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Palestine

What's Going on With Gaza's Fatality Numbers?

Plus: Inflation reports, how robots look different than we imagined, the morning after the revolution, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 5.15.2024 9:37 AM

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Inside the contested death toll: On May 6, the Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) at the United Nations reported that 34,735 Gazans have been killed in Israel's offensive since it began some 200-plus days ago. Those deaths include 9,500 women and 14,500 children.

On May 8, the same office substantially revised the accounting, reporting 4,959 "identified" women and 7,797 "identified" children. Per this report, some 10,000 are allegedly buried under rubble, unable to be identified.

So what accounts for this, and does this change matter?

All the numbers we're getting out of Gaza are from offices run by Hamas, the terrorist group that perpetrated the October 7 attack and runs the government (if you consider the government to be functional at all there). But there's two main sources—the Government Media Office (GMO) and the Ministry of Health (MoH)—and the first, higher count is from the GMO, whereas the revised count is from the MoH.

In order to suss out the legitimacy of the numbers, we have to consider what is being counted as "identified" vs. "unidentified." The MoH had long counted deaths reported by both hospitals and "reliable" media accounts; around the start of April, it revised the media-reported deaths to be categorized as "incomplete" and then "unidentified." When a death is reported based on a media account (and a media account alone), there are no remains that have been identified—so the accuracy of this count remains disputed.

If you think these data-reporting practices are not so great, you should look at the GMO's account. "Way back on Dec. 11, GMO reported the death of 8,000 children and 6,200 women out of 18,396 total fatalities," writes David Adesnik, the director of research for the nonpartisan Foundation for Defense of Democracies. "Arithmetic shows there were (18,396-8,000-6,200=) 4,196 men. But GMoH reported at the time that hospitals had registered 5,577 male fatalities." In other words: Hamas' two data-reporting entities cannot even line up their stories.

If you're noticing that it sure seems like the GMO inflated numbers of dead women and children, which was then parroted by the U.N.'s OCHA and the news media, you would be correct: Hamas-run government agencies seem to grasp that it's the killing of women and children that strikes international audiences as especially heinous. One thing that's tough, when looking at the adult males category, is not knowing what percentage of those deaths are civilians vs. militants; presumably, many people are viscerally opposed to any innocent civilians being harmed, but far fewer are opposed to the Israeli military attempting to avenge the October 7 deaths while also ensuring that those responsible are stamped out, so a similar massacre does not happen again.

"Over time, media reports have accounted for an ever larger share of the ministry's data," writes Adesnik for The Wall Street Journal. "Of nearly 11,000 fatalities reported between Jan. 1 and March 31, the ministry derived 77.7% from media reports. Adult males account for only 9% of fatalities attributed to the news, even though Gaza's sex ratio is close to even and more than half its residents are adults."

U.N. changed which source it looks at: All of this weedsy data-reporting information is relevant because, on May 8, OCHA revised which source it relies on for numbers, switching to the arguably more accurate MoH count. (Still, in order to preserve the topline number, OCHA maintains an asterisk footnote claiming roughly 10,000 dead people remain buried under rubble—a relic of the GMO reporting which has not been substantiated and is just quite impossible to know for sure.) But OCHA changed all of this without announcing it.

Consider, too, that even the MoH may not be especially reliable: In October, a Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) rocket that seems to have been launched from within Gaza accidentally struck a hospital; Gaza's Ministry of Health claimed that nearly 500 people were killed, and attributed the attack to Israel. U.S. intelligence sources say the actual toll was probably closer to 100 (if that high) and that the strike is attributable to PIJ, not Israel.

Other organizations, like the U.K.'s Airwars—an organization focused on civilians harmed by war—have found that the MoH lists of names do match up, generally, with those who have been reported killed. (Airwars generally gives death toll ranges, and will even assign labels for degree of confidence, coding deaths as "contested" or with "weak" evidence versus "confirmed" and "fair" evidence.)

All this matters because the extraordinarily high death toll is one of the primary justifications given for people's arguments that Israel needs to cease its offensive in the Gaza Strip.

Whether it's college students on American campuses or the Biden administration that's recently started to pause weapons shipments to Israel, there's a sense that many are souring on the Israeli cause, believing the cost in human life is simply too high for Israel to be justified in continuing its military campaign. All of this is fair and defensible, but must be based on accurate numbers.


Scenes from New York: ON A LIGHTER NOTE! Last night, all the cool people of New York (and some of the cool people of Los Angeles) were at a Reason event in SoHo, in which Nick Gillespie interviewed The Free Press' Nellie Bowles on her new book, Morning After the Revolution: Dispatches From the Wrong Side of History. 

Bowles beautifully details how half of America lost its everloving mind in the wake of George Floyd's death—the police abolitionist movement, the suppressed pandemic-lockdown rage, the explicit ideological capture of newsrooms, and the absolute racket of Race2Dinner-type seminars and "anti-racist" retreats for white women (that end up, in fact, being quite racist in the end).

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  1. Chumby   1 year ago

    In France, armed gang members ambushed a van transporting their in-custody leader Mohamed “The Fly” Amra resulting in his escape. Three prison guards were killed during the incident. Pretty fly for a not so white guy. The French now have a Fly in the ointment. Yup, the Fly flew the coop.

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      I wondered what the buzz was all about.

    2. JesseAz   1 year ago

      *shakes Fist at chumby*

      1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

        Seems kinda hard on Fist...

        1. Chumby   1 year ago

          He’ll just have to knuckle down next time.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

      Merde!

      1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

        Like flies on Merde!
        🙂
        😉

    4. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

      Here's how to deal with Flies and those who let them loose on the world:
      https://youtu.be/Up6g0SDMJ7A?si=TT_IoMRUBtpcAs5V

    5. mad.casual   1 year ago

      They thought they had their Fly zipped up. Instead, they looked like a bunch of idiots with their con hanging out.

    6. Stuck in California   1 year ago

      That's fine. Frogs are always hunting flies.

  2. JesseAz   1 year ago

    Doing the swimming Americans won't do.

    New York Post
    @nypost
    Mayor Adams suggests migrants could fill NYC’s lifeguard shortage — because ‘they’re excellent swimmers’ https://trib.al/TC3rSzl

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      The guy is a total moron.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        What's wrong with populism?

        1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

          This is more like racism.

          1. Ajsloss   1 year ago

            Even with what you know about the color of the speaker's skin?

            1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

              Oh, that’s right, blacks can’t be racist.

              1. Dillinger   1 year ago

                but can be jelly of the Mexican Swim Team

          2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   1 year ago

            I wonder if they know what the word computer means?

      2. Old Engineer   1 year ago

        I wouldn't say "total". For him, there's always room for additional moronity.

    2. JesseAz   1 year ago

      Stealing the oil Americans won't steal.

      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy/3000004/illegal-immigrants-stealing-oil-permian-basin-texas/

      Shut up, it is a job. They found work.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        “Truckloads of oil are being stolen from small, independent oil producers. Oilfield instruments, trucks, equipment, and even work boots and clothes have been stolen,” Coday wrote in a message. “These crimes hurt every American and smaller, independent producers especially.”

        Mad Max, where are you?

        1. HorseConch   1 year ago

          As you should already know by now, crime is down significantly. The combo of excellent leadership and no longer reporting crime stats is a magical combination.

          1. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

            Houston has simply not responded to some 200,000+ callouts at all. Not enough personnel.

            1. Squirrelloid   1 year ago

              Of course not. They're too busy making up CI drug buys and raiding the homes of innocent people to bother with real crimes.

          2. Mockamodo   1 year ago

            I came to this article after reading a Reason article that claims illegal immigration actually reduces crime. It said the cities that received the most illegals had less crime after than before, because apparently the presence of illegal aliens made even American criminals quit criminaling.

            I had figured that all of the decriminalizing of crime since Biden first called for foreign nationals to illegally surge the border had something to do with it, but I'm not nearly as smart as those people so I'm probably wrong.

      2. One-Punch_Man   1 year ago

        Fiona says this is fake news! Illegals don't do crime. They hand out flowers and make everything better

    3. Longtobefree   1 year ago

      A good lifeguard does not need to swim.
      If you have to go in the water, you are already behind the curve.

      1. jimc5499   1 year ago

        I interviewed for a Lifeguard job at a Hotel several years ago. The interviewer jumped in the pool and said "rescue me". I walked over to the wall and pulled the hook off of it, snagged him by the shoulder and pulled him out of the pool. He said "I wanted you to jump into the pool and rescue me. Let's try it again." He went back into the water and I went in after him. When I got to him he tried to fight. I took him to the bottom, until he pushed away and went to the surface. Again he tried to fight me, so I repeated taking him to the bottom. This went on until he was too tired to fight me and I pulled him out of the pool. I didn't get the job.
        Some cute little thing that filled out her swimsuit well got it. Two months later a guest died because he had a heart attack in the water and there was nobody strong enough to pull him out.
        You're absolutely right. I was trained to make the rescue without going into the water if possible. I was also trained in what to do if the rescuee fought you. At the time I interviewed, I had just got out of the Navy and was a former Combat Search and Rescue Swimmer.

        1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

          Here more than perhaps any other realm, Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion combined with thinking with the head in the pants means death.

          I salute you for your service and I lament you lost a great job from stupidity and that this stupidity cost someone a life.

    4. Randy Sax   1 year ago

      Lifeguarding is the perfect summer job for 14 year-olds looking to save up for an Xbox. This is a literal "Dey took errr jerbs!" moment.

      1. Dillinger   1 year ago

        I. got. paid. to. talk. to. chicks. in. bikinis. America.

    5. Super Scary   1 year ago

      Mayor Adams continued by saying, "And if we need to count up how many we need, we'll get an Asian in here. What? Why are you yelling at me? They're good at math!"

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

        "That's my quant."
        "Your what?"
        "MY QUANTITATIVE! My math specialist. Look at his face! Look at his eyes!"
        "That's pretty racist...."
        "His name's Yang. He won a national math competition in China...he doesn't even speak English! Yeah, I'm sure of the math."

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

          I thought Yang finished second. 😉

          1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

            He was tied with ying.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

            And his real name's Jiang.

      2. mad.casual   1 year ago

        I propose all future press conferences be conducted from his front porch so he can ensure the landscapers aren't goofing off.

    6. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

      Wait til he finds out about the devastating au pair shortage.
      https://reason.com/2023/12/05/dont-kill-the-au-pair-program/

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        Which country supplies the immigrants with the best tits?

        1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

          That's already done with National Geographic.
          🙂
          😉
          (To the tune of the NatGeo theme)
          "Look at these taaa-tas! They make me want to mooo-tor-boat!" *BOOM! BOOM!*
          🙂
          😉

        2. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

          Ukraine.

          1. Chumby   1 year ago

            That stupid hair style they insist on right now (short bangs, dyed blonde with dark roots showing) loses them some points. The ones that get westernized put on about 35 kg.

    7. Chumby   1 year ago

      Only hire the ones that have enough stroke.

    8. Kungpowderfinger   1 year ago

      Like Adams would know anything about swimming

  3. Chumby   1 year ago

    In Kiev, Anthony Blinken, the best Secretary of State in the 21st Century other than Hillary, had time to go on stage with the guitar that he brought and perform Keep on Rockin in the Free World. This makes sense since the US heavily subsidized Ukraine recently had presidential elections where Zely won another term. Contrast that to evil empire 2.0 Russia where Putin had suspended elections indefinitely. Oh wait.
    Video available from C-Span.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

      During the encore, Blinken was joined on stage by a guy in a toga with a fiddle.

      1. Commenter_XY   1 year ago

        You know who else played with their fiddle...?

        1. Super Scary   1 year ago

          Johnny from Georgia?

        2. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

          Johnny, and he was playing it hot.

        3. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

          The Devil?

          1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

            Buttplug?

            1. Chumby   1 year ago

              Fiddle with an F.

        4. Sometimes a Great Notion   1 year ago

          Some guy stuck on a roof?

          1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

            Who later went on to make his own brand of Smoker's Tooth Polish?
            🙂
            😉

        5. Kungpowderfinger   1 year ago

          Pee Wee Herman?

        6. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

          Alabama when they played in Texas?

        7. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

          Alison Krause, who has one of the best singing voices.

        8. Squirrelloid   1 year ago

          Gonzo. While George Burns.

    2. mad.casual   1 year ago

      This makes sense

      You don’t even have to parody it on the points about the Ukraine.

      He trotted out the hollow anthem of a tired Boomer Canadian, who, in his heyday, tried to tour the Soviet Union and was forbidden and upon being turned away, he penned yet another whiny, feckless, spineless criticism of US interventionalism. Internventionalism over which he had no control and which he would almost certainly fuck up worse if he did given his hit or miss endorsement of the interventionalism of prior administrations.

      At least if he’d performed something like A Perfect World by Simple Plan or Grenade by Bruno Mars he would’ve been more contemporaneously relevant. And a four-note "wa-wa-wa-waah" on the trombone would've been more timeless.

      1. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago

        He whined about the South too.

    3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   1 year ago

      In blinkys defense, he couldn’t possibly sound worse than Neil young.

  4. JesseAz   1 year ago

    Lord Bebo
    @MyLordBebo
    Elections in Ukraine will take place when all Ukrainians can vote, all of them. - Blinken
    .
    So as long as Russia holds territories, there will not be an election, even if there is a long term ceasefire or peace.
    VIDEO

    https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1790423035129815432

    Biden administration is fine with suspending elections. Prepping a war to do the same here?

    1. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

      Prepping a war to do the same here?

      I honestly can't wait to see what shenanigans are in store for us this election.

      Postponement
      Trump absence from ballots
      X gets shut down. All other social media actively suppressing results.

      The list is endless.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        Garland is already threatening voters who even question the 2024 elections.

        1. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

          Yeah, until Trump accidentally wins. Then we may see martial law declared.

