian bible that resulted in many deaths and years of turmoil.
The leaders of the Taliban don't care what China does in their country to Muslims. China is using that shiny new airbase Biden handed them to develop some of the worlds richest rare earth mines and will make them rich.
There's a price to pay for losing a war. As Samuel Beckett told us, "Try again. Fail again. Fail better."
So Trump might have some specifics wrong, but shows some understanding of how military resources and logistics fit into different scenarios on the global scale. He wants to play at least 1D chess, but does the Trump thing and riffs on the first thing that comes to mind.
Having had tea with the Taliban, I have a duty to remark that retaking Helmand to fight China makes about as much sense as deploying missiles to Cape Horn to deter a Venezuelan invasion of Antarctica.
"Retaining Bagram would have required putting as many as 5,000 U.S. troops in harm's way, just to operate and defend it," Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin said at a September 2021 congressional hearing. "It would have contributed little to the mission that we had been assigned: to protect and defend our embassy some 30 miles away. That distance from Kabul also rendered Bagram of little value in the evacuation."
So you uncritically quote this bullshit to paint Trump as a warmongering lunatic Petti? Seriously? Trump negotiated a withdrawal with the Taliban on a specific timetable that allowed for a safe and orderly evacuation of Americans and Afghans affiliated with the US like the interpreters. The Taliban did not violate that agreement until Biden reneged on the deal. Had Biden honored the commitment made by the United States under the commander and chief Trump there would have been no need for 5,000 troops at the base. There would have been no panic in Kabul. We would not have seen dead American soldiers, people falling to their death from airplanes, innocent civilians murdered by US military, and loyal Afghans and Americans left behind. And why did Biden violate an agreement made by the United States government Matthew? To demonstrate his animus to his predecessor and pick a date on the calendar that his feeble mind imagined would earn him a paragraph in Wikipedia. Every death, every injury and every dime's worth of US taxpayer property left behind is the responsibility of Joe Biden. If you are going to be an apologist for this war criminal you might need to take a hard look at your purported libertarian bona fides.
"The Taliban did not violate that agreement until Biden reneged on the deal."
How did the Taliban violate the agreement?
"And why did Biden violate an agreement made by the United States government Matthew? "
My guess is that the generals persuaded him to postpone the date of withdrawal. The same generals who persuaded Bush, Obama, and Trump that there was light at the end of the tunnel and all that was needed was a 'temporary' increase in troop numbers. The same generals who urged Biden against the withdrawal in the first place. If you have to criticize Biden, why not criticize him for not demoting or firing the reluctant generals who planned and executed the withdrawal? I sense your critique is merely partisan whinging rather than considered analysis.
Look, losing a war is a shitty thing. Ask Hitler. When the defeat of Germany became clear, he poisoned his wife and dog and shot himself in the head. Winning is a lot better than losing.
Nothing strange here. The complement to this strong talk of military occupation can be paraphrased from the previous election cycle as "find those votes," as said Trump ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/podcasts/post-reports/i-just-want-to-find-11780-votes/
But USA can have a strong military that does not have to return to Afghanistan to score a nearby landing pad to China. In any case, building a new and far bigger landing pad elsewhere would be phenomenally less expensive than re-acquiring the exclusive Afghani pad and taking responsibility for its perpetual noise levels.
But why add to China's insecurities, them being a trading source and exclusive seller of English "made in" Chinese stamps?