'Right to IVF Act' Would Mandate Insurance Coverage for IVF, Surrogacy, Egg Freezing, and More
It's the contraception mandate in reverse, with no exception for religious employers.

A trio of Democratic senators are introducing a "Right to IVF Act" that would, among other things, force private health insurance plans to cover assisted reproduction treatments such as in vitro fertilization (IVF), egg freezing, and gestational surrogacy.
The measure provides no exception or accommodations for religious objections, all but ensuring massive legal battles over the mandate should it pass.
The "sweeping legislative package" (as the senators describe it) combines several existing pieces of legislation, including the Access to Family Building Act and the Family Building Federal Employees Health Benefit Fairness Act sponsored by Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D–Ill.), the Veteran Families Health Services Act from Sen. Patty Murray (D–Wash.), and the Access to Infertility Treatment and Care Act from Sen. Cory Booker (D–N.J.).
Booker's contribution here is probably the most controversial. It requires coverage for assisted reproduction from any health care plan that covers obstetric services.
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A Reverse Contraception Mandate
Remember the Affordable Care Act's contraception mandate, which required private health insurance plans to cover birth control (allegedly) at no cost to plan participants? It spawned some big legal battles over the rights of religious employers and institutions not to offer staff health plans that included birth control coverage.
Booker's Access to Infertility Treatment and Care Act is a lot like the Obamacare contraception mandate, except instead of requiring health care plans to cover the costs of avoiding pregnancy it would require them to cover treatments to help people become pregnant.
The bill states that all group health plans or health insurance issuers offering group or individual health insurance must cover assisted reproduction and fertility preservation treatments if they cover any obstetric services. It defines assisted reproductive technology as "treatments or procedures that involve the handling of human egg, sperm, and embryo outside of the body with the intent of facilitating a pregnancy, including in vitro fertilization, egg, embryo, or sperm cryopreservation, egg or embryo donation, and gestational surrogacy."
Health insurance plans could only require participant cost-sharing (in the form of co-pays, deductibles, etc.) for such services to the same extent that they require cost-sharing for similar services.
What Could Go Wrong?
It seems like it should go without saying by now but there is no such thing as government-mandated healthcare savings. Authorities can order health care plans to cover IVF (or contraception or whatever) and cap point-of-service costs for plan participants, but health insurers will inevitably pass these costs on to consumers in other ways—leading to higher insurance premiums overall or other health care cost increases.
Yes, IVF and other fertility procedures are expensive. But a mandate like this could actually risk raising IVF costs.
When a lot of people are paying out of pocket for fertility treatments, medical professionals have an incentive to keep costs affordable in order to attract patients. If everyone's insurance covers IVF and patients needn't bother with comparing costs or weighing costs versus benefits, there's nothing to stop medical providers from raising prices greatly. We'll see the same cost inflation we've seen in other sectors of the U.S. healthcare marketplace—a situation that not only balloons health care spending generally (and gets passed on to consumers one way or another) but makes fertility treatments out of reach for people who don't have insurance that covers such treatments.
Raising costs isn't the only issue here, of course. There's the matter of more government intervention in private markets (something some of us are still wild-eyed enough to oppose!).
Offering employee health care plans that cover IVF could be a good selling point for recruiting potential employees or keeping existing employees happy. But there's no reason that every employer should have to do so, just because lawmakers want IVF to be more accessible.
It's unfair to employers—big or small, religious or non-religious—to say they all must take on the costs of offering health care plans that cover pricey fertility treatments. And Booker's bill contains no exceptions for small businesses or for entities with religious or ethical objections.
A lot of religious people are morally opposed to things like IVF and surrogacy. This measure would force religious employers to subsidize and tacitly condone these things if they wanted to offer employees health care plans with any obstetrics coverage at all.
As with any government intervention in free markets, there's the possibility that this fertility treatment mandate would distort incentives. IVF can certainly be an invaluable tool for folks experiencing infertility. But it's also very expensive and very taxing—emotionally and physically—for the women undergoing it, with far from universal success rates. The new mandate could encourage people who may not be good candidates for IVF to keep trying it, perhaps nudging them away from other options (like adoption) that might be better suited to their circumstances.
