Americans Aren't Nostalgic for the Past. They Are Nostalgic for Being 15.
There's nothing wrong with thinking the music from your teenage years was the best ever made, but please don't vote as if you'll bring that back.

Donald Trump's presidential campaign famously promises to "Make America Great Again." As a rule, no one should think too hard about the meaning of bumper sticker political slogans. But ever since Trump rolled it out nine years ago, his slogan has quietly asked some seemingly unanswerable questions: When was America great before? And when did that greatness vanish, thus necessitating its recovery?
The answer, it turns out, isn't a year. It's an age.
And that age is roughly when you were between 11 and 16 years old—regardless of when you were born. Across generations, Americans seem to believe that the best music, the best television, the top sporting events, and the strongest communities are the ones they experienced in their adolescence and early teen years. That's the conclusion drawn by the data crunchers at The Washington Post, who distilled some fascinating recent polling data from YouGov's survey of Americans' views about different decades.
"The good old days when America was 'great' aren't the 1950s," writes the Post's Andrew Van Dan. "They're whatever decade you were 11, your parents knew the correct answer to any question, and you'd never heard of war crimes tribunals, microplastics, or improvised explosive devices. Or when you were 15 and athletes and musicians still played hard and hadn't sold out."
The charts in the Post's analysis are striking: Across music, movies, fashion, and other social measures, Americans seem to believe that culture peaked roughly one to two decades after they were born and has declined since. The Post and YouGov polling data fits with what other researchers have found: that humans have the strongest sense of nostalgia for the culture we experienced between the ages of 17 and 23.
It's not difficult to deduce why. Those are our formative years, rich with new experiences and potential, in which most of us had few serious responsibilities and got to enjoy the safety of having others provide for our basic needs.
On its own, there is nothing wrong with having golden-tinged memories of those years. Do I still love a lot of music from the late 90s and early 2000s simply because I was born in 1987, even though I can admit that some of it is objectively pretty terrible? Damn right, I do.
But letting nostalgia get mixed up in politics is not a great idea, in part because it's obviously a false promise. Sorry, but no matter how hard you vote, you're never going to be 15 again.
Unfortunately, personal disillusionment is not the most serious problem created by nostalgia politics. As former Reason editor in chief Virginia Postrel explained in The Future and Its Enemies, many of the clashes that erupt in modern politics and culture are the result of a conflict between the forces of "stasis" and "dynamism." Her book remains a powerful argument in favor of letting messy markets work and embracing the improvements that will come from an unknown future—and I'm not just saying that because it came out in 1998.
It seems like nostalgia-influenced politics plays into the hands of the former group, which would prefer a world more strictly controlled, with less creativity and change. That shows up most obviously in Trump's slogan, of course, but also in many other policies pushed by both major parties these days: limiting immigration, restricting development, protecting domestic industries from foreign competition, and so on. It is unfortunately a quick jump from "I wish the world would be more like how I remember it when I was younger" to giving the state more power over your freedom and the freedom of others.
By all means, re-watch those old television shows for the hundredth time. Buy tickets to go see those washed-up rock stars on tour this summer. Just keep your sense of nostalgia out of the voting booth and the public square.
You'll never be 15 again, but please don't ruin the future for the people who aren't 15 yet.
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For some here, 15 might be too old.
I imprinted on the popular music that I heard age 9-13. Yet I made little effort to match songs with artists until my 20s.
I'm nostalgic for the National Lampoon.
It was the most outrageous, hilarious and politically incorrect humor periodical in this tortured world's history.
The world is a worse place without it.
Look at the greats who got their start at the National Lampoon. When Harvard was truly elite.
True dat. I had already left the Dallas for Canada, where I discovered National Lampoon--best thing since Mad Magazine. The LP had just formed but not competed, Tim Leary was on the lam, Jim Morrison was busted and Nixon was bragging that his sojers had bagged four bums at Kent State. Canada was like Woodstock Nation by comparison, only colder.
Learn something new every day would not have thought Hank had a True dat in his daily speak.
But it was meant to be parody, not an instruction manual.
When I was in middle school National Lampoon was the height of sarcasm and cleverness. My mom wouldn't let me have a subscription, but the newsstand next to the bus stop downtown carried it and the owner got such a kick out of watching this 13 year old kid get so obviously excited every time a new issue hit the stands. In a 7th grade English essay assignment entitled "My favorite writer is..." I mentioned my dream was to write for them, and argued that Doug Kenney was the voice of my generation, whether my generation was aware of it or not.
I got a D, and my teacher sent a note to my parents saying that while I had a gift for creative writing I was "dulling (my) wit by treating pornography as high art, and celebrating National Lampoon's irresponsible and misogynistic filth." She said it was wholly inappropriate for someone my age to be reading such depraved and sleazy trash. My mom was appalled and said if I brought another issue home she would ground me and burn the magazine. She actually went to the news stand and berated the owner for selling it to me.
