Government Can't Fix America's Baby Bust
The obstacles to having more babies can't be moved by tax incentives or subsidized child care.

Is the American family doomed?
Fewer than half of U.S. adults are married. The nation's fertility rate has fallen below replacement level. The percentage of children living with married parents has fallen drastically. There's no denying the trend lines.
That trajectory has spawned a public panic that sometimes verges on the apocalyptic, along with a related discussion about how best to use money and power to reverse course. Journalists, sociologists, and public intellectuals, most but not all of them right-of-center politically, have called for everything from tax credits to tariffs to transformations of the American welfare system in hopes of changing the way Americans conceptualize and form families.
But the declinist narrative doesn't tell the whole story—and the calls for big, centralized solutions misunderstand the issues at hand. The relevant obstacles to more marriages, more babies, and more stable families can't be moved by tax incentives, marriage promotion campaigns, or federally subsidized day care.
Four new books about American families—written by people with different politics, different professional backgrounds, and 24 kids between them—make a compelling case that the American family needs a course correction. But that correction won't come from any of the typical pro-marriage or pro-natalist policy prescriptions.
If it comes, the change will be the result of a ground-up transformation: a cultural paradigm in which family formation is understood as an individual choice but not a lonely one, and in which distributed cultural support provides what a top-down program handed down from Washington cannot.
What the American family needs is a vibe shift.
Get Married, Get Happy?
Marriage is still the norm in America, but it is declining.
In 1990, 67 percent of the country's adults were married and 71 percent had been married at some point. By 2019, those percentages had dropped to 53 and 62 percent, respectively. The number who lived unmarried with a romantic partner grew from 4 percent to 9 percent.
That drop in the marriage rate alarms Brad Wilcox, a sociologist who directs the National Marriage Project at the University of Virginia. In Get Married: Why Americans Must Defy the Elites, Forge Strong Families, and Save Civilization, Wilcox argues that many people would be better off married, especially where kids are involved.
Wilcox doesn't think that everyone should be wed, nor that every marriage is worth saving. But married people, he notes, have higher median household incomes than unmarried counterparts and more assets at retirement. On average, they raise more well-adjusted children. And in recent surveys, the married-with-children set scores high above single, child-free folks on various measures of life satisfaction—a shift from previous survey evidence. For instance, a 2021 study from the Institute for Family Studies and the Wheatley Institute found that 82 percent of parents aged 18–55 said they were "pretty happy" or "very happy," compared to 68 percent of people without kids.
"It may be in part that happier people today are more likely to have children—what scholars call the selection effect," writes Wilcox. "But it is clearly no longer the case that parents are more miserable than their childless peers."
Wilcox suggests we could have more happily married couples if more people rejected certain marriage myths common today—for instance, the idea of "soulmates." The soulmate concept skips over the daily work of marriage, implying that making marriage work is merely a matter of finding the "right" person with whom one's soul is cosmically aligned. This can lead to disappointment—and divorce—when couples realize a relationship won't always be as easy or thrilling as it once was.
Get Married may be onto something when it criticizes the ways pop culture and media mislead about romance. But Wilcox also pins much of the blame for marriage's decline on "elites"—well-off, college-educated, largely left-leaning urban and suburban professionals who, he argues, personally practice a mostly conventional form of stable, successful marriage that they don't preach to the working class.
It's true that wealthier and college-educated people are now more likely than lower-income and lower-education people to marry before they have children and to stay married afterward. "College-educated parents' risk of divorce has fallen by about 25 percent since the 1970s, and almost 90 percent of their children are being raised in married, largely intact families today," writes Wilcox, who chastises these groups for "walking right but talking left" on marriage.
But the people most likely to encounter screeds against marriage and children, praise of polyamory, and other "elite" discourse of the sort Wilcox decries are the very classes most likely to be having stable marriages and families. Surely the marriage gap has more to do with norms within communities, as well as the particular circumstances and stressors associated with economic precarity, than with working-class Americans taking their cues from open-marriage memoirs and New York Times op-eds. Wilcox's repeated jabs at elites read more like partisan attempts to cast left-leaning professionals as villains than like useful diagnoses of the practical struggles facing contemporary American relationships.
Check Your Two-Parent Privilege
Melissa Kearney, an economist at the University of Maryland, is also worried about marriage rates—specifically, the effect they're having on children.
In The Two-Parent Privilege: How Americans Stopped Getting Married and Started Falling Behind, Kearney notes that kids who grow up without two parents at home have higher rates of behavioral problems and more run-ins with the law. They're less likely to graduate from high school or to get a college degree. Their adult earnings are lower.
Having two parents is the ultimate privilege, Kearney suggests. It confers benefits but is disproportionately associated with upper- and middle-class parents and increasingly foreign to kids whose parents have less education and money—thereby perpetuating generation-spanning inequality.
In 2019, just 63 percent of U.S. children lived with married parents, down from 77 percent in 1980. But the shift has been far from equal across socioeconomic classes. For mothers with a college degree, the drop was just six percentage points, from an already high 90 percent in 1980. But for mothers without a college degree, the drop was 23 percentage points. Only 60 percent of kids whose moms have a high school but no college degree now live with married parents, and only 57 percent of kids whose moms have no high school degree do.
One obvious question this raises is how to encourage more people to marry before having children.
Evidence from decades of government-run marriage promotion programs suggests that they don't work. President George W. Bush's Healthy Marriage Initiative, which aimed to boost marriage rates through public advertising campaigns, relationship-skills education programs, and reducing disincentives to marriage in welfare programs, "did not meaningfully increase marital stability among participating couples," explains Kearney. Nor have government-run "responsible fatherhood" programs aimed at unmarried dads been able to boost in-person time with children, financial support to kids, or "meaningful improvements in measures of co-parenting or measures of the fathers' social-emotional and mental well-being."
In some corners, the response to class discrepancies in marriage rates is simple: Men aren't earning enough to be attractive as husbands. Wilcox nods to this idea in Get Married, bashing free trade for sending factory jobs overseas.
In this formulation, raising men's earnings should lead to more marriages and more two-parent families. But that hasn't happened.
Kearney writes that she too assumed that higher earnings for men should lead to more stable marriages and two-parent households. But then she tested that idea by looking at what happened in fracking boomtowns from 1997 to 2012. Male employment and wages rose in those areas, but there was no concurrent boost in marriages or cohabitation rates. Births increased, but the baby boom "occurred as much with unmarried parents as with married ones." She concludes that "in a time when an increasing share of kids are born to unmarried parents, there may be no going back—at least not through economic changes alone."
Despite the positive correlations between two-parent families and outcomes for children, it's not even clear whether more marriages would actually change outcomes for many kids. Many single parents would probably benefit from an extra income or another set of hands. But Kearney's research casts doubt on the idea that this would be some sort of universal boost.
