Marjorie Taylor Greene Introduces Measure To Oust Mike Johnson as House Speaker
Johnson could lose the speakership for the same reasons Kevin McCarthy lost it just five months ago. Who will be next?

Andy Warhol once said, "In the future, everyone will be House speaker for 15 minutes."
Well, he didn't say that exactly. But a similar sentiment is at play in Washington, D.C.
On Friday, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R–Ga.) introduced a motion to vacate that would remove Rep. Mike Johnson (R–La.) as House speaker. Johnson was memorably elected to the position in October after hard-line Republicans ousted Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R–Calif.) from the role—the first time the chamber had voted to remove a speaker in its history.
Now, Greene is threatening to do the same to Johnson, and for very similar reasons.
Greene's move came as the House voted to pass a $1.2 trillion omnibus spending bill that has proved divisive among Republicans. "In a 286-134 vote that came down to the wire,… Democrats rallied to provide the support to overcome a furious swell of opposition by conservative Republicans," reported Catie Edmondson at The New York Times.
On the House floor, Greene expressed her "extreme opposition" to the bill and declared, "No Republican in the House of Representatives, in good conscience, can vote for this bill. It is a complete departure [from] all of our principles."
After the vote, Greene told reporters the motion was "more of a warning" and that "there's not a time limit on this." She added that "it's time for us to go through the process, take our time and find a new speaker of the House that will stand with Republicans and our Republican majority instead of standing with the Democrats."
But with the possibility that House Republicans may oust their second speaker in five months, it's worth wondering how long it will take until they find a candidate who will pass muster—or if one exists.
After all, the case against Johnson is strikingly similar to the line of attack that took down McCarthy and gained Johnson the speakership in the first place. In removing McCarthy from power, some House Republicans called for a return to a more traditional way for the chamber to function, in which individual spending bills are brought to the floor, debated, and voted on—in contrast to the never-ending parade of omnibus bills slapped together at the last minute as a stopgap measure to fund the government for a few months at a time.
A return to tradition and order was exactly what Johnson promised in a letter to colleagues days before he was elected speaker—but within weeks, he was relying on the same sort of parliamentary tricks as his predecessor, passing stopgap appropriations bills that would maintain the same levels of government spending without allowing for any debate over potential cuts.
To be clear, the holdouts' stated demands were not unreasonable: While many called those who ousted McCarthy "wack jobs," "the wack jobs have a point: The federal budget process is broken, and it's been broken for decades," as Reason's Peter Suderman wrote in The New York Times. A return to normalcy would be a welcome change of pace, but Johnson was ultimately unable to deliver on his promise.
If Johnson is indeed removed, then it's worth wondering who else will try to step up to the plate. Rep. Patrick McHenry (R–N.C.), who served as interim speaker after McCarthy's ouster, is leaving Congress at the end of the current term. House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R–La.), a logical candidate, withdrew from consideration last time after failing to win over the party's disparate factions.
Perhaps, to paraphrase Warhol's famous prognostication (which was, itself, likely apocryphal), every Republican will eventually get the chance to be speaker—until they, too, give in to politics as usual, run afoul of the rest of the caucus, and are removed from the position, allowing the next congressman to give it a try.
A member of Greene's communications staff did not immediately respond to Reason's request for comment.
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It's broken for very obvious reasons: the American people overwhelming want to have their cake and eat it too - they just can't agree upon who should pay for it or how. The majority of Americans deserve what is going to happen to them at the end of the dead-end road we are on now, although those of us who have been very clear that Congress should not authorize spending greater than revenues will not deserve what's going to happen because of the idiocy of our fellow Americans.
This would all be a lot easier if institutions like the media weren’t firmly under the control of the democrats. Something has to happen, and soon.
I predict a violent, bloody street fight for control. If it comes to that, I hope that as many democrats die in extended agony as possible. As that is exactly what they deserve.
They really are to blame.
That doesn't make you sound like a psychopath at all.
You just don’t want to get slaughtered when shit gets real. If you do t want that to happen, quit trying to turn America into a Marxist shithole and leave Americans alone.
Only psychos do that.
Stop being an idiot...you live in your Mom's basement and live on a steady diet of Yoohoo and Doritos.
You have *fatbodied loser* written all over you and would cower at the site of a 5 year old with. squirt gun......
Cunt, in any physical confrontation, armed or unarmed, I would obliterate you. You leftists are all weak little faggots that are only brave when you outnumber an opponent 10 to 1 and have a democrat run prosecutor and police chief covering for you.
You’re just as big a pussy as Sarc. Or are you Sarc? He’s too big of a pussy to back up his threats too.
