Getting a Home Depot Employee Fired for Calling for Trump's Assassination Is Still Cancel Culture
Libs of TikTok is blasting out screenshots of random people's offensive posts to her millions of followers in hopes of claiming their scalps.

Chaya Raichik, the woman behind the popular Libs of TikTok social media accounts, has complained in the past about the efforts to "cancel and silence" her. It appears she is taking a page from the playbook she supposedly hates.
Raichik's online operation reposts TikTok videos of left-leaning content creators saying things that often border on the absurd. She has recently upped the ante, amplifying Facebook posts from random people making crass comments about the assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump, blasting them to her 3.2 million followers on X, and tagging their employers in hopes they are rendered jobless.
In some cases, it has paid off. "To [sic] bad they weren't a better shooter!!!!!" Darcy Waldron Pinckney posted on Facebook. You probably don't recognize her name because she is not a public figure. She is not a lawmaker or a bureaucrat or someone in any position of power. She worked at Home Depot.
The past tense here is key. On Sunday, Raichik posted a screenshot of Pinckney's comment, along with a video of someone confronting her at the store and an admonition to her employer: "Hi @HomeDepot!" Raichik wrote. "Are you aware that you employ people who call for political violence and the ass*ss*nat*on of Presidents? Any comment?" The company promptly terminated her.
Whatever your feelings on the former president, cheering on his assassination attempt is, in fact, wrong. It is also wrong to weaponize your millions of followers to turn a random woman into a national pariah, siccing a mob on her and rendering her unable to support herself—and possibly her family—because she made a tasteless comment on social media. These two things are true at the same time.
Cancel culture comes in different forms. But this is arguably its purest. We're not talking about someone who wielded considerable influence over society, whether in Hollywood or on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C. We aren't even talking about a public school teacher who said this to a classroom full of students. We are talking about a woman who worked at a big box retail store, whose ability to pay for housing and food is potentially now up in the air for saying something gross on the internet.
It's ironic that the people leading this mob are some of the same individuals who have repeatedly—and rightly—decried mob justice over the last several years. In some cases, their careers and fame are grounded, at least in part, in that very concept. "Cancel cancel culture," Riley Gaines, the swimmer and activist who has pushed back on biological men competing in women's sports, said in August of last year. Gaines, who has been the target of some illiberalism herself, was singing a different song this week, celebrating the termination of a man whose firing also came at the behest of Raichik.
"Too bad it didn't hit him square," Tony Bendele, formerly a small-town firefighter, posted on his personal Facebook page with a popcorn emoji. Raichik got ahold of it and, again, posted a screenshot to her Libs of TikTok account, with a rallying cry to her following on X (where Bendele does not have a footprint). It didn't take long for him, too, to become a national story. As of this writing, Raichik's initial post excoriating Bendele has been seen 11.7 million times.
"Please accept this as my resignation from the firehouse. I can't do this," Bendele, whose department also received a bomb threat, later posted on Facebook. "I have been threatened. My family has been threatened. My friends have been threatened. I have never felt so unsafe in my life….It's one thing to ruin my life, I accept that. But to put everyone else in danger around me, to shut down everyone's daily life, this is not ok."
Gaines counted that as a victory on Monday. "This wouldn't have happened without @elonmusk purchasing X and @libsoftiktok exposing it," she posted on X. Is this what winning looks like?
The online defenses of these firings fell mostly into two camps. The first: People like Pinckney and Bendele aren't actually victims of cancel culture because what they said is bad. I take no issue with the latter—what they said is bad. But using that as justification to gleefully destroy their lives is as classic a definition of cancel culture as any. Past victims of cancel culture, after all, weren't always angels; such backlash often comes after legitimately unsavory or cringeworthy remarks. To take these random people's personal Facebook posts and exile them from society is to invoke a mantra from some left-leaning activists: "It's accountability culture, actually."
"It's exactly how America should work," wrote Zach Dean for OutKick, the right-leaning publication typically dedicated to sports news. "Checks and balances, folks….Shoutout to the Home Depot for quickly nipping this ugly human in the bud." Perhaps it is unsurprising that the publication has repeatedly railed into cancel culture.
The second line of pushback doesn't appear to deny that this is cancel culture. Those on the left just deserve it, the thinking goes, because they've used these tactics for years. While I appreciate the honesty, there are a few issues here. For one, there is no proof that these specific individuals ever participated in online mob justice—once again, we are not talking about people who are public figures or who have even a semblance of a following. More importantly, that is plainly contradictory to the definition of a principle, which is not a principle at all if you decline to apply it when it's inconvenient. "They started it" is not a justification that has much currency past elementary school.
For now, Raichik is undeterred. She has turned her ire toward several others—a chef at a restaurant in Michigan, a program manager at Uber, and more—in hopes that she can claim their scalps, too. You don't need to endorse their repugnant political statements to hope she is unsuccessful.
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Sorry, Billy. If people are free to make all sorts of comments in public (and I sure think they are), then others are free to respond with more comments. And since all of this happens in the public square, then employers are also free to respond, especially where job roles include public interaction.
Every action has consequences.
We have free speech. Not freedom from consequences. Business can fire who they want as not to have a bad image.
Reason today is just trying to find anything against the GOP
No freedom from consequences? Cool!! That means Trump should serve prison time for the criminal violations he was convicted of.
What was criminal about any of those nonsensical charges?
He obviously broke the law by calling paying his lawyer a legal expense when he should have classified it as a campaign expense. Duh!
And been a member of the Democratic Party.
And misdemenors past the statute of limitations are felonies. Got any more jokes?
Really, whatever it takes to get that Bad Orange Man!
Like Hillary and the Steele dossier?
The dossier that Paul Ryan had before anyone else in Congress, but he didn’t tell anyone about it?
Sounds like a hefty (or not so hefty) fine might be in order, not jail time.
That’s the best part. If he had done that Bragg could have gone after him for campaign finance violations.
That's not a felony if at all. Totally made up by fat Alvin Bragg.
A judge just threw out Trump's document conviction .
It's all falling apart for the Marxists.
He conspired to commit a crime that didn't happen
And defrauded his lenders so badly they kept lending him money.
There were (R)easons, damn it! = What Team D says were crimes
"No freedom from consequences? Cool!! That means Trump should serve prison time for the criminal violations he was convicted of."
Yeah, shit-for-brains, late library returns are felonies, right? FOAD, asshole.
“Reason today is just trying to find anything against the GOP”
You mean all week, and every week through the election. I’m sure Koch has ordered them to fight the republicans as hard as they can.
If that’s the case, Mr Koch better get some new writers, because these guys have fallen flat on their faces and it’s still four months out.
Chucky is just salty he won’t get a robot body and he’ll have to croak like everyone else does.
Today?
Any day with a "y" in it is a good day for REASON to complain about the Right paying the Left back for some practice the Left started and has a near-monopoly on.
It's the rules of the game that they made.
Yeah, let me know when the leftist clown squad gets demonetized on YouTube.
Low IQ Home Depot clerks? Yes. You finally got them.
There is a user here that is adamant that holding people to their own standards is a bad thing, if not worse.
And that would be balloon maker.
Leftists aren't people.
Just getting them fired is being extremely merciful.
Are you one of them truckers who’s murdered hundreds of people?
I heard about them. Seem’s you’d be right happy with picking up leftists from diners and whatnot after a political discussion where you would pretend to agree with everything they say. Then, somewhere down the road, you’d decide whether or not to bury the body or let mother nature take care of it.
You one of them?
GTFO you drink retarded Marxist bitch. No one gives a fuck what you have to say and you aren’t clever or funny.
Go drink some more rotgut so you can die faster.