          Like I said, the possibilities are endless.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

          They should just release the official results now.

          1. HorseConch   1 year ago

            Can Biden eclipse the magical 100M vote threshold this year?

            1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

              Cleanest election on record!

              1. HorseConch   1 year ago

                “We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,”

                -The Big Guy

                1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

                  Robert L. Peters

                  1. Jefferson Paul   1 year ago

                    Don't you mean "Pedo Pete"?

            2. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

              Why so low? I think he can break 150M!

              1. Chumby   1 year ago

                That would mean he’d be on the campaign trail kissing a lot of babies. Oh wait.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

      The excuse from the neocons is that they can't hold elections, by law, while martial law is in effect.

      How very fucking convenient. The State Department can't even be bothered to do a Potemkin election like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan. Of course, what's left unsaid is the main reason Russia is holding that territory is because Ukraine was bombing quite a bit of it before the invasion.

    3. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

      Gee, I think I've heard this song before, US assists the takeover by a tyrant/dictator in the name of defending democracy (often against those dastardly Russians).

    4. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

      The Russians can do what they did to Germans in Eastern Europe in 1945, that would solve the problem. We allowed them to do it in 1945, so there's precedence.

  5. Chumby   1 year ago

    American sportsball star and survivor of COVID, Aaron Rodgers, sat down for an interview with Tucker Carlson. Am expecting the second best president ever Joe Biden to impose sanctions for Rodgers’ non-narrative following sacrilegious hate speech.

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      Fake news. Nobody survived Covid.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        Dude, don't you reincarnate? I have personally come back to life at least a dozen times since the Ehrlich famines of the 1970s. Covid was a minor blip compared to the recurring climate apocalypse deathscapes.

        1. Old Engineer   1 year ago

          I was working and missed a couple of my own deaths. The 1975 Famine was pretty good. I lost 20 pounds.

  6. JesseAz   1 year ago

    Pro life activist sentenced to almost 5 years for protesting an abortion center. Almost double the time one gets for foreboding a cop car.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/3003040/activist-lauren-handy-sentenced-prison-abortion-clinic-blockade/

    1. Minadin   1 year ago

      The fun part about that story is how they aren't investigating the clinic for the 5 nearly full-term babies she found in their trash.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        Hoping this leads to courts overturning the unconstitutional FACE act.

      2. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        “Clumps of cells”.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

          Aren't we all?

          1. JesseAz   1 year ago

            Are you a biologist?

            1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

              Why yes I am

          2. Zeb   1 year ago

            I know I am.

      3. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

        "The fun part about that story is how they aren’t investigating the clinic for the 5 nearly full-term babies she found in their trash."

        Which demonstrates just how utterly evil the Democrats and their progressive goblins are. This is Aztec sacrifice/Auschwitz ovens-level shit.

        1. Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland   1 year ago

          Another message from

          1) Libertarians for Statist Womb Management

          2) Libertarians for Big-Government Micromanagement of Ladyparts Clinics

          and

          3) Obsolete Slack-Jaws For Superstition-Based Public Policy

          Carry on, clingers.

          1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

            It’s “superstition “ to be against killing the unborn.

          2. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

            The guy who believes the birth canal fairy magically imparts humanity when you pass through her sacred halls is calling me "Superstition-Based".

            1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

              Wait a minute. How is believing a soul enters a zygote on conception any less magic?

              Maybe you two should wrestle over it while I make the books, polish the dice, and clear out my garment bag. Watch for the head of the pin! It’s a doozy!
              🙂
              😉

              1. Truthfulness   1 year ago

                It's an objective start of life. We believe it's the soul who controls that life. It's not as bad as you make it out to be.

                Don't stick up for Kirkland ever again.

    2. JesseAz   1 year ago

      Fire bombing*

      I dont antifa enough for auto correct =/

    3. DeAnnP   1 year ago

      Maybe she'll learn to mind her own damn business.

      A clinic nurse sprained her ankle when one of Handy’s co-defendants forced his way into the clinic and pushed her. Another co-defendant accosted a woman who was having labor pains, preventing her from getting off a floor and entering the clinic, prosecutors said.

      Inside the clinic’s waiting room, Handy directed blockaders to link themselves together with locks and chains and block the doors. A co-defendant used social media to livestream the blockade, which lasted several hours before police arrested the participants.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

        No no no. They were all just "praying" and "singing" and nothing more.

        1. JesseAz   1 year ago

          Not shocked you support 5 years for this jeff.

          But not a statist at all. No sir.

          Maybe go retweet Katie Hill. She probably agrees with you.

        2. R Mac   1 year ago

          Yes, we get it Lying Jeffy, you celebrate extensive prison time for your enemies, and extra rights for your tribe.

          Like a good fascist.

        3. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

          How about the five nearly full-term babies she found in their trash, Jeffy.

          Is that almost as bad as the sprained ankle your sockpuppet mentioned?

        4. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

          I'm surprised that no one in the clinic thought to shoot the invaders in the face for trespassing. That's acceptable now, I'm told, unless you're a rancher in Texas near the border.

          1. Jefferson Paul   1 year ago

            *Arizona

      2. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

        prosecutors said.

        All I needed to read.

      3. JesseAz   1 year ago

        Not a sprained ankle! Why wasn't she put on death row!

        1. n00bdragon   1 year ago

          It's just a little assault? Right?

          1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

            No widespread injuries.

          2. R Mac   1 year ago

            Do you think five years in prison is an appropriate punishment?

          3. JesseAz   1 year ago

            Whats the usual sentence for an assault that causes a sprained ankle? 5 years?

            1. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

              In NYC subways, assault is not even an arrestable offense these days.

              1. JesseAz   1 year ago

                In D.C. firing a weapon on the street gets you a 0 down bond.

                1. Chumby   1 year ago

                  Firing it inside the Capitol against an unarmed protester gets you a promotion.

      4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        'Handy directed blockaders to link themselves together with locks and chains and block the doors.'

        Just like those brave campus protesters?

        1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

          Only if they demanded organic food delivered.

        2. JesseAz   1 year ago

          Or those on Highways even when ambulances are in traffic.

          Of course thise is (D)ifferent. Ignore all the pro life centers that are vandalized or set on fire. Abortion is a sacrament. Ask Jeff.

          1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

            Burning and pillaging post-natal care facilities is an absolute good, protesting Chemjeff’s baby-abattoirs on the other hand, is a step too far.

      5. Old Engineer   1 year ago

        They should have blocked all roads leading to the clinic and chanted "From the Streets to the Avenues, Fetuses will be Free". Then they would have gotten the charges dropped.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

          "Free, free fetuses."

        2. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

          No, they’re on the “wrong side of history” so must be arrested and persecuted–I mean–prosecuted to the FULLEST. When pro-Hamas freedom fighters or BLM militants march in the streets, it’s (D)ifferent.

        3. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

          The original slogan means death. In this case, the slogan means a Living Death for pregnant women.

      6. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

        Absolutely! Anti-Abortionists who block others' freedom of movement and accost and assault people need to be tethered with chains to the equally assholish Pro-Hamas crowd and the Just Stop Oil crowd who do the same shit and all serve their entire sentence chained together!

        Fuck Around and Find Out knows no ideology!

        1. Truthfulness   1 year ago

          You left out the part where five babies were found in the trash can--why aren't the abortionists being prosecuted for worse crimes?

          @DeAnnP
          Answer up.

  7. Minadin   1 year ago

    What's Going on With Gaza's Fatality Numbers?

    They're fucking liars, Liz, always have been.

    1. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

      I suspect the same thing that was going on with COVID numbers, if Sonya "thousands of children on ventilators" Sotamayor has anything to say about it

      1. Ajsloss   1 year ago

        Did they die in Gaza or near Gaza?

        1. Randy Sax   1 year ago

          Killed because of Hamas or by Hamas?

          1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

            What you said.

            1. HorseConch   1 year ago

              Pretty sure most of them died with Hamas, but also because of Hamas.

        2. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

          Or, more likely, they died of living in Gaza under an Islamofascist regime that hides among civilians, uses civilians as human shields, and thinks they'll all get "pie-in-the-sky-in-the-sweet-by-and-by."

    2. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

      When a death is reported based on a media account (and a media account alone), there are no remains that have been identified—so the accuracy of this count remains disputed.

      Hmmm....Imagine if Biblical and Qu'ranic scholars worked with this kind of methodology. The world would be a very different--and most likely much better--place for all!

      Enlightenment Philosopher David Hume had it right: Mere testimony doesn't establish diddly.

      1. Truthfulness   1 year ago

        The burden of proof lies on the accuser. The researchers have shown the Gaza Health Ministry to be unreliable. You haven't been able to do the same with Biblical and Qu'ranic scholars--they actually have presented evidence supporting much of what they said, like the existence of King Solomon.

        Hopefully you take this correction to your heart and repent to become a better being.

    3. MWAocdoc   1 year ago

      "All this matters because the extraordinarily high death toll is one of the primary justifications given for people's arguments that Israel needs to cease its offensive in the Gaza Strip."

      No, Liz - the accuracy of the death numbers only matters if you question the right of Israel to engage in a war with a foreign "nation" that invaded their country military and killed Israelis. If you don't question that, then the numbers are irrelevant.

    4. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

      What’s Going on With Gaza’s Fatality Numbers?

      "Those are rookie numbers."

  8. tracerv   1 year ago

    Vegeta. What does the scouter say his Clown World reading is?

    It's over 9000000000!

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/blinkens-viral-guitar-playing-ukrainian-bar-draws-conservative-heat-war-rages-real-life

    Blinken's viral guitar playing in Ukrainian bar draws conservative heat as war rages: 'How is this real life?'

    1. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

      "Deblasio dancing with his wife on NYE in times square while the country was locked down" vibes

      1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        Governor whitmer flying to Florida during Covid.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

          And then they all had a laugh over drinks at the French Laundry.

          1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

            Only the serving staff had to wear masks at the met gala.

            1. Old Engineer   1 year ago

              You can't treat servants like people.

          2. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

            The French have laundries?
            🙂
            😉

            1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

              Laundries yes. Showers no.

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

                The year we lived in France my wife went to the local laundromat once a week. In the spring she came back with our clothes still dirty. Apparently it was the annual wash the bedding week.

                1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

                  Were the French so excited all year that they could hardly wash?
                  🙂
                  😉
                  Monty Python--The Golden Age of Ballooning--Part 1 of 3
                  https://youtu.be/GZxY1J69WsQ?si=DhKKcJ4cb1FPf9zk

    2. Moonrocks   1 year ago

      The only thing that could have made it more perfect is a clown nose.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

      The irony of him playing that fucking Neil Young song is enough to blot out the sun.

  9. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

    Inflation unexpectedly drops!
    3.5% to 3.4% and it was predicted to “drop” in the news the night before. Look at the graph, no progress is being made.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

      Wow, a whole tenth of a percentage point. Might be able to buy that new chocolate ration that increased from 10 grams to 8 grams.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        PPI is up again which is a leading factor to CPI.

        1. HorseConch   1 year ago

          So if those numbers are to be believed, my bills are only going up 3.4%. I'm glad Joe keeps fighting for me to keep those greedy shrinkflators accountable.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

        Dude, what the hell is anyone going to do with 6 grams of chocolate?

        1. Old Engineer   1 year ago

          Use it as bait in a mouse trap. Mouse meat is nutritional.

        2. Its_Not_Inevitable   1 year ago

          No one needs 6 different grams of chocolate.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

      Yup. Prices went up again, but slightly less* than last month.

      But the peasantry refuses to recognize the brilliant work done by the Biden administration.

      *If you believe the official numbers.

      1. Chumby   1 year ago

        Bidenomics. It is working!

    3. Moonrocks   1 year ago

      Didn't they recently drop coffee from the aggregate because it was rising too much?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        Yeah, “substitution” is a favored economists trick, when they want to reduce inflation numbers. “But consumers are choosing to more hamburger than steak, so we have to update the basket.”

      2. Zeb   1 year ago

        I think the coffee thing was a big nothing. What was removed was a specific series for a category of canned coffee that hadn't been updated since 1988.

    4. Minadin   1 year ago

      It's not even a drop, necessarily. If last April had a steeper rise than last March, and they are just using year-over-year numbers for comparison, it's a meaningless distinction.

  10. Sometimes a Great Notion   1 year ago

    but must be based on accurate numbers.

    No such thing in a warzone.

  11. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

    The Gaza numbers?

    Muslims lie,

    1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

      But it takes minds that operate on Rationality to establish that, not having a different flavor and title of faith.

      1. Truthfulness   1 year ago

        "Once people stop believing in God, the problem is not that they will believe in nothing; rather, the problem is that they will believe anything." - C. S. Lewis

  12. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

    Frat Boy Summer is this year’s backlash against an epidemic of arrogant, entitled women
    https://nypost.com/2024/05/05/opinion/frat-boy-summer-is-this-years-backlash-against-an-epidemic-of-arrogant-entitled-women/

    ...There is a cohort of women who are giving the fairer sex a bad name. These toxic femmes gobbled up the unjust privileges of affirmative action and the punitive fakery that the #MeToo movement became and then found they were more miserable than ever.

    So they doubled down, offloading blame onto the patriarchy or toxic masculinity or whatever excuse they could find to avoid looking in the mirror.

    1. JesseAz   1 year ago

      Bit more than a cohort. Over half.

      1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

        A quarter of the women I know are the kindest, most-selfless, generous and compassionate people I have ever met, and make this planet a better place.
        Another quarter are vicious narcissists and professional crybullies who deliberately ruin every life that they touch.

        Women seem to be more at the extremes than men in this.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

          The other day my wife was talking about her work and said "every time it's three women together it all goes to shit. Me "why is that?"
          Wife "because one of them is a bitch".

          1. Super Scary   1 year ago

            "The moment God crapped out a third caveman a conspiracy was hatched against one of them."