Oh, no! An internet troll said he can kick my ass. Whatever shall I do?
I'm shaking in my boots, tough guy.
Suuure, Zippy...I'm a 70 year man who stills does triathlons and marathons...
Your best chance would be to knock me out with that fetid breath reeking of Doritos and Mangoman spooge...
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Average republicans have become Liberal Racist Democrat Marxist Progressive Authoritarians… AKA – common democrats.
MTG is fighting a losing battle.
Republicans and democrats are now…. one.
Uniparty.
Oh they agree all right, who should pay for it. Someone else should, and how doesn't matter, as long as they get on with it.
We have to stop putting weak sycophantic RINOs in positions of power because they are afraid of the deep state. Look at what the deep state is trying to do to Trump. Do you think we can continue to be free if we don't have opposition to the anti-Constitutional and anti-America underground communists? We are in deep trouble if we don't stop birthright citizenship, close the borders, and get rid of government intrusion into our classrooms. The democrats have done a job on the family, our children, our freedoms, and our Constitutional rights.
I thought Fudd was the craziest person in this thread. You might be challenging him with this nonsense.
I’m not crazy, I just see a little further down the road than most. And I’m willing to acknowledge what has to happen to your kind in order to save this country.
Of course if you want to spare us the trouble of eliminating you in self defense, you are always welcome surrender unconditionally, not a drop of blood need be spilled.
But you’re too stupid for that.
Imagine how scared I am of you and your impotent threats. I'll have to change my entire life to keep myself safe from such a terrifying person as you.
Tell me, are you planning to double down on stupid and crazy? I don't know how much more fear my heart can take from a Tommy Toughguy like you.
I just see a little further down the road than most.
The *road* being Trump's anus.
It's not so much a fear of the "Deep State" as a desire to keep the country operating. They get elected to keep the country running. Not all of them are bent on pulling the plug.
There is no *Deep State*
You're just DEEPLY STUPID
Deep State is merely a name for the faceless, unelected, power-hungry, unaccountable, ever-growing bureaucracy. It has been there since the Founding, but has only recently become so powerful it can control the country and drive it to bankruptcy. It's not a conspiracy as normally considered, it is the result of hive-mindedness: all are thinking alike - save our jobs, our power, and we don't care what happens to others.
If you don't recognize that, you are blind.
There is no *Deep State*
You’re just DEEPLY STUPID
There is no entrenched bureaucracy? Out of every 8 workers, one is working for government. It is not stupid to surmise that there are actors working to sustain that system.
Let your gaslight shine, baby.
There is no *Deep State*
You’re just DEEPLY STUPID
Hey cunt, you already said that. You should go kill yourself. If you don’t, that’s ok too. Things will get settled in the streets, very soon based on where we are now. So if you don’t self abort, I’m sure it will get done for you.
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Be vewy vewy kwiet um having a meltdown...
TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!
(then only three steps to the whitehouse)
https://babylonbee.com/news/checkmate-trump-sneaks-back-into-white-house-invokes-squatters-rights
That's almost funny.
The Speaker of the House doesn't have to be a House member, or even a member of Congress. If the Republicans do oust Mike Johnson, then maybe it's time to find a unity candidate from outside the chamber. Someone who will tell both extreme sides to sit down and shut up and will govern according to the rules and also according to what a majority of the entire House favors.
Fuck "unity" candidates.
It's exactly that kind of bipartisanship that got us into this mess.
Trying to push for a maximalist partisan agenda with a very slim majority isn't working either.
What do you suggest? Just execute the Democrats?
Termed shutdowns.
What?
I suggest you fuck of.
I flagged your comment. I hope Reason's new commentating guidelines have teeth and you are banned. You contribute nothing useful to the discussion.
Jeffy, quit white knighting with your own sock.
Flagging doesn’t do anything except hide that particular post while you’re on this page.
I flagged your comment. I hope Reason’s new commenting guidelines have teeth and you are banned. You contribute nothing useful to the discussion.
Just hope people like that die in agony.
Rmac - you a Nazi/democrat pig? You want censorship?
It means that if the GOP is in power that term, the government is shutdown.
Sounds like a quick way to create a permanent D majority. Very few people want the government to shut down. And extreme actions won't help the problem, it will only make it worse.
The solution isn't hard to understand. The first law of holes says "If you find yourself In a hole, stop digging".
Requiring a balanced budget, without any preconditions, is the necessary first step. Because it is supported by a large majority of Americans, that has a chance to pass. The minute you start bringing in specific cuts or reforms (especially to popular programs like Medicare), failure is assured.