Sarc drinks only the finest wood alcohol.
Should send him a barrel of it, and let nature take its course after the thirsty bitch guzzles the whole thing.
Or let denatured take its course, as the case may be.
GFY
Yep. Too bad, so sad. It’s becoming a bad time to be a democrat. And deservedly so.
They are the ones making the comments in public. Chaya is just boosting their reach. If their employers find this stuff on their own and take action, then I have no problem with it. If followers are getting doxxed and randos are contacting employers then I have a problem and would caution Chaya on how she uses her platform.
It's clear that this hand-wringing is only because lefties are being exposed as nutters and finally seeing negative consequences
If she had just showcased the hatred of these lowlifes like when she first started I’d be ok but she brought it to attention of this hateful persons bosses
To me that’s not cool.
She’s a tiny insignificant fish. No reach, no power just with poor judgment and impulse control.
Showcasing their TDS in a general context is one thing and fine but I,d sat it is cxl culture to actively provoke consequences for the schmuck
Who wrote the rules on doxing? Not the right but now it's a thing when the chickens come on back?
If a private citizen says something online in their own time that is one thing. If a public servant does it then there is a problem. How do I know that a fire chief for example, who hates Trump and calls for his assignation isn't going to show up to my house on fire and see a bunch of Trump signs or flags and just not try as hard to save the structure.
If you condone violence against others, you should welcome violence from them. Crying weee weee weee, all the way home, when the tables are turned, is the behavior of a hypocrite.
I’m low on sympathy, sorry, Billy. The woke crowd started this culture war, and there’s a huge difference between cheering on assassination and not caring what some snowflake’s pronouns are. I sure don’t blame any employer firing someone who wishes an assassination attempt had been successful.
“there’s a huge difference between cheering on assassination and not caring what some snowflake’s pronouns are.”
This.
Very true
I’m low on sympathy, sorry, Billy.
Finally Billy Binion has met a cancel culture story HE wants to write about.
80 billion cancel culture stories out there and Billy choses this one.
They’re gonna put BB in a rubber room after the election.
Well, he does write for REASON. You can't expect him to be be reasonable.
Chaya Raichik, the woman behind the popular Libs of TikTok social media accounts, has complained in the past about the efforts to "cancel and silence" her. It appears she is taking a page from the playbook she supposedly hates.
If you can't tell what the difference is, I'm not sure it can be explained to you.
So what is the difference?
Here's just the tip.
I don't understand. That video is about how Chaya was doxxed, not about canceling.
Lol. Fucking retard.
Stop playing this game you fat bitch.
You understand that she was doxxed because she REPOSTED things leftist had already publicly done/said/videoed, in an attempt to silence her, right?
Here, from what I said just above:
"there’s a huge difference between cheering on assassination and not caring what some snowflake’s pronouns are"
Of course, you'll play dumb as usual.
He’s trying to get something out of us that he can parse and then twist with one of his bullshit sophist arguments.
He's not playing.
Agreed. She reposts what they wrote. She doesn't re-write or take out of context.
Yet, the left gets upset because it shows their true feelings behind the masks
The left thinks it’s unfair to hang them with their own rope.
That’s (D)ifferent!
That is one thing that has always surprised my by the vitriol slung her way. She is just reposting public comments, nothing more.
I’m not sure it can be explained to you.
Once again, IMO, the distinction to me is core to fundamental rationality. Take a toddler, a dog, dolphin, mouse, elephant... even ants and crows, apparently, and critique its behavior in relatively real time and it will learn and grow. Maybe not in the way you necessarily want it to, but you aren't cancelling, torturing, or abusing it.
Take any of the above, select a behavior from months or even years prior in an entirely different context and choose to shame or punish it for the behavior and you aren't teaching it anything or critiquing it. You're just acting as something between the fickle hand of fate and the cruel hand of vengeance for your own and/or others amusement. Potentially well out side any "Burn the witch that caused our crops to fail last season!" cancel-happy, insanely irrational Puritan.
It's not always about those being punished. Sometimes it's about teaching *other people*.
Pour encourager les autres
Sometimes it’s about teaching *other people*.
The principle still stands, maybe even moreso.
The classic example I keep coming back to is Trudeau in blackface. "Don't, perfectly acceptably, show up to a party in blackface and then, two decades later, get elected PM." isn't a reasonable lesson to learn. "Don't allow your PM to have worn blackface in a then-socially-acceptable manner two decades ago." is even less so.
I should note that this is different if the behavior or the consequences or the desired behavior continue to (re)present themselves over time.
The old joke dad used to make whenever he would get exasperated because my brother or I would forget to clean up our laundry or turn off lights or put the tools we borrowed back or whatever was that he was just going to start smacking us and let us figure out what we did wrong. It's an open control loop and while it might work OK as a guardrail or signpost for relatively routine operation, for hard enforcement and/or hard failures it doesn't fix the problem and only breeds more pathos.
We know what she did. Again the punishment *isn't for her*, it's to tell other people to not do that.
Maybe don't put every stupid thought that enters your head on the internet? Or at least do it anonymously.
I'm not a big fan of going after private individuals with no public presence like this. Who gives a shit if the Home Depot cashier is an idiot? But that's what's going to happen if you put it out there for all to see.
And can you really cancel someone who no one has ever heard of? This may be mean spirited and unfair, but I don't think "cancel culture" is quite the right term.
I don’t think “cancel culture” is quite the right term.
I would agree that it's punching down but, even then, it's not like Raichik hunted them down at work.
I'm not sure how the @gregsunderland5 or whomever knew about the post and where they worked and this was an online/offline fisticuffs that Raichik ended, but I agree with you and stick by my definition of cancel culture.
I would agree that it’s punching down
Sometimes people beneath you need punched.
It’s like when some mouthy little mouthy punk ( like Sarc ) starts something. Then whines and cries when someone is ready to push back. And that’s what democrats all are, mouthy little punks. Enough hearings, literal and metaphorical, and maybe some of them learn.
Yeah.
I'd even go so far as to agree, reinforce, or state that it's a good thing that she got punched as a cashier at Home Depot so that she can go be a greeter at Wal-Mart or check IDs at Costco or whatever rather than having her exercise her sociopathy in some mid-level office management or HR position or, worse, start her own company where this sort of BS would cause clients to flee and other innocent people to lose their jobs.
Just saying the "social symmetry" is objectively disparate.
Yes, yes it is, Binion.
*That is the point.*
Let's see how they like it. Sauce for the goose and all that.
The right is the absolute worst, yet it is somehow supposed to act better than the left, Weird,
All the MAGAs in the comments are busily creating phony justifications for why it's okay to do it to "leftists". Next time it happens to a MAGA, "leftists" should coordinate justifications in the comments about why it's okay to to it to MAGAs and rightists.
Poor baby, life is so unfair!
Terrible too.
You freaks do it by the hundreds of thousands every hour. Who do you think you're fooling?
All the MAGAs in the comments are busily creating phony justifications for why it’s okay to do it to “leftists”.
Well, duh. It’s called The Trump Defense. Goes something like this.
“Democrats did it first and worse so that makes it ok!”
These guys love big government if they are in charge and can use it as a weapon against people they don’t like. Libertarians promote smaller government because they know anyone in charge is going to suck. “Me today, you tomorrow.” So the MAGAs hate libertarians. Because they want the power.
To go full nerd here, libertarians want to destroy the ring, while MAGAs want to be He-Man.
GFY
One of your creepy friends just shot Trump, I sure hope he fucks you over.
Maybe it is the "Trump Defense".
But the entire reason Trump became President was because they were tired of their civil candidates getting pilloried over and over again.
