The War on Birth Control That Wasn't

Plus: Hooters discourse, Zelenskyy's plea, Jacobin posting Ls, and more...

Trump's (imagined) reversal: "Trump backtracks after suggesting he's open to states restricting birth control access," reads a Washington Post headline from yesterday. Just one issue: A closer read of the presidential contender's statements does not indicate any serious plan to go after birth control.

"I HAVE NEVER, AND WILL NEVER ADVOCATE IMPOSING RESTRICTIONS ON BIRTH CONTROL, or other contraceptives," former President Donald Trump wrote on Truth Social, which The Washington Post claims was a "reversal of comments" he made to reporters in Pittsburgh.

"Things really do have a lot to do with the states, and some states are going to have different policy than others," Trump had said, in response to a question about whether he supported states' restrictions on birth control access, including the morning-after pill.

Nothing about this seems particularly controversial. Trump's words were nonspecific and handwavey, with hints of federalism, but they became yet another way to ding the widely-reviled candidate. ("Trump Opens Door to Birth Control Restrictions, Then Tries to Close It," reads a New York Times headline; "Trump Says He's 'Looking At' Restricting Contraception Access," reads one from Rolling Stone.) All of this comes on the heels of an effort by Democrats in the Senate to pass the Right to Contraception Act, which the Times describes as a ploy to "[force] G.O.P. lawmakers to go on the record with their opposition to policies with broad bipartisan support."

Extremist base? "The truth is that Republicans and Donald Trump's extremist base don't want the Right to Contraception Act to pass," said Sen. Edward Markey (D–Mass.) on Tuesday. "That's going to be very clear to voters in the fall." But Senate Republicans have blocked this bill in the past (when it was proposed by Markey, who wanted it to pass quickly without debate or a vote), "arguing that the bill's definition of contraceptives could be interpreted to include pills that induce abortion." That's very different than wanting to ban basic hormonal birth control, which is what headlines and grandstanding senators would have you believe.

Meanwhile, some senators—Alabama's Katie Britt and Texas' Ted Cruz—are attempting to make states ineligible for Medicaid funding from the federal government if they ban in vitro fertilization (IVF), which scrambles the attempted narrative a bit. ("IVF is incredibly pro-family," Cruz said this week.)

Still, to take Markey's comments at face value, it's worth asking: Who are these purported extremists? Do they actually exist in large numbers?

Per 2016 polling, about 4 percent of Americans see contraception as morally wrong. The greatest opposition tends to come from Catholics, but even among Catholics who attend Mass weekly (guilty as charged), only 13 percent say contraception is morally wrong—and that doesn't even mean they support a ban on the practice. (Some 20 percent of people ID themselves as Catholics nationwide, per 2024 polling, with only 28 percent of them attending Mass weekly—not a group that looks positioned to amass much political power, in other words.)

Many women want the ability to use the pill, implants, and IUDs. But it's also worth noting that another form of birth control is commonly used: condoms! Which you can get via DoorDash, Amazon Prime (one-day delivery), pharmacies, or grocery stores. You can even use a subscription service for posh "vegan-friendly" condoms "designed without harmful chemicals and triple tested for safety" (the product is cheekily called "rise" which feels stupid and classy all at once, just like so many millennial-targeted direct-to-consumer brands).

Even if Republicans were seeking to ban the birth control pill en masse or hassle doctors who insert IUDs—which they're not—we're far from a sex dystopia. Democrats are trying to tie the birth control issue to the abortion one, acting like Republicans broadly have a problem with both, when reality is actually…better for their case (and worse for their campaign strategy). Most Republicans oppose abortion, which they see as the killing of an unborn child, but do not oppose the prevention of pregnancies, which they see as something that stops abortions from happening.

Galaxy-brain take: It's really the Food and Drug Administration, not radical Republicans, which has been standing in the way of birth control access for many years now but is just now beginning to approve over-the-counter hormonal contraceptives.

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Scenes from New York: OK, since there's a shockingly large libertarian-NBA fan crossover, I simply must cater to my favorite demographic even if it has little to do with, you know, freedom. The season just ended for the Knicks (at the hand of the Indiana Pacers), and there are a few big takeaways worth noting for those who observe.

"The biggest thing that happened this season, and maybe the biggest thing that has happened to the Knicks in decades, is that Jalen Brunson established himself as the sort of superstar you build an entire team around," writes Will Leitch at Intelligencer. "I think he might be the biggest New York City sports superstar at this moment since I started writing for this magazine 16 years ago."

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QUICK HITS

• In an interview with The New York Times, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy "spoke with a mix of frustration and bewilderment at the West's reluctance to take bolder steps to ensure that Ukraine prevails."
• In a tweet, Jacobin attempted to skewer Walmart: "Infamous for its starvation wages, Walmart just posted staggering first-quarter profits. The surge is a result of its strategic shift toward catering to affluent shoppers while its full-time workers continue to rely on Medicaid and food stamps." The only problem is that Jacobin writers are paid worse than Walmart employees, which X users quickly pointed out via Community Notes.
• Evergreen words: "Fantasy life isn't always politically correct."

"Porn featuring violence against women is also extremely popular among women. It is far more popular among women than men. I hate saying that because misogynists seem to love this fact. Fantasy life isn't always politically correct." https://t.co/1JE66M6DAL pic.twitter.com/25cMoKhhpN

— Rob Henderson (@robkhenderson) May 21, 2024

• OK, fine, a double helping of sex content (this is Reason, after all). Hooters discourse is raging, behold:

Lot of pretty revealing red carpet clothes lately. But I recall Hooters workers being shamed for much less revealing work clothes. Is the difference just class? https://t.co/x1Ped8Wi0K

— Robin Hanson (@robinhanson) May 20, 2024

• Donald Trump never took the stand in his New York criminal case, in which jurors heard roughly five weeks of testimony (mostly from witnesses called by the prosecution).
• A Singapore Airlines flight that took off from London and was intended for Singapore had to make an emergency landing in Bangkok due to severe turbulence. One man died. The maker of the aircraft? I'll give you one guess (but don't say it out loud, you know what happens to whistleblowers).
• This took off:

I increasingly think calling regulations like these "well-meaning" is bad and should be avoided. How is it well-meaning to restrict families' options? To act like those without college degrees are somehow inferior or unqualified to love and take care of children? https://t.co/A4Vj11mQzE

— Liz Wolfe (@LizWolfeReason) May 17, 2024

• Soliciting YOUR ideas, dear reader: Who should Zach Weissmueller and I interview next on Just Asking Questions? DM me/DM him/tweet at us/email at [e-mail]/track me down on the streets of New York City, use whatever means necessary, but please do tell us who you want us to interrogate interview.

Comments

[Chumby]

News from Intel Slava Z

Israel recalls ambassadors from Norway and Ireland. Oslo recently announced recognition of the Palestinian state and Dublin is expected to do so soon.

The European Union will deprive Georgia of its membership candidate status if the country's authorities do not abandon the law on foreign agents - Foreign Policy magazine reports

China has imposed sanctions on 12 US companies for selling weapons to Taiwan and in response to restrictions on Chinese businesses over their cooperation with Russia.

On May 16, Russia launched a satellite into space that can attack other devices in low-Earth orbit, Pentagon spokesman Patrick Ryder said at a briefing.

"Russia launched a low-Earth orbit satellite that we assess is likely an anti-space weapon, presumably capable of attacking other low-Earth orbit satellites," he said. Ryder noted that US government satellites are in the same orbit.

The Bundestag in Germany may have just passed a law decriminalizing the possession of cp(additional context is needed).

Videos of protesters interrupting Blinken’s testimony at the US senate CFR.

Videos from Ukraine.

Videos from Gaza.

Videos from Iran.

Video of a babushka fighting a brown bear with sticks and rocks. Olga walked away from the encounter.

[JesseAz]

If we send Ukraine another 300B will they stop?

[Ajsloss]

Probably not. Maybe a bunch of kids should storm a campus building or block a street or something.

[Chumby]

The bear video wasn’t that long where it is possible, beforehand, that it had been contained in some irresponsible person’s trunk.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Was this trunk bear vaccinated and wearing three masks?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Hands off her bo.

[Anomalous]

Gladly.

[Randy Sax]

Porn featuring violence against women is also extremely popular among women.

She’s using reverse psychology?

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

No, a lot of left-wing women have a massive humiliation fetish in the bedroom. It's compensation for going around all day acting like a "bad boss bitch." The "I want to get pounded by a Republican" Twatter post from 2020 epitomizes it.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I HAVE NEVER, AND WILL NEVER ADVOCATE IMPOSING RESTRICTIONS ON BIRTH CONTROL, or other contraceptives...

Exhibit 1: Operation Warp Speed.

[Minadin]

Haven't the Democrats actually shot down every Republican attempt to make birth control pills and other contraceptive options OTC?

[TJJ2000]

Indeed. Leftards only know how to self-project.

[American Mongrel]

IIRC, when either the Romney or McCain campaign floated the idea, it was because they didnt care about women’s health. The response when questioning why a doctor isnt necessary to perform an abortion, but is necessary to prescribe birth control was “Shut up misogynist!”

[Fist of Etiquette]

Per 2016 polling, about 4 percent of Americans see contraception as morally wrong.

IT MAKES IT LESS SENSITIVE DOWN THERE.

[Chumby]

Condoms do not guarantee safe sex. A friend of mine was wearing one when he was shot by the woman’s husband.

Both men shot their loads…

[Don't look at me!]

Ok everybody, that’s a wrap!

[Ajsloss]

By the time I get it unwrapped, it's too latex.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Well, they do have difficulty stopping lead moving near the speed of sound.

[JesseAz]

I see a few holes in your story.

[Chumby]

The woman was mad too because my friend promised he would never rubber the wrong way.

[TheReEncogitationer]

Obviously, the rubbers need to encompass the whole body and be made of the Nanotech material used in armor nowadays.
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[mad.casual]

So, to be clear, "a friend" has sex with a married woman, gets shot by her husband, and clearly lays out... to you... that a condom was being used when he got shot?

Reading through the Freudian tea leaves, are you sure the "friend" and the "husband" aren't the same person and you're just sensationalizing an embarrassing personal story about how you had *two* accidental discharges while boning your wife?

[TheReEncogitationer]

Many women want the ability to use the pill, implants, and IUDs. But it's also worth noting that another form of birth control is commonly used: condoms! Which you can get via DoorDash...

Wait, I thought DoorDash was for food. Soooo...flavored condoms to go in the Schlotszky's and edible undies to go with the tuna fish tacos?
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You can even use a subscription service for posh "vegan-friendly" condoms "designed without harmful chemicals and triple tested for safety"

Mere talk of Veganism is contraceptive enough! Hearing them talk the theory gets you out of the mood and it deprives your strength to fuck when practiced! A double whammy worse than sedatives! The very word "Veganism" sounds like a Cockney corruption of the word "Virginism."
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(the product is cheekily called "rise" which feels stupid and classy all at once, just like so many millennial-targeted direct-to-consumer brands).

*Uh-huh! Uh-huh!*. Liz said "cheekily!". We love ya, Duck Lips!
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[Fist of Etiquette]

OK, since there's a shockingly large libertarian-NBA fan crossover...

It's because the NHL has arbitrary rules that are seldom consistently enforced.