But if you can establish the balanced budget requirement first, the fight shifts to *how* to balance the budget, not *whether* to balance the budget.
There is zero chance that balance can be achieved through cuts alone. That's not just politics, it's basic math. The sensible approach is to have half spending cuts and half new revenue.
While it will be a vicious knife fight over what programs to cut and who will supply the extra revenue, there are enough wasteful programs and corporate-welfare tax breaks to target that 90% of it will piss off certain special interest constituencies, but not make any difference to the average American.
That last 10% will be brutal, but it's what will have to happen to get us out of this mess. Adjustments to Social Security, hiring freezes (and reduction-through-attrition) for the federal workforce, and other things that will be difficult for partisans to accept.
Even better, the targets to maintain the balanced budget will be in the hands of future politicians. So when Ds have control they may lean into revenue increases and new programs, but they won't be able to do too much because they will have to maintain a balanced budget. When Rs have control, they may lean into corporate welfare and tax cuts, but they will be just as constrained as the Ds by the balance requirement.
Any thoughts (besides the fact that it's too reasonable for either D or R politicians to acceot)?
No one really gives a shit if the government shuts down or is even aware of it. Only beltway idiots think that anyone outside the beltway cares, or even pays attention.
They don’t, and it affect how they vote.
This is a very sensible idea. Although I don’t think the budget should be balanced via half tax increases and half spending cuts. It should come with a wholesale restructuring of the tax code along with a wholesale restructuring of entitlements. Call it a ‘fiscal grand bargain’.
The tax code should be made much flatter. If the progressives are serious about being "more like Scandinavia" then they should accept a tax code that is more like Scandinavia, which is not nearly as progressive as our current tax code. Yes the rich pay more, but the middle class should also pay more in taxes. Also entitlements should be restructured such that the money goes into private accounts that individuals have direct ownership over. That will both stop the government meddling in those schemes, and will also solve the problem of the wealth gap (over time) as more people have access to THEIR OWN MONEY that they pay in to those programs that they can pass down to heirs.
Fuck you, cut spending?
(That’s a royal you by the way. Also, I’m pretty sure the middle class pay a shit ton in taxes.)
The middle class does most of the heavy lifting. There are t enough really wealthy people to pay for everything. This is why democrat filth are never specific about what they would do to solve things. As they have no solutions.
"half tax increases and half spending cuts"
I didn't say tax increases. I said revenue. The easiest way to raise more revenue is to remove the loopholes and sweetheart deals (like the carried interest loophole). It might become necessary to increase taxes at the very end, but there are a lot of special interest tax breaks that would increase revenue without actually hurting the larger economy. Something like a wealth tax, or some other non-income tax, would definitely hurt the economy. Plus punishing someone for being successful is a terrible idea.
Full disclosure, I am pretty much a flat tax guy. No deductions or exemptions, just a 0% tax on the first 20k or so, then everything is taxed at the same rate.
"Also entitlements should be restructured such that the money goes into private accounts that individuals have direct ownership over."
I agree. I have had this idea about an "early contribution" system to replace Social Security. Everyone would get a yearly deposit on their birthday for the first 25 years of their life. I played with the idea of having a percentage go into Treasuries because I worry about who owns our debt, and that would be an easy way to keep a sizable percentage of our debt in American hands. I still think it wouldn't be a bad idea. Also, a percentage would be in index funds to keep a diversified portfolio as a hedge against people doing stupid things with their investments and ending up with nothing. Those two would max out at 25%, the rest would be discretionary for the account holder. The only use before your withdrawl age would be a loan to yourself for college at Fed rate plus 10% so you would only be going into debt to yourself to pay for college.
Management of the accounts could be through private brokerage firms, with the requirement that they be a fiduciary. Proof of fraud or abuse by the firms would result in their elimination from the program.
At 65 you can start withdrawing. Have an annual withdrawal cap that reaches 100% at the average lifespan. The account can be inherited, but only into another person's account "early contribution" account.
The idea is to replace Social Security. These days benefits max out at less than 30k a year. 65 years of compounded interest (with the only possible "deduction" being a college loan you pay yourself back for) would easily outstrip that. Depositing $1200 per year for 25 years, with an annual return of 5%, would be about $450,000 by age 65. It would provide more money, but cost a LOT less.
The transition would be hard, but there's a lot of data and research available on transitioning from defined benefit to defined contribution systems. It makes a lot of sense, especially if people have the choice, with a built-in sunset date for defined benefits.