At some point, one throws up their hands and says "Enough! These are the rules you want to play by? Then we're going to start playing by your rules, too."
And now all those people are complaining that we're no longer being civil. Well, so what? Why should I care? Why should you be the only one to have fun?
Ed, it’s about to get real fucking bad for you democrats. I’ve warned all of you for years now that this was coming. You’re reaping what you’ve sowed.
Get ready for Hell you pinko bitch.
the next time a MAGA or anyone calls for the harm of anyone they will also deserve to be fired. but not for, not accepting that a man can be a woman when they can't ever. no one has to accept their insanity
“Next time….”
Lol. Yeah, why have they waited so long? Idiot.
No, our justifications are very real. Unlike your democrat bullshit.
You still haven’t figured it out. We’re Americans, you’re not. You democrats are just a marxist parasitic infestation that exists to leech off the sweat and blood of productive people, while contributing nothing. You just destroy whatever you touch. This is why your democrat cities are dystopian hellholes.
Now you’ve gone way too far and it’s going to get real fucking bad for you. So real the whirlwind, asshole.
Let's not forget that until a few years ago, when people started cancelling back, that this was all 'this is just consequences culture'. 'There is no such thing as canceling, only the CO sequences of your speech'.
Well, here's some consequences, ma'am.
All these posts that LoT is highlighting were put on the internet to signal the sender's virtue. Well, we have deciphered the signal and responded accordingly. I don't want people that vile teaching kids, or cooking food, or sucking down tax dollars any longer.
I would prefer that not be allowed to inhabit the US anymore.
Listen, I don't think that anyone should be fired for their stupid opinions. And if I were LoTT, I would probably limit my activities to pointing out what they said, and not publishing their place of employment. Especially for private individuals who are not public figures, politicians, or celebrities. Or maybe government employees.
However, I don't blame the companies / organizations who decide to freely disassociate themselves from these toxic people.
Nah, fuck them. These people have been asking for this for years. It’s time to start wrecking their lives for their sick Marxist bullshit. Their kind should live in constant fear for the evil things they do and say.
No mercy for Marxists.
Yeah, this is my take. I don't like punching down in general.
And two wrongs don't make a right, but two people taking shots from respectively elevated positions does bring closure.
Democrats have no principles, but they have fear. They need to learn painful lessons that will instill fear within them. Its the only possible way their presence here can be tolerated.
>> in hopes of claiming their scalps.
I don't believe she acts in hopes of claiming anything other than exposure of the other side.
If you're an asshole, odds are you'll eventually get fucked. Turnabout is fair play.
Pro Hamas Columbian medical student says all Jews should die
Billy - "She's not a public figure, leave her alone"
This is absurd. Donald Trump IS a public figure. If the Home Depot worker wished death upon a neighbor she had a feud with, we can move on. This is different.
Reason would fire any writer who had wished that assassination had succeeded. A serious publication cannot associate itself with such sentiment, even if it was spur of the moment. It doesn't matter if a mob had discovered it, or if two commenters here objected to it. And this is different from that whole "Woodchipper" fiasco, which was clearly hyperbole.
I don't understand why some writers here choose to be obtuse so they can play equivalency game. It's unreasonable for a college to discipline a student for wearing a sombrero to a Halloween party. Blackface? Yes, that's objectionable. Sensitivity and DEI training and all that is fine in that case. Calling for the death of the Dean of the school? That's expulsion. We're not allowed to make distinctions, note the severity of the offense?
"Reason would fire any writer who had wished that assassination had succeeded."
Would they? I bet most of them hoped it succeeded but they are smart enough not to put it in writing.
Well, they would have, to be sure, reluctantly and strategically hoped the assassination had succeeded. So there's that.
But they’re not going to say that out loud. Except for Welch.
“Reason would fire any writer who had wished that assassination had succeeded.”
No they would not:
https://x.com/mattwelch/status/1102654202545913857?s=12
That needs to be brought up constantly, and on his Twitter feed. He should never be allowed to forget that.
The post is from 2019. What am I missing?
I wish that everyone running for office in 2024 would mysteriously die of natural causes. Is that OK?
It would be if you made an exception for Trump.
So everyone but Trump?
Works for me.
Cry more, asshole; you're going to get in a lot of practice.
Biden got COVID.
Right.
Biden handlers took him out of the public view for an as yet to be determined period of time.
If they want to say it was The Communist Chinese Flu, they can. They could also say he slipped and twisted his ankle.
But he is back in the bunker and fully under control. That part, at least, is true.
If this is the best the country can offer, do you really want to meet second-best?
Wait, what's wrong with wearing a sombrero? It's just a hat.
If I have a company with an employee that deals with the public and that person is online with insane tweets that alienate half of my customer base then I have an obligation to tell that person to stop or be fired. I'm under no obligation to take a financial hit for that person. If you can't stop yourself from going online and calling for death of someone, supporting some weird cause or screeching about whatever then you get what's coming if that affects my business.
Billy how to tell us that you don't understand cancel culture without just saying it.
Reposting someone's words is not cancel culture. Was there a protest? Was there letters sent to Home Depot? What about boycott?
Funny, democrats always get upset when something they posted gets reposted. Once posted you know it's in general use
Was there letters sent to Home Depot?
Raichik sent her video about Ms. Pinckney directly to Home Depot.
Poor crybully.
Good. Things need to get real fucking difficult for you and your fellow travelers Pedo Jeffy.
Cancel culture, also known as callout culture, is a social phenomenon where people or groups are ostracized for actions or opinions that are deemed unacceptable by a subset of the population. This ostracism can take place in social or professional circles, online or in person, and can include shunning, boycotting, firing, or assault. The term "cancel culture" was first used in 2016, and has become a prominent topic of societal discourse.
Everyone here knows what it is you dumb bitch. You are not in any way informative for pointing out what we all know better than you do.
Now fuck off, adults are talking.
Can anyone here provide some examples of individuals on the right who were victims of 'cancel culture' such as Ms. Pinckney here, who were just ordinary people? Not celebrities or politicians or people who otherwise had some meaningful public platform.
Here's one: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/alisonvingiano/this-is-how-a-womans-offensive-tweet-became-the-worlds-top-s
And here's another: https://nypost.com/2020/12/29/white-teen-kicked-out-of-college-after-n-word-video-resurfaces/
Nick Sandman.
You're welcome
The teacher who got fired for Halloween “blackface”. I think it was years later and she was actually going as a specific black character from a movie. It wasn’t blackface in any real vaudevillian sense.
James Damore was the first. (Google)
Then:
https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/12-people-canceled-the-left-after-expressing-conservative-views
And Damore didn't even do anything offensive, or call for anyone to be attacked, harassed, or intimidated. He just committed wrongthink.
James Damore was the first. (Google)
Disagree.
Brendan Eich and I would entertain arguments about Julian Assange.
But, technically, media has been running hit pieces effectively since media began.
Of course, right after the edit window closes, Anita Bryant’s name pops back into my head.
Relative to my point about cancel culture above; imagine going back to 1977-78 and telling people “No, no. Anita’s right. In 2024 homosexuals will be openly advocating for not just the sexualization of children, but mutilation of their genitals as a right or ability of the schools over their own parents' knowledge and wishes.” You’d probably be put in a straight jacket before you could finish saying, “And the Disney Corporation will be leading the charge.”
Lying Jeffy has me muted. Someone else show him this thread:
https://x.com/RobProvince/status/1813619827409555686
https://x.com/RobProvince/status/1813619827409555686
"Lying Jeffy has me muted. Someone else show him this thread:"
https://x.com/RobProvince/status/1813619827409555686
Can anyone here provide some examples of individuals on the right who were victims of ‘cancel culture’
My god.