The next day my dad told me when a new issue came out, and that he would pick it up for me, and that I "owed him one".
I still owe him.
The best part is that my teacher died from some aggressive kind of cancer a few years later. I win this round, Ms. Turbin, you bitter old, dead spinster bitch.
"The good old days when America was 'great' aren't the 1950s," writes the Post's Andrew Van Dan. "They're whatever decade you were 11, your parents knew the correct answer to any question, and you'd never heard of war crimes tribunals, microplastics, or improvised explosive devices. Or when you were 15 and athletes and musicians still played hard and hadn't sold out."
Or before a couple of decades of leftist destruction. I was well past 15 during the 90s but I'll take that back in a heartbeat. Remember when we weren't opening the border for terrorists and weren't surgically mutilating children? Remember when we could disagree with a Democrat without an angry mob trying to get us fired?
An artistic representation of an 11-15 yr. old from my personal "your parents knew the correct answer to any question, and you'd never heard of war crimes tribunals, microplastics, or improvised explosive devices. Or when you were 15 and athletes and musicians still played hard and hadn't sold out." era.
Isn't every 11-15 yr. old movie made in the last 60-70 yrs. about having an adventure or otherwise fun without their parents knowing anything? FFS, wasn't the 60s hiking 20 mi. to see a dead body, getting caught on a railroad overpass with a train coming, chasing Kiefer Sutherland off gunpoint you a stolen 1911 after he threatened your friend with a switchblade?
What fucking planet did the morons at WaPo live on that 11-15 wasn't the *exact* era that you learned that the your parents were lame. The rock stars they idolized were lame, the rock stars between your age and theirs that emulated their idols were lame...?
Under some examination, the article's reveals itself as a performative demonstration in self-retardation by Boehm and the writers at WaPo in order to try and undermine nostalgia, Trump, or both.
While kids in that age range might decide their parents are lame and such those lame parents are still paying all the bills. At that age range you have no responsibilities like paying a mortgage or even a phone bill. You don't have to deal with taxes and the government is some hazy mysterious thing that parents complain about.
Life is pretty good at that age. Even if the world outside is in utter chaos.
I still remember going to bed on Tuesday night before that Wednesday morning when we had to completely revamp the nation's bathroom policy and the English language, or we were literally genociding trans people.
Yeah, on that Tuesday night, I went to bed in the headspace of all the disagreements being about:
Marginal tax rates
Universal healthcare
Minimum wages
the proper amount of regulation
corporate taxes
Global warming (which became climate change).
What a difference just a few hours makes, eh?
I member!
What about people who didn't enjoy those years?
They turned into drunks.
Lol
Angry drunken pussies.
We don't pine for any "good old days". We realize, as Billy Joel said, "You know the good ole days weren't always good and tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems."
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tykJWCnb41A
I can't stop laughing!
Bad for eardrums.
They're whatever decade you were 11, your parents knew the correct answer to any question, and you'd never heard of war crimes tribunals, microplastics, or improvised explosive devices. Or when you were 15 and athletes and musicians still played hard and hadn't sold out.
^Tell me you were a nerdy 11-15 yr. old shut in without telling me you were a nerdy 11-15 yr. old shut in.
This really sounds like, "I reject your false notion of an idyllic 50s America and substitute my own false notion of an idyllic 11-15 yr. old kid." Even if we didn't call them IEDs by name, we sure as shit knew what IEDs were and, if our parents knew that we knew, they didn't ever let on.
The 50s seemed idyllic in America because we were the only major industrial power following WWII that hadn't been bombed and wasn't in debt up to their ears. In fact most of those nations in debt owed the US the money. The 50s being a time of wonder is pretty much an American mindset.
A nice suit and a firm handshake were all you needed to get a high paying job so the wife could afford to be a stay at home mother. Children had few responsibilities and the notion of childhood being a time of unburdened play was born, at least for urban families. When a kid wanted a job there was so much wealth spreading around businesses would hire kids to do jobs that didn't really need to be done more as a public service than filling a need.
So yeah, the 50s in America were fucking amazing. But we can't bring them back no matter how many laws we pass or eliminate. They were amazing because of the world situation. That situation cannot be repeated without another WWII happening. I doubt Europe will be willing to fight a world war just so we can have the 1950s back.
"A nice suit and a firm handshake were all you needed to get a high paying job"
And white skin.
"so the wife could afford to be a stay at home mother."
That's not what most women wanted to be, but they weren't consulted about it. After all, only men can make the right decisions.
Actually blacks were catching up to whites in the 50s. The economy was so booming that there were more jobs than there were white people so blacks were doing good. The Great Society of Johnson is what started to take back those gains.
