Supreme Court Rules That Punishing the Homeless for Sleeping Outside Isn't 'Cruel and Unusual'
Homeless advocates say the court's decision in Grants Pass v. Johnson gives local governments a blank check to "to arrest or fine those with no choice but to sleep outdoors."

In a major opinion affecting how cities can address homelessness, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled today that an Oregon city's enforcement of a public camping ban against the "involuntarily" homeless does not violate the Eighth Amendment's prohibition on "cruel and unusual" punishment.
"The Cruel and Unusual Punishments Clause focuses on the question what 'method or kind of punishment' a government may impose after a criminal conviction, not on the question whether a government may criminalize particular behavior in the first place," wrote Justice Neil Gorsuch for the majority in the case of City of Grants Pass v. Johnson.
Because the penalties attached to violating Grants Pass' camping ban only involved warnings, small civil fines, and at most 30 days in jail, Gorsuch reasoned they did not amount to "cruel and unusual" punishment.
The five other conservative justices sided with Gorsuch, while the court's three liberals dissented.
Homeless advocates have roundly condemned the opinion, arguing it will give cities a blank check to criminalize homelessness and lock up people with nowhere else to go.
"Cities are now even more empowered to neglect proven housing-based solutions and to arrest or fine those with no choice but to sleep outdoors," said the National Homelessness Law Center in a statement.
The Grants Pass case arose from a lawsuit filed by two homeless individuals against Grants Pass, Oregon, over its enforcement of a local public camping ban. The plaintiffs argued that since the town had no "available" shelter beds, its enforcement of the camping ban against people sleeping outside or in their vehicles effectively criminalized the "status" of homelessness in violation of the Eighth Amendment.
The plaintiffs relied on a prior ruling by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit, which had ruled in the 2018 case Martin v. Boise that cities can't enforce camping bans when there are no available shelter beds.
A U.S. District Court in Oregon, relying on the Martin decision, blocked Grants Pass' enforcement of its camping ban. In 2022, the 9th Circuit upheld the district court's injunction, prompting Grants Pass to appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court. Earlier this year, the court agreed to take the case.
A bipartisan collection of state and local officials and interest groups has long argued that the 9th Circuit's Martin ruling effectively tied their hands when trying to address homelessness; leaving them effectively powerless to maintain order in public spaces and get the homeless into shelter.
Everyone from California Gov. Gavin Newsom to the free market Goldwater Institute had urged the Supreme Court to overrule the Martin decision.
Gorsuch's opinion gave great weight to cities' complaints that they're unable to address the multi-faceted issue of homelessness so long as the Martin limits on enforcement of public camping bans remained on the books.
"Homelessness is complex. Its causes are many. So may be the public policy responses required to address it. At bottom, the question this case presents is whether the Eighth Amendment grants federal judges primary responsibility for assessing those causes and devising those responses. It does not," he wrote, saying those decisions should be left up to the people and their elected officials.
Writing for the three liberal dissenters, Justice Sonya Sotomayor argued that the sweeping nature of the Grants Pass camping ban did qualify as cruel and unusual punishment.
The city "jails and fines those people for sleeping anywhere in public at any time, including in their cars, if they use as little as a blanket to keep warm or a rolled-up shirt as a pillow. For people with no access to shelter, that punishes them for being homeless. That is unconscionable and unconstitutional," she wrote.
Gorsuch's majority opinion cited heavily from local government associations who argued that the Martin decision had contributed to an explosion in unsheltered homelessness, a crisis they were severely restricted from responding to. (These same taxpayer-funded associations are frequently the biggest opponents of legislation that would remove local regulatory barriers to new housing construction.)
Sotomayor also took issue with Gorsuch's heavy citations of these local government associations, writing "the majority focuses almost exclusively on the needs of local governments and leaves the most vulnerable in our society with an impossible choice: Either stay awake or be arrested."
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Is every fucking issue destined to be a Supreme Court case these days?
Are we even a republic anymore?
You’re not a member of “we”, Canadian.
Funny that sarc can't recognize Tulpa.
He got me. Touche.
Same person switched names lol.
I'm not so sure it isn't sarc.