In a study with Wellesley College economist Phillip Levine, Kearney found that the returns on marriage differed for kids whose mothers had differing education levels. "The potential resource gain from marriage is not sufficient at the low end, and is unnecessary at the high end," writes Kearney of the study. "Increased rates of marriage among unmarried parents might be beneficial to children in some instances, but likely not all."
Industrial policy, higher wages and breadwinner jobs for men, and various pro-marriage initiatives have all foundered. For those concerned about the breakdown of marriage and families, there's little evidence to support any straightforward policy intervention.
Defying the Birth Dearth
Yet some people do have lots of kids, intentionally and in wedlock. And recently, the number seems to be holding. Although the percentage of U.S. women with five or more kids fell from 20 percent in 1976 to 5 percent in 1990, it has remained relatively flat in the nearly 35 years since.
What can be learned from these fonts of fecundity?
In Hannah's Children: The Women Quietly Defying the Birth Dearth, Catherine Pakaluk, a mother of eight who teaches at Catholic University of America's business school, interviews 55 women who have given birth to at least five children apiece. "I undertook this research convinced that the study of high birth rates could shed light on the problem of low ones," she writes. To be part of the study, the mothers had to be college-educated, because Pakaluk "wanted to know what it looked like to face the 'new calculus' of childbearing with the difficult trade-offs between work and family and still choose to have several children."
Pakaluk's subjects drive home the idea that economic enticements aren't enough to induce people to have (more) children. The most salient costs of having kids—especially lots of kids—are not monetary.
What weighed most heavily on these women was giving up other things or putting them on hold: professional ambitions, a social identity tied to one's work, time for hobbies or creative pursuits.
"Their narratives taught us that falling birth rates are not a cost problem, at least not the way we normally think about a cost problem," writes Pakaluk. "The relevant obstacle to choosing a child, they said, was the cost of missing out on the other things you could have done with your time, your money, or your life."
In other words, the real price is about opportunity costs. While "the opportunity cost of having a child increased sharply with women's expanded education and professional work," Pakaluk observes, "there was no corresponding increase to the value of having a child." Is it any wonder that birth rates have fallen?
This calculus makes birth rates "very difficult to reverse using the standard policy levers," writes Pakaluk, noting that her subjects' stories "sorely challenge family policy prescriptions, particularly pro-natalist policies. Cash incentives and tax relief won't persuade people to give up their lives. People will do that for God, for their families, and for their future children." Having children—and especially having a lot of children—is fundamentally a private, personal commitment.
In a culture trending less religious, fewer people will find God an acceptable arbiter of their family size. Notably, Pakaluk writes that although 100 percent of her sample was religious, big families here weren't founded on religious objections to birth control. If birth rates are to rise, more people must want kids or a big family for their own sakes.
Kids might be understood as experience goods—goods "whose total costs and benefits cannot be fully assessed in advance," as Pakaluk puts it. This makes it hard for those without them to know what they're missing.
Moreover, highly educated professional women spend many years working toward other goals. "Each year that they enjoy their studies, training, or work reinforces the value determination that having a child will mean giving up things they know and love, for an unknown quantity." To have a big family, women typically have to start having kids early. Pakaluk concludes that "if you want to nudge people into having more kids, it's going to be a lot harder to nudge them into the first or second child than the fourth or fifth."
Family Unfriendly
What will it take to convince people to have that first or second child? Not typical pro-natalist policies, agrees Timothy P. Carney. Instead, American life needs a more holistic family-friendly overhaul.
Carney—a father of six, Washington Examiner columnist, and fellow at the American Enterprise Institute—aims to convince people that having a big brood is not only doable but great, so long as you can avoid some of the traps of modern parenting. His prescriptions are aimed both at making life easier and better for existing families and encouraging younger couples to start having kids sooner.
Generally, pro-natalism involves either a litany of new government programs and incentives or relies on guilt-tripping women about not having babies in sufficient quantities to help their homeland. But Carney's book Family Unfriendly: How Our Culture Made Raising Kids Much Harder Than It Needs to Be is refreshingly different, dismissing most of the typical pro-natalist policy agenda as ineffective. "Ultimately, government spending can spur only modest increases in birthrates," he writes.
Yes, he favors child tax credits, calling them "a fairness measure," acknowledging "that a family of five…needs more money than a single free agent." But mostly he argues for smaller changes, some cultural and some policy-oriented.
Carney wants walkable neighborhoods ("if you want fecundity in the sheets, you need walkability in the streets"), fewer housing regulations, and fewer freakouts over kids going outside alone. Parents, he warns, are plagued by "excessive fear" and the idea that we must hone kids "into high achievers at a young age." Today's "maximum-effort, high-anxiety, low-trust parenting"—with its poor risk assessment, excessive focus on our kids' futures at the expense of their present happiness, and insistence that children need pricey and time-consuming enrichment activities and/or constant parental attention—"is a cultural pathology that has massive consequences." That attitude has convinced too many people that they should have few or no kids. And it's made many modern families miserable.
"Someone has convinced us that parenting should involve much more effort than any generation before us put in. That is madness," writes Carney, who also offers this gem: "Raising kids is a bit like smoking pork shoulder: it's not going to be quick, and you do need to check the thermometer from time to time, but you'll get the best outcome if you avoid constantly lifting the lid and prodding the meat."
Against One-Size-Fits-All Solutions
The family panic is driven by a narrative of decline and disarray. But there is another way to view shifts in family formation—one where much of what is happening is actually good news. Americans today are marrying and procreating, or not, on their own terms. This, in turn, is leading to happier relationships, happier families, and more fulfilling lives all around.
In this largely celebratory tale, the happy facade of the baby boom masked miserable marriages, desperate housewives, and unfulfilled aspirations. Then the loosening of laws and taboos around divorce and working women allowed many people to leave unhappy situations behind. When today's Americans decide to marry and have kids—not always in that order, and without one always implying the other—it's for the right reasons, rather than a feeling that it's obligatory.
This has led to stronger marriages, and alternative arrangements—including couples happily co-parenting without tying the knot—that are just as good. And while Americans are having fewer children, they're investing more in the ones we do have: quality over quantity. Single parenting may have reached an equilibrium, holding stable since 2009 after rising for decades. Divorce rates are down about 40 percent from 1980.
This story may be too simplistically upbeat. But it's correct that there's no one-size-fits-all solution to thriving.
Any reading of the data to suggest that family formation alone makes people happier, healthier, and wealthier suffers from serious flaws.
Remember Wilcox's selection effect, in which he acknowledges that many parents might be happier because happier people choose to have kids? That's no minor point. It basically undermines any case for marriage that rests on statistical measures of personal well-being.
Maybe married people are richer and more fulfilled because they're married—or maybe they're married because they're richer and more fulfilled. Most likely, it's a constellation of factors. But the fact that married people are on average happier does not mean everyone would be happier married.