[Chumby]

The NHL is not libertarian because they penalize hooking.

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

Also they have prohibitions on crossing the blue line.

[Chumby]

And anti-immigration because they penalize boarding.

The pedo’s like the NHL because they give out several minors per game.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

I think you’re offsides with that comment.

[MK Ultra]

But like the Biden administration, the red lines no longer matter.

[Spiritus Mundi]

You can have your cake, and eat it too. But no icing.

[Don't look at me!]

Check.

[Chumby]

Restrictions on large orgies are unlibertarian with the NHL cracking down on “too many men.”

[Don't look at me!]

What the puck is that all about?

[Its_Not_Inevitable]

Or penalties for being the "third man in".

[Rev Arthur L kuckland]

Is there a large libritarian NBA crossover? I haven heard of one

[Chumby]

NBA not libertarian. To be successful there one must go through a lot of hoops. Too bureaucratic to be libertarian.

[Spiritus Mundi]

But true libertarians, like ENB, support monetizing dribbling balls.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

It’s because the NHL has arbitrary rules that are seldom consistently enforced.

In the NBA, they're not really enforced at all. I don't think I've seen a traveling call get whistled since the early 90s. Watch a game from the early 80s, and one would get called every 5-10 minutes.

I think David Stern basically told the refs back in the 90s, "Don't call traveling unless they're blatantly just walking up the court carrying the ball. They're all traveling, anyway, and it just slows the game down."

[Chumby]

The NBA is like the Biden administration - rules on the book against illegal traveling but not really enforced.

[tracerv]

It was all that And1 bullshit going on at the time. They can't handle the ball anymore without a carry. It's so blatant.

[TheReEncogitationer]

It is shockingly large to me. You'd think more Libertarians would boycott Bread and Circuses typically played in taxpayer-funded arenas.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I'm surprised people can afford to go to the games. Even tickets in the less desirable sections, for crappy teams, are damn expensive these days.

I was looking up the cost of Rockies tickets for the Baltimore series, and the ones in the lower section on the third base line were $85 each. I'm pretty sure I got those for about $45 each in 2011.

[TheReEncogitationer]

You'd think that with taxpayer subsidy of arenas, they'd include free tickets with your tax bill. No such luck.

[Fist of Etiquette]

...Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy "spoke with a mix of frustration and bewilderment at the West's reluctance to take bolder steps to ensure that Ukraine prevails."

You took too long. How many shiny objects can the west focus on at once?

[Zeb]

Fuck that guy. Anything but gratitude for the idiotic amount of money already dumped into that fucking disaster is just being a shithead.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I'll be a bit gracious here and note that Zelensky is not an elected official, per se. He's a puppet of the State Department who was put in office specifically because Victoria Nuland knew he'd be a good boy and do what he's told, as opposed to someone with more defined nationalist sentiments like Vitali Klitschko.

So I see his attitude more as that of someone who is (foolishly) expecting the US to give him the resources to push out Russia in order to keep the west's money laundering operations going. If he's acting uppity, it's mainly due to frustration over the west's cluelessness that taking the country back in another color revolution is going to be a lot more difficult after the Orange and Maidan Revolutions. And that's assuming Putin even wants to absorb the entire country rather than just the pro-Russia areas.

[Zeb]

You are probably right. He's more like "hey, you guys said you had my back". Still, fuck him.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I guess I'm a bit more sympathetic because the guy is just an actor who was literally cast to play a real-life role, and he's pretty much been at the mercy of the Atlantic Council since day one. He knows if he doesn't follow their instructions, he's going to get assassinated by some western glowie.

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

Yeah Ukraine should have cut their losses after their successful counter strike and probably would have if it weren't for Nuland and co.

At this point, I doubt Russia will settle, now that Ukraine ison the ropes. But that's hard to read not knowing the internal pressure Putin has to continue or settle.

Though I will disagree that Zelinsky gets off'd by the West. He'll spend his days in Paris or DC advocating, like Chalibi, that if the West just installs him as leader they will be greeted with open arms and unicorn farts. Unless Russia gets him first, then he'll have a case of the plutoniums.

[TheReEncogitationer]

Yeah Ukraine should have cut their losses after their successful counter strike and probably would have if it weren’t for Nuland and co.

Nuland or no, with Putin's Revanchism, "cutting losses" would mean cutting your own throat.

At this point, I doubt Russia will settle, now that Ukraine ison the ropes. But that’s hard to read not knowing the internal pressure Putin has to continue or settle.

The only internal pressure that would make Putin settle is internal mutiny, which could easily come if Putin stretches his materiels and "human capital" thin enough. As Sun Tzu observed, an army unchecked will burn itself out.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

US has a long history of letting their puppets twist in the wind. And then everybody acts surprised.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

A puppet is supposed to run things competently. That's why Yeltsin was eventually abandoned after his alcoholism became too much of a liability.

[Ron]

why poor more money into a losing company

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Pump and dump?

[Its_Not_Inevitable]

It's a government. That's how it operates.

[tracerv]

Fuck Will Leitch.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I’m honestly surprised the guy is still being paid to write articles. He hasn’t been remotely relevant on the sports journalism scene since he left Deadspin a decade and a half ago.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

Donnie touts fourth Reich on social media:

Trump shares video suggesting his victory will bring 'unified Reich'

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-shares-video-unified-reich-social-media-rcna153214

They always reveal themselves, Peanuts.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

This has been debunked multiple times in social media, yet Democrats like you (might as well call the skunk a skunk) keep reposting your lies.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

has been debunked multiple times in social media

This is why you are so poorly informed.

I use WSJ and Bloomberg as my primary sources.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

"I use WSJ and Bloomberg as my primary sources."

This is belied by the links you actually post here.

[JesseAz]

You mean his links he doesn't even read and often debunk him?

[chemjeff radical individualist]

No no no. You cannot trust WSJ or Bloomberg or Reuters or AP or DW or any of the "lame stream media". They are biased and lie to you. The person you can really trust is the guy who just put up a Youtube channel 5 minutes ago and tells you all the things that you want to hear know to be true about the world!

[Don't look at me!]

Poor sarc.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

ZeroHedge and GateWay Idiot are where the informed MAGA crowd gets their info.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Plugazoid, the 2000s called and want their internet links back.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

“I use WSJ and Bloomberg as my primary sources.”

^This was the statement. If you look at asshat's SPB's posting history, you will get a different picture.

[JesseAz]

Same with Jeff’s posting history.

And especially his retweet history.

[Zeb]

No, you shouldn't trust that guy. But you should consider that maybe he has something worthwhile to say. The media is biased. All of it. You should be seeking secondary verification for the AP just as much as for the rando on Youtube.

[JesseAz]

Primary sourced documents is always preferable to journalist interpretation.

[Chumby]

Recall that garbage about needing a shared collective reasoning.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

"The person you can really trust is the guy who just put up a Youtube channel 5 minutes ago and tells you all the things that you want to hear know to be true about the world!"

According to plug, this is true, if it's Justin Raimondo.

[TheReEncogitationer]

Kind of hard, since Justin Raimondo is dead.

[Spiritus Mundi]

Did you read today's round up at all?

[InsaneTrollLogic]

He probably read the Roundup with the same enthusiasm that he reads his own links with.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

You forgot to respond yesterday after being called on bullshit about saudi flights after 9/11. You just come back the next day, unfazed, and post more bullshit.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

No, I posted a link that clearly said Saudis were cleared to fly before airspace was reopened after 9/11.

Later the Senate 9/11 committee said there was no evidence those flights occurred.

Don't you CT types distrust the Senate whitewashers?

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

"Don’t you CT types distrust the Senate whitewashers?"

Here you are the one posting conspiracies.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

I read articles from the late libertarian writer Justin Raimondo. He was not a fan of the Bushpigs either. It was considered a fact that the Saudis were allowed to fly before air space opened by the anti-war libertarian crowd.

Now the Senate Committee says otherwise? Okay. So it be.

[damikesc]

You KEPT pushing it after you were shown to be wrong.

[Mother's Lament]

"I read articles from the late libertarian writer Justin Raimondo."

It's a shame you didn't agree with him.

[David Perry]

You posted one source, which was an unnamed member of a senate staff.

The 9/11 commission disagrees, and they note the interviews and evidence they took their conclusions from.
Every other article I could find on the internet (including the one you initially posted) disagreed.
The FOIA suit brought by JW disagrees.

So you are going with the ‘my one source said this thing and I believe it regardless of all other sources, and its a big conspiracy theory…’?

You just can’t admit you lied, huh?

Wow.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

What can we say, Turd lies. Turd knows he lies. We know Turd lies. Turd knows we know he lies. Turd still continues to lie like a bag of manure anyway.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

Where do you guys have Sevo chained up? Are you filling in for him now?

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

Where do you have SPB1 chained up?

[InsaneTrollLogic]

And why do you have a “2” after your moniker?

[Sevo]

Fuck you turd, I just got tired of reading the same lies day after day.
Eat shit and die.

[tracerv]

https://thefederalist.com/2024/05/22/germanys-decriminalization-of-child-porn-reminds-us-why-we-need-societal-taboos/

Germany’s Decriminalization Of Child Porn Reminds Us Why We Need Societal Taboos

[JesseAz]

Finally. Maybe jeff will move to Germany and annoy them.

[Rev Arthur L kuckland]

And wood chippers

[Ron]

didn't california do something similar recently by decreasing the crime of paying an underage person for sex

[Nobartium]

Totally in line with the islamification of the West.

Europe is doomed.

[Chumby]

Germans taking a hans off approach to pathological behavior.

[Super Scary]

And then one day, for no reason at all..

[Chumby]

Regarding the Hooters versus Cannes attire standards debate, it is a morality with which we must juggle.

[Randy Sax]

A gray areola.

[TheReEncogitationer]

Only if she's from The Mother ship.
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[InsaneTrollLogic]

It is most titillating.

[Don't look at me!]

There are a couple of points in her favor.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Way up firm and high.

[Ajsloss]

I have a feeling this will be milked to death.

[TheReEncogitationer]

Talk about it over beer and it will be Pasteurized!
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[Chumby]

I rack my brain over this.

[TheReEncogitationer]

On the horny of a dilemma!

[Anomalous]

I admit I have failed to stay abreast of the latest developments here.

[Randy Sax]

I think we need to get off on this topic.

[Its_Not_Inevitable]

Please keep us abreast of the latest developments.

[Mike Parsons]

Whoever posted that original Tweet article with the phrasing,

"Bella Hadid makes her grand cannes return" gets a nod from me

[TheReEncogitationer]

No wait, photog! The Cannes are on the other end!
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[TheReEncogitationer]

The debate is between a couple of boobies! Can't we love them both?
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[JesseAz]

Red Lobster Index is crashing. Not sure why Shrike hasn't informed us.

https://www.axios.com/2024/05/20/red-lobster-bankruptcy-filed?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=editorial

[Chumby]

He’s too busy working on his lawn jockey Halloween costume.

[Spiritus Mundi]

He can borrow the one from the gimp in his basement.

[Mother's Lament]

Most of the kids down there aren't so much gimps as corpses.

[TheReEncogitationer]

No more Cheddar Bay Biscuits! There will be weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth! Some people treat them things like The Host!
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[Randy Sax]

But it's also worth noting that another form of birth control is commonly used: condoms!