What I don't get is why would someone want to leave a child in day care while going to a job to make the money to pay for the daycare? I did the stay at home dad thing for a while and I loved it.
People in the US were more frugal. There was not expectations of a 5 bedroom 5 bath home, two cars plus cars for the kids when they hit 16, cell phones for all, disposable household items and clothing. Families of six lived in a 1.5 story home and no one cared. I think people were honest, hardworking. Far and away most worked in factories, mines, and blue collar jobs, many farmed. They were not entitled White collar people, they scrimped and saved and provided for their families. The categoration of most Americans as entitled is false.
A lot of that frugality was becquse the gizmos and gadgets didn’t exist. There were no microwave ovens, crock pots, bamboo steamers, electric woks, ginsu knives, and the like.
I don’t remember when the washer and dryer came to be but I an fairly sure those weren’t common until the late 60s. My grandmother was still using a washtub and hand wringer when I was a kid in the 70s.
The 70s is when all those modern inconveniences were available. Then keeping up with the Joneses became the new thing to do.
Want the 50s back? There’s a lot of tech that needs to be undiscovered.
“The good old days when America was ‘great’ aren’t the 1950s,
No one can seriously make that claim about the 1950's – although it reeks of MAGA fiction.
The repressed culture of the 50s sucked in every way although a lot of great institutions were born in the 50s (Playboy, realism in film, standup comedy).
It was a great time to be a white male. Everyone else, not so much.
Actually blacks were doing pretty good in the 50s. It was the Great Society of the 60s that fucked many of them up.
Riiiiiiight. Things were just hunky dory for people like Emmet Till.
I won't try to explain this. Just get a copy of Black Rednecks and White Liberals by Thomas Sowell. He explains it better than I can typing on my phone.
You'll never be 15 again, but please don't ruin the future for the people who aren't 15 yet.
Says the guy writing for the magazine and party that advocates for chemical castration of minors. Did the super-serious clinical researchers at [scans article and sniggers] The Washington Post do your research for you and demonstrate that lots of trannies looking back on transitioning at 15 nostalgically?
Well, not everyone can be as accurate and factual as The Gateway Pundit and Breitbart. Which is a good thing, since they're both very loosely connected to reality.
They have a bias toward JudeoCristian values. So yeah. Not connected to reality.
Advocates? No. Accepts some parents might think that will help their child? Yes. Just because we don't want thousands of pages of new useless laws passed doesn't mean we advocate for it.
While I do fit the pattern here to some extent, at this point I'd be pretty happy with 10 years ago.
Boehm and the writers don't actually care if "your era" was better or not. They don't care if the era for the current 11-15 yr. olds is worse or not. They don't care if the current 70ish and 40ish yr. olds can look back and empirically see how things have gotten worse for their 11-15 yr. old Kids/Grandkids.
The point is that if they have to destroy nostalgia itself in order to defeat Trump, they'll do it.
Destroy nostalgia itself? They must be some powerful writers to do that. Wowzah!
What did you think the story was about?
Trump using nostalgia as a cheap trick to bait idiots like you into supporting him thinking he’ll bring back the comfort and security of their childhood.
You
Are
Such
A
Fucking
Idiot
Hurts my head bringing myself down to your level.
Back on mute you go, yasafi.
Trump using nostalgia as a cheap trick , therefore we must destroy nostalgia.
We all know that nobody is on mute.
Trump using nostalgia as a cheap trick to bait idiots like you into supporting him thinking he’ll bring back the comfort and security of their childhood.
It's not like he's the first. Walt Disney and Ronald Reagan used the exact same appeals to midwest Americana nostalgia, even though they'd settled in coastal loo-loo land California.
It works.
Nostalgia is not a good thing. Life goes by pretty fast. If your looking at the past you might miss something.
Just keep your sense of nostalgia out of the voting booth and the public square.
Go fuck yourself up the ass with a set of rusty hedge clippers Eric.
George Orwell, 1984
This makes me begin to think you’re the youtuber, Despot of Antrim.
I said, approvingly.
Don’t allow yesterday rob your today of tomorrow.
Wow. WaPo is at the end of its rope on excuse not to vote MAGA.
Less [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism] = Better. Does anyone really think FDR & [D]=trifecta 12-year Great Depression was making America Great Again? It was an UN-Constitutional Nazi invasion that has been putting sh*t-stains all over the American Dream ever since. Common; Socialist Security? An American Dream? And the [D] party has just continued to make BIGGER/BADDER “plans” that destroy the American Dream along those same lines ever since.
The party of slavery that just never went away.
(D) party loves slavery so much they eventually just decided they want almost EVERYONE to be a slave.
Exactly ... Deceptively hidden under the ?free?-stuff price-tag.
+1000000000000
I was born in 1954, and while there was some good TV in the 1960s, TV mostly stayed pretty bad until about 1995, which started a hot streak of about 20 years.