Likewise, it's hard to detangle correlations from causes when it comes to the well-being of children raised in different family structures. Two-parent households differ from single--parent households in many ways, including the fact that they're more likely to have two incomes and, thus, less likely to be in poverty. It's impossible to know how much of the benefits that accrue to kids of two-parent households come largely from the marriage aspect, the financial aspect, or some convoluted combination of attributes.
This "doesn't mean family structure doesn't matter," writes Kearney. "Rather, it means that the reason that children from married-parent or two-parent homes tend to have better educational, economic, and social outcomes in life is because of something that two-parent homes are more readily able to provide for their children."
Pinpointing any single factor as determinative is nearly impossible. Two-parent households are also associated with more educated, older, and wealthier parents, which can mean everything from better schools to more books in the house, more nutritious food, and more money for enriching activities. Children of single parents are more likely to be black or Hispanic and less likely to live in safe neighborhoods. Marriage can be a proxy for religiosity. It may also be correlated with emotional stability, as well as other traits that could influence child outcomes. And let's not forget genetics—some heritable tendencies may make someone less likely to marry and also less likely to have offspring with traits that set them up for certain sorts of success. Marriage, or stable cohabitation, is a proxy for all sorts of other advantages, which means that even if it were somehow possible, simply marrying off single parents would go only so far.
But there are problems with the all-is-well narrative.
For instance, the idea that the rise in out-of-wedlock births stems largely from parents living and raising kids together in situations that approximate marriage in all but legal status. "Data show conclusively that parents are not cohabitating without marriage in a way that remotely accounts for the decrease in two-parent married households," writes Kearney.
Or take the idea that young people today are consciously rejecting marriage. To the contrary, nearly 70 percent of never-married 18- to 34-year-olds want to get hitched eventually, according to a February 2024 Pew Research Center survey. Only 8 percent say they definitely don't want to marry.
The idea of "quality over quantity" parenting also has some flaws. For one thing, the intensive style of parenting popular in recent decades hasn't seemed to produce happier parents or more "quality" kids.
"Overly ambitious parenting" may even be contributing to rising levels of anxiety and depression in young people, suggests Carney. One 2023 paper in The Journal of Pediatrics concluded that "a primary cause of the rise in mental disorders is a decline over decades in opportunities for children and teens to play, roam, and engage in other activities independent of direct oversight and control by adults." A 2016 Norwegian study found bigger households associated with better mental health outcomes in kids.
Besides, people still say they want more children than they are, on average, having. "Some of the shortfall can be explained by relationships, biology, and luck," writes Carney, but social factors are at play too, with many couples seeing "having a child, or another child, as simply too daunting." Of course, part of the discrepancy between average ideal and actual family sizes comes down to people changing their minds with age (there are myriad reasonable factors that may make a 20-year-old who wants four kids someday decide later that two is preferable, for instance). But this doesn't entirely excuse us from interrogating why people change their minds.
The idea that more money could solve these issues is also suspect. "Ultimately, the data shows there's only so much government and money can do," Carney concludes.
Backing up his theory that culture, not financial costs, are impeding birth rates, he notes that baby busts in the 1920s and the 2000s "started in the upper class and then spread to the middle class, and then to the poor. Trickling down from the upper class to the middle class and below is a feature not of economic need, but of cultural trends."
Research from Kearney and her colleagues also challenges the idea that financial factors have been the main driver of America's drop in births. The source of the trend, she argues, "is likely something more fundamental—a set of shifts in priorities and experiences across successive cohorts of young adults, as opposed to any readily identifiable economic or policy factor that discretely changed in the past 15 years."
Not the Best of Times—but Not the Worst of Times Either
Here's another story you can tell about the American family: There was no pinnacle. Every era has had its charms and its drawbacks. The present is neither the best of times nor the worst of times for family life.
A majority of adults still get married. When they do, they enter an institution that is more egalitarian, more inclusive, and more stable than it was 50 years ago. Perhaps as a result, today's marriages are less likely to result in divorce than they have been for decades. But many people who would like to marry are having trouble realizing that goal.
Married or single, parents are putting in more hours with their children than their parents' or grandparents' generation did. Some of this is surely unnecessary "helicopter parenting," but it also reflects that people like spending time with their kids and have the leisure time to do so.
Today's families face high home prices and less community-oriented neighborhoods. But they also have access to safer cars, budget travel, cheaper and more varied food, more entertainment options, and a standard of living of which similarly situated families a few generations ago could only have dreamed. Today's moms face plenty of unusual, perhaps impossible expectations—but they are also more likely to say they're happy than in decades past.
Overall, our society is a lot more tolerant of lifestyle pluralism. The relatively rare folks who want five or 10 children can still make it work, as Hannah's Children demonstrates.
People who opt out of marriage and/or children altogether won't be socially shunned. A big part of the drop in fertility rates comes from a big drop in births to teen moms. But American women still face both high levels of unintended pregnancies and high levels of infertility.
The American family is all right, but it could be better. The path to improvement runs through individuals, families, churches, schools, workplaces, and communities. Most of what we need isn't about policy at all, but about us—our choices, our mindsets, our tradeoffs.
For parents, this will often mean trying their best to do less: less worrying, less hovering, less micromanaging kids' schedules, and less judging other parents for not buying into an ethos of constant fear or excessive enrichment. At other times, parents will also need to do more—to promote fellowship and free-range play in their own communities, to encourage and support new or prospective parents, to help show today's young people that parents can live full lives. Even fuller lives.
For authorities, this means getting out of the way: deregulating the suburbs, allowing families more control over their children's educations, ending the petty investigations of parents who let their kids play at parks alone. It means local leaders thinking about neighborhoods, schools, and community activities with an eye toward walkability and sociability. It means businesses voluntarily doing more to support parents, like offering greater flexibility and better leave policies—not out of a spirit of sacrifice, but to retain talented people or attract workers in the first place.
For the chattering classes, it might mean taking these issues seriously. Authors of books like these are often met with vitriol when they raise alarm bells, as if they want to force all women to be old-school, stay-at-home tradwives or make people stay in miserable marriages. But the questions they're asking get at the heart of happiness, inequality, the future of humanity, and other weighty issues, and—as all of these writers make clear—there are ways to look at these questions that don't rely on ultra-conservative conceptions of family.
These sorts of small-scale, independently driven, community-centric changes aren't as appealingly grandiose as top-down collectivist schemes. They're not as politically advantageous as handing people stacks of cash. They're not as emotionally satisfying as simply blaming the other side. They're DIY solutions.
Even if these shifts come to pass, they might not produce a big marriage or baby boom. But they could make life a little better for the parents and children of today, helping to ease the panic that many Americans clearly feel. That's a good goal in its own right. The prospective parents of the future, those for whom the question of family formation isn't settled, might just look around and think: This is a world worth joining—and continuing.
This article originally appeared in print under the headline "Families Need a Vibe Shift."
