The MTV News Archive Is Gone—and That's OK
I wrote for the .com culture site in its heyday. I don't mourn its disappearance.

My first ever job in journalism was at something called Hollywood Crush, a young Hollywood news and gossip site that was part of the larger MTV News ecosystem.
Although the MTV brand still had a certain cool-kid cachet, left over from a time before it became associated primarily with teen reality shows, I was not exactly pounding the pavement for the groundbreaking stories that would change the world. By the time I left—laid off in one of those periodic mass purges that were as much a hallmark of 2010s journalism as the Buzzfeed-style listicle—my greatest contribution to the discourse was a week-long dragging on Twitter by outraged Disney adults, who didn't like a joke I'd made about casting Vanessa Hudgens in the upcoming live-action reboot of Mulan.
But if my early journalistic efforts were not cosmically significant, they were nevertheless real. When Twilight took the country by storm; when Jennifer Lawrence fell down at the Oscars; when one of the Jonas brothers had a messy breakup—I was there, laptop at the ready, documenting it all.
…Or was I?
Alas, all evidence of my early career has now been stricken from the record. Last month, the MTV News site vanished in its entirety from the internet, and with it every last article, interview, and top-ten list in GIFs produced by its journalists over the course of nearly three decades.
Granted, the most iconic content still survives elsewhere: A clip of O.G. MTV newsman Kurt Loder breaking the news of Kurt Cobain's suicide, for instance, remains available on YouTube. But for those of us whose beat was, shall we say, less crucial to the public discourse, years of our professional output have disappeared down the memory hole, lost in time, like tears in rain.
Many of my former colleagues were dismayed by this, and I understand why: Imagine seeing an entire decade of your professional output callously erased in an instant, just so some corporate overseer can save a few pennies on server space. Sites like the Internet Archive, excellent as they are, still cannot catalog everything; some of these articles are well and truly gone.
Nevertheless, I've been unable to muster the same righteous indignation, as if this were an unimaginable loss. So much of what we—what I—produced was utterly frivolous and intentionally disposable, in a way that certain types of journalism have always been. The listicles and clickbait of early aughts culture may differ in many ways from the penny press tabloids of the 1800s, but in this, they are the same: They are meant to be thrown away.
While some of MTV's old archives still survive, they can be difficult to unearth unless you have the precise URL where an article once lived. I was able to find some of my own old stuff preserved on an archived version of my MTV News author page, but only after an hour of scrolling through old versions of the site that resembled one of the crumbling dreamscapes from Inception, all dead links and broken images and blocks of HTML in a state of terminal decay.
Here's the thing: Once I did, my first thought was to wonder why I'd bothered.
As it turns out, there was very little gold in them thar hills of the 2010s media landscape. My work at MTV appears to have consisted mainly of clickbaity blog posts with titles like "Ben Affleck Seems To Have Gotten a Giant Divorce Tattoo," or "Game Of Thrones Has Spawned a Giant Gingerbread Landscape," or (and I swear I am not making this up) "7 Pic Pairs That Prove AnnaSophia Robb Is a Kitten Disguised As a Human Being."
This is how it was, in a journalistic paradigm that favored quantity—and virality—over quality.
If the media today is in existential crisis, this was arguably the moment when that crisis began. There had never been more people competing for fewer scraps, to the point where just getting paid to write was, itself, a coup of sorts. (A running joke amongst journalists at the time was how many so-called writing jobs came with no money at all. Instead, you were told, you would be paid in "exposure.")
The magazines that used to pay $2 per word had collapsed en masse; so had the local news outlets, with the shoe-leather reporting jobs that had launched the careers of journalists in previous generations. Every outlet was trying to do more with less, which invariably meant less reporting, and more opinion, the latter being comparatively cheap to produce.
For an enterprising writer, the most remunerative option was to turn into a one-man content machine, churning out ditzy blog posts and aggregated news stories for tens of dollars at a time. If you did enough of these, you could almost make a living, which may be why so many outlets made writers meet quotas that, as I recall, could be as much as 20 posts per day.