          2. Lester75   1 year ago

            I'd say the '1/3 is a bitch' goes for men too. Equal opportunity bitchiness. Unless you want to vouch for saintliness of 3/4, 4/5 or 5/6 of men...

            1. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

              But 3 men can get together for hours and not speak 10 words between them.

            2. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

              My best friend and I talk maybe once a year. Sorry, I've worked almost my entire career in female dominated professions and never seen so much back biting, pettiness etc among men as I do among women. And the worse thing I see is how women will be nice to someone's face and then turn around and stab that person in the back. I have rarely ever seen that among men.

        2. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

          That amounts to only half. What about the other half? A schizzy mix of both?

          1. Randy Sax   1 year ago

            Aging hippie passive aggressive busy bodies that want to involved in decisions they know nothing about.

          2. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

            What about the other half?

            They range across the centre. But the graph is a flat line rather than a peak.

        3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

          I still worry about the compassionate types, especially those with compulsive urges. Even a kind-hearted nanny can ruin your fun.

          1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

            Yes, but if the compassion is genuine, then it's forgivable.

            Sociopathic women use phony compassion and empathy all the time to get what they want, but it doesn't take long to identify them.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

      From the article:

      It is a manifestation of the growing political divide between men and women that has been evident in opinion polls for some time. There is a 10-point gap on most issues between men and women.
      Young unmarried women, in particular, skew very left, while young men are becoming markedly more conservative.

      The graphs that have been shown on this reveal a very clear demarcation happening after Trump’s election. Women and their mass media simps went ballistic and started blaming everything on “toxic masculinity,” which meant that ALL masculinity is toxic.

      So men and especially Zoomers have responded by becoming more right-wing, or at least less feminist, and are currently undergoing a trend of not even bothering to try and date women, much less pursue marriage. Western women in particular are seen as massively entitled and not anywhere near worth the hassle of courting, and who the fuck with any sense wants to risk knocking these bitches up and being tied to them for 18 years or more?

      Modern women want traditional men, but don’t want to act like traditional women in turn. Meanwhile, their standards are so fucking skewed now thanks to academia, corporate girlbosses, and social media influencers, that they’re all competing for an incredibly small pool of men who mostly treat them like pump and dumps, because their status allows them to pull any hot ass chick they want. The best part are the TikToks of 3s and 4s, at best, saying they deserve men who are 10s and they won’t settle for less.

      So what guy with any self-respect will want to bother with them? Drizzle drizzle.

      1. Lester75   1 year ago

        Yea just fuck your AI women. They'll give you full satisfaction.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

          Why does a man need a woman in his life to be content, especially a western woman? Don't get pissed at me just because modern women are getting exactly what the fuck they wanted and people have the temerity to point that out.

          Woman might control the bedroom, but men don't have to act as their retirement plan. It's pretty amusing what the reaction to all this has been with a lot more men realizing that they don't have to actually go along with the expectation that they need to pursue marriage or even dating. If women in particular don't like it, maybe they need to change their expectations on what they're looking for, just like men have had to do.

  13. Michael Ejercito   1 year ago

    The fatality numbers will increase until Gaza unconditionally surrenders.

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      They will run out of Gazans before they surrender.

      1. Ajsloss   1 year ago

        They will run out of Gazans before they surrender.

        They only have hours left? Not expected to make it through the night?

  14. JesseAz   1 year ago

    Worlds largest floating solar farm destroyed by climate change.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/worlds-largest-floating-solar-farm-wrecked-storm-just-launch

    1. Chumby   1 year ago

      Wave goodbye.

      1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        Out of the dozen people responsible, they should hang ten.

        1. JesseAz   1 year ago

          These are swell puns.

          1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

            Chumby’s return has caused a tsunami of jokes.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

              The puns are a bit salty and lost in the current.

              1. Ajsloss   1 year ago

                I don't sea the humor.

                1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

                  You’re all wet.

                  1. Commenter_XY   1 year ago

                    A rather dry sense of humor...

                    1. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

                      Is someone gonna fish it out?

                    2. Chumby   1 year ago

                      It is now HO2 under the bridge.

                    3. Kungpowderfinger   1 year ago

                      The design was never anchored in reality

                    4. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

                      Chumby: HO2...clap, clap, clap

                    5. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

                      Water they going to do about the damage?

            2. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

              Fuka this shima!
              🙂
              😉

    2. HorseConch   1 year ago

      I'm really looking forward to the build out of all the Gulf of Mexico wind power Biden was wanting. I'm guessing the sports books will have prop bets on the level of destruction every fall.

  15. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

    Treason

    Ex-Iran envoy Robert Malley was critical of Israel, has family ties to PLO
    https://nypost.com/2023/10/14/ex-iran-envoy-robert-malley-called-israeli-behavior-shameful/

    Robert Malley — the State Department bureaucrat and former Iran special envoy who is mysteriously on leave for allegedly mishandling classified information — grew up with Palestine Liberation Organization leader Yasser Arafat as his unofficial “godfather” and once wrote that the Israeli treatment of Arabs was “shameful.”

    Malley is under probe, along with members of his Iran negotiating team, by the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability for allegedly “compromising ties to the Iranian regime.”

    He once tried to normalize relations with Hamas, the Iran-backed terrorist group which massacred some 1,200 Israelis and at least 27 Americans this week.

    The 60-year-old was suspended under a cloud of secrecy by the State Department in June.

    ...Malley, who served as the Biden administration’s special envoy for Iran since Jan. 2021, is now teaching at the Yale Jackson School of International Affairs at Yale University.

    ...in 2008, Malley was forced to resign from the campaign of then-candidate Barack Obama after it was discovered that he was talking to officials in the Islamic Resistance Movement of Hamas — only to later return to the Obama administration as the senior director of the National Security Council and one of the main architects of the United States foreign policy in the Middle East.

    1. Anomalous   1 year ago

      The 60-year-old was suspended under a cloud of secrecy by the State Department in June.
      He should be suspended from a rope around his neck.

    2. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      …Malley, who served as the Biden administration’s special envoy for Iran since Jan. 2021, is now teaching at the Yale Jackson School of International Affairs at Yale University.

      A reward for a job well done. Ex-bureaucrats "teaching" at an Ivy involves an enourmous paycheck and very little work.

    3. Commenter_XY   1 year ago

      Follow the money

    4. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

      Did the story say whether the Ayatollah and Yassir give him a gelding?

    5. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

      Wasn't there an article somewhere talking about how Iranian foreign agents were being allowed in classified briefings during the Obozo era? I figured that had more to do with Valerie "I Heart Iran" Jarrett's doing than anything else.

    6. Old Engineer   1 year ago

      The criteria for denying a security clearance used to be membership in subversive groups or familial ties to a foreign enemy. This was changed to having a bad credit score. I'll bet that Malley's credit score was impeccable.

      For many people, ideology will dominate action far more than huge debts.

  16. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

    If a Hamas militant attacks Israeli forces with an "innocent" Palestinian woman strapped to his back, and two kids strapped to his front, and gets taken out by an anti-personnel round, who gets the blame for collateral damage?

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

      Same answer of if a ragheads militant kiss a woman because she got raped who is at fault?
      The jews of cource

    2. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

      "The Jews" seems to be the preferred answer for the UN and leftists everywhere.

  17. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

    Hunter Biden sues former Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani over infamous laptop
    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/26/hunter-biden-sues-rudy-giuliani-over-infamous-laptop.html

    ...Hunter Biden on Tuesday sued former Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani, his companies and another attorney over alleged violations of computer fraud and data access related to a laptop computer Biden is said to have left at a Delaware repair shop.

    "Defendants are among those who have been primarily responsible for what has been described as the 'total annihilation' of Plaintiff's digital privacy," Biden's suit in Los Angeles federal court says.

    1. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

      Ashley Biden Diary Confirmed: What More Do We Now Know?
      https://www.newsweek.com/ashley-biden-diary-confirmed-what-more-do-we-now-know-1900509

      ...In an update note, Snopes wrote it changed its article about the diary's content "based on testimony provided by Ashley Biden." The testimony was a letter Biden sent to Judge Laura Taylor Swain, the Chief United States District Judge of the Southern District of New York, published by The New York Times.

      Biden asked Swain that Harris be imprisoned, saying the defendant demonstrated "a complete lack of morality" and that her actions were "not only re-traumatizing to me, but constituted a horrific trauma in and of themselves."

      Biden also wrote, "I will forever have to deal with the fact that my personal journal can be viewed online." This letter, Snopes argued, authenticated the diary's contents which had been printed online.

      1. Social Justice is neither   1 year ago

        If the cunt didn't want her molestation by her uncle to be public knowledge she shouldn't have abandoned her property and sent innocent people to jail over her poor judgement to confirm it.

        1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

          her molestation by her uncle

          Do you mean her Dad?

          1. JesseAz   1 year ago

            Rumors are dad and brother.

            1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

              Well she says her Dad in her diary, because "inappropriate" showers with your teenage daughter are molestation even if he didn't insert.

          2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

            Why not both?

      2. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

        And once again, America's disinformation experts were peddling disinformation.

        Is there anything in the last five years that Snopes hasn't lied about?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

          You’re limiting it to five years?

        2. Zeb   1 year ago

          This? They did have it as "unproven" before. Which, if I recall correctly, is also part of why James O'Keefe said he declined to publish it.

          1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

            The FBI and Ashley's lawyers verified it as real several years before her testimony.

      3. HorseConch   1 year ago

        Say what you want about Trump, but look at how his kids turned out compared to Biden's. The Biden kids were born with a silver spoon and had way more opportunities than any normal person, and look how they used it. It sounds like Beau was a good person, but the other two are a mess.

        1. R Mac   1 year ago

          It’s a shame he died on that mission to redirect the asteroid from hitting Earth.

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

          Well, and who knows how decent Beau really was; it's far more likely that he was just less of a fuckup than his siblings and died of cancer young enough that he never had the chance to be as much of a shithead as his brother.

          It is honestly pretty remarkable that Trump's kids are largely well-adjusted enough to not do the stupid shit Biden's kids have gotten into, considering Don's tabloid lifestyle and general lack of self-control.

          1. HorseConch   1 year ago

            The fact that his widow shacked up with his crackhead brother very quickly after his funeral is probably a sign that he wasn't that great. She may have been the problem, but typically its not only one spouse that is a turd.

      4. Commenter_XY   1 year ago

        Can you imagine the MSM if this were Ivanka writing about POTUS Trump. The silence of the MSM is telling, and deafening. Corrupt hypocrites.

        1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

          Can you imagine the MSM if this were Ivanka writing about POTUS Trump.

          No, because unlike Spinal Tap's amps, the volume in my imagination doesn't go to eleven. But I suspect we would never hear about anything else ever again.

    2. JesseAz   1 year ago

      Kind of hard to do when he relinquished his property to the store.

  18. JesseAz   1 year ago

    it revised the media-reported deaths to be categorized as "incomplete" and then "unidentified.

    Shorter summary of article.

    Media lies. People didn't die.

  19. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    All the numbers we're getting out of Gaza are from offices run by Hamas...

    You know who else denied numbers?

    1. Ajsloss   1 year ago

      Water T and the rest of Alphabetrium?

      1. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

        Now how many people here are really going to get that?

        1. Ska   1 year ago

          I'd suspect a small but decent amount, considering it's at least top three episodes.

          1. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

            Aw geez.

        2. Dillinger   1 year ago

          yo!

    2. JesseAz   1 year ago

      Modern activist teachers asked what 2+2 equals.

      1. Old Engineer   1 year ago

        But only because they don't know the answer themselves.

      2. Chumby   1 year ago

        Alex, what is a woman?

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

      Al Gore?

    4. Moonrocks   1 year ago

      The Labor Department?

    5. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

      Iman Hamid Al-Ghazali? And after him, observant Muslims since the 1100s C.E.?

      1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   1 year ago

        Sigh. Leave it to encog to make “you know who else?….” boring and unfunny.

        1. R Mac   1 year ago

          Yeah, but he’s so edgy.

          1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

            You misspelled "retarded".

          2. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

            So edgy. I wish I were that cool.

      2. Truthfulness   1 year ago

        Nope! The answer is Joe Stalin.

    6. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

      Most climate doomers?

    7. Chumby   1 year ago

      The nerdy but semi-hot chick that sarc asked out at the Dinosaur Jr reunion concert?

    8. Its_Not_Inevitable   1 year ago

      Count von Count's evil twin?

  20. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

    'In China, "local state-owned enterprises would be asked to help purchase unsold homes from distressed developers at steep discounts using loans provided by state banks," reports Bloomberg. "Many of the properties would then be converted into affordable housing."'

    How about we ship all our bums to China?

    1. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

      Sounds like they need refugees.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

        They could use the boost in population as they’re predicted to lose about half their population by 2100.

        1. HorseConch   1 year ago

          With that many people, a new influx of lifeguards and food trucks would be a boon to their economy.

        2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   1 year ago

          They’re gonna lose 800 million people in 76 years? Who is predicting that?

          1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

            Soros and Schwab.

          2. Corey   1 year ago

            This guy for one:

            https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-end-of-the-world-is-just-the-beginning-peter-zeihan/1140487926

            "No matter how you crunch the numbers, China in 2022 is the fastest aging society in human history. In China the population growth story is over and has been over since China's birth rate slipped below replacement levels in the 1990s . . . . China's rate is at most 1.3, among the lowest of any people throughout human history . . . . The country will soon have traveled from preindustrial levels of wealth and health to postindustrial demographic collapse in a single human lifetime."

            Etc., etc. Read the book if you want more details.

    2. Super Scary   1 year ago

      It's stereotypical to say Asians don't have bums. Maybe we can ship some BBB their way.

    3. n00bdragon   1 year ago

      This is like that "Troll Economics" meme image come to life.

