How Much Does the President Matter?
We've now had two consecutive presidential administrations deploy versions of this same argument in response to questions about the fitness of the man allegedly running the federal government.

As President Joe Biden weighs whether to remain in the 2024 race, one of the defenses raised by the president's supporters is noteworthy—not just because of what it says about Biden's acuity but also because of what it says about the state of the modern presidency.
During an appearance on MSNBC earlier this week, former Obama administration official Jeh Johnson argued that, effectively, the election is about picking an administration, not a president.
"A presidency is more than just one man," Johnson told Joe Scarborough. "I would take Joe Biden at his worst day at age 86 so long as he has people around him like Avril Haines, Samantha Power, Gina Raimondo supporting him, over Donald Trump any day."
This is true, of course. Over 4 million people work in the federal government's executive branch, and only one of them is Joe Biden. Most are full-time, nonpolitical appointees, but each president gets to make about 4,000 appointments (including the roughly 1,200 positions requiring Senate confirmation). The presidency is obviously about more than one man.
Even so, it's interesting—and perhaps telling—that we've now had two consecutive presidential administrations deploy versions of this same argument in response to questions about the fitness of the man allegedly running the federal government.
During the Trump administration, Trump-skeptical Republicans frequently used a similar argument to justify supporting the then-president despite his obvious temperamental problems and general lack of interest in the minutia of policy making. It was about the judges he'd appoint. It was about the regulations that his executive branch appointees would undo. It was about the military leaders who would prevent him from doing something reckless.
Maybe the presidency is just the friends we made along the way?
The same argument is making the rounds in Republican circles during this campaign. "It is entirely possible to believe that Trump should not be president because he wants to act in a manner that is inconsistent with our Constitution, but that, if he does become president, he will fail to escape the system's core constraints," writes National Review's Charles Cooke, who is the epitome of a Trump-skeptical conservative. "To make this case is not to 'defend Trump,' but to profess confidence in the American model of government against those who would undermine it."
Whether as a way to constrain the worst impulses of a chaotic populist in the Oval Office or as a way to prop up a guy who needs to be in bed by 8 p.m., this line of argument makes strategic sense. It's meant to reassure voters that they can continue supporting the name on the top of the ticket even if they have misgivings about the president himself. Maybe Biden thinks that he "beat Medicare," but don't worry because there's someone more responsible actually running the program.
But this whole line of argument, while accurate, is notably in tension with how most modern presidential campaigns operate. They're all about the guy on top of the ticket.
Maybe that needs to change. We expect a president to name his or her running mate before the convention, but perhaps that expectation should be extended to other positions in the administration too.
That's not to say that Trump or Biden need to give us a list of 4,000 people they'd appoint if elected. But if the administration really is so much more than a single person, would it hurt for voters to have a better idea of who will be filling key posts—posts that, generally speaking, are more important than the vice presidency anyway?
That would provide more transparency and information for voters. It might also help to short-circuit the dangerous tendency to build cults of personality around presidents, which would be healthy for our democracy.
The modern presidency is obviously too big for any one person to completely run—and certainly well beyond the capabilities of Trump and Biden in their current states. We should be more willing to say as much.
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If you mean a sentient President, apparently not much.
The difference between this President and the last one is that this one is senile and can't run anything. The last one couldn't get everything done because The Cathedral hated him crashing their cushy administrative state.
'Most are full-time, nonpolitical appointees, but each president gets to make about 4,000 appointments (including the roughly 1,200 positions requiring Senate confirmation).'
So, Joe can barely speak but is a whiz at selecting, vetting, and appointing subordinates?
That is what the 20 year old intern is for.
When not accepting posterior cigars.
"Too old", says Pedo Peter.
You don't actually need a whiz when the selection process is looking at an intersectionality chart.
Have you ever spent time in a Turkish prison?
Has he seen any gladiator movies though?
This.
