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The ole college try: Occupy Wall Street–style campus protests of Israel's war in Gaza are officially a thing. Tent encampments that went up at Columbia University have now been copied by student protestors from George Washington University in Washington, D.C., to Emory University in Atlanta, all the way to Indiana University in Bloomington.
Demonstrators even stormed the Fashion Institute of Technology in New York. This is no longer just an elite Ivy University thing. Because Israel/Palestine is a divisive issue even amongst mostly liberal and left-wing college students, we're seeing lots of pro-Israel counter-demonstrations as well.
School administrators have dusted off their "abundance of caution" COVID-era playbooks; canceling in-person classes and exams, moving instruction online, and shutting down graduation events.
The University of Southern California in Los Angeles earned bipartisan condemnation a few weeks ago for canceling the commencement speech of a pro-Palestinian valedictorian. Widespread student protests have now prompted the university to shut down the entire commencement event.
A few universities, with the eager support of some conservative commentators and Republican politicians, have called in the cops to dismantle encampments and arrest demonstrating students and faculty. Even where students are violating university policy and "time, place, and manner restrictions," the scenes from these crackdowns do not look particularly proportional or First Amendment-friendly.
Given the immediate concerns of protestors, the easiest historical parallel people have drawn is to the anti-Vietnam campus protests of half a century ago. Fortunately, no one has burned down an ROTC building or waylaid Robert McNamara's car. Yet.
Occupy 2.0: The more apt comparison is to the Occupy Wall Street protests of the last decade. Left-wing demonstrators mad about the issue of the day (inequality then, Israel now) and disappointed with the insufficient radicalism of the Democrat in the White House are pitching tents and demanding change.
The awkwardness of progressives protesting the policies of a progressive administration has seen demonstrators focus most of their ire on institutions that are a little easier to criticize. For Occupy Wall Street, it was the banks. For today's students, its university administrations and the Israeli government.
Like Occupy Wall Street, a single-issue protest is quickly devolving into a general criticism of society. Stopping the war in Gaza is now being linked to stopping gentrification in Los Angeles, "Cop City" in Atlanta, and climate change everywhere.
Odds are this protest movement will stick around for a while, both on the ground and in the discourse. It's an election year after all, so emotions are running high. A re-do of the 2020 presidential election with the same unpopular, uninspiring candidates who can't seem to talk about actual issues makes protesting a foreign war all the more enticing. The nice weather makes street politics all the more enjoyable.
The awful comments of some student demonstrators make easy fodder for Republicans sensing a wedge issue, particularly when the conservative election season critique of President Joe Biden is that he's a non-entity unable, or unwilling, to maintain public order.
For people whose primary political interest is individual freedom, the best thing to do is keep a level head as we head into an early "summer of rage."
One can dislike the rhetoric of campus protestors while still supporting their First Amendment rights. A commitment to free speech doesn't require treating every protestor's disruptive or violent actions as protected speech. A proportional response from law enforcement is always a must.
It's OK to call balls and strikes without picking "a side."
Presidential impunity? Away from the heated scenes on campus yesterday, in the slightly more tranquil U.S. Supreme Court chambers, justices heard oral arguments in the case of Trump v. United States.
The immediate issue here is whether the election interference case being brought against former President Donald Trump by Special Counsel Jack Smith is legitimate. To argue that it isn't, the ex-president's lawyers are making the audacious claim that the president has absolute immunity from prosecution for official acts that he takes while in office.
Justice Elena Kagan probed the limits of this theory by asking whether the president could be prosecuted for ordering the military to assassinate his political opponents. Trump's lawyers argued he'd have to be impeached and removed before any criminal prosecution could happen.
On the flip side, Justices Neal Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh expressed concern that a president without some legal immunity could be prevented from governing by frivolous, politically motivated criminal prosecutions. Read a more comprehensive breakdown of the oral arguments from Reason's Jacob Sullum.
Scenes from D.C.: When jogging by the White House on Wednesday, I came across a relatively orderly anti-genocide protest that didn't manage to make many headlines. The demonstrators didn't have much to say about Gaza. Instead, they were Armenians observing Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day, which commemorates the 1915 genocide carried out against their people by the Ottoman Empire. We could all learn a thing or two from their earnest, orderly demonstration about such a painful, weighty topic.
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Occupy Wall Street-style campus protests of Israel's war in Gaza are officially a thing.
Some might say the current thing.
Meanwhile, a majority of Americans are now in favor of mass deportations:
https://twitter.com/axios/status/1783440041244528785
Solution: Deport these Hamas supporters to Gaza. Where they can protest all they want.
Imagine Hamas having to live with its own supporters.
And after Israel, destroyed so many rooftops.
Still probably not a safe space for LQBTQXYZ123 activists.
Lessons will be learned.
Don’t bet on it. At least the learning part.
Jews have claimed to be victims of genocide, holocaust of 6 million souls, on 166 separate occasions in various nations between 1900 and 1945.
The world has been brainwashed to pity the poor persecuted Jews while continuously sending them money and enabling their human rights atrocities.
So now, when the whole world is watching Jews commit genocide, even openly calling for it against Palestinians, Jews can’t understand why the world condemns them for it.
There’s no going back to victimhood status Jews. You burnt that bridge for ever with this genocide. The term antisemitism as you have misused it is defunct.
The world sees that your delusional relationship with your satanic religion has always been the cause of conflict in every nation that you’ve existed.
Swing along with Bibi on the gallows.
Refuted.
Also, wasn't it your pal Amon that swang in the end?
Israel is on trial in the UN International Court of Justice for committing genocide in Gaza.
Genocide
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
The Genocide Convention establishes in Article I that the crime of genocide may take place in the context of an armed conflict, international or non-international, but also in the context of a peaceful situation.
Netanyahu is responsible for telling the IDF to commit genocide by referencing the Jewish biblical “god approved” genocide of women and children with the story of AMALEK. Clearly inciting genocide. With over 20,000 non combatant women and children intentionally targeted and killed and IDF soldiers on record rejoicing about it referencing Amalek, the effect of Netanyahus instructions are clear.
Israeli defence minister Yoav Gallant said Israel was fighting “human animals” and that they will be “starved of food and water” which Israel has done and continues to do.
Amichay Eliyahu, the minister for heritage, suggested dropping a nuclear bomb on Gaza. Israel isn’t supposed to have nuclear weapons. Saddam Hussein was hung for crimes against humanity and he didn’t even have WMD much less threaten to use them.
The country’s mainly ceremonial president, Isaac Herzog, who described Palestinians as “an entire nation out there that is responsible” demonstrates the genocidal intention.
These statements in combination with their actual execution clearly meets the UN definition and criteria for genocide aka holocaust.
ALL nations signatory to the UN genocide convention HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO OPPOSE IT. Not deny it and send bombs money and troops to support it.
October 7 was an inside job.
The following video is the best compilation of evidence to date that proves October 7 was an inside job coordinated by Israel as an excuse to commit genocide in Gaza.
https://richardgage911.substack.com/p/new-documentary-on-gaza-october-7
The video proves that Israel, funded, coordinated and enabled the October 7 attacks.
It shows that Israel opened the gate to welcome trucks carrying Hamas through the wall.
It shows how Israel not only ignored repeated warnings from their many surveillance sources but withdrew all defences from the wall and emptied their military bases just hours before the attack and had ZERO response for more than 6 hours.
It shows and proves that the IDF attacked the concert goers and the kibbutz’s with Apache helicopters and tanks.
It shows that they sacrificed dozens of their IDF forces to blame Hamas.
It shows that only handfuls of Hamas soldiers wandered for hours through the evacuated areas looking for soldiers to fight but finding none.
It shows that the hostages that were taken by Hamas said they were treated well.
It shows that Israel has funded Hamas with billions in cash in suitcases in the backs of cars
When the Jews of Israel who elected Netanyahu drag him and his complicit ministers to the gallows to hang for their crimes against humanity, along with the leaders of allied nations funding arming and enabling the genocide, the world will move forward.
Swing along with Bibi.
Yes, we saw this in the other thread, doofy, you don't need to copypasta it.
You do know that Genocide was proclaimed a crime precisely because of what the Nazis did in The Holocaust, right?
And you do know that Hitler cited the Armenian Genocide by the Islamic Ottoman Turk Empire as justification for the invasion of Poland. He said: "Who will remember the annihilation of the Armenians?"
Ah, forget it! Cognitive dissonance is otherwise known as Aryan Pure Superman Polylogic!
So Fuck Off, Nazi!
Hey Misek, who is telling you it’s gEnOcIdE. It’s your pals in Hamas, isn’t it?
Those guy’s are totally reliable and swear they’d never lie to the infidel, right?
We’ve all seen the horrific pictures of the same kid dead in the rubble, getting his broken arm fixed, dying of poison gas in hospital, etc. A tragedy how one poor child has to die so many times.
And the there’s all the images of the slaughter of plastic dollies. So traumatizing.
Muh 30,000.
Yeah, none of that is true. You’re a nutcase neo nazi.
The Hamas numbers have been debunked. Only morons like Misek really believe them.
Still refuted.
“Israel is on trial in the
UN InternationalKangaroo Court of Justice for committing genocide in Gaza.”fixed.
It’s obvious that you can’t refute anything I’ve said.
Truth can’t be refuted.
Third refutation coming up. And refuted.
Excellent use of a real-life example to demonstrate his point precisely.
“”The BBC has admitted that its reporting of “civilian” casualties in Gaza was inaccurate and included the deaths of Hamas fighters.””
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/bbc-admits-its-reporting-of-gaza-civilian-deaths-was-inaccurate/ar-AA1nFBvv?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=23527005070142fbdadf1bc9b8eadb45&ei=17
Another of your irrelevant links that doesn’t refute what you purport it to.
The fact that the media you reference doesn’t distinguish between the Palestinian deaths doesn’t refute the sources that do.
Nobody has refuted the deaths recorded by the Palestinian heath ministry.
The UN recognizes that they are credible.
“As of 22 April, according to the authorities in Gaza, of the 34,151 Palestinians killed in Gaza, 14,685 have been children and 9,670 women. Another 77,084 have been injured, and over 7,000 others are assumed to be under the rubble.”
Thats 24,355 women and children confirmed and many of the 9796 adult men killed were also non combatants.
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/04/un-human-rights-chief-deplores-harrowing-killings-children-and-women-rafah
Some members of the UN Human Rights Council:
-Algeria, Angola, Benin, Botswana, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cameroon, Congo, Côte d’Ivoire, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Djibouti, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, The Gambia, Ghana, Kenya, Libya, Madagascar, Malawi, Mali, Mauritania, Mauritius, Morocco, Namibia, Nigeria, Rwanda, Senegal, Sierra Leone, South Africa, Somalia, Sudan, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Zambia, Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, China, Fiji, India, Indonesia, Iraq, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Malaysia, Maldives, Marshall Islands, Mongolia, Nepal, Pakistan, Philippines, Qatar, Republic of Korea, Saudi Arabia, Sri Lanka, Thailand, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Viet Nam.
Misek, your witnesses are not fucking credible.
Are you actually suggesting that an anonymous coward hiding behind the name “Idaho Bob” has more credibility than any member of the UN human rights council?
Hahaha
Are you actually suggesting that an anonymous coward hiding behind the name “Idaho Bob” has more credibility than any member of the UN human rights council?
The credibility is about the same.
Hahahaha.
Are you actually suggesting that an anonymous coward hiding behind the name “Rob Misek” has more credibility than Idaho Bob?
Are you actually suggesting that an anonymous coward hiding behind the name “Idaho Bob” has more credibility than any member of the UN human rights council?
Yes, I am suggesting that. I can confirm human rights violations against at least half of the countries on your precious UN council.
Nobody has refuted anything I’ve provided evidence of.
Fuckwits provide none to refute.
Can't prove a negative, Rob-o.
""Nobody has refuted the deaths recorded by the Palestinian heath ministry.""