As long as money can't come out of the system until the recipient reaches retirement age there isn't any larger opportunity for fraud than the present system. Less, probably, since there would be a 65 year paper trail for each account and a fraudster would have to wait 65 years to get a payoff if they created a fraudulent "birth".
The fuck it couldn’t be accomplished by cuts alone.
Federal Revenue $4.44Trillion (https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/government-revenue/)
Now I know that would mean cutting back to the, checks notes, hellscape that was America in 2019 (2018 if you want a bit of a surplus), but gosh darn it, I think we can do it.
I do however agree that getting them to agree to a balanced budget is the first step.
The "go back to 2019" is a fantasy. We have five years of new spending legislation since then. It is literally impossible to "go back to 2019" without repealing every spending bill in the last 5 years and replacing them with what was in place in 2019.
More significantly, the budget wasn't balanced in 2019 so it isn't even a valid benchmark.
The last time we didn't run a deficit was during the Clinton administration. And that was the first time since the 50s.
Going back to 2019 would still leave us with a deficit
I didn’t say go back in time. I said cut the budget back to 2019 spending. Besides the growth in debt payments, none of that spending increase was necessary (especially since they decided to use that “one time Covid spending” the baseline). If spending cuts are off the table, then there is no amount of taxation that will balance the budget.
This isn’t rocket science.
“none of that spending increase was necessary”
That is patently false. Not all spending is discretionary and claiming none of the spending increases (both discretionary and non-discretionary) in the last 5 years were necessary is intentionally dishonest (or massively ignorant).
“If spending cuts are off the table, then there is no amount of taxation that will balance the budget.”
I agree. We can’t tax our way out of this mess. Nor can we cut our way out, since the largest factor in the deficit is entitlement programs (specifically Spcial Security, with the largest demographic cohort in American history drawing on, not contributing to, the program).
You are making a badly flawed assumption that all spending is discretionary and we can cut any spending we want. That isn’t the case, since there are a lot more people drawing on Social Security (just to name one non-discretionary spending item) than five years ago and those numbers will only increase for at least the next 3-5 years. Then they will decrease as the crest of the Baby Boom passes.
The “go back to 2019 spending” trope is literally impossible. Claiming otherwise is either unintentional ignorance about government spending or intentional ignorance used to pretend the problem isn’t complex and difficult to solve. For most people who claim we can cut our way to a balanced budget, it’s the latter.
No serious person thinks the budget can be balanced with spending cuts alone. No serious person thinks that the budget can be balanced with tax increases alone. Our problem is that the radical fringe in each party cynically claims otherwise and the people in between aren’t willing to tell them to sit down and shut up and let the honest people work.
It's time the bottom 50% stopped paying zero taxes and start paying their fair share.
I'm very fucking tired of supporting welfare rats.
Executing the democrats would be the single most valuable step in salvaging our constitutional republic. And if things keep going the way they are, you might just get your wish.
You should read the constitution sometime. It is literally a manually on how to operate a bipartisan government. No one gets everything they want. They have to compromise. To advocate otherwise is either a fundamental misunderstanding of the only way our democracy can possibly function, or it's fundamentally anti-American. One or the other.
Great. We can compromise on constitutionally allowed legislation, which means the democrats get nothing, and we eliminate most of what they have done already.
The majority of the House wants to spend an insane amount of money that you advocated against previously.
Care to try again?
What conceivable reason would they possibly have for doing that? House Speaker is a position you campaign for by promising your congress critter buddies back scratches. People outside congress can't do that so no one in congress will vote for them.
Hey Lying Jeffy, I’m still curious about your opinion on what should happen when people don’t show up for congressional subpoenas. Not trolling, truly curious. You seemed fine with them being jailed when it was Peter Navarro, but are you also fine when it’s Hunter Biden?
As a reminder, here’s your comment when Navarro was put in a cage, before Hunter did the same thing:
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When a Democrat breaks the law, is caught, and sent to jail, that is called ‘justice’.
When a Republican breaks the law, is caught, and sent to jail, that is called ‘political persecution’.
You see, Republicans are inherently good people. They are Real Muricans who believe in the real American values that Real Patriots are supposed to believe in. Therefore if they break the law, they should be given the benefit of the doubt. They had good intentions and were trying to do the right thing.
But Democrats are inherently evil people. They are traitors in all but name only. They hate America and *when* they break the law, it is evidence of their evil criminal intent and they should be locked up forever, if not summarily executed.
https://reason.com/2024/03/19/texas-barred-from-detaining-border-crossers/?comments=true#comment-10490606
Not trolling, truly curious.
This is a lie. You are a troll and are not genuinely curious. You want to entrap me in a gotcha and otherwise play games. Fuck off.