No one likes condoms. Women don't like them, men don't like them. Technology has evolved. IUDs seem like the best option.

[Don't look at me!]

Condoms are for sailors, baby!

[Chumby]

The seamen are semengly careful.

[Ajsloss]

Filthy beggars! They go from port to port.

[Randy Sax]

Any port in a storm.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Put A Helmet on Him! He's going into battle! (Sam Kinison)

[CLM1227]

IUDs increase risk of ectopic pregnancies. At least the ones with no hormones do. I don’t know if the micro-dose IUDs have the same risk factors.

[JesseAz]

The McKinsey analysis government uses to promote ESG is pretty much marketing pablum and not actual research.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/05/19/the-dodgy-data-behind-the-dei-crusade/

[JesseAz]

In depth article on how the White House fabricated the classified documents scandal every step of the way. The information is from documents released by the judge that the government and Jack Smith wanted to keep under seal.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2024/05/02/unredactions_reveal_early_white_house_involvement_in_trump_documents_case_1028630.html

[Gaear Grimsrud]

This case is quickly unravelling only because it's not in the DC circuit. Really the biggest political scandal in my lifetime. But the MSM says that the judge is just trying to delay the trial beyond the election. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if she dismisses the case on selective prosecution. But even that wouldn't be justice. These motherfuckers need to be locked up in a federal penitentiary.

[Mother's Lament]

They sure are intent on making Watergate and the Teapot Dome scandal look quaint.

[JesseAz]

Nancy Romelman seems to be writing for RCI now. Must have passed off KMW. New article is about the Portland drug and homeless crisis and the effects on the population.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2023/10/10/anatomy_of_a_random_unhinged_assault_in_portland_city_of_professed_benevolence_984484.html

[InsaneTrollLogic]

She must not have attended enough cocktail parties with KMW in DC.

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

Per the RCI link this was published in Oct 2023. Not exactly new.

The last article at Reason was in Feb 2024 regarding Gaza/Israel. Good one if you missed.

[JesseAz]

Weird. Was listed yesterday.

[Its_Not_Inevitable]

I thought she was freelance.

[Zeb]

I believe so.

[Minadin]

She is.

[sarcasmic]

Hunter Biden tried to pin his missing handgun on 'shady,' 'prolly illegal' Mexican grocery store workers after girlfriend Hallie dumped it in a public trash can

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13444001/Hunter-Biden-missing-handgun-shady-Mexican-grocery-store.html

Damn illegals.

[JesseAz]

You and Jeff defending use of force against Trump and the Secret Service last night was something to behold.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

TDS is an amazing affliction. It exposes the hypocrites here like little else.

[Mother's Lament]

Kreemjeff screaming that I was a liar because they wouldn't have shot Trump unless Trump or the Secret Service shot at them first, was a thing to behold.

A must read for everyone.

[JesseAz]

Trump's (imagined) reversal: "Trump backtracks after suggesting he's open to states restricting birth control access," reads a Washington Post headline from yesterday. Just one issue: A closer read of the presidential contender's statements does not indicate any serious plan to go after birth control.
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"I HAVE NEVER, AND WILL NEVER ADVOCATE IMPOSING RESTRICTIONS ON BIRTH CONTROL, or other contraceptives," former President Donald Trump wrote on Truth Social, which The Washington Post claims was a "reversal of comments" he made to reporters in Pittsburgh.

This has been a decades long lie by the left repeated by useful idiots like jeff, shrike, or sarc. The GOP has been for OTC birth control for more than a decade.

[JesseAz]

Nothing about this seems particularly controversial. Trump's words were nonspecific and handwavey, with hints of federalism, but they became yet another way to ding the widely-reviled candidate.

Funny. The above jokers attack statements pointing out Trump was largely a federalist during his term.

[HorseConch]

Much like abortion, though, many of the mushy R's love to play both sides of it.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Really can't ever hate the media enough.

[Don't look at me!]

… The surge is a result of its strategic shift toward catering to affluent shoppers

I wondered why there was an entire row of Rolls Royces in the parking lot.

[Chumby]

That’s how a monocle polisher rolls.

[Randy Sax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77LNBK8jZZg

Not sure these people are in that high a tax bracket.

[Idaho-Bob]

You'll see those people in Portland, SF, and Seattle.

They are not WalMart exclusive. 🙂

[Randy Sax]

Soliciting YOUR ideas, dear reader: Who should Zach Weissmueller and I interview next on Just Asking Questions?

Ryan Long

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

Each other? KMW?

Naw, there are easier ways to tank one's job.

[Randy Sax]

At first I thought you meant the arms company. Krauss-Maffei Wegmann

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

Every once in a while, some Reason hypocrisy or statist article leads me to post

Fire KMW
Get out of DC
Liberty first, pragmatism later

[Chumby]

Ray Epps

[JesseAz]

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I increasingly think calling regulations like these "well-meaning" is bad and should be avoided. How is it well-meaning to restrict families' options? To act like those without college degrees are somehow inferior or unqualified to love and take care of children?

One day you'll realize the goal of these programs aren't to produce better learning in kids but to help indoctrinate the kids of others since the DNC promotes no kids of their own. It is why education colleges are more activism than teaching now. This is a well documented outlay of the kong March started by socialists and Marxists in the 50s and 60s.

[Chumby]

There are several commenters here, similar to the potus, that I think love children too much.

[Michael Ejercito]

The FDA restricts access to birth conttol.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

So effectively, the administrative state is the one restricting access.

[Rev Arthur L kuckland]

To act like those without college degrees are somehow inferior or unqualified to love and take care of children?

Because if they don't go to collage, they may never read Michelle fuco and lean how to really 'love' children

[Don't look at me!]

Is the difference just class?

Same reason certain party goers didn’t need face diapers, but the servers did.

[American Mongrel]

Not just class.
Look at what the tabloids were saying about Kanye's girlfriend when it appeared that she was the only trollop wandering around in sheer clothing.
You only have to have favored status with the media gate keepers.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

I increasingly think calling regulations like these "well-meaning" is bad and should be avoided. How is it well-meaning to restrict families' options? To act like those without college degrees are somehow inferior or unqualified to love and take care of children?

The "well-meaning" part stems from the fact that there is literally no one sitting around saying "I want to impose a college degree requirement on day care workers because I hate the less educated people and want them to suffer".

[JesseAz]

It isnt well meaning. It is about young indoctrination. A continued taking from parental control to government. Something you've advocated for for years. By the way. Nice defending use of force with sarc against the SS and Trump last night. Totally not a statist.

[Don't look at me!]

…fact that there is literally no one sitting around saying..

Going to need a citation on that one.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

Google!

[JesseAz]

Democrats using the state is always well meaning. Ask Jeff.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

You don't even need a citation. Just pull up one of Arthur L. Hicklib's comments.

[Mother's Lament]

"there is literally no one sitting around saying “I want to impose a college degree requirement on day care workers because I hate the less educated people and want them to suffer”."

And yet in the end that's always exactly what happens. Why is that Jeffy?

Also, reading the comments at Huffpo and the NYT tells me that's there are tens of thousands that absolutely hate the uncredentialled and want them to suffer.

[American Mongrel]

I bet the teacher's union are the ones saying it. And the credential-ers.

[Super Scary]

“Porn featuring violence against women is also extremely popular among women. It is far more popular among women than men. I hate saying that because misogynists seem to love this fact. Fantasy life isn’t always politically correct.”

What is the psychology behind a person not disliking something for its (bad) merits, but because the people they hate like it? I’ll never understand that mindset.

[Don't look at me!]

Ask sarc about that mindset.

[JesseAz]

Wants to feed an ex horse meat because she likes horses. Burns your meat if you order steak differently than he likes. Dismisses your arguments if he hates you. Dismisses data if he doesn't like the group. All hate based principles.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

Those were tulpa.

[JesseAz]

Hates Tulpa. Hates himself.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

A couple posters here should be able to shed light on that.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

What is the psychology behind a person not disliking something for its (bad) merits, but because the people they hate like it? I’ll never understand that mindset.

Why don't you ask the people who boycotted Bud Light over an ad campaign that wasn't even directed at them?

[JesseAz]

Bud light was never a good beer dumbass. It was just convenient. There are other options. People don't want politics with their shit beer when other shit beer is available.

[Medulla Oblongata]

But Light was the McDonalds of beer. It sucks, but you know what you're getting.

[Don't look at me!]

Jeff, how long before a guy can bring a case of bud light to deer camp and no jokes will be made about it?

[Zeb]

That's not what happened with Bud Light.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Yeah it kinda is. You have a bunch of people who were upset that "their beer" was being marketed to people they don't like.

[Zeb]

It's a little similar. But it was because people felt insulted and offended by the ad campaign (whether that was a sensible reaction or not). It was because they didn't like what the company did, not because they didn't like other people who were enjoying the product.

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

The response by the marketing VP behind the campaign insulting their customers after the initial campaign, followed by lame statement by the president/CEO was a master class in how NOT to respond.

But meh...still drinking Natural Light, the superior day drinking light beer on the market.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

Jeff and sarc tend to project their own mentality onto others, as demonstrated below.

[sarcasmic]

Anyone who drinks Bud Light is hopeless anyway.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

More hopeless than Boone’s Farm or Colt 45?

[Mickey Rat]

What do yiu think should happen when the person in charge of marketing a product decides they do not much like the product’s long term customer base and tries to replace it?

Not to mention, Dylan Mulvaney is cringe as hell.

It is rather like what is currently going on with Dr. Who, where the cast is telling the audience, if you do not like going flamboyantly into alphabet ideology, then do not watch, and the audience is going away in droves.

These ideological self-immolations are fascinating behavior.

[Super Scary]

There is certainly a weird trend with movies and TV where they will make some possibly controversial decision and then have articles published like “[X] Hates New [Y]! Sorry [X], it’s [Z]’s turn!” and then months later you get articles like “[X] Didn’t Watch [Y], So it Failed. Why do [X]s Hate [Z] so much?!”

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

The corporate left have adopted “negative marketing” strategies, in concert with their propagandists in the access shill media, in recent years to try and manufacture a cultural consensus around their products. It’s a pretty naked attempt to get conservative customers “hate-consuming” them, because the standard talking points from these people are, “if you don’t like it, don’t buy it!” followed shortly by, “well, if you didn’t actually consoooooooooooome the product, you can’t criticize it, fascist!”

The problem for these people is that there are a lot of non-lefty content creators who DO review these products so the rest of the customer base doesn’t have to do so, explains WHY these products suck donkey dick, and allow those customers to mock and laugh at said product. The purchases by the content creators don’t come anywhere close to making up for the overall loss of revenue.

[Mickey Rat]

As a marketing strategy, it does not seem to work though, does it?

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

There was something of a "hate watching" trend in the early late 2000s-early 2010s for TV shows that had jumped the shark. The companies seem to have confused rage-clicking on internet links with rage marketing of actual products, along with an assumption based on past consumer consumption like the Star Wars prequels that the most die-hard fans will still buy these products no matter what is actually in them.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Part of that is that these progtards can’t write an interesting story worth a damn and feel the need to hammer everyone over the head with their ideology. I was hopeful that when Jodie Whittaker became the Doctor, we’d see some different stories that might center on the differences between being male and female. Chibnall’s writing and direction over it sucked as everything a male could do, the Doctor could do as female.