This is not to underrate the distressing impact of MTV News being wiped from existence, especially for writers whose old articles might have been valuable for reasons beyond their contribution to the discourse. Having a portfolio of clips, even very stupid ones is, after all, how we get work. But how reasonable was it to think those archives would live forever?
Long before the era of the news aggregator or the listicle in GIFs, "yesterday's news" was a euphemism for worthlessness for a reason, and disposability was built into the physical medium. Yesterday's newspaper was what you used to line a birdcage, or build a fire, or stuff your shoes to keep them from losing shape. Sure, the occasional paper might make it into a library archive, or onto a microfiche spool, but how diligent were those archival efforts? And how often has anyone even bothered to look at them since?
But to acknowledge that digital media is just as disposable as its physical counterpart isn't just a blow to the egos of the people who make it. It also cuts hard against the common wisdom that the internet is forever—or indeed, that what is publicly posted online is not just permanent but important. This has long been a crucial subtext to the punitive culture of cancellation: To ruin someone's life over a ten-year-old tweet requires the conviction that said tweet is not just some ephemeral sentiment, but a personal artifact, capturing an essential truth about the character of the person who made it.
Maybe it's better, actually, that this illusion of permanence be shattered. Maybe so much internet chatter—including what passed for journalism in the era of news being aggregated rather than reported—is less like a precious historical artifact, and more like the eighth-grade burn book that molders forgotten on a shelf in your childhood bedroom until your parents throw it away.
And maybe, when it comes to something like the archival content of MTV News, we can rely on a truth that predates the internet: that things worth preserving tend to be preserved, if not through the ubiquity of the mass market then through the discernment of individual people. Sometimes, even when doing so is against the law.
Humans have always had the instinct—even a sort of sixth sense—to save things, whether it's an unpublished manuscript, a bootleg recording, a sheet of newsprint, or an old magazine with a particularly interesting story. This is true of digital content, too: The best articles of the internet era have a way of taking root and replicating, even if the publication where they originally appeared goes bust. They live on in archived snapshots, in forum discussions, on college syllabi, in PDFs printed out, or posted to Listservs. (Well, most of them do; my painstaking curation of kittens who look like actress AnnaSophia Robb somehow slipped through the cracks, but trust me, the resemblance was uncanny.)
It's kind of nice, actually. In an era where so much content is curated by algorithm, and where our archivists are as likely to be AI as human, the stories with the most staying power are still the ones some person, somewhere, thought were worth remembering.
And the rest? Maybe it's not just forgettable, but also best forgotten.
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So nothing different from today where if entire swaths of "journalism" were to simply vanish or never be created nobody would care or even notice.
Kotaku is having much the same thing happen to their history and there is little but rejoicing in the associated firings of activist "journalists".
My Care Meter is still stuck on "E" after reading this.
Sites like the Internet Archive, excellent as they are, still cannot catalog everything; some of these articles are well and truly gone.
This is like Nick Gillespie’s sycophantic interviews with Jimmy Wales about how awesome Wikipedia is. The Internet Archive is no longer ‘excellent’. A matrix of laws and politically connected people make stuff disappear from the internet archive all the time.
" The Internet Archive is no longer ‘excellent’. A matrix of laws and politically connected people make stuff disappear from the internet archive all the time."
Perhaps you don't use Wikipedia, but I've noticed much the same thing there, in the citations section at the bottom of each article. Many (though not all) dead links: "all dead links and broken images and blocks of HTML in a state of terminal decay. "
It would be helpful if Wikipedia would somehow save and preserve its citations rather than linking to outsiders who don't reliably maintain the links. Are there really laws and politically connected people who prevent Wikipedia from maintaining the integrity of its citations?
Wikipedia has a misplaced fixation with "primary" sources, and I bet a lot of their reluctance to archive those sources is not wanting to divorce them from their primacy.
"Wikipedia has a misplaced fixation with “primary” sources,"
That's not what I've noticed. The links to the citations at the end of their articles often are broken. They are links to newspaper articles - 'the first draft of history.' You can't get much more primal than a first draft.