I think they still blame that on the Jews.
Nah, that was just The Christ.
I blame the Romans.
Judas Iscariot seemed to blame himself.
I think Sevo has a solution for that situation.
He just wants us to cook our time writing ten million name lists.
We had the 1000 or so people here locally in St. Louis who got snitched on by their neighbors for alleged violations of (now illegal) covid restrictions. The county set up an anonymous hotline for it and everything. They were just ordinary Janes and Joes.
Of course, the tables were turned when the stupid 'anonymous' hotline, turns out was still subject to Missouri's Sunshine Law:
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/investigations/tips-released-st-louis-county-businesses-not-compliant-stay-home-order-coronavirus/63-45c38fc8-5714-48f5-8de6-09c8ffdeff21
Snitches get stitches.
They deserve them, but, to my knowledge the most any of them suffered was some public shaming and lost friendships.
Which is remarkably restrained on the part of people whose family businesses were shut down and lives interrupted by a bunch of busybody Karens.
You never know, some people may have quietly gotten various forms of revenge.
Sealioning, is it?
Remember Morgan Bettinger?
https://reason.com/2023/04/24/the-most-hated-person-on-campus/
FIRE lists 640 documented instances against moderate or conservative professors (and even against some who are left-wing but deemed insufficiently so):
https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/scholars-under-fire#home/?view_4_filters=%7B%22match%22%3A%22and%22%2C%22rules%22%3A%5B%7B%22field%22%3A%22field_6%22%2C%22operator%22%3A%22is%22%2C%22value%22%3A%22From%20the%20left%22%2C%22field_name%22%3A%22Political%20motivation%22%7D%5D%7D&view_4_page=1&view_4_sort=field_3|desc
The left put Douglass Mackey in prison over a meme.
He tricked people into texting their vote!!!!
On the wrong day, even!
It was the internet meme version of those 'FREE BEER YESTERDAY' signs I occasionally see outside of roadside bars in rural Missouri.
Yes. He did. Using a 'meme' that was ripped off from Clinton campaign materials. What Mackey did was qualitatively different than your typical meme. If you can't see that then that is on you. What Mackey did was much closer to fraud.
It wasn't, you fat fuck. Just admit you’re scum and slither away, never to return.
1. Acshually, the government didn’t provide one instance of someone not actually voting because of his memes.
2. Fraud requires (or should) that a reasonable person wouldn’t be able to tell the difference or know that the information provided was false. Now, you might argue that some Hillary voter is dumber than a 5th grader, but a reasonable person is not dumb enough to think you can vote by text like American Fucking Idol.
3. If only we had a contemporaneous case where the person made a post to “trick” the other team but wasn’t prosecuted. Oh wait…
2. Fraud requires (or should) that a reasonable person wouldn’t be able to tell the difference or know that the information provided was false.
Here is one of the 'memes' that Mackey was convicted for.
https://x.com/JoelWBerry/status/1641909866876002304
Look at the presentation of this image. It looks polished and professional and if you didn't know better, you would think that it came straight from Hillary's campaign. It even has the tiny disclaimer at the bottom of "Paid for by Hillary" which is a lie. I don't know how you can claim that a reasonable person can look at that and say it doesn't look legit.
And even if you think it shouldn't be illegal, it is STILL qualitatively different than pretty much all of the other memes out there which are OBVIOUSLY user-generated content and not a professional presentation such as that.
Nope. No reasonable person would fall for that. And it’s too easy to verify if it’s legitimate.
Now fuck off. Don’t you have a 55 gallon drum of Ben & Jerry’s to polish off before your next NAMBLA board meeting?
Jesus, Dude. Lighten up, your going to give yourself a coronary.
I hope to give him a coronary. We’ve all been putting up with his lying leftist bullshit here for years. If anything, I need to stop being so nice to him.
That is the first meme I've seen from that case and it sure looks professional to me down to the text at the bottom. That guy should have included something silly in the fine print to differentiate it from an official campaign ad. I still don't think he should go to jail over it, a small fine and "don't do it again" would be sufficient I think.
Emmanuel Cafferty was fired from his position at San Diego Gas and Electric (SDG&E) for the using the ridiculously alleged 'white power symbol' of the 'OK sign'. He was actually just cracking his knuckles.
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/502975-california-man-fired-over-alleged-white-power-sign-says-he-was/
Also, he's Mexican-American.
Did anyone find out who that snitch was?
No, but one of PG&E's backhoes was missing for two days - - - - - - - - -
The snitch later apologized and said he might have misread the whole situation. I'm not sure he was ever publicly named, but I'm going to give him a conditional pass, based on that. Caught up in the moment of whatever, otherwise normal (ish?) people act stupid sometimes.
No, that is ridiculous and evil regardless of context.
I wonder if someone taught that snitch a lesson.
I give no pass to someone that is walking around all day waiting to be offended by something so they can snitch on them.
Can anyone here provide some examples of individuals on the right who were victims of ‘cancel culture’ such as Ms. Pinckney here, who were just ordinary people?
Ever hear of the right wing, MAGA monster Covington Kids and their feral assault on the kind, elderly, Native American tribal elder/war hero?
Kyle Rittenhouse.
This didn't go well for you, did it?
For all pretentious, long winded phrasing, Pedo Jeffy is quite stupid. A dull little mind trapped in a weak, morbidly obese body.
What do you mean? It went great! I got a lot of information that I didn't have before. Sincere thanks to those who offered their info.
Really? You’re here every day and you didn’t hear about any of these?
I’m gonna refrain from making a fat joke, but yes, you have clearly earned your “lying Jeffy” reputation.
In other words, your little ‘gotcha’ backfired epically. Which is a daily occurrence here for you.
LOL What a buffoon.
Thanks for the references for those who answered honestly.
It seems to me, that of the list that was provided, not too many of them were canceled *specifically* because of political beliefs or criticism of a specific political figure. There were definitely a few, like the guy who was fired for tweeting about supporting an anti-abortion law, or the guy who was fired as a game developer when his political donations to Trump were uncovered. But they seemed to be in the minority.
Many of them seemed to be 'cancellations' that were the result of a misunderstanding, or overly cautious bosses (sometimes to the point of stupidity). Such as the one student who was kicked out of school when he posted an image of a gun with a message about standing against tyranny. The school administrators took that image to mean that he was a threat to the school itself. That wasn't true, it was the school being overly cautious. But I don't think it can be fairly claimed that this person was canceled because of his political views about guns.
I would even include the Sandmann incident in this category. The entire hullabaloo started when a user uploaded a misleadlingly edited video to social media, and then people rushed in to fill in the gaps with their own biases rather than search for the bigger truth. The real issue here wasn't that he was 'canceled' based on his political views (he really didn't express any), the issue was his prejudicial treatment. The 'cancellation' involving the kid with the Kansas City Chiefs garb falls in this category too.
And then there were 'cancellations' when the victim did something completely stupid and cringeworthy, but not overtly political. Such as the Justine Sacco story, or the one where the student was kicked out of college for her use of the N word years earlier. Again, the cancellations were stupid and over the top, but not really political in nature.
And then there were 'cancellations' where the victim took a moral stand, but not directly linked to a particular political position. Such as, the teacher who was fired for refusing to use transgender students' preferred pronouns. It's not explicitly left-wing or right-wing to refuse to use preferred pronouns, the teacher himself didn't cite any political animus, he cited the convictions of his Christian faith. That is more a question of cancellation over moral and religious grounds, rather than political grounds.
So from the examples provided, it does seem like the cancellations over overtly political behavior seem rather rare.