Here is proof that you are trolling: Nowhere in my comment did I say "You seemed fine with them being jailed when it was Peter Navarro". I was mocking you. I wasn't attacking Navarro, I wasn't defending Hunter Biden, I wasn't doing any of the things you were claiming I was doing. I was making fun of you and your tribe for always whining about being a victim whenever things don't go your way. Because it should be plainly obvious at this point that you are a Team Red shill who is only interested in playing trolling games.
Should Navarro be in jail? Should Hunter?
Should they both be in jail? Should that even be a thing that can happen, seeing as the congresspeople ostensibly work for us, not the other way around?
It’s a basic question that Lying Jeffy won’t answer because he’s a lying hypocrite. Individualists my ass.
It is a disgrace what happened to Peter Navarro. That is the thanks he receives for his efforts during the pandemic? A prison cell?
The (low) standard is now set even lower. It is wrong, adds to the bitterness and acrimony, makes any effort to just talk impossible. No good will come out of this.
He’s a fat fucking groomer leftist cunt. The only tangible value he has is to harvest his blubber for lamp oil and whatever other commercial uses whale blubber still has.
"seeing as the congresspeople ostensibly work for us"
Why would you ever think such a thing? That's not at all what a Constitutional republic is. Not even a little bit.
Hey, I’m not the one who calls themself a “public servant”, whose job is to represent their constituents, all while trying to rule over their fellow citizens like some kind of aristocracy. Take it up with the congress critters.
There is a huge difference between "represent their constituents" and "the congresspeople ostensibly work for us". They are representatives, not employees. And each representative is only responsible for their own constituents. Getting pissed because other representatives' constituents aren't the same as yours is insane.
If you think that the most radical element of any group should have the ability to throw a temper tantrum every time their opinion is in the minority, you are advocating for chaos, dysfunction, and ultimately the failure of the country. Screwing 100% of the country because 95% of them disagree with you is petulant and self-destructive.
My friends say she's a dumb blonde
But they don't know she dyes her hair
Do your friends know that most democrats should be taken to the vet and put to sleep?
Can't they just have the speakership rotate to a new random member each week? It would be less disruptive.
And anyone who agrees to borrow another 1.2 trillion dollars for the taxpayers to repay someday should be impeached anyway.
So I read the whole article and reached the conclusion that MTG is correct. But I already knew that.
MTG has never been right. If you want to know what the sane and reasonable position on anything is, find out what MTG thinks. That's the crazy position.
If she’s pissed that he’s “relying on the same sort of parliamentary tricks as his predecessor, passing stopgap appropriations bills that would maintain the same levels of government spending without allowing for any debate over potential cuts.” when Republican voters elect them to actually cut spending, then she is 100% right here.
But we all know that isn't her position. Her position is to maximize exposure for MTG. When faced with actually following the principles she pretends to hold, she has always failed to do so.
Politics is compromise. Retaliating against a Speaker for actually doing their job isn't a sane or rational position. Extremism is always wrong, no mater what a person is being extreme about.
Your position is to spread as much democrat bullshit as possible. MYG is a patriot.
You are a traitor.
Since I'm not a Democrat, that's a strange thing for me to be doing.
Hint: thinking paleocons and theocrats are destructive to America and need to be opposed doesn't make one a Democrat. Those idiots are as wrong fiscally as paleocons are culturally. Just because, right now, they happen to be less destructive to America than today's theocratic Republican party doesn't make them good.
But until Reagan Republicanism comes back into fashion, they're the better of two bad options.
So you’re just a collaborator? Basically a RINO? Then you should know better,
That makes you even worse. A traitor to both your own party, and America.
A collaborator? A traitor? So your position is that if I'm not on the lunatic fringe I'm not allowed to have an opinion?
News flash: almost no one in America believes what you do. Your standard is insane and your impotent rage is pathetic. Grow up.
The democrat party is the ‘lunatic fringe’. MTG largely wants the same things Trump advocates. This includes fiscal restraint, regaining operational control of our southern border, and reduction of productivity strangling regulations for the executive branch.
Please articulate which of those items are part of the ‘lunatic fringe’ by your perception.
MTG is not wrong on the spending. But she is wrong on the solution. Removing Johnson would only make things worse and increase the chances that we would get a Donkey majority in November. That is the worst possible outcome.
So, F that baitch.
The process isn't broken. Republicans are broken and have broken many debt records by cutting taxes on the richest to their lowest level since Herbert Hoover
Yes, the ones that aren’t really conservative vote with democrats to screw America.