If the function of Prez is to pick the administration - and honestly that's not a bad primary purpose - then sortition could be a selling point for a googoo party. They could promise to use random selection to create the hundreds of subassemblies to select a few appointees each - another random selection to set a mgmt agenda - another one to audit and investigate - another to serve as ombudsman between agencies/citizens. The law of large numbers would guarantee that they resemble the people far more than any group of partisans can 'represent' them. Corruption by those trying to buy particular appointees would become so expensive and inefficient as to just not be doable in the 'normal' way. Those could all be outside DC utilizing technology to do their work - which would reduce the swamp influence. And since at least hundreds of thousands of citizens would be doing something for some short period - that party would rapidly attract a bench of increasingly capable citizen/semivolunteers. Which could in turn over time serve to compete with and reduce the number of careerist bureaucrats and administrators.
There was a time when a libertarian would be more concerned the government is so large it takes 4000 APPOINTEES to run it and not trying to poopoo who is president because it is clear their choice is a dementia patient.
Exactly my thought!
Why isn’t someone freaking out about the incredible size and scope of the federal government.
Biden is the symptom. The machine is the problem.
Boehm conveniently forgets that Trump promised to choose Supreme Court appointees from the Federalist list and Biden promised to choose a woman of color. BIG DIFF!
So corporate media switches to vote Joe because youre electing his cabinet... and here is Reason right on queue.
The cope is so thick, you can cut it with a knife.
"and here is Reason right on queue."
They know their job.
Follow the narrative, add a libertarian spin, explain how immigrants are making it better?
Also how it boosts ass sex and free weed.
Mostly open borders.
The ass sex and weed satisfy the libertine branch, while open borders keeps the factories humming and the wages low, for Uncle Charles. Welcome to Reason.
It’ll be a sad day when Charles finally joins his brother in hell.
"A presidency is more than just one man," Johnson told Joe Scarborough. "I would take Joe Biden at his worst day at age 86 so long as he has people around him like Avril Haines, Samantha Power, Gina Raimondo supporting him, over Donald Trump any day."
Fucking LOL.
Almost as pathetic when they said something to the effect of “I’d give Clinton a blowjob myself if he keeps helping poor people”. Take the fucking L democrats, quit embarrassing the country.
Ha, it was over abortion.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/04/23/reporter_who_offered_to_give_bill_clinton_oral_sex_calls_clinton_cash_author_right-wing_hatchet_man.html
Not to defend the practice, but how is that substantively different from saying "Well, sure Trump's a mess, but at least he nominates great judges"?
It's a stupid argument that no one should make. Hopefully now it becomes clear that it's stupid even when the right wing (I dare not use the word "conservatives" anymore) does it.
I get that you're a retarded Leftist trying to deflect for the marxist regime but there is a difference between "you get some of what you're looking for" and "it doesn't matter so vote for our turnip" in that one of the two actually moves the needle for some articulated reason.
I mean we've pointed out the policies he directed:
Tax cuts
First step
Deregulation 1 in 2 out
10% spending cut ask across departments.
Sure if you want to boaf sides with no analysis have at it.
Stuff your TDS up your ass, and then FOAD.
His Cabinet is proving itself unfit for duty as well. They should have invoked the 25th Amendment last Friday. Even Harris is better than Biden at this point.
Are you sure? I still might take a senile old guy with a full diaper over an insane witch lady.
They've been meeting him every day. They knew he was unfit years ago - but Harris might replace them with her own cronies, and their ambition is more important than having a President who can make decisions in a crisis...
Biden doesn't know what year it is. He isn't appointing anybody. So who will? Does Reason even care as long as the border stays open?
The administration matters and the president is what controls that clown show.
Except for Joe... and none of Trump's deep state appointments listened to him either... huh.
Well theoretically...
none of Trump’s deep state appointments listened to him either
It's pretty well known that he's still pissed about that and won't make that mistake again. There is a long line of loyal sycophants waiting for those appointments, and they won't disappoint this time.
Post the list!
Here - Project2025
IDK how many people have submitted resumes looking for a job in the Trump admin but it is huge.
Everyone loves a winner.
They're not tired of winning yet.
Trump has already said the Heritage plan is not his plan. Multiple fucking times. But keep pushing the retarded leftist narrative fear mongering.
"There is a long line of loyal sycophants waiting for those appointments"
For example?
The thousands and thousands of people who have organized around him since he left office?