  21. Chumby   1 year ago

    Sounds like the Holocaust deniers quibbling over exact figures. Figures.

    1. JesseAz   1 year ago

      No Jews have ever died - Misek

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        And the Palestinians have all been genocided. Twice. - Misek

    2. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

      This is in the fog of war.

      Herr Misek does it 79 years after death camps were liberated, piles of bodies were found, records of “experiments” were saved from destruction, and live Nazis admitted their deeds with heel-clicking glee.

      Moreover, the present fog of war is made murkier by the fact that Hamas murders Apostates and dissenters who would contradict their propaganda.

      Decidedly not the same.

  22. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    Bowles beautifully details how half of America lost its everloving mind in the wake of George Floyd's death...

    Next I'm going to be hearing that the #MeToo movement was an overblown panic.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

      You know how the ladies are...

      1. R Mac   1 year ago

        Why didn’t anyone just tell them to calm down?

        1. Commenter_XY   1 year ago

          Just breathe...

  23. sarcasmic   1 year ago

    So what accounts for this, and does this change matter?

    According to the wise commentariat, there was no change. The “correct” numbers were always available and right on the top of any Google search. A person had to dig deep to get the “inflated” Hamas numbers, and only a Nazi who hates Jews would do that. Just ask anyone. They’ll tell you.

    1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      The change was BY FUCKING HAMAS you ridiculous troll.

      It's Hamas numbers vs Hamas numbers.

      The fact that you believe anything coming from the genocidaires of October 7th in the first place, and used them to justify your accusations against the Jews, is the problem.

      You're not the victim here again, Sarcasmic. You're a fool at best, an anti-Semite at worst.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        The funny thing is everything Liz said today was what was known months ago and linked to by us conspiracy theorists who aren't afraid of counter narrative, aka factual, sources.

      2. sarcasmic   1 year ago

        Thank you for once again showing that attacking the person is the most effective way to win an argument in these pathetic comments.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

          Idiot, the inflated Hamas numbers were in every fucking mainstream media story about Gaza. There was no digging needed, retardo.

        2. JesseAz   1 year ago

          So much better when you deny, refuse to click links, then label others conspiracy theorists when it turns out they were the ones who were right.

          Have you tried admitting when you're wrong?

          1. JesseAz   1 year ago

            Here. Bookmark this and use it almost every day. You'd get way less shit.

            sarcasmic 1 year ago
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            Mute User
            The I guess I’m wrong.

        3. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

          Sarc still coping with being lied to by his top flight source, google.com

        4. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

          "According to the wise commentariat, there was no change."
          "Thank you for once again showing that attacking the person is the most effective way to win"

          Fucking idiot hypocrite. You can't even keep track of your own bullshit in a single thread.

          1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

            Sarc learned from his teacher, pee wee herman, that logical fallacies only apply to the other person.

          2. sarcasmic   1 year ago

            Says the guy who has called me a troll, a fool, an anti-Semite and a hypocrite in increasingly shrill posts, all because a couple days ago I severely triggered him by saying Biden is doing a shitty job of protecting Hamas. Never thought I’d receive so much hate from the MAGA crowd for insulting Biden.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

              ML is just a mirror image of the #Resist morons from the Trump years who spent the whole time calling Trump a fascist Nazi. He can be equally dismissed as those fools.

              1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

                Where you been? Scrubbing all your X posts?

              2. JesseAz   1 year ago

                Weird. Just weeks ago you and sarc were calling Trump Hitler. Need the link Jeff?

              3. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                Don’t you have some progressive Democrats to retweet?

              4. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                Uh-oh, I attacked ML, so that brought out all of the gray box mean girls to defend him and/or attack me.

                1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

                  How would you know what was said?

                2. JesseAz   1 year ago

                  POST THE LIST!

                3. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                  How would you know what they said unless you unmuted them?

              5. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

                "ML is just a mirror image of the #Resist morons from the Trump years who spent the whole time calling Trump a fascist Nazi. He can be equally dismissed as those fools."

                You and Sarckles just spent six months calling Trump Hitler, because he said Nazis and Communists were bad, and because he was once given an analysis of Hitler's speeches.

                What disingenuous hypocrites you two clowns are.

                1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                  You’ve gone full Jesse, I mean retard. At this point I'm not going to bother refuting your lies. I just don't care.

                  1. R Mac   1 year ago

                    You realize everyone here read all your posts comparing Trump to Hitler, right?

                    1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                      Alcohol induced amnesia.

                  2. JesseAz   1 year ago

                    One of the links for you sarc. There were more lol.

                    https://reason.com/2023/12/19/texas-new-immigration-law-will-lead-to-more-policing-with-less-accountability/?comments=true#comment-10364358

                  3. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

                    You don't realize everyone can read what is written here, do you?

                    Your a liar and a troll and everyone here knows it. Go fuck yourself.

                2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                  You and Sarckles just spent six months calling Trump Hitler

                  The truth is, whenever I commented on Trump's disgusting words, every single time, I was very careful to say that I did not think that Trump was Hitler, only that he was using the Hitler style guide for his speeches. Every single time I was careful to make the disclaimer that I was **NOT** calling Trump Hitler. And what do you do? Lie about me and accuse me of calling Trump Hitler.

                  I explicitly stated that I was not doing the thing that you accuse me of doing anyway. That is just one more reason why your accusations about me, and probably sarcasmic and everyone else around here that you hate, are lies. They are just what you project on to us from your radicalized little pea brain.

                  You are the chief gaslighter around here. You are determined to take everyone who disagrees with you and transform them into Nazis whether they are or not, and you'll do it by any means necessary.

                  1. JesseAz   1 year ago

                    Lol. "I didn’t say he was directly Hitler, just he was 99% Hitler."

                    Go fuck yourself Jeff if you can reach your dick past the fat rolls.

                    You make excuses for Dems using the same fucking language.

                    You were not careful. Everyone saw what you said. We all know your intention.

                    You hated it when your Twitter account was exposed showing you to be just another dumb Democrat.

            2. JesseAz   1 year ago

              You didnt mention Biden. You blindly repeated Hamas. Second time you've told this lie.

        5. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago

          Thank you for once again showing that attacking the person is the most effective way to win an argument in these pathetic comments.

          Your post begins with an insult and insinuation of what others are thinking. If that is how you begin a post you have no real ground for complaining about being attacked in defense. If you think your post is effective argumentation you might want to reconsider how you begin that argument.

          1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

            My post begins by recounting how I was attacked and accused of being an anti-semitic nazi for using numbers that my attackers didn’t like.
            According to you, talking about being attacked personally is itself an unwarranted personal attack against my attackers, which justifies the attackers engaging in righteous personal attacks.

            1. R Mac   1 year ago

              Awe, poor sarc.

            2. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago

              If your comment is in reference to another post from another day, I did not see that post. My reference point is today’s original post, which begins as an attack on the ‘Wise Commentariat’ as you call them, and your interpretation of what they think and feel.

              According to you, talking about being attacked personally is itself an unwarranted personal attack against my attackers, which justifies the attackers engaging in righteous personal attacks.

              And, as you have accused others of so often, you claim to know what I am thinking and intended point from those thoughts. My point was you started this post with an insult then claim to be victimized when insulted in return. My second point was that is a poor method of argumentation.

              Your interpretation of what you think is in my head sounds like gibberish.

              1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                ok

                1. R Mac   1 year ago

                  Poor sarc.

          2. R Mac   1 year ago

            Sarc is a broken hypocrite.

    2. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      Facts changed!

    3. JesseAz   1 year ago

      He did the Facts Changed meme!

    4. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

      It was their whole strategy all along to turn the discussion into an argument over the reliability of the numbers. It was just a deflection tactic from your larger point of what constituted a proportionate response. They don't have a good answer to that question, they don't want to discuss that question, so they troll over the statistics.

      1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        No such thing as a proportionate response. Fuck off.

      2. JesseAz   1 year ago

        Proportionality is a retarded leftist narrative to ignore Hamas ongoing rocket attacks and the rape and murders on Oct 7th.

        Did you get your talking point from George Takei?

        War has never been proportional. Hamas continues to send attacks at Hamas. Your only concern seems to be Hamas losing.

      3. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

        Gray boxes say what?

        1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

          Poor sarc.

        2. JesseAz   1 year ago

          So cute how you two adopt each others worst behaviors. When is the wedding?

          1. Chumby   1 year ago

            We know where it is - at a half million dollar lake house.

        3. Zeb   1 year ago

          When you are in a war, the purpose is to defeat the enemy. There is no obligation to have a proportional response. You do what you need to to win. That's how wars work. And one of many reasons why war sucks and should be avoided if possible.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

            Very broadly, I agree. But even in times of war there are behaviors that we rightly find impermissible: torture and mass enslavement for starters. As I note below, unless one is a complete psychopath, there is going to be some behavior that falls outside the bounds of moral behavior, whether in war or not. That behavior, whatever it is, may be regarded at a minimum as a "disproportionate" response. So the real question is, what is the range of acceptably proportionate responses given the severity of Hamas' crimes? I do think that popular opinion in the West in this regard has been too restrictive towards Israel (and profoundly hypocritical to boot).

            1. JesseAz   1 year ago

              Hamas actually did torture kidnapped victims. Yet you rage against Israel who tries to avoid civilians. Weird Jeff. Very weird.

        4. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

          Oh wow, now Jeff has taken to boasting about his mute list.

          When will you clowns get it? People post responses to refute and mock you, not engage you. Neither of you are worth conversational engagement.

          Nothing will change no matter how many grey boxes you create.

          1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

            People post responses to refute and mock you, not engage you.

            All the more reason to ignore them.

            Neither of you are worth conversational engagement.

            You've got it backwards. It's not that those of us who don't refute arguments by attacking people aren't worth conversational engagement, it's that those of you who think attacking people wins arguments are incapable of conversational engagement.

            1. R Mac   1 year ago

              NO YOU!

            2. JesseAz   1 year ago

              Sarc, you just saw today that those who gave you the evidence weeks ago that Liz today posted was correct. You and Jeff spent the entire time ignoring the links and attacking the sources. It was you and Jeff who engage in dishonesty, so you get mocked.

            3. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

              “It’s not that those of us who don’t refute arguments by attacking people”

              Fuck you. You’re a nasty little troll who does nothing but attack people and try to stir up shit by telling lies.

              The people here all know you, Sarcasmic. They know your modus operandi. They know what you are. You aren’t fooling anyone.

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

            People post responses to refute and mock you, not engage you.

            That's funny, at least five people in this conversation HAVE posted responses that engage the substance of my argument. This is another trick that you pull. You try to manufacture truth by just declaring something to be true even when it is not. That is your gaslighting on display once again.

            1. JesseAz   1 year ago

              No it isnt. Lol.

        5. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

          Poor Jeffy.

      4. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

        The Israelis shouldn't engage in a proportionate response.
        Proportionate response for the US after 12/7/1941 would be bomb a Japanese airfield, and then go home. Would that make any sense?

        1. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago

          Good analogy.

        2. Chumby   1 year ago

          Imperial Japan declared war on the US after Pearl Harbor.

        3. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

          As Chumby points out, the government of Japan actually declared war on the US. That makes the Pearl Harbor analogy a little bit strained in this context.

          1. JesseAz   1 year ago

            Hey Jeff... have you seen the Hamas charter buddy?

            It is amazing how you continue to refute your own initial argument.

          2. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

            The idea that this all hinges on a declaration of war is bizarre.

      5. R Mac   1 year ago

        Lying Jeffy: You guys are afraid to discuss proportionate response.

        Jesse an DLAM: We don’t think their should be a proportionate response.

        Lying Jeffy: Haha I’ve got you muted, so I can tell this same lie again later.

      6. damikesc   1 year ago

        I do not care about "proportionality".

        You start a war, you have no right to complain.

        Every death, on both sides, is the fault of Hamas alone.

        1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

          "Every death, on both sides, is the fault of Hamas alone."

          Ayn Rand made this point decades ago, I think in her essay on war (doesn't jeff sometimes claim to be an objectivist?)

          What's different about Israel/hamas that would make this not apply?

          1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   1 year ago

            Lol. I don’t know about that, but he does claim, without evidence, to be a radical individualist.

            1. R Mac   1 year ago

              One of the many reasons I call him Lying Jeffy.

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

          I do not care about “proportionality”.

          That is absurd. Every moral person cares about "proportionality" on some level. As an admittedly extreme example to make the point, suppose a police officer catches a person jaywalking. Would it be an acceptable response for the officer to not only give the jaywalker a ticket, but to arrest him, execute him, go to his house, murder his family, and burn down the house? Obviously not, it would be wildly disproportionate compared to the severity of the crime.

          So there is such a thing as a "proportionate response", even in the case of the Israel-Hamas conflict, the question then is "what is the acceptable range of proportionate responses given the severity of the crimes that Hamas has committed?"

          Every death, on both sides, is the fault of Hamas alone.

          Well that's not true either. That statement denies the agency of every person involved.

          1. R Mac   1 year ago

            In a discussion of war:
            damikesc: I don't care about proportionality.

            Lying Jeffy: bUt wHAt aBoUT jaY waLKeRs?

            1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   1 year ago

              You’d jaywalk too if people were driving around with bears in their trunks. Stoplights is where they usually get out. You wanna keep them cars moving when you’re crossing.

          2. JesseAz   1 year ago

            What about shooting a trespasser Jeff? Need the quote from you?

      7. Commenter_XY   1 year ago

        Are you saying that Israel's response to 1,200 of it's people killed is not proportional, according to the laws of war?

        Because what Israel is doing is considerably less than what America, Russia, China or KSA have done, just in the last decade.

        Not buying the proportionality argument you're trying to make.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

          I am not arguing in this discussion whether Israel's actions constitute a "proportionate" response or not. I am only pointing out that when sarcasmic brought it up, the response from the mean girl crowd was to deflect and argue about the source of the statistics instead.

