Assassination Attempt
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Bullets: At a campaign rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, on Saturday evening, a gunman tried to assassinate former President Donald Trump.
Trump survived the attack. A bullet apparently grazed his ear, bloodying him. Unfortunately, a member of the audience—50-year-old firefighter and father Corey Comperatore who was reportedly shielding the bodies of his family members also in attendance—was killed, and two others were critically injured but look likely to survive.
The gunman was killed immediately by law enforcement snipers.
The authorities have identified him as 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks. He used what looks like an AR-15 purchased by his father to shoot at Trump from a nearby roof outside the security perimeter, apparently undetected by local police and Secret Service. Nearby onlookers also outside the security perimeter tried to alert police to the existence of the gunman and his rifle, per a BBC interview; police apparently failed to heed the warning. Little is known about the gunman, who seemingly left no manifesto and had very little public online footprint. He appears to have been a registered Republican who had given money to Democratic causes around the time of Joe Biden's inauguration. His mother is a registered Democrat, his father a Libertarian.
A descent into political violence directed toward presidential candidates/former presidents is worrying; the last time this type of thing happened was over 40 years ago, to President Ronald Reagan, when he was shot at in March 1981 by John Hinckley Jr., having just given a speech in Washington, D.C.
Reagan, of course, survived, but the bullet was found by surgeons just inches away from his heart. In Trump's case, the bullet seemingly very narrowly missed his head. The parallels between the two cases are striking.
An Associated Press photographer, Evan Vucci, took the instantly iconic photo of Trump raising his hand, defiant in the face of the attack. Immediately after the shooting, Trump signaled "wait" to his Secret Service agents who had rushed to him, before raising his fist and apparently chanting "FIGHT" to the crowd.
I'm going to be judging people based on their ability or inability to put aside their opinion about Trump and acknowledge that this picture goes extremely hard. pic.twitter.com/bzd9TGEXU7
— Philippe Lemoine (@phl43) July 13, 2024
"A lot of people say it's the most iconic photo they've ever seen," Trump told the New York Post last night. "They're right and I didn't die. Usually you have to die to have an iconic picture."
Media response: Some media organizations wrote headlines meant to hedge, when little was known about what had happened and why. CNN's was "Secret Service rushes Trump off stage after he falls at rally," which sounds at first blush like an issue with frailty, not an issue with a gunman raining down bullets. Others struck a weirder tone, appearing to use the "Republicans pounce" trope, like "MAGA responds with outrage after Donald Trump injured at Pennsylvania rally." (Hopefully everyone responded with outrage, since using violence in an attempt to stop a presidential candidate is bad, and not how we resolve conflict.)
"It is a mercy that Donald Trump was not seriously injured by gunfire at an evening campaign rally in Butler, a Pennsylvania city north of Pittsburgh, and a tragedy that at least one person at the rally was killed," wrote the editorial board of The New York Times. "We hope that Mr. Trump recovers quickly and fully." Other editorial boards have, to their credit, struck the same note. But many of these institutions have, for a long time, aired Hitler comparisons and raised alarms about Trump being a fascist; it shouldn't be surprising when such apocalypticism eventually gets taken seriously by crazies. (That said, the gunman's motive is still not known.)
I still don't understand the response of Dem officials and liberal pundits.
If Trump is Hitler, who will build concentration camps for his critics and never permit another US election -- all of which they claim -- why would they lament this attack and pray for his recovery? pic.twitter.com/NCYit6jheX
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) July 14, 2024
One example: Though Biden has reacted in a classy manner to the Trump news, pulling campaign ads from TV stations for the time being, his campaign X account released this just a few days ago, referencing The Handmaid's Tale and saying quite explicitly that under Trump, this will become reality.
Fourth of July under Trump's Project 2025 pic.twitter.com/D72WNfnSCf
— Biden-Harris HQ (@BidenHQ) July 4, 2024
Note that The Handmaid's Tale depicts a theonomic, authoritarian, totalitarian regime where women are forced into slavery, raped, and forced to bear children for the families who own them. This appears to be hyperbole, not what America would be transformed into under Project 2025—a long and, at times, boring policy document issued by a conservative think tank, the Heritage Foundation, which includes a whole slate of proposals, some favored and others disfavored by Team Trump.
A staffer for Rep. Bennie Thompson (D–Miss.) named Jacqueline Marsaw posted on Facebook immediately following the shooting: "I don't condone violence but please get you some shooting lessons so you don't miss next time oops that wasn't me saying that," which sure sounds like condoning violence. (Marsaw was promptly fired.)
Meanwhile, Dmitri Mehlhorn—a top political adviser to Democratic mega-donor Reid Hoffman, founder of LinkedIn—theorized to reporters less than two hours after the rally "that this 'shooting' was encouraged and maybe even staged so Trump could get the photos and benefit from the backlash," reports Semafor. "Look at the actual shot. Look at the staging. Look at how ready Trump is to rally; this pampered baby shit his pants when an eagle lunged at his food. Look at how quickly Trump protects himself at the expense of others, but showed few of those lifelong instincts in this moment." ("Last night, I sent an email I now regret," Mehlhorn apologized the next day.)
"In a survey conducted last month by the Chicago Project on Security and Threats, 10 percent of respondents agreed that the use of force was justified to prevent Mr. Trump from becoming president, and 7 percent said the use of force was justified to return Mr. Trump to the presidency," writes the Times editorial board.
Put simply: The impulse to cheer or excuse political violence ought to be suppressed. Wishcasting far-fetched conspiracy theories is irresponsible. Attempting to use violence to install or dethrone your preferred politicians is gross always and everywhere; when we tolerate it, we become more like a country relegated to perpetual instability vs. a country with enduring democratic institutions, whose political culture is based on Enlightenment ideals that will—that must—stand the test of time.
Scenes from New York: On Thursday afternoon, parts of Rockaway Beach were closed due to shark sightings, detected by New York City Police Department surveillance drones. Legitimate example of cops doing their jobs well. (I still surfed all weekend, naturally.)
QUICK HITS
- The Republican National Convention kicks off today in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
- A little more about the man killed by bullets meant for Trump: Corey Comperatore was described by some of the firefighters who worked with him as "a great leader." "You couldn't meet a more humble guy," Kip Johnston, the current chief of the fire company, told The New York Times. He raised two daughters, gave to local neighbors in need, and was an avid churchgoer. In the wake of his death, some people have taken to X to dig up unflattering tweets of his; this nasty urge should be resisted. Rest in peace.
- "The search giant's negotiations to buy Wiz, a cybersecurity start-up, for $23 billion, come as the Biden administration has taken a hard line against consolidation in tech and other industries," reports The New York Times.
- "Weak demand in China has meant that the economy is mired in deflation and there's excess production of some goods (especially things which are used to build houses)," reports Bloomberg. "That is pushing down the prices of exports, causing countries in South America to impose tariffs on Chinese steel, and Indonesia and Vietnam and looking into similar actions."
- Britain's new Labour Party prime minister, Keir Starmer, seems well-received in Washington thus far.
- Having a wife who helps you maintain a robust social calendar is nice, actually:
The inexplicable fury over this esteemed scholar acknowledging the role his wife played in his success and the relationship this dynamic had to his own work is another example of a constant pattern in identity politics: "good ally" is a synonym for "soft target". https://t.co/PPhzrKVYtR
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At a campaign rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, on Saturday evening, a gunman tried to assassinate former President Donald Trump.
I assume this was part of Project 2025.
Walls closing in!
"Project 2025"
QAnon, but for Jeff and Pluggo.
Taylor Lorenz of all people put an article out regarding BlueAnon
BlueAnon
(I didn't coin that. I saw it in, of all places, a WaPo headline. I'm only there for the crosswords!)
lol
The gunman was killed immediately by law enforcement snipers.
"Immediately" is in debate.
Read someplace the secret service sniper had him in his sights for 3 minutes, the chick who runs the ss wouldn’t give permission to shoot.
If she had any decency she would resign.
I accept her resignation by Seppuku.
There is no more sincere apology than hara-kiri, after all.
Is there any example in history though of a DEI hire admitting that they were over their head in the job they were handed?
-jcr
It’s the Biden administration, decency is a disqualifying attribute.
By the end of the summer she will have been promoted to head of the FBI right wing extremist threat division.
Cite?
You can find the videos of the sniper trained on him on Twitter. Or the cops report saying they tried accessing the roof.
Here is one:
https://twitter.com/susancrabtree/status/1812462982661841170
It's a pretty decent theory. USSS isn't allowed to shoot first. The shooter probably wasn't quite prepared for his attempt, as he was apparently spotted and had LE closing in on him, and decided it was better to try and die than wuss out and go to jail. That much makes sense.
The problem is, how did the shooter get onto that roof in the first place? Perfect line of sight, decent range, but not already occupied by USSS?
That's the question. The building was outside of the security perimeter so maybe they just figure the snipers have it covered. Whatever the case is, it will be discussed in their internal review.
Classified TS so we never know.
They don't really need to go that high. Secret with caveats so only specific "need to know" types can access it is sufficient.
Secret always has NTK requirements.
"A security clearance allows an individual filling a specific position to have access to classified national security information up to and including the level of clearance they hold, as long as the individual has a "need to know" the information and signed a non-disclosure agreement."
Secret always has NTK requirements.
Yes, I know that. I had a TS during my time in the Air Force. But it can also have caveats added so that additional restrictions are placed on who can read it, as opposed to a general Secret classification. Those tend to be available on sipr for anyone who can access them.
If he really pointed his gun at the cop climbing the ladder, one would think a sniper would have iced him.
I dunno about that, but I can say with certainty that a rooftop an easy rifle shot from the stage would be the sort of thing I'd expect the SS to already have people on top of, not leave unsecured.
Biden wouldn’t give the Trump campaign extra SS that they were requesting for weeks. Just like how they denied RFK Jr. SS protection.
The Governor of Pennsylvania also denied overtime for the State Police for the rally.
dont they grant overtime for commoner garden variety concerts and crap?
Common or garden variety concerts and crap aren’t a threat to our (D)emocracy.
Pennsylvania governor Shapiro should be run out of office for that.
Between him and Fetterman, PA is not sending their best.
Or dead politicians.
Fetterman has been surprisingly based in his comments even if his voting record is lockstep democrat. Maybe the stroke did him some good
Just came out today they also diverted some of Trumps security for the rally to Jill's 16 person rally.
Sixteen people makes a small Euchre tournament.
All that security for Euchre?
I think legislation needs to be passed to take that decision out of the hands of the executive.
Mayorkas said the Trump rally was as secure as the border.
Most honest thing he’s said.
LOL, good one.
They were denied permission from the Company that owns the building.
That doesn't even make sense. The Secret Service doesn't ask for permission to secure the area.
The third and fourth amendment says they should have to.
Yeah, I don't think that you can just say 'no' to that request.
may have been denyial for the rent-a-cops from the city for surrounding area
So who owns that company?
American Glass Research International.
But, I haven't seen any confirmed reports that they denied anyone access to their roofs, just rumors.
I have also read that police did confront the sniper who, was spotted by civilians, but then back off when they saw he was armed. So, the question is why didn't this information get to the SS protection detail to get the former President pulled down immediately before shots started? Likely things happened too quickly, but we need to know if that is the case.
So, the question is why didn’t this information get to the SS protection detail
Given the video of the counter sniper seemingly trained on him, why do you think it didnt?
Well, the only possible explanations, are that the SS counter-sniper was either (a) a "DEI person" or (b) an Antifa plant. Or maybe both!
Dumbass.
Give jeff a break. He had a really embarrassing weekend. Even sarc is trying to offload some of his embarrassment.
Jeff has no shame.
It may have been a difficult weekend to work, and a disappointing one personally for him, but he certainly isn't embarrassed.
Him trying to claim to be the one true libertarian yesterday was amazing.
Hey Fatfuck, the Trump documents case got dismissed today. This really hasn’t been a good month for you democrats, has it?
It's all falling apart. Nothing they have tried is working and he just keeps getting more popular.
The slander with Russia didn't work, the phony impeachments, the J6 staging, the phony charges, the illegal arrests, their judges couldn't knock him off the ticket, and shooting him didn't work.
And these are the people who think that they deserve to run the world.
Well, if they hadn't unloaded the entire arsenal on him and been found to be shooting blanks, things might have turned out differently. Either these fuckers are in on it to let him skate, extremely inept, or he's the cleanest motherfucker in America.
If the next four months go as bad for them as the last one, they won’t even be able to fortify it enough to matter.
Well, from the total lack of introspection, I expect the next four to go way worse.
Time for another George Floyd type incident.
This time they will blame Trump and right wing extremists.
Compare to Trump's treatment of Hillary. He could have tossed her crooked ass in Fort Leavenworth for a couple of millennia given all the counts of evidence tampering, not to mention embezzling all that money she and Bubba collected ostensibly for earthquake relief, but he didn't do that.
He just let her seethe over the power she didn't get, and she faded into a pathetic self-caricature. If he'd gone after her the way the Democrats went after him, she would have been nominated again.
-jcr
Indeed. It was a cruel justification to do nothing but allow her to seethe, stew and drive herself into madness.
On the other hand, we dodged a bullet that day.
Of course, what Obama did to her was rather worse, both for her and the country. Tossing her the Department of State as a consolation prize to shut her idiot fans up was probably his most egregious dereliction of duty aside from nominating Sotomayor to the court.
He knew, or should have known, that she would be hopelessly out of her depth in any job with serious responsibilities. Just look at her depraved indifference to US diplomats getting murdered by terrorists in Benghazi.
Obama should have appointed her to one or two entirely ceremonial no-show jobs where she couldn't seriously fuck anything up.
-jcr
I'm sure Sullum will write up a fair and balanced report of the dismissal.
..with plenty of blame pointed at Clarence Thomas
All the rhetoric that lead to this is bad, especially when Trump does it.
More broken than sarc now.
I would run a victory lap around jeff for breaking him but I dont run ultra marathons.
Folks, I present the one true libertarian who thinks the government and the people are separate entities and that's a good thing. Thank you ladies and gentlemen, you've been a great audience.
A Cop got on the shoulders of another cop to try to get on the roof where the shooter was and the shooter turned the gun on him. He ducked back down and fell off of the other cop.
Probably the same cop that was at the school shooting and didn’t go in.
You are probably right. People don't understand that the sniper has to get permission to fire unless there is a warm gun. Once the killer's gun went warm they fired.
Sounds like a very shit protective detail there if they explicitly cannot protect their charge. This might make sense for SWAT but unidentified guy on rooftop with rifle aimed at charge seems a fairly easy call if getting your charge killed isn't your true motivation.
Bureaucracy is at all levels.
Apparently the kid tried out for his local school's rifle team, but they didn't take him because he was a horrible shot.
You really can't make this shit up.
Turns out, they were right.
School's still have rifle teams? This was a private school I assume?
IF (and only if) the reports are true that he had turned his rifle on a cop looking over the roof, then turned back to Trump for a snap shot, and still got an ear, it wasn’t all that bad a shot.
But it looks like suicide by cop from the start. He probably never expected to get off a shot. Openly crossing a field and climbing up the outside of a building is not a good tactic for a successful operation.
Let’s blame the teacher union for not stopping the bullying.
or for not prepping him on the ways of Antifa violence. I'd expect they would be sympathetic to his mission.
The guy was 20 years old. People that young are not exactly known for having strong future-time orientation or thinking things through. Considering whatever social media presence he may have had has been completely yeeted off the internet (and the fact that he apparently didn't have one is particularly suspicious), it's more likely that there wasn't anything more complex going through his mind than "I'm gonna get the Bad Orange Man and go down as the guy who killed Hitler 2.0."
He inherits his father's caution of government excess, at 20, as paranoia; and his mother's recognition of a prevailing majority as guidance. After police encounters, the "acting majority" was letting him know that his freedom was unopposed, and therefore that the silent majority had given the all-clear to eliminate the talkative suspect. Makes no sense unless you appreciate the power play: if the government really wants to take his guns away, then he was point-blank lied to by some in his father's name brand (where were the others?). That leaves no guidance to remain but the democrats, and they were kind of not welcome at least under the classification of Biden supporters. And who could influence such a mean thing, when you need nurture from a reliable parent?
My theory: Kids are not learning independence because they learn to follow voting programs. And it's not because we don't need more choices of political affiliation. However, ultimately, if you cannot clear one candidate then you cannot clear any of them, neither as a person nor as part of an effort to do so among peers.
And the moron thought it was a video game and he got bonus points for a head shot, instead of aiming center mass (and don't try the body armor argument, to stop a rifle bullet you need plate armor which it would have been evident even if wore under clothes). Even Army and Marine Corp Snipers are taught to aim center mass.