'Access' Vs. Whatever This Is
Since Roe v. Wade was overturned, many Americans have worried that the legal regime change would pave the way for outlawing things like contraception or IVF, too. Encoding into law (or legal precedent) the idea that fertilized eggs are people could have negative implications for these things, even if many conservative politicians pledge (and demonstrate) that IVF and birth control are safe. In response, some progressive politicians—perhaps genuinely concerned, perhaps sensing political opportunity (or why not both?)—have started talking a lot about the need to protect access to IVF across the country.
As much as I agree with this goal, I think IVF's legality is better off as a state-by-state matter. That said, the "protect IVF nationwide" impulse wouldn't be so bad if "protecting access" simply meant making sure that the procedure was legal.
But as we've seen again and again over the past couple decades, Democrats tend to define health care and medicine "access" differently.
The new Right to IVF Act would establish a national right to provide or receive assisted reproduction services. In their press release, the senators say this last bit would "pre-empt any state effort to limit such access and ensur[e] no hopeful parent—or their doctors—are punished for trying to start or grow a family." OK.
But that's not all it would do. The bill's text states that "an individual has a statutory right under this Act, including without prohibition or unreasonable limitation or interference (such as due to financial cost or detriment to the individual's health, including mental health), to—(A) access assisted reproductive technology; (B) continue or complete an ongoing assisted reproductive technology treatment or procedure pursuant to a written plan or agreement with a health care provider; and (C) retain all rights regarding the use or disposition of reproductive genetic materials, including gametes."
Note that bit about financial cost. It's kind of confusingly worded and it's unclear exactly what that would mean in practice. But it could give the government leeway to directly intervene if they think IVF is broadly unaffordable or to place more demands on individual health care facilities, providers, insurance plans, etc., to help cover the costs of IVF for people whom it would otherwise be financially out of reach.
This is the distilled essence of how Democrats go too far on issues like this. They're not content to say "People shouldn't be punished for utilizing/offering IVF" or that the practice shouldn't be illegal. They look at authoritarian or overreaching possibilities from the other side (like banning or criminalizing IVF) and respond with overreaching proposals of their own.
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Shit like this is why the empire is late
stageterm.Is there still time to abort?
Some think that the government should clothe us, school us, house us, provide healthcare for us, and fetus.
This is a miscarriage of justice.
In unrelated news, democrats puzzled by increasing costs of both healthcare and healthcare insurance.
This is not what insurance is for.
I'm the most pro-IVF person there is and this is batshit crazy. If an insurance plan wants to offer infertility coverage on their own, there's a free market for that. But why would you mandate something like that? It's crazy.
What ever happened to Riders. I think joint replacement should also have riders. People get one, see how amazing it is, and start to have multiple joints replaced. Kind of how they say its hard to stop plastic surgery once you have had one.
First, Joint Replacement frees people from pain and enables daily life.
Second, Joint Replacement is an order of magnitude cheaper than IVF. It also may have long term savings due to reduced pain management any issues caused by immobility that partially offsets the cost.
IVF is really expensive. It causes a lot of complications and often fails.
These aren't comparable in any way shape or form.
I’m the most pro-IVF person there is and this is batshit crazy.
Crazy, mental-diarrhea-addled member of a colony full of crazy, mental-diarrhea-addled moonbats complains of all the batshit craziness going on.
Also, I don't see how it's the "reverse" of what they say; rather, it's in addition.
Gestational surrogacy - the buying and selling of human beings. No way, no how should this ever be considered Medical care or a medical insurance covered expense. You want to sell your soul, do it on your own dime.
Is adoption buying and selling human beings?
The surrogate is selling a service, not their soul.
I agree it shouldn't be subsidized and that no market based insurance would cover it.
Is adoption buying and selling human beings?
People running adoption agencies get paid. People have to pay to adopt kids. What do you think?
Sure, adoption is pretty close to buying a baby. But I think most people agree that adoption is overall a good thing. And I'm not sure it's really best described as buying a baby since the person who gave birth to it can't generally just go and sell it to the highest bidder.
Maybe the question is: is buying and selling human beings always a bad thing in every situation? In any case, my point was that there isn't really much real difference between a surrogacy and an adoption.
There's a humongous amount of difference between gestational surrogacy and adoption: namely that the biological parents of the child end up with their own kid. There's no buying or selling of people at all. It's more akin to womb rental.
Adoption is taking in a child that already exists and is in need of a parent. Surrogacy is creating a child in someone else’s womb whom you intend to cut off as parent of said child.