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OK, if this isn’t a serious economic discussion then this article is in serious need of a biologist and Elizabeth “Sonograms detect electrical currents” Nolan Brown isn’t going to cut it.
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An ENB article that oldly fails to mention abortion.
If you read that and came away with making abortion illegal is the answer, you didn't read carefully enough.
And yes, debt was mentioned, just not using the word "debt." Look up "housing."
Did you skim it for "perfect incel future where women are trapped in unhappy marriages to horrible people while raising their kids?"
Take a deep breath, relax. It's just wry commentary on ENB's favorite subject which seems to permeate almost everything she writes.
Come to think of it, you must be fixated on the subject too, to take such umbrage at an inevitable joke.
Odds that "shawn-dude" is a sock run by ENB?
ENB’s favorite subject which seems to permeate almost everything she writes.
I can't see what's behind the gray box. Are we talking about abortion or a thinly-veiled hatred of men and/or insanely detached egomaniacal feminism that would match, if not far outstrip, the most insane caricature of their male chauvinist "opposition"?
“The family panic is driven by a narrative of decline and disarray. But there is another way to view shifts in family formation—one where much of what is happening is actually good news. Americans today are marrying and procreating, or not, on their own terms. This, in turn, is leading to happier relationships, happier families, and more fulfilling lives all around.”
The current state of our cuture does not indicate that people in general are living “fulfilling lives”. If fertility rates continue to be below replacement levels, it will mean our current culture is an evolutionary dead end, and is unsustainable in the long run. The ideas motivating it are not survival traits, which may be the most damning indictment of the ideology of social liberalism.
At a point where debt has never been higher and it's increasingly obvious, at a rate unparalleled in history, that we're offloading our debt onto our children, that the government can snap it's fingers and shut down everything globally for "two weeks"; ENB and Reason choose to (continue to) go with the "It's actually a good thing! Americans are living on their own terms!" Even without any catastrophically falling birth rates narrative, the premise is retarded(ly obvious propaganda).
At this point, ENB just endlessly republishing the DNC platform would be more honest, straightforward, and actually informative than her "journalism".
We're a nation of immigrants. Always have been. Birth rates aren't the only source for population growth. Also, declining birth rates when a population reaches a certain maximum sustainable point is a common enough paradigm in nature that it itself might be a "survival trait" that applies to humans.
And it's hard to untangle some of the "birth rate" hyperventilation from the subtext of "not enough white babies" we see in some portion of the population.
Discouraging population replacement by birthrates for Malthusian reasons while simultaneously supporting population growth through large scale immigration is an insane attitude.
Huh... no one said "large scale" but you. Looks like a strawman.
The limitations on immigration that ENB and the rest of the staff of Reason find acceptable are...what?
Great Replacement Theory: Nazi MAGA conspiracy.
Demography is Destiny: Noble DNC aspiration.
We’re a nation of immigrants. Always have been. Birth rates aren’t the only source for population growth.
Just import babies!
Um, from where?
The implied accusation of racism is just so tired and boring.
"We’re a nation of immigrants. Always have been. Birth rates aren’t the only source for population growth."
Mass migration leads to a cultural change that, in many ways, is antithetical to your society. Bringing in a bunch of third world "refugees" will do little" than make your country a third world shithole.
"Also, declining birth rates when a population reaches a certain maximum sustainable point is a common enough paradigm in nature that it itself might be a “survival trait” that applies to humans."
The developed world is terribly underpopulated. The undeveloped world is the opposite. It does nobody any favors for the developed world to de-populate itself out of existence.
Seems to me that one of the biggest ignored problems of modern society is postponing adulthood with school. Legally requiring kids to stay in school until 18, making it almost immoral to not stay in school for another four years, and all to get a degree that is a negative asset -- then spending years in debt and hoping Uncle Joe will transfer your debt to taxpayers -- that's no way to start life.
There's way too much classwork for kids. Almost nothing in school was worth beans after taking the tests, other than reading, writing, and arithmetic. Algebra? Trig? History? English Lit? What they teach is pablum and wrong and useless.
Let kids start working half time at 16, for instance, so they can get some idea of what work actually involves, with taxes taking so much, the paperwork, bosses and co-workers and a public depending on jobs getting done right and on time.
On a different note, someone on substack had a funny/not funny take on child seats. I did not realize they are now required for kids less than 40 pounds and 8 years old or some such rot, and he pointed out that child seats are so bulky nowadays that you can't get three in the back seats, so if you want three kids, better have the first and last more than 8 years apart, or get a three-row minivan or SUV, and then good luck with every shopping trip.
As usual, whatever government does is wrong and incompetent. Get the government out of our lives and people will sort it out on their own.
And much of the political class hates vehicles that are large enough to accommodate multiple children with the mandated safety equipment.
Yep, it's government from top to bottom, the inside to the outside.
How much effect this actually has on family size, I do not know, but it's probably pretty small since the average is less than 2.
On a different note, someone on substack had a funny/not funny take on child seats. I did not realize they are now required for kids less than 40 pounds and 8 years old or some such rot, and he pointed out that child seats are so bulky nowadays that you can’t get three in the back seats, so if you want three kids, better have the first and last more than 8 years apart, or get a three-row minivan or SUV, and then good luck with every shopping trip.
This sort of chilling nuisance continues onward, outward, and upward. In IL, I can't leave anyone under the age of 14 home alone. My licensed, 16 yr. old, cannot drive more than one of his friends anywhere. He and his girlfriend babysit her neighbor's kid (see point about anyone under the age of 14 home alone above). If the kid wants to go to the pool they have to walk because, despite two fully-licensed drivers, they are only allowed one non-familial passenger. She can't drive my oldest and any of his siblings anywhere together. Technically, when he drove his girlfriend to and from prom, they were breaking curfew.
"and all to get a degree that is a negative asset "
This is propaganda. Even people who get liberal arts degrees generally have higher incomes by mid-career than those that get no college degree. And while there are plenty of scare stories about morons going to ivy league schools to get degrees that don't pay well in early career, most of America's teens go to state schools that are tax-subsidized and the costs are dramatically lower. The University of California, for residents, is roughly $16K per year tuition. Cal State is less than half that. University of Texas roughly $13K/year. University of Florida is $6K. The national average for in-state public tuition is $11.5K. Harvard is $57K. If you're worried about debt, don't go to Harvard.
If you want to see more educated families having kids earlier, let's see more stay-at-home dads while mom brings in the bacon. Maybe mom is smarter and has better income.
Oh, stuff your woke excuses. Degrees in gender fluidentity studies enrich no one but marginal professors and the bloated bureaucracies which support them. They derich the recipients, who wasted four years borrowing money instead of earning it, and giving politicians another excuse to shift that debt to taxpayers.
Go stuff yourself.