Music was mostly boring until I was well into my 20s, and continued to improve. Even the music from before then has gotten better the older I've gotten — except that the crap got even crappier.
When I was 10 to 15 I watched shows like The Dukes of Hazzard, The A Team, MacGyver and Knight Rider. I thought they were great. I try to watch them now and I realize my 15 year old self was a fucking idiot.
I had the same experience with Happy Days.
But Barney Miller & All In The Family, also 70s, hold up.
Never liked Barney Miller or All in the Family so I can't say about how they stood up. I get the Happy Days experience though. Fuck we had horrible taste back when it was just the three channels.
The [libertarian] version of freedom is that of the teenager. "Respect my privacy, stay out of my room and hey, when's dinner?"
Oh looky there. Trumpanzee MAGAts have new meme marching orders. This same moronic whining is popping up wherever goosesteppers are allowed to infiltrate and spew their trash. They must REALLY be worried about Oliver getting 4 million spoiler votes and shuffling electoral vote outcomes for 16 states. Cry baby cry!
Ron Greg Abbott DeSantis Bans Cannibalism!
Reason: You’ll never be 15 again, but please don’t ruin the future for the people who aren’t 15 yet.
Also Reason: Elementary Schools Ban Tag, Football, and Fun During Recess
The schadenfreudiest part about it is they aren’t a Kernie or Jimbo, grabbing kids by the wrists, making them smack themselves, and saying “Quit defending yourself! Quit defending yourself!” they’re the Dolph Starbeams who have to rely on larger goons at the WaPo to do their bullyi-er... reporting for them.
I've thought about a counter argument to your idiotic statement and realized, why bother.
Shove it up your ass sideways statist bastard.
But on a serious note, who's nostalgic for being 15? I'd just like Hollywood to return to the type of movies it made before 2015.
The only reason Boomers/Gen-Xers might be nostalgic for that age is because it's the last time in their life they had no real responsibility outside of school. Most got part-time jobs at the mall or in town somewhere around 16, if they didn't already have lawn-mowing, babysitting, dog-walking, or newspaper route jobs before then. After that, you're kind of scrambling to keep up with your peers and while parts of it are fun, that's pretty much when the grind really started.
Nobody is nostalgic for a time when they were constantly horny but never getting laid. (Those of you who *were* regularly getting laid at age 15 can STFU. Nobody wants to hear you.)
There are some good movies still coming out of Hollywood. While I suspect the ratio of stinkers to the worth your time movies is higher its not that much higher.
My wife goes on kicks where she digs up movies from the 80s and 90s. We get about 15 minutes in and realize it's a stinker. So there were plenty of bombs and a few good movies going all the way back to black and white movies.
The leftist push to pretend "things weren't better before, you were just a kid" has been passed from Jon Stewart to Reason apparently.
Pure gaslighting.
Go watch some movies from the 80s, 90s, even 00s.
Millions of times better than anything they're putting out today.
The Long March of mediocrity through all sectors has destroyed all quality control.
Talent and competence have been systematically shunned to promote obedience and identity activism.
This isn't natural decline- it's deliberate destruction.
Narrative pushed by AP
https://apnews.com/article/climate-change-movies-oscars-f7f58a6e24901651757b616dc4099c2c?utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter
To be fair, a lot of John Hughes's movies are overrated as fuck. Mainly just a bunch of wannabe Holden Caulfields, jock/prep caricatures, and smartass dorks jonesing after a thoroughly mediocre-looking Molly Ringwold, who's a 6, at best.
Vice Principal Vernon is the real hero of The Breakfast Club. The kids are just a bunch of dumb shitheads.
Yeah. Never got that Jake would dump his hottie girlfriend for Ringwald in 16 Candles. She was definitely Farmer Ted material at best.
And Vice Principal Vernon was also Clarence Beeks. The best "Fuck Off" in movie history.
Never got that Jake would dump his hottie girlfriend for Ringwald in 16 Candles. She was definitely Farmer Ted material at best.
Yeah, there was no way in hell that would ever happen, same with Andy McCarthy asking her out in Pretty in Pink.
"Vice Principal Vernon is the real hero of The Breakfast Club. The kids are just a bunch of dumb shitheads."
I think you missed a lot of what Breakfast Club is about.
If you look closely at all the Hughes films, they are all very self aware about the flaws of the protagonists.
Yeah, yeah, yeah...
And you walked to school uphill through the snow 2 miles each way...
and beating your kids is harmless because your dad beat the snot out of you daily and you turned out "just fine".
Pardon me whilst I remove myself from your lawn.
That's a good one.
Related:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/boston-democratic-mayor-says-criminals-should-prosecuted-theft-gang-registry-should-abolished?intcmp=tw_fnc
The Progressive Mass questionnaire then asked, "Do you believe that affiliation or sympathies with white supremacist organizations among officers is a problem with BPD? YES/ NO If so, what measures would you take as mayor to combat that issue?"