One is dealing with the rottenness of the world that already exists and trying to make it a bit better for existing people who’ve been dealt a bad hand. Surrogacy creates new and fresh hells by legally separating a child from a biological parent before the child even exists - in exchange for a price.
That’s a BIG difference.
Adoption is dangerously close to buying and selling a human being. That is why there are usually lots of oversight before people are permitted to adopt a child.
Surrogacy is not just used for women who cannot carry a baby to term. It is used so infertile couples - single sex - vain women - can purchase babies that they otherwise would not have. These babies may or may not be related to either person in the couples.
It literally is baby buying.
There we go:
Exactly what §230 was NOT intended to cover. It's people who don't want to see the spam and flame wars and obscenity that was used to justify §230. It's politically incorrect misinformation that the government and publishers (NOT platforms at this stage) don't want anyone to see.
Of course women have a right to seek out IVF. They do not have a right to force me to subsidize it with higher insurance premiums. And since I have employer provided insurance, not only will I pay more for the portion not provided, I'll pay more taxes on the part that is and future pay increases will be reduced. All because Democrats are once again taking up for people who can't accept the fact that biology isn't fair.
If authors don't want governments intervening in what books are in school libraries they need to start pressuring librarians, not legislators. Illustrations of men in full fetish regalia and detailed descriptions of oral sex are going to result in bad outcomes every time.
Why stop at IVF? I hear there are millions of oppressed people who want to be birthing parents and chest feeders, and have been cheated by colonialist MAGA biology. I say, let's make sure that we supply any and all artificial reproductive rights technology, even it it does not exist.
Don't worry, that's in the works...
As Dreher formulates it, the Law of Merited Impossibility holds: “That will never happen, and when it does, boy will you [homophobes, transphobes, racists, sexists, whatever] deserve it.”
I just want to get a full body MRI once/yr to look for stuff. Why can't the government require that to be payed for? It will surely bring down costs since we will find stuff earlier.
Because it doesn't bring down costs because it often leads to treating things that don't really need to be treated. Particularly for cancers, the treatment can often be worse than the disease.
That's not to say it shouldn't be allowed for people who want it. But it's not as simple as more diagnostics = better outcomes (and it's definitely not more diagnostics = lower costs).
that part was /sarc zeb.
Sorry I missed that. It's not to rare to find people who seriously say that.
If not MRIs specifically, preventative medicine under the FDA was absolutely and absolutely fallaciously sold as more than paying for itself.
A lot of people are opposed to many things government funds -- including superstitious bullshit involving chaplains, nonsense-based schools, etc.; military actions; abstinence-based education programs; and the like -- but they don't necessarily expect the snowflakey special treatment religious kooks seem to believe they are entitled to.
..abstinence-based education progra….
Why do you hate 100% fail safe methods?
Yes, IVF and other fertility procedures are expensive. But a mandate like this could actually risk raising IVF costs.
You do realize that this is not a concern for the people pushing this, right?
Let's just hope all the abortions and hormones didn't fry their reproductive systems. Then we'll have to guarantee the right to surrogacy too.
You do realize that this is not a concern for the people pushing this, right?
You do realize you're talking to ENB, right? She's pouncing because the Christian Nationalists are pouncing with IVF bans. Not that anyone has proposed any legislatively but, you know, it's those other people who are scared of the same imaginary boogeymen they were scared of when they were 11-15. Not the adults in the room.
Christian Nationalists like the Alabama legislature, which, almost immediately upon realizing that their abortion laws would impact IVF, passed new laws covering IVF?
NPR:
The Alabama State Legislature passed a bill Wednesday night granting civil and criminal immunity for in vitro fertilization service providers and receivers.
Republican Governor Kay Ivey signed the bill into law within an hour of it passing the Alabama Senate.
The legislation is designed to allow patients and clinics to immediately restart IVF treatments in Alabama, without fear of legal repercussions if embryos are damaged or destroyed during the medical procedure or related services like embryo storage and shipment.
Christian Nationalists like the Alabama legislature, which, almost immediately upon realizing that their abortion laws would impact IVF, passed new laws covering IVF?
Your sentence ends in a question mark. I'm unable to predict the actions and motivations of Christian Nationalist boogeymen that live in other people's heads, especially multiple people; only indirectly surmise their action, existence, or proxy.