1. Tax revenue from the rich actually went up since those cuts were implemented. Oopsies
2. Fuck off, slaver.
Revenue growth has precipitously slowed after each and every tax cut going back to Kemp Roth and the % of income taxes collected from the wealthy has remained steady at LOWER levels than the 1970s.
There is no way to reduce the nation's debt without RAISING revenue and the logical place to do that is by changing the the tax structure on people who have income streams other than wages.
You folks live in a Potemkin world populated by unicorns and successful Trump businesses...two things that don't exist..
Exactly wrong. The reverse is true - tax receipts go UP after tax cuts because the economy grows and more people pay their taxes honestly rather than cheating Uncle Sambo.
Only of you assume that without the tax cuts, revenue would remain the same. You don't get to claim the normal growth in the economy as a result of a tax cut. The only part you get to claim is the diffwrence between expected revenue and actual revenue.
And post-tax-cut revenue has never outperformed expected revenue. It has always been lower, often significantly so.
If you want an analogy, when you sell a stock you have to consider the cost basis to figure out if you made a profit. If you sell $100,000 in stock, you didn't make $100,000 profit.
Tell me you’re a leftist without actually telling me you’re a leftist.
Yes, logic and math are so leftist. Why don't you go back to your basement and fondle your violent fantasies?
Shorter: Supply side economics has never (and will never) work.
Keep telling that lie you Marxist cunt. No one here believes you.
Your impotent rage is amusing. Your ignorance about economics is sad. And your complete lack of understanding about what constitutes Marxism is pathetic.
1983 after Kemp Roth gross tax receipts were lower than in 1982...
2003 after Bush tax cuts gross tax receipts were lower than in 2002...
2017 -2019 tax receipts were flat and then fell in 2020..
-source is OMB Historical Budget tables
SUPPLY SIDE TAX CUTS HAVE NEVER PAID FOR THEMSELVES...EVER...
Too bad the numbers show the complete opposite. The only people living in a world of make believe are fucking assholes like you who think the federal government has an income problem and not a spending problem. And surprise surprise, you think the solution to the government over spending is to take MORE of people’s money. There’s a word for someone who thinks they have a right to take something that belongs to others.
Proof that revenues have gone up year over year (minus economic downturns):
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFR
So a hearty “fuck off, slaver!” to you too.
"fucking assholes like you who think the federal government has an income problem and not a spending problem"
Reasonable people think it's both. If you think it's only a spending problem or only a revenue problem, you are an extremist and can't solve the problem. And it's a big problem.
The problem is that we spend more than we take in. We need to lower spending AND get rid of the corporate welfare and rich guy loopholes that are causing the problem. We need to increase the efficiency of existing programs and eliminate those that don't deliver results. Most importantly, we need to reform entitlements (the most important and significant factor in present and future deficits).
It isn't only about spending. It never has been and it never will be. And the only difference between supply side economics and modern monetary theory is that supply side economics is slightly more disatrous than MMT. Both are awful. Neither will get us out of this mess.
It is pretty clearly a spending problem when we continue to increase by x% the budget of every department/agency no matter what, and one side cries like a little bitch whenever even reducing the x% (not even getting into freezing or cutting the budget) is discussed.
And I’m not even getting into supply side economics or discussing cutting taxes yet (I appreciate you calling it that instead of the bullshit “trickle down” that most people try to smear it as). Though, much like true Keynesian policy, I don’t think the US government has ever really attempted it.
"It is pretty clearly a spending problem when we continue to increase by x% the budget of every department/agency no matter what"
Agreed. But freezing spending (or even cutting it) won't solve the problem alone. We have too many loopholes and sweetheart deals in the tax code. Our entitlement programs are inefficient and need to be reformed. We punish those who work for a living by taxing earned income much, much more than unearned income. We allow our representatives to spout nonsense that we want to hear instead of calling them out for bullshit like "rich people are job creators" or "rich people are bad because they're rich".
If you really want to solve the problem, acknowledge it is a really hard problem to solve, admit that you will have to accept things you don't like along with things you do to solve it, and face the hard truths of macroeconomics.
"I don’t think the US government has ever really attempted it."
No, but Kansas did. It was a disaster. A predictable disaster, but a disaster nonetheless.
Too bad the numbers show the complete opposite.
Only on Tuesday's in Bikini Bottom which everyone knows IS Opposite Day...
OMB publishes historical budget table. The first table details receipts and outlays. Avail yourself of the knowledge therein contained so you don't make an ass out of yourself again to *smart* people like me...
This seems like a point in MTG’s favor that she’s pushing against omnibus bills.
Is she too radioactive for libertarians to even give limited approval for this move?