I am not sure how to judge that FIRE link about professors who were 'canceled'. That is a whole other discussion. That one also seems to be a grab-bag of unprofessional behavior, hysterical students, and overly cautious administrators.
I also note that in a lot of these cases, the cancellation occurred because the victim's employer wanted to save their reputation, and thought that firing/kicking out the victim would help that institution preserve their reputation. That is a bit of a problem IMO, instead of these companies viewing employees as team members who sometimes make mistakes and should be affored a little bit of grace, they viewed employees as disposable liabilities to be discarded. I don't think it should be mandated or anything, but I would urge employers to treat employees with a little bit more dignity and grace.
"I also note that in a lot of these cases, the cancellation occurred because the victim’s employer wanted to save their reputation"
Do you think Home Depot fired that low-skilled, easily replaceable worker because they have an overt political stance, or just because they don't want to offend 40% of their customer base?
Obviously it is for saving their reputation and so they don't drive away customers. That is what I meant.
Oh please. Pathetic.
Oh, gee, we're supposed to brush off and ignore cancellations happening because of misunderstandings, but only be outraged when it's over something overtly political.
Whatever. You do you!
How many do you want?
"A white nationalist who participated in the torch-lit march through the University of Virginia’s campus this weekend has lost his job at a Berkeley, Calif., hot dog restaurant after Twitter users posted his photo and place of employment. The employee, Cole White, was identified online after he was photographed among a shouting and torch-wielding mob during the march Friday night in Charlottesville."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/food/wp/2017/08/14/charlottesville-white-nationalist-demonstrator-fired-from-libertarian-hot-dog-shop/
The WaPo puts the most ominous spin on it possible, but bottom line is he stood in the Unite the Right rally, didn't break any laws, wasn't charged with a crime, but forced to resign from his lofty position where he made HOT DOGS.
Nobody yet even mentioned Jack Phillips - the 'Just Bake the Cake!' guy. Repeatedly targeted by woke activists. Taken to court at least twice.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/colorado-high-court-hear-case-christian-baker-refused-make-trans-theme-rcna118815?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=651d9a5674209d0001cd9596
You could be cancelled for not participating in the culture wars/pouncing since forever:
Haha. So selectively nuanced.
Look up "Tit for tat in game theory". Yes, cancelling someone is bad, but the left has done it for so long, with no sign of stopping or even hesitation, that now the proper response is to retaliate in kind. If your opponent in a boxing match keeps hitting below the belt, and the ref refuses to notice, then maybe some groin punches are in order to get the opponent to stop.
Also, I don't think anyone on the right has said that no one should *ever* be punished for online speech. The problem is that the bar for the speech is ridiculously low. I want the bar set incredibly high, but calling for a fellow citizen to be murdered clears that bar.
Not just “calling for”, some of them celebrated the guy in the crowd dying.
Didn't the online persona, Destiny, just do that too?
Yeah. Not sure why that guy is famous in the first place, he seems to be a garden variety troll.
And the guy with the meth franchise for his zip-code; manic.
I actually think that, outside of the tit-for-tat context, the “celebrating” part shouldn't get someone fired — again, if we weren’t in a situation where someone on the right could lose their job for using the wrong pronouns. In a reasonable climate I’d set the bar at calling for future violence, for most people. But that’s not where we are.
By “most people”, I mean people who can’t cause significant harm via action or neglect during the course of their work. I’d set the bar for termination lower for a nurse or a firefighter (to use examples I’ve seen on LoTT’s feed). I don’t want someone who might be slower to rescue someone from a burning house because there’s a Trump sign on the lawn.
But to repeat a third time to make it clear: that standard is for someday when “progressives” stop cancelling. Until then, the threshold for MADD has long since been crossed.
"MADD" should be "MAD" there. I'm talking about Mutually Assured Destruction, not Mothers Against Drunk Driving.
You were exactly correct.
A threat or ultimatum is meaningless unless it is carried out.
Chaya has adopted the tools of her adversaries and is using it very precisely, and effectively. More power to her.
Except this was calling for future violence through the normalization of violence as acceptable.
Free speech ain't free.
Deal with it.
Inglorious basterds, the social media edition.
Josie weighs in:
The same people outraged over those getting fired from their jobs for celebrating the death of a firefighter and lamenting a failed assassination wanted you fired from your job for being unvaccinated 3 years ago, and also wanted your children taken away so I’m fresh out of fuks.
https://x.com/TRHLofficial/status/1813628609669865714
29% of democrats wanted the state to take children away from parents who didn't get them the covid "vax".
The only rule that exists now is friend/enemy distinction, and the only principle that matters is winning.
It's going to have to get a lot uglier.
And that was from "the party of science," which seems to have no clue how to calculate relative risks. Children were at close to zero risk from COVID-19. The new and experimental shot (emergency use authorized) was not close to zero risk.
Older people and people with compromised immune systems might have been smart to get the shot, since the benefits (lesser symptoms, better survival odds) outweighed the risks. For healthy young people under 50, they probably didn't. For healthy young people under 20, they definitely didn't.
Some of the COVID Karens even realized that, but thought the shot would stop kids from spreading the disease to others who were actually at risk, but they were mistaken, or misled, since the shot didn't stop transmission.
Do I think it's wrong to get plebs fired from their jobs because they were crass assholes on social media? No matter what side they're on?
Yep.
Do I believe that the left is wholly responsible for this bed that they made, and they are simply being forced to lie in it?
Also yep.
tagging their employers in hopes they are rendered jobless.
Does Raichik explicitly say her goal is for these people to be rendered jobless? Because another way of looking at it is she is bringing information to the attention of an employer that can give the employer more information in evaluating an employee's temperament, judgment and fitness for the job. Progressive are generally unable to perform tasks more complex than changing a lightbulb; maybe Home Depot realized this woman represented a threat to their bottom line.
https://x.com/LouisvilleGun/status/1813574817507107327
Great read. Left wing cancel culture was completely out of control. They made their beds.
"The other guy started it" doesn't have much long-term use when the other guy already knows that the thing he/she started is wrong. But when the other guy doesn't even acknowledge that the thing they started was wrong, sometimes they have to experience retaliation-in-kind to learn.
In a perfect world, yeah, everyone would have learned that on the elementary school layground. Unfortunately, too many "adults" apparently did not learned that lesson.
I just wish Home Depot paid as much attention to tweets telling them to go wipe off their filthy merchandise once in a while.
Ha, nothing in that place hasn’t been dropped off a forklift.
My favorite Home Depot joke is that all the employees wear aprons to avoid accidentally getting work on themselves.
So where were you Billy in 2020, when the Mother of a Georgia Police officer was fired from her job for defending her son who was accused of killing a Black suspect?
She probably can’t be fired for exercising her 1A rights. But she ~can~ and probably should be isolated from customers. Toilets, after all, don’t clean themselves….
The 1st Amendment restricts the government from taking action for speech. It doesn't stop companies, for good reasons or bad reasons, from firing employees for speech.
A union contract or a state law might be able to do that, but the state law option runs into some 'freedom of association' issues.
As far as I'm aware, Home Depot employees are not unionized, in most places.
Good.
Ooooh, oooh, hang on. I get to resurrect a meme!
"Muh private cumpnees!"
^Half right.
It's the 14A that does that, not the first.
These comments were put on the internet for the world to see. I will not condemn LoT for helping the world see them. If they only wanted friends/family to read their bile, there are ways to do that; they did not take those steps. I type and delete more replies to X than I actually post, because I pause and think.
Punch above your weight . . . .
Or just destroy all your enemies. Especially the Marxists.
Some idiot cashier is not my enemy. People like Peter Strzok are,
Nope. She's your enemy too. She just took her mask off.
^+1.