I don't know if that's true (I read the 4chan post and strongly suspect fakery) but nonetheless Trump should have been taken off the stage at first sighting.
Another DEI hirling.
Didn't
Earn
It
From what it sounds like reading several reports is that the agents in the team were overworked and understaffed and hands tied by restrictive ROE and that higher ups were unresponsive before shots were fired. The agents on scene responded well once shots being fired untied their hands.
Except for the lady that couldn’t even holster her own weapon.
I also read because Biden hasn't increased the size and resources of Trump's security detail, most of his regular agents have been worn out trying to keep up with his campaign schedule, therefore a lot of the agents on Saturday were not his regular detail, but temporary replacements.
What a surprise……….
Eh, I'm not going to give her shit for that. It was a pretty chaotic moment and I'm sure trying to reholster it was a pain in the ass. It was honestly more comical seeing her trying to shield Trump when he was at least a head taller than her.
But…, but….. diversity!
There’s been lots of Monday morning quarterbacking of these guys. I’m no security expert, but I think the SS team saved a lot of lives that day (especially the guy that took the shooter out). Even if the whole thing was a setup, no fucking way the SS field agents were in on it.
Quite extraordinary to be able to see the whole thing unfold on stage, frame by frame, and how real people responded in the audience. A case study the SS will be reviewing for years, no doubt.
Yeah, they did about as well as could be expected under the circumstances. Even if one is a conspiracy theorist and wants to believe the whole thing was a setup and certain SS agents were in on it, the reality is that even in that situation, the guy missed his shot and was hitting innocent bystanders. Not taking him out after he started shooting would have gotten the snipers fired on the spot and things REALLY would have turned into a shitshow if there's a perception that Trump's praetorians are trying to get him killed.
He appears to have been a registered Republican who had given money to Democratic causes around the time of Joe Biden's inauguration. His mother is a registered Democrat, his father a Libertarian.
We won't be talking about this whole event two weeks from now.
And both his parents are some kind of behavioral councilors, too. Sounds like the poor kid got the full complement of genes for mental illness. He never stood a chance.
He’s right up there with Dr spocks kid
The whole thing is highly illogical.
The kid’s dead, Jim.
Scotty shoulda beamed him up a lot faster.
Damnit, I'm a doctor not a counter sniper!
"Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries"
Old and local story.
Progressives are deluging social media complaining that Crooks missed. There is no national consensus to be had.
Jack Black said similar on stage at his concert. Unfortunately they’ve decided they only want one thing.
I believe that was actually his Tenacious D partner, Kyle, who said that.
Hollywood isn’t doing itself any favors right now.
Being that they’ve all agreed on the kid’s background within a couple hours, yeah it’s going to be nothing left to see here, let’s memory hole this shit as fast as possible, boys. Let’s try to get the public focus off of politics and back onto bullshit like Caitlin Clark not getting on the US Olympic team.
Fuck off Liz, Pa has closed primaries so the kid registering as Republican means jack shit as it is just as likely he did so to explicitly vote against Trump. But please carry on being your usual dishonest leftist self.
Why are you pissed at her for reporting the facts?
Because the closed primary and strategic voting makes the factoid irrelevant. You may as well report on the last restaurant he visited as if it had relevance. I'd expect any competent journalist to know that and we'd out the irrelevancies and am only pissed that we have a Leftist activist reporting as if they are not that.
She reported also that he donated to democratic causes. There's literally nothing wrong with getting the full picture. Get your panties untwisted.
I guess you don't mind being lied to through false framing and omitted facts as long as you get to the conclusion you want.
Dude, you’re the one who is angry at Liz for not omitting facts that you don’t like!
Make up your mind, dude.
Is the closed primary system and democrats pushing party crossover yo effect the GOP primary not also a fact?
this is important context but in Liz's 'defense' - she probably didnt make that connection.... that many, many people made
You're overreacting, her reporting was balanced and really took the left to task for their rhetoric.
I agree. It seems highly probable that the loser registered R just to make a "fuck-with-the-process" vote, but we don't know that for sure. Liz just reported the facts as they are known. Relax. If she had left that bit out, people would be raking her over the coals for doing so. The phrasing was even, measured, and limited to putting the facts out as they are known.
Because the wrong facts ruin the narrative. The kid was a leftist. So it doesn’t matter if he registered as a Republican or not. That’s just a distraction from him being a leftist. That makes Liz a leftist for reporting leftist facts that distract from the leftist kid’s leftistness.
Guess running around with Jeff all weekend hand in hand to defend against the rhetoric you and him used, and even Liz mentioned in the article, is also meaningless.
Plenty of True and Honest Conservatives pimping for Democrats these days.
The kid wouldn't have spent money on ActBlue if he wasn't a Democratic supporter. That's like me walking around claiming I'm a vegan while chowing down on some chicken strips from Popeye's.
Thats actually half the vegans I know.
The kid WAS a registered republican.
Fact.
Yes, let’s focus on that aspect.
We all know that’s not the most important thing.
Skin color is the most important thing.
Not focus, but not dismiss either.
He financially supported Act Blue. I think we all know why he registered Republican.
State media, like Reason, has made it a point to repeat that fact every chance they get.
Probably a Trump voter, only Trump voters are this violent.
So you watched CNN yesterday.
Hitler was a vegan. Fact.
Guess rounding up and executing all those vegan monsters is justified since we wouldn't want more Hitlers running around. This is what you're defending for "logic".
Other than to say had he registered as a Democrat that would be the big story. That he was a registered Republican does not mean that he was a Trump supporter. I think we will find this character was more like John Hinkley, than John Wilks Booth and that personal motives were a bigger factor than political.
Well yeah, he was a democrat. So he’s pretty fucked up right there. It’s ts obvious. Like millions of your fellow travelers, he registered as a republican so he could try and manipulate GOP primaries. And apparently. Also like millions of democrats, he thought shooting Trump was a good way to manipulate the general election.
I think at this point in the fact finding we can now safely assume you are correct.
I spect the number of celebrity democrats expressing approval for this assassination attempt will explode this week. Can’t wait to see the bile puked up on The View.
Which I agree is the most likely scenario.
Same reason I registered as a Democrat in my home state when I was 28; if you didn’t vote in the primaries (there were no Republicans), you didn’t vote.
You are right. The State and Local branches of the Democratic Party in Pennsylvania encourages people to register as Republicans in order to gain influence on who the Republican candidate will be in the election. In 2022 Democrat PAC's were running ads for Dr. Oz.
I agree that she got a few details wrong and didn't clarify some anomalies in the narrative, but this is probably the closest we're going to get to an objective reporting of known facts and an honest personal take. All the other writers will soft peddle the "violence isn't ok" message while continuing to peddle democrat propaganda
DJT stock up $10. Pluggo wanted to short it, hopefully he did.
Even if he did, his account that started with 1k and ballooned to 400k has surely kept growing, putting him in the 1% by now!
As a greedy capitalist I would be proud to be in the 1% (if the 1% were true).
That was AmSoc who claimed the $400K discovery, by the way. But you guys can't start telling the truth now.
The sock who claimed that was pretty clearly yours:
1. Homoerotic fascination with “Senater (sic) Tim Scott”.
2. Samefagging your SPB posts.
3. Accidentally using your idiotic “peanuts” tag.
4. Other syntactic similarities.
Give us a break.
He really thinks his shit is clever.
I think he's Sqrlsy's little brother. Hank is probably their dad.
A household like that………. (Shudders)
Is Sarc their alcoholic uncle?
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Nobody here believes your bullshit, pedo.
...appearing to use the "Republicans pounce" trope, like "MAGA responds with outrage after Donald Trump injured at Pennsylvania rally."
They just need to tweak their AI.
I read this somewhere on X:
CBS News said the biggest threat right now is 'retaliatory violence.
Well, look at all the MAGA supporters out in the streets right now rioting in response to what happened at the rally.
Oh wait, They don’t do that sort of thing and the legacy media as usual is full of shit.
Just like “anti-muslim” violence was the biggest threat following 9/11.
The media’s good guy/bad guy roles are fixed. The narrative is just crafted around them.
https://x.com/PresentWitness_/status/1812595320938983577?t=SyALAjLbYWxGIM9wk5Vi_Q&s=19
The fact that there are no riots right now is precisely why bureaucratic elites feel that they can get away with absolutely anything.
We are so civilized, that we are almost completely disempowered.
They don’t fear us anymore.
I don't quite understand what the riot would be about, though. I mean, the shooter is dead. I could see protesting the Secret Service HQ, but that's in DC and I'm not.
And I'm too busy at work to attend a riot. 😉
https://x.com/normmacdonald/status/809637479674281984?t=WlXGksKepJaKr8_pHh7yKw&s=19
What terrifies me is if ISIS were to detonate a nuclear device and kill 50 million Americans. Imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims?
That would be horrible. They might have to invade another energy producing nation.
When attacked, and as demonstrable following Nine Eleven, the USA lashed out like a wounded beast and took casualties based upon the nearest hot spots related to the nineteen terrorists isolated by central intelligence. Iraq was a follow-up series of military actions, Afghanistan was another, and TSA recipients was another.
Obviously, vulnerability was on minds of leaders at that disappointing time.
Of course, people do not have to do much work to argue about an extremist Muslim any more than they have much work to do to persuade as to an extremist gangster or extremist gunslinger.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. So, what absolute power has been doing with its means should probably be considered in such a scenario so as to develop a rational notion that there can be peaceful practitioners and violent practitioners of any alleged specialist, Muslim, dog trainer, or even AR-15 obtainer.
Baylon Bee has a number of good headlines for the event.
Trump Indicted For Inciting Assassination Attempt
CNN: Lincoln nods off at play
How CNN Reported 7 Famous Assassinations Throughout History
CNN: 'Clumsy Trump Hits Head On Bullet'
Party That Called Trump 'Hitler' For 8 Years Shocked As Someone Tries To Assassinate Him
Trump Safe, Leaving Only One Dead Candidate
FBI Wonders If Perhaps They’ve Been Investigating The Wrong People This Whole Time
If only those AR-style rifles were banned. Then this wouldn't have happened.
^Said only by leftists.
I think this time he was actually trying to be sarcastic
And failing. He's used to that; he is a failure.
He really thinks his shit is clever.
Things are funnier when you are drunk.
And retarded.
Nah, for once he used sarcasm correctly.
Even a drunken retard can stumble into begin right every so often.
Sort of. I’m wondering if Trump will try to ban them, and if so if his defenders will suddenly realize they always supported gun control.
You do an excellent job of making it impossible to find anything to like about you.
His defenders went full attack-dog mode on anyone who criticized him directing the ATF to ban bump stocks. So it doesn’t take much to imagine them doing the same if he tried to institute another “Assault Weapons” ban.
Interesting. I’ve observed commenters here attacking Trump for the bump stock ban.
Those must all be people you have “muted”.
Nice imagined strawmen you got there sarc.
See below recommendation about becoming a serious person.
A politician with a similar party platform made a deal with the communists to divide Poland in 1939. That same day all the communists in England realized they'd always thought the guy was OK and a fellow socialist after all.
So?
Objection: facts not in evidence.
"If only bullying was banned...."
Man I wish I saved the sarc defending the trans shooter for being bullied. Would be perfect here.
Girl bullying!
Ban assassinations.
What I want to know is why his father bought the gun? Because buying a gun like that for your kid seems kind of stupid.
None of your business why the father bought his son a gift.
I've bought both of my kids several firearms and taught them how to use them. Same with cars, chainsaws, and motorcycles.
The big thing you said is that you taught your kids how to use a gun and I question that is the case here.
Sure looks like he knew how to operate it.
Anywho, the "kid" could have bought the gun himself. Purchasing age for a long gun in PA (everywhere in the US?) is 18.
Actually, it's not. For anyone over 18 and under 21, you have to undergo additional screening and a waiting period. My son wanted to buy an AK (he already had an AR) after he graduated AIT. It took three weeks for them (FBI) to approve it. I mean he had undergone an extensive background check just months before when he left for basic, as his MOS requires a security clearance and it took the FBI three weeks to determine he wasn't a criminal.
Seems like something a kid who wants to be on the school marksman team would need.
First, he was 20 years old and so out of high school. Now, I can see if the kid wanted to pursue target shooting but then I would buy them a gun appropriate to the sport and not the gun he had.
Like you know anything about guns.
I know very little about guns. I have not seen the guns identified as something other than an AR style rifle. I don't believe that is the preferred firearm for competitive marksmanship or for hunting. Am I wrong?
They (AR 15) are popular because they are accurate, light, highly customizable, have low recoil, the ammo is relatively cheap, they can hold a lot of rounds if you’re not in a state with stupid laws, and they’re fun.
I believe they are used for competitive marksmanship and hunting small game. 5.56 is not generally considered a good round for hunting deer.
Am I wrong?
You almost always are.
I know very little about guns.
You should have ended your comment there.
Parody.
I believe they are used for competitive marksmanship and hunting small game. 5.56 is not generally considered a good round for hunting deer.
It isn't, although it's certainly capable if you're a good shot and can hit the heart or head on the first try. Most hunters use .308.
I don't know if I'd consider wild pigs to be "small game," (some of those fuckers are massive) but I've seen hunters who use AR-15s to pop them.
I’ve seen hunters who use AR-15s to pop them.
You sure they're using 5.56 though?
Good point. There are few 7.62 versions out there.
Pretty sure that would be an AR 10.
Here's a few AR 15 caliber choices.
https://gundigest.com/rifles/ar-15/ar-15-calibers-and-cartridges-what-should-you-chamber-your-carbine
The AR is a very useful and effective weapon overall; good out to 600 yards. Other than being modular/adaptable, light and fast there is nothing “assault weapon” about it. I would think for an assassination an accurate bolt action in a high power caliber with a good scope would be far more effective
It's actually the most popular gun sold, And used extensively in competition shooting, especially things like three gun competitions.
It's one of the most popular rifles sold. So why not?
We call him a kid, but he was over 18.
I think the fact that these types of guns are so popular is also stupid. I understand having a gun for hunting or target shooting, I don't understand having a gun that sprays bullets.
You could have stopped typing at "I don't understand".
Sprays bullets? Ignoramus.
Well technically a shotgun sprays shot, so he's only 99% retarded.
Only in fully semiautomatic firing mode.
You're right, you don't understand.
There are no such guns.
My full auto Mac 11/nine is a machine gun that sprays bullets and is almost uncontrollable.
Especially using that stupid front strap as a grip.
Putting the Lage slow fire upper on it turned it into a controllable modern submachine gun.
With a red dot sight and a vertical foregrip it is no longer a bullet hose.
I think you calling yourself moderate is stupid. You are allowed to stupid things as well.
Dude, you said "gun that sprays bullets".
You just disqualified yourself from further discussions.
I’ve got news for you. That ship sailed years ago.
""I understand having a gun for hunting or target shooting, I don’t understand having a gun that sprays bullets.""
Being an AR-15 doesn't "spray" bullets and is a popular target shooting rifle means you should be ok with an AR-15.
He thinks "semi-automatic" means "automatic."
Tell me you have never shot a rifle without explicitly saying so.
“a gun that sprays bullets”
Says someone who learned everything he knows about guns from Rambo movies. Did Crook’s rifle also have one of those shoulder thingies that goes up?
I don’t understand having a gun that sprays bullets.
Honestly, you should take some time to educate yourself about the most popular competition, sporting, and self defense rifle platform in the US.
Never pass up an opportunity to learn something.
He’s a committed democrat. Passing up opportunities to learn things is their stock and trade.
The AR-15 is considered a target gun moron. It's one of its selling points. Easy to use, highly accurate.
His father is supposedly a libertarian, as such, if he is a true libertarian (and not a Liberaltarian like Sarc and Jeffy) he might have felt the laws against adults buying rifles until they're 21 are stupid.
And I've bought my son an AR for his graduation gift. Then again he grew up with guns and me teaching him how and when to use them and he was in the military.
Last I heard the kid had borrowed it, wasn't clear it was his possession.
After the triple crossbow murders in the UK earlier this month there was a new movement to ban crossbows.
turd, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
The Pope first banned the crossbow in 1096.
Knives, not crossbows. Fucking idiot.
But many of these institutions have, for a long time, aired Hitler comparisons and raised alarms about Trump being a fascist...
You know who else suffered assassination plots?
Archduke Ferdinand?
Abraham Lincoln?
Tom Clancy?
Ronald Reagan?
Obama? I heard it was like 7 times!
JFK?
The Ethiopian Archbishop?
Took a second.
🙂
John Lennon?