So "majority rules", no matter what?
camping ban against people sleeping outside or in their vehicles
Wait - the ban also prohibited people from sleeping in their own vehicles? That seems like a bit much.
You want someone sleeping in their car outside your mom’s house?
This is like solving obesity by passing legislation that changes the law of gravity.
If sleeping (a necessary bodily function) cannot be proscribed in public, explain why peeing on the courthouse steps shouldn't also be legal.
"I must be able to do this somewhere" does not mean "I must be able to do this here".
Yes, but is there a "somewhere" where it's legal?
"Homeless advocates have roundly..."
There's an interest group out there advocating homelessness?
...seems perverse.
The activist groups make 10s of millions a year not solving the issue.
Well that depends what issue it is they're trying to solve... they're doing very well on the issue of job security.
Billions. California spent 24 billion and no one has any idea where the money went.
Kick acts to California democrats campaigns?
with no choice but to sleep outdoors
They could stop shooting junk, that is an option. And one that will be forced on them for a few days sitting in county.
They have a choice. They choose not to make the choice over drugs.
What if they choose not to decide? Will they still have made a choice?
Plenty of land outside of the cities to camp in.
Exactly. There is plenty of areas that they can sleep in that is not public sidewalks and benches.
Homeless hordes go away when free shit goes away.
What’s the Libertarian position on free shit again, Reason?
Homeless advocates have roundly condemned the opinion, arguing it will give cities a blank check to criminalize homelessness and lock up people with nowhere else to go.
Well, then they WON'T FUCKING BE OUTSIDE ANYMORE!
They could do those migrant jobs people like ENB keep telling us Americans refuse to do.
Always thought this ruling by the 9th was bizarre. As Gorsuch points out the 8th clearly applies to punishment after someone is convicted of a crime not to the arrest for a crime. To say that local government can't enforce a law because the potential punishment may be cruel and unusual makes no sense to me.
"to arrest or fine those with no choice but to sleep outdoors."
If only that narrative were even remotely true.
*style guide warning: "complicated" is a word Journalismists use when something is ugly but they need a 3000 word thinkpiece to explain it away.*
In fairness, Jordan might be right in this case, the shelter might be a horrible filthy rapey shithole and he would be better off taking his chances on the streets.
But to your larger point, I can certainly see how there could be 'free spirits' who don't feel burdened by social customs like living in a house, and live on the streets by choice. I would hope that a just government, one that is representative of the people and respectful of liberty, would try to accommodate to as great extent as possible, the wide diversity of legitimate choices that individuals might make about how to live their lives, even if they are rather far outside the mainstream. I don't want a society that is oppressively conformist. I don't think that means people are entitled to camp on public lands per se. But I would also not be opposed to, say, having a designated camping spot for people who do want to live that way.
We should set aside land for free campgrounds. That surely won’t turn into a horrible filthy rapey shithole .
They already have Dem cities for that.
In fact, Gorsuch's opinion in fact cites a case where Chico, California did set aside land for camping by the homeless (complete with “protective fencing, large water totes, hand-washing stations, portable toilets, [and] a large canopy for shade.” )
A federal district judge ruled that outdoor camping wasn't "appropriate" shelter, and that accordingly it would be cruel and unusual punishment under the 9th Circuit precedent for the city to enforce a ban on outdoor camping elsewhere in the city.
Which is fucking insane.
Even if the homeless have some sort of right to camp outside because they have nowhere else to go, that doesn't give them the right to camp anywhere because they have nowhere else to go.
Sorry, just went on an Urban Safari down Central Avenue here in Albuquerque, seeing all the places boarded up, burned down, and fenced off, along with all of the godsdamned fucking zombies roaming the streets. So my tolerance is shot all to shit.
"Even if the homeless have some sort of right to camp outside because they have nowhere else to go, that doesn’t give them the right to camp anywhere because they have nowhere else to go."
That's exactly right! These people want the right to camp ANYWHERE. Which is patently ridiculous.
In other Supreme Court news, J6 defendants win on the obstruction charges. 6-3 with Brown in the majority and ACB joining the liberals. Some Reason editor probably writing it up right now.
ACB joining the liberals.