That idiot cashier and millions of other idiots like her elect the people that give Peter Strzok his power, and them give him cover when he should be imprisoned for his crimes.
So she is absolutely the enemy. Just not a very impressive one.
Zach Dean for OutKick [wrote] "Shoutout to the Home Depot for quickly nipping this ugly human in the bud."
Um, did OutKick then kick out Dean?
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from private repercussions. Home Depot is a private company. If they want to fire an employee for speech which may be detrimental to their company, that's their right (and also freedom of association BTW). It doesn't matter if Libs of Tiktok brought it to their attention or if their next door neighbor told them. Additionally, she was also arguing with customers, which is also a reason to fire her ass.
I don't know how many people here have run a business, but I can tell you I would use any excuse to fire a bad employee I don't want and every excuse to keep a good employee that I do want. I guarantee that if Ms. Pinckney were a saleswoman hitting 300% of quota, she would still be employed.
she was also arguing with customers, which is also a reason to fire her...
This seems like the main reason. Poor customer relations.
"poor communication skills".
Even HR can't argue that one.
Works every time.
This article is utterly facile.
Words have consequences.
Speech is only free from government consequences.
It’s not free from private consequences.
We don’t settle elections with bullets in America.
Nor do moral people who retain their humanity advocate for murder.
She’s an immoral reprobate who has no conscience or civic virtue.
That’s not a person I want in my orbit or the orbit of those I love.
She deserved to be fired.
In fact, I’m glad of it.
"words have consequences" is what i heard every day for years as these little bolsheviks got their enemies removed from social platforms and fired from jobs for the pettiest shit imaginable.
I'm not losing one second of sleep over seeing this backfire on them.
And That's A Good Thing!
The Republican Party has become the very cancel culture it pretends to rail against. PBS: Canceled. Transgender kids: Canceled. Books that contain a passing profanity or, heaven forbid, something suggesting that sexual attraction is a thing that exists: Canceled. Abortion: Canceled.
Today’s mainstream Republican Party — the party of Donald Trump and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene and former Fox News host Tucker Carlson — has become the party of cancel culture, a bubble-dwelling collection of right-wing caricatures who speak an intolerant and often conspiratorial language most regular Americans, and particularly most younger Americans, can’t understand.
Cry harder
I'm not crying at all, so I can hardly cry harder. In fact, I'm laughing at you, so I will laugh harder.
Gee, crying about PBS, a taxpayer funded broadcaster, e.g. propaganda, getting canceled on a libertarian leaning site as a bad thing Republicans have done? Fuck dude do you even understand what a libertarian is?
There are few libertarians here. Most of you are MAGAs.
Transgender kids: Canceled? You bet.
If what you're talking about is the psychological manipulation of said kids in public schools to the point that they have a gender dysphoria / dissociative complex. I don't think that should be happening.
If what you're talking about is permanent physical mutilations in the form of untested and unapproved hormone 'treatments', body-altering surgeries, and the like, for minors - yes that should be illegal and people should go to jail.
You do realize that the Europeans have already turned the corner on this topic, realizing that the outcomes have not been remotely what was promised or anything close to good. It's just the American Left that insists on remaining in 'Full Retard Mode' on the 'transgender kids' thing.
https://donoharmmedicine.org/research/2023/reassigned/
"By contrast, more than half of the European countries examined in the research have set the minimum age for sex change surgeries at 18: Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Luxembourg, Sweden and the United Kingdom. Iceland and Ireland have a minimum age of 16 for sex change surgeries. While Norway and the Netherlands permit trans-identified girls to have double mastectomies at 16, all other procedures are only available to adults."
Don't be obtuse. I'm talking about canceling kids who consider themselves transgender. You're creating straw men by throwing in psychological manipulation and surgery.
Yeah, it's totally unacceptable that 4th graders can no longer read that essential library tome: Johnny Wants It Up the Ass.
Kids could learn so much from that book, but extreme MAGA have stopped them.
Which elementary school had that book on the shelf and allowed 4th graders to check it out? Please be specific.
Sorry you pinko cunt, we hit back.
"Today’s mainstream Republican Party — the party of Donald Trump and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene and former Fox News host Tucker Carlson — has become the party of cancel culture,"
Todays.
Ed.
G.
Is.
A.
Lying.
Pile.
Of.
TDS.
Addled.
Shit.
I prefer it become the party of McCarthyism 2.0. Which is a good thing. McCarthy was correct about nearly everything, and an American Hero. Had he been allowed to continue his work we might not be in this mess.
That's a pretty ridiculous comment. Being opposed to something is "cancelling"? You are basically saying that having strong opinions on major issues is engaging in cancel culture.
When opinions progress into actions such as boycotts, doxing, getting a person fired, or making death threats, that is no longer merely expressing a strong opinion.
https://x.com/Oilfield_Rando/status/1813585884199231888
@Oilfield_Rando
Can’t help remembering that time a rodeo clown got banned from performing for wearing an Obama mask
So should you be fired from any job you have and banned from working because you apparently are one that advocated a judge to be fed into a woodchipper? (Going by your username)
How is that different, wishing a judge was killed vs Trump being killed?
Yes, I should definitely be banned from any job I have ever had for that... if anyone can determine who I am.
I encourage you to go eat a giant economy sized bag of dicks.
Banned from his job? We already have this woodchipper on idle over here. Wasting gas is bad for the environment!
/sarc
Sorry you're upset the people who dictated these rules don't like living under them. Must be so embarrassing for you.
I'm not calling for anyone to be fed into a woodchipper. I'm just calling for more parity between the number of hyperlitigious federal judges who've nearly been killed by being fed into a woodchipper and the number of presidential candidates who've been nearly killed by an assassin's bullet. You know, in the name of equality. Both sides.
Gosh, let’s see…….
One is an obvious use of hyperbole that references a scene from a well known film with no actual connection to an attempt on anyone’s life. Made by people using anonymous handles on an Internet forum.
The other is someone expressing support for the actual murder of someone who was in fact, nearly murdered. Made by an individual using their really name. Who also works with customers in a public setting, which creates a problem for the employer.
In on Rasmussen poll, 45% of democrats wanted to fine and IMPRISON those who criticized the holy rona vax.
Does that include imprisoning Gov. Newsom for saying he would never take the Trump vaccine?
Nah, the vax magically became good when Biden was put in charge.
One of two things have to be true here:
1: They (dems) had no concerns about the vax, but thought that it would help trump win the election, so they came out against it, causing “vaccine hesitancy” and death.
2: They did have concerns about the vax, but abandoned them upon taking control, knowingly putting people at risk if these concerns were genuine.
Either way not a good look. Fuck them.
I don't think the right gains much by getting people fired, but all sorts of regular people got fired just for being conservative (online and off), so those are the rules the left created. Maybe once they get a taste of their own medicine, the rules will change.
Person A: Punches Person B in the face and gives them a black eye.
Person B: Elbows person A in the mouth and knocks out three teeth.
Person A: "Ow! No fair!"
Maybe if this happens often enough, it will stop altogether on both sides. People should mind their own business, sure. But a situation where there's only one way traffic with this stuff is hardly just.
They arrested someone for leaving a skidmark on a rainbow painted crosswalk.
Multiple people in multiple incidents, and charged them with felonies
Tire tracks on leftist street are are violence (even though streets are designed specifically to be used by tires, not artists).
But calling for a global violent uprising against Israel and Jewish people in general is not, apparently.
Crosswalk? Hell, it takes up the whole goddamned intersection. I drove over that thing the other day on my way home from PF Chang’s.
If an employer who has an employee who they discover is openly supporting and condoning illegal acts - particularly murder, it's only appropriate for them to terminate the employee.