Certainly not Jeffery Epstein.
…not Vince Foster
Trevor Goodchild?
Philip II of Macedonia?
Hitler, dammit!
New headline, "How Trumps Attempted Assassination makes him more like Hitler after Operation Valkyrie."
GOOD! That's GOOD!!!!!
Excellent, but too cerebral for most democrats.
Could be an explosive headline, but I heard it got tabled.
You've locked chumby up and stolen his puns. Let him out monster.
Nice and brief.
Dy-no-mite!
^+1
The Pope?
Every enemy of the FBI and CIA?
Andrew Jackson. I may despise the man's politics but have to admire how he responded by beating severely his would be assassin with his walking stick.
All you have to do is compare the NSDAP and GOP platforms. They overlap a lot and both drip Jesus Christianity. Mein Kampf and Hitler speeches generally were through with Bible quotes, parables and homilies. Televangelist megachurches are embarrassed by these facts and struggle to evade them, but outside of Germany they are easy to find: https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2022/12/03/hitlers-christianity-from-nobeliefs-com/
Reminder: 2022 SPLC survey.
Some 44% of “younger Democratic men” favor “assassinating a political figure who is harming the country or our democracy”
https://www.splcenter.org/sites/default/files/partisanship-violence-3.png
Theodore Roosevelt, who proceeded to give a speech starting with "As you know I have just been shot but it takes more than that to kill a bull moose".
Et tu Brute?
Seth Rich?
...parts of Rockaway Beach were closed due to shark sightings, detected by New York City Police Department surveillance drones.
They were looking for illicit shark drugs.
Lean back.
I heard they were "carrying" raft people trying to illegally enter the country.
It's a good thing the NYPD has drones and uses them to look for sharks. Otherwise the surveillance drones might've been used for something useless like looking for shooters on rooftops at a Trump rally.
(yes, I know the NYPD drones wouldn't have gone to the SS otherwise)
The Republican National Convention kicks off today in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
One wonders how much time now will be devoted to the plank.
A little more about the man killed by bullets meant for Trump...
Apparently the campaign set up a gofundme.
This guy is a poster child for leftist rage at "MAGA types." Has a toxic masculinity job, humble, nuclear family, Christian, has good kids who aren't fuck ups. Everything America should be, and everything the left is trying to destroy.
You're right. I knew the guy. We belong to the same Club.
Woah, really?
Here is the link if anybody is so inclinded.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-allyson-after-tragic-loss
Almost a mill.
I hope people are helping out the two that pulled through as well.
Yeah the one Spiritus linked was I think one the family set up. The one the campaign created was apparently for all of the victims.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump or the campaign picked up the hospital tab for the injured.
“It is a mercy that Donald Trump was not seriously injured by gunfire at an evening campaign rally in Butler, a Pennsylvania city north of Pittsburgh, and a tragedy that at least one person at the rally was killed,” wrote the editorial board of The New York Times. “We hope that Mr. Trump recovers quickly and fully.”
Hahahahahaha… that’s like a coven of witches saying they’re happy that Hansel and Gretel are okay and didn’t get cooked in the oven.
Their faces must’ve been dark with rage as they wrote that. It sounds as sincere as Jeff.
The NYT coined the tag:
#sadhemissed
Hansen and Greta, please.
Not even a wicked witch wants to eat Greta. Too bitter, like spoiled venison.
How dare you!
Ok ok - deer was mean and inappropriate - spoiled caribou.
It's Sweden, so that would be reindeer.
Sorry of your European reindeer doesn't identify as a caribou.
It's like a moose in Europe is generally referred to as an elk.
Has anyone seen David Hogg and Greta at the same place and time?
If I’m eating a girl in her 20’s I’m going for Sydney Sweeney, not Greta Thunberg. I’ll bet Greta has terrible hygiene.
“We hope that Mr. Trump recovers quickly and fully.” - NYT editorial board
An effortless lie, made with the speed only possible by an organization with 100+ years of practice
"Nearby onlookers also outside the security perimeter tried to alert police to the existence of the gunman and his rifle,"
Ss replied" dude we already know, this is what we planned"
Don’t be fooled folks.
This is what unity looks like from Democrat politicians and many of their supporter’s.
I love this one-way ratchet that your team is trying to set up.
Trump: chooses edgy, irresponsible words that are reminiscent of Nazi rhetoric
Critics: that sounds Nazi-like, maybe he shouldn't do that
Cultists: HOW DARE YOU COMPARE TRUMP TO NAZIS! That is violent rhetoric which inspires shooters to try to kill him!
So Trump can say whatever batshit crazy crap that he wants, and all criticism of him is off-limits, being redefined as 'violent rhetoric'.
So Trump can say whatever batshit crazy crap that he wants, and all criticism of him is off-limits, being redefined as ‘violent rhetoric’.
Now you're getting it.
Yeah they are trying to turn this into a ‘Reichstag Fire’ moment. (OMG another Nazi-era reference!) Because of this assassination attempt, all criticism of Dear Leader must be muted.
NO, I don't think they are going to pass a law outlawing criticism. But they do want to use this assassination attempt to maximum political benefit to scream 'how dare you' at any criticism of Dear Leader's agenda.
You're Reichstag fire was J6 Lying Jeffy.
lol, sure, it was all Antifa and FBI
Get out, you fat piece of shit. You have no business here.
From the looks of it, just FBI and DHS. Oh, and Nancy helped.
Given that the FBI will not reveal the number of agents they had in a protest that went right in front of their building is a bit concerning.
Get a room you two.
I’m not sure there’d be room enough for Sarc in there.
Kind of like anglerfish I suspect.
I love this one-way ratchet that your team is trying to set up.
You two chucklefucks continuously compared him to Hitler on pure bullshit... even right here, inflaming your compadres to the point that one of the young ones tried an assassination, and now you're mad that your enemies are mad?
Fuck you!
You two junior demagogues earn every drop of opprobrium you get here.
Case in point, right here.
You’re not allowed to notice that Trump’s choice of words is reminiscent of Nazi rhetoric. Doing so is “violent political rhetoric” that inspires shooters! Trump can read from the fucking Mein Kampf if he wants and no one is allowed to call him out on it because the CRITICISM would be ‘violent rhetoric’.
As always, Trump bears zero responsibility for what he actually does. He is like the Pope: completely blameless and pure.
It's violent rhetoric to mention that time when Trump said he could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody, and not lose any voters.
Example number 896732 of sarc not being a bog standard leftist.
Trump - "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn't lose any voters, ok? It's, like, incredible."
Sarcasmic - "hE sAiD hE cOuLd sHoOt pEoPLe"
Thanks for making my point you idiot. If you keep fucking up like this, Lying Jeffy won't be your friend anymore.
My sarcastic point was that quoting Trump's own words are "violent rhetoric" against him. But you of course missed it.
Your "sarcastic point" is a non-sequitur.
"But you of course missed it."
Probably because that wasn't your point when you said it.
Right. Because when someone says something that differs from what you say about them, they are the liars. So middle school. *yawn*
"So middle school."
I remember you making a "your mom" joke last week.
By calling him Hitler, saying he will end in democracy, chanting lock him up, laughing at people calling for his murder… yeap. Youre just pointing out HIS rhetoric. Yours is just fine.
Also learn what sarcasm is. Thanks.
Lol. And that triggered you?
Way to focus on the important stuff, big guy. Kudos.
You’re not allowed to notice that Trump’s choice of words is reminiscent of Nazi rhetoric
Yes, to marxists, anyone who doesn't conform to their political theology is a fascist.
And here it is, Jeffy is blaming Trump for the assassination attempt against himself. How typical. I’m sure you screamed in agony when you discovered the democrat shooter missed.
Yup, that's the strategy on display. Trump can't be held responsible for any of his outrageous remarks because otherwise that would be "blaming the victim".
You’re not allowed to notice that Trump’s choice of words is reminiscent of Nazi rhetoric
Gee Lying Jeffy, that "reminiscent" is sure doing a fuckton of heavy lifting for you, huh.
"Jeffy's fifty-centing was reminiscent of Joseph Goebbels"
"Sarcasmic's toadying was reminiscent of Wilhelm Keitel"
This is the right's version of "Operation Bubble Wrap" right here. Trump cultists put Trump in a bubble wrap cocoon of infallibility. Everything Trump says or does, is not his fault. He is never to blame for any of his actions or choices.
No, that’s the Pedo Jeffy strawman. You say that because you have no legitimate criticisms of Trump, so you flail around like this. Saying meaningless nonsense that is nothing lot the projection of your democrat rage.
Oh, and by the way, your Democrat documents case hit job just got dismissed. You leftists just keep missing the target, don’t you?
Hey they got him on the stormy daniels thing. Walls done closed in. #34 felonies
"HE'S A FELON!!!!!"
Just one of the threads they both pushed the rhetoric.
https://reason.com/2023/12/19/texas-new-immigration-law-will-lead-to-more-policing-with-less-accountability/?comments=true#comment-10364358
I knew someone had bookmarked it. Jeffy lied Saturday saying he never compared Trump to Hitler. LOL
Would have linked it then if I had seen that comment. But him and sarc are openly doing it again today.
“all criticism of him is off-limits”
What planet have you lived on for the last 7 years?
Which "comedian" was it that posed as an ISIS beheading with a fake trump head?
Fake news: Kathy Griffen isn't funny, those quotes around comedian can't do that much heavy lifting.
ML and I both posted the list of democrats advocating his murder yesterday. Jeff denies it.
It's (D)ifferent when they do it.
Trump: chooses edgy, irresponsible words that are reminiscent of Nazi rhetoric
Let me fix that for you, your premise is not quite correct.
"Braindead screenwatcher is told that Trump uses nazi rhetoric."
Ok proceed.
Saturday LyingJeffy said he never compared Trump or his followers to Nazis.
Both looter teams have that same SOP.
Holy Shit! She did the meme! After it was a meme!
@0:49 "Well, Hitler was 'duly elected'!" - HRC
That is exactly the case. Progressives are outraged Crooks missed, not outraged that someone almost killed a US President on national TV. That is how they think.
Put simply: The impulse to cheer or excuse political violence ought to be suppressed.
Reason Commenters: absolutely right! The left needs to tone down the violent rhetoric! Now, let me listen with rapt attention as Nardz regales us all yet again with more stories about how now is the time to "go kinetic" to defeat the left.
Aren't you a reason commenter?
More like the class clown.
So that makes Sarc the class retard?
Short bus helmet wearer.
He is a daily beast commenter first and foremost. Just gets paid to post here.
Really? Same handle there?
Probably. His Twitter was proof enough.
Remember when he said this was "doxxing" ?
He is (D)ifferent.
It's ok to say the left is a cancer that needs to be removed from society, and that illegals are poisoning the nation's blood. Those aren't direct calls to violence. Even if they were, it's ok because Democrats did it first and worse.
Tired. Try something new.
Try feeding them horse meat, because they like horses.
Be sure to burn it.
Ahh yes. Exactly the rhetoric liz discusses as leading up to the attempt. Good work sarc. Don't let assassination attempts stop you from the rhetoric of violence your team loves.
""It’s ok to say the left is a cancer that needs to be removed from society, ""
Isn't that the left's description of MAGA?
I already said it's ok because Democrats did it first and worse. What else do you want?
"What else do you want?"
You to turn over a new leaf and become a serious person.
He tried. His sobriety only lasted a week.
Sweet Lady Liquor is a harsh mistress.
If being divorced, homeless, estranged from your kids, and an alcoholic hasn’t made him a serious person nothing will.
You’re the ones rioting, raping, and attempting to assassinate people. Not us.
Then again, both gangs confess to mixed-economy predilections, which was how Pravda described the USSR in the 1980s. The only substantive difference is that just about all Republicans believe Jesus wants them to kill people, whereas only half the Dems require orders from Jesus. Both gangs agree that the initiation of force is goood and the Libertarian Party baaad, and Jesus' gang are gathered here to have Squeaky Lizard repeat that some more.
Funny story considering the left has already gone kinetic and continues being kinetic.
You fucks are terrified of retaliation even though you've earned it.
Put simply: The impulse to cheer or excuse political violence ought to be suppressed.
Do you agree or disagree with this statement?
Depends on who is doing it. If the left does it then it's pure evil. If the right does it it's ok because Democrats did it first and worse.
Is this why the right leaning commenters here have said that the people who actually committed violence on J6 should be prosecuted?
Learn friend/enemy distinction.
That is all that matters.
Stop acting like leftists have any shred of legitimacy whatsoever.
I'm just gonna bookmark this entire thread for when you sober up for the 30 minutes a week and pretend you didn't spend all morning justifying an assassination attempt.
Disagree. Sometimes political violence is righteous.
Americans should fully understand why we are not subjects to the crown.
In your view, do you think we are currently in a moment where political violence might be justified and righteous?
In your view, do you think the colonists were in a moment where political violence was justified and righteous?
He'll never answer that one.
The colonists revolted over much less than what we've seen today.
Lying Jeffy would definitely be a Loyalist.
Especially as he believes the government is not the people and that's a good thing, despite the first line of the Constitution saying that the government is the people.
In your view, the left committing political violence is AOK, but when someone on the right merely suggests ending tyranny, it is a, "SEE!!! the right is using violent rhetoric!!!" moment.
You leftists are terrified of retaliation.
You could have answered the question honestly, but oh well. You do you. I will draw whatever inferences that I wish from your non-response.
Of course you will. That is the Leftist way.
Meanwhile your kind burns cities and shoots presidential candidates. But I'm the bad guy for saying it must be stopped.
Well, you didn't answer the question. Why don't you try answering the question, then I won't have to make inferences.
I will draw whatever inferences that I wish
Pretty sure that you were planning to do that anyway.
Yes.
God, both sides here are complete pussies.
That said, assassinations are for cowards.
You're all morons as well. 15 chimps flinging shit back and forth with 3 bonobos and SPB who is more worthless than all of you.
Asks the guy defending political violence.
I thought Nardz was a fed.
Maybe, but what we do know is that Nardz believes the same discredited 'watering down our gene pool' garbage that Progressives and Nazi's both used to justify lots of disgusting shit in the past century.
That much we know for sure, because he posted it here at Reason. Something about minorities watering down the 'pure' Roman bloodline. Yeah, pretty insane shit.
It earned him a block since I already thought he was an unhinged nut, but didn't realize he was a full-bore retard. He really earned his spot next to Jeff, Plug, and Sarc.
I've long kind of suspected this since he is always encouraging others to commit violence.
Either that or a useful idiot.
Milwaukee approved every RNC protest request, vetting no one — with the list including the ‘Chinese Communist Party’
Time, Place and Manner restrictions. Can't stop on basis of viewpoint discrimination. Even from CCP.
I think the issue was the lack of vetting.
Agree, the protests need to be allowed. It likely is also a good thing for Trump after Saturday, for his candidacy, seeing the left continue to be unhinged.
I prefer Clausewitz to Sun Tzu but both would agree never interrupt your enemy when they are beating themselves.
Weak demand in China has meant that the economy is mired in deflation and there's excess production of some goods...
MUST BE NICE.
Send Joe over there, he’ll fix that deflation problem.
I noticed that one of the things they 'over produced' are parts meant to build houses.
Notably, that would sell really well in the United States right now...if building new homes was actually a priority. A starter home going for over half a million dollars in Colorado sure sounds like a case of too much demand but not enough supply. Doesn't fit their 'renters first' agenda though. We will own nothing, and should be happy for it.
Importing some 10M people in the last 3 years or so who need housing...who'd have thunk we'd have problems.
China boycotted U.S. exports in 1905 to enlist Uncle Sam in global prohibition of everything except gin and cigarettes. This passed a milestone 04SEP1929 when it asked the League of Nations for a monopoly on narcotics and global cartelization under government control, with Republicans Bert Hoover and Harry Anslinger pressing that agenda on Germany 13JUL1931. It was the League that suggested throwing weed under the bus in hopes of selling more addictive narcotics. All of this is formal record at the LON and in writings by Brian Inglis.
Uh-huh. And then what happened?
Wishcasting far-fetched conspiracy theories is irresponsible.
Reason commenters: absolutely right! The left needs to stop irresponsibly claiming that the nation will become the Handmaid's Tale if Trump is elected! Now, let me tell you about my conspiracy theory, which is not far-fetched at all - Biden really is going to put us all into the gulag if he is elected. He must be stopped!
“Biden really is going to put us all into the gulag if he is elected.”
This is from which reason commenters?
You know that guy, his name is Nobody..
Love the Terrance Hill movies.
The ones in his head. Like the Dream Police.