Wu responded, "Yes. I have advocated for terminating any [Boston Police Department] employees who were involved with the January 6th Capitol insurrection."
What if the cops are black/Asian/Hispanic?
And what if they were 'involved' rail-roading the protesters?
They're still terrible humans, but unless they climbed over the wreckage of smashed windows/doors and overturned barriers to enter the Capitol, they shouldn't lose their jobs for it regardless of their skin color.
They, more than most, know that rioting, trespassing, vandalism, assault on a police officer, and destruction of property arr illegal and therefore should never be trusted in a position of public trust again.
I believe Michelle Wu about as much as I believe Sam Brin for pretty much the same reason. The only reason one of them doesn't clearly pull away from the other is that if Wu said that her mother or father put a gun against her head and/or forced her into conversion therapy or whatever, her mother is too crazy and doesn't speak English well enough to set the record straight.
Virtually everything else is, "I grew up like Ketanji Brown Jackson, but life was harder for me than it was for Clarence Thomas".
Related:
https://x.com/DramaAlert/status/1795589451886010494?t=_XKxLWhVbE5enl9JCcJ5Cg&s=19
YOUTUBER BOOGIE SAYS N-WORD MULTIPLE TIMES ON STREAM… ‼️
Should he be canceled?
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“Reparations” already happened.
PPP loans were a multibillion dollar wealth transfer from whites to blacks. Despite obvious fraud, none of it was ever investigated, and nearly all of it was forgiven. Meanwhile, real businesses (owned by whites) had to pay back their loans.
At the same time, massive looting during the Floyd riots amounted to even more racialized wealth transfers.
On top of direct theft from white-owned businesses, the collective of white America paid (and is still paying) for it via insurance premiums and resulting price hikes.
Add in the fact that affirmative action because 100x more aggressive in and after 2020, and you’re looking at a potentially trillion-dollar payment to blacks.
That was “reparations.”
Unfathomable amounts of money taken from whites and given to blacks, for no reason.
Have race relations improved since 2020? Has the status of the “black community” improved? Has crime decreased?
No. But you’re a hell of a lot poorer.
That was the point. A giant, civilizational “fuck you” to white people. Everything else was (and still is) window-dressing.
I can't imagine listening to the same music that was popular when I was in high school and trashing everything that has come since. Yet I'm the oddball. To me it seems so arrogant and dismissive to just write off everything that happened after you reached a certain age.
I agree to a point, but there is music and musicians that have no comparison. Since I’m Gen X I’ll go with a few artists from the 80’s
Michael Jackson
Metallica
Prince
The Police
Whitney Houston
NWA
What comparison is there from the last decade? Taylor Swift?
Folks from older generations would say that music was garbage. You’re becoming your parents.
????
Seriously though? I’d highly recommend going to see Queens of the Stone Age. Great show. Muse puts on a theatrical extravaganza. Those bands are more 2000s than last decade. Saw Garbage last year. They’re 90s and still fucking awesome.
Got tickets for Sofi Tukker. They’re last decade.
Time will tell. I’m sure there’s some good ones.
I think about this when I walk through the grocery store and listen to the canned tunes. What were they playing ten years ago? What will they be playing ten years from now?
Right now they play what was popular when people 45-60 were paying attention. At least that's how I read it. What will they play when those people were young in 2000?
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Not turning into my parents, I listening to a lot of what my kids listen to, but even my kids say the music from 2000 to present will not stand the test of time like popular music of the 70's, 80's, and 90's. Taylor Swift will be the exception.
Time will tell.
ETA - I think Muse is awesome, but how many Gen Alphas will be playing "Uprising" 10 years from now?
What 80s hit wasn't a rip off of some true 60s talent? What true 60s talent wasn't a rip off of old blues?
Everything on TV is a rip off of Shakespear. Of couorse in his day he was writing stuff for the common man. Today he'd be writing sitcoms and reality TV.
All entertainment builds on what came before.
I’m into all kinds of bands. Last show I saw was CSS. Before that The Kills. Only commonality is that they started in the 2000s. Perhaps the article is saying I “came of age” in the 2000s, even though I nostalgically relate to your list? But I recently took my daughter to see Garbage (90s) and will be taking her to Sofi Tukker (2010s) this October.
Nobody cares.
Not turning into my parents, I listening to a lot of what my kids listen to, but even my kids say the music from 2000 to present will not stand the test of time like popular music of the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s. Taylor Swift will be the exception.