If the inconsistent narrative about Christian Nationalists in the AL legislature, Christian Nationalists in the AL SCOTUS, Christian Nationalists in the AL electorate and conflicting mandates for and against abortion, the destruction of embryos, the loss of life related to B&E, and any Biblical mandates or policies written or unwritten, held or not by any of the varying Christian Nationalists factions that's on ENB, you, or both have to sort that out. I definitively can't sort it out for you.
That said, the AL law passed in 2019. IVF clinics didn't stop treatment until 2024 when the AL SCOTUS, not the legislature, ruled in a civil case. So, for 5 years, "almost immediately" as you describe it (in a distinctly 'two weeks' fashion) they continued to operate under the abortion law. They stopped until the legislature, somehow worried, that civil law might get translated into criminal law, and enshrined a right to IVF into law. Now, if you set aside the needlessly complicated "Christian Nationalist" narrative, it becomes obvious that there are people who believe that destroying embryos, even as part of a crime, shouldn't be criminal or murder, even to insane levels of proclaiming things like "sonograms detect electrical signals", that ENB is among them, and that they are the ones who overlap with enshrining IVF as a human right into insurance law. One might go so far as to coalesce them in an analogous, complimentary to the Christian Nationalists, Feminist pro-Abortion Death Cult (Feminist and pro-abortion because they will openly sacrifice women's reproduction and agency in support of abortion) but it's not required. People are insanely stupid and dishonest about the facts even without a formal cult or nationalist movement.
So, the question becomes, why would you also obfuscate the fact that the IVF clinics continued treatment under the abortion law except to push back against abortion and/or support the subsidizing IVF?
I'm not sure what you think I'm saying. Until the accident, for which some parents wanted standing to sue for wrongful death (vis-a-vis their fertilized eggs and/or frozen embryos) and the state Supreme Court's interpretation of the abortion laws, it seemed like no one considered that IVF might be impacted. The state Supreme's read the law as written and said "Yeah, we read what the legislature wrote and think it applies--as written--to this IVFD suit."
Which brought IVF to a screeching halt for a short while, from February 21 to March 7th, when the Legislature passed a new law and Gov. Kay Ivey, a Republican, signed the bill into law as expected minutes later. So that's like 2 weeks.
https://www.al.com/news/2024/03/5-things-to-know-about-alabamas-new-ivf-law-what-it-does-and-doesnt-do.html
Republican lawmakers sponsored both measures in a state where politics are dominated by Republicans.
And they had strong support from lawmakers. The House version moved ahead last week on a 94-6 vote and the Senate one was unanimous, 32-0.
Former President Donald Trump, who is seeking to return to the White House, said last week that he would “strongly support the availability of IVF.”
Nathaniel Ledbetter, Alabama’s House speaker said it was a priority: “Alabamians strongly believe in protecting the rights of the unborn, but the result of the State Supreme Court ruling denies many couples the opportunity to conceive, which is a direct contradiction.”
I'm not supporting forced payments for insurance for IVF. I'm just wondering if it's fair to characterize the IVF snafu in Alabama as a "Christian Nationalist" plot to prohibit IVF. The information doesn't seem to support that notion (notwithstanding a scant few loonies who may want to).
The picture tells the story. You can’t have chicks in charge.
The by line tells the story. If it's not oximoronically dishonest, anti-liberty, and anti-human it was ghost-written by an AI trained with the basal content of human text to avoid being that shit stupid.
All these old maids realize they didn't want to be old maids?
And they can still technically have a baby for 5-10 more years if they could only afford it?
But how?????
Keep your damn hands off my uterus? No wait! This decision is between a woman and her doctor? Hold up!
Why do you hate women?!?!?
Nailed it!!!!
That's what this is really about. Servicing post-wall feminists that were too maladjusted to tolerate a man long enough to get knocked up. It's literally all over social media promoting egg freezing on one hand, followed by a bunch of women crying that it's too expensive to keep going through round after round of treatment that's not working. With somebody else picking up the tab, there's no pressure to stop being a bitch and try being a more pleasant human being while you're young and fertile.
promoting egg freezing on one hand
My second favorite part about this is that, aside from the horrible hormone treatments by which these women are victimized by their own biology and choices, it is conceptually presented as though you’re just tossing some ingredients in the freezer so you can just cook them later when, in reality, the oven wasn’t exactly designed to be baking for 20-30 yrs. after the ingredients have gone bad either.