You mean nobody that you are willing to accept.
Nobody else is keeping records of the dead and wounded. Period.
Recognizing that, what other source are you suggesting?
Fuckwit,
The fuckwit doesn’t know how to prove or refute a negative.
Hahaha
Thanks for proving my point nitwit.
So your point was that with nobody else doing body counts, nobody could have refuted the numbers provided by the Palestinian health ministry.
That was my point too. Hahaha
The fuckwit doesn’t know how to prove or refute a negative.
You don't "prove a negative," you syphilitic suckwad. That's the whole point. If you had any self-respect, you'd do a Hutchence.
Hahahaha.
I guess schools back in for the fuckwit.
To prove a negative you find a positive that is mutually exclusive to it and prove that.
Hahaha
The slack-jawed faggot doesn't seem to realize that proving a negative is a fallacy.
Hahahahaha. Hopefully more of your Bioleninist rat friends get domed.
Well, you were shown how to prove a negative with logic and your response is to deny the proof without refuting it.
You do you. I’m pleased with the optics.
I’ll use this whenever I like to demonstrate how you were refuted and schooled.
If you had any self respect…hahaha
Magnificent circular reasoning there, doofy.
I'll be using this in the future to show the absolute nuclear-level retardation you possess.
Hahahaha.
Projecting eh?
You do you..
I’m pleased with the optics.
Projecting eh?
You do you..
I’m pleased with the optics.
As am I. Looking forward to kicking off the road war against you.
Doubly refuted.
Dear America,
Thanks for all the self-congratulatory, auto-reinforcing human shields!
Sincerely,
Hamas
The term “human shield” never applied in Gaza.
Jews are just shooting everyone, including a plenty of Jews.
It’s like if you were held hostage by bank robbers and the Jew banker told the Jew police to just go in and kill everyone so he could get what he wants.
Jews are just shooting everyone, including a plenty of Jews.
So what’s the problem, if they’re killing people you hate, too?
I don't get worked up over idiots in urban American shooting each other.
Yeah,
Killing tens of thousands of helpless women and children obviously doesn’t bother Jews.
Kinda makes one wonder about these perpetual victims Jews claim to be.
Doesn't seem to bother Palestinians much, either.
Jews not Palestinians are on trial for genocide.
Yeah we all know if the Palestinians were pussies like you they’d have been on their knees begging for velvet chains in 1948 when Jews and the allies stole Palestine.
Yet here we are after 76 years of Israeli terrorism apartheid and racism and Palestinians are still resisting.
Continue to cope and seethe.
"Solution: Deport these Hamas supporters to Gaza. Where they can protest all they want."
Better solution: Send Hamas supporters and Netanyahu supporters to an island and implement a blockade.
Why Netanyahu supporters?
Someone hates free and BBB fair elections
Fuck off and die, asshole bigot.
Why not send you, Herr Misek, and Misconstrueman back to your rat-cage where you can plot world domination without actually doing anything.
Carry On, Klinger! And Fuck Off!
Which I think Chritine did say "Left-wing demonstrators mad about the issue of the day (inequality then, Israel now) and disappointed with the insufficient radicalism of the Democrat in the White House are pitching tents and demanding change."
Ha! Christine. Nailed him.
*laughs in Freudian*
…when the conservative election season critique of President Joe Biden is that he's a non-entity unable, or unwilling, to maintain public order.
If only there were more recent examples of Democrats and their friends in the media putting the mob to work
And both Occupy Wall Street and Free Palestine Movements were eat up with disgusting Jew-Haters, as documented by both Reason and National Review:
Anti-Semitic Protester at Occupy Wall Street–LA
https://youtu.be/IMjm4LxFa1c?si=0_ysruPnKtMUaxPw
Anti-Semitism at Occupy Wall Street Protest
https://youtu.be/Iurg7A6MKH0?si=rpLLCPxYBxStwmCi
And organized by various socialist and communist parties and organizations. Read the bottom of the signs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/george-soros-is-paying-activists-to-head-campus-protests/ss-AA1nIIe2
True enough. Both the Occupy Movement and the Free Palestine Movement were and are great big conglomorations of the world's Supervillians.
At least someone picked the perfect picture for the post today.
Demonstrators even stormed the Fashion Institute of Technology in New York.
Technology fashion? Did they build a barricade out of pocket protectors?
So is storming someone 's building protected by the 1st amendment or not?
Definitely not a federal government building unless it's during summer.
There were no reports of boots on desks, so not insurrection.
If the building is more than 10 stories with a thing that goes up, I'm pretty sure it's an assault.
Let's just hope, and maybe help, these protests continue through early November. I am not a great fan of Trump, but given the current totalitarian insanity of Democrats, we might need another Orange revolution.
Likewise. And maybe, just maybe he can bring in more people like Paul and Massie into the Senate and House on his coattails. We need some sanity there.
I have high hopes for Chicago this August.
I have popcorn for that as well as front row seats.
Alas, there is no Daley to send in the Goon Squad to bust heads.
The current mayor will probably pass out cookies to the mob
It will be a surreal experience. There will be homeless, hamas, Hillary, and Cackles Harris all in one place.
Cackles and Cankles sounds like a comedy duo.
Or an NPR podcast.
I wonder how they would have handled WW 2?
Protesting allied army attacks on Germany, duh.
Nah, Germans are white. They may have bitched about nuking Japan, but I'm not sure considering the Japanese are white-adjacents.
Dude, have you seen the new Google AI history books?
Considering the Empire's position with regard to China, I suspect the totally fair coin would just happen to land white-adjacent side up.
Same as today—blame it on the Jews.
Like Tucker? By saying we're evil for dropping A-bombs...
Does that make you mad?
It doesn't make me mad, but I disagree with him and think it takes ignorance of the situation in 1945 to make that statement.
Churchill said after Pearl Harbor. "As for the Japanese, they would be ground to a powder." The A-bombs partially spared them that and saved many US lives. Once we had the bombs, Truman had no choice.
The estimated losses for an invasion of the Japanese mainland was 1M casualties. The Japanese were spreading civil defense leaflets instructing rural residents to fight with rakes and hoes. Truman had no choice to drop the first bomb. The second is arguable, but the first is not.
I recently listened to the history of the US Okinawa campaign.
It made fighting the Nazis look like a cakewalk. Starving civilians, grenades used for suicide, napalm, and the Janese 32nd army being vaporized. The US troops couldn't stand more than two weeks there before they became ruined men. Invading Japan was not a good option.
My grandfather fought in the army infantry in the Italy campaign in WWII. He was shot twice and held prisoner of war by Germany for ~2 years. He said he felt bad for his brother who had it much worse island hopping in the Pacific against the Japs.
"...The second is arguable, but the first is not."
Read Frank's "Downfall"; the second was absolutely necessary and it was a good thing it wasn't delayed.
Atom bombs aren’t evil?
Nope. Atom bombs don’t kill people. People kill people.
And as mad pointed out below, wiping out cities including civilians was par for the WWII course. Does the mode matter so much?
Not at all. Probably saved many millions from death or starvation.
If you think so, please suggest just one practical method of ending WWII which would have involved fewer deaths.
Been asking this question for years, and have NEVER gotten an answer.
They brought an end to the relentless firebombing of Tokyo which was arguably a much more horrible way to die.
Atom bombs are the reason there hasn't been more than a proxy war between developed nations since.
So no, they aren't.
I think that’s an after the fact excuse. They could have demonstrated the power of the bomb by hitting nearby Akinoko-Fuji, a small mountain on an island out in the Hiroshima harbor. It would have wiped out most Navy in the area, and demonstrated exactly what a nuke can do. If they had there would have been minimal civilian losses
Instead they nuked a residential area just because a Field Marshal had his HQ there.
They didn’t have the technology to target that from that high up
And they dropped the second bomb specifically because firebombing a single city wasn’t exactly a groundbreaking feat of military might. The idea that we nuke a mountain first is the same "after the fact excuse" spitballing bullshit he's trying to argue against (except 8 decades later) with two cities *and* a mountain being nuked being a similarly plausible outcome. The original plan, not after-the-fact, included 3 or more.
I think that’s an after the fact excuse.
Yeah, maybe, but your plan is counter-factual speculation. Sure, blowing up an island would have spared lives, but as to whether or not Japan would have surrendered is only speculation vs proven with Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Japan did not have a navy anymore. But they were still fighting.
"...They could have demonstrated the power of the bomb by hitting nearby Akinoko-Fuji, a small mountain on an island out in the Hiroshima harbor. It would have wiped out most Navy in the area, and demonstrated exactly what a nuke can do. If they had there would have been minimal civilian losses..."
The US DID demonstrate the power of the weapon. On Hiroshima.
It was ignored by the Japanese powers.
And it still took a second bomb.
For today's students, its university administrations and the Israeli government.
You know what other occupation force wanted to round up a manufactured villain?
(Go ahead, try to find a bunch of answers that fit this one.)
Luddites?
Jack Smith?
Bragg?
FDR?
Gathering of the Juggalos?
That’s just one of Sarc’s manufactured villains here.
The FBI at school board meetings?
District 9?
Preordering shrimp fried rice as we speak.
Scooby Doo?
and he'd have gotten away with it too ...
The Jacobins?
The Weyland-Yutani Corporation?
OCP?
USMC?
The throng of kids who love Transformers?
🙂
😉
W?
Joan Jett?
James?
Guilder?
No, wait; Humperdinck?
McKinley?
Q Anon?
'A few universities, with the eager support of some conservative commentators and Republican politicians, have called in the cops to dismantle encampments and arrest demonstrating students and faculty. Even where students are violating university policy and "time, place, and manner restrictions," the scenes from these crackdowns do not look particularly proportional or First Amendment-friendly.'
Really? When "protestors" block standard access to facilities and scheduled events with the threat (or manifestation) of violence, they crossed the line. We might debate strategic reactions for other reasons, but not "free speech".
Yeah, the 1st doesn't give the right to occupy private property or to monopolize public spaces on a semi-permanent basis.
No camping. Send in robo-cop to disperse the citizens.
A farmer in England emptied his land of squatters with a liquid manure sprayer.
Nice.
Thioacetone from a drone? A cheap drone, because you're not going to want it back...
I'm of the belief that they should all be held civilly liable for the theft of other students tuition.
Also criminal charges.
"Really? When “protestors” block standard access to facilities and scheduled events with the threat (or manifestation) of violence, they crossed the line. "
Ya, many of these have set up tent cities, declared them "liberated zones", and are actively harassing Jewish students and inhibiting their movement and use of public space. They are all trying to have their little mini-Chaz encampments.
There is nothing in the 1A that says we should tolerate this, you nip this shit in the bud when you see it. Letting children throw tantrums like this is exactly what got us where we are now, time to start cracking hippie skulls again
Yeah, there's absolutely no reason to tolerate an encampment of homeless drug addicts on campus, whether it's occupied by penniless bums, or trust fund marxists.
Instead of CHAZ-CHOPs, should we call encampments of "Free Palestine"-ers HASSAN-CHOPs?
Buga & Daffy--HASSAN CHOP!
https://youtu.be/siqPMOYh7DA?feature=shared
🙂
😉
Who is Buga?
Bugs with clumsy fingers on a tiny screen Mistakes are very Fair and afflict us all, though not everyone makes them standard practice like you and Rev. Cuckie.
Who cares? Banana republic is more fun with 2 players.
...a president without some legal immunity could be prevented from governing by frivolous, politically motivated criminal prosecutions.
At least we remain a republic, even if it creeps closer to the banana variety.
A plantain republic at this point.
Orange you glad ITL didn't say banana?
Lol
When jogging by the White House on Wednesday, I came across-
This better be another Create Your Own Thomas Friedman Op-Ed type story.
I thought it was just a humble-brag.
So libertarian.
We could all learn a thing or two from their earnest, orderly demonstration about such a painful, weighty topic.
And also what constitutes a genocide.