That’s mainly because Taylor Swift is probably the last musical performer (other than maybe Beyonce) who can still move millions of albums and sell millions of tickets on her name alone, as her appeal crosses generations in that parasocial cloud that’s been cultivated around her. The only other performer that can even pretend to that strata is Billie Eilish, and that’s mainly because Eilish is the epitome of Zoomer social contagions. Rock effectively died out after Dubya’s term, and post-Obama hip-hop is all the same Soundcloud sludge that’s more suited for memes than anything that’s going to leave a musical impact.
Music has always been something of a shared cultural experience, and it’s hard to do that in a society atomized by technology, where personal isolation is actively encouraged with every new smartphone release. The industry itself hasn’t really even been able to drive musical trends since the decline and fall of TRL and the rise of YouTube, when kids could find videos without having to set aside time to watch MTV. Swift’s current success is almost entirely self-made by her and her extremely savvy PR team, not by anything the industry’s done for her.
You better put Privilege in your name. Never saw a bad show at Red Rocks. Fuck. I'm stuck on the east coast and all my faves play there. I hope you enjoy it you bastard.
Heh, I’ve actually only seen one show there–George Thorogood and Brian Setzer in 1988. I enjoy it a lot more without all the crowds. I never had the money to go to many concerts like my other Gen-X friends did in the late 80s-late 90s (I think I went to maybe 3 or 4 all through high school and early adulthood), and by the time I did have enough disposable income for that kind of indulgence, I just didn’t give a shit anymore. I won't even go see "classic rock" tours like what Def Leppard does, just because it would be kind of depressing seeing a bunch of other middle-aged farts trying to relive their childhood.
I saw a lot of shows in the 80's and 90's but like you, I will not pay money for the washouts playing in the res casinos.
Usually appreciate your takes red, but Def Leppard (along with Motley Crue) are the 2 worst “rock” bands of all time. Throw kiss in there as well and make it 3.
And U2 is the most colossally overrated band ever.
I've never seen a show at Red Rocks, but I've done time in The Gorge. Awesome venue.
Do it. It’s worth it. The venue itself is so amazing that the people performing feel like they have to to a better job. If an act you like is performing there, go for a ride.
I saw Weird Al Yankovich openng for the Monkeys at Red Rocks. Fun time. I also saw Weird Al at the Buffallo Chip. Turns out Bikers like Polka.
My first "real" rock concert was Ozzy at Red Rocks promoting No More Tears. No More Tours tour they called it.
Hasn't stopped touring since.
Shaaaaarrrrrooooonnn!
I dont like crowds. There are few artists who will get me out to a concert. I vaguely recall seeing the Grateful Dead in Denver I think... Weird Al the two times... no others come to mind.
I remember that one. A shit ton of kids from high school went to see that and the Queensryche concert the same school year.
Imagine the people who reject the ideas of people they don’t like, no matter what.
I listened to pretty crap music in high school, junior high was a fucking joke--who were these lobotomized people who were allegedly polled for this?
I can much more easily buy the "peak at age 20" studies (which this poll contradicts). I still listen to tunes from that era, all mixed in with the best of the subsequent eras. But pop music was crap then and is crap now.
Oddly enough my son, who is now 22, listens to all the music I listened to when I was in high school. Not beause I introduced him to it, he would come to me and say "have you ever heard of Twisted Sister"? I'd reply, "I had a life sized poster of Dee Snyder in my room." Then he'd ask about a dozen other Hair Bands, all of which I listened to all the time.
With no effort on my part he has fallen for what a lot of people call "Dad Rock". He simply doesn't like the music of his generation. He's kinda weird about computer aided art. He doesnt like a lot of CGI or Autotune. It has to be used sparingly or else he doesn't want anything to do with it.
I knew a guy when I delivered newspapers who had a Masters Degree in Music Theory who was working in the mail room. Yes, insert standard joke here. He argued that anything made after 2000 isn't music. He's got the education to make that more than an opinion.
Stranded in the sixties, don't you know
Stranded in the sixties, no place to go
Stranded in the sixties, don't you know
Well I'm too young to die and too old to rock and roll!
Uranium Savages, Trust Us, Recorded live at Soap Creek Saloon, banned and burned by the government because it made fun of Houston Police Department murderers killing latino war vet and hiding behind immunity.
We knew that you were stranded in some long ago decade hank, but thought it might be the 19 aughts.
Comstock!
Aside from terrible pop up ads on the web, the mid aughts were pretty good.
Lots of great games came out.
90% now are overpriced nickel and dimers.
Aside from terrible pop up ads on the web, the mid aughts were pretty good.
The mid-aughts were the peak of the internet experience. The release of the iPhone effectively destroyed that by giving normies the means to access it anytime, anywhere.
https://x.com/FischerKing64/status/1795909216601072049?t=RXiYMoCgdBaKHeX8vbsfcQ&s=19
Men - particularly white men - are being weeded out at every level. The demographic that built the modern world is being hobbled.