“let me tell you about my conspiracy theory, which is not far-fetched at all”
I suppose this is a reference to Wuhan, Jeff?
Does it involve a trunk and a four-legged mammal?
The constant references to that idiodic statement are un-bear-able
chemjeff: Hey everyone! Look at this insightful essay with gems like "If America’s very, very lucky — and if Joe Biden, and his alter ego, Dark Brandon, are incredibly adept, perhaps America retains some semblance of democracy."
Are you agitated lately because Dark Brandon's humiliating debate performance forced you to downgrade his "adeptness" rating? 🙁
But they are still bummed out that the Supreme Court said they are no longer giving the federal executive bureaucracies free pass to make it's own de facto laws.
Poor, poor Sandra. She's being put in a difficult position now - she loathes Trump, but she's now going to face more and more pressure to vote for him. I mean, you're certainly not going to vote for Chase Oliver, are you? He's a fag!
And if you vote for Trump, you'll be rubbing elbows with those Trump voters whom you mock as being a bunch of rubes and retards. How does that make you feel?
Nobody here objects to Oliver’s sexual orientation. He just not a good candidate.
A statement like this deflects off sarcjeff's brain just like a racketball hitting the wall.
Who are you speaking for? I object STRONGLY to his sexual orientation. He's not gay enough! If you're gonna be a gay man in this day and age, rainbow COVID masks don't cut it. He needs to go full assless chaps for the campaign!
If he transitions before the election, I'll vote for them.
He's not even really a libertarian.
Nah. Still gonna continue my post-2016 pattern of not voting.
Now give us your honest opinion of Dark Brandon's current chances of saving democracy and defeating fascism. I have already admitted a Trump victory looks more likely than it did pre-debate, although 67.7% seems high to me.
Do you think this country has only a 1 in 3 chance of avoiding a descent into fascist dictatorship? If so you must be furious at Dark Brandon's babysitters for allowing him to show the world the shocking extent of his cognitive decline!
Infantile intellect argument for ‘both sides’! We got it, Sandy, TDS-addled shit-piles will grasp at any straw to justify their imbecility.
I don't think Biden can "save us from fascism", I never did.
I think that if Biden wins, it will be more of the status quo. A sluggish malaise. More taxes, more debt, more spending, nothing really changes.
I think that if Trump wins, I absolutely think we are going to see some authoritarian overreach, specifically directed against migrants (yes all of them, not just the illegal ones). No one here will shed a tear, of course - until he starts coming after their own liberties. And even then, it's about a 50/50 chance that the response will be either a little bit of pushback, or just a shoulder shrug and saying "eh I didn't really care about those liberties anyway, go ahead and take them away if it means dealing with the immigrant menace". I think the net result will be a country that is more insular, more xenophobic, and more conformist in terms of people pressured to be more like "real Muricans".
more conformist in terms of people pressured to be more like “real Muricans”.
“I support conservatives having their own cultural milieus, unless I find reason to complain about conservatives having their own cultural mileus.”
Go ahead and have your own cultural milieu. Just don’t force everyone else to adopt that same cultural milieu.
I think what is going to happen, and is already happening to some extent, is that people who reject conservative ideas are going to be tarred as “unpatriotic”. Your team already has a long history of trying to weaponize patriotism for partisan ends. So we will have an acceleration of that trend, where the distinction between ‘patriot’ and ‘conservative’ gets smaller and smaller until the Venn diagram between the two becomes almost a complete overlap.
And that is where the conformity comes in, because no one wants to think of themselves as 'unpatriotic'.
Except that Trump is not a conservative. Never has been. Conservatives have principles, while Trump stands for Trump. As do his followers.
Which conservatives are you talking about? Neocons? You never explain who your magic conservative is in your bald assertions.
It has a fluid definition depending on who he is trying to disparage.
"Just don’t force everyone else to adopt that same cultural milieu."
LOL
This is hilarious coming from a defender of "neopronouns."
Yeah, but that's because their culture is the right culture so obviously it should be forced on everyone.
Those icky other people want some other culture, so they should go to someplace to be reeducated on their moral failings. Perhaps some kind of camp?
Nothing more hilarious than tolerant intolerance.
Weirdly, the alphabet pronoun folks refuse to use my preferred pronoun of 'Your Honor'. Really bums me out!
(And yeah, this is obvious sarcasm but it is also true that the pronoun group will actually get offended at your choice of pronoun if it doesn't fit their agenda. Hilarious that they get to determine what my pronoun is, but if I mislabel them it's a hate crime.)
Don't forget drag queen story hour and decriminalization of soliciting minors for sex.
This is hilarious coming from a defender of “neopronouns.”
Oh, you must have me confused with someone who wants to FORCE you to adopt "neopronouns". Go ahead and refuse to use them if you don't want to use them.
"because no one wants to think of themselves as ‘unpatriotic’."
Have you ever met any college students in the US?
Go ahead and have your own cultural milieu. Just don’t force everyone else to adopt that same cultural milieu.
You don't really understand how such things actually work, do you?
If the left gets to force its preferences in theirs, the right gets to do likewise for their communities.
How about this: no forcing?
How about this: freedom of association?
That would be saying the same thing.
That would be saying the same thing.
Except you don't want to afford the right the freedom to not associate with the left, when the latter is quite content to exercise that prerogative.
Bake the fucking cake!
"I think what is going to happen, and is already happening to some extent, is that people who reject conservative ideas are going to be tarred as “unpatriotic”."
Imagine what you're called if you think 1/6 protesters are being unfairly punished.
He is a steaming pile of lefty shit, ain't he?
I think the net result will be a country that is more insular, more xenophobic, and more conformist in terms of people pressured to be more like “real Muricans”.
Geez, I was already going to vote for Trump, stop making me want to vote harder.
So Sandra, the odds are not 67%. What do you think they are?
Or....you think Pres Trump might be running against someone else, eventually?
I know this is a cop-out in a 2-party system but right now my gut says the election is about 50 / 50.
As usual, I rate Democrats' chances higher than other people do because I'm convinced the #VoteBlueNoMatterWho faction *really means* "no matter who." Like, Biden could be bedridden the entire month before the election and he'd still win NY and CA.
IOW there are enough rabid Democratic voters in enough states that it's unwise to completely dismiss the possibility of a Democratic victory. Biden, Harris, some late-in-the-game substitute like Newsom - any of them could win IMO.
Biden is at 37% according to the new and now corrected NBC News poll. An incumbent president at 37% with less than four months until the election is toast.
Trust the fortification of elections.
show the world the shocking extent of his cognitive decline!
Did anyone catch John Stewarts talk with… a CNN journo (I think)? I have to say, Stewart sounded EXACTLY like I’ve sounded over the last 5 years whenever Reason mentioned Biden was “old” and then quickly made sure to remind us that “Trump is old, too!”
“Um, it’s not the age, it’s the cognitive decline.”
What cognitive decline? That’s has basically been the unofficial campaign slogan.
And you know you hit a nerve when they start blaming the other team for the same thing. Trump is mentally unfit!
Pretty sure Trump won the competition 2 days ago.
"“Um, it’s not the age, it’s the cognitive decline.”"
In Biden's defense --- he was not exactly smart when he was younger. The incline is mild because the apex was pretty damned low.
LOL, chemfat's flopsweat here is hilarious considering how much shit Sandra gets for criticizing Trump.
So much for NeverTrump being a "non-partisan" position, eh fat boy? Sandy criticizes your lefty boo and suddenly she's going to vote for the Bad Orange Man.
Gosh, it's almost like you really are a lefty and find all kinds of excuses to gloss over and defend them.
"it’s almost like you really are a lefty"
What gave it away?
For me it was his months-long "anti-anti-CRT" jihad.
Decades of nationwide legalized race discrimination in college admissions, and the "radical individualist" thought the real problem in American education was ......... Chris Rufo.
Jeff reminds me of that guy who debated Douglas Murray a few months ago, who acted hyper-rational and claimed he was "above" all this partisan squabbling, then said what he really wanted to see was a one-world government and the total elimination of international borders.
Ok, Mr. Above-it-all. Have fun with your international Marxist project.
Oh, let's back up a moment. Unsurprisingly, Sandra the satirist here is not being honest.
The problem with Chris Rufo was that he was lying about what was actually being taught in schools. He took everything that he didn't like that was tangentially associated with race in some way, and labeled it all "CRT" and then whipped up a mob to go storm the school board meetings to demand that their schools "stop teaching CRT". And then when challenged on his tactics, he would whip out the dictionary definition of CRT and say "this stuff is crazy, how can you possibly defend teaching this crap?" He tried to have it all ways, in order to push out of the classroom material that wasn't CRT at all but was just stuff that he didn't like. It was a slimy, underhanded, dishonest tactic because it got him the results that he wanted.
Chris Rufo's successful campaign against "CRT" was a very powerful reminder that in the modern world, narratives matter more than facts, and that reality is socially constructed within one's media bubble. I guess you approve of this, since it got you what you wanted too, right? Well don't complain when these same tactics are used against you later to bite you in the ass.
I mean, we already have the situation where large numbers of people sincerely believe that Republicans and conservatives generally are basically fascists and Nazis. It's not true, but truth and fiction don't really matter anymore, do they? It's all about the narrative. So how do you plan on challenging this narrative? Appealing to facts? Ha! I know, instead you can push a counter-narrative that Democrats and liberals generally are basically socialists and fascists and communists, complete with wanting to murder 100 million people a la the Soviet Union. So we can just push narratives at each other and the 'winner' is the team which has the most number of people believing their preferred bullshit narratives. Sound good to you? Is this the type of discourse that you want?
THAT is my problem with Chris Rufo.
Chris Rufo’s successful campaign against “CRT” was a very powerful reminder that in the modern world, narratives matter more than facts, and that reality is socially constructed within one’s media bubble. I guess you approve of this, since it got you what you wanted too, right? Well don’t complain when these same tactics are used against you later to bite you in the ass.
chemfat tries to pretend that Rufo wasn't, in fact, using the left's already-established rules against them. And what are those rules, which chemfat displays here on the regular? Let's go to the tape!
Liberating tolerance, then, would mean intolerance against movements from the Right and toleration of movements from the Left. As to the scope of this tolerance and intolerance: ... it would extend to the stage of action as well as of discussion and propaganda, of deed as well as of word. The traditional criterion of clear and present danger seems no longer adequate to a stage where the whole society is in the situation of the theater audience when somebody cries: ‘fire’. It is a situation in which the total catastrophe could be triggered off any moment, not only by a technical error, but also by a rational miscalculation of risks, or by a rash speech of one of the leaders. In past and different circumstances, the speeches of the Fascist and Nazi leaders were the immediate prologue to the massacre. The distance between the propaganda and the action, between the organization and its release on the people had become too short. But the spreading of the word could have been stopped before it was too late: if democratic tolerance had been withdrawn when the future leaders started their campaign, mankind would have had a chance of avoiding Auschwitz and a World War.
The whole post-fascist period is one of clear and present danger.
Consequently, true pacification requires the withdrawal of tolerance before the deed, at the stage of communication in word, print, and picture. Such extreme suspension of the right of free speech and free assembly is indeed justified only if the whole of society is in extreme danger. I maintain that our society is in such an emergency situation, and that it has become the normal state of affairs. Different opinions and ‘philosophies’ can no longer compete peacefully foradherence and persuasion on rational grounds: the ‘marketplace of ideas’ isorganized and delimited by those who determine the national and theindividual interest. In this society, for which the ideologists have proclaimed the ‘end of ideology’, the false consciousness has become the general consciousness--from the government down to its last objects. The small and powerless minorities which struggle against the false consciousness and its beneficiaries must be helped: their continued existence is more important than the preservation of abused rights and liberties which grant constitutional powers to those who oppress these minorities. It should be evident by now that the exercise of civil rights by those who don’t have them presupposes the withdrawal of civil rights from those who prevent their exercise, and that liberation of the Damned of the Earth presupposes suppression not only of their old but also of their new masters.
--Herbert Marcuse, "Repressive Tolerance," 1965
So, do you favor "liberating tolerance" but in reverse? Intolerance of the left, tolerance for the right?
I favor using the left's weapons against them. If they don't want that to happen, they can stop using the weapon.
Rufo used the lefts own words against them. That's what angers jeff the most. Exposing the man behind the curtain.
The documents that Rufo obtained that I saw were internal documents from the school system where THE SCHOOL BOARD WAS CALLING THE LESSONS THEY WERE GIVING "CRITICAL RACE THEORY."
Yeah, but when the school board says CRT they just mean teaching about black history, right?
Yes there were a few places doing some objectionable things. Chris Rufo took that and tried to make it seem like a MUCH LARGER number of schools were doing that, teaching concepts that were not at all part of CRT but he labeled it as such because his idiot audience didn't know the difference. He tweeted out as much when he said he was going to collect all of these examples of stuff he didn't like and put it all under the umbrella of "CRT" because then it would be a single place for everyone to direct their anger against.
If you think this tactic is acceptable as a general rule, then just say so. You wouldn't be alone, there's a lot of post-modernist people out there, both left and right, who implicitly if not explicitly endorse the idea that reality is socially constructed and once enough people believe that, say, a history lesson on slavery is really a type of "pernicious CRT indoctrination", then for all intents and purpose, that history lesson really does become CRT within the scope of this socially constructed reality. Myself, I tend to believe in objective reality, so I dismiss this post-modernist bullshit and I castigate hucksters like Rufo who cynically use it to push his agenda.
So you admit he did find evidence of "actual" CRT being taught?
So, you've pivoted from, "It's not happening," to "It's happening, but it's not a big deal."
How about you show me where prominent people are objecting to teaching anything about slavery and calling just teaching about slavery as CRT? That's the claim you're making.
Next "it's not happening, and it's good that it is."
Yawn. It’s always something, Jeff.
“Ackshually, im not defending CRT/mutilating children/migrant child rapists/mostly peaceful riots/etc, etc….”
Just stop. Seriously.
So in Sandra's world, the people who don't like this whole set of narratives and counter-narrative world that we live in, they are "lefties".
chemfat hates it when his lefty boos are criticized. That's why he's so quick to jump to their defense even when a long-time Trump critic starts dunking on them.
you’re certainly not going to vote for Chase Oliver, are you? He’s a fag!
Jeff and Sarc's "You hate Chase not because he's a LARPing socialist, but because he's gay!!!" is really the only card they have left to play on that one.
I can tell you've never listened to anything Oliver has to say. Then again, why would you except to call him a liar when what he says conflicts with what you say about him? That's basically all you do anyway.
He is just as viable a candidate as Pat Paulson used to be.
I can tell YOU'VE never listened to anything Oliver has to say, Sarckles.
Or payed attention to all the quotes of Oliver flying around here.
As a matter of fact I’ve listened to several recent interview with the guy. Turns out his politics have evolved over time. I don’t pay much attention to quotes from you and your ilk because you intentionally misinterpret things while taking them out of context, then call anyone who points it out a liar.
Because you are a liar who smears people as "homophobes" for opposing Chase's nomination, and a cheap little troll who plays the victim when people punch back. And if Chase has changed his views since 2021 it has to have been a Road To Damascus type conversion.
So you’re quoting him from three years ago and claiming that’s what he says now. I think that makes you a liar. In other news, grass is green and water is wet.
You truly are unbelievable aren’t you. You believe past statements just 3 years old have no bearing on the now. Youre an idiot sarc.
And 90% of what he says is so bumper sticker level bullshit as to be laughable. He has zero depth. This shows he came not to the theory from intellectual rigor but just because it sounds good facially.
This is the same as you calling neocons the principled conservatives above. You have zero intellectual depth so you fall for narratives and talking points. And then brag about not educating yourself lol.
Jesse, bumper-sticker slogans and material is how Sarc forms his political views and allegiances. He watches for the bumper stickers in rural Maine and makes his “informed” decisions. That’s why he thinks everyone to the right of Biden is trying to hunt down and kill illegal immigrants, he saw a bumper sticker.
And 90% of what he says is so bumper sticker level bullshit as to be laughable. He has zero depth. This shows he came not to the theory from intellectual rigor but just because it sounds good facially.
That’s why Chase Oliver is the perfect candidate for Sarc.
bastiat.com
heinlein.com
google.com
Has sarc ever picked up an actual book in his life?
Were we supposed to believe that Bill Weld was no longer a gun-grabber?
1990s: supported assault weapons bans
On guns:
Weld broke with Republicans to back assault weapons bans in the 1990s.
He has also supported waiting periods for firearms purchases and bans on handgun sales to individuals under 21.