Exactly. There were approximately 2 million Armenians living in Anatolia in 1915, across the eastern one-third to two-fifths of the peninsula. By 1918, up to 1.5 million of them were gone. Miscontrueman, that’s what we call a genocide.
No no, a genocide is when a significantly larger power has the means to vanish 100% the so called desired population, then painstakingly over months goes neighborhood to neighborhood with messy urban warfare (rather than carpet bombing) trying to not kill civilians, giving advanced warnings before bombing areas, and telling people where safe areas are, all while killing maybe 1% of the population.
What have the Armenians got on THAT?!?!
But Hamas (long known for their honesty to infidels) SWEARS that 30,000 were killed.
That's not what Israel is doing in GAZA.
Also, visit the killing fields in Cambodia for a feel of what genocide is.
That's (D)ifferent!
Probably the only thing worse than having an independent central bank would be having a non-independent central bank.
Well I guess we just shouldn't have a central bank at all, huh, smart guy?
^
I can think of a lot of things worse than just not having an independent central bank. A *lot* of things.
Nailed it.
White-collar hirings are stalling.
Which is too bad because it's much easier to get dressed in the morning when you don't have to match your tie to the color of your shirt.
I will now show you the worst image ever made by man
Assume gender much?
California's state insurer of last resort is considering steep rate hikes to reflect the increasing threats of wildfires.
I would have thought the federal government was California's insurer of last resort.
"I will now show you the worst image ever made by man"
I think it's safe to assume that the image was made by a delusional millennial because of the Harry Potter stuff that is randomly included.
The rest was the result of watching too much CNN and reading the Atlantic.
Hey, don't forget to acknowledge the contributions of public schools.
Too much capitalism = Fascism is hilarious.
It how much "fascism" as z word has lost its meaning. The nationalist, collectivist, command economy ideology being equated with as word associated with market economics is pathetic rhetoric.
But in the small, simple minds of modern American liberals, anything not (D)emocratic socialism is inherently evil--and pretty much all the same.
But in the small, simple minds of modern American liberals, anything not (D)emocratic socialism is inherently evil–and pretty much all the same.
So they're just like the simple minded MAGA Americans who feel that anyone who isn't screaming in outrage with them is an inherently evil socialist Marxist fascist leftist fascist Marxist leftist leftist commie leftist.
Anyone who isn't screaming in outrage at this point is certainly not libertarian by any stretch of the imagination, Sarckles.
You're watching the destruction of the Bill of Rights in real time and sneering at anyone who notices.
Did you swipe one of those "IF YOU'RE NOT OUTRAGED YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION" bumper stickers off of a hybrid and put it on your car?
Sarc, I know you know what’s been going on.
If you’re not outraged it’s not because you haven’t been paying attention. It’s because you tacitly approve of what is occurring.
He really doesn’t care when his enemies rights are being violated.
Ever heard of Wickard, third party doctrine, or qualified immunity? There are some things for you to be outraged over. The fact that you're not screaming about those things means you applaud such constitutional abuses. You're dancing on Wickard's grave. You like the third party doctrine because you've never denounced it. I can go on all day about the things you approve of because you've never expressed outrage. If you say different that's only you backtracking because you got caught.
Sarcasmic, this is easily one of the most dishonest attempts at obfuscation you’ve ever tried.
None of those examples violate the bill of rights per say, and neither are they implicitly illegal and unconstitutional. Nor do they have the same impact as what your Blue Team is doing right now. “ThE eXpAnSioN oF tHe aDmiNisTrAtiVe sTatE is the same thing as illegally spying on political opponents and trying to imprison them”
Do I disagree with Wickard, third party doctrine, or qualified immunity? Yes, absolutely. Are they equivalent to what is happening right now? Fuck no.
And Wickard was fucking 1942 for fuck sakes. What your boys are doing is going down RIGHT FUCKING NOW.
The fact that you even bothered to try and create an equivalence tells me just how authoritarian-friendly you have become.
You lost me when you said “your Blue team.”
The fact that you’re fully in Trump’s corner doesn’t mean that I’m on a team. When they said “Lead, follow or get out of the way” I chose to get out of the way, while you’re scrambling behind Trump on all fours like Gollum in a red hat.
The only possible way you can even think I’m on a team is by literally putting words into my mouth like you did above by claiming that silence is support.
It’s dishonest, intellectually lazy, fallacious argumentation, and exactly what I’ve come to expect from you.
You make shit up to argue against, and when I disagree with your imaginings you double-down. You're becoming a Jesse.
He said ‘your blue team’ because you’re a lackey for the blue team. Even that deficient, pickled little nugget between your ears should be able to process that.
“You lost me when you said “your Blue team.””
Nobody who says the things you say, isn’t.
“The only possible way you can even think I’m on a team is by literally putting words into my mouth like you did above by claiming that silence is support.”
What is this… I can’t even…
How much did you drink this morning?
The only thing I’m sneering at are the tiny minds who yell words they don’t understand at anyone and anything they don’t like.
Or idiots who believe statements like "Hitler was a vegetarian and didn't like tobacco, so all vegetarian non-smokers are Nazis!" are the height of logic.
Or idiots who believe statements like “Hitler was a vegetarian and didn’t like tobacco, so all vegetarian non-smokers are Nazis!” are the height of logic.
So, people that only exist in your imagination?
You’d think it’s too early to be drunk, but it’s a Friday.
And it’s Sarc.
Wait until next week. His welfare check should arrive. He will likely go on a huge bender then.
Speaking of bumper stickers, remember when you claimed that you regularly see "illegal immigrant hunting permit" bumper stickers?
Hey sarc... buddy... retard. You spent a week yelling Trump was Hitler with Jeff.
And if you want I can post the conversation where people tried to educate you on what fascism is and you refuse to learn.
"The only thing I’m sneering at are the tiny minds who yell words they don’t understand at anyone and anything they don’t like."
No.
You're sneering at people who are pointing out that the FBI and the Biden administration were illegally censoring speech on the internet.
You're sneering at people who are pointing out that there are two extremely different standards of justice being administered to those who are a Democrat constituency, and those who are not.
You're sneering at people who are pointing out that charging a man for paying extra tax, charging a man for a completely legal home valuation, charging a president for keeping copies of documents he was entitled to and legally declassified, charging a man for legally petitioning the courts is a political attempt at imprisoning a political opponent.
You're sneering at people who think removing a leading candidate from the Arizona and Maine ballots based on innuendo was antidemocratic.
I'm sneering at the idiots on the left who say Trump is Hitler, and I'm sneering at the MAGA idiots who yell "Leftist!" whenever they see their own shadow.
They're two sides of the same retarded coin.
No. you're sneering at anyone who see's the incredibly fast erosion of liberty and civil rights and is terrified by it, while pretending to be sneering at MAGA.
You know these things are happening and don't care because you are happy about it.
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I’m sneering at the idiots on the left who say Trump is Hitler,
Literally you.
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Trump quotes Hitler, not directly or intentionally, certainly in spirit, and gets a pass. But those who compare his and his followers’ hatred of immigrants don’t understand it’s just about welfare benefits. Sure guys. Whatever you say. Keep defending this clown. Not that any of you care, but my opinion of you who defend him just went down a notch. For some that’s reaching far into the negative.
I'd ask Big Mac how many points you scored with that illogic, except that I don't give a fuck.
Reposting Jesse:
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I’m sneering at the idiots on the left who say Trump is Hitler,
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Trump quotes Hitler, not directly or intentionally, certainly in spirit, and gets a pass. But those who compare his and his followers’ hatred of immigrants don’t understand it’s just about welfare benefits. Sure guys. Whatever you say. Keep defending this clown. Not that any of you care, but my opinion of you who defend him just went down a notch. For some that’s reaching far into the negative.
Uh, sure.
Is that the malt liquor talking, or are you demonstrating your political neutrality again?
Just pointing out that there are plenty of simple minds on both sides yelling "Hurr durr anyone who disagrees with me is a fascist hurr durr!"
Cite?
It is more those who have read an actual history book applying it correctly while you join jeff claiming it is related to us them arguments and populism.
Youre ignorant.
You mean like how you consider everyone who supports Trump in any way to be a fascist?
Want me to post your idiotic definition of fascism again? Or your ignorant views of history?
You openly support the lefts use of state against enemies and then have the gall to gaslight others are the fascists?
bOaF SIdeZz!
If you think that was hilarious, what do you rank the Pelosi assessment?
She does make some impressive kitchen appliance purchases.
Also stock purchases (and sales).
More like a bad pun.
This is the retarded high school version where fascism and communism are worlds apart on different ends of the spectrum, rather than being somewhat similar looking brothers in the same authoritarian family sitting side by side.
Nancy Pelosi being shown to occupy the "smart" centrist position is hysterical.
I puked a little.
Are we sure this wasn’t made by the guy who tried to nail Paul Pelosi? Because with Bush and Mayor Pete there and Bernie cast off... it feels like that level and combination of sanity/infatuation.
Joe Rogan says he's all in on RFK Jr…provided he makes it onto the ballot.
Ride that wave of support into the White House just like Bernie did.
I don't think he'll come close to winning but on the miraculous chance he did, I wouldn't be upset.
I'd be happy to see just about anyone who has consistently pushed back on the covid public health tyranny consistently get elected.
He is kinda orange. 😉
His 2A position is still a disqualifier for me.
I don't like his stance on nuclear energy either, but I think he can start to dismantle the deep state, and right now that is the most important thing.
I would, but much less than another four years of Darth Brandon.
Wait, I can vote for zombie Biden or criminal Trump, or an actual Kennedy? Seems like a pretty easy call.
How is Trump a ‘criminal’? None of the cases against him are grounded in the law, or facts
I extend a congratulatory facepalm to his intellectual and PR prowess in choosing a third-party candidate rather than promising to move to Canada setting him apart from the celebrity elite.
Matt Yglesias on why driverless cars are underhyped.
I think I got a handle on it, thanks.
Why does that guy get so much adoration from reason?
Because they all live in New York or DC?
Honestly? Because a lot of these Xennial pundits that began their online media careers in the wake of the 2000 election and 9/11 have been in and out of each other's social circles in the Megacity One media landscape for the last generation.
For some reason that reminded me of the wispy people living in the human terrarium in Logan's Run.
I think it was actually an article that McArdle wrote a few years ago, talking about a cocktail party with her, Suderman, Yglesias, Ezra Klein, and bunch of other Xennial media figures, that opened the window on just how connected the media punditry in DC really are.
Underhyped? I was more under the working assumption that driverless vehicles were way overhyped, and nowhere near ready for a beta test much less prime time.
It’s the new Segway.
Once again technology solves a problem that didn't exist!
Why do you hate mall cops?
Driverless vehicles are underhyped? Tell that to the guy in Washington (state) facing homicide charges because his Tesla ran over someone while on auto pilot.
"I think I got a handle on it, thanks."
Those things need someone to do so.
Brian Potter on why homes are so expensive to build.
Regulations and the price of OSB.
You mean it’s not spitty tobacco or cheesy poofs?
"the price of OSB."
Well then, I think I'll use plywood then and save myself a fortune.
The WEF recommends artisanal thatch.
Or bricks made from dung and straw.
Taylor Swift shares the same side of the booth with boyfriend Travis Kelce during a "cozy" Los Angeles dinner date.
Offsides. Five-yard penalty. Replay the appetizer.
Amazing news. No chick has ever done this thing they described.
Why should this matter to me or anyone else who is not them or their close family and friends in the slightest?
DON'T YOU TWO GO ALL SWIFTIES ON US.
Funny thing, when I think of Swifties, I usually think of “Stevie Wonder’s Institute For Trucking” aka “Sure Wish I Finished Training” aka “See What I Fucked-up Today”.
Oh, I thought it was those things you clean the floor with.
Swifties on the road: https://cheezburger.com/6980613/16-swift-trucking-fails-from-people-having-substantially-worse-days-than-you
Please understand, I don't care about Taylor Swift or her love life in any way, shape or form.