First, such an employee obviously doesn't respect the law and it would be irresponsible to retain the employee as the risk of them not following the law in the workplace - possibly leading even to the death of co-workers and customers - would be negligence which they might even be found civilly libel for by a jury.
Second, the reputational damage to the company for retaining the person if it becomes public that the employee is condoning and supporting illegal acts can be substantial while firing them is likely to cause much less, if any, reputational damage.
There is a big difference between an employee, on their own time, publicly promoting positions that are legal but counter to the employer's preferences and an employee who is publicly demonstrating a disrespect for the law - esp. to the point of condoning assassination.
Yes, but it still seems a little like right-wing Karenism. She didn't make the remark while ringing up a customer order. But an employer has the right to fire any employee for any reason (with obvious exceptions) so Home Depot was probably acting before the local MAGA folks put up a protest outside the store.
The woman did something stupid and vile that made her employment untenable. I would never retain an employee that made public statements in this fashion that could be tied to my business.
Has anyone verified that Pinckney is a leftist, woke or Dem?
Why would it matter?
Because there were many comments saying leftists deserve to reap the cancel culture they've sown.
She could be anything it doesn’t refute the fact Dems have widely disseminated hysterical and irresponsible rhetoric.
Is she responsible for Dems' rhetoric?
Yes, to some extent.
Her own words don't adequately demonstrate that to you?
No. Maybe she's a NeoCon. Maybe she has connections to one of the companies Trump ripped off. Maybe he grabbed her by the pussy. There are many possible reasons to hate someone, even a president, besides politics.
Oh come now. Isn't it obvious? She said something mean about Trump. That is "Marxist" by definition!
Zzzzz
That was weak, even for you.
Well, she is an assassination enthusiast.
This, we know.
https://x.com/GraduatedBen/status/1813595098531184937?t=eu0HQuwkp1gB4gXqIfUl8g&s=19
Just two months ago, DC Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly sentenced Paulette Harlow who is 75-year-old and in poor health to 2 years in prison for praying outside an abortion clinic.
When her husband begged for mercy for fear she would die in prison due to poor health, the Judge mocked their Christian faith saying: "maybe you should make an effort to remain alive because that is a tenet of your religion.
You're doing for free what other people get paid to do.
Obviously the judge was an Obomber appointee.
That judge should be cancelled. After being disbarred of course.
https://x.com/GraduatedBen/status/1813555024624255463?t=8vq_Ku6g3QDJAdmbn_i8Gg&s=19
Craig Robertson, a 75 year old homebound MAGA boomer, made a Facebook comment about Biden similar to what we’re seeing these people say about Trump.
The FBI kicked in his door and shot him dead.
One of your hobbies is browsing twitter and reposting things you like here every day on almost every article, and you often argue with strangers on an internet forum. Everyone in your life would be grateful if you finally got your act together.
And here you are, replying to him...
These are the Rules:
1) Don't pray in front of an abortion clinic.
2) Don't say anything bad about our dear president.
3) Don't make critical comments at school board meetings.
4) Don't own any firearms
5) Never question anything the government says.
Normalize Punching Marxists, just as we normalized punching Nazis.
Win/Win
They’re practically the same thing anyway.
Punch a collectivist.
Kick 'em in the nuts.
Make sure you get both nuts when you do.
You know, to be inclusive.
They don’t HAVE nuts. They ARE nuts.
The Left has shown themselves to be perfectly capable of being both Marxist and Nazi. They are the party of the double standard after all.
Getting a Home Depot Employee Fired for Calling for Trump's Assassination Is Still Cancel Culture
What we are seeing, in glorious real time, started during FJB’s horrorshow debate performance, and has culminated with the failed Trump assassination attempt.
The Democrats and their loyal friends in the media, who hate Trump’s supporters with every fiber of their being, have lost control of the narrative. Their TDS induced fury has resulted in some pretty laughable attempts to regain control of it. Team Blue leftards are getting cancelled? Who the fuck do you think invented cancel culture? Crimes really been going down? JD Vance is a warmonger?
My advice for the journolists is to get Talkspace installed on their phones, and get the help they need to get their emotions under control, and cool it with the unhinged bullshit. Brandon really needs your help guys, don’t let him down!
So ye sow, so shall ye reap.
I have a real hard time squirting some tears for unemployed jackasses who think everyone else should be canceled for ideas like the traditional family, religious beliefs, or two sexes.
Hoisted on your own pertard. I'll feel bad for a second when you hit the castle's wall, then I'll go fix a snack.
It is more than a little ironic that people who largely agreed that a judge should be fed into a woodchipper over a horrible court ruling putting a guy in jail in life over a web site, have no problem with people fired for similar remarks about a politician.
Of course in that case, the Feds were after the comments, not an online mob.
Your last sentence highlights the difference.
I don't know, guys. If you think this lady is "the enemy", then that's pretty fucked up. She is a nobody. She has no power over anyone. She is a working-class grandma.
When you all talk about "The Left", as in "The Left should be stopped" or "The Left is awful", I always thought you were referring to politicians, activists, donors, people who actively participate in left-wing politics. I did not think that you were referring to ordinary nobodies like Ms. Pinckney.
If you actually think that people like Ms. Pinckney are just as much your "enemy" as people like Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, etc., then we are even more far gone than I thought.
We don’t have to equate them she has no power but evidently if she did it would be scary but it’s fine with me if she got fired enemy or not. Who wants people like that around customers and other employees she should have held her mouth.
FAFO.
^+1. Or, make a public ass of yourself and FO.
I think someone above landed on the real reason she got fired. She was likely a bad employee and this gave them a good reason to get rid of her.
There are millions of scum like her and you out there. That’s why things in the US are this bad.
Seems like then all cancel culture isn’t bad.
So, you're standing on a sidewalk, watching traffic and people, and someone walks up to you. He stands close to you, right in your face, and pokes his finger into your chest.
Your basic principles say not to be violent, to be respectful, etc. So you do that.
He pokes you again. Harder. Then again, then again, then hard enough to leave a bruise and a sore spot. Over and over and over he keeps poking you.
Eventually you tell him to fuck off, and when he pokes you again you pop him in the nose.
Billy Binion: "You were violent. You're a hypocrite!"
That would be a fair criticism - if it was Ms. Pinckney who was the one poking her finger in your chest. But she wasn't.
Last time I researched it, you have to decline combat, and be in a tactical position where retreat is impractical before you can claim self defense.
So on the first poke, clearly state "look, I don't want to fight you".
On the second poke, clearly state "I am afraid to turn my back on you while you are being this aggressive".
On the third poke put them on the ground.
(your laws may vary)
In my state, any aggressive touch can be considered a "battery" justifying action in self-defense. I once had a friend who was next to someone in a theater lobby who lit up a cigarette. He tapped the guy on the shoulder and pointed to the No Smoking sign. The guy punched him in the face, knocking him down and bloodying his mouth. They both filed charges against each other. The guy who threw the punch was found not guilty on grounds of self-defense against being tapped on the shoulder.
This is dumb. This is leftist double-think in action. We see it over and over and over, because it’s always the same thing. It has nothing to do with cancel culture. It’s just the same, dumb, bogus, Marxist “oppressor/oppressed” nonsense at work.
Right: “I’m not going to use your preferred pronouns.”
Left: “YOU ARE LITERALLY KILLING US WITH THAT! I’M TELLING YOUR BOSS!”
That’s perfectly reasonable to them, because that’s the “oppressed” being righteous over the “oppressor.”
Right: “You’re literally advocating killing a political rival.”
Left: “I don’t care! Too bad he missed! Screw him! I hate him and want him to die!”