My first favorite part is that, quietly woven into that ignored narrative is the assumption that poor and younger women will just always be available to be Handmaids to carry and deliver the children their wombs can’t.
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Ctrl+F "Alabama": 0 results.
Fuck you ENB. *You* are the cause of this. The Alabama courts made the right decision for the wrong reason and because you so zealously loathe their reasoning and are such a stupid, morally adrift, panicky bitch, IVF has been converted into protected/mandated treatment.
You were so retardedly scared of even the shadow of A Handmaid's Tale you willingly walked into a situation where the state can compel you to pay for other women to harvest their eggs and get paid to serve as breeding chambers.
You were every inch the cheerleader for this well after it was obvious that it was going to get away from you and people told you so. This is on you as much as anyone.
The Alabama legislature fixed the glitch in seeming record time. Alabama's momentary limbo was helpfully illustrative of how laws may not always be clear enough, but it also showed very effectively that the fix for legislative error is legislative action. A mistake was corrected very quickly after it became apparent.
The abortion law passed in 2019. The wrongful death of a minor act passed in 1872. The IVF clinics didn't stop treating people until the AL SCOTUS ruled, based on the 1872 act, that an IVF clinic could be held civilly liable for failing to secure a woman's embryo's properly.
Once again, regardless of any sort of Christian Nationalist narrative or anything else, the question becomes why would you or anyone else conflate the destruction of embryos by a criminal committing B&E with the surgical procedure for IVF except to either enshrine the destruction of embryos into law or enshrine a right to IVF into law?
Yes, but the combination of those two things was not intentionally created to ban IVF. That was an unintended consequence, which existence was raised by the lawsuit. Until the suit, no one had combined the effects of those two laws in that way to mean that. The Legislature moved very quickly to fix that situation--the Legislature was not intentionally trying to ban IVF.
A million Octomoms on welfare sounds like the new Democrat rallying cry.
I have one qualm with your discussion here. You talk like there is some movement to ban IVF. That there is a proposal to do so. That there is even a whisper of GOP overreach blocking this. When there's not.
The Democrats aren't responding to GOP overreach. They are responding to fearmongering. They are responding to their own fantasy
I have one qualm with your discussion here. You talk like there is some movement to ban IVF. That there is a proposal to do so. That there is even a whisper of GOP overreach blocking this. When there’s not.
See my link (above).
She has to pretend the narrative is true, she's one of the progenitors.
Except that was that they were children for purposes of liability. We have always had multiple simultaneous interpretations. Violently causing a miscarriage was manslaughter, but the same woman could get an abortion. It's a contradiction but it's nothing new.
And the backlash on both sides of the aisle was instant and almost universal. There is no overreach from the right on this topic.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not arguing in favor of the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus. I’m just explaining why you get the feeling like she thinks someone is going to come down the chimney and deliver free IVF treatments to all the nice girls and leave lumps of coal for all the girls who got abortions.
I absolutely agree that we have and even should have "violence resulting in miscarriage as manslaughter w/ legal abortion w/ civil liability mixed in either way" simultaneously all the time, especially across state lines or even judicial districts. IMO, the only reason why you would oppose this is if you wanted to consolidate any/all of women’s reproductive rights, in any direction, under federal law.
I mean, hospitals kill people, like actual adult fully alive people, on accident all the time; to the tune of 100-400K people annually depending on things like "of or with". The idea that an ALSC ruling on a B&E was going to effectively ban IVF in the state and shutting down clinics was straight up panic-performative-political theater.
The Alabama Supreme Court DID ban it. And most Republicans in the US House of Representatives are sponsoring a bill that would ban it nationwide.
No, it didn't. The Alabama Supreme Court correctly interpreted that the abortion laws--as written by the legislature--banned certain IVF-related practices (esp. discarding fertilized eggs). And since Dodd said there is not an absolute right to abortion...
The Alabama legislature almost immediately fixed the problem with new legislation. There was never an intentional action to ban IVF.
Again even this is misrepresented. Unless allowing patients to access and discard other patient's embryos is intrinsic or routine part of IVF practice, the Alabama Supreme Court didn't interpret the anti-abortion law as banning IVF practices. The specific case took place while the IVF clinic was operating *after* the reversal of Roe v. Wade and well after the Wrongful Death of A Minor Act.