What about Liz Wolfe?
Liz and Taylor? I’d watch.
Because at this particular moment you have pretty much two types of girl under 20:
1) those who think Swift is an unprecedented genius whose every move is groundbreaking and worthy of deep analysis
2) those who hate Swift and think everything she does is idiotic and worthy of intense mockery.
Plus, there’s a significant crowd of over-20s who seem convinced that her studied avoidance of all controversy actually represents secret support for whatever political candidate they don’t like.
Nobody would accuse Taylor swift of being an artist
Particularly not a "tortured" one.
"Even where students are violating university policy and "time, place, and manner restrictions," the scenes from these crackdowns do not look particularly proportional or First Amendment-friendly."
Plese define what proportionality or the 1st Amendment has to do with policy violations. Free speech does not give one the right to prevent other people from exercising their rights to go about their business.
It's kidnapping, a felony. Felonies can/should be met with force.
At the very least, since about 1990, the idea of trespass to chattels in digital space, meat space, and in between should be obvious.
If I text 1,000 people and set up a flash mob around your house such that you can't leave your property or can't access emergency services, somewhere along the way I, or we, committed a crime.
Hose Jewish students need to call in the big guns to deal with those a Hamas terror supporters….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7FD2xIS1yo
The Hebrew Hammer will make fast work of those Islamist punks.
'Justice Elena Kagan probed the limits of this theory by asking whether the president could be prosecuted for ordering the military to assassinate his political opponents.'
See: Clinton Foundation.
Is that just suicide by double tap to the head?
Yes, and specifically, the back of the head. Afterwards the suicide victim hid the gun.
She might have been asking sincerely, for a friend
Christian wants the 3 ridiculous liberal justices to be in the right. All 3 were trying desperately to help the DoJ who tied itself in contradictions.
Some of them:
Why wasn't Obama charged with murder from drone strikes. Answer. He met with lawyers. An action Trump was indicted for.
Grand Jury are the break against political prosecutions. Ham sandwiches have often been indicted. USSC just had a case last week. Smith was overturned 0-8 for McDonnell.
Objective ve subjective decisions for immunity. The Court kept poking at the subjectivity test the DoJ claimed it was using. DoJ was determining charges based on their interpretation of motivations while claiming they weren't.
It was a mess for the DoJ lawyer. Yet Christian is primarily focused on ridiculous hypothetical from the leftist jurists.
"Wouldn’t the President just pick an AG who’ll let him do whatever he wants?"
“I’m still the president’s wingman.”
— Eric Holder
The President no.
The Vice-President? Maybe. The IC? Probably.
Ask JFK.
'When jogging by the White House on Wednesday...'
Just another normal day for a regular guy.
Who follows and reports on taylor swift. And then critiques where they sit? Is this the lgb guy?
'Instead, they were Armenians observing Amerenian Genocide Remembrance Day, which commemorates the 1915 genocide carried out against their people by the Ottoman Empire.'
Help me out--where do Armenians and, um, Ottomans score on the intersectional oppression scale?
Depends on how much of an ally they want Turkey to be.
Sure, Armenians are native to the region and Christians. One of the first countries on earth to adopt Christianity as their religion.
The Ottomans were Turkic invaders and devout Muslims who conquered Constantinople and Byzantium in 1453 and turned the Hagia Sophia into a Mosque.
So it’s pretty evident that the Armenians are practically Hitler.
The insistence of the Armenians to hold to their Christian faith is oppressive to the Muslim Turks whose forebears oppressed the Armenian community for centuries.
"So, take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks"
Was reading in the paper about a group of jewel thieves that were caught after breaking into museums all over the city of Istanbul, stealing priceless gemstones and leaving counterfeits in their place to cover their tracks. The article even had a photo of the con's stand-in opal.
OK, how many years have you been waiting to use that?
Many.
All Armenians or just Marko from Tropojë?
'California's state insurer of last resort is considering steep rate hikes to reflect the increasing threats of losses since too many people built expensive homes in places known for centuries to have frequent wildfires.'
FIFY
'Brian Potter on why homes are so expensive to build.'
I bet the solution is more "migrants".
Possibly more testing?
More testing solves all problems.
Yeah that would drive up the cost of food trucks due to increased demand.
I bet the solution is more “migrants”.
A dozen or so moving into one house on your block is sure to bring property values down.
Given that labor is the single biggest cost factor . . .
'Matt Yglesias on why driverless cars are underhyped.'
What about writer-less blogs, or whatever the cool kids call it today?
Chat gpt " write an article about driverless cars N in the style of yglases"
Conclusion
As we stand on the cusp of a driverless future, the possibilities are as thrilling as they are uncertain. From reshaping urban landscapes to redefining the way we move, the journey ahead promises to be nothing short of transformative. Buckle up, for the age of autonomous driving is upon us, and the road ahead is ripe with promise and potential
If it was totally safe, you wouldn’t have to buckle up.
I asked chat gpt to fill in for Matt. It even managed to copy his stupidity
Keep it up and the Reason fanboys will start pestering you for attention.
Every sentence is an equivocation. Not a single concrete statement put forth.
It captured him perfectly.
"If it was so easy, why is he [gecko] working so hard?" Asks the Geico Caveman.
What about writer-less blogs, or whatever the cool kids call it today?
I think what you're referring to is now known as "Yahoo News."
"abundance of caution"
Would so love it if we returned to just exercising the appropriate amount of caution. I don't need my son's 7pm baseball practice cancelled at 1pm because there might be storms that evening.
How about if they canceled the school year because somebody sneezed?
That's just crazy talk.
Would so love it if we returned to just exercising the appropriate amount of caution.
Fuckin' Conservative Christofascists man, they're everywhere. Just waiting to pop out and insist that you can't murder people out of convenience or have to check IDs to make sure you aren't selling poison to children.
There is still a genocide going on in ajerbjon. The left doesn't care, because it's the rag heads that hate America killing christains
Yup. There are four actual genocides occurring right now. Three involve Muslims killing Christians. Two in which the Christians are indigenous. The last involves Chinese Marxists genociding Muslims.
Only the last gets kinda, sorta occasionally reported, but even the other Muslims don't seem to care.
Shiite, friend... unless it's the wrong type of Muslim being killed, they'd just as Sunni pretend it isn't happening.
Spittin tobaccy and cheesy poofs prices on the run again, and it’s not because the economy is “hot”.
https://www.bloomberg.com/toaster/v2/charts/ezyz1atmo0tdkdhuwiyuzajz9nr7rsme?srnd=homepage-americas
Plugazoid to deny this while praising Biden (but claiming to hate him) in 5..4..3..2..1…….
Wingnut.com in 3... 2... 1...
"...with the same unpopular, uninspiring candidates..."
2024 Reason, with the same TDS-addled, lying hacks.
Consider the source. It is Britches writing this one.
Isn't that spelled "TDS-addled shit-pile"?
That’s usually Sullum.
Ah! So that's why Yglesias was back.
It's okay to call balls and strikes without picking "a side."
And just like a publicly financed baseball stadium, these petulant, bubble-wrapped and edgy arrested adolescents are "attending" public colleges with their tuition subsidized by the taxpayers, expecting their loans to be forgiven by the taxpayers. Fuck each and every one of them. But by all means, keep protesting. The filtering process for employment just gets easier.
Part of me wants to see some of these tent cities become permanent, and even walled-off. Then they can truly live in solidarity with Gaza.
And there is a slim chance it might serve as a warning to other young people.
Perhaps the US Marines can deliver pallets of food
And there is a slim chance it might serve as a warning to other young people.
More than likely it will serve as an example to be followed.
If these fools were serious, they would get armed, rent a boat, and actually do something ( land on the beach to fight the Israelis, or in reality get killed ). Otherwise, it is just stupid virtue signalling.
Right, we're at like 96,000 strikes against liberty in the strike zone of public education and 42,000 "education-related" strikes outside the strike zone over 46,000 innings for the last 50+ yrs., but as long as we call this at bat fairly, it's all good.
Liz must get a lot of days off, is all I can say.
Dude, don't you know that Israel is bombing the occupied people in NYC? Liz is probably hiding in her basement. Or maybe clustered somewhere with other war zone reporters and media stars. Is there a Hilton with a big bar in Brooklyn?
"Biden administration finalizes new rules for power plants in one of its most significant climate actions to-date"
[...]
"The Environmental Protection Agency’s new rules will compel coal and new natural gas power plants to either cut or capture 90% of their climate pollution by 2032. The rules are expected to reduce the carbon dioxide emissions from the sector by 75% compared to its peak in 2005..."
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/25/climate/biden-epa-power-plant-rule-climate/index.html
Notice the careful cost/benefit analysis here? Me neither.
Notice the bullshit 'fun with numbers', comparing a *projected* (not factual) reduction with some arbitrarily selected past date? Me too.
We had a POTUS who managed to cut some EPA regs, but he posted mean tweets and a ton of TDS-addled adolescent shits much preferred the doddering fool now wasting that space.
Nobody needs 23 hours (or days) of electricity.
Except the hospitals in Gaza.
It's okay to call balls and strikes without picking "a side."
Some people here disagree with that. They know who they are.
Yeah, well, that's because it's a glib, fatuous statement with no connection to the political reality. It allows the NeverTrump center-right like the dumbasses at Patterico or The Dispatch to act like they're being "balanced," but it's irrelevant, because they aren't the ones making the calls.
This is simply another wedge issue that the marxist subversives in this country, embedded particularly deep in academia where they should have been suppressed decades ago, are being allowed to foment revolutionary fervor in aid of what they consider to be the inevitable establishment of the communist utopia.
The "issue" isn't the issue, no matter much mouth-breathers like Misek want to spazz about it. The issue is that the radical left are ideological fanatics who are very much dedicated to "abolishing" the US and terminating the west in particular. And this isn't a conspiracy theory, as they are quite open about their intentions in their online presence.
The only thing that puts a stop to marxists is the complete intoleration of their political ideology.
"Yeah, well, that’s because it’s a glib, fatuous statement with no connection to the political reality. It allows the NeverTrump center-right like the dumbasses at Patterico or The Dispatch to act like they’re being “balanced,” but it’s irrelevant, because they aren’t the ones making the calls..."
Exactly.
Hey, first we have to agree on what "balls" are.
(D) - BALLS
(R) - Strikes.
See. Neutral.
And sometimes it's pretty obvious which side is wrong.
Trump's allies are busy drafting plans to pare back the Federal Reserve's independence, reports The Wall Street Journal.
Nobody knows debt like Fatass Donnie does. He said so himself.
The hicklib pederast is afraid the Fed won't be allowed to go back to injecting liquidity for bullshit DEI hires by global megacorps.
Cite? No ZeroHead or Gateway Liar.
The hicklib pederast pretends a decade and a half of ZIRP never happened.
You said "DEI hires" asshole.
Link?
ZIRP is unrelated.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
The hicklib pederast plays dumb about his DEI hire allies getting sloughed off by corporations after the ZIRP money dried up.
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Why should there even be a Federal Reserve, Plugly? Why is it a 'good thing'?
You can’t have a modern economy without a central bank, you simplistic moron.
The question is who should run it? A craven power hungry politician or an independent neutral body?
When J Powell boosted rates four times in 2018 to get ahead of inflation Donnie shit his pants and freaked out then threatened to fire him.
You absolutely fucking can, grandpa. Particularly twenty-first century economies. The emergence of bitcoin is proof of that and blockchain can facilitate it.
You're stupid.
So you would set up a digital currency on blockchain and replace every greenback with a centrally banked digital currency?
You ran into that one like the fool you are.
I see your using Jeffy's patented false dichotomy fallacy again.
You admitted you support a central bank digital currency.
Wingnut.com is horrified.
You should probably have looked up "dichotomy" before responding.
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is an asshole and lying pile of lefty shit.