Are you familiar with their coverage of the Haymarket Massacre/Riot in Chicago in the 1880s? The received wisdom was that it was anti-union cops and a corrupt justice system. Then someone found the trial transcripts and showed the system practically bent over backwards to do real justice. Hundred of potential jurors, some of the first chemical forensic science comparing the metallurgy of bomb fragments with bombs in a guy's workshop, and IIRC, the judge biasing his actions towards the defendants.
A labor professor wrote a book about it, fascinating read which I recommend for anyone interested in 1880s courts. He updated the Wikipedia article and they kept reverting all his changes because his primary source was the book he'd written on it. Yet the old article was full of references to second- and third-hand speculation by radicals and politicians with an axe to grind.
Wikipedia is no better than any modern judicial system. Ritual and procedures matter more than truth and justice.
"his primary source was the book he’d written on it"
That's no primary source. A book written a century after the fact, when all those involved had long since been dead, can never be a primary source.
Even if the "book he'd written" used contemporary sources better than the contemporaneous accounts of journalists?? Like trial transcripts and the actual forensics used?? Seems like that's better than the knee-jerk "we know who's the good guys and who's the bad guys here" of 19th century yellow journalism.
If the book relied on primary sources - police records, newspaper accounts, trial transcripts, interviews, memoirs etc, the book would still not be a primary source, regardless of the quality of the writing.
Where "primary sources" is often = "established (mainstream) sources." I've seen wikipedia and other sites block the actual primary source for something because it wasn't "peer reviewed" yet (i.e. "approved by the gatekeepers")
Exactly. "Politically" is more important than "correct".
(i.e. “approved by the gatekeepers”)
Established newspapers have editors, fact checkers and guidelines for their writers. Zines and like often have none of these. It doesn't make them more truthful, though there are exceptions. That's why the ability to follow the links in the citations is important to judge the content of articles.
Eh? No, they prefer secondary sources. Wikipedia policy is that "All analyses and interpretive or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary or tertiary source and must not be an original analysis of the primary-source material by Wikipedia editors." "Articles may make an analytic, evaluative, interpretive, or synthetic claim only if it has been published by a reliable secondary source."
“Eh? No, they prefer secondary sources.”
It’s unfortunate that the links to any of the citations are broken. It makes it more difficult to assess the truth of the contents of the article. If the links were active, readers could follow and judge for themselves.
“Articles may make an analytic, evaluative, interpretive, or synthetic claim only if it has been published by a reliable secondary source.”
This is why the citations at the end of the article are important. They give us an idea where the information in the article comes from. If the links provided in the citations are broken, readers no longer have a convenient way to check the provenance of the article’s content.
If you are skeptical, I urge you to choose a wikipedia article and see if you can find broken links. My bet is that you can.
Oh, speaking of manipulation, the White House and some helpful members of the press are beginning to suggest that all the noise surrounding Biden's mental decline (clearly visible in 2018) is a massive Russian disinformation op, aided by AI.
When was the wheelchair incident? That was the first time I noticed he wasn't mentally there.
At first glance I thought you were joking, but a quick search revealed one such as recent as June 26 2024 [just before the debate]:
https://www.wired.com/story/russia-disinformation-network-ai-generated-biden-video/
Are there [seriously] any more of these? It would be fascinating to watch that [attempt at] level of public deception occur.
Like I posted this morning:
“That’s why the participants want the secret history of the 2020 election told, even though it sounds like a paranoid fever dream–a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information.”
It has been posited that this will all be resolved when the CIA decides on the final narrative. Russian disinformation is right out of the playbook.
Although the MTV brand still had a certain cool-kid cachet
That actually happened?!
So my grandparents weren't lying after all.
ask Christopher Cross about the cachet of MTv
That dude could absolutely SHRED on guitar.
He could, but sometimes bits of lettuce would drop into the sound hole.
I know you're funning, but honestly, it's easy to forget that MTV was THE main driver of pop culture in the US from about 1984-2009 or so, and putting youth worship front and center as a national pseudo-cult. It pushed all the different pop music genres, constantly trying to change things up and find the next big thing to promote, and could make or break careers.
We can debate the actual social benefit of their influence, but it was very real and taken very seriously by the elites. What ultimately killed it was the rise of YouTube and artists releasing the videos on the platform for instant, on-demand access. MTV lost its access monopoly when that happened, and is a shadow of itself now that no longer drives pop culture trends. Artists can self-promote their shit now and don't need MTV to push it to the masses for them anymore.