          1. R Mac   1 year ago

            R Mac 9 hours ago
            Lying Jeffy: You guys are afraid to discuss proportionate response.

            Jesse an DLAM: We don’t think their should be a proportionate response.

            Lying Jeffy: Haha I’ve got you muted, so I can tell this same lie again later.

            It's right here, in this thread. Comment after comment about proportionate response.

            And here's Lying Jeffy saying he doesn't want to talk about whether Israel's actions are "proportionate", he just wants to lie about what other people said.

            Lying Jeffy is a psychopath.

      8. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

        “Three years ago by a little reflection and patience they could have had a hundred years of peace and prosperity, but they preferred war; very well.

        “War is the remedy our enemies have chosen. Other simple remedies were within their choice. You know it and they know it, but they wanted war, and I say let us give them all they want; not a word of argument, not a sign of let up, no cave in till we are whipped or they are.

        “You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth — right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with.

        “War is cruelty. There’s no use trying to reform it, the crueler it is the sooner it will be over.

        “If they want eternal war, well and good; we accept the issue, and will dispossess them.

        – William Tecumseh Sherman

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

          I don't think General Sherman should be cited as a moral authority on much of anything.

          1. JesseAz   1 year ago

            He wasn't a pedophile so doesn't garner your respect.

      9. EISTAU Gree-Vance   1 year ago

        “They don’t have a good answer to that…”

        Sure they do. You just don’t like it.

        1. R Mac   1 year ago

          He doesn’t even know if he likes it. He’s arguing with people he’s muted.

    5. Heedless   1 year ago

      More that it was always obvious that Hamas's numbers were grossly inflated if not completely made up. Statistical analysis proved it more than a month ago.

      Anyone repeating those numbers was either ignorant or motivated. I'll let you decide for yourself which of those describes you.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

        Do you have a reference to this statistical analysis that you are referring to?

        1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

          They just dropped there own numbers by half.

        2. sarcasmic   1 year ago

          Dude, he said it was obvious. That means that everyone knew the numbers were false, and anyone who used them was a liar. Because it was obvious. It’s never the case that people use what information that they have, discover that the information was wrong, and adjust accordingly. No, they knew that the information was wrong and were lying the whole time because they have evil intent. That’s what obvious means.

          Which means his argument is an ad hominem, the most convincing and persuasive argument one can make in these comments.

          1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

            Why would you use any numbers from Hamas?

            1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

              Because propaganda from fanatical and genocidal terrorist organizations are peak reliability for Sarc and Jeff when it comes to slagging Jews.

          2. JesseAz   1 year ago

            You’ve been given links for months. You and Jeff decided you wouldn’t read the evidence since it wasn’t from an approved leftist source like Hamas or MSNBC.

            Which makes the flowing ironic.

            Which means his argument is an ad hominem, the most convincing and persuasive argument one can make in these comments.

            Amazingly the people whose sources you and Jeff chose to ignore were right. You ignored that data because of the source. Nobody ignored the Hamas numbers, they pointed out to the very issues Liz talks about above.

          3. R Mac   1 year ago

            How many topics have you been wrong about, only to blame the people that were right the whole time?

            Do you imagine this is a convincing tactic?

          4. Zeb   1 year ago

            That Hamas would exaggerate numbers for propaganda purposes seems like a pretty reasonable working assumption.

            1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

              When those are the only numbers available, what are you supposed to do? Wait for the IDF to say how many people they've killed and hope they're telling the truth? Guess?

              1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

                ..the only numbers availab….

                LOL

              2. Heedless   1 year ago

                https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers

                Complain about the source if you like. The math is the math.

                When the only numbers given to you are lies, the proper response is to admit that you don't know, not to buy into Baghdad Bob's propaganda because he's the only one willing to give you a number.

                1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                  I used the commonly accepted numbers at the time. Pretty much every news outlet was using those numbers. I get that you’re better than everyone else. Good for you. Have a cookie. But I’m not going to apologize or beg for forgiveness for using what most people considered to be the best available information at the time. You’re making the argument about me, not about the information. That’s what’s called ad hominem or argument against the person. In logic they call it a fallacy. In these comments arguments against the person are the only arguments that matter. So sad how stupid the comments have become.

                  1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

                    The Covid defense.

                  2. R Mac   1 year ago

                    “I used the commonly accepted numbers at the time. Pretty much every news outlet was using those numbers.”

                    There’s a word for this. It rhymes with “narrative”. Pretty funny you admitted this.

                  3. JesseAz   1 year ago

                    Accepted by whom?

                    You’re making the argument about me, not about the information. That’s what’s called ad hominem or argument against the person.

                    We argued against the information at the time when you ignored the counter information.

                    Also not an ad hominem retard.

                    In these comments arguments against the person are the only arguments that matter.

                    Another lie. You were given evidence. You refused the evidence.

                  4. Heedless   1 year ago

                    Not just you.

                    All the media outlets that regurgitated Hamas's numbers without even asking basic questions like "Why is there so little variability day to day?" or "Why is this so different from casualty distributions in other instances of urban warfare?" Or "If they were lying so blatantly about the Al-Alhi hospital missile strike, how trustworthy are the rest of their numbers?"

                    When I say it was obvious from the beginning that the Gaza medical authority's numbers were works of fiction, I mean that they were caught in a massive whopper right at the beginning of the conflict, but the media (and you) simply carried on repeating their casualty figures as though nothing had happened.

                    I don't want your apology. Lord knows I have enough trouble admitting when I'm wrong, but it wold be useful to reflect on why you got taken in by such a flimsy con.

                    1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      …it wold be useful to reflect on why you got taken in by such a flimsy con.

                      I wouldn’t go that far. I went with what basically every news outlet went with. I got my news from the news. That’s what is considered normal. And when the information changes, I reevaluate.

                      As far as flimy cons go, did you hear the one about this guy who, despite not having any evidence, proof, or standing in court, got millions of people to believe the election was stolen?

                      There’s a story not only about people being taken in by a flimy con, but also about them refusing to change their minds no matter what information they are given.

                    2. Heedless   1 year ago

                      Are you really equating yourself to Trump's gang of mouth breathers? Give yourself a little more credit. You didn't start a riot, just engaged in a little undeserved moral one-upmanship.

                      And neither of us is normal. We're nerds debating politics in the internet. We ought to have a deeper understanding of the numbers we're citing than "I read it in the news."

                    3. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      We ought to have a deeper understanding of the numbers we’re citing than “I read it in the news.”

                      Maybe those of you with a deeper understanding can impart it upon those of us who read it in the news in a friendly and informative way.

                    4. R Mac   1 year ago

                      Heedless: You and the media kept believing a source after they got caught lying.

                      Sarc: I don’t know about that. It’s what the media believed so I did too.

                    5. R Mac   1 year ago

                      “I got my news from the news. That’s what is considered normal. And when the information changes, I reevaluate.”

                      There’s a word for this. Rhymes with narrative. Thanks for admitting you follow it. Again.

                    6. R Mac   1 year ago

                      “Are you really equating yourself to Trump’s gang of mouth breathers? Give yourself a little more credit. You didn’t start a riot, just engaged in a little undeserved moral one-upmanship.

                      And neither of us is normal. We’re nerds debating politics in the internet. We ought to have a deeper understanding of the numbers we’re citing than “I read it in the news.””

                      First of all, it wasn’t a riot, it was an insurrection.

                      Second, sarc isn’t a nerd, he’s a drunken idiot that parrots leftist talking points. That’s what he’s doing here. I find it odd you recognize what sarc is doing, but then imagine a world where he’s better than that, when that’s what he regularly does. Sarc doesn’t have a deep understanding of anything except bitter divorce and his family hating him.

                      But I appreciate you telling on yourself.

                    7. JesseAz   1 year ago

                      Maybe those of you with a deeper understanding can impart it upon those of us who read it in the news in a friendly and informative way

                      Also sarc

                      sarcasmic 3 months ago
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                      Mute User
                      I don’t consider links from you guys to be information. I’ve clicked a couple and never found them useful. It has to be from, or confirmed by, someone other than a raving right-wing lunatic for me to give it consideration.
                      *shrug*

              3. JesseAz   1 year ago

                We have to use propaganda numbers because that's all that is available from my biased sources!

              4. Zeb   1 year ago

                I don't need to do anything. I'm content not knowing with any great precision how many people have been killed in a war happening thousands of miles away. Just like with all the other wars happening far away that I know very little about.

          5. Heedless   1 year ago

            https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers

            Complain about the source if you like. The math is the math.

            Anyone with even a basic understanding of what urban combat casualties look like could make the same inference pretty much from the beginning, just without the definitive proof.

            So: ignorant or motivated. Which are you?

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

              Well thanks for providing an actual reference.

              While it is possible that the Gaza authorities really are just making up their data, I would also note that the authors' statistical analysis ends at 11/10/23. Why? That seems a little suspicious.

              There are also other possibilities that the authors did not consider. Such as the fatalities that are measured are due not solely to Israeli airstrikes, but due as well to starvation and other causes that are incidental to the warfighting itself. For example, suppose an Israeli airstrike demolishes an apartment building which kills 10 people but leaves 90 more people homeless. Of those 90, some proportion of those will very likely die from starvation or disease or from other conditions that wouldn't have occurred had they not been homeless in the first place. But those deaths would occur much later than the original airstrike, and in a statistical sense, would appear uncorrelated from that event. So when analyzed statistically, those deaths would look "suspicious" and would give rise to the poor correlations shown in the latter two graphs.

              So the statistical analysis presented in that article is at best superficial. It does not rule out the possibility that Hamas is making up the data, but it does not conclusively prove it either.

              1. R Mac   1 year ago

                "I would also note that the authors’ statistical analysis ends at 11/10/23. Why? That seems a little suspicious."

                Gold. Pure gold Jerry.

              2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   1 year ago

                Haha. Still ruminating on the wet market theory too, Jeff?

        3. Heedless   1 year ago

          https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers

          Complain about the source if you like. The math is the math

    6. R Mac   1 year ago

      Poor sarc, so broken.

    7. Old Engineer   1 year ago

      Yes, you can always count on the Googletariat.

  24. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

    Is Fist sick or something?

    1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

      He's always sick, but in the good way the cool kids mean nowadays.
      🙂
      😉

    2. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

      I HAVE THINGS TO DO

    3. Chumby   1 year ago

      It was fun returning and taking the initial post but he can return to being First of Etiquette.

  25. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

    23 & Me Sells All DNA Assets To Chinese Government in 10 Billion Dollar Deal
    https://medium.com/@matt.ryanallen/23-me-sells-all-dna-assets-to-chinese-government-in-10-billion-dollar-deal-030db9e4e1e8

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

      So we can execute all the employees of 23 and me as being ccp agents

    2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

      Disclaimer: This article is a work of parody and for entertainment purposes only. No such sale or agreement has been made between 23 & Me and any government. Please read with a sense of humor and a grain of salt.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        Also parody.

        https://twitter.com/chemjeff

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

          Reposting Newsom, Sulu, and Boehm is no way to go through life, son.

          1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

            He apparently used to call himself a 'rational conservative' or something similar even though he pushes views that would make Che Guevara and Joseph Goebbels blush.

            1. Chumby   1 year ago

              He indeed goebbels up the calories. That may weigh heavily on him.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                I did not see the big fat deal this became.

  26. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    Successful automatons built for a specific human function—washing clothes, running blood tests, reasoning—tend to simply look the way they need to look...

    Not at all like the metal slaves that they are.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

      So what does the perfect sex robot look like?

      1. Stuck in California   1 year ago

        3' tall, no teeth, flat head.

  27. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

    "All the numbers we're getting out of Gaza are from offices run by Hamas, the terrorist group that perpetrated the October 7 attack... Of nearly 11,000 fatalities reported between Jan. 1 and March 31, the ministry derived 77.7% from media reports. Adult males account for only 9% of fatalities attributed to the news...
    Hamas-run government agencies seem to grasp that it's the killing of women and children that strikes international audiences as especially heinous. "

    Oh no! Now even Liz is a 'mean girl' bullying Sarcasmic.

    1. JesseAz   1 year ago

      Sarc will never ask himself why he is always wrong and those he hates seem to be always right. All while bragging he refuses to click links we provide to bolster our arguments.

  28. Ajsloss   1 year ago

    What's Going on With Gaza's Fatality Numbers?

    Their calculators ran out of batteries and they're doing it all by hand?

    1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

      They're abluting themselves because working with numbers is consorting with Al-Shaytan, but they have to do it to defame and destroy the Kuffir.

  29. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    Luxury buildings start to provide a new amenity: IV drips.

    Luxury4Drips

  30. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

    'What is happening in our doctoral programs?'

    Nothing new.

    In case you forget, almost all the "elite" universities started as religious seminaries, which held a core purpose of reinforcing and propagating the holy doctrine. "Research", like counting--and arguing about--angels on pinheads, was at least as bizarre and useless as the current wave of post-modern grievance study bullshit. But both are more about ideology than knowledge.

    1. Longtobefree   1 year ago

      You don't need a university degree to "discuss" how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
      The scriptural answer is "as many as God wants".

      (unless they are Southern Baptist angels. They won't dance anywhere)

      1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

        The real answer is that angels and gods do not exist, M'Lady. Now let's dance for real!
        🙂
        😉

        1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

          Holy crap! After thousands of years, we finally found the guy with the answers!

          1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

            Seven billion others who think differently are all just ignorant dinks.

        2. R Mac   1 year ago

          So edgy.

        3. Its_Not_Inevitable   1 year ago

          It does beg the question as to whether angels even exist in the first place,

        4. Truthfulness   1 year ago

          You're actually quite mistaken:
          https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/150112918X/reasonmagazinea-20/

          Give it a read.

    2. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

      Plagiarism, fraud, reproducibility crisis.....