That’s just as equally reasonable in the leftist mind, because again, oppressor/oppressed – and the “oppressor” is always wrong and the “oppressed” is always right.
Oppressor: “What’s 2+2?”
Oppressed: “5”
Oppressor: “That’s not correct.”
Oppressed: “STOP OPPRESSING ME!!!”
Oppressed: “What’s 2+2?”
Oppressor: “You said it was 5.”
Oppressed: “WELL IT OBVIOUSLY CAN’T BE THAT THEN.”
This is how the tiny little protoplastic nerve cluster that mimics a brain works for these people. They don’t live in reality, everything is subjective, and right/wrong are defined by how they feel.
What they’re experiencing right now – that’s not cancel culture. It’s them slamming face first into reality and wondering why it isn’t continuing to bow to their whims.
Reality tells us If A, then B.
Marxism says, “If A, ask Oppressed/Oppressor. If Oppressed, B. If Oppressor, C.
Doesn’t matter what it is. Even if it means enabling pedophiles, supporting terrorists, or encouraging assassination. They’re the “oppressed,” so rainbow pedos, genocidal Hamas, and shooting Trump all fall under the acceptable category. And leftists will not think ONE IOTA further than that, even if it makes them total hypocrites.
Unfortunately, people like her are the very ones that are aiding those trying to destroy this country. F* her and her ilk - let her live by her own rules!
Always punch up. People below you may well deserve it, but it makes you look like an a-hole and it damages your cause.
#AlwaysPunchUp feels an awful lot like an offshoot of #BelieveAllWomen and your policy is going to get a lot of men told to "Just deal with it." for getting punched in the dick for no reason.
Nah. Just destroy Marxist scumbags. Up, down, whatever.
People wishing someone had died are pathetic, but it's not the same as calling for his death ahead of time. The people who should be outed are the ones calling for a "global intifada" (i.e. violent uprising) who are on standby to burn stuff down, block bridges and highways, and intimidate people for their ethnic heritage or religion.
This is rich. Just recently, Reason put out an article pointing out that "sometimes, when you use your right to free expression to say horrible things, other people don't want to be associated with you. That's a more appropriate penalty for a free society than government-mandated assessments of campus speech climates." The conclusion here is that society would hold them accountable for their 1A-protected hate speech by not giving them jobs at the elite organizations and companies they were trained to join. But now, someone who engages in another form of (still protected) hate speech and is exposed and then fired by a PRIVATE company, is "cancelled". How's the old saying go? You can't have your cake, and eat it, too...
^+1.
Billy, get fucked with a running, rusty chainsaw.
While I agree with the sentiment of "fuck 'em. Live by your own rules." I am vehemently opposed to pressuring the employer as well as the employer firing over this.
For a fucking cashier it should only have been a conversation of "take that down and be smarter about future posts."
On the other hand, an employee higher up the chain or who handles communication (especially business media) should be fired since it shows a lack of basic common sense required for the position.
I want free speech (culturally as well as legally), but if society is going to operate under different rules then they need to be evenly applied
Once this asshole made it public, she pretty much guaranteed her firing and pretty much guaranteed she's not gonna get hired elsewhere.
Chaya Raichik: You go, Girl! 🙂
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoist_with_his_own_petard
The problem isn't people being held accountable for saying stupid shit.
In both cases, the problem is extremely influential people hunting nobodies that say stupid things and amplifying the nobody's voice to boost their own fame. It's lame.
How successful is this lady at getting these nutbag teachers that made her famous fired?
At least somewhat. And I know they’re going after educators and public officials who have made similar Trump assassination comments publicly. Which is good. None of these people should be in positions of public trust, or educating children.
Binion is a bleating sheep.
Punishing people for speech within the bounds of acceptable discourse is cancel culture.
Firing an actual clown who wore an Obama mask at a rodeo
Going after a kid in face paint and a feathered headdress at a Chiefs game.
Going after a teen who smirked at a political agitator.
The examples are practically endless.
Those were all politically correct cancel culture and the double standards were obvious.
Meanwhile, social consequences for inciteful speech outside the bounds of civil society are not cancel culture.
Like anyone who advocates that the assassination of a POTUS is acceptable or publicly celebrates the murder of an innocent bystander.
Because to allow that sort of speech to go unchallenged will inevitably lead to very dark places.
You tell me you are glad someone I knew or loved was murdered solely because of which politician they favored?
Well I just might take you at your word and decide that murder is a perfectly acceptable response. You made the rule after all.
No, better that we do recognize there are very real limits to what is acceptable, and that consequences for those that cross those hard lines are not 'cancel culture' but reasonable attempts to keep a modicum of civility.
But you have to choose. Because you don't get to insulate people from the consequences of such speech and keep your civil society. You don't get to have your cake and it it too.
Political murder
Rape
Child abuse
These are bright lines of right vs wrong, not particularly vague or much open to double standards. There are probably a few more, but certainly not many more.
What we clearly need is a national divorce. If we continue as we have been going, we will tear this country apart. A better choice would be an amicable divorce, into maybe 6 or 7 smaller countries, or maybe into 50 states and a few territories.
Just two or three countries would work.
No. Absolutely not. The democrats can leave, or be dealt with. Those are the only acceptable options.
Case closed.
Balkanization? You're insane.
That's China's wet dream.
Some people think that if the US is no longer a superpower that things will be just great.
Employers can fire anyone at anytime for any reason. Furthermore, they don't need or want someone in the public purview making such statements that can offend customers. It's very possible that some customers did make complaints and the management made a decision to fire her.
Furthermore anyone making inflammatory statements especially regarding the assassination attempt on Trump, such as those two idiots made, on the internet, have no reason to complain. They engaged their mouths before putting brain in gear.
What is it about the politically left who believe they can make remarks about inciting violence and attacking others, then feel they are exempt from any retaliation of possible legal action?
This is a good point, for all we know the people who filmed it ALSO complained to management who then promptly fired her. There is no evidence that this is connected to “internet cancel culture” at large.
They're just following the example set by their leaders.
They tried to cancel Libs of TikTok (LOTT) for tweeting out what liberals and progressives were saying and doing on TikTok. She posted their videos and other crazy statements. That was her claim to fame: res ipsa loquitur (the matter speaks for itself). No analysis was needed.
My only issue is LOTT's call to action. Tagging their employers is petty. Let the comment or video "speak for itself" like LOTT's done in the past.
I despise these comments as much as the next person, especially Bendele's. He's a real piece of work if you read his other posts. I'm glad he's not in my local fire dept. But Chaya made him a martyr.
And more people will also sympathize with a middle-aged woman making minimum wage who got fired for making a dumb comment on FB. How many libs do you think said that comment out loud to their like-minded friends after the incident? Probably a lot. They just weren't stupid enough to post it.
LOTT should stick to what it does best: letting the matter speak for itself.
Based on all the comments, what we need is a good old cancelin war. Get your thumbs ready for some taddlin. Who needs government imposed fascism when we can do it to ourselves?
I think that you make a good point.
Who wants a cancelin' war when we can just sit back and let the Left open fire at will on the rest of us?
Wars are terrible. It would be much better if they just eliminated the rest of us.
Oh, they'll get to that. Look up "Decolonization".
play stupid games, win stupid prizes. there should be zero sympathy for these demons wishing death on trump. zero. i'm happy they're losing their jobs. every last one of them should pay the price.
https://reason.com/volokh/2023/11/03/nate-silvers-free-speech-is-in-trouble/?comments=true#comment-10303111
Sure, Billy. Because having an opinion on an issue is totes the same as cheering an a**a**ination and hoping the next one succeeds. Calling you a moron is an insult to morons.