That's why Biden is forgiving student loan debt, because all those college degreed adults were having such an easy time paying off their loans with their generally higher income.
Or because the cost of housing has gotten so high even generally higher incomes are insufficient. Or we've encouraged people to spend money on things they don't need and they're making poor financial choices. Or some states back in the early 2000s reduced college subsidies for their residents thus increasing the cost of education for some.
The average public university student borrows $32,637 to get a bachelor's degree. That's the price of a fairly cheap new car or a year's wage at $15/hr (pre-tax).
All your arguments apply equally to non-grads. So why do the grads need loan forgiveness if their college educations put them in a much better financial situation than non-grads?
People more likely to go to college are also more likely to come from middle- to upper-class backgrounds, with all the advantages that entails. Saying that liberal arts degrees increase salaries down the line is confusing correlation with causation.
"Or because the cost of housing has gotten so high even generally higher incomes are insufficient. Or we’ve encouraged people to spend money on things they don’t need and they’re making poor financial choices. Or some states back in the early 2000s reduced college subsidies for their residents thus increasing the cost of education for some.
The average public university student borrows $32,637 to get a bachelor’s degree. That’s the price of a fairly cheap new car or a year’s wage at $15/hr (pre-tax)."
This has, exactly, what to do with people who did NOT put themselves in student loan debt being forced to pay for the idiots who did who will ALSO be paid more than them?
"Even people who get liberal arts degrees generally have higher incomes by mid-career than those that get no college degree."
Then why the fuck is it so necessary for people with no college degrees to bail those mother fuckers out?
Why should those people be forced to pay for the loans that will grant those pretentious fucks a higher income?
It is the single most regressive policy income-wise I've ever seen.
"If you want to see more educated families having kids earlier, let’s see more stay-at-home dads while mom brings in the bacon. Maybe mom is smarter and has better income."
Sure, just change innate human biology.
The state can do it all.
It's not just postponing adulthood with school. The essence of modern liberalism is a care-free, sad-free life of perpetual childhood, nurtured (and sometimes chastised) by the nanny state.
Grown-up responsibilities, including parenthood, are too disruptive for happy living.
Endless population growth is not only physically impossible, not only leads to scarcity of resources, but it’s simply not necessary.
US population at the end of WWII was only 140 million, less than half of what we have today. And yet we were at the pinnacle of our strength, and the world’s only superpower. We don’t need to keep growing the population. We don’t even have enough fresh water to support the human population in much of the US right now.
Then the inevitable question – what about social security?? Good question – if you are depending on population growth to prop up the pension system, then you are admitting your pension system is a ponzi scheme and needs to change.
We are not talking about “growing the population”, we are currently in population decline through birthrate. The only reason the US population is growing is through mass immigation by legal and illegal means.
That's a distinction without a difference. People are panicking because our population might *gasp* actually go down a bit. Reason wants us to panic so that it will convince us to open the borders and replace the current US population.
Reason's staff are generally taking the position that the US is short on human capital. They are ambivalent, at best, on the population of citizens creating such capital through biological means but admanent on acquiring human captial through large scale, if not unlimited, immigration.
And yes, that is a distinction. Population maintenance through birth means a continuation of culture. Population growth through immigration means, potentially, a replacement of culture, especially if cultural integration is disparaged.
And yes, that is a distinction.
Whether he’s fucking the goat performatively or out of true love, the dude is playing full retard.
The population at the end of WWII would’ve never gone to space or invented the PC or GMO crops or IVF. And that is to say nothing about defeating the Soviets or competing with China's ascendance.
There is a very valid contention that any given technology isn’t beneficial and/or that the population *growth* at any given rate above zero isn’t specifically required, but the idea that humanity will be just fine with fewer or dramatically fewer people is, especially under the current conditions, just shy of tossing people in the volcano in hopes of appeasing the gods.
Endless population growth is...simply not necessary.
It is when your state-mandated retirement and old-age healthcare plans are pay-as-you-go pyramid schemes that make Bernie Madoff look like an amateur.
Meh... not really. I get what you're saying but a tax-funded retirement scheme like most of the British Commonwealth countries have isn't that different and our system could be easily adapted to it. For example, just removing the social security tax cap would fully fund the program.
But if you want gramma and grampa living with you until they die, taking away social security will certainly do that and they can be forced to watch your kids. So win-win?!
Yeah, right. Go on, ignore economic reality with a lot of hand waving. Sit back and enjoy a retirement paid by inflation which doesn't actually increase productivity.
The British are facing the same sort of issues with geriatric welfare programs because there afre not enough producers in their society to adequately support all the pensioners.
Endless population growth is not only physically impossible, not only leads to scarcity of resources, but it’s simply not necessary.
You don't have to convince me that there is no peak retard and the best honest, thinking, rational people can do is reproduce intelligently in hopes of competing.
The system isn't knowingly bounded. Scarcity happens and will happen anyway, overpopulation is, in fact, one way of dealing with it. And only a massively retarded but desperately power hungry egomaniac would declare himself arbiter of what is needed or necessary for all of humanity.
Then the inevitable question – what about social security?? Good question – if you are depending on population growth to prop up the pension system, then you are admitting your pension system is a ponzi scheme and needs to change.
Does anyone deny this any more? I mean, yeah, back in the 90s I remember debating with people about government pensions and retirement systems where they claimed it wasn’t a ponzi scheme. Now everyone seems to just admit it. We’ve at least gone from the “It’s not happening phase” to the “It’s happening, and I never denied it so let’s find a solution” phase. You kind of like COVID vaccines not being safe and effective.
The ACA was literally explicit about needing more younger, healthier people to contribute in order to offset the costs of older, sicker people. Openly stated by design. They were literally going through all the actuarial handwaving about "bins" and getting more people in on the lower tiers. Gruber even said that they had to lie about it in order to get it to pass. It was a con so bad that you almost had to wonder, after they pulled it off, what more grandiose, Bigger Broker "Better" con they were going to try and pull off next.
From the article,
“…right-of-center…” Seems like many on the right want to commit political suicide. Last I remember, it’s the lower-population-density areas that vote right and higher-population-density areas that vote left. Land area is not incressing; so higher population means higher population density, hence more left-wing voting.
The nation needs more Chads and fewer Karens. Until then, Netflix viewership will remain high.
But wouldn't Netflix and chill lead to more babies?
Nah, just more PP revenue.
Netflix viewership is directly related to the amount of cellulite in thighs and inversely related to T levels.
Well, if you want to continue to screw things up with unintended consequences, bring in the central planners. In the extreme, China gives us an example. The modern Chinese state first promoted population expansion, then a one child policy, and now are once again incentivizing women into having kids. But of course, our central planners are better and more educated...
Government regulation (i.e. restrictive zoning which has driven up housing costs) and unreasonable social norms regarding parenting (i.e. helicopter parenting expectations) are principle reasons.