    3. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

      Yeah that retarded priest in academia... Issac something

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        You mean the guy who was more interested in alchemy than physics?

      2. Zeb   1 year ago

        It's still true that universities were primarily religious institutions at the time (and for most of their history). Newton was not exactly typical of Cambridge students or fellows.

    4. Moonrocks   1 year ago

      Academia is all just a self-fellating Trans Womyn.

      1. R Mac   1 year ago

        That’s hot.

        — Lying Jeffy

    5. Truthfulness   1 year ago

      The "holy doctrine" rightfully knew how distinguish a man from a woman. Give the Catholics credit, sir.

  31. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    In China, "local state-owned enterprises would be asked to help purchase unsold homes from distressed developers at steep discounts using loans provided by state banks..."

    Are they talking about there or here in America.

  32. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

    Stop the people from voting against democracy (i.e. voting for peace)

    Under the fog of war, Ukraine cancels its 2024 presidential elections
    The Zelensky-led government has transformed the country into a totalitarian dictatorship, as there is no semblance of a liberal democracy left in Ukraine.
    https://www.dossier.today/p/under-the-fog-of-war-ukraine-cancels

    ...All opposition parties have been removed from the parliament, and all non-state media has been banned from the airwaves. The paranoia-infused government has even signed into law a measure to ban all new Russian books from being imported into the country.

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      Hey, we are fighting for freedom over there!

      1. Longtobefree   1 year ago

        If "we" were fighting for freedom over there, every A-10 from every Air National Guard unit would be looking for more Russian tanks to blow up.
        Protected by every F-16 from the same guys.
        But "we" aren't fighting for freedom anywhere.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

          What about in Florida?

        2. Chumby   1 year ago

          There is a reason why NAFO has not attempted a no fly zone.

    2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

      The Zelensky-led government has transformed the country into a totalitarian dictatorship, as there is no semblance of a liberal democracy left in Ukraine.

      See, this type of criticism is histrionic and ultimately dishonest. First, the article itself notes that these changes that Zelensky requested were approved by the parliament. But even still, the larger point here, is that Zelensky is being condemned for not following a standard that is normally only used during peacetime. If Zelensky were declaring martial law, censoring the press, kicking out opposition parties, etc., during peacetime, then yes I would say that is a dangerous turn towards dictatorship. But in case you hadn't heard, the country was invaded and is in a state of war. Normally, governments - whether rightly or wrongly - are given wider latitude to violate civil liberties when in a state of war. We can complain that it shouldn't be the standard, but it undeniably is the standard. Even in our own country, the press was censored and opposition to war was curtailed by the government during every wartime episode. And when the war ended, the restrictions were (mostly) lifted and the US didn't turn into a "totalitarian dictatorship" as a result.

      So trying to apply a peacetime standard to Zelensky when his nation is at war, is fundamentally dishonest, and IMO just another way for the author to state that he thinks the war itself is unjust without outright saying so.

      1. Dillinger   1 year ago

        >>So trying to apply a peacetime standard to Zelensky when his nation is at war

        lol standard ... he's a muppet who closed churches

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

          Again I am not saying that what he is doing is right or just. I am just saying that if you're going to condemn him, at least condemn him based on the proper standard.

          You would be hard-pressed to find any democratic nation which didn't institute some curtailment of civil liberties during a time of war. Did they all turn into "totalitarian dictatorships"? Of course not. Should they have curtailed civil liberties during wartime? That is a different question. But it hardly seems fair to hold Zelensky up to a standard that not even Western democratic nations can adhere to.

          1. JesseAz   1 year ago

            You literally just defended it dumbass. Stop the sophistry. And did so again in this very response.

          2. R Mac   1 year ago

            Shorter Lying Jeffy: Zelensky deserves criticism, just not by people I hate.

            1. Chumby   1 year ago

              Maybe he is starting to waddle back his support of the puppet bandera. Progress.

      2. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

        You have more excuses than a climate doomer whose models have failed for the 201st time.

        1. Old Engineer   1 year ago

          Yes, the doomers finally broke the 200 barrier. And people said that it couldn't be done!

      3. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        Did we do these things when we were at war?

        1. JesseAz   1 year ago

          Had a few elections during Vietnam.

          1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

            Even during the civil war.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

              Hell, Lincoln was so afraid of losing that one, he helped get Nevada in as a state under the population threshold (40,000 instead of 60,000).

              1. Commenter_XY   1 year ago

                And arranged for a massive number of 'leaves' right around election day.

      4. JesseAz   1 year ago

        First, the article itself notes that these changes that Zelensky requested were approved by the parliament.

        Those in power voted to keep themselves in power! See! All good.

        Did you get even more retarded?

      5. Commenter_XY   1 year ago

        chemjeff, let's cut to the chase. Should the US be involved in UKR?

        What is America's vital national interest in UKR?

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

          I think liberty-loving nations do need to take a stand against blatant widescale violations of liberty, such as an invasion of a sovereign nation. The question remains however what "taking a stand" should be. That is more of a tactical/pragmatic question rather than an ideological question. I do NOT think the US, or any nation, should "invade the world" in order to liberate it, because, even if done with sincere intent, it does more harm than good in the end. I think that the US supplying arms, but not soldiers, to Ukraine is reasonable. I would demand more accountability of where the arms and money is going, to know that the money is being well spent. But I do not think the US should do nothing while sovereign nations are being invaded. If we do, then it would mean that we learned nothing from 1930's Europe.

          1. R Mac   1 year ago

            LMAO. Thanks Lying Jeffy, this post is amazing.

      6. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

        "First, the article itself notes that these changes that Zelensky requested were approved by the parliament"

        It seems to me that many dictators were "approved" in this way at first.

        1. R Mac   1 year ago

          Historical ignorance is a tool of leftists.

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

          Well, sure. And maybe Zelensky really has gone full dictator. But we won't know that unless he tries the same shit even in peacetime. That is the real test.

          1. R Mac   1 year ago

            Wow.

            1. Chumby   1 year ago

              Goal posts shifted time zones away.

  33. Quo Usque Tandem   1 year ago

    Climate change, sex trafficking, dead Palestinians…if your cause is just, you can just pull numbers out of your ass.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

      Elections?

      1. Moonrocks   1 year ago

        Now you're getting it.

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

        Especially elections. Except in Ukraine.

    2. Super Scary   1 year ago

      Don't forget jobs numbers!

    3. Quo Usque Tandem   1 year ago

      And if anyone dares question them, accuse them of various forms of hate and phobia.

      Propaganda at its finest.

    4. Chumby   1 year ago

      Actual full battery charge travel distances in EVs?

  34. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    What is happening in our doctoral programs?

    I'm beginning to suspect that academia might be starting to collapse in on itself.

    1. Ajsloss   1 year ago

      Good to know that walls close in somewhere.

    2. JesseAz   1 year ago

      Not with the billions our elected betters give them and prop them up.

    3. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

      Whenever progtards say something is a fundamental human right, it just means they've hijacked it. You lose your govt job? Get a cushy gig at a university.

      Our experts are being produced by entities flooded with plagiarism and made up data.

    4. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

      All progressives complaints are about themselves. University professors claim Capitol ism is corrupt and does nothing good, because they are corrupt and do nothing good

      1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

        One thing Capitalism is not about is the Capitol.

  35. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

    “If I am brutally honest, the only realistic way I see emissions falling as fast as they need to, to avoid catastrophic #climate breakdown, is the culling of the human population by a pandemic with a very high fatality rate,” wrote McGuire, Professor of Geophysical & Climate Hazards at University College London (UCL).

    1. JesseAz   1 year ago

      That sounds like an unserious university department.

      1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

        Is there another kind?

      2. mad.casual   1 year ago

        I'll believe it when it's discovered on a suicide note next to his body.

        Otherwise, he's confused actual brutal honesty with professional(ly expedient), reputable technical accuracy at best.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

          Has anyone ever seen McGuire and Paul Ehrlich in the same room?

        2. damikesc   1 year ago

          Always been my argument with the "We are overpopulated" crowd.

          Bill Gates? I will buy that we are overpopulated when you're oh-so-needed body is found dead on the side of the road.

    2. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      Funny he thinks a pandemic is the only answer.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        Didn't he ever see The Terminator?

      2. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

        He doesn't think that. He wants the prog armies to remove the climate deniers from the face of the earth.

        He just won't say it out loud.

        1. Commenter_XY   1 year ago

          I actually think he did say it out loud. 😉

    3. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

      Yeah, saw that asshole on Twitter post that last weekend. Chris Martz ripped him a new one over it.

    4. Its_Not_Inevitable   1 year ago

      Is this one of those "betters" the Rev is always droning on about?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

        Yes.

    5. Jefferson Paul   1 year ago

      Climate change is going to be so catastrophic that millions, possibly billions, of people are going to die as a result of the disaster we are heading toward. The solution to avoid all the deaths in the future is to kill billions of people now.

  36. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

    "the actual crime here is giving a PhD for somebody whose research proposal is "talking to their own classmates about what they think of their PhD program""

    isnt this the norm now? Wasnt that Harvard prez's entire (plagiarized) career just 3rd order victim study tripe and she was labeled "a scholar's scholar"

  37. mad.casual   1 year ago

    All of this is fair and defensible, but must be based on accurate numbers.

    Defensible maybe, fair, no. Again, on Oct. 8th the whole issue could've been resolved and, rather than protests and arms, foreign aid could've started flowing in if Hamas had issued a statement saying "Sorry, our bad, here's the guys responsible (that are still alive) and here's the hostages (that are still alive)." and turned over both accordingly.

    Instead, they're shouting "Not Fair!" in the perennial past time of "Stupid games, stupid prizes." You can cry "Not Fair!" after poking the Bear, but it's neither accurate, nor critical, nor even relevant to the the game.

    1. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

      They don't care

      Black Lives Matter Org Praises Hamas, Sparks Backlash
      Published Oct 10, 2023 at 4:11 PM EDT
      https://www.newsweek.com/black-lives-matter-praises-hamas-sparks-backlash-1833630

      1. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

        sorry, should go here https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1711799522727243792

      2. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

        Not the first time BLM praises bad people:

        https://medium.com/@BlackLivesMatterNetwork/lessons-from-fidel-black-lives-matter-and-the-transition-of-el-comandante-c11ee5e51fb0

        We are feeling many things as we awaken to a world without Fidel Castro. There is an overwhelming sense of loss, complicated by fear and anxiety. Although no leader is without their flaws, we must push back against the rhetoric of the right and come to the defense of El Comandante. And there are lessons that we must revisit and heed as we pick up the mantle in changing our world, as we aspire to build a world rooted in a vision of freedom and the peace that only comes with justice. It is the lessons that we take from Fidel.

    2. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

      Hamas ordered October 7th and wanted it. Dummy.

    3. Dillinger   1 year ago

      >>Instead, they’re shouting “Not Fair!”

      Reason's all #metoo

  38. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

    https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1711799522727243792

  39. Tyval Dayall   1 year ago

    Last night I killed 34,735 brain cells.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

      Minnesota Timberwolves fan?

      1. R Mac   1 year ago

        Jokic is so fucking good.

  40. sarcasmic   1 year ago

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13421041/angie-harmon-instacart-driver-dog-shot-dead.html

    Angie Harmon describes the horror of watching Instacart driver shoot her dog dead in 'self defense'

    Was the guy an off-duty cop?

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      Old news.

    2. JesseAz   1 year ago

      God damn man. This story was already largely debunked.

      https://www.mercurynews.com/2024/04/05/angie-harmons-dog-oliver-did-bite-instacart-driver-before-being-killed-police-say/

      Even here you go with the initial narrative without inspection.

    3. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

      Who knew that Kristi Noem worked for Instacart?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

        Who knew that you wouldn’t read Jesse’s post and link first before merely attacking and dehumanizing someone else.

        1. JesseAz   1 year ago

          All they have are narratives.

          1. Chumby   1 year ago

            And boxes of doughnuts.

            1. JesseAz   1 year ago

              Crates*

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                55-gallon drums of cheesy poofs.

                1. R Mac   1 year ago

                  Barely touched by inflation.

    4. Super Scary   1 year ago

      I figured it was another case of the dog breed of peace doing what they do, but it turns out it was a beagle mix. Bro just needed to nudge the thing out of the way, it's like 20 pounds.

      1. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

        the German shepherd/beagle dog

        I'd always try to avoid killing a dog, but I will not let a dog bite me. The victim should counter sue Harmon for the dog bite.

        1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

          Except he wasn't bit. He said the dog tried to bite him, and the police of course gave him their blessing. Don't know if the dog really tried to bite him, or if the guy is looking for a job with the police force.

          1. JesseAz   1 year ago

            Hey sarc... I posted the link. You look extra retarded.

          2. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

            Sadly, this has nothing to do with your hobbyhorse, the cops.

          3. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

            While police would not say how they determined the delivery person acted in self-defense, they insisted to TMZ that he was attacked and had bite marks on him from the dog.

            And you wonder why you are mocked.

            1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

              And you believe them?

              1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

                You believe hamas.

              2. JesseAz   1 year ago

                Do you have counter evidence?

              3. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

                For now they're the only accepted source for the information.

  41. sarcasmic   1 year ago

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13419649/GOP-Valentina-Gomez-video-bulletproof-jacket.html

    Missouri GOP candidate Valentina Gomez sparks fury with campaign video telling voters not to be 'weak and gay'- as she jogs in bulletproof jacket

    That's funny.

    1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

      She's another right-wing attention whore in the vein of MTG and Matt Gaetz.

      Just peruse her Twitter profile

      https://twitter.com/valentinaforsos?lang=en

      and you'll see that she loves to run around with her big guns, talk a lot about pissing off the libruls, "fighting corruption", praises Trump, "make Missouri great again", blah blah. But what would she do as Secretary of State? Who knows!