Consider that universities, when they were small outfits reserved for the elite, could find the West Virginia math genius John Nash, cultivate him at Carnegie-Melon and Princeton, then send him to MIT to do research resulting in a Nobel Prize. Now an eccentric boy like him is probably drugged by some angry woman in elementary school. If he makes it through that experience, he’s trashed for his whiteness for years, and then rejected probably at all top schools. Then his credentials don’t get him the interviews he would need at top corporations, banks, law firms, consulting firms, etc. And if does manage the interview, he might not get hired anyway because of diversity quotas. And if he even gets through that, he will be subjected to diversity training, and possibly hobbled in promotion. The only white guys who get through all this are connected, wealthy. The John Nash type - very unlikely he’s even recognized.
This is what American society is doing to itself in real time.
I'm not nostalgic for when I was 15, I'm nostalgic for 2019. When do I get that back? Hack work.
bro I see you in my line of To Whom for Voting Advice? but you're about 200,000 deep.
You'll never be 15 again, but please don't ruin the future for the people who aren't 15 yet.
Too late.
Don’t be so harsh.. They will all get the opportunity to transition.
As a scumbag who supports preventative murder, you're far, far to late.
Fuck off and die.
>>It is unfortunately a quick jump from "I wish the world would be more like how I remember it when I was younger" to giving the state more power over your freedom and the freedom of others.
okay for giggles I scanned. a Trump vote will give the state more power? ... now we're @Ludicrous Speed
You're right. I much preferred the times of my teenage years when there weren't all these illegals, terrorist sympathizers, drug users, LGBT pedos, and climate fanatics (or some combination of them all) were setting up camp in every corner of the Western World and clamoring for "visibility" at the top of their lungs on every channel and frequency every minute of every day.
But I really don't think that has to do with my age and the era of my formative years. I think it has to do with the conscious wrong/bad/poor/stupid/evil decision of society to not lock all those people in jails and asylums where they belong.
When we're you a teenager? Seriously.
Illegals from Mexico have been coming across the border since there has been a border. Terrorists were hijacking planes as far back as the 70s. They just wanted to go to Cuba for some reason. Drug users? Are you fucking kidding? The 60s and 70s were when illegal drugs became popular amoung white kids. That's why Nixon fired up the Drug War. To arrest the war protestors who were smoking weed. Gays? Lesbians? They were just hiding because conservatives would do horrible things to them. Pedos? The churches were full of them. Kids were getting diddled by preists and pastors and no one talked about it.
Now the climate fanatics are a relatively new panic group but there were all manner of irrational panics going around long before that particular one. As for locking those people up, all that has changed is who is locking whom up for what reasons. The left is now in that position when prior to the 00s it was the right who locked people up for not going with the program.
What you want is for your side to be back in control so you can be the oppressors again.
So many true things in a short paragraph. I'm very impressed.
Language.
And yea, I'm not denying anything you said - but if you're going to try to pretend like the sheer numbers of it all is the same as it was in the 70s, as opposed to today, then I'm going to smack you with the DERP hammer. And if you're going to pretend that the extreme majority of Americans didn't demand exactly what I said - jails and asylums - for them back then, as opposed to today, then I'm going to smack you with the DERP hammer.
Also, you just tilted your hand. Marxist.
I knew it. I knew that's what it was with you. You've been really good at keeping it on the DL - but now you just outed yourself.
These people are not "the oppressed." They are criminals, delusional mental cases, exploiters, socialists, communists, grifters, jihadists, junkies, pedophiles, and otherwise social contagions. They are agents of chaos, a/immorality, disorder, and destruction. They have human rights, to be sure - and those rights should be respected - but that doesn't change what they objectively are.
They are a VIRUS to the living organism that is America and which America was founded to guarantee, preserve, and cultivate. Y'know, I don't know if you remember McCarthyism - but, not that I always thought so, turns out that dude was RIGHT.
Like Space Man Bad said, "The real battle is between the extinctionists and the humanists. Once you see it, you can’t unsee it."
Which side are you on, MrMx? (And don't lie or try to walk it back, you already telegraphed it.)
There are a shit ton more people today AND we have the 24 hour news cycle that demands to be fed by dirty laundry so you hear about things happening across the nation that 50 years ago you would never have heard of. Technology changes. Get over it.
The rest of your accusations aren't worth bothering with. Go fuck yourself.
Language.
Well then what does that tell us?
It tells us that the pervasive rot that is criminals, delusional mental cases, exploiters, socialists, communists, grifters, jihadists, junkies, pedophiles, and otherwise social contagions is much more common than we originally were made aware of.
In which case, the reaction should be a whole lot more people actively seeking to ELIMINATE ALL OF THAT WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE.
Why aren't you for that, MrMx? Why do you instead seek to rationalize ANY ONE of those things? Seriously, I've wanted to know this for a long time: what is wrong with you? Like, in your brain? What is your basic human malfunction? Are you willing to tell me?