Or are we still trying to figure out how the darling of the vilified “new” right managed to be a champion for getting spending votes on record?
It’s funny but libertarians can’t say both sides are against responsible spending. First step is getting congress votes on record. Then we get to see who supports what spending and cuts and vote for the guys we like… and see where the pieces land. And that’s why congress likes omnibus bills.
I agree completely that a return to regular order would be awesome. But I don't think that's what MTG supports.
She's a bully, trying to force Speakers to take her seriously. She can't so it by actually being a serious person because she's MTG. But she can threaten chaos and retribution if they don't do what she says.
We already know how most politicians would vote on spending bills. They will largely support the party line (although there are fewer and fewer fiscally responsible Rs these days if they don't pass the cultural war litmus test). I don't think regular order will change much, given the gerrymandering throughout the country. Almost every Congressperson is immune to losing their seat, so as long as they toe the party line they'll be perfectly safe.
"Johnson could lose the speakership for the same reasons Kevin McCarthy lost it just five months ago."
Or the Democrats could come to their senses and support a speaker willing to make deals with them. Nah, that'll never happen.
Good. We need a hard ass ready for a street fight, not some candy ass RINO ready to fold. Like we’ve had ever since Gingrich departed the House.
Mike Johnson, the theocratic Freedom Caucus member, is a RINO? What are you talking about?
Read what I responded to. It wasn’t in reference to Johnson.
You are mistaken. The comment you responded to was entirely in reference to Johnson.
“Or the Democrats could come to their senses and support a speaker willing to make deals with them. Nah, that’ll never happen.”
That is what I responded to. The quotation above that wasn’t part of the comment itself.
So your (and MTG's) complaint is that McCarthy and Johnson were willing to make deals with Ds? So if the entire House doesn't bow to the extremist whims of a dozen or so "my way or the highway" freaks like Pedophile Gaetz and Adulterer Taylor Greene it's perfectly acceptable to screw over the entire country by paralyzing the House?
That's your idea of good governance?
Yes, budgetary restraint is ‘extremist’. And $7.3 trillion budgets are not.
But you’re an ‘moderate’ right?
You aren't talking about budgetary restraint. You are complaining because the delusional wing of the Republican party doesn't get everything it wants. Grow up.
Nonsense. The topic is budgetary restraint and MTG. You used the word extremist.
You’re like a battered wife who rationalizes that hubby drinking, buying whores, and gambling is just normal and standing up against it is extremist.
MTG may be a little wacky (Adulterer? Really? So what?), but anyone who tries to slow the rapid drive off the cliff shouldn’t be criticized for that.
If he’s passing omnibus bills in direct contradiction of what he stated he would do and why he was elected as Speaker, then yes he’s by definition a RINO.
It's Mike Johnson. He's a theocratic member of the Freedom Caucus. Of course he's dishonest and deluded.
If the Dems were not such fools, they would support a less extreme GOP overwhelmingly so that he would be dependent on extreme MAGA and the extreme Wokers would also be closed out.
I'll bite, who is the GOP candidate you would put forward?
It won’t matter. Nothing can be fixed while people like you and your fellow travelers are still here.
So you can't even find a single name? Out of 438 members, you can't find one that you would support? Gee, imagine my surprise.
No asshole, I never said that. And that isn’t the point. The point is that anyone who tries to put the brakes on massive congressional spending g is called an extremist and vilified. Yet you shitbags always go about how ‘moderate’ yo are and how there needs to be consensus……. Which always ends up resulting in bigger deficits and an exploding national debt.
You’re both such disingenuous weasels. You’re not moderate, you’re leftists. Case closed.
"The point is that anyone who tries to put the brakes on massive congressional spending g is called an extremist and vilified."
I want to put the brakes on massive congressional spending. I'm just not so stupid as to believe that cutting spending alone can solve the problem. Nor am I so stupid as to think that taxing the rich alone can solve the problem. Those positions are extremist positions.
"how there needs to be consensus"
Yes. That's how a representational democracy works. You never get everything you want, there is always compromise. What kind of fool thinks otherwise?
"Which always ends up resulting in bigger deficits and an exploding national debt."
Wait, you mean sloganeering, impotent rage, and raw partisanship doesn't force change? Gee, imagine my surprise.
If you think that a tiny minority staking out a fringe position and threatening to make everyone else suffer if they aren't accommodated is an effective means of accomplishing change, you don't understand how change happens.
"You’re not moderate, you’re leftists"
Yes, acknowledging reality and accepting that I will have to stomach things I don't like to see things get better is so leftist. Grow up.