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I'd quibble with "restrictive zoning" ... If you believe the walkability point described in the OP, zoning (which is restrictive by nature) is necessary. You cannot allow wide suburbs nor heavy industry to mix with neighborhoods meant for kids. So no single-family, 1 acre lots and no allowing the type of industry that puts big vehicles on the roads or toxins in the air. Families need to be close enough to each other for kids to play together and safe enough to play in the streets. But I would agree that relaxed zoning that is more permissive of multi-family housing and neighborhood businesses is a good thing.
You quibble with everything not supportive of the State, because you are a statist, and independent thinkers scare the living daylights out of you.
Yes, we agree. Of course we need areas that exclude heavy industry etc... I would even go so far as to zone some areas as lower 'noise disturbance' - i.e. no large bars or entertainment venues allowed. Of course, we should ALLOW residential in these areas if someone wants to live above a bar.
The Japanese get it mostly right with zoning - from my understanding, they allow multi-family residential in most places, but have certain areas that exclude heavy industry, garbage dumps, etc... You are welcome to build a home in these areas if you want, but have fun living there or trying to sell it in the future.
The US takes a different approach in that we ban multi-family from many areas, and generally don't allow mixed use buildings, i.e. commercial ground floor, and residential above. This leads to supply shortages and thus high home prices, and forces people into cars, both family unfriendly.
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I agree that mix-used zoning is a good thing. In my city, it's very common. Also, our zoning prohibits single-family now and all the single-family lots that do exist are 25-30 feet wide max. It's tight but very walkable. Modern suburbs are actually pretty bad for kids, IMO, with their cul-de-sacs and curvy roads that form a maze to protect neighborhoods from pass-through traffic. That makes walkability very difficult. See pretty much any US neighborhood design since the 1980s for examples. The car-focused design is not conducive to walkability or getting families with kids close to each other and to services.
1) Eliminate no-fault divorce.
2) Eliminate abortion and contraception.
3) Eliminate social services eligibility for families with children born out of wedlock.
5) Eliminate EMTALA eligibility (and all other social services) for illegal aliens.
6) Dismantle the institutions that promote second- and third-wave feminism and LGBT/pedo ideology at a social/cultural level, eliminate all civil policies based upon them, deprogram its victims, and jail its leaders.
7) Take whatever large-scale economic reforms (which will largely be tax/regulation related) necessary to lower the cost of living and home ownership.
There. All those are intentionally frustrating the forming and developing of happy, healthy, prosperous families. Fix those, and you’ll bring the birth rates back up.
I was taking you seriously until you called LGBT people "pedo[s]" and and concluded that enslaving women to their husbands with more children than they could afford would create "happy, healthy, prosperous families..."
So this is either satire or dark incel fantasy.
When LGBT goals explicitly include "Minor Attracted People" rights, and the importance of drag queen reading lies in reading to children, then yes, pedo is spot-on.
Ever notice how it’s always Drag Queen Story Hour and never Drag Queen Beer Pong or Drag Queen Bowling Night?
When "LGBT goals" do "explicitly" include that, you let us know. Right now, this is just dumb, naked bigotry.
Drag pedagogy: The playful practice of queer imagination in early childhood
When this was pointed out to a BBC reporter, he took umbrage, saying it was "dangerous to point these facts out" because it might result in people thinking that the LGBTQI2MAP+ agenda might be telling us the truth.
To put on my kinder/gentler hat, homosexual people are not pedos. Probably almost none of them are. I strongly suspect that the rate of pedophilias in said population would be no higher than anywhere else. However, the LGBTQI2MAP+ as a political movement increasingly appears to be chockablock with pedos and other creeps pushing to 'alternative forms of kinship'. The Queer Agenda has nothing to do with gay normies. Nothing at all. In some ways, they are increasingly two opposing forces. Hence organizations like the LGB Alliance.
I strongly suspect that the rate of pedophilias in said population would be no higher than anywhere else.
Disagree. I would be inclined to agree that it’s not strictly or directly causal. I would add that any serious discussion would need to invoke some LGBTQIA taboos about distinctions between a person and their behavior. I’d further point to documented forms claimed, known, and documented forms of abuse, both generally acknowledged and not, that refute the “They’re all just the same as us.” notion.
None of which would be to say that we should be hunting down and electroschoking every last one of “them” into some conception of normality or even impugn lots of people who have and will do nothing wrong. Just that, like many other things in libertarianism, pragmatism, and objectivity just because we regard two things as similarly free or legal, does not mean we treat or value them equally and/or for all purposes.
I wouldn't be surprised if it were provably fractionally higher. If you said that it were an artifact of more complicated and less discriminatory sexual behavior simply accumulating more victims and/or attention proportionately, I wouldn't disagree with you.
"“It may be that DQSH is “family friendly,” in the sense that it is accessible and inviting to families with children, but it is less a sanitizing force than it is a preparatory introduction to alternate modes of kinship. Here, DQSH is “family friendly” in the sense of “family” as an old-school queer code to identify and connect with other queers on the street.”"
This is mixing two things up. There is an LGBT concept of "family of choice" which is shortened to "family" or "family friendly" in an LGBT context. And there is "family" and "family friendly" in the sense of safe/appropriate for children. Mixing the two could lead to inaccurate assumptions.
Drag Queen story hours are family friendly primarily in the sense of safe for children; that they also demystify LGBT culture through outreach is also a goal. "Family of Choice" is only a thing because LGBT children were often thrown out of their homes as teens and unwelcome in their birth families because of bigotry. "Alternate modes of kinship" are unnecessary if the original form of kinship remains welcoming. Drag queen story hours can reduce the need for finding alternative kin by helping families understand and welcome their LGBT children. Also, kids have fun and it encourages reading and associating libraries with entertainment. All good things.
Drag Queen story hours are family friendly primarily in the sense of safe for children; that they also demystify LGBT culture through outreach is also a goal.
You are literally describing a cult. That is literally the textbook way that cultists welcome, groom, force dependency/loyalty on the lost and confused. That’s what “alternate modes of kinship” IS. It's a predatory effort to insert yourself as their model, instead of ANYONE else.
LGBT children were often thrown out of their homes as teens
We’re not talking about teens. We’re talking about small children. None of them are being thrown out of their homes. They’re being taken, by their cultist parents, to be groomed into the cult. There’s no such THING as LGBT children. They don’t even have the slightest concept of it, unless it’s forcefully introduced to them and they’re indoctrinated with it.
Yes.
Any young child with a firm belief in their sexuality has been molested by somebody as young children have little concept of sex in the first place.
Why would you stop taking me seriously over that? The LGBT is largely comprised of pedophiles and/or pedophile-enablers, and the large focus of their efforts is targeting children. They don't even bother to hide this fact anymore.
And in no way did I say anything that could be remotely construed as "enslaving women to their husbands with more children than they could afford." Sounds to me like that's an incel fantasy that came straight from YOUR brain.