The other day I caught a 23 year old co-worker listening to Phil Collins. He explained that he wanted something different from rap music he normally listens to and that modern rock sucks (or is non-existent)
He also knew the urban legends about In the Air Tonight, which impressed me that it was still floating around.
But personally I've gotten tired of the music I listened to the 80s, but there is a whole genre, Synthwave or Retrowave that sounds like music from the 80s. And my favorite producer for the last few years has been PurpleDiscoMachine, who makes music that sounds like the 80s. He's not super popular, but not obscure, either (Walmart radio plays him sometimes)
As the saying goes "youth is wasted on the young". The problem I have with myself and other looking back to a time in past is that we want to go back there with our current knowledge and wisdom. We had to navigate those times in our past with the knowledge we had at the time. We all blew through so many opportunities just because we didn't know better or know what we know today. So,
I try to enjoy the past, live in the present, and look to the future.
I hated being 15. The kids around me were either stuck up perfomative rich leftist snobs who only 'tolerated' those who went along with THEIR ideas (and you never really belonged, you were just 'allowed' to be 'around'), even in the 90s, or just a bunch of white trash who resented that I (also a trailer dweller at that time) studied, got good grades, and wasn't a lazy degenerate.
But the music of the 50s-00s had one thing going for it that is nearly absent since 2010: it was *rebellious* and it got you up, moving, and energized. Aerosmith, Motley Crue, Skid Row .... vs. Maroon 5, Train, even Imagine Dragons? C'mon man, after the last good wave of pop-punk in the '00s, "mainstream" airplay shifted from fun amped up party rock (with the occasional social commentary song) to, essentially, slow mind numbing bland adult contemporary cult dirges.
It was also a freer time pre-9/11. TV and movies got better and more complicated AFTER I'd turned 15. There are a few 80s classic movies but most of them are dreck.
I miss the music, I miss the freedom, I miss society not being batcrap insane (although back then it had different problems and I knew all Dems and globalists were communist tyrants by the time I was 12... too bad nobody listened to my warnings).
From the 50s to the 90s we were told constantly that we were all going to die in a nuclear blast. Sure in the 50s they taught kids Duck and Cover, like that cheep plywood desk was going to stop any radiation. It made kids think they could do something. But as time went on it changed to "stick your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye."
So the music was rebellious. It was all about fuck this shit. We could all die tommorow because some Soviet leader didn't get laid last night so he hits the button and the nukes fly so we may as well have some fun before we are all radioactive corpses.
Unfortunately the nukes never did fly and we had to dig ourselves out of the debt we incurred partying out early 20s away and get real jobs. But I think that "fuck it" attitude plays a lot into what happened to society in the last 20 years. As we kids of the 80s became the adults I don't think we could really committ to the 9 to 5 thing. That "we're all gonna die" attitude just set us up to not take it so seriously. We probably fucked our own kids up with our cynical nature's.
Perhaps the Cold War did a lot more damage than a hot war would have done.
After retiring several years ago, I began reliving my teens and twenties in full vigor by riding my bicycle 2,500 miles per year on 30 different trails, hiking through dozens of parks, forests and game lands, kayaking on rivers, creeks and lakes, and listening to lots of great music from the 1960s, 70s and 80s.
I also lost 50 pounds, became a whole foods vegan, and sharply reduced my consumption of added sugar and alcohol.
I've found my utopia.
Good for you. That 2500miles/year in a bike is impressive. Any tips on transitioning to vegan, or veganish? I have to believe find recipes that a person likes is the hardest part.
The logic of these polls is completely flawed. You know what else would create this effect? A country that has been in continual decline since post WWII. Sound familiar?
Think that may be why there are two age groups that are showing the same results? With these two polls you’ve covered the period from 11-23. What do you want to bet the same results occur for people nostalgic of their 24-30 period.
Yeah, why in the world would I be nostalgic for a time when we had:
A strong economy
A balanced(ish) budget
Improving race relations
Relatively stable international relations
A much less toxic internet
Etc...
Must just be that I was in my early 20's and not because all those metrics are objectively worse today.
You caught me at first with the balanced budget line, then I saw balancedish.
Must just be that I was in my early 20’s and not because all those metrics are objectively worse today.
The flip side, I've been saying for almost 20 yrs. that the whole "Conservatives are nostalgic for the 50s." thing is a gimmick that only exists in the heads of people who still imagine the Klan is lurking around every corner, homosexuals are still dragged to death behind pickup trucks daily in this country, and, without Roe v. Wade, women will be forced to rely on coathangers and back alleys for abortions.
The "Conservatives aren't nostalgic for the 50s. They're nostalgic for when they were 15." doesn't have the least bearing on and is rather overtly the nth Generation/LTE narrative of the exact same idiotic mindset.