Hell, the Doctor could regenerate as an Ood, and be worth watching if the storylines were interesting without progtard ideology being shoved down our throats.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I don't watch that show, but from what I've read it was starting to go off the rails even before the Whittaker years.

[Medulla Oblongata]

“While the sci-fi show is always likely to perform well and has a huge fanbase, it is still important to bring new audiences to the series. This seems to be Davies’ goal with the show’s new era, which could be reflected in Doctor Who season 14’s cast. It also aligns with the new Disney era and marks a turning point for the future. This only brings hope that Doctor Who can continue to be an interesting and captivating show, with plenty of scope.

To which I point out, the numbers do not seem to support that notion…

https://www.ratingraph.com/tv-shows/doctor-who-ratings-20291/

Personally, haven’t watched in a few years. I had no problem with a woman Dr. Or even a black woman Dr. We’d already seen a woman “Master”, and an Asian-looking “Master.” But I just got bored…and tired of being smacked in the face with the SJW. The last seasons I watched had nothing compelling like Bad Wolf, or a crack in the universe, or the loss of the Ponds. Not even annoying “It’s smaller on the outside” impossible girl. Just Jody Whitaker calling every one “fam”: mopey lesbian Pakistani PC, neurodivergent black guy who can’t ride a bike or throw a ball, old man with dead wife all of whom spend most of their time trying to quit being the Dr’s companions.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

It just started to become less and less compelling. The female Master as “Missy” was fun and entertaining. The SJW shit just ruined it.

[Dillinger]

>>Doctor Who season 14

existential abomination.

[Medulla Oblongata]

Might be injecting girl power into the next Dune. First, rather than following the successful Dune with the natural sequel based on Dune Messiah, they've chosen the Sisterhood of Dune prequel as the next installment. Sisterhood takes place some 10000 years before the events of Dune and focuses on the early days of the Bene Geserrit.

I expect it to be the Marvells of the Dune...

Check out the full cast of the Dune prequel series:

Tabu as Sister Francesca
Emily Watson as Valya Harkonnen
Camilla Beeput as Reverend Mother Dorotea
Sarah Lam as Hagal Truthsayer
Travis Fimmel as Desmond Hart
Olivia Williams as Tula Harkonnen
Jodhi May as Natalya
Sarah-Sofie Boussnina as Princess Ynez
Mark Strong as Emperor Javicco Corrino
Josh Heuston as Constantine
Chloe Lea as Lila
Jade Anouka as Sister Theodosia
Faoileann Cunningham as Sister Jen
Aoife Hinds as Sister Emeline
Chris Mason as Keiran Atreides
Shalom Brune-Franklin as Mikaela
Flora Montgomery as Truthsayer Vera
Tessa Bonham Jones as Lady Shannon Richese
Laura Howard as Orla Richese

[Medulla Oblongata]

It's well known by now that the current Dr Who series is infused with progressive queerness, driving many long-time fans to drop the show.

I'm bored by it and really put off by the whole in-your-face smugness under which it is jammed down the viewers psyche. "Why don’t you let your favorite show teach you something new, like it has already done?"

Jessica Jones had a trans actor in a recurring role. But she was just "there", there was no shoving your face in it like your were a bad dog that shit on the floor.

The drag queen playing the villian:

"When straight fans complain about any kind of progressive step that Doctor Who takes, I just think how ridiculous they seem, because they love this show that’s [run] by a queer writer who is a prolific voice for our generation. The fact that they could complain about it, it’s obviously not your favorite show if something as small as a genderqueer character can shake your foundation of it. I’m so sick of people saying they’re a fan of a show and then getting so irate if it does something you don’t like. It’s still the same show you like, why don’t you listen to it rather than put up your barriers? Why don’t you let your favorite show teach you something new, like it has already done?"

https://www.gamesradar.com/entertainment/sci-fi-shows/doctor-who-jinkx-monsoon-progressive-inclusive-queer-interview-exclusive/

Substitue a few words and it becomes a hate crime almost:

"When non-Christian fans complain about any kind of evangelistic step that Doctor Who takes, I just think how ridiculous they seem, because they love this show that’s [run] by a Catholic writer who is a prolific voice for our generation. The fact that they could complain about it, it’s obviously not your favorite show if something as small as an openly Catholic character can shake your foundation of it. I’m so sick of people saying they’re a fan of a show and then getting so irate if it does something you don’t like. It’s still the same show you like, why don’t you listen to it rather than put up your barriers? Why don’t you let your favorite show teach you something new, like it has already done?"

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

These same people trying to minimize the insertion of genderspecials for brazenly ideological purposes are the same ones bragging behind the scenes when they think only the insiders are watching that Disney’s given them the green light for a “not-so-secret gay agenda” to “insert queerness everywhere.”

Not to mention the pretentious delusions of grandeur such as being "a prolific voice for our generation."

Forget the subject replacement, just don’t let these people gaslight you on this shit. Literally nothing they state should be taken at face value.

[Super Scary]

That's not the same thing. The people that boycotted Bud Light weren't doing it because transgender people love Bud Light so much. It was because Budweiser thought it was a good idea try and squeeze politics into their branding.

[JesseAz]

And then went and insulted their primary consumer base during an interview.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Why don’t you ask the people who boycotted Bud Light over an ad campaign that wasn’t even directed at them?

LOL at this fucking smokescreen. Normalizing a freak like Dylan Mulvaney is part and parcel of the entire ESG marketing strategy. It isn’t any different when Hollywood commies tell their conservative audience, “These movies aren’t meant for you!”, and then get pissed when those potential customers abandon not just the movie, but the entire brand.

chemtard and his lefty boos:
“LOL, why are you getting so mad, chuds? Just don’t buy the product!”
::chuds proceed to not by the product::
“Why are you not continuing to consoooooooooooome this product over an ad campaign that wasn’t even directed at you?”

Sort of like modern women who tell men "Don't approach us, you creeps!" and then release a bunch of TikTok videos asking "Why don't men approach us anymore?" when men give them what they said they wanted.

[damikesc]

"Why don’t you ask the people who boycotted Bud Light over an ad campaign that wasn’t even directed at them?"

Nobody thought BL was a good beer.

"It is the perfect drink for somebody who does not want beer but wants a lot of it"

[Medulla Oblongata]

I think a lot of people would have just said "Meh." at Bud Light's queer escapade. But when the VP of marketing comes out with

"We had this hangover, I mean Bud Light had been kind of a brand of fratty, kind of out of touch humor, and it was really important that we had another approach," she said.

After the host asked Heinerscheid about how her background, perspective, and values impacted the Bud Light brand, the Bud Light vice president said, "I’m a businesswoman, I had a really clear job to do when I took over Bud Light, and it was ‘This brand is in decline, it’s been in a decline for a really long time, and if we do not attract young drinkers to come and drink this brand there will be no future for Bud Light.’"

She added further that she had a "super clear" mandate that "to evolve and elevate this incredibly iconic brand." She said that what she "brought" to the brand was a "belief" that to evolve and elevate means to incorporate "inclusivity, it means shifting the tone, it means having a campaign that’s truly inclusive, and feels lighter and brighter and different, and appeals to women and to men."

[chemjeff radical individualist]

That's not quite how I remember things.

The way I recall, FIRST it was the outrage that Bud Light dared to include a transgender person in a marketing campaign. THEN, later, it was the revelation of these statements by the VP to rationalize their hate as something other than transphobia.

And EVEN STILL, did you actually read what this VP said? She wasn't trying to take Bud Light *away* from anyone, she was trying to grow the customer base by appealing to more people. But there were evidently too many conservative snowflakes out there who had their personal identity wrapped up with a shitty beer that they could not stand sharing "their beer" with some tranny.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

"“We had this hangover, I mean Bud Light had been kind of a brand of fratty, kind of out of touch humor,"

Yeah, this isn't insulting to the existing customer base at all...

[Stuck in California]

The video of her giving the interview seals it.

She hates me. She hates people like me. She parrots all of the anti-me rhetoric that was so prevalent at the time and has the worst body language. She's a narcissist who thinks I'm beneath contempt.

Yeah, pisswater beer is ubiquitous. I can get something else of the same or better quality off the same shelf, for the same price. Why would I give money to the company that hates me?

[Medulla Oblongata]

Yes, first a few wackadoos get pissed off about the trannie. But a lot of the people who got mad got mad only later, only after being insulted by the VP of marketing. Something along the lines of "Yeah, I didn't care for the trannie cans ads, but not so much that I was going to say let alone do anything about it. But then VP flapped her gums and that really pissed me off. So fuck them, I can stop drinking their pisswater."

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

She wasn’t trying to take Bud Light *away* from anyone, she was trying to grow the customer base by appealing to more people.

Yeah, this has been the go-to excuse for a while now--crap on your core customer base while claiming that you need to "grow your brand" to be "inclusive of new voices." The same stupid shit that's hollowing out Disney, Marvel/DC comics, the video game industry, etc.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

Jeff remembers it the way he wants to.

[Randy Sax]

Read The Sneetches.

[sarcasmic]

What is the psychology behind a person not disliking something for its (bad) merits, but because the people they hate like it? I’ll never understand that mindset.

Tribalism. People don't want to be shunned.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

So that's why you do it?

[Mother's Lament]

Sarcasmic's the Team Blue medicine man and firewater taster.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Yup, politics nowadays, at least on a mass society level, isn't about policies or principles or ideology, it is about group identity and lifestyle. If you identify as "tolerant" and "caring" then you are a Democrat. If you identify as "patriotic" and "moral" then you are a Republican.

[Don't look at me!]

Fucking simpleton.

[Mother's Lament]

Everything is tropes and easily digestible narratives for these guys.

[JesseAz]

Look at your group identity based on who you retweet.

https://x.com/chemjeff

Do you and sarc just lie to yourselves?

[sarcasmic]

What is interesting is how people change their beliefs to fit the tribal narrative. For example ten years ago Republicans stood for economic liberty, and now they stand for economic protectionism. Individuals who did not change their stance on economics have been labeled RINOS and leftists, and are no longer welcome in the tribe.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Because it never was about policy or principle. In hindsight that is why Reagan was so successful. He was able to tap into a gauzy feeling of patriotism among the people, that if they voted for him, they were supporting America. That is what Trump tries to do too, but in a much more mean-spirited and xenophobic way. The tribalism that we see now is just the emergence out in the open of what was always lurking under the surface.

[JesseAz]

Reagan also implemented protectionary tariffs. Weird.

Have you or sarc ever read an actual history book?

What do you think was the 2nd part of the 86 Amnesty deal Jeff?

[JesseAz]

Thats a lot of united bald assertions buddy.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

It’s become his specialty.

[damikesc]

"For example ten years ago Republicans stood for economic liberty, and now they stand for economic protectionism."

Something is tried and does not work out as expected.

Suire, never change opinions or beliefs.

[sarcasmic]

Except that the case for protectionism is based upon ignorance, fallacies and lies.

I still shake my head at the cognitive dissonance on display by anti-tax GOPers who get angry at people who say taxing imports is not the path to prosperity.

[JesseAz]

Every president in history has utilized tariffs. What changed dummy?