Source: Business Insider background for 2019 GOP presidential debate , Sep 24, 2019
Now Libertarian, changed position to opposing gun control
Once an advocate for strong gun control laws, Weld last week quickly made public his new position as an anti-gun-control candidate -- in line with his fellow Libertarians.
Source: Boston Globe on 2016 Veepstakes/vice-presidential hopefuls , May 26, 2016
2nd Amendment right s are individual rights
I am a lifelong hunter and gun owner. In 1993, as Governor of Massachusetts, I went along with modest restrictions on firearms. Governing involves tough choices. Today, I would make different choices. Restricting gun rights doesn't make us safer, and threatens our constitutional freedoms. I support the Supreme Court's decision in the District of Columbia vs. Heller -- a decision that embraced the notion that Second Amendment rights are individual rights, not to be abridged by the government.
Source: Reason magazine OpEd by 2016 vice-presidential hopeful , May 21, 2016
Supports gun control
Does the strange combination of thorough economic conservatism and social liberalism make Weld a libertarian? Not unless libertarians also support expansive environmental regulations, gun control, and affirmative action.
Source: W. James Antle III in Spectator Magazine , Aug 25, 2005
Posting past quotes word for word is misinformation? Chase never made a public statement before you heard of him?
Youre just proving you are ignorant and proving you are lying about the criticisms of chase.
Youre a fucking retard cosplaying as a sheep.
It’s all about the victim-card. If Oliver was cis-hetero, and held the same exact positions, I can’t imagine him getting Jeff/Sarc’s “support”. But as long as there’s a victim-card in the deck, they’ll slobber over each other in order to play it.
P.S. Jeff's the only person I've seen here calling Oliver a "fag".
This is weird because it is us actually citing Chases platforms and past statements.
"Dark Brandon’s humiliating debate performance forced you to downgrade his “adeptness” rating?"
How could he have known?
Sharp as ever!
Biden really is going to put us all into the gulag if he is elected. He must be stopped!
Depends on if he follows Australia's example or not.
Or Germany's, wherein saying mean things about rapists on social media is worse than participating in a gang rape.
Britain's new Labour Party prime minister, Keir Starmer, seems well-received in Washington thus far.
Sure, why not.
Marxists gotta stick together, nobody else is going to like them.
That Politico article is largely devoid of substance. Just that American Leftist authoritarian like British Leftist authoritarians. Trump's people taking a short term.viee that because Starmer looks to get the UK "closer" to Europe that will mean that the US government will have more influence over Europe to make them go along with our foreign policies.
That Politico article is largely devoid of substance.
I was going to blame Liz for including the link. Now I have to blame you for clicking that link.
You didn't have to click the link to know that it was going to be talking heads and admin PR people glad-handing each other over what a good job Biden did not calling him Tony Blair to his face. Just hovering over the link long enough to see 'Politico' would be sufficient.
So the term "predicable" applies.
Democrat control over most major media stations is backfiring again. So many reporters can only think of how to stop this from benefiting Trump, that they turn off normal people.
They pulled Morning Joe because they were afriad he couldn't hide his dissapointment Trump wasn't killed.
They might want to pull the stupid avatar from their “Bide Harris HQ” X campaign account. Biden with laser eyes, WTF?
Also, the Florida documents case has been dismissed on the grounds that Jack Smith was not properly appointed as a special prosecutor.
And nobody faced any consequences.
Well on the upside it means that a lot of federal funds were improperly allocated and everything spent so far has been a massive waste and drain on taxpayer funds. So the taxpayers have all faced the consequences.
Oops!
But they still got him on eleventy-seven felony counts of late library book return!
This was known since day one. Wonder what changed to make it ok now.
Needed to get beyond the local TDS-addled judiciary.
So they've discovered there is a Constitution after all.
Some rules not applicable in NY jurisdictions.
the gunman's motive is still not known.
I think we can be pretty sure Crooks wasn't on the roof of that building shooting a scene for Rust.
Well done.
But we don't know if he hated Trump for political reasons, personal reasons (or at all) or if he was just trying to be famous. So far he seems to fit the profile of standard mass shooter, so maybe he was going for quality over quantity.
Hey look, I found where Nardz has been hanging out over the weekend.
For a second weekend, white supremacists gather in downtown Nashville
https://wpln.org/post/for-a-second-weekend-white-supremacists-gather-in-downtown-nashville/
Huh, no shooting, no rioting, no looting, no burning.
The Lincoln Project doesn't have Soros or the FBI's budget.
It is ~20 fat geezers and goobers, waving silly assed flags on a street corner in the fucking oppressive Nashville heat, while wearing black gaiters. They are the dumbest fucking supremacists I have ever seen, demonstrating on a street corner in the 95 degree heat wearing black clothing with black gaiters.
I am all for those assholes demonstrating in the summertime heat. Go for it, boys! Maybe they'll get clipped by a car, or drop from heat stroke; neither prospect bothers me very much.
They got 1A rights like everyone else.
Right, with facemasks... Always facemasks with these guys.
And with neatly, professionally silkscreened tee-shirts.
I wonder if people started unmasking them and photographing their faces which field office would show up?
If we had real journalism in this country, they should put a reporter/photographer on these guys and try to reveal who they are, or at least get pictures of their faces. Follow them back to their cars, follow them home etc.
This is a win-win situation for journalism. If it turns out these guys are actually white supremacists, journalism could show us who they are. Win.
If it's a false-flag/dnc/fbi op, then we find out who they are. Win.
There's literally no situation where not knowing who they are is a win for the public.
I was nowhere near downtown Nashville.
Seems like they have similar views as college protesters these days do.
Guy in dark clothes, lying prone, on a white roof, with 'scope sighted rifle, 150 yards from a POTUS candidate's rally and THERE IS NO ARIAL SURVELANCE?!
Not claiming anything like a conspiracy here, but doesn't it seem that the S/S and FBI are just a bit careless WRT Trump's safety? I understand the "A" teams were engaged in making sure leakin' Joe didn't fall of the bed, but how about at least sending the "B" teams to keep an eye on Trump rather than Oliver?
This is a perfect example of why you can’t have chicks in charge.
only thing missing is Catcher in the Rye in his pocket.
We don't know that there wasn't.
It will probably be a dog eared copy of a Jordan Peterson book nowadays.
Please tell us more about how a rationalist inspired someone to irrational action.
Peterson does have his issues, namely drug abuse, but that's what we could normally refer to as an 'ad hominem' since it doesn't actually address his views it merely discounts them on an unrelated basis.
Settle down Francis.
If the CIA had a patsy, they would probably have him reading a Peterson book.
I wasn't being critical of him.
*thumps sarcasm detector*
My bad, in that case nice job!
All good my brother!
Yeah, I made that point myself. It's weird that when it's a Democrat the Secret Service can stop a would-be assassin before they even leave their home town but when it comes to a Republican they're lucky to stop them at the last second.
Fortunately, at least the Secret Service usually do stop the gunman before they actually kill said Republican. They only get a little bit shot. In fairness, poor JFK got the whole Monty but there is some suspicion there that maybe they were not supposed to stop that assassination. One is left to wonder if this was another such case of that, but I'd be the first one to say that it's tough to predict what crazy people will do.
This shooter was spotted by random people on the street, how the fuck did the Secret Service bungle that? It seems like a perfectly valid question.
Of course, Congress members get shot occasionally too and in those cases it seems a bit more equitable although one gunman had his chance to kill all the Congressional Republicans whereas Giffords was a one-shot deal. (rimshot)
Is there a grassy knoll in Butler PA?
RNC starting today, my guess is he didn't even have a B team, but a C team. The B team being sent to prepare for the "real" action in Milwaukee.
Fuckin' LOL:
MSNBC pulls Morning Joe for Monday out of worries of what guests could say about Trump
MSNBC did not air Morning Joe – its signature morning politics show – on Monday, instead airing breaking news coverage of the attempted assassination of Donald Trump.
The decision was made in part to avoid a potentially embarrassing moment for the network.
There were worries one of the guests on the program’s roundtable might make an inappropriate comment on live television that could be used to attack the network and the program, CNN reported.
It says something about how spastic NBC knows its "news" flacks are that they're putting a muzzle on them for the time being. Rather elegant evidence that such behavior has been encouraged up to this point, and now they have to put the kids in timeout for a while before they get their teeth kicked in.
I mean we saw all weekend corporate journalists and dems saying really dumb things and excuse making. Just shocked MSNBC realized they were at risk also.
The coverage was unbelievable....'loud noises', 'a disturbance'. They were disappointed he wasn't killed. It is obvious.
I saw one headline that said Secret Service Interrupts Trump Speech.
MSNBC pulls Morning Joe for Monday out of worries of what guests could say about Trump
MSNBC did not air Morning Joe – its signature morning politics show – on Monday, instead airing breaking news coverage of the attempted assassination of Donald Trump.
The decision was made in part to avoid a potentially embarrassing moment for the network.
There were worries one of the guests on the program’s roundtable might make an inappropriate comment on live television that could be used to attack the network and the program, CNN reported.
I gotta hand it to CNN, this is actually pretty fuckin' smart. This suggests that CNN is aware of exactly what kind of people they have working for them, and they have a shred of propriety buried way down under the partisanship. it shows a certain level of self-awareness, even if that self-awareness amounts to "yeah, we're colossal fucking partisan shill assholes, and so we'll occasionally tape our own mouf shut to avoid a backlash."
Wow, that's one hell of an admission that those 'news shows' are literally just DNC attack dogs.
I mean, everyone with a few brain cells to rub together already knew that but to admit it so brazenly is one hell of an admission of guilt.
While I don't think rhetoric is really to blame for this particular political violence, it's notable that they didn't think they could muzzle their glee after an opposition candidate was almost killed.
While I don’t think rhetoric is really to blame for this particular political violence, it’s notable that they didn’t think they could muzzle their glee after an opposition candidate was almost killed.
That’s ultimately what it’s about more than anything else. Democrats have been calling Republicans “Nazis” since Truman, who literally did that against Dewey, like Romney one of the most milquetoast northeastern squishmallows imaginable. And the main reason they've done that was because the commies and comm-symps in the Democratic party were livid when Hitler broke Molotov-Ribbentrop.
Perhaps NBC might wish to reconsider their choice in shows and guests.
None of them appear without approval, after all.
And it's funny how much of a conservative Joe was when he was in Congress as opposed to now.
One thing we can dismiss.
“Trump’s ear has hit by a fragment of the teleprompter glass.”
All the videos show both teleprompters still standing after the shooting.
Where is that quote from? Makes no sense.
Pluggo bought into it, so yeah.
Not certain how anyone thought that was somehow better.
My ears heard the words "teleprompter glass" and all my brain can think is "dishonest desperation".
First, if you've ever shot glass with a rifle, anything that travels further than a couple of feet isn't much larger than a grain of sand and doesn't have enough mass to produce large lacerations like that. You absolutely can blow out windows and send glass shards flying at someone like that, but it requires concussive force like a close-range shotgun blast or larger.
Second, would you rather I fire a bullet at your ear or a full pane of shattered glass at your face? Would you feel better if Corey Comperatore was killed by a shard of glass rather than a bullet? WTF is wrong with you?
Yeah, my two point five thoughts on this:
1. It wasn't teleprompter glass, there's a famous photograph of the bullet whizzing past his ear-- and 1b: the angles didn't even seem right for that.
II: Like this matters at all. Someone tried to kill the man and very nearly did, and an innocent man in the crowd took a bullet meant for Trump and is lying in a morgue.
That bullet was millimeters from being a head shot.
Trump, his team, and possibly the US as we know it were all saved by dumb luck. And these attempts aren’t going to cease. I wonder if Trump’s people are telling him “Look boss, it’s very likely you aren’t going to make it four years. You need to think about the good of the country as far as picking your VP.”
This weekend really elevated the importance of Trump’s VP pick. And right as the convention starts, incredible.
Fucking A, it’s Vance.
Imagine all of the opportunities for Reason tariff screeds. All Good! Downside? Minimal Floridamanbad screeds. But it's only for a few months.
There's no way it was going to be DeSantis or Rubio. Besides the Constitutional requirement that both candidates can't be from the same state, DeSantis in particular has a sweet gig as governor, and he'll need to be in the seat to ensure Broward and Miami-Dade don't do their election night reindeer games.
It's Vance. Was hoping for Burgum or Scott. Burgum is definitely better on the Constitution but North Dakota is really too small and already safely Republican. Ohio is a more important state, and it probably helps with the Senate race in Ohio also.
The old Trump/Pence bumper stickers/placards barely need to be altered.
God damn if that’s not a man of the people right there.
https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1812830428522574244?t=ZZP65clCT9rtDYCtGMxLJw&s=19
JUST IN: Trump confirms that a chunk of his ear is gone, details more injuries he received during an interview with the New York Post.
Trump says he was hit so hard by Secret Service who rushed to protect him, that his shoes fell off.
The former president said he wanted to keep speaking but he obviously had to leave.
The Post says a small chunk of Trump’s ear is gone which was protected by a white bandage during their interview.
Trump also showed the Post a large bruise on his forearm that he got from hitting the ground.
"They took him out with one shot right between the eyes. They did a fantastic job."
Trump said he would be attending the funeral of Corey Comperatore who lost his life at the rally.
Trump also praised the attendees at the rally for staying calm: "I love them. They are such great people.
Source: @nypost
"The War of Trump's Ear"
Can we abstain from trying to take Cartagena this time? Or at least appoint better commanders?
The former president said he wanted to keep speaking but he obviously had to leave.
Teddy Roosevelt, he ain’t.
“A bullet apparently grazed his ear, bloodying him.”
When will reason issue a correction to this?
On the weekend thread, I was told by a couple different shrike socks that trump was grazed by shrapnel from an exploding teleprompter.
It went through his ear, not “grazed” it.
But you can clearly see both teleprompters after the shooting in both videos and photos.
I guess some folks want to diminish the danger and how close a thing it was.
There was a second shooter on the grassy knoll below the stage, and his round hit the teleprompter. Then the teleprompter got back up.
Think we can sell that one?
Did the teleprompter get rocked back and to the left?
That is one magic loogie.
https://x.com/Babygravy9/status/1812818041345863812?t=4qVJHgJ7NIJbWkzUoUxuxQ&s=19
When you have 3,500 terrorists applying to work at the Olympic Games, it's probably time to start asking serious questions about how your country ended up in such a state. We all know the answer, of course.
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I've been reading the New York Times comment section in response to this shooting. Lots of people saying that he's been struck down by the violence he promotes, and essentially no concern about how this will effect them in November.
I'm honestly getting a little concerned that this won't have an effect on the November race, because the left hates Trump that much. I'm really worried what other things are going to be excused in the name of defeating him.
Try the Washington Post. Makes the haters here look mild.
Trump will not gain a single Biden voter, but he will get a lot of undecideds. He got me on Saturday night.
So... I guess I'm now a "Trump Voter".
Welcome to the revolution.
The revolution will be televised.
Yeah, seeing his defiance in the face of violence certainly was inspiring. Awesome by itself but couple it with Biden's cognitive decline and Trump looks like superman by comparison.
Won't change my vote but definitely think he'll pickup a chunk.
I didn't vote for Trump in 16 or 20, voted LP because it doesn't matter in my state (Trump was guaranteed to win it anyhow). This year was a reluctant Trump supporter until Saturday but now, I'm full on. Might even buy a MAGA hat (probably not, I'll stick with my Grumpy Old Veteran hat from Nine line apparel, because I figure I ought to give people fair warning).
Well, we can say they hate him enough to shoot at him so...yeah...it won't have any effect on partisan Democrat or partisan Republican votes, but it will have an effect on less partisan Independent, Democrat, and Republican voters who are notably the majority in the United States.
Trump pulls from Democrat and Independent circles too, perhaps it's easy to forget 2016 but it's notable that Democrats have been shitting on their traditional blue collar voters and yes, those voters noticed it.
This assassination attempt (and photos that accompany it) immediately after Joe Biden's obvious display of cognitive impairment in the debate is a double-whammy for partisan Democrats.
""Lots of people saying that he’s been struck down by the violence he promotes, ""
Of course, they would never blame their own rhetoric as even been remotely part of the cause.
Same thing when Reagan was running and in office. If republicans had sense enough to legalize trade and production instead of bullying girls and killing kids, I bet they'd draw less fire. Observe that both looter gangs use binary code to pretend there is only one monofilament alternative to their initiation of force. They fear third-party divergence and alternatives more than anything.
https://x.com/TheWorthyHouse/status/1812862364704031043?t=nKz0Ir6otI3np_Ay8I7B8g&s=19
Unity is impossible without compromise, and the Left never, ever compromises. For them, compromise is like sunlight to a vampire; it destroys their very substance, because only progress toward utopia is possible or allowed. When they say unity, they mean “surrender or die.”