There was no intent by the legislature (especially not the 1872 legislature), but there was an effective ban on IVF. It was undertaken pre-emptively by UAB and several other medical centers based on the perceived intent of the ALSC ruling. It was done specifically to get the right enshrined into law.
Once again, again, you can come up with alternative hypothetical explanations and arbitrarily large, abstract constructs, and tip toe around inconvenient facts, but this is the most concise explanation that conforms to the facts.
Is there any conclusion to draw other than that Democrats intend to drive up health insurance costs expecting these increases to force more and more businesses to dump their employees on the exchanges?
Also, it’s too bad we can’t get to the Vice article. I like reading about Wokesters costing themselves their jobs.
Everything about this is backwards.
1) There is no "right" to IVF (or anything else that relies on someone to provide it to you - yes, that includes ALL of health care).
2) IVF isn't health care (and surrogacy especially isn't health care). These are vanity procedures, no different than a haircut or elective cosmetic surgery. You don't require it for your physical well-being, you just want it because you think it'd be nice.
3) Insurance isn't the place for any of this, and - just like when Last Black President did it - it underscores a gross misunderstanding of what insurance is, and for. Unexpected and catastrophic, people. Not routine, and certainly not elective care. It's why your auto insurance doesn't cover your oil changes or pay to have custom rims put on your car.
4) When something is "financially out of reach" - guess what, you don't get it. Period. Full stop. If you can't afford it, too bad. Your problem. Start looking for a charity. A private island is financially out of reach for me, but just because I really really want one, doesn't mean anyone should be responsible for its cost but me. The entitlement mentality, and the entitlement system that's been exploited by government ("when the people find they can vote themselves money..."), is the single biggest driving factor contributing to the ruin and fall of the United States of America.
This "trio of Democratic senators" needs to be stuffed in a crate and shipped to North Korea. On a Boeing jet.
Preposterous, and sadly par-for-the-course. As mentioned, the proposal will simply spike the cost of these services and, likely create an even greater cottage industry of "poors" to loan their uteri.
This is exactly why libertarians should feel closer to democrats than to republicans.
This is giving you the possibility to get an IVF, the freedom to have one, or not have one.
Republicans on the other hands, are taking freedoms away, making abortion illegal for all.
You know that IVF and abortion aren't the same thing, right?
Yes.
And i'll remind that republicans in Alabama managed to make IVF basically impossible.
The fact is that today, if you are for the freedoms of choices by the individuals, you will be better served by democrats than by republicans.
Republicans (and Democrats) do a lot of things to make certain activities basically impossible. They're usually (or, at least, are supposed to be) doing so at the behest of their local constituents in order to help build their regions up according to those local values.
If the good people of Alabama say they don't want IVF, then it is entirely reasonable and in keeping with our values, that IVF be made "basically impossible."
This is what it means to live in a society that values order and justice and self-governance. And if you're going to complain about freedoms and choices, well guess what - our Founders thought of that too, and you have 49 other States to choose from. Try California or New York or Illinois.
No, you are pointing fingers at the wrong group. The IVF clinics refused to accept responsibility for negligence when embryos are destroyed. The parents of the destroyed embryos wants to seek damages to punish the clinic for its reckless protocols.
The Ds saw this as a fund-raising bonanza because it is convoluted and confusing.
You mean libertarians should want to associate with people who want to *force* other people and private companies to pay for elective surgery?
Again, ENB can and does explicitly support this position in the case of abortion and does it to the insane degree of making proclamations like "sonograms detect electrical signals". The idea that she would specifically disregard the production of life to enshrine IVF and abortion as effectively the same procedure for discarding embryos, protected and funded under the law, is solidly within her wheelhouse if she hasn't explicitly said as much.
"Democrats tend to define health care and medicine "access" differently."
Democrats define a lot of words differently.
"I don't know what you mean by 'glory'," Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't- till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'"
"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument'," Alice objected.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean- neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master-that's all."
Just another example of feminist women trying to make men pay for the woman's mistakes. Be it $$ to pay for out of wedlock births to divorces b/c they just aren't feeling it any more, modern women seek to make others, mainly men, pay for all their mistakes'.
Damn it MEN! We have to take a stand and say NO MORE to modern feminism which is destroying society from within in.