He wasn’t prepared to rule his first term. He has been preparing for four long years to rule this term.
The thousands and thousands of people who have organized around him
I was told he was terribly unpopular.
And a convicted felon. He can't possibly have supporters now.
Sarc can't name one put of the thousands oddly.
"Oh wow! I can't believe you don't know, there were thousands"
Okay, name one.
"Oh wow! Are you telling me you don't know? Am I taking crazy pills?"
Just give us a name.
"Fuck you! I'm not telling you anything because you'll argue against whatever name I say in bAd fAitH. I've had enough of talking to you liars. I'm out of here."
He has been preparing for four long years to rule this term.
Yes, diligence is a Trump virtue ... not. And you have been one of those calling him out for shooting from the hip, and shooting off his mouth/Tweet. And now you write that drivel?
Trump is a classic CEO who sets the broad agenda - rather crudely in Trump's case - and lets the minions do the work.
At this stage, loyal sycophants are probably a safer bet than more of the Deep State.
If you want everyone he appoints to be a yes man, then I guess so.
The problem with his last administration is that there were people in it with the temerity to say "No." That won't happen again.
Trump is going to purge all leftists from the government, so sad.
"The problem with his last administration is that there were people in it with the temerity to say “No.”"
YES!!! THAT WAS A PROBLEM YOU FANTASTIC RETARD!
A general or a health official has absolutely no fucking right to ignore a presidential directive and do whatever the fuck they want instead.
That's not how ANY fucking organization works.
What the hell is wrong with you?
Pissed off that appointments that are supposed to advance your agenda that the American people put you there to accomplish undermined you at every turn? He should be pissed as any President would be. I see that he has told Heritage and their Project 2025 to pound sand and shut the hell up.
Hopefully the Chevron decision will curtail that power a bit. Though I wonder if the xenophobes have realized what a monkey wrench it will be in their grand solution to the vermin crisis.
Don't worry folks, Sarc isn't trolling, he's being principled.
Do you still support the Chevron decision even though it will likely curtail Trump's ability to cleanse the blood of the nation through executive orders?
Sorry you cheap-shot, race-baiting drunk, but it won’t have that effect.
When Trump directs executive agencies to interpret laws to mean things they don't mean, and those interpretations are challenged, the courts will no longer defer to the agencies.
That will indeed have a chilling effect on the expanded powers needed to identify and round up all those subhumans who lack papers, or whose papers have expired.
No need to “round them up”.
Sarc, are you this retarded where you dont realize programs like DACA are the reinterpreted law? Thinks lime the BPone parole app?
Have you ever tried using logic?
All Trump has to do is use the exception Jeff cut out regarding 3rd party asylum doctrine already present in the law. He isnt reinterpeting the law like your open border heroes.
That will indeed have a chilling effect on the expanded powers needed to identify and round up all those subhumans who lack papers, or whose papers have expired.
Nope. Sorry retard. It won't.
Enforcing existing law requires no executive orders.
Were you really not aware of this?
Creative interpretations of ambiguous laws (and most of the laws delegating power to the executive are exactly that) often start with executive orders.
Were you really not aware of this?
I can’t wait until Trump puts you in the American Lubyanka,
Cut off the checks and food cards, and they will leave.
The administration?
No, no. Paying them $2K a month + food and housing to undercut legal resident labor is peak libertarian. If you don't agree you're a xenophobe and a racist.
I've got an idea. Why don't you equate immigration, welfare, and the border. Make them all one thing. So if someone disagrees with you on immigration you can attack them for supporting welfare. Totally dishonest, and totally effective.
Welfare should be separate from immigration.
If you are an immigrant, you don’t get any.
It is amusing watching you continue to deny the reality of what is happening while projecting the behavior onto others.
That’s his whole thing.
Here sarcasmocr further demonstrates his retardation. Trumps plan is to enforce the law. Obama and Joe’s an was to change the meaning of the law to allow more illegal immigration. The latter built using Chevron doctrine. Sarc is retarded.
He is also back to yelling xenophobia like a good little retarded leftist.
You’re all sort of wrong.