So not a surprise.
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This nigga Biden better not get
re-elected he can barley get words out
At first I thought this was a butplug post.
"Because the penalties attached to violating Grants Pass' camping ban only involved warnings, small civil fines, and at most 30 days in jail..."
So, they're housing them for 30 days. Just keep arresting them.
^THIS. Jail is the ?free? food, housing and healthcare the left keeps dreaming of. Funny how they already have all the welfare system ever ‘needed’ but find it’s conditions UN-livable unless all the ?free? stuff comes with absolutely no *earning* or consequences attached to it.
I don’t necessarily agree with this ruling but………..
Where’s Reasons regular narrative claiming the nation has all these UN-filled jobs at? Surely with all these needed jobs to be filled no-one really must have any excuse short of pure defiance to be homeless. Right, Right. /s
Curious why? While my heart goes out to the homeless, some are vets, some have fallen on hard times. There are places that support them.
"The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) announced nearly $3.16 billion" - lots of graft. Lots of people virtue signal but won't take a homeless in or help them if they see them on the street.
I see it as a public safety issue honestly.
lol. lmao even.
Local gov: steals my money and forces me to fund a park
Homeless junkies: poop and pee and camp and fight in the park 24/7
Taxpayers: wtf am i paying for.
It is literally impossible to find a homeless person camping in the city park or on a downtown sidewalk who is not on drugs. Impossible.
No one is forcing homeless people to live on the streets of major US cities. They could go out into the wilderness and live in the same way people of the past lived, and there's an entire state (Alaska) where that is viable. Last I checked they could potentially get funds from the Permanent Fund Dividend too.
Of course, that would require the homeless person to have at least some skills and knowledge which isn't common in junkies or the mentally ill.
Unfortunately for the left, government institutions were horror shows for those types and since that is the only possible solution to the left I suppose making it a human right to set up a house in the middle of a street is their only 'solution' to the issue.
That and lots of free methadone or something. They'll figure it out later, trust them, but give them the cash right now.
Regardless of how you feel about the judgement, the 'homeless' are often fairly adaptive by nature, and fully capable of "voting with their feet" as Reason often reminds us when states and their municipalities become oppressive.. Balance will be struck between various homeless rights advocacy organizations, civil liberty organizations, and their politically destructive social-media campaigns, reigning in the most oppressive regimes, and the more egregious members of the homeless communities who are even too violent and insufferable for the virtue-signalers and professionally aggrieved to champion.. As they say, this too shall pass..
How can you possibly be against this? This is straight up Power to the People.
(Rhetorical question, btw – I already know the answer, Marxistarian.)
This is the icing on the cake:
Under the city’s laws, it makes no difference whether the charged defendant is homeless, a backpacker on vacation passing through town, or a student who abandons his dorm room to camp out in protest on the lawn of a municipal building. In that respect, the city’s laws parallel those found in countless jurisdictions across the country. And because laws like these do not criminalize mere status, Robinson is not implicated.
*chefs kiss*
People are sick of the criminals and vagrants and malcontents running their hometowns into the ground. This FINALLY empowers them to do something about them.
This was a huge, huge libertarian win.
I'm not surprised that the SC ruled this way. The issue has a centuries old tradition in common law if not statutory/constitutional law. But there is no such thing as common law to the SC. The right to sleep is about as natural a right as you can get. Right back to Aristotle who wrote about it. And it doesn't require buying a house first. That doesn't mean a muni has no options to control that. But it is clear that simply turning that into a crime is as evil as turning breathing or thinking into a crime.
The right to sleep is about as natural a right as you can get.
But we don’t live in a state of nature. We live in society. And in a society, certain natural rights are subordinated to civil rights. The right to take a dump is a natural right the same way the right to sleep is, borne of a biological necessity. It doesn’t mean I can do it on your front porch. Why? Because your civil property rights supersede my natural rights when we choose to live in civil society.
And before you try to say “public property” – that public property is similarly owned. By the citizen body that defines a town or city and democratically votes to establish standards of conduct.
But it is clear that simply turning that into a crime is as evil as turning breathing or thinking into a crime.