Don't waste your remaining brain cells shaking your head. Your singular focus on tariffs that is dwarfed by costs for both domestic regulations and global theft just shows you dont care about the actual subject, just the talking point.

[Medulla Oblongata]

If you have always believed that everyone should play by the same rules…that would have gotten you labeled a radical 50 years ago, a liberal 25 years ago, and a racist today. [Thomas Sowell]

[Mickey Rat]

Except there is very little that is tolerant or caring or even rational about what Democrats are pushing. It is hate driven and ideologically conformist to a startling degree. See the insane reaction to Harisson Butker's speech at Benedictine College.

[sarcasmic]

That's because tolerance means not tolerating intolerance. Caring means not caring about people who don't care. Inclusion means excluding anyone who thinks differently. Equality means people who think differently are inferior. One thing the left is great at doing is redefining words to mean their opposite.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

So in your world, the people who are objecting to Butker's speech are doing so because they hate Catholicism? And it has nothing to do with, say, his insulting claim that a woman's place is in the home?

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

So in your world, the people who are objecting to Butker’s speech are doing so because they hate Catholicism?

Yes, let's just ignore the last couple of decades of anti-Catholic animus.

And it has nothing to do with, say, his insulting claim that a woman’s place is in the home?

There's nothing insulting about such a statement. It's been that way in human societies for thousands of years. Women in the workforce isn't even a post-World War II construct, it's a post-1960s construct created entirely in the Euro-American west.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

There’s nothing insulting about such a statement.

Thank you for the Neanderthal perspective.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

That perspective lasted well beyond the Neanderthal era. Millennia, in fact. But thanks for the femtard retort, it goes well with your leftism.

[Chumby]

Current theory is the the Neanderthals extinction was largely due to the climate change caused by a super volcano eruption in present day Italy (Naples?). They were regional in Europe and western Asia. These areas all show a significant impact from the eruption after effects. Homo sapiens was spread out more including in much less affected Africa. There was some interbreeding where most non sub Saharan people have some of their DNA.

[Mickey Rat]

Yes, since you were getting people hoping death upon him, and feeling sorry for hus wife, despite the expression of devotion and gratitude towards her by him in the speech.

And all your second question is telling me is that you do not know what Butker said, or that you heard what you wanted to hear.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Yeah, it's one thing that feminists and their simps like jeff absolutely loathe, it's a woman who voluntarily chooses to be a housewife and leans on the man to be the provider, rather than being the "bad boss bitch with a great career who's a strong independent woman that don't need no man." And that's because feminism is just marxism with tits.

[JesseAz]

Jeff never read or listened to his speech. He only knows the leftist messaging about it.

[damikesc]

This is the "controversial" part:

"Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world but I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world."

This is not in the same universe as "Women's place is in the home".

[chemjeff radical individualist]

You don't see gangs of Democrats burning down Catholic churches. And by the way, who is president right now? That's right, a Catholic Democrat. It is not "hatred of Catholicism", that is just a trope that right-wingers tell themselves about left-wingers to make themselves feel better. (OF COURSE you will always find a few nuts who really do hate Catholicism in its entirety but they are the exception rather than the rule.) It is that they were insulted by Butker's remarks which he chose to cloak in his Catholic faith.

And this is what Butker said:

For the ladies present today, congratulations on an amazing accomplishment. You should be proud of all that you have achieved to this point in your young lives. I want to speak directly to you briefly because I think it is you, the women, who have had the most diabolical lies told to you, how many of you are sitting here now about to cross the stage, and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you’re going to get in your career. Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world. But I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world.

So it is a "diabolical lie" for women to choose a career-focused life, and instead they ought to be happy getting married and having children for the men in their lives. Gee, maybe some women don't want to get married? Maybe some women don't want to have children? Maybe some women are *gasp* lesbians who have no interest in making happy a man in their lives?

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

I haven’t read or listened to this speech, don’t know who Butker is and don’t care.

But, the part you quoted doesn’t equal “Women’s place is in the home”.

[Super Scary]

"don’t know who Butker is and don’t care."

Same here. I am mainly just hoping his name is pronounced “Butt-Ker” and not “Beaut-ker”.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

That’s right, a Catholic Democrat.

Modern Catholic Democrats are about as Catholic as Unitarians are Christian.

[JesseAz]

BLM riots waves to Jeff.

Dozens of attacks on pro life centers waives to Jeff.

Palestinian marches waive to Jeff.

Antifa waives to Jeff.

And like how your explanation of what he said is just a fucking narrative lol. He was speaking at a catholic college. Not a liberal standard shit school.

[Mickey Rat]

There have been some 327 incidents of arson and other forms of vandalism against Catholic churches since 2020 in the US. Somebody is doing that. There was mass grave hoax at Catholic schools which served indigenous communities in Canada that was propped up by the Trudeau government which led to some 80 plus Catholic Churches being burned.

Yes, the Catholic Church is hated by the Left, and nominal Catholic Democrat politicians like Biden and Pelosi who publically denounce politically incorrect Catholic beliefs at every opportunity are not evidence to the contrary.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

There have been some 327 incidents of arson and other forms of vandalism against Catholic churches since 2020 in the US. Somebody is doing that.

Yes. By a few nuts who truly hate Catholicism. That they express their hatred of Catholicism by vandalizing churches is wrong and ought to be condemned. And if you are going to try to pin every extremist act taken by someone vaguely left-of-center as "the fault of the Democrats", then I'll be sure to pin every extremist act taken by someone vaguely right-of-center as "the fault of the Republicans".

Yes, the Catholic Church is hated by the Left, and nominal Catholic Democrat politicians like Biden and Pelosi who publically denounce politically incorrect Catholic beliefs at every opportunity are not evidence to the contrary.

You can't have it both ways. If "the Left" is as militantly anti-Catholic as you claim, then how do people like Biden and Pelosi get elected by left-wing electorates? It's not because of "anti-Catholicism", it is because they disagree with certain parts of Catholic doctrine that you label as "politically incorrect". Believe it or not, it is possible for a person to be a devout Catholic but disagree with the Pope on a few issues, JUST LIKE it is possible for a person to be a member of any congregation but disagree with the pastor/rabbi/imam on a few issues. Heck, there are entire sub-congregations of Catholics (Jesuits, Franciscans, Dominicans) who disagree with each other on some doctrinal issues but they all consider themselves devout Catholics.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

"then I’ll be sure to pin every extremist act taken by someone vaguely right-of-center as “the fault of the Republicans”."

You already do.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

You don’t see gangs of Democrats burning down Catholic churches.

::Gets cited over 300 instances of arson and vandalism::

"LOL, that's just a few fringe cases, nothing serious!"

[Chumby]

Mostly peaceful arsonists.

[Mother's Lament]

"Yes. By a few nuts who truly hate Catholicism."

At least 327, and that doesn't count all the protestant churches you guys torch or wreck.

The Democratic party will brook no other religion than its own.

[Mother's Lament]

When you factor in protestant churches:

Incidents of arson, vandalism and other hostile acts against U.S. churches rose to at least 436 last year, more than double the number recorded in 2022

436 "few nuts" in 2022.

[Mother's Lament]

"You don’t see gangs of Democrats burning down Catholic churches."

Except for all the fucking time:

Arson, Vandalism, and Other Destruction at Catholic Churches in the United States

"At least 327 incidents have occurred across 43 states and the District of Columbia since May 2020."

And Canada too:

The Burning of Canada’s Churches

At least 56 churches in the first half of 2021, and only two ruled accidental.

[TheReEncogitationer]

And I was present at exactly none.

And judging by the number of Atheists in U.S. Prisons (.05 percent of the prison population) I doubt any other Atheists were involved here either.

[David Perry]

Hmm, is that because atheists never commit crimes or commit crimes at a much lower rate, or people who have been sentenced to prison abandon atheism? Was that .05% number an entry number or generic slice in time number?

[Truthfulness]

^ Turns out conversions are rather common in prisons, particularly to Islam:
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2012/03/22/prison-chaplains-perspectives/

Over 10% are said to have no religious preference either, which makes it very likely that TheReEncogitationer's numbers lack credibility.

[JesseAz]

The people objecting to his speech are idiot useful idiot leftists like yourself who never actually read or listened to his speech and just repeat the narrative. His speech was regarding his own marriage and life but you ignorant leftists lied and said he demanded all women stay at home. He never said that.

[TheReEncogitationer]

Given the present Stagflation and Statist controlled economy and the financial jack needed to afford a Traditionalist family one-income-earner-Dad, stay-at-home-Mom lifestyle, all I can say is: Nice work if you can get it.

And given that the life of marriage is more unsafe than a Seventies Corvair, all I can say is: Keep your reserve chute packed.

Have at it if you can, but not for me or a whole bunch of other people.

[JesseAz]

And don't really care as it doesn't apply to the conversation here.

[damikesc]

"And it has nothing to do with, say, his insulting claim that a woman’s place is in the home?"

Nothing he said was even close to that. Stop being a lazy leftist hack.

You can find the speech. Link to where he said that.

[Medulla Oblongata]

I find no such claim in the transcript I read. Indeed the only reference to "in the home" is for men:

To the gentlemen here today: Part of what plagues our society is this lie that has been told to you that men are not necessary in the home or in our communities. As men, we set the tone of the culture, and when that is absent, disorder, dysfunction, and chaos set in. This absence of men in the home is what plays a large role in the violence we see all around the nation. Other countries do not have nearly the same absentee father rates as we find here in the U.S., and a correlation could be made in their drastically lower violence rates, as well.

Perhaps you want to twist what he actually said about women, and his wife into something other than what he actually said?

For the ladies present today, congratulations on an amazing accomplishment. You should be proud of all that you have achieved to this point in your young lives. I want to speak directly to you briefly because I think it is you, the women, who have had the most diabolical lies told to you. How many of you are sitting here now about to cross this stage and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you are going to get in your career? Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world, but I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world.

I can tell you that my beautiful wife, Isabelle, would be the first to say that her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother. I'm on the stage today and able to be the man I am because I have a wife who leans into her vocation. I'm beyond blessed with the many talents God has given me, but it cannot be overstated that all of my success is made possible because a girl I met in band class back in middle school would convert to the faith, become my wife, and embrace one of the most important titles of all: homemaker.

[Applause lasting 18 seconds]

She is a primary educator to our children. She is the one who ensures I never let football or my business become a distraction from that of a husband and father. She is the person that knows me best at my core, and it is through our marriage that, Lord willing, we will both attain salvation.

Here I thought that one of the highlights of feminism was that women could be free to choose their life's path for themselves. It's apparently offensive, though, when one of them chooses to live as a homemaker.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

And by the way, do you think it is "patriotic" and "moral" to trash the US Capitol in order to try to overturn the results of an election?

[sarcasmic]

Because the election was stolen you dumb shit! The dearth of evidence is proof that there was a conspiracy!

[JesseAz]

You have been given plenty of evidence. You just ignore it and scream to trust the state. The state being who has full control for what you demand.

[Mother's Lament]

The dearth of evidence

There's a mountain of evidence but every time someone here shows you it, you change the subject.

[sarcasmic]

A mountain of bullshit is more like it. "They didn't let us look over there, but if we did we would find what we're looking for" isn't evidence. "They threw out the court case on standing" isn't evidence either.

[Medulla Oblongata]

“They threw out the court case on standing” isn’t evidence either.