"Greenbacks?" What is this, 1875?
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
*puts on devil’s advocate hat*
When the Fed accomplishes its goal of 2% inflation, then markets are somewhat predictable. Prices go up in a predictable fashion, but so do wages. Interest rates aren’t unreasonable. Compare that to the unpredictable rollercoaster of inflation and deflation when the value of money is tied to a commodity like gold, and the Fed really doesn’t look that terrible.
"Compare that to the unpredictable rollercoaster of inflation and deflation when the value of money is tied to a commodity like gold"
In the real world didn't it turn out to be the opposite though? When Nixon removed the US from the gold standard it brought on the 1973–1975 recession, the stagflation of the 1970s, and the instability of floating currencies.
This paper from Oxford Economics argues that gold would be a stabilizing influence.
Even when there was a gold standard, there really wasn’t, because the government didn’t honor gold and silver certificates. What Nixon did was more symbolic than anything else. Look at fluctuations in the value of the currency pre-Fed. That's what I was talking about. You might find that interesting.
"...In the real world didn’t it turn out to be the opposite though? When Nixon removed the US from the gold standard it brought on the 1973–1975 recession, the stagflation of the 1970s, and the instability of floating currencies..."
40 years earlier, FDR got a fabulous result for a similar action.
Compare that to the unpredictable rollercoaster of inflation and deflation when the value of money is tied to a commodity like gold, and the Fed really doesn’t look that terrible.
While inflation and deflation rates were more unpredictable and tied to actual market conditions prior to the Fed, consumer prices were also quite a bit more predictable specifically because the dollar WAS tied to the gold standard. A cord of lumber or a pair of pants that you bought in 1850 cost pretty much the same as it did in 1920. Shit, even as late as the mid-70s, a $25 shirt was considered extravagent enough for a working class person, that John Travolta's character had to put one on layaway in Saturday Night Fever.
I'll take relatively stable prices on consumer goods over a 2% inflation rate, because the problem is that eventually mathematics kicks in and exponential rates start to cause actual problems.
I don't understand that very last part. There's nothing exponential about a steady 2% inflation rate. It is compounding, like interest, if that's what you mean.
Fuck. You really are retarded on all subjects. Inflation is exponential retard. My 5th year kid understands this.
Simplistic form:
Pn = P0 (1+rate)^n
Compound growth is exponential. Here is a video even you can understand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGwp_jsvauE
Why do you make me bookmark?
"a steady 2% inflation" You're arguing something that doesn't exist and has never existed under any central bank. Just because they say it doesn't make it true.
I do agree that the rate of inflation has greatly increased since Nixon, and I’m not a fan of it either.
But I think you’re looking at value the wrong way. If you instead look at how many hours of average wages it takes to buy something like a cord of wood or a shirt, and compare then (1850, 1920, 1980) with today, pretty much everything costs less compared to any time in the past, with a few notable exceptions like college tuition.
But that 1850-1920 (to 1975, arguably, because inflation had already shat on everyone's head by 1980) stability existed during a time of rapid industrialization, too. That was because of the dollar being tied to the gold standard.
There were also periods of deflation pre-Fed as a result of the fluctuating price of gold.
I got your point. Price stability.
You missed or ignored mine, which is that while prices are higher, we have to work less hours to buy things.
What's better, needing to work ten hours to acquire an item that costs $30, or needing to work five hours to acquire the same item for $100?
"we have to work less hours to buy things."
This is due to general improvements in technology, automation and human productivity, not because of the Fed's manipulations.
Sarc isn’t very knowledgeable.
On a gold standard, (or even better, free banking) we could have both price stability and the improvements in work-time-needed-to-buy-shit, which sarc posed as a false alternative above.
The ten hours, because I'm only paying $30.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Have you taken your Droxy today, Sevo?
Don't lie to me.
Turd, the TDS-addled brain-dead lefty shit, finds this ‘clever'.
But then turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Good.
No bureaucracies should be independent.
What about SCOTUS? Should the president have the power to reverse SCOTUS decisions?
Donnie would love that.
You misspelled Brandon.
To be fair to Fatass every president would.
But especially Donnie.
We all know that your senile daddy has been shrieking since forever that he's going to pack the court, but do you have any examples of Trump talking about it?
The TDS-addled turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Another weird attack as Biden literally brags about defying the USSC on student loans.
Have you gone 24/7 retarded?
To be fair to Fatass every president would.
Dumbass.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Andrew Jackson already demonstrated that one.
He was a donkey like Biden.
Odd attack with estimated non emergency deficit this year being 2T.
Adam Schiff is ROBBED in San Francisco causing him to show up at a meeting with no suit.
https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1783727231052751272
Too bad they didn't play the Knockout Game with him and cause death by a brain bleed.
death by a brain bleed
Pretty sure Schiff is immune to that.
He’d have to have a brain first.
I have to admit I laughed when I saw that.
Furries for Terrorism!
Also, that worst image ever made just made me puke up my breakfast.
“Yeah, well, that’s because it’s a glib, fatuous statement with no connection to the political reality. It allows the NeverTrump center-right like the dumbasses at Patterico or The Dispatch to act like they’re being “balanced,” but it’s irrelevant, because they aren’t the ones making the calls…”
See directly above. Perhaps he'll graduate from HS at 22 or so.
Ball? Strike?
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1783629597696782732.html
One of the far-left lead student organizers at the @Columbia University encampment for Gaza recorded a livestream saying that "zionists, along with all white supremacists," need to be killed. Khymani James (pronouns "he/she/they") says the public should be thankful he has not gone out to murder them yet.
Perhaps he/she/they would like to go on a hunting trip with me and my friends.
Wikipedia says:
On 24 April 1915, the Ottoman authorities arrested and deported hundreds of Armenian intellectuals and leaders from Constantinople. At the orders of Talaat Pasha, an estimated 800,000 to 1.2 million Armenians were sent on death marches to the Syrian Desert in 1915 and 1916. Driven forward by paramilitary escorts, the deportees were deprived of food and water and subjected to robbery, rape, and massacres. In the Syrian Desert, the survivors were dispersed into concentration camps. In 1916, another wave of massacres was ordered, leaving about 200,000 deportees alive by the end of the year. Around 100,000 to 200,000 Armenian women and children were forcibly converted to Islam and integrated into Muslim households. Massacres and ethnic cleansing of Armenian survivors continued through the Turkish War of Independence after World War I, carried out by Turkish nationalists.
Meanwhile...according to Hamas:
As of 22 April, more than 34,000 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza, including 14,685 children and 9,670 women, the High Commissioner’s office said, citing the enclave’s health authorities.
WORST. GENOCIDE. EVER.
I was also struck by the phrasing of this comment by UN...
"Some 200 days since intense Israeli bombardment began in response to Hamas-led terror attacks in southern Israel, UN human rights chief Volker Türk expressed his horror at the destruction of Nasser and Al-Shifa hospitals and the reported discovery of mass graves.
“The intentional killing of civilians, detainees and others who are hors de combat is a war crime,” Mr. Türk said in a call for independent investigations into the deaths.
Notice that it starts from the bombardment, and makes no mention of the invasion, killing, raping, pillaging, and hostage taking committed by Hamas? Aren't those war crimes? Indeed, the only reference to Oct 7 was this tidbid..."before war erupted on 7 October. "
That's (D)ifferent!
the audacious claim that the president has absolute immunity from prosecution for official acts that he takes while in office.
That's exactly the kind of immunity enjoyed by every prosecutor in the country. How many judges are they killing?
Very great point!
If federal proseciutors have absolute immunity, why not their boss?
Good news, Sarcasmic!
Four-litre jug of vodka not enough? The 19-litre 'Saskatchewan mickey' may be for you
That's 5 whole gallons in one glorious bottle, when you convert it from "moose-fucker", Sarckles.
There’s a lot of shit posting in those jugs.
LOL! It’s a fucking water cooler jug of vodka.
Bragg has spent 2 days so far on testimony by the National Enquirer guy on subjects completely unrelated to the alleged records keeping "crimes". It's pretty transparent character assassination, and not very artfully done. Yesterday the NY Supreme Court overturned the convictions of Harvey Weinstein because the judge in that case allowed the same kind of testimony. You really can't make this shit up.
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/urgent-new-yorks-top-court-vacates?triedRedirect=true
In a sharply worded 40-page opinion, the majority ruled Weinstein’s trial had been tainted because Justice James M. Burke, who oversaw it, allowed prejudicial testimony irrelevant to Weinstein’s alleged crimes. The court also found that Burke effectively kept Weinstein from testifying in his own defense by ruling that if he did, prosecutors could question him about irrelevant issues like a fight with his brother.
Like Justice Burke, acting Justice Juan Marchan, who is overseeing the Trump trial, has given Manhattan prosecutors wide latitude to present evidence of actions that appear at best tangentially related to the crimes they are alleged to have committed. And like Burke, Marchan has ruled that if Trump decides to testify, prosecutors can cross-examine Trump on many issues unrelated to the case.
The appeals court criticized Burke sharply for that decision, finding that:
The trial court abused its discretion when it ruled that defendant, who had no criminal history, could be cross-examined about prior uncharged alleged bad acts and despicable behavior which was immaterial to his in-court credibility, and which served no purpose other than to display for the jury defendant’s loathsome character. The ruling necessarily and impermissibly impacted defendant’s decision whether to take the stand in his defense and thus undermined the fact-finding process in this case, which turned on the credibility of the parties.
""Bragg has spent 2 days so far on testimony by the National Enquirer guy on subjects completely unrelated to the alleged records keeping “crimes”. ""
NY is good about that. See Weinstein.
""The court, by a 4-3 vote, ruled the testimony of “prior bad acts” witnesses should not have been allowed because it “was unnecessary to establish defendant’s intent and served only to establish defendant’s propensity to commit the crimes charged.”""
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/25/us/harvey-weinstein-conviction-overturned-appeal/index.html
Bragg isn't interested in an appeal proof verdict. He just wants a guilty verdict before November.
"The most powerful person in the world with the greatest amount of authority could go into office knowing there would be no potential penalty for committing crimes," Jackson said during oral arguments. "I'm trying to understand what the disincentive is from turning the Oval Office into, you know, the seat of criminal activity in this country."
Heard this on NPR this morning. KBJ has got to be the dumbest jurist ever to serve on the SCOTUS.
"KBJ has got to be the dumbest jurist ever to serve on the SCOTUS."
Well, the first criteria used to select her for that position wasn't her brains, so I guess that tracks.
Pretty sure brains was not even in the top 10 reasons for her nomination.
These may be the most significant anti war actions since the Vietnam war and Reason can only downplay, criticize or mock. Is there anyone on the staff who is genuinely against war and willing to write about the conflict and the protests? The best this writer can do is affect an air of neutrality while parroting Biden's talking points.
I wonder why the war started.
Yeah, the bullshitter truman imagines that the anti-Vietnam-war protests were resulting from Vietnam invading somewhere.
He is pretty fucking stupid, aint he?
Something, something, Hamas acted like a bunch of assholes, something.
"I wonder why the war started."
Opposition to apartheid, military occupation. Reason is apparently OK with these, or at least unwilling to hire anti war writers. Instead self-styled neutrality and Biden talking points is what's on offer.
Lie, lie, lie, lie, lies, etc.
mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
“Spouting nonsense is an end in itself.”
"apartheid, military occupation."
Said by someone who doesn't understand either term.
"Said by someone who doesn’t understand either term."
You're missing the point. My understanding of the terms is not important. It's the people of Gaza whom you should be heeding. Continuing to ignore them is not going to make them go away.
No, you're missing the point that you are an incoherent bullshit-slinger.
"My understanding of the terms is not
importantexistent."Strive for accuracy please.
If supporters of Israel are serious, something other than personal insults, and hysterical bluster is called for. I've read your comments Bertram Guilfoyle, and I beseech you to try harder. Think critically about Israel and her leaders, I won't call you an antisemite or Jew hater, I promise.