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        Which dems tweet did you get this from?

        1. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

          @chemjeff account. Where else?

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

            Why yes, I did look at her twitter profile from my @chemjeff account. Why do you ask?

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

            Oh and you'll especially love this.

            https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/missouri-republican-candidate-torches-lgbtq-inclusive-books-viral-vide-rcna137715

            “This is what I will do to the grooming books when I become secretary of state,” Valentina Gomez, 24, of St. Louis, said in the video on X, Facebook and Instagram before she lit at least two books on fire. “These books come from a Missouri public library. When I’m in office, they will burn.”

            1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

              Another reason to not have chicks in charge.

          3. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

            So, the book burning right-wing attention whore is running a publicity stunt disguised as a campaign. Clearly the only reason she could possibly lose the election is due to massive voter fraud. Cue the podcast deals!

            1. JesseAz   1 year ago

              https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/527967-the-lefts-turn-against-freedom-curb-speech-ban-books-make-an-enemies-list/

              https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/john-kass/ct-met-kavanaugh-democrats-kass-20181009-story.html

              Should I continue Jeff? Did this not show up in the accounts of the Democrats you follow?

  42. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

    https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1790421854877806759

    “Governments remote control of car use installed in car without my consent”

    “Now equipped with Geo-Fencing & Geo-timing capabilities”

    Are Governments already preparing vehicles for their 15 Minute City entrapment as part of Agenda 2030?

    1. Old Engineer   1 year ago

      There will be a huge market for disabling Geo-Fencing devices in cars, as well as a huge market for aftermarket parts for older cars. The people we thought were idiots for driving and maintaining 1964 Mustangs may be getting the last laugh.

      1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        Old cars will be made illegal for use on roads.

        1. Old Engineer   1 year ago

          How will the cops catch us once we learn how they shut down cars? We'll shut down the cop cars.

          1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

            HA!

  43. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

    https://x.com/Andreafreedom76/status/1790753941480734937

    1. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

      WordPress is evidently censoring any explicit references to hanky panky concerning fortification building in Ukr*aine and where the m*ney may have went to.

      1. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

        https://x.com/bishopadiele/status/1790718351653888384

        This is what is happening all over Ukraine right now as Russians walk over Kharkiv like they’re on a picnic taking territories like it’s no man’s business So Ukrainians are asking, “where are the fortifications? Because they’re surprised at how quickly their fronts are collapsing

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

          I got your fortifications right here.
          https://www-pravda-com-ua.translate.goog/rus/columns/2024/05/13/7455571/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
          Where are the fortifications? Kharkiv OVA paid millions to fictitious companies

          1. R Mac   1 year ago

            I’m sure nobody in Washington is connected to those companies.

            1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

              Is one of them the Robert L. Peter’s Corp?

  44. Dillinger   1 year ago

    the death toll is war porn.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

      Neocons need orgasms too.

    2. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      Are you old enough to remember the nightly body counts from Vietnam?

      1. Dillinger   1 year ago

        no my first tv memories were c.1974 ... Happy Days, Maude

        the covid death counts were ridiculous porn

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

        I am. And the nightly film of body bags coming home. GWB ended that with the whole embedded reporter scheme. Foreign war coverage has been scrupulously sanitized since then.

      3. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

        Barely, but I do remember the breathless anticipation with which talking heads gave us the daily COVID death counts.

    3. mad.casual   1 year ago

      What's Going On With Gaza's Fatality Numbers?

      IDK, what's going on with these stairs?

      1. Dillinger   1 year ago

        damn that's some fine youtubing.

  45. Randy Sax   1 year ago

    Twitch Streamer Calls On Riot Games To Ban Aggressive Players
    https://scnr.com/article/twitch-streamer-calls-on-riot-games-to-ban-aggressive-players_c625d506128111ef9c930242ac1c0002

    If you can't stand the heat, get out of the fucking kitchen. Some people enjoy shit talking, if that's not you play a different game.

    You can make Die Hard more "inclusive". Edit out the guns and the blood and the swear words and put in rainbows and puppies and unicorns. You now have a more inclusive movie. You've also ruined it.

    1. Super Scary   1 year ago

      We should invent a time travel machine to grab a player from a late 2000s Halo or CoD lobby. He’d be a super villain in today’s time.

    2. mad.casual   1 year ago

      If this goes unpunished I am taking this as an active act from you that you do not give a single f— about any of the women and minorities that play your game

      Let me get this straight, if we don’t control everyone’s speech to your liking, you’ll blackmail us to people you assert are so weak that they can be defeated by rough language and name calling? Good luck.

    3. American Mongrel   1 year ago

      I bet all of those gamers were super tough in the days before completely anonymous communication.

  46. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>Whether it's college students on American campuses

    blm plants

    >>or the Biden administration that's recently started to pause weapons shipments to Israel

    one shipment

    >>there's a sense that many are souring on the Israeli cause

    nope

  47. alconnolly   1 year ago

    By what metric is Hamas a "terrorist organisation" and the Israeli government not one?
    Liz?
    Anyone?
    One single metric.

    1. Dillinger   1 year ago

      lol go away.

    2. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

      Hamas proclaims explicitly it's goal is to destroy Israel and has Islam as it's official religion, whose explicit goal is to forcibly convert or murder the entire human species on Planet Earth.

      Israel has no such goal with the residents of Gaza or anywhere else.

      Shit simple, ain't it?

      1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

        Israel has no such goal with the residents of Gaza or anywhere else.

        Yeah, the Israelis just want to keep an apartheid state like South Africa or the Jim Crow south. In any other context most people can say that systemized segregation and discrimination is unjust, but if you don't like what Israel is doing you're a Jew-hating, holocaust-denying, fascist, Nazi, terrorist-lover.

        1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

          " the Israelis just want to keep an apartheid state like South Africa or the Jim Crow south."

          Do you have any actual knowledge about the situation in Israel?

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

            Do you have any purpose around here other than to troll and try to generate 'gotcha' moments?

            1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

              He's only here to score points with the girls, and looks much better in grey.

              1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                Why do you think muting people pretending to mute people is some kind of punishment?

              2. Dillinger   1 year ago

                is that a Stacy Keach joke?

            2. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

              Pointing out double standards = "gotcha" to jeff.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                This is the same type of Troll Mac bullshit that he liked to spew. He claimed that he was just interested in "keeping people honest" but in reality he would just harass a few people and he would spend the vast majority of his comments doing nothing but that. That's called trolling. You're just here to have fun at the expense of others, just like the rest of the mean girls around here.

                1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                  I honestly don't care about anything BG has to say. Before I muted him he'd never added anything to a conversation, and nothing indicates that that has changed.

                  1. R Mac   1 year ago

                    What would indicate he hasn’t changed if you have him muted?

                  2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                    Yeah BG is about to go into the ignore pile for me too. He just trolls and adds nothing of value.

                    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

                      POST YOUR LIST!

                    2. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      He insisted to me that I read his comments and actually give a shit about what he has to say, so I said I'd show him what not giving a shit looks like. That was the last reply to any of his posts that I made.

                    3. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                      So you can’t take anything or anyone that goes against your narrative, got it.

                    4. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      I've never "insisted" anyone read any of my comments. Don't give a shit if you do.

            3. JesseAz   1 year ago

              Self reflection is not your or sarcs strong points lol.

              1. Chumby   1 year ago

                Several mirrors may need to be lined up along their widths to facilitate that.

            4. damikesc   1 year ago

              He asked a valid question of sarc. He's claiming Israel wants to run an apartheid state. His knowledge of the situation in Israel seems to be a legit inquiry.

        2. JesseAz   1 year ago

          Leftist buzzwords noted.

        3. Commenter_XY   1 year ago

          Do you actually believe that? = Yeah, the Israelis just want to keep an apartheid state like South Africa or the Jim Crow south.

          You were being sarcastic, correct? It reads to me like you were being sarcastic. But, I like to ask to make sure.

          1. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

            His upstream handlers have provided the talking points, so yeah, he believes that.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

      Eat a bullet.

    4. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      Dumbass

    5. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

      Stormfront is thataway ->

    6. Zeb   1 year ago

      I don't know. Maybe the definitions of words.

    7. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

      Welllll, by the ML standard, Biden's Department of Justice is equivalent to the Stasi because they are doing something that is vaguely remotely similar to what the Stasi actually did.

      So I guess by this standard, that makes the Israeli government a "terrorist state" because they are doing things that are vaguely remotely similar to what actual terrorists do.

      But I don't think that these idiots around here actually think clearly about the standards that they advocate for.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        I know. Political prosecutions are just normal for working democracies. We should ignore all that. Democrats on X said everything is fine and saying Stasi is a sign of a future dictator, so we should trust them.

      2. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        What? You don’t have ML muted?

        1. JesseAz   1 year ago

          Neither does sarc. They share the same list!

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

            Some would claim they share the same single brain cell too.

      3. R Mac   1 year ago

        What do you think of this, Lying Jeffy?

        https://pjmedia.com/lincolnbrown/2024/03/26/dish-network-lawsuit-dropped-after-donation-to-biden-campaign-n4927651

    8. mad.casual   1 year ago

      Your support for terrorist organizations.

    9. Chumby   1 year ago

      Having Palestine join NAFO makes a lot of this go away.

  48. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>"anti-racist" retreats for white women (that end up, in fact, being quite racist in the end

    Mean Girls not just a movie.

    1. Ajsloss   1 year ago

      Mean Girls not just a movie, it's a great movie.

      FTFY

      1. Dillinger   1 year ago

        and apparently quite the documentary

    2. Chumby   1 year ago

      Eurotrip

      Sarc-ey doesn’t know.

  49. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>What is happening in our doctoral programs?

    it takes intelligence to carp another's work and pass it off undetected.

  50. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >> Successful automatons … tend to simply look the way they need to look, which tends to be weird

    2004 was huge step up from the 1979 Cylons

  51. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>Luxury buildings start to provide a new amenity: IV drips.

    trusting IHG and Wyndham to needle your arm seems like a Bad Idea Jeans commercial

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

      Motel 6, and we’ll leave the drip on for you.

      1. Dillinger   1 year ago

        love it.

  52. MWAocdoc   1 year ago

    “All of this is fair and defensible, but must be based on accurate numbers.”

    What some people believe and whether they “sour” on the Gaza-Israeli War is totally irrelevant. Libertarians should believe that arms manufacturers in the United States should be free to sell arms to whomever they want to sell them to at a mutually agreed price (with the possible exception for selling arms to the enemy during a declared war or selling top secret technology contracted exclusively by our own military). On the other hand, we should all be against sending tax dollars or arms paid for by the US government and the taxpayers to ANYONE else regardless of how they feel about the recipient.

    1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

      See, now this is a sensible take.

      I cannot say I agree 100% with it, but at least it is firmly grounded in libertarian principle, and not the question-begging shifting "standards" offered by most around here where they rationalize their feelings instead.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        Jeff. This has been the take of everyone you hate here since it started. We didn’t need to lie with Hamas narratives to get there that was always our position. Same with Ukraine.

        We aren't the ones yelling proportional response against Israel defending itself like you did just above.

        You are the one attacking Israel while defending Ukraine. Lol.

        1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

          It’s hard to know what people are saying when you have them muted.

  53. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

    So here is an article from Just The News, so you can't attack the source on this one.

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/possible-trump-vp-pick-ben-carson-calls-ending-no-fault-divorce

    Ben Carson, allegedly a possible Trump VP pick, comes out in favor of banning no-fault divorce.

    Why exactly is this the new front in the right-wing culture wars? Let's see if Carson gives a clue:

    "When there are relatively few legal or financial consequences connected with divorce, it’s natural for people to gravitate toward that option when their marriage hits a rough patch,” he continues. “What those people often don’t consider, however, is the harm — both present and future — inflicted on their children once a divorce is finalized.”

    Aha - it's for the children! Make it harder for spouses to leave abusive relationships because, won't you think of the children?

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

      Aha – it’s for the children! Make it harder for spouses to leave abusive relationships because, won’t you think of the children?

      LOL, how many spouses file divorce due to domestic violence, as opposed to, "I just don't want to be married anymore" or "I'm not living as the best version of myself."

      For fuck's sake, Ricardo Kaka's wife said she divorced him because he "was too perfect." The dude didn't do a fucking thing wrong, and his wife STILL left him because women like that are going to be a miserable wreck no matter what.

      And yeah, divorce is absolutely traumatizing for the kids, regardless of how amicable the process might be. It's a big reason that kids who have the best outcomes largely come from two-parent households. Not single parent families.

      1. Lester75   1 year ago

        Kids or no kids if one part wants a divorce, divorce should be available. Constant fighting even if only shouting and broken dishes is no good for kids.

        If a guy wants a divorce because his wife is cheating or won't sleep with him are you going to say he should stay married for the sake of the kids? Or is it only when the woman initiates a divorce that it shouldn't be allowed 'for the sake of the kids'?

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

          Kids or no kids if one part wants a divorce, divorce should be available. Constant fighting even if only shouting and broken dishes is no good for kids.

          That’s typically the counter-argument, but it’s mainly an appeal to emotion that doesn’t square with the real-world data on divorce impacts.

          If a guy wants a divorce because his wife is cheating or won’t sleep with him are you going to say he should stay married for the sake of the kids? Or is it only when the woman initiates a divorce that it shouldn’t be allowed ‘for the sake of the kids’?

          Infidelity has long been used as a reason for divorce by both women and men even before no-fault, you moron. And it’s not surprising you’re trafficking in a false dilemma and a strawman, besides.

          That’s the problem with you dipshits–you all actually think the propaganda by the left about the culture of the 1950s is fact, instead of circular reasoning employed in aid of their social engineering.

          Or are you claiming that children of divorce are actually better off than those who aren’t? Show your work if that's the case, shithead.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

            you all actually think the propaganda by the left about the culture of the 1950s is fact

            Some of us grew up in families informed by 1950s values and know better.