Nor is it demonstrative of any facts either way. Cases thrown out on standing cannot be held up a proof that plaintiffs' claims are without merit.

[sarcasmic]

Nor are they proof of merit.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

LOL, your lefty boos bombed that building twice, you're in no position to ride a high horse about anything.

[JesseAz]

What is good or moral locking up 1200 non violent protestors for over a year just because you hate them Jeff?

[Super Scary]

They like Trump and Jeff hates Trump, so it's fine to hate them. In fact, they deserve it.

[Mother's Lament]

Not Nazis or a particularly brutal mullah though. Jeff and Sarc have reliably informed me that it's wrong to hate them.

[Medulla Oblongata]

It’s (D)ifferent. Those mostly peaceful protesters are on the wrong side, if they had been on the side burning down cities, they'd be free right now.

[Medulla Oblongata]

No more so than I think burning down large swaths of cities and looting stores is in anyway helpful in protesting the death of a petty criminal, even if it was at the hands of some cops.

[Nobartium]

Sure, if you reject the premise of "eternal government".

After all, that assumes that it cannot change.

[American Mongrel]

Ask all the little bitches that complain about "sportsball".
Or the tards that whine about "bronze age sky daddy cults" well into their 40s.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Oh, now we know why so many people here yesterday were claiming that the FBI was authorized to assassinate Trump during the raid. It's because that is what Trump himself claimed.

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-fbi-marjorie-taylor-greene-assassination-b2549342.html

Why do so many of you just accept whatever Trump says as truth without even a miniscule amount of fact-checking?

[JesseAz]

No. It is based on the released court documents whose citations you were given you absolute lying fuck.

You even responded to the evidence you fat lying leftist fuck.

https://reason.com/2024/05/21/israel-raids-the-associated-press-and-seizes-equipment-over-war-coverage/?comments=true#comment-10569586

Bookmarked to show how you lie so freely.

[JesseAz]

Lol. Just read it. Jeff is pushing the FBI response to the claims. Uncritically.

Trust the government right Jeff? Raids on former presidents is just standard operating procedure?

[Zeb]

I read the document that was posted and I have to say it just looks like standard boilerplate stuff to me. And seems like a reasonable rundown of when deadly force is and isn't justified. Any FBI raid is going to have armed agents involved. And presumably, since the FBI really likes paperwork, there is always a similar document for any operation involving armed agents.
If I'm wrong about this and there is something unusual about it, then I'll reconsider, but as far as I can see at this point there is no reason to think that it isn't just SOP stuff. The real problem is that they wanted to do an armed raid at all.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

That is exactly what it was. The agents were authorized to use deadly force only in self-defense. It was never anything like "shoot Trump on sight".

And the Trump campaign people absolutely know this. But because they have a narrative to push, they instead twist the truth into "they tried to assassinate me!!!!" You know what? Fine, that is what campaigns do. They twist and spin and distort the truth, because that is their job, to get their candidate elected.

But a large number of people around here, they just accept this Trump campaign spin AS FACT and don't even bother to look into his claims at all. Why? Why do so many people around here just accept his claims uncritically?

[JesseAz]

The forms did not say only on self defense dumbass.

Nobody said it was an order to shoot on sight. Those are lies you tell now because you denied the evidence yesterday.

For someone who is against every police raid, you sure are defending an armed raid this time. Weird.

[sarcasmic]

Why do so many people around here just accept his claims uncritically?

Unless he didn't really mean what he said.

[JesseAz]

They didn’t accept his claims retard. They posted the evidence the court released. How the fuck do you and Jeff lie about the source of the material?

FBI isn't denying the fucking claims you retarded fucks. They are now claiming it is SOP. You and Jeff were denying the claims last night.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

True true. Like when he said he wanted to be dictator for a day. That part can't be taken seriously. Duh!

[JesseAz]

See. This is why you're a broken leftist fuck. Anyone who watched the video uncritically understood it was a fucking joke. It is obvious to anyone without TDS or doesn't watch MSNBC. But you UNCRITICALLY use the lefts narratives.

[sarcasmic]

Like when he says immigrant vermin are poisoning the blood of the nation, or when his advisor Tom Homan said using the military to round up 11,000,000 illegals and put them in concentration camps is a viable option. That was figurative and not to be taken seriously.

[JesseAz]

And sarc rushed back to the Trump and Hitler comparisons while claiming he doesn't do it.

[Mother's Lament]

It's funny that they still have you on mute, because you hand them their asses so effectively, yet they still talk like they're "winning".

[Super Scary]

I'm like 80% sure some people here don't understand that muting someone doesn't do it for everyone.

[sarcasmic]

Only if you believe that personal attacks refute arguments.

[sarcasmic]

I’m like 80% sure some people here don’t understand that muting someone doesn’t do it for everyone.

ML says that muting people is censorship. I should have done a Jesse and bookmarked it because I know he'll lie and claim he never said that.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

You really do have a terrible and terminal case of TDS there, Sarc.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

You forgot to include the bloodbath one.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

" round up 11,000,000 illegals and put them in concentration camps"

Will these differ from the obama-era ones?

[JesseAz]

Remember sarc screaming not to say concentration camps when Australia literally was doing this with covid?

[Mother's Lament]

"Remember sarc screaming not to say concentration camps when Australia literally was doing this with covid?"

[Medulla Oblongata]

Except that's not really what he said.

“He says, ‘You’re not going to be a dictator, are you?’ I said: ‘No, no, no, other than day one. We’re closing the border, and we’re drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I’m not a dictator.’”

[chemjeff radical individualist]

But it does seem like, more and more, the pro-Trump crowd around here are behaving less as Trump defenders per se, and more like Trump campaign operatives. Meaning, that they see it as their job to get Trump elected and when Trump says something cringe or stupid, they will act like the campaign and try to spin and deflect away from it. They are pro-Trump-campaign, not necessarily reflexive Trump defenders.

[JesseAz]

You and sarc are leftists trying to help Dark Brandon. Remember how you posted that Jeffrey?

Meanwhile both of you continue to make excuses for any abuse directed at conservatives or Trump. Often applauding the government abuse.

[Medulla Oblongata]

Trump is an egomaniacal blowhard of questionable intelligence and demonstrated poor taste.

Still about 8000x better than Joe Biden.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

Isn't it already understood that agents would have the right to self-defense if attacked? Why the need for a document stating this?

[damikesc]

"The agents were authorized to use deadly force only in self-defense."

Can you link to the "ONLY IN SELF-DEFENSE" part? Because it is not in the documents released.

Fact is: Biden was neck-deep in the records thing from the get-go. From day fucking one. And his AG was authorizing an assassination of Trump "if needed".

And you defend it.

Thanks, Adolf.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

https://reason.com/2024/05/21/israel-raids-the-associated-press-and-seizes-equipment-over-war-coverage/?comments=true#comment-10569591

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Can you link to the “ONLY IN SELF-DEFENSE” part? Because it is not in the documents released.

Yes it is.

“Law enforcement officers of the Department of Justice may use deadly force only when necessary, that is, when the officer has a reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the officer or to another person.”

[JesseAz]

Since when does “when necessary” get defined as “only in self defense?”

[Zeb]

https://x.com/julie_kelly2/status/1792972717781586109/photo/1

Though it isn't only self defense, but also defense of others.

[Mother's Lament]

"It was never anything like “shoot Trump on sight”.

Look at you move those goalposts, you fucking weasel.

Exactly nobody had said anything about shoot on sight, but liars have to lie, huh?

And no. Nothing said self-defense either.

[JesseAz]

They have had a few interviews with FBI agents on interviews who have stated this is not standard boilerplate. The clauses get added based on the subject and intention of the raid.

Likewise the raid itself was not standard boilerplate as the Trump team was working with NARA as you can see in the above Julie Kelly RCI article. Note raids were not conducted on either Joe or Pence.

Nominally a search can be done without armed intrusion. Garland CHOSE the template that allowed for an unannounced visit. He CHOSE to use this form. It is not the only choice he had.

Likewise, even if it is boilerplate in the link I provided from Jeff last night he is arguing it didn't happen. Here is is just changing his narrative now that the media has. Should armed allowance be SOP?

[damikesc]

"They have had a few interviews with FBI agents on interviews who have stated this is not standard boilerplate. The clauses get added based on the subject and intention of the raid."

Hell, jeffy might need to explain if this is boilerplate, why it is so uncommon in these orders. Heck, why does it even need to be MENTIONED? Authorities are never forbidden from returning fire. Not once.

So why spell it out with that document?

[JesseAz]

And why did the government and Jack Smith fight to keep this hidden.

[Don't look at me!]

The real problem is that they wanted to do an armed raid at all.

This.

[JesseAz]

Also…

“The Order contained a ‘Policy Statement’ regarding ‘Use Of Deadly Force,’ which stated, for example, ‘Law enforcement officers of the Department of Justice may use deadly force when necessary …’,” according to the filing. “The agents planned to bring ‘Standard Issue Weapon[s],’ ‘Ammo,’ ‘Handcuffs,’ and ‘medium and large sized bolt cutters,’ but they were instructed to wear ‘unmarked polo or collared shirts’ and to keep ‘law enforcement equipment concealed.’”

Does this sound like SOP to you Zeb?

Or…

“Should [former President of the United States] arrive at [Mar-a-Lago], FBI MM EM and OSCs will be prepared to engage with FPOTUS and USSS Security Team,” read a “Contingencies” list from the filing. (MM may be a reference to the Miami FBI office, and OSC appears to refer to the office of Special Counsel Jack Smith.) The list also included instructions in case the Secret Service were to “provide resistance or interfere with FBI timeline or accesses.”

Is that boilerplate Zeb?

[damikesc]

Given that the documents in the WH are likely long gone, this is likely wishful thinking --- but I look forward to Trump declassifying EVERYTHING Biden and his goons did and subjecting them to legal punishments.

And, since the incident occurred in FL, going thru DC is not going to be needed.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

I have succumbed to the same wishful thinking. But I'm afraid we're past the point of no return. Trump will have to be assassinated. They are really out of options at this point. If by some miracle he is elected and actually takes office the whole house of cards will collapse.

[sarcasmic]

If Trump is assassinated it will likely result in a civil war. So I really doubt anyone on the inside is going to do that.

[Don't look at me!]

Yes, our government never allowed a civil war before.

[Zeb]

I am talking only about the use of force document. Which sounds like SOP (or what SOP should be) for any armed raid. I totally agree that the whole situation is outrageous and selective prosecution. All I'm saying is given that there was a raid (which was unnecessary and bad) the use of force document seems pretty normal and appropriate. The problem is that the raid itself was not appropriate and the whole thing looks more and more like a setup.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

But just look at how unhinged the Trump defenders have become over this. If you don’t agree with them that that document proves that it was orders from Biden himself to send the FBI to assassinate Trump, that makes you “Adolf”.

That's the problem. They can't just disagree with those they oppose. They have to take it all the way to eleventy. On all the things, all the time. They can't just stop with "the raid was an inappropriate use of the FBI against a former president". They have to go all the way to BIDEN'S ASSASSINATION SQUAD.

[JesseAz]

Unhinged? We are the ones quoting the sourced documents while you justify it dumbass. Tell us how an armed raid was required. Tell us how it was SOP. Explain to us why this was never done against Joe, Pence Obama or others.