How could they be ignored? They immediately start tard-raging against any country that lets their loser asses in and doesn't immediately begin bombing Israel.
"How could they be ignored? "
They can't. But it took an Oct. 7th to finally get your attention, and for Israel to start grumbling about a final solution. Until then Israel was happy to murder Palestinians from the skies in exercises of 'mowing the lawn.' And Reason doesn't ignore the issue, it merely mocks, downplays and denigrates any anti war movement that takes it up.
Supporters of the palestinians are not anti-war. These are pro-war demonstrations.
Are you angling for a job at Reason or with Biden? Keep it up, as this is the sort of drivel today's war mongers are pedaling.
Are you angling for a job as a human shield for hamas?
But it took an Oct. 7th to finally get your attention
Attention about what? They've been chimping out about it for nearly 80 years. It's why they subvert and act out against anyone who doesn't immediately start bombing Israel.
"Attention about what?"
Wasn't that the day you started to reflexively parrot Israeli talking points? Babies beheaded and raped while they were still in the oven? It surely wasn't any earlier.
Wasn’t that the day you started to reflexively parrot Israeli talking points? Babies beheaded and raped while they were still in the oven? It surely wasn’t any earlier.
I haven’t parroted Israeli talking points any more than you’ve parroted Hamas’s. In fact, I’ve been very clear about the fact that I don’t give a rip what happens in that conflict, to either side.
This slapfight here in the states is taking place between two factions of my political and cultural enemies. That one of them is seeing the consequences of winding up minorities against white people for over 50 years is immaterial to the fact that the other side is still a bunch of neo-Maoist trash who are being employed in the dumb belief the destruction of “bourgeois capitalism” and “whiteness” is going to bring about the communist utopia.
And if Hamas didn’t expect this kind of response by Israel, their leaders are even more retarded than I thought. If they did expect it, well, that's the consequences of employing Hegelian dialectics.
"their leaders are even more retarded than I thought"
I don't think their leaders are retarded. And I don't think you do either. You reflexively fall back on childish insults because you have no facts or arguments to counter what I write. You're not alone, either. And your desire to identify as a victim of anti-white hatred is pathetic. Why don't you grow a pair, grow a spine? Grow a pair of spines...
I don’t think their leaders are retarded.
Retards tend to see rationality in retarded actions.
You reflexively fall back on childish insults because you have no facts or arguments to counter what I write.
There's no need to counter question-begging marxist assertions. Rejecting them out of hand is the better option.
And your desire to identify as a victim of anti-white hatred is pathetic.
Yes, marxists hate it when their dialectics are called out.
Why don’t you grow a pair, grow a spine? Grow a pair of spines…
Like Kyle Rittenhouse? Or Deng Xiaoping? Either way works for me.
Still bluster. Still no facts. You've had interesting things to say in the past, I'm sure. What gives? Do you think this hysterical ranting about Marx and how it's so bad to be white these days is at all convincing?
Still bluster. Still no facts.
Consider it an in-kind contribution.
You’ve had interesting things to say in the past, I’m sure. What gives? Do you think this hysterical ranting about Marx and how it’s so bad to be white these days is at all convincing?
Why do you marxists hate white people so much?
The best you can do is post lies and bullshit?
mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
The idea that trueman is "against war" is the biggest nonsense of all.
The idea that trueman is coherent is closely related.
Lol, someone didn't remember 2003.
“Free all Palestinian political prisoners”?
What about the Israeli hostages?
Protesting your university investing in foreign military aid is a fair point, but as for the war itself, Hamas brought it on Gaza with an unprovoked terrorist attack on Oct 7th, killing and raping hundreds of unsuspecting civilians. There was a ceasefire on Oct 6th. There could have been a ceasefire at any point since, if Hamas freed all the hostages and turned over the murderers and rapists who participated in or planned the October 7th attacks, to face justice for their horrific crimes.
Wars are terrible -- best to not risk starting one with a heavily armed enemy by doing something to provoke them.
if Hamas freed all the hostages and turned over the murderers and rapists who participated in or planned the October 7th attacks
This right here. The fuckwit protesters would allow mass murdering baby-killers to hide in a crowd with the crowds permission without repercussions to those murderers or the crowd.
The same fuckwits who cheered every time an American was tased and arrested for refusing to breathe through a worse than useless bacteria laden face rag. They are insipid. They lack any semblance of critical thinking skills. These are people not worthy of consideration and should be told so. Repeatedly.
"if Hamas freed all the hostages and turned over the murderers and rapists who participated in or planned the October 7th attacks"
You're not thinking this through. Let's say Hamas freed all the hostages and turned over the surviving attackers on Oct. 8th. What would Israel offer in return? Maybe a return to the status quo of Oct. 6th - occupation still intact, apartheid, Israelis routine murdering of Palestinians. All the things that motivated Al Aqsa Flood in the first place. Your proposal is utterly unrealistic, either your head is in the clouds, or you haven't given this any thought and you are mindlessly repeating somebody else's talking points.
Your proposal is utterly unrealistic, either your head is in the clouds, or you haven’t given this any thought and you are mindlessly repeating somebody else’s talking points.
What the fuck is wrong with you? What you quoted was no more "proposed" by me than it was by the person who I was quoting.
What would Israel offer in return?
How about ceasing to annihilate Gazan infrastructure? Which every day the Gazan citizenry goes without turning out every member of Hamas proves they deserve good and hard.
But, by all means, continue to defend baby murdering savages mired in 7th century religious zealotry, you cunt.
"What you quoted was no more “proposed” by me than it was by the person who I was quoting. "
This is my point. You have no proposals of your own. Instead, all you can do is parrot idiotic talking points - beheaded babies raped in ovens, and other propagandistic boiler plate that even Joe Biden has sense enough to refrain from.
"What would Israel offer in return?
How about ceasing to annihilate Gazan infrastructure?"
The Israelis have made no such offer. And it's beside the point. Hamas has made its demands clearly and repeatedly. They go beyond a simple ceasefire. If you're not familiar with the demands of Hamas, I urge you to take the time to look into them. You may have a change of heart.
beheaded babies raped in ovens, and other propagandistic boiler plate that even Joe Biden has sense enough to refrain from.
Fuck off and die, lying piece of shit. Hamas did invade Israel. They did kill babies. They did rape women. Then they fled back to Gaza and have continued to hide in hospitals and schools and neighborhoods knowing that the IDF is pursuing them. None of that is propaganda.
You and every half-wit protesting in a tent choose to be blissfully ignorant of reality. The people of Gaza who are providing cover for murderers are not innocent. They are valid targets.
My proposal - the IDF keeps going door to door rooting out terrorists and fire munitions on any location from which an attack is launched. If the Gazans want it to stop, then they can stop it.
"Fuck off and die, lying piece of shit. Hamas did invade Israel. They did kill babies. They did rape women. Then they fled back to Gaza and have continued to hide in hospitals and schools and neighborhoods knowing that the IDF is pursuing them. None of that is propaganda"
Come, come, it's all propaganda. You can do better than this. How about god personally giving the land to Jews? That's one you haven't tried yet.
"the IDF keeps going door to door rooting out terrorists and fire munitions"
Very messy. I've suggested dousing the enclave in Zyklon B. Not only is it proven effective but is cheap and humane. Plus it has the extra frisson of telling the world, 'fuck you, Jewish genocide has god's seal of approval.'
Which every day the Gazan citizenry goes without turning out every member of Hamas proves they deserve good and hard
How are they supposed to do that when Hamas is in Qatar?
On that topic, why isn't anyone attacked Qatar, where Hamas is?
How are they supposed to do that when Hamas is in Qatar?
The Hamas guys in Qatar fled months ago.
The Hamas guys in Qatar fled months ago.
No they didn't, unless the Times of Israel is lying.
Apparently I got that wrong; only some Hamas leaders have fled: https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-777767
Where did they flee to?
When terrorists taking cover in your territory makes you a target, you turn the terrorists over to the people targeting you and you are no longer a target. Is that difficult to grasp?
Again, how does that help when the terrorist leadership is being sheltered in a country that is off limits?
Bro, are you still celebrating the Oct 7 massacre? Your compatriots have long since pivoted to denying that it ever happened.
He does both, interchangeably.
"There was a ceasefire on Oct 6th."
Not true. Israelis had been murdering Palestinians all through the year.
"There could have been a ceasefire at any point since,"
The Palestinians want more than a ceasefire. They want the end of the occupation, and release of Palestinian political prisoners. The Israelis haven't agreed to these term which were on offer since Oct 8th last year.
They also want all jews pushed into the sea.
"They also want all jews pushed into the sea."
We all want something. What we'll settle for is another matter. As I wrote, Palestinians seem to be willing to settle for an end of occupation and return of political prisoners, something the Israelis are yet ready to offer.
If the IDF ceases before all the current leaders of Hamas are uprooted, they are fools. There is no compromising with people who want you dead. You kill them first.
"Palestinians seem to be willing to settle for an end of occupation and return of political prisoners"
Spoken like a true ignoramus.
Lol, hardly. I went to school with Palestinians, and they won't settle for anything other than the creation of an independent country of Palestine, which has never existed in millennia, in the entire area including the land Israel controls. "From the river to the sea" means exactly that. It's why they get pissed when nations who take them in don't bomb Israel.
which has never existed in millennia
Neither have Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, etc.
Egypt, Libya, Tunisia
Those were all independent states in the 19th century.
Depends on how you define "independent." On paper they were part of the Ottoman Empire. In practice they were European colonial possessions. "Independent" in the sense of not-being-governed-by-foreigners not so much.
Point being that "Palestine hasn't been an independent country in a long time" is not a great defense of Israel's right to be an independent country, as Israel also hasn't been an independent country in a long time.
Depends on how you define “independent.”
They were de facto independent for centuries (decades in the case of Egypt) before becoming European possessions. They governed their own internal affairs and conducted their own foreign policy free of the influence of the Ottoman empire. Egypt continued to self-govern internally through its possession by the Ottoman empire and the British empire.
Palestine hasn’t been an independent country in a long time
Palestine hasn't been an independent country ever.
They were de facto independent for centuries (decades in the case of Egypt) before becoming European possessions.
Note how we now have to start using modifiers on "independent." I'm not sure a trip through the weeds on whether and how much Egypt was truly independent in the 19th century helps much on the question of Israel, which resoundingly was not independent and hasn't been at any time in the last 2,000 years.
Palestine hasn’t been an independent country ever.
Untrue. Palestine was an independent country roughly the same time Israel was.
There simply is no ethno-nationalist argument for Israel that doesn't also apply to the Palestinians. It's a dead-end road.
If by “Palestine” you mean “Jordan”
Egypt was an empire for a couple of thousand years until they were finally conquered by the Persians, and the Mamluks themselves were Egyptian. Libya and Tunisia can at least lay claim to have been part of Carthage before Rome snapped them up. Lebanon and Syria were also their own nations before the Babylonians and Persians took them over.
Yes, they hadn't existed in their modern conception prior to World War II, but they already had an ancient identity infused in them as part of their culture, and the post-colonial carve-up mainly reflected the European understanding of classical history. The Palestinians were mostly Arab sandbillies who didn't become prominent in the area until the Salafist takeover from the Byzantines.
And irrespective of all that, controlling land is about who has the will and resources to take it and hold on to it. The Arabs like to appeal to "time and tradition" when claiming eternal possession of lands taken from them, but that's more of an effort to turn western conceptions of property rights in their favor. Someone else had those lands and the right to them by "time and tradition" long before the Arabs ever did, and if Israel holds on to their land for several hundred years, they could make the same appeal.
But property rights doesn't apply to statecraft. It never did.
And let's not forget that the Jews continually occupied that area for 5 thousand years anyway.
As have the Palestinians.
The who?
And irrespective of all that, controlling land is about who has the will and resources to take it and hold on to it.