Okay, so it was the latter case, then. And your "I know you are but what am I" playground retort aligns with your lack of critical thinking.
Hint: No abortions or contraception would apply to married women who would have few means to control family size.
It's not a playground retort. You replied in no way to what I said. Instead, you came up with something completely out of left field - almost certainly borne of your prejudices and bigotry - and invented a "slavery to husbands" narrative that I could have never imagined on my own. Meaning, what you're doing is almost certainly projecting your own hatred, borne of your own incel fantasies, because you simply dislike but in NO WAY CAN REBUT the way to fix this society and its natality issues. Because you know I'm right about it. All of it. You just wish I wasn't. I didn't even mention husbands or wives or marital roles - YOU brought that in, because that's what's on YOUR brain. Because they're your incel fantasies pal, not mine.
And dude, don't be a moron. There's one real easy way to control family size. Been around as long as the very first humans. Apparently your two daddies never taught you how babies are made.
Well, maybe 1 and 7 but the rest are just wrong and not libertarian at all.
Social welfare and the taxes and government distribution of unearned services are libertarian? Having the State endorse a religious ideology based on social/sexual Marxism - literally to the point of waving its flag and jailing its heretics - while actively seeking retribution for anyone who defies it even slightly?
That's libertarian?
Eliminate abortions? Oh, I get it AT you want to bully girls don't you? Libtrans is going to be all over you like Oprah on a baked ham!
It has nothing to do with bullying girls. In fact, every single thing up there is about empowering women to be the very best and happiest that they can ever hope to become.
Oprah on a baked ham was the name of my garage band in high school.
Comstock was mine -Libtrans
But we told chicks they could have everything including the perfect non-intrusive relationship and family role. Feminism means never having to do anything you don't like, right?
Just a couple of observations. A century ago people were inclined to have more babies. Every one was another mouth to feed but the economic advantages were realised years later when there was someone to take over the family farm when mom and dad were too old to be productive. Social Security changed the paradigm when we all relied on government to support the elderly. People didn't need as many kids to take care of them and the kids no longer felt that obligation. The New Deal produced another set of incentives. Babies were transformed from a mouth to feed into a meal ticket for parents. I hung out with a lot of young black men back in the 70s and most of them boasted about the number of kids they had with multiple women. Their economic model was to live with one baby momma who was in the market for a boy toy until she kicked them out and then move in with another baby momma. The women always had another baby daddy to replace them with. I grew up in a two parent household and it's difficult to see these people as "parents" in the way that I understand the term. The 70s then brought the women's liberation
movement and we were all told that women couldn't possibly be fulfilled if they didn't have a JOB. With rampant inflation crushing the middle class those fulfilling occupations quickly became an economic necessity and in the world of the working class women simply couldn't manage a lot of pregnancies. The term housewife became a pejorative, not that most women even had that choice. Personally my biggest regret in life isn't that I didn't make enough money. It's that I didn't have enough kids. I got lucky that my only son got married young and gave me two grandkids even though I advised him to wait. I pity people my age that don't have that. Believe me I'm having more fun watching them grow up than any amount of money could produce.
You've entirely skipped over the industrial revolution. How, exactly, do you think we went from farm work, where kids were used as cheap labor, to something else that you don't describe but blame on social security? If the grandparents move onto the farm or not, that has no impact on the number of kids you'd have. You haven't made any logical connection to why the farmer didn't continue to have more children to work his farm?
Answer: because people could make more money doing less physical work which also meant women could participate more in that economy. And farms industrialized too which meant kids were less useful. No need to resort to racist tropes to explain why people have fewer kids.
Well my little soliloquy begins after the industrial revolution and are as stated these are personal observations mostly from my own lifetime. I'm not sure what racist trope you're referring to. I was a musician in the 70s through the 90s and mostly played with funk bands. Most of those musicians were young black men. They were great musicians and great friends. I have no doubt that the welfare culture is common amongst white people as well. I just don't have personal relationships with any of these people. I don't have an axe to grind here and I don't claim to know the answers. The rest of your comment makes no sense to me. Maybe LIBtrans can help.
Well my little soliloquy begins after the industrial revolution
That's a shame because I thought the earliest part was the most pointed part. I keep hearing "housing" thrown out in this discussion and it's almost laughable.
Back in the day, you had to actually carve your home out of the surrounding woodland... and beyond replacement reproduction occurred. A little later, you could make a name for yourself and, on your name, get most of the materials provided to you and, if you were lucky get someone to build it for you... and beyond replacement reproduction occurred. Later, supposedly about the time KKKONSERVATIVEZ started chaining barefoot pregnant women to stoves, you could order your house from a catalog and it was profitable for businesses to plunk cookie-cutter houses along tracts of land. Now, suspiciously post-Sexual Revolution, post-Civil Rights, post(?)-War On Poverty, it's impossible to afford a house because Jack and Diane don't want to live between a safe injection site and a homeless shelter and it's Jack and Diane's fault people aren't having babies. Somehow, this exceedingly modern NIMBYism has been generating a below-replacement birth rate since the mid-60s/late-70s.
Answer: because people could make more money doing less physical work which also meant women could participate more in that economy.
This is a grossly oversimplified view of woman, their participation in the economy and the consequences of the industrial revolution. I strongly, STRONGLY advise you take a look at a one Mary Harrington. She writes a regular column, the Reactionary Feminist substack.
She provides fascinating context to this a-historical idea that "women didn't contribute to the economy" in pre-industrial society. She points out that women contributed mightily to the pre-industrial economy which sounds radical when you first hear it, and then once you hear it seems so completely obvious that you're kicking yourself for not seeing earlier.
It was actual the industrial revolution that took women OUT of the economy, not the other way around. Once women were taken out of the economy because work had moved outside the home due to the rise of things like shift-based factory work, and technology had underwritten their freedom from doing manual labor in the home-- the women's movement kicked into high gear to get them BACK into the economy, not get them into the economy for the first time.
I strongly advise you listen to this podcast if you want an excellent summary of her thesis. Trigger warning: She's smart. Scary smart.
Bookmarked that. On a more primal level I would suggest that creating human beings is the greatest possible contribution to the economy, something that only a woman can do.
She talks on a wide-ranging list of subjects, motherhood, the sexual revolution and birth control are included in those. I believe the theme of her overall these is "progress" as we often define it hasn't been as great as we think it is.
She had me at "cyborg theocracy".
*lowers voice*
She strikes me as someone who was a LOT of fun in her younger years.
Ah, but the difference is that women had more choices in how they participated (which I simplified to "could participate more...)
Whether or not anyone feels that women were best trapped in a particular role or not is irrelevant if we start with the assumption that both men and women should be able to choose their own paths in life and not be trapped in living someone else's ideal.
And you're going to have to explain how women leaving the home to get jobs took them out of the economy. At best I could argue that it expanded their options and changed how some of them contributed. Working a job and getting a paycheck is participating in the economy.