Speaking about fury…
Almost 10,000 comments in about an hour.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/07/15/trump-classified-trial-dismisssed-cannon/
Judge sides with defendant. Liberals go crazy.
I would imagine this is something that Smith can appeal. But that takes time and the election is coming soon. Since it is officially something that can't prevent Trump from taking office they are pissed.
The problem with Smith appealing it is that most judges will consider him illegally appointed due to the recent SCOTUS decision on immunity. Smith is toast, and he’ll be lucky to avoid jail time himself.
DoJ will appeal to the 11th circuit. Meanwhile Trump will make the same argument in Chutkin's DC district court using Cannon's logic. Chutkin will find for Smith and that decision will be appealed to the DC Circuit court. However the circuit courts rule it will end up in the Supreme Court. In the meantime the DOJ will have to appoint a US attorney to continue the case in Florida which will rip off the "special" prosecutor mask they have been using to distance the regime from these political prosecutions. Unless the 11th circuit appeals court overrules Cannon. But even that won't stop the litigation to the Supreme Court. Bottom line is that the Regime lawfare is dead in the water until long after November. If Trump is declared the winner he can end all of the federal prosecutions and it will all be moot. If Biden is declared the winner, well I really don't want to contemplate that possibility.
astonishing number of stupid people all in a line lol.
The authorities have identified him as 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks. He used what looks like an AR-15 purchased by his father to shoot at Trump from a nearby roof outside the security perimeter
Here, son, use this rifle to shoot President Trump...
I was wondering where the commas were myself. Unless he really bought the gun for that purpose, I guess.
Man shoots Trump in his pajamas.
That's Squeaky Fromme's way of putting it.
>>apparently undetected by local police and Secret Service.
"apparently" is the starting line of the Jornolism.
It's been like 90 minutes where's Sullum's chocolate apology cake about the "classified" documents & Jack Smith?
Gonna be epic. Jacob's head will explode while Trump just keeps dodging bullets.
I’ll have to check out Twitter. The Reddit Lies guy will have some epic meltdowns to repost today.
still waiting. crosseyed and painless.
How embarrassing to not mention Eric's "alledged" headline (which he later changed, and I don't remember what weasel word he actually used).
C'mon, Liz, don't cover for Eric. He wouldn't even admit it himself. Someone has to.
this place went Partial Martha Raddatz?
I saw video of Trump getting shot at 30-45 minutes after it happened.
The window of "little was known" was extremely small.
That window was definitely closed when Boehm put out his Soviet style article.
Like, it happened on live TV broadcast.
It was immediately clear exactly what happened.
It was live on Fox which my wife had on. I wasn't really paying attention until Trump hit the deck. Within seconds he stood up surrounded by SS with blood on his face and raised a fist. There was absolutely no question that he had been shot. Within maybe 5 minutes it was reported that the shooter had been shot and that bystanders were also injured. Either nobody in MSM actually watches Trump rallies or out of pure desperation they imagined that they could somehow create an alternative narrative. Really pathetic.
I actually found out about it from an Asmongold clip that popped up when I was surfing YouTube.
"...I don’t remember what weasel word he actually used..."
Which was the intent.
I think it was 'an apparent assassination attempt'.
Yeah, that sounds right. Thanks.
Was it not apparent?
apparent
adjective
clearly visible or understood; obvious.
You left out:
seeming real or true, but not necessarily so:
"his apparent lack of concern"
The URL for the articles doesn't change, even when they do change it in the article. It was “possible” assassination attempt. Below is the the URL I just copied:
https://reason.com/2024/07/13/donald-trump-bloodied-in-possible-assassination-attempt
>>In the wake of his death, some people have taken to X to dig up unflattering tweets of his
doesn't matter what he tweeted. gets a pass for sacrificing his life.
Absolutely disgraceful that Liz would characterize the man's tweets ad unflattering, especially since none were.
Nothing done to leftist journalists is severe enough punishment.
lifetime sentence of truth-seeking may violate 8A
Surprised you didn't mention David Aaronovitch, a bbc journalist that openly called for the Biden admin to have Trump murdered.
>>The parallels between the two cases are striking.
the System Operator wasn't finished with either yet.
"Look at the actual shot. Look at the staging. Look at how ready Trump is to rally; this pampered baby shit his pants when an eagle lunged at his food. Look at how quickly Trump protects himself at the expense of others, but showed few of those lifelong instincts in this moment." ("Last night, I sent an email I now regret," Mehlhorn apologized the next day.)
"This is not who I am?" Mr Mehlhorn? No it's exactly who you are.
I'm sure he only regrets it because of the optics.
Yeah, you can tell because if you remove the invective it points to him being aware of how great Trump handled the whole thing.
Not to put too fine of a point on it, but if I was being shot at and was even hit in the ear you can bet your ass I wouldn't be pumping my fist with my head exposed chanting 'fight' to my supporters. Pretty sure I'd GTFO and I wager just about any of you would do the same thing, especially if you're unarmed and know for a fact you're the specific target being shot at.
This says more about Trump's character and temperament than anything he could ever say.
what Stallone was going for in Rocky but in real time
Honestly that was the most amazing shit I've seen since Rittenhouse. But Trump is 78 years old. Balls of steel. I'm not a particularly toxic male but that is one badass motherfucker.
Yeah, it amusingly reminds of Hillary Clinton's claim of 'retreating from gunfire' in Bosnia. She wishes she had been shot at, but Trump actually was and even in her made up story she didn't come across as particularly brave...which is bizarre since it didn't happen in the first place.
It's all just so retarded and pathetic.
Even if I don't particularly like Trump, especially his personality, I'm forced to admit he handled himself like a boss under fire. That's why I think this is a double whammy for Democrats so soon after the debates where Joe came off as unaware of where he even was.
It also pisses me off that Democrats are always warning about right wing violence then it turns out a Republican gets shot. It's clown world shit and it's there for everyone to see.
""It also pisses me off that Democrats are always warning about right wing violence then it turns out a Republican gets shot."'
Steve Scalise.
I've mentioned that one as well, although that was Congress and attempted assassinations of Congress critters have actually been a tad more equitable than the President. Giffords comes to mind, although she was an (R) before she was a (D) if memory serves.
The notable thing about that attempted assassination was that it was against the entire Republican house, or at least those that weren't so old and obese that they could still pretend to play baseball. If you count each one of those as a separate attempt, it's not even close, but that seems disingenuous to me.
This says more about Trump’s character and temperament than anything he could ever say.
Moments of pure stress and adrenaline are where you find out what people are actually made of, because they're going off of instinct rather than conditioning. Pretty much any other politician in that situation would be squinching up instead of going into "fucking let go of me" mode.
Which is even fucking stupider because the Secret Service trains these people to dive behind the podium, because they're ballistically protected for that very reason.
Mehlhorn is Reid Hoffman's buttboy and has been to enough Demoshit speeches that he should know this well enough by now. Absolute fucking smoothbrain.
https://x.com/ThomBrady5/status/1812678110208229695?t=U8PQ71q5PVY-r7HhNpCEzg&s=19
Enormous numbers of men are being displaced, or delayed, in order to prioritize a failed social experiment in pursuit of a delusional religious ideology.
[Thread, links]
>>The inexplicable fury over this esteemed scholar acknowledging the role his wife played in his success
someone is upset this guy loves his wife?
Have you met feminists?
"That is pushing down the prices of exports, causing countries in South America to impose tariffs on Chinese steel, and Indonesia and Vietnam and looking into similar actions."
South America getting all
TrumpyRonald Reagan-ey on China, I see.>>"Last night, I sent an email I now regret," Mehlhorn apologized the next day.
I assume Reid Hoffman then fired him for apologizing.
Looks like it’s going to be a very bad day for the left today.
https://www.wesh.com/article/classified-documents-case-against-donald-trump-dismissed/61597870
Expect wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Imagine if they’d instead appointed Smith to Biden’s documents case, and Hur to Trump’s.
>>Britain's new Labour Party prime minister, Keir Starmer, seems well-received in Washington thus far.
we're not paying higher taxes on tea. go away.
"In a survey conducted last month by the Chicago Project on Security and Threats, 10 percent of respondents agreed that the use of force was justified to prevent Mr. Trump from becoming president, and 7 percent said the use of force was justified to return Mr. Trump to the presidency," writes the Times editorial board.
So Sam Harris was in the 10%.
7 percent said the use of force was justified to return Mr. Trump to the presidency,
While I would very much regard Biden's assassination as being closer to a 320-something trimester abortion, I'm still fairly certain he has a pulse and brainwaves and shouldn't be executed out of hand.
It seems very weird to me that this, apparently, puts me in *a* political party. Like, even among *L*ibertarians, the MAGA crowd shouldn't be the only "Don't murder people." party.
I'm not necessarily seeing this as advocating for assassination. Lately I've had people I barely know telling me that the country is on the verge of civil war. If the November election has the same stink of fraud that we saw in 2020 it would not be surprising that 7 percent of the population would be willing to take up arms.
I’m not necessarily seeing this as advocating for assassination.
Right. I agree. That’s how dog whistles and the celebratory parallax works. 10% say they’d kill any deplorable clumps of cells that get in their way, 7% say they’d lay down their lives to preserve what law and order they've got but, “BOWF SIDEZ”, and it gets reported; “use of force is approximately 10% vs. 7%”.
It's just bad polling, whether on purpose or through retardation.
If one actually wanted to get a sense of sentiment, one would need a few more questions to parse out the violence angle.
It's unreal that a combined 17% of the populace actually think violence is justified though. I just don't believe that's possible. More likely, 17% of respondents were basement dwelling edgelords.
Reminder: 2022 SPLC survey.
Some 44% of “younger Democratic men” favor “assassinating a political figure who is harming the country or our democracy”
https://www.splcenter.org/sites/default/files/partisanship-violence-3.png
Britain's new Labour Party prime minister, Keir Starmer, seems well-received in Washington thus far.
This is a bad sign for britain not a good sign.
his campaign X account released this just a few days ago, referencing The Handmaid's Tale and saying quite explicitly that under Trump, this will become reality.
The Biden primary constituency is single childless white women who read fantasy fiction novels, so this kind of messaging works.
Do they imagine that they would be the wives or the handmaids?
>>Put simply: The impulse to cheer or excuse political violence ought to be suppressed.
without historical context I can't tell for whom this bell tolls.
Still waiting for even one person in the news media to ask:
Where was the ladder (used by Crooks to get up on the roof) days, hours and/or minutes before he shot Trump and others?
Who placed the ladder at its easily accessible (to Crooks) location before Crooks used it to climb onto the roof?
Did Crooks buy, borrow or steal the ladder? Did Crooks scope out the site days before (to determine the roof top location and to have a ladder easily accessible)?
Who was the officer who climbed up onto the roof pursuing Crooks (just seconds before he shot Trump), and why did he quickly turn around and try to climb back down the ladder (before he fell to the ground breaking his ankle)? Seems like this (purportedly armed) law enforcement officer's cowardice cost Trump's life?
New video out of what looks like dozens of civilians watching and filming the assassin on the roof prior to the shooting. This shit just gets crazier by the minute.
One wonders when the first 'Zapruder film' will be posted to YouTube. Maybe it already was, I'll admit I haven't looked.
My bet is the Secret Service probably has them by now. Probably not all of them though.
HOLY CONSPIRACY THEORIES, BATMAN!
Trump shooter featured in 2022 BlackRock ad
The ad in question:
https://nypost.com/video/trump-shooter-featured-in-2022-blackrock-ad/
"Once is happenstance,
Twice is coincidence,
Three times is enemy action"
The Zen of Auric Goldfinger
WTF?!
HOLY CONSPIRACY THEORIES, BATMAN!
[dons foil hat]
The whole thing feels off intelligence-wise. Like “they” allowed a swipe at Trump on the off chance it solves a problem but that, otherwise, if someone can just decide to murder a Presidential candidate and wind up taking off his ear. Your life isn’t being monitored every hour of every day and all the Snowden mumbo-jumbo was just pointless intelligence LARPing. All that talk from Biden about needing F-15s and nuclear weapons to take on the government, really all you need is a ladder and an AR-15. The FBI framing people was just a couple of rogue agents punking people for kicks on the side and you guys are going too far with this whole Deep State narrative.
We spend untold trillions between 2001 and 2023 disassembling the requisite terror networks needed to blow up a building or commit a mass killing of "Easter Worshippers", but in 2024 an abjectly shitty marksman with the high ground is a force never-before-reconciled.
Please don't make me do this. Alright the longer this goes on the more it appears to have all of the earmarks of a CIA misinformation/psop/ assassination. The shooter could just as easily have been the Whitmer conspiracy guy living in a basement, groomed by the FBI or Lee Harvey Oswald for that matter. He fits the profile. I know. Tinfoil hat shit right? But this is what they do and they've been doing it for a long time. Right now the SS is blaming the local cops and the local cops are blaming the SS. Plausible deniability all around. The MSM will soon begin to regurgitate a deep state narrative. It's what they do and they've been doing it for a long time. Looks like the operation failed but imagine if the bullet had made contact 1/2 inch to the left 2 days before the RNC convention.
In the meantime here's a split screen timeline of Trump and the assassin.
https://x.com/TheMilkBarTV/status/1812731727053488418
Gerald Ford on line 2 says "let me know if you guys need me to sign off on anything"
"Back, and to the left. Back, and to the left."
Please don’t make me do this.
For about 20 yrs., our 4th of July parade has followed the same route through our "downtown". This year, because of the Highland Park shooting, it was rerouted and we were notified that drones would be used in surveillance. I thought it was dumb and it reminded me of the IR drone footage of Kyle Rittenhouse and the Kenosha unrest. How weird and quasi-random or oddly opportune it was to have a drone pointed at the protest at the right time and how, in our little burb, they couldn't possibly see squat in order to prevent squat and they were, effectively, preemptively collecting evidence were anything to happen.
I'm not making you do anything.
How weird and quasi-random or oddly opportune it was to have a drone pointed at the protest at the right time and how, in our little burb, they couldn’t possibly see squat in order to prevent squat and they were, effectively, preemptively collecting evidence were anything to happen.
To be fair, the use of drones for police work has become really common in the last few years. The military got freaked out by ISIS employing them against fixed positions because of the 3-D warfare implications. This trickled down through their Security Forces divisions with counter-UAS and drone surveillance initiatives, and then to the civilian agencies, because these people all work together on the non-combat side to synch up security and engagement measures.
Right. But, as indicated previously with MRAPs and the like, the US isn't a domestic war zone and utilizing the technology any and all ways is wasteful "DO SOMETHING!" bullshit. Unless you've got a strike team prepped and ready to go at any moment, as indicated, you're just collecting evidence before the fact.
And that kinda leans into the "Of all the violence at all the civil unrest in all the world, she had to have a drone with a camera pointed right at mine." Kyle Rittenhouse defending himself, at night, we've got on video... IR... in HD (or did). A campaign speech by The Opposition candidate on a clear, sunny day? We'll see...
But, as indicated previously with MRAPs and the like, the US isn’t a domestic war zone and utilizing the technology any and all ways is wasteful “DO SOMETHING!” bullshit.
Granted. But it's also not that much different from the general militarization of the police forces that have happened the last 50-odd years.
I think "featured" is a stretch. He appeared (as a high school student) in an ad that featured one of his teachers.
Stretch Armstrong would break on that stretch.
Post's word's not mine, but nevertheless, he didn't feature then, but he does now. Nobody will remember the ad for the teacher from now on.
Donald Trump calls for Robert F. Kennedy Jr to receive Secret Service
What? Is he trying to get him shot at?
Brilliant move. Will be interesting to hear our betters explain why Trump is such an asshole to suggest this.
his father a Libertarian
One might imagine that would generate a bit more discussion here. Mises caucus? Libertarian parenting? How do Libertarian fathers deal with a kid who's getting ruthlessly bullied at school (which is what was being said about his HS days)?
"getting ruthlessly bullied"
Obviously the shooting was justified.
Since a regular feature of the Libertarian party is that they can't even agree with themselves, I'm not so sure that just including that the father was a Libertarian is actually demonstrative of anything in particular. That could mean a lot of different things.
The fact his mother is a Democrat says a lot about the Libertarianism of the Father, one might think.
My wife may not be a full-bore Libertarian, even though she voted Libertarian in the last two elections, but she sure as shit isn't a registered Democrat.