Which then comes down to a basically Nietzschean point that the land belongs to whomever can hold it by force. In which case I don't understand the sense that there's something morally wrong with the Palestinians but not the Israelis, since they're both involved in an armed tribal struggle over land that in the end seems to boil down to "might makes right."
I don’t see it as a moral question. I realize it’s been framed that way over the decades, but I don’t really give a shit about that because morality has nothing to do with a nation-state’s armed control of its territory. Adopting a post-World War II framework of morals on statecraft has a lot to do with how we got here in the first place. We took over half the North American continent because we thought it was our manifest destiny to do so; same with the Arabs that conquered the Middle East, North Africa, and Spain.
I don’t see it as a moral question.
That's why I'm saying at root you seem to be taking a Nietzschean view of the situation - it's simply an armed struggle, and whoever is victorious is the rightful ruler of the land.
That's why I'm not sure you need the historicist appeals to the "right" of the Israelis to the land. Don't they have the right to it merely because they've seized it by force and there's nothing the Palestinians can do about it? And that if the Palestinians manage to defeat them that they will have the same right?
Also worth pointing out that the creation of the nation of Israel, by the UN, is a central feature of the "post-World War II framework of morals on statecraft."
Don’t they have the right to it merely because they’ve seized it by force and there’s nothing the Palestinians can do about it? And that if the Palestinians manage to defeat them that they will have the same right?
Sure. That's how it works. Otherwise, most of us should just fuck off back to the lands of our ancestors. But that's not how human history works.
Also worth pointing out that the creation of the nation of Israel, by the UN, is a central feature of the “post-World War II framework of morals on statecraft.”
Yeah, but it wouldn't have meant much if they hadn't fought a war to keep it, and then multiple wars to hold on to it.
Egypt was an empire for a couple of thousand years until they were finally conquered by the Persians
Which was 2,500 years ago.
the Mamluks themselves were Egyptian
No, they specifically weren't. No Egyptian ruled Egypt between the Persian conquest and Sadat. The Mamluks were originally Turks, but the category expanded to include any slaves of non-African stock. And the Mamluks came into power by overthrowing the dynasty founded by the Kurd who overthrew the Arabs who had been in charge since they kicked the Romans out.
Libya and Tunisia can at least lay claim to have been part of Carthage before Rome snapped them up.
Tunisia can claim some connection to Carthage, but Libya is another artificial country made of three traditionally independent kingdoms that have allied together, only one of which was part of Carthage (Tripolitania), and whose independence has been intermittent at best.
Lebanon and Syria were also their own nations before the Babylonians and Persians took them over.
Which, again, was 2,500 years ago.
The Palestinians were mostly Arab sandbillies who didn’t become prominent in the area until the Salafist takeover from the Byzantines.
How is it that the modern Lebanese have direct ties with the ancient Phoenicians, the modern Israelis have direct ties with the ancient Hebrews, the modern Syrians have direct ties with ancient Syria, the modern Egyptians have direct ties with the ancient Egyptians, the modern Tunisians have direct ties with the Carthaginians, but the modern Palestinians have no ties with the ancient Palestinians?
What ancient Palestinians? Literally no one called themselves that during that time period.
The first clear use of the term Palestine to refer to the entire area between Phoenicia and Egypt was in 5th century BCE ancient Greece, when Herodotus wrote of a "district of Syria, called Palaistinê" (Ancient Greek: Συρίη ἡ Παλαιστίνη καλεομένη) in The Histories, which included the Judean mountains and the Jordan Rift Valley . . . . The term is generally accepted to be a cognate of the biblical name Peleshet (פלשת Pəlésheth, usually transliterated as Philistia).
"Palestinian" = "Philistine"
" I went to school with Palestinians, and they won’t settle for anything other than the creation of an independent country of Palestine"
What's your beef with independent countries? Don't you live in an independent country yourself? Or would you prefer subservience?
The beef is with an "independent country" that would in fact be a religious dictatorship, run by a group whose founding principle is the killing and/or driving out of all jews in the region.
What's your beef with me shrugging my shoulders at people who can't hold on to the very land they say is theirs, and then go on to subvert and chimp out against the countries who take them in?
"What’s your beef with me shrugging my shoulders "
Because you are complicit in this atrocity. It's your tax dollars at work and politicians you elected who are driving it along. Your shrugging your shoulders doesn't change any of that. That's what I admire about the young people occupying the campuses and participating in demonstrations. No shoulder shrugging there.
"That’s what I admire about the young people occupying the campuses and participating in demonstrations. No shoulder shrugging there."
Wouldn't they be even more admirable if they went to Gaza to fight alongside their allies?
"Wouldn’t they be even more admirable if they went to Gaza to fight alongside their allies?"
Possibly. The Gazans realize though they have enemies other than the Israelis. The American state, for example, which finances Israel's heinous genocide. Our young people are confronting the American state and that's something the people of Gaza can't easily do. In war not everyone can arm themselves and fight the enemy, even though you find them admirable for doing so. American students are risking their lives and freedom defying the state. These splendid people are doing more than enough to earn our respect and admiration.
These splendid people are doing more than enough to earn our respect and admiration.
There's nothing admirable about marxist swine or their thralls.
Because you are complicit in this atrocity.
Sorry, I don't accept marxist guilt-mongering. I'm not complicit in a single thing, no matter how much you want to jawbone me otherwise.
It’s your tax dollars at work and politicians you elected who are driving it along.
My tax dollars are also funding DEI bullshit I don't support. Turns out an overscaled government bureaucracy spends money on a lot of things that may not need it.
Your shrugging your shoulders doesn’t change any of that.
You trying to guilt-monger doesn't make your opinion correct. In fact, anything asserted by a marxist should never be taken at face value.
That’s what I admire about the young people occupying the campuses and participating in demonstrations. No shoulder shrugging there.
Well, of course pigs are going to admire other pigs in the pen.
"I don’t accept marxist guilt-mongering"
The IRS doesn't give a shit what you don't accept and neither do I. They're happy as long as you keep paying what they ask of you. And you keep paying. And you keep electing the politicians that make it happen. That makes you complicit. Now, shrug off, monkey boy.
The IRS doesn’t give a shit what you don’t accept and neither do I.
And I don't give a shit if you, or the IRS, accept it or not. The only good marxist is a fumigated marxist.
They’re happy as long as you keep paying what they ask of you. And you keep paying. And you keep electing the politicians that make it happen. That makes you complicit.
It makes me about as complicit in that as it makes me complicit in Biden hiring that clothes-stealing queef for the nation's nuke division. Which means, not at all.
Now, shrug off, monkey boy.
Monkeys are still higher on the evolutionary ladder than marxist pigs, who all need to be sent to the smokehouse.
" The only good marxist is a fumigated marxist."
Again with the bluster and insults. You've really turned into a one note johnny. Let m know if you decide to have any interesting thoughts.
"...Now, shrug off, monkey boy."
Now, fuck off, antisemitic pile of shit.
"...Let m know if you decide to have any interesting thoughts."
Let us know if you have anything other than incoherent bullshit, fuckface.
Again with the bluster and insults. You’ve really turned into a one note johnny. Let m know if you decide to have any interesting thoughts.
Now, shrug off, monkey boy.
"...Because you are complicit in this atrocity..."
No, *YOU*. as an antisemitic shit pile, are complicit in the atrocity, RRWP is 'complicit' in trying to end the continuing atrocity, asshole.
Fuck off and die.
Political prisoners?
You mean the 'writer' who kidnapped, tortured, and murdered a young man?
The occupation? You mean the self-governing province of Palestine?
"Political prisoners?"
Political prisoners are those in prison for their beliefs rather than their actions. If the term offends you, substitute 'prisoner of conscience' instead, coined by the group Amnesty International.
Israelis had been murdering Palestinians all through the year.
Cite? Or are describing defending their border by retaliating against rocket attacks as murdering?
Piece of shit lefty tactic, "repeat the lie until it becomes the truth".
"Cite?"
You need to familiarize yourself with the facts. It won't do to mindlessly repeat propaganda. Insults and bluster aren't going to convince anyone.
“Political Prisoners” like the woman who burned her own face off trying to bomb Israelis and was arrested for it
Wars are terrible — best to not risk starting one with a heavily armed enemy by doing something to provoke them
And yet Hamas started one anyway, knowing full well, nay, expecting and anticipating an over-reaction on the part of the Israeli government.
Why would someone do that? Maybe they're stupid, or maybe they thought that Israel could be relied upon to react in a way that would turn the world against them.
Oh, wait . . .
"Maybe they’re stupid,"
I don't think this is the answer. Palestinians have a very long history of people negotiating over their heads. Trump's accords with various Arab countries and Israel is a recent example. The diplomatic maneuvers that led to the seizing of the Achille Lauro during the Reagan years was another. Palestinians resorted to terror and were eventually appeased by Reagan and the Israelis. Palestinians were finally officially recognized and got a seat at the table, no longer frozen out of discussions on their fate. The actions of Oct. 7th were Palestinians telling the world, we're still here and we're determined not to be ignored.
I don’t think this is the answer.
Which was my point, obviously. Israel is behaving exactly the way Hamas expected they would, and now people are paying attention to the Palestinians again in a way that they weren't one year ago.
I tend to avoid explanations that rely on either side collectively being uniquely stupid or evil and prefer thinking in terms of individuals and their personal goals.
"I tend to avoid explanations that rely on either side collectively being uniquely stupid or evil and prefer thinking in terms of individuals and their personal goals."
Although it's an emotional issue, I hope I do the same. But look at the responses to my comments, which are fact based and free of invective:
Piece of shit lefty
Fuck off and die, lying piece of shit
Lie, lie, lie, lie, lies, etc.
you cunt.
That's just a few from today.
"Come, come, it’s all propaganda."
Is this an example of one of your fact based comments?
"Is this an example of one of your fact based comments?"
Exactly. Your first step is to be able to distinguish fact from propaganda. Your first test: Now, did Hamas rape dozens of nice but headless Jewish babies in ovens or not? Yes or no?
Shut up Misek.
You really can't answer, can you? Thanks for illustrating my point so vividly.
"...Piece of shit lefty
Fuck off and die, lying piece of shit
Lie, lie, lie, lie, lies, etc.
you cunt..."
More civilized than an antisemite lying pile of lefty shit like you deserves.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Although it’s an emotional issue, I hope I do the same.
Note that I'm not taking nearly the flack that you are.
Do you wonder why that is?
"Do you wonder why that is?"
I don't really care. Probably because I'm so evil. In any case it's nice that someone can answer me in a more or less civil manner.
Palestinians have a very long history of people negotiating over their heads.
Why wouldn't they? They've been vassals since their ancestors moved there in Middle Ages. A vassal doesn't dictate terms to its lord, especially when that lord allows "refugees" to remain there even after they conduct assassination attempts (Jordan), start civil wars (Lebanon), and enable foreign invasions by regional powers (Kuwait).
Why wouldn’t they?
Is that a stance that you would accept under the same circumstances?
They're free to try and change the circumstances if they want. But it's the height of entitlement for them to believe that they can act how they wish with impunity and not expect reprisal or rejection.
There's a reason Egypt wants nothing to do with Gaza, and it isn't because they want to use the Palestinians as a cudgel. It's because they aren't stupid and don't feel the need to accept dumb neocon fantasias about establishing a "peaceful" solution by taking over the area.
They’re free to try and change the circumstances if they want.
That's what they're doing, no?
But it’s the height of entitlement for them to believe that they can act how they wish with impunity and not expect reprisal or rejection.
Agreed. I've noted elsewhere that I believe Israel to be behaving exactly how Hamas expected them to.