Whether or not anyone feels that women were best trapped in a particular role or not is irrelevant if we start with the assumption that both men and women should be able to choose their own paths in life and not be trapped in living someone else’s ideal.
This is an entirely modern view of men's and women's roles, again, totally underwritten by technology. Men and women couldn't choose their own paths because the technology of the post-industrial revolution hadn't been created yet which allowed men and women to compete in areas like the board room or the legislative chamber. Prior to the industrial revolution, these weren't just "choices" that men and women were exercising (or failing to exercise) but were driven by biological reality.
In pre-industrial times, men, who are biologically stronger and more suited to dangers, back-breaking, work did that work, while women who bore children and literally COULDN'T be doing back breaking labor while carrying children in the womb did things like preparing the food, caring for the children who also helped in these domestic tasks while too young to do the back-breaking, dangerous work, made the clothes and generally kept the home. People have a very hard time wrapping their heads around sustenance farming and agrarian cultures.
And you’re going to have to explain how women leaving the home to get jobs took them out of the economy.
Leaving home to get jobs didn't take them out of the economy, technology and the shift to industrial shift work liberated them from the domestic tasks they previously HAD to do for the family to survive is what took them out of the economy. So to get back into the economy, they had to fight to be allowed to leave the home and enter the factories and eventually the office space. The cinematic 'bored housewife' of the 1950s is the platonic example of women being taken out of the economy: She's got washing machines, dryers, convection self-cleaning ovens, and probably a maid, while her husband, Don Draper drinks whiskey, smokes cigarettes and plays grabass with the boys at the office in his prestige job. This is the quintessential example of the women taken out of the economy because technology underwrote it.
What you're getting confused by is not the moment women started leaving the home to work in the factory or office, but the gap between the time when women couldn't leave the home because they were too busy contributing to the economy, to the time when they suddenly could leave the home, but weren't allowed to due to backwards social mores.
I really, REALLY suggest you listen to Mary Harrington. The only other person that's ever touched on this from a feminist perspective is probably Camille Paglia.
Ultimately, she rejects the oversimplified view of men and women where everyone was locked into backwards thinking for the entire history of human civilization when ALL OF A SUDDEN, in the 1960s, men finally said, "Okayyy, you can have some birth control... OKAYYYY, we'll start actually caring about you and be nicer to you..."
Like these concepts always existed, but men were just withholding them from their stepford wives.
I mean, for chrissakes, people don't realize that women couldn't even effectively control menstruation until something like the 1930s.
This is the last I'll say on this subject, but Harrington discusses the history of women's and men's equality in the industrial space. She points out that there were two distinct feminist movements of the early industrial period when women were entering the factory workforce for the first time. There was a working class movement which pushed for rules to protect women from the rigors of the industrial space, especially when they were pregnant and couldn't do as much heavy lifting, or... probably menstruating and wanted their own bathroom facilities-- and an elite clerical class of feminism which considered any special rules or carveouts for women to be "a disaster". She notes that the clerical feminist class "mysteriously" had the backing of wealthy male industrialists.
Former single Dad.
I raised two daughters from the ages of 3 and 5 to adulthood. They both graduated from college and are now supporting themselves. I love them a lot; however, schools and social workers are all quite hostile to single Dads...Divorce courts aren't much better.
If I could travel back in time, I would tell my younger self to never get married: The risk of divorce isn't worth it.
And for God's sake don't have children!
Congrats on you children's successes and your own in getting them there.
My mother was a single mom back when wives needed their husband's signature to get credit. It was tough, that's for sure. But in both my mother's case and yours, pointless social norms regarding gender roles made things harder than they needed to be.
Sorry to hear about your bitter experience but do you really think that you and the species would be better off without your daughters? Maybe you lost the battle but you won the war. Take the win.
The article was about why marriage and birth rates have dropped in the U.S...I was sharing the perspective of one person with a very dim view of either.
You want me to change my attitude...Stop making it so difficult for guys to raise their kids.
If we could just eliminate abortions without bullying girls, maybe we could get those birth rates back up some day, it's worth a shot.
No one has really explained why we need to get the birthrate up. This is just an assumption we're making based on current economic models that rely on continued growth to successfully build stock value. Maybe we'd be better off focusing more resources quality than quantity.
You have been goven an answer, you have merely rejected the answer without refuting it.
shawn_dude:
That is a very good question. The world will probably be just as happy if populated far fewer people than we have today.
Gov-Gun Female-ist 'entitlements' (i.e. Government Sexism).
Where it doesn't matter how horrid the slaver is; The slaver always has the Gov-Guns backing them up because they have a vagina.
Equality use to exist until the democratic 'Equality' gang came along and enacted sexist legislation. That applies to just about everything the left has been up to. Playing a compulsive victim to Gov-Gun entitle themselves at anyone else's expense.
What obstacles?
And why is it any concern of the government's?
Weren't we once a free people?
We should not even try to frame the baby bust as either good or bad. While there may be some justification for analyzing such trends, especially their causes or, at least, their antecedents, the phrase “it is what it is” comes to mind in this context. My own opinion is that wealthy people have a tendency to have fewer children out of selfishness if nothing else, although some of the data cited in the article seem to contradict that. Although I agree that that the government should not try to “correct” the trend for a number of very good reasons – not the least of which include “it won’t work” but it will “cost a lot in the process of failing; and government should not have the authority required to intervene in the first place – I disagree with the fundamental assumptions attributable to the kind of people who claim that we need to replace our current population or that a decline in population is a bad thing in the first place.
I would add that immigrant families have larger numbers of children and can well make up for the decline if we simple develop a sound immigration policy. The key to getting a sustainable population is not economic, but immigration and social changes.
You are suggesting outsourcing having children to other countries because Americans cannot be bothered. Your kind is impossible to parody.
This is what America has done through most of its history. The immigrants come in, settle and two generations down the line join the existing population that opposes immigration of the next group.
As someone born in the early 1960s..the norm for my friends was 3-4 kids..Dad worked as an engineer or other professional job at a stable company and mom if she worked it was after the kids started school and was more along the lines of a part time to sort of full time job (teacher, nurse, secretary). What changed? Easy divorce laws, the pill, and the push to have women work full time in a "career" which has led to divorces, obese kids (as Mom's don't have time to cook) and a ton of other social issues including anxiety ridden kids. We had a society based on traditional roles for 4K years and then decided it all was bs and had to be nuked. Not minor changes but the entire thing deepsixed.
Go back to traditional norms along with reducing federal taxes by 90% and reindustrializing American (stop the deficit spending, money printing and wars) and you again will have larger happy families. Women need to stop listening to cultural marxists from Eastern Europe who have been pushing this crap since the 1920s..
Or ... flee the cities, return to God, ignore the government, and fulfill your calling.