The social benefit of MTV starts and ends with Weird Al Yankovic.
It’s honestly incredible how influential they were, up to and including their relentless promotion of cultural leftism and behavioral deviancy. Kurt Cobain is a great example–this is a guy who MTV made the face of the “Seattle sound,” the guy whose band single-handedly killed the gauzy, sun-kissed culture of the mid-to-late 1980s (that MTV itself had heavily promoted and made ubiquitous) and the Sunset Strip hair metal scene, and replaced it with one that was incredibly dark, cynical, and moody, glorifying drug use and general thug behavior. This, of course, lasted until around 1997, when MTV began chasing the next new trend and started promoting boy bands and pop tarts like N’Sync, Hanson, Britney, and Christina on TRL, whose videos reflected the more optimistic culture of the late 90s dotcom boom.
Hey, some of us are old enough to remember when MTV was cool (and actually played music videos, instead of reality crap).
Liquid Television, 120 Minutes, and Headbangers Ball were all required viewing.
Indeed. Long after I was a "too cool for Top 40" adult, MTV would sometimes inject some awesomeness into my sphere. Like the first time I ever saw RHCP doing some death-defying live performance, or when I almost hurt my neck whipping around in a "wtf is THAT?" introduction to Morphine.
Super Sex (from the Yes album). 2 string fretless bass over drums and double sax...
"Taxi, taxi,
hotel, hotel
I got the whiskey baby
I got the whiskey
I got the cigarettes
Automatic taxi stop
Electric cigarette love baby
Hotel, rock 'n' roll, the discotheque
Electric super sex"
(RIP Mark Sandman, possibly the coolest human being ever)
>>Imagine seeing an entire decade of your professional output callously erased in an instant
thumb drive?
"7 Pic Pairs That Prove AnnaSophia Robb Is a Kitten Disguised As a Human Being."
Where have all the good times gone? Those were the days.
The previous stuff wasn't worth saving?
This article, also. Buh bye.
"And the rest? Maybe it's not just forgettable, but also best forgotten."
While I have to respect the author's perspective, the question remains who decides what is best forgotten? I recently read a rather deep dive substack about the Boston draft riots. It consisted mostly of reporting from long gone local newspapers of which only a handful of articles have survived. No one knows how accurate that reporting was but I'm reluctant to say it doesn't matter or that we should assume that the conventional history is somehow more accurate. We actually, for the first time in history, live in an age where multiple varying accounts and opinions can be easily preserved for those that write history centuries in the future. As we speak leftists are actively rewriting history and even denying what we all saw with our own eyes. Seems they are already in control of what's "best forgotten". Personally I favor preserving everything. Even dumb shit.
Yeah, the Denver Public Library has an incredible collection of local newspapers on file, not just the main Denver Post/Rocky Mountain News fishwraps, and they're great for providing insight on events as long as they're read with the understanding that they're being reported with a particular press agenda. There's a website called Colorado Historic Newspapers that also provides a digital database for a TON of long-time and long-gone community newspapers in the state's towns.
Yeeting a bunch of listicles sounds okay at first blush, but this kind of mass deletion of a company's reporting history needs to be viewed with a jaundiced eye, not celebrated. Because you have to wonder what it is, exactly, they're getting rid of 30 years of reporting history for.
The Memory Hole is really happening, but it's a good thing. <== you are here.
"Eight Incredible Ways Our Digital History Is Being Erased
Number 4 Will Drop Your Jaw!"
My first thought when I heard the MTV archive was completely gone was and could not longer be accessed was:
In related new, AI just got a whole lot smarter.
Anybody who thought game of thrones was good television has never read a decent fantasy novel. I had to turn that shit off for good during the second season. The midget was a good actor, but everything else was trash.
Ah come on. What do you expect from normies?
"It's like that stuff you used to bully your little brother's friends about...but with TITS!"
That's all it took. And I thought it was pretty excellent through 3, maybe 4 seasons. And no matter what percentage of the huge audience remaining was noobs and normies, they didn't deserve Season 8.
MTV had news?