Of course it could mean a lot of things. But given PA voter registration (45% D; 40% R; 11% Indie; and 4% third party) - the specific demographics of that family - 40's to 50's probably, white suburban - the purportedly libertarian leanings of commenters here - the demonstrated newsworthiness of the shooter - the Mises caucus takeover of the PA LP which led to the usual internal conflict/exodus
Bayesian inference would indicate that the father's Libertarian registration would be a topic of talk here. And it would be wrong apparently.
Are you trying to blame the Mises caucus for the shooter?
Oh no. I'm blaming you.
Fuck off.
Consider the source. Everything Squeaky Lizard has said in the past has been a lie or as close to it as can be fudged.
Mother is a Democrat...mama's boy? Child of two behavior therapists?
Worth reposting. Ra0rfist weighs on the Trump assassination attempt.
I've heard of "RazorFist" but don't know anything about him. What's his deal? Is he a conservative, libertarian, or something else? He sounds like a political version of the Pittsburgh sports radio shock jock Mark Madden.
I'm pretty sure there was a "Raz0rfist" who posted here several years ago, but left around the time of the Glibbening. Not sure if it was the same dude or not.
Thank god for elon. Watching x.com content run circles around the MSM and humiliate them for their lies in real time is the best thing ever.
So far, the CNN Trump falls at rally headline is my favorite.
I liked CNN's "Secret Service Interrupts Trump Speech At Rally".
Like what? Do you have an example?
Fuck off, sealion. There's a baker's dozen in this thread alone.
Cite bro strikes again.
Thought maybe you had an illustrative example that you might want to share.
just keep watching CNN and MSNBC for your primary sources of information. you're doing great.
What do you suggest as an alternative?
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Thank god for elon. Watching x.com content run circles around the MSM and humiliate them for their lies in real time is the best thing ever.
The answer was right at the top of the comment chain. You really do need to work on your sealioning.
Jeff - google "obfuscating stupidity."
How can you be so obtuse?
We don't deserve Musk.
Liz Wolfe blames liberal/mainstream incivility toward Donald "I Am Your Retribution"/"Lock Her Up" Trump (although the shooter was a Republican gun nut and friendless misfit from a white, male, Republican town) before the shooter's motivations have been identified, but figures catching a stray bullet and regular church attendance somehow transformed Mr. Comperatore into something other than a fringe right-wing jerk.
The junior varsity at work. Or maybe it was a miracle!
Carry on, disaffected clingers.
Sorry your ally got gender-neutralized this weekend, hicklib. He should have taken lessons from Rittenhouse, or the glowies shouldn't have sent a boy to do a man's job.
Grey box, didn't read it. Was there some homoerotic mention of shoving things downs throats?
I noticed you didn't mention culture war this time.
Fuck off and die, asshole bigot.
“Carry on, disaffected clingers.”
Haha. We will. Unlike you, we’re having fun. Just stay out of the way, as you always have and always will, old man.
You will be permitted to believe you are winning something. You matter not at all.
Remember when CNN has a live deaths-from-wuhan-virus counter in the chyron going at all times, blaming trump for it. Remember when they said you should not allowed to fly, or even leave your house, unless you take the experimental big-pharma vaccine for an overblown cold? These people havent changed.
yeah, unity my ass.
The CNN chyron did not blame Trump for the COVID deaths.
There was never a vaccine mandate for passengers flying on a commercial flight.
Some people WANTED those things, sure. But IMO "unity" in this context does not mean "everyone agrees on everything". It means instead that we can disagree without calling each other monsters or Nazis.
"we can disagree without calling each other monsters or Nazis."
You seemingly can't.
Jeff literally calls Trump Hitler. Lol. Won't even start posting his J6 takes.
How does he think he is fooling anybody? I blame the stupidity of sarc for encouraging Jeff's blatant lies.
They called for it. Google Leanna Wen, cuck.
Yes. As I said, some people wanted those things. But it never happened.
Yeah, mainly due to sufficient resistance that you were constantly complaining about.
In the case of the vaccine mandate for air travel, that resistance seemed to come mostly from the airlines themselves.
Certainly not from your ilk
How selectively nuanced can this guy get? Haha.
It means instead that we can disagree without calling each other monsters or Nazis.
So "unity, my ass" is appropriate.
no, 'unity' that they are calling for is "submit to our side" fuck the bolsheviks. If you want unity, come to my side that doesnt support vaccine banishment, doesnt want secret trannification of kids happening behind parents backs, doesnt support accelerating wwi3 in ukraine, wants to get people fired for flashing an ok sign or using the wrong pronouns on facebook, I could go on forever.
No, I'm not going to that side for unity. they can come to me.
So if you claim they want you to completely submit to their position, isn't that exactly what you asking for - their submission to your position?
How about this: nobody submits, and we talk about issues like adults, not like screaming emotional teenagers.
Sound good?
no.
"how about vaccine passports?"
"no."
See it's that easy. If you want unity, get off your vaccine passports position otherwise it's war.
Are you willing to listen to the good faith reasons for why some might have wanted vaccine passports? Not the bullshit ones like THEY JUST WANT TO CONTROL PEOPLE, but the honest good faith ones?
Can we just have a conversation about putting you in a camp? Ok how about we just fire you andban you from society? No one is FORCING you ok? I have 'good faith' reasoning! im jUsT beIng reAsOnAbL!
I think that is rather extreme hyperbole to try to claim vaccine passports are the same as "putting you in a camp".
I only ask that I would prefer that all of us try to have dialogue to discuss issues, rather than outright ignoring or dismissing people that we disagree with. Because when that happens, it tends to produce feelings of resentment and marginalization, frustration that their voice isn't being heard. Perhaps you are familiar with that feeling.
Most people are not monsters, most people are not caricatures of Nazis. Most people believe what they believe for good honest reasons and don't consider their own position to be immoral or evil. Even when they are wrong, and their position really is immoral or evil, it doesn't hurt to listen to those ideas, so that we understand them and can more successfully refute them and challenge them. It also helps us to understand why a person might take a position like that, and how we can creatively think of a way to address that person's legitimate concerns without endorsing the destructive approach.
Thank Christ we have libertarians like jeff, fighting for freedom in good faith.
Mr. “Bears in Trunks” wants to be “reasonable”.
LOL
The problem is when one position is "you must submit" and the other is "I will not submit" then your proposal of "nobody submits" is also total submission to the second position.
"let's fire people from their jobs for using the correct pronouns on a tranny"
"no"
See, it's that easy. Unity is one step away for them. Just give up on your madness and we good.
"Ok hear me out lets borrow 100 billion from our grandkids and send it to Ukraine to prolong the war there, and facilitate the biggest money laundering operation in history."
"No, fuck off. If you want unity with me dont do that."
Let's take the Ukraine issue for a moment that you brought up.
The "pro-Ukraine" position might be that stopping Putin now forestalls a much larger conflict later, when, a Putin feeling emboldened from conquering Ukraine, decides to start invading more of his neighbors. Plus, they might argue resisting aggression is just the right thing to do.
The "anti-Ukraine" position might be that the direct US national interest in Ukraine is very small, supporting Ukraine is extraordinarily expensive, and yes, the US involvement does heighten the risk of a larger conflict between nuclear powers.
Obviously you come down on one side of this. Is there something that those on the other side could say to you that would ameliorate your concerns? Is there something that you could say to those on the other side that would ameliorate their concerns?
The “pro-Ukraine” position might be that stopping Putin now forestalls a much larger conflict later, when, a Putin feeling emboldened from conquering Ukraine, decides to start invading more of his neighbors. Plus, they might argue resisting aggression is just the right thing to do.
Anthony Blinken said in a press conference that Russia was not only NOT the strongest military in Europe, it wasn't the strongest military in Ukraine, which garnered laughter from the crowd.
If Putin turns out to have designs on Germany, Poland, France and Holland, then it seems that NATO could respond accordingly with ease. So why turn an internecine conflict over territorial disputes in Russian-speaking districts of a faraway land into a Western Global Project, willing to start WWIII over?
Now, if you want to admit that the Biden administration, and the totality of Western media has been lying about Russia and Ukraine, then you have a point.
My question to the pro-Ukraine side, is what amount of aid can we give, short of fully entering the war on their side, that would result in a Ukrainian victory? It doesn't seem to me that there is a likely path to victory, only forestalling the inevitable.
So why turn an internecine conflict over territorial disputes in Russian-speaking districts of a faraway land into a Western Global Project, willing to start WWIII over?
1. One of the lessons that (I thought) we learned from WWII was that stopping aggression early in its tracks can forestall a much more destructive and much bloodier conflict later. Aggressors are very rarely successfully appeased.
2. I think the military danger to the west is less to France and Holland, and more to, say, Estonia. Did you know that about 25% of Estonia is comprised of ethnic Russians? If Putin is successful in convincing the world that his military aggression in Ukraine is justified because he's entitled to use force to 'protect' ethnic Russians living in other nations, then why stop at Ukraine? Why not invade Estonia next?
And besides, we both know this is a pretext, just like the Nazi Anschluss was.
3. And, resisting aggression *is* the right thing to do.
One of the lessons that (I thought) we learned from WWII was that stopping aggression early in its tracks can forestall a much more destructive and much bloodier conflict later.
Vietnam on line 2…..
Regarding 2, Estonia is a member of NATO, and Putin doesn’t have the stomach for a conflict with NATO. If he did I don’t think he would have made such a big deal about Ukraine and others wanting to join NATO. The reason it is a big deal to him is he needs the countries he wants to invade to stay out of NATO, so he can take action without NATO involvement.
Also, Putin isn’t fooling anyone with his “protecting ethnic Russians” excuse. He wants Ukraine for its strategic/economic value, specifically Sevastopol, which was one of (if not the only) winter port in all the former Soviet Union. But annexing Crimea is useless without land access to the peninsula, and thats where taking the rest of Ukraine comes in. Estonia has no such value to Putin, certainly not enough to risk war with NATO over.
And yes, resisting aggression is the right thing to do, but if that were the only consideration we would have declared war on Russia when Putin annexed Crimea back in 2014 (BTW, THAT was the “Anschluss” move, and we let it slide)
Regarding 2, Estonia is a member of NATO, and Putin doesn’t have the stomach for a conflict with NATO.
If NATO capitulates in Ukraine, why wouldn't he think that NATO would just capitulate again in Estonia, given enough nuclear blackmail? "Will you trade New York for Tallinn?" This is why appeasement doesn't work, because it reveals to the aggressor that the blackmail can be successful, and if it is successful once, it can be successful multiple times.
Also, Putin isn’t fooling anyone with his “protecting ethnic Russians” excuse.
well, he is, read some of the comments around here
And besides, he will just come up with some other excuse. What was Hitler's excuse for invading Poland? To settle some old historical grievance or something, I suppose. We all know from Tucker's interview that Putin has a very long list of historical grievances in mind.
And yes, resisting aggression is the right thing to do, but if that were the only consideration we would have declared war on Russia when Putin annexed Crimea back in 2014 (BTW, THAT was the “Anschluss” move, and we let it slide)
I completely agree here. Resisting aggression is the right thing to do from a principled perspective but there are practical considerations to weigh as well.
Ukraine isn't a NATO member, so there is no capitulation there. If Estonia were invaded Article 5 of the NATO Charter would apply.
And again, for Putin to come up with an "excuse" it means there must be a real reason somewhere, and unlike securing Sevastopol Estonia presents no such real reason. Even Putin isn't going to start WW3 just for the sake of starting WW3, which invading a NATO ally would surely do.
1. One of the lessons that (I thought) we learned from WWII was that stopping aggression early in its tracks can forestall a much more destructive and much bloodier conflict later. Aggressors are very rarely successfully appeased.
If only the Russian Military were analogous to Hitler’s WWII war machine, which was, at the outset of his invasion of Poland, the most sophisticated, advanced military humanity had ever seen.
I can’t comment on #2.
3. And, resisting aggression *is* the right thing to do.
That is an untrue statement. Resisting aggression can be the right thing to do, or it might be the wrong thing to do, depending on the circumstances. If resisting aggression *is* the right thing to do, context and circumstances be damned, in any and all circumstances, then arguing that we are the world cop is the only logical conclusion from that.
If only the Russian Military were analogous to Hitler’s WWII war machine, which was, at the outset of his invasion of Poland, the most sophisticated, advanced military humanity had ever seen.
Hitler's war machine in 1939 was so fearsome precisely BECAUSE he wasn't stopped earlier, say, back in 1936 when he re-militarized the Rhineland in violation of the Treaty of Versailles. That's kind of the point here. Perhaps Donetsk is Russia's "Rhineland" moment.
If resisting aggression *is* the right thing to do, context and circumstances be damned
No - what I meant is, resisting aggression is the right thing to do from a principled perspective. The question of how best to fulfill the obligations of this principle is a practical question. But first we have to agree that the principle itself is valid.
Hitler’s war machine in 1939 was so fearsome precisely BECAUSE he wasn’t stopped earlier, say, back in 1936 when he re-militarized the Rhineland in violation of the Treaty of Versailles. That’s kind of the point here. Perhaps Donetsk is Russia’s “Rhineland” moment.
I'm not sure where you're going with this. It sounds... it sounds like you're saying our invasion of Iraq was 100% justified. Because that was literally the argument for justifying that.
When Iraq invaded Kuwait, we chased him out. That was resisting aggression.
Iraq in 2003 was not aggressing against anyone.
In prison, every day constitutes an act of aggression; the junkyard dog has a prisoner cornered and is not afraid to bite.
You have only the very bounds of fairness to accept or reject. Was the punishment fair or more than fair? More than fair would be when the defendant kills someone for no good reason and yet is not sentenced to undeniable torture and is not sentenced to death.
As if 'Russia invades Georgia' was no clue c. 2008. That was called "the first European war of the century," at that time.
Unity coming from a dem is about you capitulating to their demands.
Remember no civility until dems elected? They are still sticking to that.
If that is what you believe, then suggest an alternative.
Suggest an alternative to who? People expecting my capitulation?
An alternative to what you might consider 'unity'.
Something not requiring one side to capitulate. Something that benefits both sides.
In this case, the left should chill out if they expect republicans to chill out. But left can’t chill out because they don’t think they are doing anything wrong. They want conservatives to shut up while they keep talking.
Something not requiring one side to capitulate. Something that benefits both sides.
Sounds good to me! So, let's do that.
I don't know what you mean by let's. I've never used that kind of rhetoric.
The Spanish Flu drew exactly the same reactions and recriminations, more intense in mystical redoubts like Utah. It's in the newspapers. Many suspected German CBW then just as many suspect Chicom CBW now.
So can we infer that you no longer consider anyone that may have released unmasked trunk bears in to the population to be monsters?
How magnanimous of you, Jeff.
"they said you should not allowed to fly"
"Some people WANTED those things, sure. "
So you agree? You just had to get in a "Yes, but..."
I don't remember that, because I was already far too disillusioned with media outlets when the daily troop death counter they had under Bush magically disappeared under Obama.
If you were a retard at the time, you might have been tempted to think we weren't still at war.
The war protesters disappeared too.
Damn right.
Cindy Sheehan where are you tonight, why did you leave me here all alone?
Apparently a whole motorcade of Black SUV's just picked up JD Vance at his residence. Next VP?
Well it would make sense. He, like his future boss, has no fixed principles.
They're just principles you don't like.
People don't compromise on actual principles. If they're willing to compromise on things, those things aren't principles.
A case of the means justifying the expenditures ; )
Once again, the key questions that need to be asked and answered are who owned/placed the ladder so Crooks could easily gain access the roof?
When was the ladder placed at its easily accessible location (to access the building's roof), and why didn't any Secret Service agents or state/county/local police have the ladder removed days, hours or minutes before Trump's rally began?
I haven't seen a video showing the ladder, but it had to be long enough to reach the roof, and it had to be located at an easily accessible location (so Crooks could quickly crawl up the ladder and/or secure the ladder (so Crooks could crawl up quickly)?
Did Crooks scope out the sight days ahead of the rally, move the ladder to the building, and did anyone help him with the ladder (as Crooks looked to weak to lift/carry/erect a ladder by himself)?
Also, how did Crooks get his rifle past SS security (to gain access to the rally).
Doesn't directly answer the ladder question but best video of the situation I've seen so far
https://x.com/TheMilkBarTV/status/1812731727053488418
Once again, the key questions that need to be asked and answered are who owned/placed the ladder so Crooks could easily gain access the roof?
Let's not conspiratorialize it up too much. I can carry a 20' folded ladder in the back seat of my SUV.
When was the ladder placed at its easily accessible location (to access the building’s roof), and why didn’t any Secret Service agents or state/county/local police have the ladder removed days, hours or minutes before Trump’s rally began?
Again, couldn't the shooter kid have done that minutes before?