The head of Hamas in Gaza spent some 20 years in Israel prisons and was only released thanks to Netanyahu's decision a few years back to trade 1000 Palestinians for one captured Israeli soldier. Sinwar, I believe the name is, and during his stay as a guest of the Israeli people, he learned that Israel simply cannot take casualties and planned accordingly. He might have underestimated Israel here. On Oct. 7th, many many of the casualties were killed by Israelis themselves. Maybe just the fog of war, but I was shocked when Israeli soldiers shot and killed two half naked Hebrew speakers waving a white cloth. Add this to the thousands of Palestinian children, medical staff, aid workers, journalists etc, and it seems that Israelis are down with killing just about anyone regardless of whether they have an Israeli passport or not. I don't think Hamas expected that.
That’s what they’re doing, no?
Sure. But unlike most of the debate around this issue, I'm not getting hysterical about who has the "right" to push back or not. They can take the land back. Or get their shit pushed in. Either way, it's not my problem unless the campus marxists decide to come into my neighborhood with their bullshit. Then I'll make it their problem.
I mean, you continually wave away Palestine's constant attacks and minimize the rape and murder - while constantly claiming Israel is trying to exterminate the Palestinians when it's the other way around.
You just lie.
Occupier and occupied, two sets of rules apply. Occupiers have no rights to occupy. They do have the responsibility to treat the occupied peoples decently, according to various treaties they are signatory to, the Geneva conventions etc. The occupied have every right to resist occupation, even using violence. That's what we're seeing in Gaza today.
""The actions of Oct. 7th were Palestinians telling the world, we’re still here and we’re determined not to be ignored.""
Is that what that was? They did get attention.
The attackers built their headquarters under a hospital and their military infrastructure under people's homes. What does that say to the world?
"Is that what that was? They did get attention."
They also seem to have stalled any Saudi Arabian plans to normalize relations with Israel.
"What does that say to the world?"
Nothing it doesn't already know. During the blitz in London, WWII, people took shelter in their subway system, or 'tube' as they affectionately call it. NORAD hides its headquarters deep underground as well, for safety.
Who says the left-right political spectrum doesn't exist?
Wow, so Bush is now considered a 'good' conservative huh? That image is certainly disturbing, although it's absolutely bizarre that Trump and Putin are on the right under 'too much capitalism' along with fascism. I...really don't think that's the problem in Russia.
Also, is that Pelosi in the very middle? Geez, that's one hell of a shift in the overton window...
Hell, Dick Fucking Chaney and his disgusting daughter are good conservatives now.
Just goes to show that if not for double standards, the left would have none.
I mean, sure, there are still a few Republicans that think Bush was great but... I sure haven't met one in the last ten years if not fifteen years.
And Pelosi as the middle is simply indefensible beyond the fact that the left has skewed so far afield that Stalin himself might seem centrist to some of them.
I remember when Bush (either of them) was literally Hitler.
A teacher once asked sixth-grade students to compare former President George W. Bush to the Nazi leader.
According to local media, the educator at McKinley Middle School sent students home with a Venn diagram as part of a class project. It included instructions to compare and contrast Hitler and Bush, stating that “both men abused their powers.”
German justice minister compares President George W. Bush to Hitler
The topic came up in 2002, when discussing Bush’s tactics in Iraq.
“Bush wants to divert attention from his domestic problems,” The regional newspaper Schwäbisches Tagblatt reported Chancellor Gerhard Schröder’s justice minister, Herta Däubler-Gmelin. “It’s a classic tactic. It’s one that Hitler also used.”
And none other than Fidel Castro compared Reagan to Hitler...
President Ronald Reagan, more dangerous than Hitler
This one came again after a 1986 bombing in Libya, but was from Cuban President Fidel Castro, saying Reagan was “as unscrupulous and as irresponsible as Hitler.”
“In a sense, Reagan is potentially more dangerous than the German Nazi leader because he has a much more powerful military arsenal at his disposal, including nuclear weapons,” Castro said.
Yeah, it's amazing what the past two decades have done to reform previous Presidents that were largely hated just a few years ago.
It's easy for the left to suddenly decide the last Republican wasn't so bad when there is exactly zero chance they will ever hold power again.
Obama's tenure has aged like milk left in the sun, but somehow his tenure in office remains unassailable despite his many, many constitutional violations.
I'd be curious to see how many lawsuits against Obama get quashed if they decide Trump doesn't have immunity. I'd love to see their contortions to only get Republicans caught up in their web. Perhaps ex post facto will suddenly have meaning again, although that doesn't really make sense as those were illegal acts even at the time it's just the whole 'no reasonable prosecutor' noise over and over again with Democrats.
If it wasn't such blatant one-sided prosecutions I'd give them more of a benefit of a doubt, but as is it seems to be naked partisanship. I'd love to see politicians face repercussions for their illegal acts, but one sided enforcement seems worse than the status quo.
"If it wasn’t such blatant one-sided prosecutions"
Grow up. All prosecutions are one sided. How exactly do you think the legal system works?
"Grow up..."
This from the shit with 6YO intelligence.
Fuck off and die.
It's (D)ifferent.
"Wow, so Bush is now considered a ‘good’ conservative huh? "
His second term was far better than his disastrous first. The wars with Iraq and Afghanistan were blunders, sending Iraq into the arms of Iran, and of course the fall of Saddam Hussein did absolutely nothing to bring peace to the region as the Israelis promised. But Bush made the best of a terrible situation. The purple fingered elections green lighted by Bush calmed things down, he fired Rumsfeld, and eventually negotiated a partial withdrawal of most of the troops.
Don't talk about Michelle Obama's buddy like that.
""the fall of Saddam Hussein did absolutely nothing to bring peace to the region as the Israelis promised""
When did Israel promise that?
I don't think the restart of that war was because of anything the Israelis said, much less promised.
"When did Israel promise that? "
Early 2003, before the war. Remember Hussein fired missiles at Tel Aviv, gave pensions to the families of suicide bombers and exile to Palestinian militants like Abu Nidal. I doubt Rumsfeld or Cheney were taken in but it's a different story with the ever gullible American public. Taking down Saddam, we were informed, would so disorient and depress the Palestinian people that they'd have no choice but to give up their struggles and accept their sub human status. Sounds crazy, I know, but the American public were fed a steady diet of this garbage. Eventually America went to war and Israel stayed at home.
The TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit turd needs to see this:
"Biden Calls for 44.6% Capital Gains Tax Rate, Highest Capital Gains Tax Since Its Creation in 1922"
[...]
"And don’t forget to add the state capital gains tax: the Biden combined federal-state rate would exceed 50% in many states
President Biden has formally proposed the highest top capital gains tax in over 100 years.
Here is a direct quote from the Biden 2025 budget proposal: “Together, the proposals would increase the top marginal rate on long-term capital gains and qualified dividends to 44.6 percent...”
https://www.atr.org/biden-calls-for-44-6-capital-gains-tax-rate-highest-capital-gains-tax-since-its-creation-in-1922/
Gee, I remember a POTUS who cut taxes.
This will surely spur on investments.
This is what dekulakization looks like in the 21st century. Nobody needs more than 5 acres.
A man only needs enough land to subsistence farm from sunup to sundown for his whole life to feed his family plus a little left over to bury him.
Are you with the WEF?
It's an ask he doesn't want in order to mollify their 'eat the rich' supporters.
I'm sure he's mollifying his actual base, that being the billionaire class, that either this won't happen or there will be enforcement mechanisms to let them evade those rates.
What they may not expect is that some of their membership in Congress and the Senate actually believe this 'eat the rich' garbage and will act accordingly. It's an open question if their leadership in the house or senate will be able to keep them under their thumb, although so far so good I suppose.
It’s an open question if their leadership in the house or senate will be able to keep them under their thumb, although so far so good I suppose.
Yeah - the "eat the rich" caucus is currently only about a third of sitting Democrats, which seems to be the sweet spot for foregrounding loud populist voices while actually acting in the interest of billionaire donors.
Yeah, that seems about right. It’s insane since those are diametrically opposed things, but so far Democrats manage to tell the proletariat they will eat the rich while telling the robber barons that they will do no such thing.
Honestly, this feels like the start of Democrats hanging from lamp posts if they keep it up long enough. Not by conservatives or anything, no, but by their own in groups.
It’s probably not a coincidence that Democrat leadership is very pro-intel agency since they are probably hoping that will help keep the proletariat from doing exactly that. They can’t all be that ignorant of history, no matter what their idiot speech writers put in their mouths.
>>One can dislike the rhetoric of campus protestors while still supporting their First Amendment rights.
fuck your fine people on both sides bullshit.
>>Is there no artistic convention she won't break?
has she finally crossed into art?
>>We could all learn a thing or two from their earnest, orderly demonstration about such a painful, weighty topic.
instead why don't you spend 30 minutes on a piece contrasting them and the campus morons you obviously support oh wait
>>Matt Yglesias on why driverless cars are underhyped.
how to be even less manly ...
A weird thing to say since driverless cars are perhaps the single most overhyped and under delivered 'future tech' of my generation.
And my generation has seen a lot of overhyped and under delivered tech, too.
Remember when computers would eliminate paper?
Yeah, which still seems more plausible than driverless cars.
Of course, since I worked in healthcare for years I quickly realized paperless was never going to fly in so-called 'critical industries' due to the fact you simply must CYA and you can't delete a print out from the server.
Pentagon Assoc. Director: Mobilize Nat’l Guard to Grab All the Guns and Tear Down the Wall
https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1768009862963728480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1768009862963728480%7Ctwgr%5Ee47c07e0d15435353cbcef4c4f0b757db2458d3e%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.shootingnewsweekly.com%2F2024%2F03%2F14%2Fpentagon-assoc-director-mobilize-natl-guard-to-grab-all-the-guns%2F
BREAKING INSIDE THE PENTAGON: Associate Director in the Office of the Secretary of Defense says, “Why not just have an open border?” “Tear down the wall.”
“I think we should repeal the Second Amendment and take the guns all away!” says Jason Beck, who has a classified security clearance and works for the Department of Defense. Beck, who uses a fake name Aiden Grey in his meetings with a disguised James O’Keefe, describes his extremist policies, including “mobilizing the national guard” to confiscate guns from people’s homes. Beck says he wants a “monopoly on state violence,” a concept he describes as “‘We {the government), are the only ones with guns.”
Jason Beck works in Total Force Requirements & Sourcing Policy in the Office of
@SecDef
Lloyd Austin. This office oversees the
@DeptofDefense
and acts as the principal defense policy maker and adviser to the President of the United States. Beck says he helps “writes answers for testimony” of “the department’s senior leadership – basically they go over to the Hill for hearings on the department’s posture.”
In this shocking footage we get an INSIDE look as Jason Beck tells James O’Keefe, “we need to pack the Supreme court,” ban the United States Senate, and abolish the electoral college. He also discusses his “bottom surgery’ being painful and the changes to his plumbing.
[Edit: apparently this was a month ago, but this is the first I've heard of it, so sorry if this is old news.]
He also discusses his “bottom surgery’ being painful and the changes to his plumbing.
Wait, so is this a MtF troon, or a FtM pooner? Because I respect biology, not pronouns.
I mean, it's not that big of a shocker that they are a rabid leftist and work in the pentagon when you really think about it. It's the organization they could use to stage a coup, and this type is never all that concerned with a peaceful transfer of power. They are absolutely fine with other people dying to put them into positions of absolute power.
>1915 genocide carried out against their people by the Ottoman Empire. We could all learn a thing or two from their earnest, orderly demonstration about such a painful, weighty topic.
It was a fucking century ago. No, there's nothing to learn here except some people are exceptionally whiny.
"It was a fucking century ago."
It was only 3 years ago that Biden gathered the courage to defy Turkish public and official opinion and declare it a genocide. A century and some 15 presidents after the fact.
It was the inspiration for Hitler when he invaded Poland. We forget at our peril.
Even where students are violating university policy and "time, place, and manner restrictions," the scenes from these crackdowns do not look particularly proportional or First Amendment-friendly.
What is the proportional and First Amendment friendly response to the early days of the second Nazi party? Particularly when these are just the Sturmabteilung acting out in public with the private wink-and-nod approval of those in power?