I get you need to protect and defend the dem ran unaccountable state. No matter the abuse against political opponents.

Trump was working with NARA. SOP is not to raid the house of a former president. SOP is not to facilitate a reason for the raid.

Yet you continue to defend it. Youre an authoritarian statist jeff.

[sarcasmic]

But just look at how unhinged the Trump defenders have become over this.

Those "IF YOU AREN'T OUTRAGED YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION" bumper stickers aren't just for Prius owners anymore.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

You sure talk a lot about bumper stickers.

[JesseAz]

He finally got his first used car.

[American Mongrel]

They think their unhinged bullying is an effective political strategy because of its success when employed by the left over the last 30ish years.
It is also trump's style and he won in 2016.
Their only opposition are people that try to use the same bullying tactics.
They also have the numbers to pull it off on this particular forum.

It is what it is. Democracy where speech is free and cheap.

[JesseAz]

Please don't fall into Jeff's trappings and pretend the outrage is over a single element of the entirety if the discussion.

And as said prior, there are ways to go about this that doesn't require use of force even with a raid. The FBI was free to coordinate a search like they did with Joe's house. Letting lawyers on both sides be present. Armed instructions are not required for what they attempted.

[Zeb]

The whole thing is outrageous. I just think it is important to be critical in how we interpret things and not read things into particular documents that are not there. The raid was unnecessary and obviously primarily a stunt to make Trump look bad. That's the problem, not that once they decided to do it they made contingency plans and produced documents relating to use of force.

[Mother's Lament]

“the use of force document seems pretty normal and appropriate.”

Zeb, they were raiding the home of a FPOTUS for some paperwork and potentially going up against the USSS. This isn't a drug bust and there's no physical risk. How the hell is authorizing deadly force “appropriate”.

I need this explained.

[Zeb]

I think I've explained it several times. Given that there was a raid, deadly force was on the table. That's the nature of raids. The problem is that there was a raid at all, not that the raid had the documentation to go with it that you would expect in an FBI raid.
I'm just responding to some reactions I've seen to the use of force guidelines document that make it seem like it is some outrageous thing by itself and some great new revelation when it's just a predictable part of the outrageous thing that everyone already knew about, i.e. that they decided to raid a former president like this rather than just arranging a meeting with an archivist to go over what documents were there.

[Mother's Lament]

Raids are treated differently for different things, Zeb. This was never ever going to be a routine or "standard" raid.

Routine raids aren't concerned with the FBI fighting the Secret Service. The Attorney General does not sign off on routine raids. The White House is not consulted on routine raids.

Everything about this was extraordinary.

They had to option not to authorize deadly force against the FPOTUS and the Secret Service, but they EXPLICITLY went ahead and did anyway.

[Zeb]

I agree. I was just commenting narrowly on one of the documents.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

The document is standard boilerplate. What isn't standard is that it's inclusion anticipates the possibility of armed conflict in the home of a former president who is protected by the secret service. The DOJ's response to far more agregious violation's by Biden, who never had declassification authority, is standard. No use of force document required. His attorney's were trusted to gather the documents without FBI involvement.

[Zeb]

I agree. There's a lot of fucked up stuff there.

[Chumby]

Facts change. Fatso’s narrative doesn’t.

[Don't look at me!]

Lying jeffy is an apt name.

[damikesc]

The judge released the documents that SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT.

Fuck, you're as bad as pluggo.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

So here is the current split in the Republican Party on abortion.

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/21/1252320298/abortion-republicans-abolitionist-ivf

On the one hand, you have people genuinely believe life begins at conception and wants to ban ALL abortion, AND want to ban IVF. After all, if you really truly believe all life begins at conception, then IVF really is just a form of slavery and it ought to be banned.

And then you have the people who are opposed to abortion not because they consistently believe life begins at conception per se, but primarily because they think abortion enables immoral behavior. So this crowd is fine with exceptions due to rape and incest, even though those abortions also “kill babies”, because for this crowd, the primary reason to ban abortion isn’t really to save life, it is to punish immoral behavior. If slutty women do slutty things, abortion enables them to escape the consequences of their sluttiness, so abortion for them should be banned. On the other hand, abortion for the victims of rape and incest is permissible because the women here aren’t sluts and not doing immoral things, they are the victims of crime. Same deal with IVF. The couples pursuing IVF aren’t immoral sluts, in fact as Ted Cruz said, they are “pro-family”! See, they are good people, not immoral sluts, and so IVF for them should be permitted.

[Don't look at me!]

You are really bad at this.

[Dillinger]

hey! this guy gets it ...

[Mother's Lament]

I sometimes wonder if he actually believes this stuff himself.

[Chumby]

You are really bad at this everything.

FTFY

[JesseAz]

Did Katie Hill give you this talking point?

[damikesc]

It is nice that you are citing an organization with zero Republicans working there about what Republicans think about things.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

So am I wrong? If so, how?

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

LOL, you're citing a media company run by an ideological marxist who finds free speech problematic because it allows people to openly question her ideology. Absolutely nothing NPR states needs to be taken at face value.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

I'm talking about my argument. Is it wrong? If so, how?

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

LOL, it isn't your argument, you're just parroting NPRs. And anything NPR states need not be taken at face value.

[American Mongrel]

For you to be as far off as you are, you've had to ignore a lot of people for a very long time. Why would anybody waste their time typing out a sincere response for you to completely disregard?

[chemjeff radical individualist]

I don't think it's far off. I think you are just trying to gaslight instead.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

It presents a false alternative?

[damikesc]

You have zero evidence you are correct, for starters.

NPR does not have Republicans on staff. Their knowledge of Republican thought is virtually nil.

[Medulla Oblongata]

I tend to think that NPR didn't actually conduct any interviews with Republicans to ask them their actual opinions on these matters. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

As such, NPRs commentary is most likely projection or wishful thinking geared toward demonization of the other.

[EISTAU Gree-Vance]

Yawn.

Are you telling people what they think?

[A Cynical Asshole]

...

The War on Birth Control That Wasn't

You know the most effective form of birth control? Writing some stupid political slogan on your forehead.

[Chumby]

Not sure Gen Z males have yet learned to never stick it in crazy. Though their beta tendencies may negate the potential for many to smash with a woman.

[Zeb]

"Don't stick it in crazy" isn't a viable option for a lot of people. Just make sure it's the right kind of crazy.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Based on recent trends, Zoomer males appear to be learning that hooking up with modern women is a no-win proposition. It's not really an accident that this generation is seeing the males become more right-wing as the women become more left-wing.

[damikesc]

It is why so many women HATE the "passport bros".

Cannot imagine why men would want a feminine woman and not the boss bitches that the West churns out so regularly.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Yeah, but even the passport bros need to watch out. There's plenty of horror stories out there about guys hooking up with foreign women and then getting taken to the cleaners, especially if they come back to the US.

[Mike Parsons]

"Zoomer males appear to be learning that hooking up with modern women is a no-win proposition"

Well, except for the zoomers learning that if you are a Chad with a good bank account and good looks, you pretty much have your pick of all of the "modern women" who dont want kids and want to focus on their careers to fuck as they please with dating apps (as these women have status and looks desires that rule out a large portion of the opposite sex from go), use em, then lose em. Its actually creating an abysmal dating market for women themselves as well. Had a buddy that was extremely fit, very good looking, and also a highly paid professional who told me multiple times dating had gotten flat out boring as on any given night he could open up tinder and fuck the hottest girl he could find on the app that night without the slightest bit of difficulty. He honestly missed the challenge. But any of the modern boss bitches he fucked he wouldn't consider having an actual relationship with for a second. Ended up with a smoking hot 10/10 stay at home wife who had an M.R.S degree and stays home with the kids full time.

Fighting against natural forces such as evolution is turning out to be a loser for everyone involved.

[Chumby]

Those alpha widowed women turn out to be wine spinsters as they approach then pass the wall in their 30s. They have a degree and a career ,but nothing enjoyable at home unless you count a premium Netflix account. They may try to baby make with a beta male, but can’t get beyond themselves. Alphas and sigmas avoid them like the plague. Particularly when their babies rabies kicks in. That juice ain’t worth the squeeze. At that stage, getting them into their feminine isn’t too challenging but keeping them there feels like punishment.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Those alpha widowed women turn out to be wine spinsters as they approach then pass the wall in their 30s. They have a degree and a career ,but nothing enjoyable at home unless you count a premium Netflix account.

I'm acquaintances with a woman who lived the "bad boss bitch" life for over 20 years as a lawyer with a pretty successful career. Rarely dated and obviously never had kids. Went on a lot of vacations.

Now that she's approaching 50, she's trying to date, but none of the men she talks with on dating sites ever want to get past the "pen pal" state with her. And that's because they realize that she's already married to her career, and have no interest in being her side piece from her job. So now that she's decided there's this hole in her life she wants to fill, she can't find a man who's willing to play the "supportive husband" role in the drama of her life.

[Mother's Lament]

"and have no interest in being her side piece from her job."

And even worse she probably only wants men at least as successful as her if not more so, and finding one of those who wants a 50+ wife who is married to her job is like finding a unicorn.

[Chumby]

Mega Chad the 54 year old lawyer that is fit and grounded isn’t looking for a 50-something or even 40-something career woman. He’s banging 9s and 10s in their 20s and 30s.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Yup. An ex of mine managed to luck out and latch on to a divorced father with a decent house in the suburbs when she was 38. She realizes how fortunate she is at this point and isn't going anywhere.

Her status is just way too high to get the kind of man she thinks she deserves, because those men are going to be hooking up with hot girls in their late 20s and early 30s.

[Mike Parsons]

The harsh reality is they spent their entire life building up stats that men aren't interested in and dont care much about. And the time they used to do that was the prime time men are interested in. And both of these tend to repel the men they are actually interested in

[Mike Parsons]

The Chad I mentioned above wrecked a few girls lives. One specifically had a husband that she clearly didn't respect status-wise (she was a successful lawyer, her husband a teacher), in her work she encountered Chad a good bit, ended up regularly cheating on her husband with him, which lead to divorce. Her husband wasn't even a bad looking dude, but Chad was an extremely successful lawyer.

He continued to fuck her on the side occasionally, but ended up stopping that when she got too attached. She is now in her late 30's wanting kids and is having trouble on the dating market, imagine that (and she is honestly pretty hot)

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I'll bet that first couple met in college and she happened to get the law degree, so she was looking to trade up.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

Have you put her in touch with chemjeff? I bet they'd hit it off.

[Vernon Depner]

Jeff is only interested in women with young sons.

[Zeb]

Being the house spouse to some woman making good money sounds pretty OK to me. Having a job and making the money is getting pretty old. The drama I don't need though.

[Chumby]

Hypergamy suggests that won’t end well. Knew someone recently that decided to retire at about 55 while his STEM wife made decent money. Now former wife. Good women don’t want a man child. Controlling women may pit up with a beta botch at home, but won’t respect them and will smash other dudes on the side.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Being the house spouse to some woman making good money sounds pretty OK to me.

That seems pretty awesome at first blush, but the reality is that high status women will constantly be looking to trade up after she gets bored with you.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Chads have always had access to pussy, no matter what era. The difference is that now most of the women are competing for the very small pool of Chads, while swiping by the other 90% because those guys supposedly don't meet their very strict standards.