I haven’t seen a video showing the ladder, but it had to be long enough to reach the roof, and it had to be located at an easily accessible location (so Crooks could quickly crawl up the ladder and/or secure the ladder (so Crooks could crawl up quickly)?
again, I have a commercial-grade folding ladder that can reach almost 3 stories in my garage.
Did Crooks scope out the sight days ahead of the rally, move the ladder to the building, and did anyone help him with the ladder (as Crooks looked to weak to lift/carry/erect a ladder by himself)?
Again, not hard. Swing by home depot and scope out a commercial-grade folding ladder.
I can carry a 20′ folded ladder in the back seat of my SUV.
You never know when you might come across an imaginary social construct that you have to climb over.
True fax.
Except that automobiles were NOT allowed within a mile of Trump's rally (the day of the rally), and it should be impossible for a person (especially as small and weak as Crooks appeared) to carry a long ladder a long distance and get through a SS or police checkpoint (where his gun should have also been spotted, and prevented from entry).
No ladder needed?
“The gunman gained roof access without a ladder, according to a source briefed on the preliminary findings.”
https://abc7.com/live-updates/donald-trump-rally-shooting-rooftop-where-suspected-shooter-opened-fire-was-law-enforcement-staging-area/15057158/
Yeah, his vehicle was not parked close to the event. The news was showing his vehicle on Sunday morning, and it was parked away from the event, and, reportedly, had explosives in the vehicle. That just adds more questions but no answers.
I've also not seen any pictures/video of a ladder, but from the clip Gaear linked it doesn't look like a very tall ladder would be needed, if a ladder was needed at all. There is a lower section of the building that looks to be about 7ft tall with no overhang, a spry person could jump and pull themselves up with no ladder, and then climb up to the upper roof where the video shows the shooter crawling. There are also downspouts on the building that could be used to climb up.
but from the clip Gaear linked it doesn’t look like a very tall ladder would be needed, if a ladder was needed at all.
Nah, a high quality commercial ladder (available at your local hardware store... shop smart, shop S-Mart!) would reach that roof, easily.
That said, I'm still not off the whole conspiracy issue.
Hacking into the San Bernadino shooters' phones, IR drone footage of Kyle Rittenhouse, the fast collection and slow leak of various manifestos... it just seems insane that some Bubba climbing up in their deer stand and taking a shot at a Presidential candidate is almost sophisticated compared to what actually took place in real life.
I don't disagree that the security and surveillance state needs scaled back. But, of course, that's exactly the sort of thinking that I presume gets you into a situation where someone's saying, "Maybe the sitting POTUS withheld the extra-protection, maybe the existing protection wasn't giving 100%. It's tough to say." to you while you get stitches put in your ear.
Also, how did Crooks get his rifle past SS security (to gain access to the rally).
The shooter didn't attend the rally or go through security. He was outside the secure perimeter. Incredibly, since he was only 140 yards away. The Secret Service said local law enforcement was responsible for security outside the perimeter. Again incredibly, they didn't advise local law enforcement to secure the most obvious spot for a shooter to make an attempt. Look at the overhead photos of the site. Where would be the first place a shooter would want to be?
Since virtually anyone (even someone who never fired a rifle) could shoot a person 150 yards away, why was the security zone only 150 yards away from Trump?
In the past, other Trump rallies had much larger security zone.
Maybe he lived there in the farmyard? Maybe he had access to the inside of the building and simply crawled out through an open piece of roof when he was certain that all agents were in position?
Crooks took his AR-15 shot from the broadest side of a barn. Al-Jazeera says that explosives were found in Crooks' car (that was really fast, considering how important this investigation would be next to an actual education in basic militia procedures).
As a strong supporter of none of above, there is one thing that stood out to me. When Biden gave his speech, he said that there is no place for violence and called for unity, but when he gave examples of political violence, he left out examples of violence from the left and spurred by the left; specifically Steve Scalice among others. I assume that it was Biden's writers that did this but it shows the hear of the left. It was a subtle excuse. There is no question about what side is worse for America. It's the left.
Here's two minutes of video of the left calling for violence over the last several years
https://x.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1812394330457612423
oh never forget Kacklin Kamala "they are not going to stop and they should not stop" when referring to lethal violent "protests" happening all over the country
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTg1ynIPGls
Unity to a dem is you capitulating.
The dems have done nothing wrong and you are expected to change your behavior. This is just another example of it. They are denying the existence of their own rhetoric.
How much more evidence would anyone need to see the level of denial the dems are capable of as the denial of Biden's cognitive issues.
Unity to a dem is you capitulating.
So kinda like Islam?
Oh here's some more "unity" from these bolsheviks
https://x.com/BidenHQ/status/1808867891204235585
two weeks ago. "if you vote for trump we'll all be living in the handmaid's tale! ahhhhhhhhhhh. "
See? My gang goood, other looters baaad, anyone not licking my team's boots is helping the baaad. Pay no attention to those law-changing Libertarian spoiler votes cast these past 50 years.
I tuned into MSNBC this morning before work to see them talk about political violence in recent years. They did, first, show the shooting at the Congressional Republican baseball practice where Scalise was shot, but the next example was the "attempted kidnapping of Gov. Whitmer," and then to Trump saying, "if you don't fight like hell you won't have a country" followed by images of Jan 6. So nothing from the "summer of love." Can MSNBC be any more obvious of their extreme bias?
The Duran weighs in.
New predictions after the weekend:
Last week, a political prediction I made was Biden would drop out of the race, because of all the evidence that DNC power-players wanted him out. I now believe that won't happen. Reason: Biden's cognitive decline was that THE topic in the media for the last couple of weeks. That has been completely exorcised from media discussion. This dramatically takes the pressure of Biden to resign.
Also, an analytical take on the election going forward: Some people are beginning to suggest that the Biden administration might start toning down the rhetoric about Donald Trump. This will help Biden. Somewhere near to 100% of all the violent and over-the-top rhetoric has come from the left, the Democrat-aligned media and the Biden administration. This has actually helped maintain Trump's appeal. If Biden and the media back off on the apocalyptic rhetoric about Trump, this will refocus the election on pure issues, and Biden has a better chance on pure issues because then the debate becomes a dry, on-the-one-hand-on-the-other-hand kind of conversation which is LESS polarizing and gives Biden a better chance of winning undecideds.
I don't think the left is capable of toning it down when it comes to Trump. At least not for more than a few days.
JD Vance? Trump makes maybe the worst pick for VP.
I guess that's what Biden did too, though. Make your opponents pause and think it over before they try to impeach you.
No it makes total sense. It is entirely believable that Vance sucked up to Trump the hardest.
Perhaps CE can explain why he/shit/it/they believes JD Vance is a terrible VP nominee?
Its amazing how many people are quick to express their opinions before they think.
He doesn't bring much to the table. Vance has the same loud, populist vibe as Trump and comes from a state that is almost guaranteed to go for Trump, so he's not broadening the ticket, and he hasn't been talked about as a serious presidential candidate, so the de facto incumbency would wasted on him.
Presumably, he brings Ohio to the table.
I like what Tucker Carlson said about Vance:
"I won't make an argument for JD Vance, but what I will say, is 100% of the most awful people I know in Washington is they all hate him."
As if Mike Pence wasn't bad enough.
So a Leftist who changes their party affiliation to mess up the Republican primary election is considered a Republican.
Pennsylvania does not allow cross party voting in the primary election. Democrats had a concerted effort to vote against Trump by voting for Nikki Haley that was out in the open. The corporate media conveniently memory holes this.
Biden's memory appears to be failing, but the corporate media either has a collective memory like swill cheese or they are simply biased lying partisan hacks. It would be convenient to say that they are stupid, but it's more likely that they are simply evil.
Trump Assassination: Who Done It?
The Trump-related assassin allegedly was a 20-year-old, Thomas Matthew Crooks, from the local area; using an AR-15, not considered the weapon of choice for such a mission. Two or more witnesses from the crowd claimed that before the shots were heard they saw a man with a rifle climbing up an outside ladder to the unguarded roof of the building. How did the alleged assassin know that the roof would be unguarded? How did the alleged assassin know that his ascent would go unnoticed by authorities? Meanwhile, the snipers from the Secret Service on another rooftop never noticed — or did they?
Days before the shooting, the Secret Service supposedly identified the rooftop as a source of potential threat. It did nothing to secure it, claiming it was “outside the perimeter”. Then yesterday, the sniper who killed the alleged assassin posted on Facebook his claim that he had said assassin fiddling with a rifle in his gunsight for more than three minutes but was ordered to “stand down”. When the alleged assassin began firing, the agent killed the shooter contrary to orders. For this action, he claims that he was fired. True? Whatever the case, the posting, thus far, has been buried by Big Media.
Who had the most to gain from the attempted assassination? The now-slain Mr. Crooks? Xi of China? Putin of Russia? Biden of America? The Democratic National Committee (DNC) spearheaded by the Obama-cabal?
The facts are that the demented, corrupt, career-politician now occupying the Oval Office was slated to lose the upcoming election to Trump. The Democrats were in disarray. Obama has a documented history of assassinating American citizens without prior arrest or trial, let alone conviction. With Trump dead, the DNC could have Biden bow out after being nominated, thereby, saving $100-million in donations for the Democratic Party, sideline Kamela with the promise of a high-level judgeship, and choose someone who likely could best the Republican replacement for Trump.
So, who done what? We don’t know. Given the opaque nature of our federal government, we may never know.
https://www.nationonfire.com/who-done-it/ .
The Trump-related assassin allegedly was a 20-year-old, Thomas Matthew Crooks, from the local area; using an AR-15, not considered the weapon of choice for such a mission.
Why not? It’s accurate if you know how to use it. It’s already come out that he couldn’t get on the rifle team of his school because he was a crappy shot, and he nearly pulled the job off.
I’ll concede that a Zoomer with no social media presence is suspicious as hell. That screams of accounts being wiped from the Internet by glowies.
Then yesterday, the sniper who killed the alleged assassin posted on Facebook his claim that he had said assassin fiddling with a rifle in his gunsight for more than three minutes but was ordered to “stand down”. When the alleged assassin began firing, the agent killed the shooter contrary to orders. For this action, he claims that he was fired. True? Whatever the case, the posting, thus far, has been buried by Big Media.
Wait, what? He was fired for doing his job?
I’ll concede that a Zoomer with no social media presence is suspicious as hell. That screams of accounts being wiped from the Internet by glowies.
Oh, and the feds for some odd reason can't seem to get into his phone. Yeah, right.
And no one knows where all of Jeffery Epstein's personal records are either or Audrey Hale's manifesto. Or how Seth Rich met his demise.
sooner or later folks......sooner or later.
Why not? It’s accurate if you know how to use it. It’s already come out that he couldn’t get on the rifle team of his school because he was a crappy shot, and he nearly pulled the job off.
Battle zero for the AR-15 was originally 300m. Meaning, technically, 150m is point-blank range and any Forrest Gump with a trigger finger that turned up in Vietnam was expected to be able to reliably hit man-sized targets out past 300m.
This feels like the "We don't know what his motives were." spontaneous bout of overzealous generosity of doubt being handed out.
So, you’re saying that the bullets from the scene may had come from secret service guns like the three bullets that grazed President Kennedy’s skull? And that the bullets won’t be guarded carefully because they did not actually hit the President dead-on? That would give plenty of chances to replace the rounds with AR-15 rounds. Besides, bullets do not necessarily deform after being shot. They must strike something harder than their own hardness in order to deform, or so hardness test method would suggest. Therefore, they might have barrel marks at the worst.
Or, here’s one: maybe they told Crooks that he was helping the Secret Service by playing sniper. If Crooks was struck prematurely by a bullet, he might had accidently locked up and squeezed the trigger, easily explaining the sloppy shot. So — who really fired first? What does the audio say about the incident in terms of order of rounds fired?
Now the AR-15 has made a name for itself: successful at any wrongdoing and politically popular by way of opposing political polarities.
A collective political move would be to require that the weapon may no longer be sold under the infamous name, which at least would be doing something as well as jamming kill culture’s fascination with the device, somewhat. Thereafter, it becomes a super-hot item for nostalgists of the culture but at the same time much easier to account for as a collectable.
I have to admit this is a first. Why not just rename the AR-15 is a solution i havent heard of before.
Why not just rename the AR-15 is a solution i havent heard of before.
Because car-keynes is a special breed of stupid. You've heard "just rename the AR-15" before, just not from the anti-gun social engineering crowd. And, apparently, only out of fortuity, not through any actual awareness on their part.
Otherwise, you'd be familiar with XM-15, Carbon 15, AR 556, M&P 15, MK 556, Zion 15, SAINT... just to name a few and think "Oh, yeah, several somebodies have had the idea to rename the rifle/platform before."
Divide, divide, and divide again. But the rest of the world, totally and completely evil as it persists in being, can scarcely rival you.
I may be this stupid, because I am here to read and to learn and to ask questions: Even as much as to try to challenge anyone to out-argue me.
I'm completely aware that changing a weapon's name is not going to do greater good. But there has been no mention of it, so I introduced it partly in case anyone could put it out of its misery. You, mad., did a good enough job, although I have my own doubts that you name the same rifle by various other names. I found it hilarious, btw.
Divide, divide, and divide again. But the rest of the world, totally and completely evil as it persists in being, can scarcely rival you.
LOL, please. Every time I read self-important puffery like this, I wish we could drop these people off in somewhere like Syria so they can see what real, actual violence is like.
And spare us the unity-criticism-unity nonsense. Dressing it up in a different set of clothes doesn't change the dialectic. 😉
My M&P 22 is a lot of fun to plink with.
What the fuck does a name change have to do with anything?
High-school trig and the Parkland doctors' standard wounds diagram show JFK was shot through the tie in the same level plane as the train tracks by someone on Main or Commerce, possibly inside that tarpaulin-covered truck. The Republican Commission blanks that out. Kleptocracies lie and kill people, plain and simple. The embarrassment is that neither Feynman nor Alvarez bothered to solve the triangle.
already used my "for his efforts Gerald Ford briefly got to be president" meme above but it fits here too.
A lot of really shitty people are showing their asses today, just like in the aftermath of the October 7 massacre. Several of them have become unemployable as a result.
-jcr
Musk has to be absolutely laughing his ass off through all of this.
Musk just announced that he's going to donate $45 million a month to a pro-Trump PAC. Maybe the Democrats shouldn't have tried fucking with him.
Suing SpaceX for not employing non-citizens in violation of ITAR rules that require him to ONLY hire citizens wasn't just stupid, if was bloody churlish.
-jcr
Okay, granted there's a lot of weird takes and completely irrational behavior happening, but the weirdest are Leftists quoting Revelations and Galatians.
Totally Bizarre.
It’s kind of like when Roe was ended, the lefties shock led them to temporarily forgot their programming and remembered that only actual women can get pregnant, with their freakouts about the GOP enslaving womens’ bodies. It’s basically the same phenomenon with Pavlov’s dogs forgetting all their conditioning after going through a flood of the facility.
Same thing here–the trauma of the event is making them forget for the moment that they actually hate Christians and Christianity, so they’re unironically quoting from a book they don’t actually believe in because their Atheism+ nonsense isn’t equipped to operate in the realm of spiritual warfare.
Hate isn't an excuse any more than burning witches.
You're welcome ; )
There's always an excuse.
Disagree. I think it's less Pavlov's dogs and more Humpty Dumpty:
"Words mean what I say they mean, FYTW.", with an absolute lack of introspection, has been the MO of The Left and left-leaners since the Good Samaritan got retconned into censoring undesirables. They aren't quoting it out of some profound need to rail against an immoral universe, they're quoting it because that's how Tarantino and Jackson expressed their righteous anger in a pre-eminently meme-able form.
Hey Reason, I've got a topic for the next "Great Moments In Unintended Consequences" piece.
The democrats will continue to accuse Trump supporters and anyone else to the right of Karl Marx as violent right wing extremists.
On the other hand CNN has kept Joe Scarborough off the air this morning for fear he will engage his mouth before putting what brains he has in gear. That doesn't stop Joyless Reid or Whoopie from foaming at the mouth.
Notice no riots ensued, no stores looted or burned, no police attacked or cars set afire, no building were torched or the streets filled with angry mobs.
They've been pushing unhinged histrionic bullshit against any Republican nominee all the way back to Alf Landon at least. It's not even convincing their own NPCs anymore.
-jcr
Notice no riots ensued, no stores looted or burned, no police attacked or cars set afire, no building were torched or the streets filled with angry mobs.
No additional comment. Worth repeating.
To be fair, we don't know what would have happened if he'd succeeded.