US law, fortunately or unfortunately depending on your point of view, explicitly gives the DHS Secretary authority to grant immigration parole for a wide variety of reasons, including one catch all for “public interest”. Since it’s an explicit grant of discretion on each case, there isn’t a lot of interpretation going on, and therefore not a lot of opportunities for deference or non-deference.
A large part of what Obama and Biden did that outrages the immigration hardliners was done under this authority. Trump, likewise, had and could have the authority to undo their policies.
So I don’t think this Chevron thing will make much difference. And I don’t think any of the administrations were flouting the law, at least not as much as the critics say.
It really is an area where Congress delegated the decision and therefore elections have immediate consequences.
It amuses me to no end that 1.5M a year in legal immigration is called a hardliners stance by you open border dems. Lol. Also not giving them 150B a year in government programs is a hardliners stance. Fucking hilarious.
There has been so many differences between the rules put forth from different administrations that the only explanation I can think of is ambiguity in the law.
The Chevron decision means that if someone sues over the agency’s interpretation of some ambiguity, the courts won’t dismiss the cases with a wave of their hand.
Not sure what the result will be. Will the courts legislate from the bench? Kick it back to Congress? I don’t know. But it won’t be business as usual.
But it won’t be business as usual.
Excellent
Congress delegated the decision
which Congress cannot do. It has responsibilities, which is essentially what SCOTUS was saying in striking down Chevron.
We should have a separate vote for First Lady.
You mean First Partner.
It was about the judges he'd appoint.
And in Trump's case, that turned out to be hugely important, and will be again in the next administration.
The current president matters a great deal, because he keeps the political discussions away from democrat policies.
I think the Democrats have a plan that Eric can, strategically and reluctantly support.
NYT Reporter Cuts to the Chase: ‘I Wish Somebody Would Kill Trump’
https://slaynews.com/news/nyt-reporter-wish-somebody-kill-trump/
But then McWhorter acknowledges that it wasn’t a one-off.
“I have said it often,” he admitted.
Loury, a prominent leftist, appeared stunned by the comments.
“Do you realize the hell that will be unleashed on the country if people continue to talk like that?” Loury said.
“This is not something that you just casually throw around – killing politicians who you don’t like…
“Do you think it ends there?
“Do you think that if somebody were to do something along the lines that you’re suggesting, that would be the end of it?”
McWhorter flippantly responded: “Well, somebody else would run (as the Republican nominee).
“Anyone but (Trump) would be better.”
If a conservative commentator hinted that it would be a good thing if someone assassinated Democrat President Joe Biden, they would surely be visited by the Secret Service or FBI.
This was followed quickly by a criminal prosecution by Biden’s Justice Department and an extended stay in federal prison.
Loury, a prominent leftist
What kind of next-level ignoramus do you have to be to describe Glenn Loury as "a prominent leftist?"
It's not ignorance, it's just where Grimsrud just draws his center line. Somewhere between Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller.
I wish Loury or McWhorter had gone after the LP nomination. Not sure where they are on all the issues but it would be worth listening to.
Those were not my words. Cut and paste from the article.
^1
it’s just where Grimsrud just draws his center line. Somewhere between Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller
I don't think that's being fair to Grimsrud - he tends to be one of the more reasonable commenters. I think he was pulling this more for the point that if anyone said the same thing about Biden there would be hell to pay, and he's not wrong.
OTOH, anyone who describes Loury as a "leftist" and tries to package McWhorter as some left-wing operative from the NYT clearly doesn't know anything at all about either man and is just looking to score cheap partisan points.
McWhorter is a mixed person politically. Some conservative ideas and plenty of liberal/progressive ones. I would not support him for Prez.
Ya, he's getting the two black guys mixed up.
Loury is a pretty consistent conservative. McWhorter is one that would probably wear the "classical liberal" label. Has always voted D, supports most lefty stuff, but the emperor's clothes gaslighting of society is a bridge too far for him. Especially when it comes to the race hustle, he pushes back on the pandering from the left
Actually read one of his books in the pre Trump days.
McWhorter I mean.