            1. Nobartium   1 year ago

              You didn't have to admit that you hate your parents, but here you did.

              I've long suspected that the main reason people have any liberal tendencies is due to hating their parents, and I thank you for the data point.

              1. Chumby   1 year ago

                He’s still bitter about hen his dad grounded him for shoving his GI Joe doll up his ass.

              2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                I don't hate my parents. That is you stuffing words into my mouth. You know, what you all claim that I do all the time.

                1. Truthfulness   1 year ago

                  That's because your rejection of "1950s values" encourages hatred of your parents. You claimed you knew better, after all.

            2. R Mac   1 year ago

              Is Kirkland a Lying Jeffy sock?

            3. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

              Rejecting 1950s values is a big reason that social maladaptive behaviors are so endemic.

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

        And yeah, divorce is absolutely traumatizing for the kids, regardless of how amicable the process might be.

        And here's the problem: regardless of whatever empirical data you have for how bad divorce is on kids, you and your team would STILL restrict no-fault divorce EVEN FOR CHILDLESS COUPLES. So this push to get rid of no-fault divorce really isn't about the kids after all, is it?

        The cry of "for the sake of the children" is just as fake when Team Red does it as when Team Blue does it. The kids are just props to justify the broader ideology. And in either case, it's about greater government control of *everyone's* lives.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

          Thanks for admitting that actual data doesn't matter when it shows the dysfunction of social leftism.

          Your main complaint about no-fault divorce being restricted seems to be the same old liberal self-indulgence. And if it causes greater social dysfunction in kids, who end up becoming adults with those same dysfunctions, well, long-term thinking never was a feature of leftist thinking.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

            You want to restrict no-fault divorce even if there are no kids involved in the marriage. That is you admitting that the kids in this case are just props for you to enact your real agenda of "stopping social leftism". Apparently to you, people being free to make choices over their lives without a social morality czar decreeing whether or not they are entitled to get divorced, constitutes "social leftism".

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

              You want to restrict no-fault divorce even if there are no kids involved in the marriage. That is you admitting that the kids in this case are just props for you to enact your real agenda of “stopping social leftism”.

              And you're making claims about divorce laws of the past that have no basis in fact. Absolutely nothing you argue should be taken at face value.

              The fact you can't refute the actual social harms caused by divorce to the social and emotional development of kids shows you don't give a shit about that, either.

    2. JesseAz   1 year ago

      Jeff. It is you who attack sources here constantly. Most of us love reading the idiocy of your Dark Brandon links. Lol.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

        And on top of that, Jeff's assertion is a false dilemma. Women WERE allowed to sue for divorce citing abuse in the relationship prior to no-fault laws.

        What's left out here was the social stigma attached to divorce at the time, at least for the middle and upper classes. Women often covered up signs of abuse specifically because people might ask them, "Well, if you're being beaten, why haven't you tried to divorce him?" It was because abuse was a perfectly valid reason to start divorce proceedings. Women in those classes might lose their social status by divorcing, whereas women in working class homes had no status to really lose by leaving their husbands (and vice versa), so divorce was more common there. Not surprisingly, kids in working class homes typically struggled more than those in the middle classes (upper classes is pretty much a given that they had far greater odds of coming out ahead), due to the instability that came with broken homes.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

          Women WERE allowed to sue for divorce citing abuse in the relationship prior to no-fault laws.

          It's not a false dilemma. I didn't say it was impossible. I said that getting rid of no-fault divorce would make it HARDER to get divorced in cases of abuse. And it would - it would add another layer of burdens from a couple wanting a divorce, for whatever reason.

          Why do you think you should be the judge of why two married people unrelated to you want to get a divorce? Who died and made you Marriage King?

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

            And your claim is total bullshit, because abuse was considered a valid reason for divorce in those horrible 1950s your side hates so much. Women HID abuse back then in order to keep marriages together.

            So your assertion isn't even based in fact. It's a false construct based strictly on the assertions of second wave feminists that marriage is an oppressive institution.

    3. R Mac   1 year ago

      Lol, you’re desperation is amusing, Lying Jeffy.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        He has certainly had a fun morning today. His 6 days for us to forget his dem reposting twitter account wasn’t long enough.

        1. Chumby   1 year ago

          "That was four days ago, five days ago!" Biden interjected.

          - ABC News 18 August 2021

    4. Zeb   1 year ago

      Why do you need a no fault divorce in an abusive relationship?
      I think no fault divorce should be allowed. But the spouse who initiates it has no claim on communal property or future income of the other spouse. You want to break the contract, fine. Just don’t expect to do it without any penalty.
      Regarding Carson, the federal government has nothing to do with divorce laws. I think Carson should stick to the thing that he is unquestionably really good at and stay out of politics. But he's pretty harmless.

      1. Commenter_XY   1 year ago

        Regarding Carson, the federal government has nothing to do with divorce laws.

        That was true until Clinton, and DOMA. That changed everything.

        Interesting solution you propose on 'no fault'. Creative.

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

        Why do you need a no fault divorce in an abusive relationship?

        It depends on the abuse, doesn't it? If there is not the option for a no-fault divorce, then someone has to define the acceptable reasons for getting a divorce. And if that reason is "abuse", then someone has to define what constitutes abuse. And in this situation, in the absence of no-fault divorce, there is always going to be that marginal case where one person in a relationship believes he/she is being abused, but doesn't qualify as "abuse" according to the letter of the law. That is the problem.

        1. Nobartium   1 year ago

          That's no more a problem than states having different laws, at all.

      3. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

        I think no fault divorce should be allowed. But the spouse who initiates it has no claim on communal property or future income of the other spouse. You want to break the contract, fine. Just don’t expect to do it without any penalty.

        Well, I would leave it up to each couple to define the terms of their own contract.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

          If a marriage is nothing more than a transaction, there's very little reason to actually get married.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

            You have it backwards. Marriage is the legal formalism surrounding the union of two people who wish to be committed to each other. When that commitment is no longer present, the marriage contract shouldn't force them to be together when they no longer want them to be.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

              No, that's a partnership. It's not a marriage. And it shows that your side absolutely doesn't take the institution seriously in any way whatsoever.

  54. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

    So Canada has figured out how to end poverty and homelessness.
    https://slaynews.com/news/disabled-canadian-man-celebrates-escaping-being-euthanized-government-debts/
    Disabled Canadian Man Celebrates Escaping being Euthanized by Government over Debts

    1. Moonrocks   1 year ago

      UN Cuts Number of Children Killed by Half sounded pretty ridiculous, and then US Envoy Condemns Democracy, Strums Guitar in Warzone blew it out of the water, but Disabled Canadian Man Celebrates Escaping being Euthanized by Government over Debts just takes the cake. Surely we won't see a more ridiculous headline this week. It's only Wednesday, but still.

  55. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

    We had many headlines like this: "The not-so-hidden racism behind mispronouncing Kamala Harris’s name"

    Then we had this happen (again):

    Biden's references to Harris only got more cringeworthy from there, though. When bringing up his message about the Democratic Party's obsession with abortion and trying to "restore" Roe v. Wade, he very obviously mispronounced Kamala Harris' name, also referring to her only as her first name.

    We'll be told, of course, that when Joe Biden does it, it's (D)ifferent.

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      He’s a well meaning old man with bad memory.

    2. JasonT20   1 year ago

      Roe v. Wade was overturned because of the Republican obsession with abortion. The GOP spent decades pandering to religious conservatives to win them to their side with emotional pleas. And the precedent was overturned only because those same GOP tactics included: a) focusing on developing and appointing reliable conservative judges and Justices and b) state legislatures constantly pushing past existing precedents to get one of those laws before the Supreme Court so it could overrule Roe.

      Don't try and pin the abortion wars on Democrats. They thought that they had won after Casey in 1992. But every GOP nominee on the Court now gave the usual lip service to established precedent and the principle of stare decisis during their confirmation hearings, and claimed to be open minded regarding any future case that would come before them. In other words, they lied through their teeth. Thomas infamously claimed never to have given Roe much thought, but he was part of the dissent in Casey, heard less than a year after he joined SCOTUS. Simply put, he was an obvious abortion foe from day 1 on the Court.

      1. Dillinger   1 year ago

        Roe v. Wade was overturned because overturning Roe v. Wade was warranted.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

        Don’t try and pin the abortion wars on Democrats. They thought that they had won after Casey in 1992.

        LOL, yeah, the left doesn't like the myth of their historic determinism popped. That's why they deflect on areas that they're getting pushback on as "dumb culture war issues" to try and get the right to disengage from resistance.

        It only becomes a culture war when the right pushes back against the left. Otherwise, it's "transformative change" that's "disrupting and dismantling" whatever bourgeois capitalism cultural stand-in the left is attacking.

      3. Commenter_XY   1 year ago

        It is 2 years, post Dobbs, and the world has not ended. Abortion services are widely available, and the people in each state are deciding for themselves what restrictions, if any, they want on abortion.

        Oh, the horror....the People deciding for themselves because the politicians and courts cannot.

      4. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

        I believe the term is "The facts changed."

  56. JasonT20   1 year ago

    I couldn't easily find sourced figures for the amount of explosives dropped on Gaza by Israeli forces. But given the sheer amount of destruction, 30-35,000 dead seems lower than I would have expected. I do see reports that claim to get their numbers from satellite images that upwards of 300,000 homes (including apartment units) have been damaged with at least 70,000 destroyed. Now, Israel has made substantial effort to warn residents of Gaza where they were going to strike in advance in many cases, but I don't expect that they've done that all of the time, simply because they would want to kill Hamas leaders. Telling the Hamas leaders hiding in a residential area that the area was going to be bombed tomorrow gives them time to leave. If they have decent intel that a leader is going to be at location X, they might try and strike it with more precise weapons and just live with civilians being killed along with Hamas.

    My point is that the figure of ~30k dead does not seem at all implausible. All reports of the number killed need to be treated with proper skepticism, as with anything else. But the size of that number is not a red flag to me.

    Now, another thing to note is that this is the number killed by guns and bombs, correct? I think it would be fair to add in any civilians that would have lived (at least in the short term of months or longer) but that died due to lack of basic medical care, food, etc. That would undoubtedly be even harder to get reliable data for, but it can't be ignored, either.

    1. mtrueman   1 year ago

      "Telling the Hamas leaders hiding in a residential area that the area was going to be bombed tomorrow gives them time to leave. "

      Israel had been telling the entire world of their intention to invade Rafah for weeks if not months. This gave resistance fighters more than enough time to prepare ambushes and booby traps, not just in Rafah, but in central and northern Gaza, as well. The result is as can be expected. Thousands of Palestinian fighters enjoying home ice advantage are inflicting casualties on the IDF with an intensity not seen since Oct. 7th 2023, when the IDF allowed militants to breech their billion dollar fence and attack. Zeitoun in the north, for example, has just seen Israel withdraw its forces for the third time. The first two times after declaring Zeitoun was cleared of militants, and this third time in the face of heavy fighting.

      1. Commenter_XY   1 year ago

        misconstrueman, the antisemitic Hamas cheerleader.

        1. mtrueman   1 year ago

          Feel better now?

          1. Truthfulness   1 year ago

            Yes. Commenter_XY told the truth.

  57. mtrueman   1 year ago

    The Times of Israel reports on statements by MP Lapid:

    “The government has lost control,” Lapid writes on X, formerly Twitter. “Soldiers are killed every day in Gaza and they fight among themselves on television. The cabinet is disassembled and non-functional. Ministers protest in front of cabinet meetings.”

    “One cabinet sends humanitarian aid convoys and the other burns them,” he continues. “Relations with the US are collapsing, the middle class is collapsing, they have lost the north.”

    “You can’t go on like this. We will not win with this government,” he adds.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/lapid-accuses-government-of-losing-control-says-israel-cant-go-on-like-this/

    Let's not worry about any of that. We have numbers to quibble over.

    1. Commenter_XY   1 year ago

      Listen rather, to the words of Naftali Bennett, former PM of Israel.

      https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/389782

      1. mtrueman   1 year ago

        Let me know when Hamas surrenders. It's gotta be soon, right?

        "The government has lost control,” Lapid writes.
        "Israeli government must decide at last what it wants," Bennet writes.

        Israel obviously needs more cheerful cheerleaders. Smiling, number quibbling cheerleaders. That's the ticket.

        1. damikesc   1 year ago

          Do not care if Hamas surrenders.

          Gut them like a fish regardless.

          1. mtrueman   1 year ago

            Feel better? Try Nazi fish. it's more hysterical.

            1. Commenter_XY   1 year ago

              misconstrueman, the resident POS antisemite, labelling someone else as a Nazi. Now that is rich.

              1. mtrueman   1 year ago

                The fish are Nazis. Gutting a Nazi fish is far more hysterical than gutting a normal fish.

                1. Truthfulness   1 year ago

                  Godwin's Law isn't helping you, hypocrite.

                  1. mtrueman   1 year ago

                    It's not me that needs help. I keep telling yous Israel is on the verge of losing an existential war, and what do you do? Post insulting comments on an internet message board. Shame on you.

                    1. Truthfulness   1 year ago

                      And Naftali Bennett refuted your lies. Calling you out for your hypocrisy isn't an insult, it's stating facts.

        2. Commenter_XY   1 year ago

          I'm fine with Hamas' surrender...or preferably death. Their (Hamas) deaths do not trouble me in the slightest. Besides, it is a tough neighborhood that doesn't have the same rules as the West.

          1. mtrueman   1 year ago

            "I’m fine with Hamas’ surrender…or preferably death. "

            I'm sure you are, but this is the real world. Hamas has never been stronger or more influential.

  58. AT   1 year ago

    So what accounts for this, and does this change matter?

    Seems like a lot to think about.

    How about we just go with, "The UN lies. Whatever they say, believe the opposite."

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