There was a survey recently that found that most men would be happy if a woman met 80% of what they were looking for. Most women stated that 80% was too low. That's a bridge that really can't be crossed. A lot of women are rejecting long-term relationships with men because those men might not meet 3 or 4 of the 100-item list of qualifiers they have for a mate.

In the past, men would overlook this and try talking up a lot of women until a match happened, take out an ad in the paper, or would meet their partner through mutual friends, college, or work. More personal interaction tended to increase the chances of getting with someone. When women decided that men approaching them was creepy, the men adapted and decided to stop approaching.

On top of this, after 2.5 generations of increased divorce rates, the social maladaption that it empirically causes, and the bone-crushing experience of family courts where men tend to become indentured servants to their ex-wives, Zoomer males are starting to see marriage as a trap rather than something to pursue as part of growing into an adult. So even if women got fed up pursuing Chad and decided to be more open to dating Brad instead, now that pool has shrunk as well, and they inevitably sabotage the process anyway because the Brads don't meet a couple items on their long list of must-haves.

[Chumby]

6 foot tall
6 inch penis
6 pack abs
6 figure income

That isn’t that big of a pool.

Then mix in the 25 other prerequisites individual western women have. Not shocking why they are depressed, mad, and confused. Doesn’t help Disney, Madison Ave, and whatever the else taught 4s and 5s to believe they are 10s.

[Medulla Oblongata]

A store that sells new husbands has opened in Melbourne , where a woman may go to choose a husband. Among the instructions at the entrance is a description of how the store operates:
You may visit this store ONLY ONCE! There are six floors and the value of the products increase as the shopper ascends the flights. The shopper may choose any item from a particular floor, or may choose to go up to the next floor, but you cannot go back down except to exit the building!
So, a woman goes to the Husband Store to find a husband.
On the first floor the sign on the door reads:
Floor 1 - These men Have Jobs
She is intrigued, but continues to the second floor, where the sign reads:
Floor 2 - These men Have Jobs and Love Kids.
'That's nice,' she thinks, 'but I want more.'
So she continues upward. The third floor sign reads:
Floor 3 - These men Have Jobs, Love Kids, and are Extremely Good Looking.
'Wow,' she thinks, but feels compelled to keep going.
She goes to the fourth floor and the sign reads:
Floor 4 - These men Have Jobs, Love Kids, are Drop-dead Good Looking and Help With Housework. 'Oh, mercy me!' she exclaims, 'I can hardly stand it!'
Still, she goes to the fifth floor and the sign reads:
Floor 5 - These men Have Jobs, Love Kids, are Drop-dead Gorgeous, Help with Housework, and Have a Strong Romantic Streak.
She is so tempted to stay, but she goes to the sixth floor , where the sign reads:
Floor 6 - You are visitor 31,456,012 to this floor. There are no men on this floor. This floor exists solely as proof that women are impossible to please. Thank you for shopping at the Husband Store.
PLEASE NOTE:
To avoid gender bias charges, the store's owner opened a New Wives store just across the street.
The first floor has wives that love sex.
The second floor has wives that love sex and have money and like beer
The third, fourth, fifth & sixth floors have never been visited.

Read more on page: https://jokesoftheday.net/joke-The-Husband-Store-8211-Still-True/2017032149

[Chumby]

Pluggo wants to know if the store has a children's section.

[JesseAz]

It says loves kids on the 2nd floor.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Pluggo’s type of love for kids, not the normal type.

[Zeb]

I'm pretty close to meeting those items. But some of them are a bit harder to advertise than others.

[mad.casual]

Advertised *and* prioritized.

"I make almost double what my male peers who are of average height make, more money than 90% of people who are my height make, and I'm taller than 1/3 of the people at my salary level." translates to "All I can hear is that you aren't 6 ft. tall."

[Mike Parsons]

"Chads have always had access to pussy, no matter what era. "

The difference is now the amount of worry free, IUD having, career focused pussy that they can safely fuck (because those women have very limited options) and move on when they want has sky rocketed.

The largest imbalance is the supply of chads with good careers to the demand from career women no longer in their prime that want to "date up".

In the past, lots of these Chads would be limited by getting baby trapped by an irresistibly hot 20 something that he didnt want to wrap it for. Now theres a steady stream of hot girls in their 20s with IUDs that arent looking for a long term thing right now and are working on XYZ degree who want to have it all. These guys get free rein now with no consequences

[Chumby]

Women wanting to trap a Chad will claim to be on birth control but are not. The western court systems are not sympathetic to men whatsoever in regard to a baby carrier wanting a princess life for 18 years.

[mad.casual]

Fighting against natural forces such as evolution is turning out to be a loser for everyone involved.

Not even fighting. Trying to fool.

It’s not like we have this legion of women, the female versions of Elon Musk, Nikola Tesla, and Steve Jobs remaking women’s youth and fertility in their middle age. Instead, we’ve got billionaire female titans of industry (desperately) struggling (sorta?) to avoid looking like anime parodies of (desperate) women.

[mad.casual]

Not sure Gen Z males have yet learned to never stick it in crazy.

Dude, it's not 1988. Everybody from about the age of 13 onward has a device in their pocket by which they can view instructional videos about the crazy-hot matrix.

[Minadin]

Oh, were the butcher knife earrings not a dead giveaway?

[damikesc]

Green hair is another good tool.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Lavender appears to be the latest trend color.

[Knutsack]

I haven't read the reports. Would the turbulence have been handled better by a different airliner? Or is Boeing on the hook for turbulence now?

[Don't look at me!]

The answer my, friend, bloeing in the wind.

[Minadin]

I don't see how you can blame the aircraft manufacturer on a freak turbulence event, or for passengers not wearing their seatbelts.

I've heard at least one report that the guy who died, died of a heart attack, so it remains unclear whether it was related or coincidental.

[Longtobefree]

I would say handling a 2K foot per minute drop with no damage is a good thing.

[American Mongrel]

Yes dummie! Airbus good! Boeing tool of the uniparty cucks! Russia in donbas 4ever!

[American Mongrel]

[Well Adjusted Biden Guy]

This fucking comment board ate another post. You’d think the objectivist overlords here would run the trains on time at least.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Well, shriek, maybe if you stopped trying to post kiddie porn links your comments wouldn't get yeeted.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

Are you sure it wasn't your sticky keyboard?

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

Your post above about "fourth reich on social media" went through just fine.

[TJJ2000]

Summary; The left lies. Practically always (period).

[Dillinger]

>>Hooters discourse

All you zombies hide your faces.

[Dillinger]

>>the West's reluctance to take bolder steps to ensure that Ukraine prevails

anyone followup with "what does that look like?"

[damikesc]

Maybe Ukraine should have bribed ALL Americans and not just the Bidens.

[Dillinger]

tiny Ukrainian flags for all!

[Dillinger]

to be a fly on the wall when they were hoping gunfire would erupt @Mar-a-Lago

[Ska]

Is it just me or is the accompanying artwork a Dollar Store Barrymore?

[Dillinger]

c.1992 sure

[Dillinger]

>>"Fantasy life isn't always politically correct."

real life is never politically correct.

[American Mongrel]

Anyone else remember when that dating site used to publish data and analysis but its data was unkind to women and gays?

It was eventually scrubbed from even the wayback machine due to mgtow and other evil mens.

[Zeb]

I don't remember that, but it sounds interesting. Do you know what site it was?

[Kyle T]

Will Leitch at Intelligencer. "I think he might be the biggest New York City sports superstar at this moment since I started writing for this magazine 16 years ago."

Odd phrasing "at this moment." When he started writing 16 years ago, the Yankees had Jeter, ARod, Clemens, Rivera, Pettitte, and Mussina, as NYC sports superstars.

Brunson bigger than Jeter? No.

Still odd to phrase "at this moment."

[Dillinger]

Will Attempts Sports

[mad.casual]

I thought it was [chef's kiss] sports reporting.
Actors: Look good. Speak clearly.
Newscasters: Look good. speak clearly.
Sportscasters: Look good. Speak clearly. Make sense.

[MT-Man]

Brunson is ok - it was a team that has played good team ball, it good some luck and the refs tried to keep them in it. John starks 2.0

[mad.casual]

“Porn featuring violence against women is also extremely popular among women. It is far more popular among women than men. I hate saying that because misogynists seem to love this fact. Fantasy life isn’t always politically correct.”
…
Lot of pretty revealing red carpet clothes lately. But I recall Hooters workers being shamed for much less revealing work clothes. Is the difference just class?

Now imagine that there is no patriarchy and pretty much every grievance and “women’s issue” invented by women since the passage of the 19th Am. has been completely made up political bullshit. That even the novel A Handmaid's Tale isn't some roaring feminist anthem but is just yet another, class-based speculative fiction polemic where, in a dystopia, lower-class men get dropped into a meat grinder and, if they survive, can aspire to having a female partner in their life.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

It's rather difficult to not see The Handmaid's Tale as just another piece of domination fetish porn for liberal white women.

[mad.casual]

IDK, seems like there's a lot of other more actual domination fetish porn books specifically designed to cater to liberal white women. I freely admit that there's a lot of overlap between "women" and "liberal white" or "left-wing" but, IME, this particular fetish is not exclusive to left white women.

There's a terribly, maybe inextricably, confounding issue about the desire to be dominated one way or the other. But it's not like I don't see any minority women involved or enjoying the practice or even (e.g.) minority women enjoying seeing the practice done to white women (or vice versa). Personally, it's a head trip that I can recognize, but just don't have the wherewithal to plumb to any depth and I'm pretty sure that goes for half the species.

[Dillinger]

didn't read it or see it because I have a mme. but 50 Shades seemed popular ...

[Incunabulum]

>sle doctors who insert IUDs—which they're not—we're far from a sex dystopia

Don't let ENB hear you say that - *meeerow!*

[Taito7]

Who cares if Trump advocates states going after it or not? He’s never going to hold office again and will probably be in jail by this time next year. Also, the President doesn’t direct the states and they are already going after it.

[Zeb]

Which states are going after birth control?

[Don't look at me!]

Prepare for disappointment, taito7.

[Chumby]

He may have a Young Turks moment circa election day 2016.

[Roberta]

Am I the only one who read that picture as "BANS OFF MY BO" and interpreted it as "Ban's off my B.O."? Like she's boycotting Ban deodorant?

[Vernon Depner]

to ensure that Ukraine prevails.

That is not, and was not ever, going to happen. The goal is just to drag out the war as long as possible to maximize profits.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Infamous for its starvation wages, Walmart just posted staggering first-quarter profits. The surge is a result of its strategic shift toward catering to affluent shoppers...

The affluent Walmart shopper wears clean pajama bottoms to the store.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Who should Zach Weissmueller and I interview next on Just Asking Questions?

Give us more of that juicy COVID policy rehash. Find one of those high or mid profile science guys who were banned from Twitter for being right.

[Commenter_XY]

Here is an interview suggestion for Liz Wolfe. Former NJ State Senator Mike Doherty (R-NJ 23). He was nominally a Team R politician, but had very libertarian tendencies. He was able to get along with his Team D colleagues, with a minimum of rancor. He served in the Assembly, then Senate (2009-2022). A consequential time in our state's history.

[Chumby]

Liz - next interview should be Chase Oliver.