McWhorter is one that would probably wear the “classical liberal” label. Has always voted D, supports most lefty stuff, but the emperor’s clothes gaslighting of society is a bridge too far for him. Especially when it comes to the race hustle, he pushes back on the pandering from the left
Yeah – I generally respect him, but he does have his cringey moments, like this one. I listen to Loury semi-regularly, especially when he’s got McWhorter on (every two weeks), because they get into some interesting debates and aren’t afraid to push back on one another since they’re old friends.
But this particular episode had me rolling my eyes at McWhorter pretty hard, as he just point-blank refused to see Loury’s point. He’s solidly in the “Trump is a unique threat and the normal rules don’t apply” camp, and that makes me lose some respect for him.
McW suffers from TDS and is not very self-aware.
McWhorter is a pussy who values the status quo above anything else, like all "centrists" and most self-anointed "classical liberals".
He has a role, and that role makes him quite comfortable.
Occasionally has some good points, doesn't in the end actually stand for anything.
This was followed quickly by a criminal prosecution by Biden’s Justice Department and an extended stay in federal prison.
I think the extended stay in federal prison comes before the criminal prosecution, based on recent history.
A-Lot! Thanks to FDR and Democrats constantly ignoring the US Constitution. Not as-if the 'veto' power wasn't significant enough all by itself.
So lets not pretend the Presidency doesn't matter just so Out-to-lunch Joe can get elected huh?
"It's happening, but it's not that big of a deal." <=== you are here
someone here at some point laid out the bullet points for this progression perfectly. I cant form an internet search that states them … cause … why would lefty search engines do that, right?
could someone post them all here again – i’d like to record them for posterity – i dont remember them all properly
-its not happening
-its not happening and its good that it is.,.. or something like that
-it happening but its not a big deal
....etc.
Who the president is, and how alert he is matters a whole lot at 2:30 in the morning when the president's military aid wakes him up to tell him that someone has sunk one of our warships in the South China Sea, or the Baltic, or the Red Sea and asks, "What do you want us to do, Mr. President?" I'm not comfortable with either of the candidates in that sort of situation.
Why not?
to Big Ed,
why would you be worried about what Trump would do in that situation?
He has always done what he thinks is best for America in any situation.
While Biden (And his handlers) consistently have taken the choice that is worse for our country.
I also like that he has a reputation for being dangerous and unpredictable, and that makes our enemies afraid of what he might do
"...I’m not comfortable with either of the candidates in that sort of situation."
TDS will do that.
Project 2025 along with the SCOTUS ruling will usher in the tyrannical government so feared by libertarians and 2A folk. Republicans desire to control commerce, your children and put all the economy under Trump. Essentially it will make Trump a proletarian dictator capable of seizing your property and daughters without due process. Project 2025 will destroy the economy and steal liberty from all Americans. It is the dictatorship and State control Libertarians are supposed to stand against.
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
My god! Let's nuke Mar-a-Lago!
parody?
Apparently a parody of JFree. Which doesn't make sense since he agrees.
Trying to find a good deal on goal-post wheels; seems the Biden group could use quite a few and it's a money-making opportunity.
BTW, let's assume the claim is valid. Well, what we got from Trump was miles better than what we got from Biden, so either Trump is better or luckier.
I'll take either.
Have you ever been in charge of building a building? Have you had to decide what building to build, where to build it, get the financing, hire architects and a general contractor and oversee the whole thing, start to finish and bring it in of budget?
Trump did that FOR A LIVING. His job was not to be an expert on everything, his job weas to be expert at overseeing the experts. Believe it or not, Trump is good at that. The naysayers will jump in and tell horror stories. That's like saying LeBron missed a layup once, so that makes him a horrible basketball player.
The problem was never Trump. The problem is the millions of people sucking at the government teat who feel threatened by Trump. With competent people, Trump can make great things happen. With the usual party hacks and hangers-on, we are all doomed. We all know we are in a terrible mess. Only a fool thinks it's Trump's fault.
1) Commander in Chief
2) Chief Diplomat
3) Chief Administrator
4) Codifier of Laws
That's it.
America forgot a long time ago that Legislature is - and always has been - far more important than the Presidency. But I suspect that's because they long for the days of a monarchy. Or dictatorship. (But a benevolent dictatorship. Depending on your definition of "benevolent.")
Ron de Santis, anyone?