Johnson has had long enough. We need a fast moving house to address all the promises make. If republicans want to keep a majority they need to start working now. Big talk and no action just doesn't cut ti.
This is why making impossible promises is stupid. But the Fredom Caucus won't acknowledge reality, so impossible promises is what they demand from their Speaker.
What reality? That it’s the obligation of republicans to cave in to every that democrat filth want? Yeah, I hear that from your fellow travelers and their RINO collaborator friends all the time.
"What reality?"
That the lunatic fringe (left or right) will never get what they want. That compromise is what politics is about. That incremental change is the virtually only way change happens. That being a political terrorist and threatening to blow everything up if you don't get your way doesn't work. That the more complex a problem is, the more factors that can be used in a solution. That no one has all the answers. That there is no such thing as perfect.
Grow up.
"Yeah, I hear that from your fellow travelers and their RINO collaborator friends all the time."
Reagan Republicans aren't RINOs. By claiming that all but the most extreme culture warriors aren't "real" Republicans, you're signing the death warrant for the GOP. Self-righteous purists don't get results and there is only so much bluster and bullshit that can hide the incompetence of the paleocon version of the GOP that we're suffering under. Sooner or later people will notice that evangelizing about God, Guns, and Gays doesn't get results.
“….lunatic fringe….”
Lol. Talk about sloganeering. When words don’t mean anything, Nelson is what you get.
Tactically, what Congresswoman MTG is doing is unwise. She is handing Team D a cudgel to bash the shit out of Speaker Johnson, at the worst possible time (an election year).
It doesn't help POTUS Trump either, to have a House in Team D hands. The last time Team D controlled the House, POTUS Trump was impeached; not once, but twice. Maybe the congresswoman will change course, after thinking it over.
Coupboy is going to be nowhere near the White House come January 20th, 2025...you need to get your pinhead around that fact...
The fix is in, huh?
Yea...it's called..."Getting more votes"...
If the Democrats were confident that Biden could beat Trump in a fair election, they wouldn't be trying to hard to force him off the ballot.
You mean firing up the laser printer, plus all the ballot harvesting?
It will be a great day for this country when everyone like you is put down.
So a media gaggle just happened to be there when Marge The Adulterous Slut emerged/
Suuuuure....
The Framers of this nation made it clear that they had created a system of governance based upon...
~WAIT FOR IT~
COMPROMISE
James Madison, FATHER of the Constitution, wrote in Federalist #10, about the DANGERS OF FACTIONALISM and how it would erode our system through lack of compromise.
You need to read the very next story about SS. The Republicans propose a compromise - raising the age for SS.
A Republican budget plan released Wednesday included one of the most obvious, low-hanging ideas for shoring up Social Security: Raising the eligibility age for benefits from 67 to 69.
....
The White House immediately blasted the proposal for trying to raise the retirement age and reiterated the promise Biden made at the State of the Union address to block any proposed cuts to Social Security.
Other Democrats pounced, and left‐leaning media jumped aboard the messaging train.
Who is not compromising??
The Donkeys and their media sycophants.
You need to read the very next story about SS. The Republicans propose a compromise – raising the age for SS.
SS has a dedicated tax that gets capped at a certain income level. Remove the cap. Problem solved.
Sorry, the budget problems with SS are a lot bigger than anything that could be addressed with either a small adjustment to the retirement age or raising/eliminating the income cap on payroll taxes.
Not really. Removing the income cap, applying it both earned and unearned income, and raising the age to 70 over the next 5 years would get almost all the way to balance. And as the Baby Boomers stop collecting, it will create a slight surplus. But that will never happen because the R wingnuts would scream about "new taxes" (you know, subjecting rich people to the same taxes as the middle class) and the D wingnuts would scream about pushing Grandma out onto the street.
No reasonable or easy solution can survive the assholes at the fringes using anything they can find to pick a fight.
Fringes? You mean like all network news, CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo, LA Times, and every other extreme left wing democrat media outlet?
Yeah, I saw in the other thread where you said what your expected SS benefit would be. (Thanks for sharing!) Trust me, “the rich” pay way fucking more than you do.
You’re low budget and resentful, Nelson. Sucks to be you.
lol, and you prove yourself to be a misogynist to boot. Classic.
What did I say about Marge the Adulteress Slut that is misogynistic or inaccurate?
Let me help you...
Nothing.
Will someone please rid us of this meddlesome bitch?
Nah. She's a braying ass, but she's harmless unless you're a reasonable Republican. Just point at her and laugh until she goes away.
Opportunistic camera whore makes impotent virtue signal gesture.