You missed the entire point of the decision. If you even read it, which I’m assuming you didn’t, because most internet mouthbreathers never bother.
It’s punishing them from setting up camp and declaring for themselves each a tiny fiefdom on public property. A fiefdom that directly results in violence, sexual assault, illegal drug use/distribution, public health and communicable disease problems, and public safety problems. To say nothing of its 100% negative impact on pedestrian traffic, vehicle traffic, nearby commerce, and tourism.
And it’s rarely even a “punishment” in the first place – Grant’s Pass made it explicitly clear that they train their police in outreach and assistance. Fines and jails only start being utilized when the bums get belligerent and obstinate. There’s no cruelty or malice by the people who wanted this statute – just an entirely valid desire to get bums off their streets. The actual goal is to try and get these people into shelters rather than on the streets, as a first step towards rehab or skills-training to help make them healthy, productive, independent citizens.
But let’s not forget that in some – many – of these cases, these are literal beggars who think they can be choosers. There are available places to sleep offered by religious charities – but the bums reject them because the bed is conditioned on not using drugs and attending church services. But even when that’s not necessarily a condition, the bums and addicts turn them down. Quote: “The city of Seattle, for example, reports that roughly 60 percent of its offers of shelter have been rejected in a recent year. Officials in Portland, Oregon, indicate that, between April 2022 and January 2024, over 70 percent of their approximately 3,500 offers of shelter beds to homeless individuals were declined. Other cities tell us that “the vast majority of their homeless populations are not actively seeking shelter and refuse all services.”
In doing so in Grant’s Pass, this becomes 600 overly-entitled people demanding 37,000 others let their city fail to ruin. Because they want to erect a regular structure in which to sleep in a place that has no business being slept in/on – and screw the consequences to anyone and everyone else. How is that justified, JFree? How do you rationalize that as acceptable?
So, the people said no. They said enough is enough, and got a local law passed. And it wasn’t just Grant’s Pass. Hundreds and hundreds of cities started passing laws like this – including the Mecca of the Wokeness religion, San Francisco. And the Court wasn’t buying the Woke argument that this was therefore a 8A violation for being homeless – because that’s not what it did.
You can be homeless all the live long day. You just can’t set up camp on public property and declare it your regular sleeping quarters.
There is absolutely nothing unreasonable about that, nor any affront to natural rights. You want a natural right to sleep wherever you want, fine – go find a place outside city limits.
Cool. So as long as you can muster a majority, then natural rights of an individual don't mean shit and can indeed be criminalized.
Fucking Propertarians.
Yeah that's not what he said at all.
Fucking petty tyrants.
It's ok, JFree can't actually read. Apparently he does indeed believe we have a right to shit on his porch, so I think in some fairness he should post his address. To do otherwise is to deny us our natural rights.
JFear knows about as much about Natural Rights as Jfear knows about....well anything. He gets his news from NPR, and thinks that makes him the smartest person in the world. In fact he sucks in just enough information to make some "common sense" hypothesis and treats it as fact. His complete lack of critical thinking is all too common, but his obsessive need to beclown himself by boldly asserting these theories as fact takes him to a whole other level of absurdity.
Wow, that is the stupidest thing you have ever posted. THAT is a pretty high standard dude because you have certainly posted some stupid shit!
It does however expose that you are not a libertarian, but rather an anarchist.
The argument before the court was that it was an 8th Amendment violation. But the 8th deals with punishments. If the argument is that it shouldn't be a crime at all, then the 8th is not the proper way to challenge it. Probably the 14th would be the way to go. (Indeed, the majority opinion seems to think that framing this sort of thing as a due process challenge "may have made some sense", and the dissent agrees.)
Let's talk about property rights.
Sleeping outside , on a park bench, or in a tent on a sidewalk is TAKING that property for your own use without the agreement of the property owner.
"Homeless" people who do these things are violating the property rights of the owners, be they public or private entities. being "homeless" has many causes but none of them give you the right to violate the rights of others.
For the entire existence of the country it was NORMAL to see the drunk sleeping on the sidewalk to be awakened by the beat cop, and told to either "move along" or be arrested.
There is nothing libertarian about advocating to allow some to violate the property rights of others.